/5eg/ Fifth Edition General

>>47265552
My biggest rule mistake that I can think of is my misuse of twin spell. Apparently you can't target the same person with two casts of firebolt or any other single target spell with the twin spell metamagic. I feel dumb for misreading it for so long.

I had a DM who is much more used to 3.5 than 5e, who had, in one turn, an NPC cleric cast Animate Dead from a hidden location on a dragon just slain by the party. When it was pointed out that Animate Dead has a range of 10 feet and takes a minute to cast and can't target dragon corpses, the response was, "It's OK, he has a gem." Which is such a non-sequitur I'm thinking of using it in my own games.

Are there any germanspeakers in here? Me and my group are close to the end of Rise of Tiamat and planning on running OotA next. One of our players just left because of having not enough time so we are looking for a replacement. We normally play on Sundays between 7 and 10pm Berlin time.

>>47265622
I missed that too. I think we have good company in that.

>>47265552
>I designed all my NPCs like this.
Designing NPCs like player characters is a bad idea anyway.

>>47265552
The only weird I saw players do:
>Rerolls 1s and 2s not only on GWF but on hex, smite and similar
I also did that
>Martial arts AND FoB
Took me 10 minutes to make the guy understand there was only one bonus action in the game
>Spellcasting focus, free hand and somatic only spells
Took me a lot to make people understand this
>Hand crossbows and shields
I did this at first till errata fucked me over

As for GMs
>Thinks monsters have hide on plain sight, all of them
>Thinking if a monster have several actions he can do ALL in his turn
>Thinking adding +10 to damage, AC, hit, etc to a monster still doens't increase its difficulty
>Long etc
Couldn't convince them (yeah, them, 3 GMs who refused each one of them on rereadin the PHB, DMG, MM or even read what I was showing them at the moment) otherwise so I ended leaving the game because having a TPK per session wasn't funny

>>47265622
>never properly read twin spell
>allow my sorcerer player to twin his fireball
It was funny, but it won't happen again

>>47265552

Spell slots. Spells they generally understand- and are ready to argue their applicability as I don't know them all by heart.

But spell slots? I've had only one player who never mucked them up, and she'd been playing since she was a youngling. The rest have had variety of issues, from not understanding how you get them back to what they even are.

>>47265552
Not necessarily a mess up as far as rules go, but when I ran my first campaign the DMG hadn't come out so I had no idea how the loot tables worked, and I just handed out gold and magic items willy-nilly.

>>47265675
>german
Just use English like everyone else.
T. not a burger or a bong

>>47265552
Brief rules dispute. I'm the DM and I had a villain on a balcony casting spells at the players below. The spellcaster player character casts thorn whip to pull the bad guy over the railing and make him take fall damage.
>That's cool, roll to hit.
He rolls 16, it hits. Guy takes 1d6 piercing damage and is pulled 10 ft.
>Because he's going over the edge of the railing, the bad guy can make a strength save to avoid falling by grabbing onto the edge.
Player disagrees, says the spell wraps him up in magic vines and he should be pulled over with no save.

I can see that his argument makes sense, RAW. The attack beat his AC, so he should get pulled. But I think that in any circumstance where some creatures is moved against their will over an edge where they might fall, they should get a save, either strength, dex, or con. If the player character was gusted or mind controlled or shoved or else forced to move off the edge into a instant death lava pit, they'd be pretty mad if they didn't get a save. The same should be true for npcs.

In this case the consequences were minor, since they beat the guy anyway, but in the future I want thorn whip and other push and pull abilities to be consistent.

What do you think about this ruling?

>>47266217
we're 5 friends from Germany, Austria and Switzerland, why would we ever do that?

>>47266249

Because English is the superior language.

>>47266227
NPCs don't have to be tied to the same rules as PCs though. The PC could easily say, "I make sure the vines wrap around his arms." And that could render the idea of a STR save moot. Personally, I think if the spell itself doesn't call for a save them it shouldn't need one.

>>47266227
Abilities with saving throws or attack rolls already have a failure chance built into them. Don't make it worse.

>From a forever DM

>>47266252
Now you're just being goofy

>>47266303

Maybe, but it's still true.

>>47266227
Honestly, I think your in the right for trying to rule that he could try to save. However, if the players want it to be done more by raw, then I'd advise doing as such. Just let them know that that path goes both ways.

>>47266227
>>47266294
To add onto what I said, you'll start making the players think creative stuff won't work if you add extra failure chances when they do something clever. Things get boring when players stop doing unexpected things.

>>47266319
>>47266322
>Just let them know that that path goes both ways.

That's where a lot of the fun of being a DM comes from. It's easy to shut down any bitching about how unfair something is when you're doing exactly what an ability says it does instead of making up anything.

>>47266227
You're in the right here. Players being crafty with their spells is great and all, but since pulling monsters off ledges is not intended use of the spell, they should get a chance to resist.

What's the best combat style for a Crown Oath Paladin? I was originally planning to go S&B with Shield Master, but one of my friends says that the Crown features better suit someone with Polearm Master & Sentinel.

>>47266756
>What's the best combat style for a Crown Oath Paladin?
Not being a crown paladin.

I think I made a mistake

I made a tough kobold guard a baby dragon, and the players have just taken the baby instead of giving it to the guy who gave them the quest. What do I do

>>47266794

baby dragon is probably hungry all the time and uncooperative. it wont grow up to be able to do anything as long as the pc's are alive and adventuring. they would have to tame it and feed it for months before it would be useful, and by then they would be so strong that it wouldn't help them any more than a regular familiar.

it can always run away, too.

>>47266600
>pulling monsters off ledges is not the intended use
>the intended use is pulling monsters
Why does it matter what elevation they're at? You've got more of a basis to say that you can't target a barrel and pull it since it's an object, not a creature, and the spell description doesn't mention objects.

>>47266294
This guy has it right. You might give an extra save-your-ass chance to a PC who thinks quick (grabbing a railing to avoid getting swept off a deck when the fucking lizardmen attack his boat) but monsters are made to get murdered and already had their chance. Does the creature even have an interesting feature that would let him use his reaction to grab something? Are you going to let every PC make Strength saves to avoid force movement if there's literally anything nearby to grab at some point during the move? If a Battlemaster starts using Pushing Attack, are enemies going to make extra Dex saves to bend over and dig their fingers into the dirt so they stop their slide after just five feet?

>>47266756
S&B is never best. You do that style because you think it's cool, not for optimization. Crown doesn't really have fighting style synergy other than champion's challenge being kind of ok with Sentinel. Polearms go well with Sentinel, and Polearm Master is a good feat.

>>47266816
To add to your second point: the law of averages eventually gets to the PCs anyway. Eventually the d20 does not smile on the PCs and it fucks them over. Don't make it worse on them by giving them more chances to fail. A PC by default has more chances at failure than any NPC because only the most extraordinary of NPCs would have to risk failure as much as an average PC.

>>47266816
>>47266294
>>47266227

Grasping vine is only 30' range. The balcony is less than 30' and the guy can only be pulled if he's directly above the vine. At most, it's going to do 2d6 damage, and maybe it would be fine to give the enemy a dex save to mitigate that. He can react because the vine doesn't grapple.

The balcony wasn't a massive positional advantage if he was close enough to get hit by a thrown weapon anyway.

If the caster isn't someone that can levitate or misty step to make the vine's effect negligible over more than one turn, is he even worth saving?

>>47266227
You're the GM so it's your call, just as long as the check doesn't negate any of the movement of the push/pull because that is straight-up 100% not okay.
The problem with situations like this is that you can swear on every book ever written and sign a contract with your own virgin blood that it's a rule now until the end of time and it will work the same way for any-one any-time they ever get put into the same situation but until it does actually happen again there's no difference between a one-time rule and a one-time asspull. But it does have the added benefit of letting you know just how much trust and respect your players have for you as a GM.

File: geddafugout.gif (5MB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

5MB, 320x240px

>>47266828
>S&B is never best
The two fighters and barbarian in my group grinding every enemy into the ground beneath their shields disagree. one of our fighters is essentially Captain Amnerica

>>47266885
Yeah and they could do it even better with 2 handed weapons. I didn't say S&B was bad.

>>47266911
>you could knock enemies down constantly better if you didn't have a bonus action to knock prone
What exactly is it that you think Shield Master does?

>>47266927
What do you think Trip Attack does? What if 1 of those character is S&B and the other is 2 handed fighter with GWM to take advantage of the constant prone? Your style is perfectly acceptable and works fine, but it's not the best.

>>47266816
Its intention is to pull monsters towards you, not instakill them by dropping them off a ledge. A saving throw is justified.

>>47266979

So paladin that can't use trip attack is completely fine to S&B, which is what I thought was the point anyway.

>>47266979
Not that anon, but S&B and GWM are equally as good fighting styles. The main difference is tankiness and potential advantage every turn vs full blown offense, even potentially at the cost of accuracy. GWM will always win in terms of damage, but the loss of AC and the sacrifice of accuracy to deal more damage Ultimately makes them a high risk for high reward fighter. S&B is much more safe and does it's job very effectively. Just my two cents on the matter.

>>47266979
Initiative order doesn't always put your GWMers after your KDers but before the enemies have a chance to stand. Burning reactions to delay is a potential loss of DPR, especially if we're talking a high Battlemaster party who could be making use of Riposte/Commander's Strike.

Dogpiling enemies with one basher and several GWMers works best against large solo creatures, but dogpiling always works on large solo creatures regardless of whether or not you've got KDers/grapplers and GWMers since that's how action economy works.

GWMers are best in a dense group of thick weaklings who can be cleaved through, but this bunches up the party and makes them vulnerable to AoEs. But before you even get there, you've got the enemies bunched up, which means THEY'RE vulnerable to AoEs (which your frontline may now be standing in the way of).

Supplying free advantage without resource limitation (superiority die) is fantastic. Neutering multiple enemies each round keeps the threat down even if enemies are eliminated at a slower pace due to lower damage. GWM hits aren't guaranteed (though it's a safer bet with advantage), however neither are knockdown attempts which give that advantage, so multiple chances to ensure an enemy is on their ass is valuable.

No one with GWM is making their heavy swings literally every attack regardless of an enemy's remaining HP, AC, and state of advantage.

If you want a damage-heavy party that does not regularly gain advantage through knockdown (especially if they can gain it through other means) you can always rely on Sharpshooters instead. Classes that utilize this with the Archery fighting style have much less risk in making their aimed shots without advantage, and it only takes one hit that would have been a miss to compensate for the slightly lower damage (no rerolling 1/2 and slightly smaller damage die, both things which could extremely theoretically never come up).

The DPR of a dead GWMer is zero.

>>47267038
The polearm master can do trip with one of his attacks, and he gains a bonus action attack. He can attack the same number of times as the S&B guy does, also tripping, and he has the option for a 3 attack turn if prone isn't necessary.

>>47267092
Yes I never said S&B was bad. Making a fighter longer by having more defenses is often countered by giving the enemies longer to survive to attack more. Unless your enemies already need a roll of 15 or so to hit you, the shield isn't necessarily making a big difference in the number of times you're being hit per combat.

>>47267170
Why are your potential 2 weapon fighting types providing advantage instead of your casters/token monk anyway? Best way to fight defensively is take all your enemies actions away. Kill, stun, paralyze, charm, blind, etc.

>>47267034
Thorn Whip has a range of 30 feet. The most it could drop an enemy is 25 fight, since you can't exactly hit an enemy who is on a ledge directly above you (there'd be a ledge giving him full cover) and an enemy who flies under their own power isn't made to fall if they are forced to move (only if they have zero movement or are knocked prone).

Falling is 1d6 per 10 feet fallen. Is an extra 2d6 going to instakill everything you fight, assuming this entire campaign takes place in a 25 foot tall gorge?

If you must give the enemy another roll, make it a Dex/Acrobatics save/check to avoid/reduce fall damage or the resulting prone; the thing your player wanted to happen (pulling the enemy off the ledge) happened, they just didn't get extra damage and a free knockdown out of it.

>>47266264
>>47266294
>>47266319
>>47266322
>>47266338
>>47266600
>>47266816
>>47266861
>>47266876
>>47266881
>>47267034
>>47267272

Thanks for the input. I'll roll with it for now that it will pull any creature and reasonably sized object 10 ft, as per the spell description. The player wants to have fun as a controlling mage so for unimportant badguys getting yanked off ledges is a nice cinematic way for them to be dispatched. This particular bad guy was just a mook so it's not a big deal that he get dunked off the ledge.

However I do think that the concept of applying saves to effects that don't explicitly call for it is valid. For example, a ledge with no railing might be no contest, while a ledge with battlements allows the target to try to brace themselves. Similarly, what if the target is hiding behind a wall with arrowslits or behind the bars of a cage? Something clearly stops their movement in this case, and calling a houserule I think is appropriate.

My main point is that environmental ledges can be a 2d6 fall damage, or a 20d6 instant death pit, depending on context, and I wonder how long until a PC is in the position where they could fall to their death on a single roll of the dice.

I did forget about the range, and in fact going back over from memory there were a lot of spell effects going off that I now realize were wrong. I'll have to have a copy of the characters spell sheets to double check things like ranges, especially if and when exact rules in question are being disputed.

File: shoving.png (25KB, 295x97px) Image search: [Google]

25KB, 295x97px

>>47267271
>substituting your Polearm Master bonus attack with a trip or shove
I'm not saying this is what you're suggesting, but it could be interpreted that way, and I don't think it's RAW or RAI. Making special melee attacks replaces one of the swings in your main Attack action, not a bonus action granted by TWF/Polearm Master/Martial Arts/Flurry of Blows. The prodigious tripping power Monks have therefore comes from Open Hand's prone/shove on any unarmed hit.

This wording is the same for grappling. It wouldn't make much sense if you could dual-wield to get another attack with your bonus action, then drop your sword to make a grappling attempt with your free hand, would it?

If you're suggesting the Polearm Master replaces one of his main Attack action swings with the special attack, and gets his "same number of attacks as the S&B guy" thanks to the bonus action swing, yes, but that's just a shitty d4. The damage disparity isn't huge (2d8 vs. 1d4+1d10), but it's there.

>>47267317

> I wonder how long until a PC is in the position where they could fall to their death on a single roll of the dice

exactly when you make the situation happen. there aren't many things that push a player more than 10'. then you have to have one of them in an are where there is a 200' deep hole. given how weak spells and abilities that push things are, i'm pretty sure throwing creatures into hazards is exactly the intention.

>>47267272
Yes, if he's aiming up as in that exact case, but in case a player's pulling a monster horizontally off a bridge or something, a save is more than reasonable. And so, for consistency's sake, would be pulling an opponent downwards.

>>47265552
not exactly a rule mistake buuuuut:
>Friend makes a Paladin focused on actually casting his spells on enemies
>only has 14 Wis
>complains that Paladins suck, can't do anything, and have terrible action economy

>>47265552
My DM ruled that all shots from a shortbow under 30 ft would be with disadvantage. I tried explaining that ranged attacks are only disadvantaged within 5ft or between the two range values given but they just said "I'm making a call!" and left it at that.

>>47267900
No wonder I was so bad at archery classes.

>>47265793
>Thinks monsters have hide on plain sight, all of them
Did he also let them do this as a fee action?
>Thinking if a monster have several actions he can do ALL in his turn
Oh god why
>Thinking adding +10 to damage, AC, hit, etc to a monster still doens't increase its difficulty
WHAT. WHAT. WHAAAAT????
>Long etc
wat

>>47267822
Why would he pump wis? He's not a cleric

>>47267900
That DM is a shitbag unless he has the same rules for spells

>>47267922
>Why would he pump wis? He's not a cleric
because he was focusing on casting, casting spells on enemies, spells with save dc's, not just properly walking up to enemies and fisting the evil right out of them

>>47267900
80ft* sorry wrong value

>>47267953
Paladin spells are charisma based, so they use CHR bonus for the DCs

>>47265552
My first character started as a tanky fighter, but because of the campaign I decided to go Eldritch Knight at level 3. I think I casted Chromatic Orb over 20 times and never consumed the components like I was supposed to.

>>47267976
gah, whatever, you know what i mean, his casting stat.

>>47267900
Did you post this a few threads ago?

I remember a story like this inciting a thread derailment. Some dumb fuck supported the DM in question by suggesting that a stationary deer at 80ft away is easier to hit than a moving chipmunk at 30 because relative lateral displacement is inversely proportional to distance.

>implying it would be easier to shoot a running chipmunk at 80 feet than it would at 30 feet

>hurr, it would be easier to shoot a airplane than a plane taking off that's 30 feet away
>because the airborne plane is barely moving
>but the runway plane is moving so fast

>>47267900

>My DM ruled that all shots from a shortbow under 30 ft would be with disadvantage.

Somehow we've reached this point. Despite shooting within 30 ft was rewarded in 3.5, of all things.

>>47267988
>I think I casted Chromatic Orb over 20 times and never consumed the components like I was supposed to.
Material components aren't consumed unless it's stated otherwise.

File: archfey_Princess_Merin.jpg (9KB, 500x324px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 500x324px

>>47268024
Yeah I remember that haha. I'm also the guy who keeps posting about his Fey patron being a tumblr fanfic writer using his PC as her 'donut steele' character.

>>47268035
You are thinking of focuses. Materials are used up.

>>47268129
Disregard this I'm a retard. I just checked the book and they've removed the distinction between material components and focuses. Its all material components on a case by case basis now. Weird.

>>47268176
>>47268129
This is why reading the book is important.

>>47267317
You are going to want to make sure you keep everything internally consistent. If he gets an extra save after being yanked into a pit, players are going to want the same treatment every time they would fall into a pit trap or the like.

That being said, it dampens the impacts of dangerous environments if you do this. Once I had my players climbing a magic beanstalk thousands of feet high. There was an encounter up there where one of my PCs used Shatter on some enemies and the portion of the beanstalk they were on. I had all of the enemies there plummet to their deaths which made the pcs realize how dangerous the situation they were in was. They started trying ropes to each other and hammering pitons into the beanstalk, and making sure the few leaves they found for purchase were more stable, etc. The encounter vastly improved the amount of roleplaying and forethought the PCs put into their actions, and it made the game feel more "real" than the "videogame" safety you would have included.

TLDR; If you give your PCs actions more weight, they will respect your environment and NPCs that much more, since they understand the same dangerous things can happen to them.

>>47268129
The plural of focus is foci

What would happen if you tried to turn a bag of holding inside out?

>>47269441
This message brought to you by P.O.E.M. U., the professional organization of english majors (unemployable)

>>47269498
All the contents would be dumped out and the bag would look like a normal bag when turned inside out. It's not until you put a portable hole in a bag of holding that shit gets dicey.

>>47269501
You're actually proud of being ignorant? Literally nigger tier, anon.

>>47269935
I doubt it was even the same anon, waltzing into a thread just to correct someones spelling or grammar and providing nothing else is pretty high tier autism.

Can you use UA stuff in AL? I already have a group but I kind of want to try some of the weird UA stuff.

>>47269992
UA is not AL legal, but if it's just a home game then it's all up to DM approval.

File: Nobody ever expects.jpg (163KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

163KB, 1280x720px

>>47266756
>Not playing Oath of the Crown with Dueling fighting style
>Not playing Dex-paladin
>Not being pic related

>>47267516
How about substituting one the attacks you would have with extra attack so there's no interpretation to be made? Or is /tg/ now going to tell me level 5 is higher than most people play now? The polearm master bonus attack still triggers with the one regular attack. All the GWF/GWM stuff can be applied to the polearm master bonus attack.

>>47270085
Read the fucking post, that's exactly what he suggested.

>If you're suggesting the Polearm Master replaces one of his main Attack action swings with the special attack, and gets his "same number of attacks as the S&B guy" thanks to the bonus action swing, yes, but that's just a shitty d4. The damage disparity isn't huge (2d8 vs. 1d4+1d10), but it's there.

How much worse would a STR-based rogue be than a DEX one? I want to play a half-orc rogue.

>>47270317
A fucking huge amount. All of your important skills are under dex, you need a finesse weapon to sneak attack so no 2handers, and half-orcs are gay as fuck.

File: 1457888801250.jpg (44KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 600x600px

>>47270081

>using finesse weapons when you have heavy armor proficiency

>>47270317
How much Rogue do you want? Rogue / Barbarian using a Rapier with Strength is a legit strategy - expertise Athletics, Reckless Attack to easily Sneak Attack, etc. Plus, Orc works well with Barbarian.

Straight Rogue won't work well at all.

>>47270408

it's also thrown weapons, for which you can use strength

>>47270317
You do need a finesse weapon to sneak attack but to my knowledge, you don't need to actually apply your Dexterity to the damage/attack.

I would recommend keeping Dex high as a Rogue, however. If you don't mind the hit to your Dex-based skills or just don't plan on using them, there's probably a better class to use.

>>47270461
I'm cool with having highish dex too, it would just be a shame to let the +2 str go to waste.

>>47270408
>reckless attack to get sneak attack damage
Talk about rules lawyering.

>>47270576
>using advantage to gain sneak attack
>rules lawyering

I suppose you think using action surge to cast two spells in a round to be rules lawyering, too?

>>47270508
Personally, I like the concept. Just make sure your Dex and Str are high(ish). High Str for a Rogue can be wasted though, realistically; if you use weapons suited to sneak attacks, your Str won't be put to its best use. If you don't use finesse, though or only use finesse weapons for ambushes at the beginning of an encounter or whatever, you'll see a lot fewer sneak attacks and thus a lot less damage.

>>47270408 is right, though. Rapier stronk.

So, I'm pretty new to 5e, or rather, D&D as a whole. The last campaign I played (which ended up falling apart), I ended up pretty decent in combat but not much else. This time around, I want to try Rogue/Bard, since their skill kit seems like I could contribute more to the group this time around.

How do I live up to my background as a light-fingered con-artist and all-around charlatan, without being That One Rogue Player, or That Guy in general? I read so many cringe stories about rogues done wrong, going full klepto, and I was hoping for some solid advice for a newbie?

>>47270317
A str based rogue can work. The main thing is you still need dex for ac so your not dying in melee, and your ranged combat will be lackluster at best. Your best race for a build like this is mountain dwarf for massive str and con bonuses and medium armor proficiency. Pick up breastplate or half plate and get a14 dex and max out str. That's how I would do it at least.

>>47270647
No, because that's intended behaviour. EKs have access to spells after all. However, attacking with reckless abandon and aiming precisely don't go hand in hand.

>>47270923
If having access to something makes it "intended behavior", why is a barbrogue having reckless attack and sneak attack not "intended behavior"?

>>47270951

Obviously the foe is distracted by your recklessness.

>>47270982

>holy shit what is he doing the absolute madma-

>>47270951
Behaviour. If you're going to use a language, do it properly.

Anyway. Multclassing as a whole is an optional rule, and some class combinations are unexpected, resulting in synergy that wasn't intended. Feint maneuever is fair enough, since you can reasonably do that to find the weakness to exploit. Reckless attack is not.

>>47271179
Except it's totally intended.

http://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/12/17/reckless-barbarian-rogue/

>>47270861
Just do all that bad shit but don't do it in a way that hurts the party. No class is inherently dickish or harmful to team composition (no alignment either but that's another story), so just remember to swipe from and insult people that impede your party, not that other PC who may have scruples about how you do your thing, he'll come around.

DnD is at it's core a team game, no reason to dick over your team (hoarding loot and magic items, making background deals with BBEG) except to make drama that will most likely make everyone have a not fun time.

File: how to not be bad.png (272KB, 318x360px) Image search: [Google]

272KB, 318x360px

>>47271179

>not distracting your foe with an opening for attack while you subtly attack them at the same time

please come back when you can rpg

>>47270861
Always remember that "It's what my character would do" is shitty justification for fucking over the rest of the party. It's your job to justify why your con-artist isn't going to con the rest of the players, sort of thing.

>>47271194
Is this the guy who decided you can't use cunning action to dash as a rogue if you hit with a weapon in your offhand?

>>47271285
He's one of the game designers, so... yes. You only get one bonus action in a turn.

>>47271277
Isn't that how the MC from Jade Empire worked? He had a subtle hole in his guard that people would always be distracted trying to find, but he'd use their distraction to kill them..

>>47271277
That's called gaming the system. But using strength to hit with a rapier is retarded to begin with, so whatever. Guess the easiest way to fix this dilemma is to rule that you need to use dex to take advantage of sneak attack. I think I'll go with that.

File: 1458751280573.png (41KB, 334x181px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 334x181px

>>47271179
>>47271194
>>47271277
>>47271323

>>47270861
Pass note to the DM whenever you wanna be a thieving fuck and never try to steal things beyond your means. Go for small stuff always and whenever you get caught just pretend it was the first time.

>>47271285
Yes, because you only get one bonus action per turn. Off-hand attacks and Cunning Actions both require a bonus action.

>>47271323
Oh, so he's a retard. Carry on then.

>>47271357
Yes, that was the point. It's idiotic.

>>47271179
>>47271285

>mad when rules enable barb/rogue to reckless sneak attack
>mad when rules prevent rogue from taking more bonus actions than other classes

why not just play a different game if you don't like the rules

>>47271378

>I should be able to do as many things as I want

File: 5E Gem Warrior p1 small.png (2MB, 1042x1474px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1042x1474px

No homebrew general, so I'll just toss this up in here. Made some 5e SU stuff a while back, bringing it all up to a nicer visual quality in photoshop.

Not gonna post the old stuff, but if you want to see it, I keep a blog where I can just toss everything to keep it on one place: http://sharp-big.tumblr.com/

>>47271417
Oh it's no problem, I'll just modify the rules when the make zero sense. That's the advantage of being foreverDM.

>>47271437
No, but lack of consistency in the rules is bad. You don't need a bonus action to hit with a greataxe, even though you're using your offhand. Nocking an arrow and shooting a bow similarly doesn't require a bonus action. You always get a bonus from a shied which is -you guessed it- on your offhand. Thus, hitting with a dagger in your support hand shouldn't eat that bonus action either.

>>47271448
>>47271472
I don't have enough vomiting anime girls for this.
I'm not sure if anybody has.

>>47271508
You're really reaching there, compadre. Two-weapon fighting involves making an *extra* attack over the ones you can normally make. You're still making one attack with a great axe when using both hands, you still make only one attack with the bow when using two hands, and the shield is not being used for an attack, just for defense.

File: 1449827013444.jpg (274KB, 599x450px) Image search: [Google]

274KB, 599x450px

so what are some good monsters that fuck with an all magic party?

>>47271508
>You don't need a bonus action to hit with a greataxe, even though you're using your offhand. Nocking an arrow and shooting a bow similarly doesn't require a bonus action. You always get a bonus from a shied which is -you guessed it- on your offhand.

there's a clear difference in time, though. When you attack with a greataxe, shoot a bow or wear a shield you are using both of your hands at the same time. An off-hand attack is a second attack made *after* your original attack, and thus requires you to give up doing other things that you could be doing instead.

>>47271541
Yes, it's an extra attack that you take with the offhand. A two-handed weapon is a single attack that uses up both your hands.

Oh and you have to bring a shield up to meet an attack to get any use out of it.

>>47271558
Another party of Fighter Battlemaster Tavern Brawling Mage Slayers and something that can cast Silence.

>>47271558

anything with magic resistance. water elementals and darkmantles (whelm and engulf are STR only). rakshasas and helmed horrors. phase spiders also do massive damage if whatever they hit fails con, and they can walk up to whoever they want without much threat.

suppose anything that can disarm a caster of their focus would also be good. invisible creatures can steal components and interrupt concentration.

>>47271633
>>47271638

ah thanks!

>>47271593
Not after, simultaneously.

>girl joining group that's already been playing a few sessions
>she isn't on skype at the start time
>we wait
>20 minutes later she shows up
>her character isn't ready yet
>I mut the call to watch adventure time while I wait
>more than one and a half hours later they're all still helping her build her character

meh

Can you gentlemen suggest a simple, level 1, pre-made adventure? I'm just getting to DM a game, and I'd like to get my bearings before diving into my own campaign.

>>47271558

ninjas (shadow monk/assassins). silence, mobility, teleporting, stealth, sneak attacks

>>47271672

well that's just silly.

>>47271702

Lost Mines is really really good

>>47271633
>flashbangs through the doors / windows
>Silence field immediately follows
>every party member is bumrushed by an enemy that disarms their focus, knocks them to the ground, and puts them in a headlock
>the rest of combat is just a bunch of burly dwarves and half-orcs silently slamming the mages' faces into the ground until they die

>>47271723
>slamming the mages' faces into the ground
Fuck that, once the NPCs have removed their ability to fight back they should just drag them away somewhere.

>>47271742
>dragging mages out of the Silence aura
You knock them unconscious first so you have time to gag and slip on the anti-magic manacles.

>>47271777
You can gag them and manacle them whilst their conscious which is more "fun" for the players when they get dragged off bound, gagged and awake.

>>47271702
I second what this anon >>47271715 said. Lost mines is a great introductory adventure for players and dm's alike. Plus its pretty cool too.

>>47271558
Beholder, if theyre too high level that beholder lord.

>>47271715
It's not silly, it's how bonus actions work. Consider standard action and healing word, you can gather the divine energy and say the word while you beat a nigga. Bonus actions are commonly things that are so easy to perform you can accomplish them while doing some other task.

>>47265622
There's also a Sage Advice explaining how you can't twin spells with a variable number of targets like Scorching Ray

>>47270404
currently playing a fighter with
Str: 15
Dex: 16
Con: 13
int: 16
wis: 12
cha: 10

due to an incident involving a werewolf. now im sticking to rapier until i get that strength up. just because im decked in plate with a shield doesnt mean im gonna use a weapon i hit less with

Hey fuck niggas, no more UA? That was the only shit worth looking forward to beyond lengthy releases. Whats next? Journey to the Unicorn Valley by that faggot Chris Perkins? LOL j/k he seems p. cool, suck my cock

I use a rapier and wear plate armor. It works.
Nobody beats Lucky Ted and his Lucky re-rolls. They get trounced on, that's what happens.

>>47271948
Actual UA is once every month now. They put one out last month, this month was another DMs Guild spotlight. There will be a new one next month.

Probably a collection of feats if Mearls' Twitter is anything to go off of.

>>47271948
Policy right now seems to be highlighting popular/good content on the DMs guild.

They're getting shit on for it, so they'll probably change it.

File: woolie smug.png (221KB, 500x381px) Image search: [Google]

221KB, 500x381px

>>47272000
>Lucky Ted

File: charlotte.jpg (74KB, 478x1000px) Image search: [Google]

74KB, 478x1000px

>>47272000
There's nothing wrong with plate and a rapier.
SPLASH FRONT SPLASH FRONT SPLASH FRONT SPLASH FRONT SPLASH FRONT POWER GRADATION SPLASH FRONT SPLASH FRONT

>My brother wants to DM a game for his friends who haven't played tabletop before
>Asks to borrow my books
>Not the 5th Edition
>He's doing 3.5 because he likes big numbers and thinks that lack of skill ranks lessens customization options
>Bunch of other reasons too
Am I in the wrong for telling him that he should try 5E?

>>47272105
Give him a PDF of FATAL.

>>47272142
But that doesn't use figurines or battle-grid, so like 5E that is too unclear.

OH I read in this thread that UA was gone or something, musta been more misinformation from the literal worst thread on this board, nigger

>>47272173
>musta been more misinformation from the literal worst thread on this board
/pfg/?

Looking for some advice on a situation. My party's doing Cult of the Dragon Queen, and one of the other players is a Death Domain cleric, and has announced that he'll probably betray the party soon OOC- we're fine with it, really, it's just for fun.

But after a recent event- the murder of one of the dragon cultists in hiding while we're on a caravan with them- the player handed the DM a note, and I'm concerned about how far he's going to take the betrayal.

So I'm lining up my assets to estimate how it's going to go when the betrayal takes place. We'll be at the same level by then when it happens.

>me, Sorcerer w/ Draconic Ancestry, elephant
>him, Death Domain Cleric, might form some kind of alliance with the dragon cult for when he betrays us
>the bard, played by his IRL wife, has several hirelings, might side with him

Any input on this situation? Kicking him out isn't really an option and the story arc makes sense more or less, and it's all for fun's sake.

Wanting to do a planeshift Zandikar game for my friends who are magic nerds(gameists mainly, dont know too much about lore). Anyone hand me some resources other then the planeshift packet so I can run a better game? I know general lore but nothing in depth. Tips on how races interact and well anything that people have extrapolated through card art/flavortext.

>>47272105
5e is much better than 3.5 and is n character simpler for new people to learn. You are not in the wrong, your brother just needs a guiding hand to show him the error of his ways.

I want to do a city world type setting, and I'm debating about making rules for Ravnica, or doing an original setting.

On the one hand, Ravnica is great, and a lot of fun. On the other, I'd have a lot more freedom with an original setting, and wouldn't be shamelessly copying someone's work.

Can crossbows be fired more than once a turn?

>>47272283
Yes, if you have a free hand to load it.

>>47272277
*Much simpler*

I hate my phone sometimes XP

>>47272283
Yes, but only if you have some way to ignore their loading quality, or take the attack action more than once in a turn (action surge/haste)

Loading prevents you from firing it more than once when you take the attack action. Note that taking the attack action is different than making an attack.

When a level 20 fighter takes the attack action, they make 4 attacks. But if they have a crossbow with the loading quality (all of them I think), then they can only make one attack with it when they take the Attack Action. That same fighter can take the Action Surge feature to take a second attack action, and attack a second time.

Note: there is a crossbow master feat that lets you ignore the loading quality of these weapons.

>>47272283
>>47272317
Only if you have the crossbow expert feat. Otherwise you can only take one shot a turn. You do also need one hand available to reload but that's not a problem unless your using a hand crossbow.

File: choo chooooo.jpg (88KB, 700x467px) Image search: [Google]

88KB, 700x467px

What sort of enemies populate the mysterious desert train that never stops running?

>>47272376
Skeleton bandits that died long ago trying to rob the train. They died, and either their desire to get away with the treasures inside, or the train itself in desire for protection, are what is keeping them alive as undead.

Did we not get an UA yet this month?

File: latest[1].jpg (63KB, 673x527px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 673x527px

>>47272376
A giant lizard wielding a lance, a silver haired mastermind, and an OP monk/wizard named night, all working together.

File: 1444696155447.jpg (357KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

357KB, 1280x720px

>>47272317
>>47272364
Thanks for the help.

>>47272349
That is exactly what I was doing, because I haven't yet hit the point where I get additional attacks.

Glad to hear it's legal, though.

Also, I have another question. Is there anything preventing me from mounting a shortsword of dagger under a crossbow like pic related? If it's any help I'm rolling with a battlemaster who took smithing as his art of choice.

>>47271472
Fusion just seems objectively bad. You lose the second attack you would have gotten from your ally being a separate person, and whatever attack or ability they decide to do will probably use whatever stat came from the player that skill came from, giving no net-gain.

Going by these rules, two creatures of similar stats, like two even-level fighters, would gain absolutely nothing from fusion aside from going up a size category and a better second wind. Actually, it's just plain worse since they're now a bigger target.

The only legit use I can see from this is fusing with somebody with low HP as a way of escaping with them

>>47272527
http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/may-dungeon-masters-guild-review

>>47272278
If you go Ravnica there's always a chance someone won't like when the game trumps the setting, but with not!Ravnica you can just use and omit whatever you want from the original setting.

I've almost finished learning the rules. I went to my friends to ask them what setting they would prefer. Two didn't know. One said Time Travel and Dinosaurs. Any advice on building a dinosaur island setting, including cavemen?

>>47272554
The only limit is how much of a faggot your DM is.
Mine let me pay some smiths to stick a shortsword's blade on his shield so I could SHIELDSTAB.

>>47272554
You couldn't do it RAW, but as a DM I'd let you smith one in downtime, and retrain yourself to use it properly it after a week.

melee damage roll would probably be 1d4 piercing.

>>47272554
>Is there anything preventing me from mounting a shortsword of dagger under a crossbow like pic related?
It has precedent in D&D, but actual crossbows tend to have stirrup-style cocking, where you place your foot in a stirrup at the front and use that to keep it in place while you draw back the string.

Basically, ask your DM.

>>47272591
Oh, that kinda sucks

>>47272606
My DM might allow it.

Also I might have to try making myself an offensive shield at some point if I can get away with crossbow bayonets.

>>47272376
Not IN the train, but the train itself is constantly followed by stampeding Rust Monsters looking for a good meal

>>47272595
That's a good point.

Okay, what are some guilds that might exist in a worldwide fantasy city?

>>47272637
Hope I don't sound like a newfag, but what's RAW?

That said, finding a weeks worth of downtime might be an issue, unless I want to learn how to use it via trial and error in the field.

>>47272638
I'm well aware, but I figured I had nothing to lose by spitballing the idea.

Otherwise, thanks for the help.

>>47272726
Rules As Written (in the books)
There's also RAI (Rules As Intended--the spirit, not the letter of the rules)
and RAF (Rules As Fun--the only way to play the fucking game)

>>47272726
RAW is Rules as Written (the rule is clear)
RAI is Rules as Interpreted (the rule is vague, but here's some evidence outside the rules that suggests it should mean X).

When I suggested a week's worth of downtime, I basically meant you spend your long rests practicing a bit with it. Nothing strenuous.

>>47272597

this is a personal call but I think a journey-to-the-center-of-the-earth type of thing with underground jungles and lost civilizations etc is way more interesting than straight up time travel.

other than that I'd rip off Chrono Trigger.
>lizard people are the rulers, hunt/enslave humans, keep dinosaurs as pets

>humans live in small tribal societies protected by shamans and warriors

>include at least one huge, invincible dinosaur that is stalking the party, design it so that they're supposed to run away but if they're really clever they can kill it for good somehow. Running into this thing should make your players afraid

>homebrew dinosaur shapes for druid and pets for ranger

>>47272801

also I think it works best with limited magic, druids and clerics based on primal deities but no wizards/sorcerers/warlocks

File: aghartha.jpg (81KB, 537x551px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 537x551px

>>47272801
>>47272597
If you ain't playing The Coming Race in fucking Aghartha, you're doing D&D wrong IMO.

>>47272689
You can base them off of services that any city needs in order to function properly, some of which will no doubt have parallels with the Ravnica guilds.
Law enforcement
Sanitation
Commerce and banking
Entertainment
Infrastructure
Emergency services
Electricity (or whatever keeps the lights on)
Government
Housing
Or you could go for more of a Jet Set Radio/The Warriors feel and have all the guilds be street gangs.

>>47272221
If it's all for fun sake don't sweat too much about getting betrayed. If you are meant to get stomped into the ground then there won't be much you can do cause the DM will just throw more stuff than you can handle.

The DM is probably making sure his betrayal only has a chance of success rather than a guarentee. To have otherwise would be showing favoritism.

In short, don't worry about it, if you start worrying and planning for it it is considered metagaming. That is unless the cleric is already acting shady in game.

>>47271715
>>47271863
Roger that, reading up. May be a bit too large for what I'm looking for, though. I have DM'd before. But that was in the 2e days, so I'm a little bit rusty, you see.

how many players do we need for Lost Mines anyway? I want to run it with my friends but there's only 3 of us so I'd have to double as GM and player. Are 3 characters enough?

>>47273360
You'd have to adjust the adventure or adjust the party's power level but yes, it could be enough.

>>47273360
You can always give players two characters.

>>47273423
Would a party of 3 people able to play smart enough to cope? Just be more tactical.

Speaking of which, what are some always good ideas/items to do/use in encounters or dungeon crawls?

What do you guys think about the UA Mystic?

I've finally found a solid group and the DM is letting us all do whatever homebrew shit we want (so long as he approves it) and I have the go ahead to be a psion.

I am not sure how I feel about it. I don't get extra attack or anything and most stuff is passive, plus psi points kinda suck and I can have like two not-cantrips at a time.

feels kinda bad

>>47273360
I managed to get my players through the first part with 2 players and a DMPC. I didn't even tweak the encounters, although the party was a bit lucky at times.

>>47273360
3 is just fine, my group is me and three players

2-4 is all you need

File: 352623645236237.gif (261KB, 540x383px) Image search: [Google]

261KB, 540x383px

>>47273832
>Always have at least one player more then what is needed
>Still barely manage to escape fights alive

>>47267991
>you know what i mean,
clearly not....

>>47273642
Yes, 3 players is doable, but they have to be crafty, sneaky or very lucky. The campaign is honestly hard at times.

Always sneak. Perception roll everything. Remember that retreat is always an option. Look for alternative routes and methods indtead of running to combat. Use terrain to your advantage. Tactics, tactics, tactics.

File: 1462417056231.jpg (53KB, 500x294px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 500x294px

>>47273832
I'd say 4-5 is on the safe side. Sure, you can play with 3 but you'll probably need a complete understanding of all abilities, rules and maneuvers and use them them to their full powergayman extent. And roll decently.

>>47273796
>Psi Points kinda suck
are you for real

Anyhow, you have more than just two not-cantrips, there's Focus in all of your disciplines. One of those straight up gives you +1 AB and damage, and you can spend 5 psi to make that +3. You can burn 1-5 psi points to add +1d10 damage per psi. At level 5 you could add +5d10 to five attacks. You can also blow 5 psi to give yourself a second attack, which could also have +5d10 damage. At level 8, you're dealing +1d8 damage all the time if you're Immortal.
>2d6+18+1d8+5d10 * 2
>112 average damage
>can do this twice per long rest at 8
Not to mention that Mystics are FUNCTIONALLY IMMORTAL because both archetypes absolutely shit healing and half the disciplines contain get-out-of-damage-free reactions or bonus actions.

It's the ultimate generalist, reactionist class. It can do whatever you want to do short of AoE blasting, and careful discipline choices will leave you prepared for most situations without having to worry about your spell list. You can buff allies, buff yourself, heal both, and absolutely demolish kids in melee if you want. You don't need Extra Attack.

File: 1463178098624.jpg (115KB, 1024x1101px) Image search: [Google]

115KB, 1024x1101px

has anyone tried using a wounds chart in their games?

i want to make combat deadlier/riskier so that the focus is more on not fighting, ambushes, avoidance, defense, range, etc., and i also just like the idea of wounds and the possibility of losing limbs or an eye or something.

so yeah, has anyone done that?

i was thinking about halving hp gained after level 1 (ie a barbarian with 16 con gets 15 hp at level 1, and then instead of 10 more at 2 he gets 5 more), and saying if you take more than your con score in damage in a turn (from a single attack?) roll on a wounds table. which would be less deadly/debilitating than the dmg one for most numbers, but rolling high (or low???) would still be bad. and perhaps with some effects like bleeding, winded, stunned, sprained, broken limbs, disabled, etc. in addition to losing an eye or something. inspiration to avoid.

but idk. who has experience with this shit?

File: 1332353654764.gif (990KB, 400x225px) Image search: [Google]

990KB, 400x225px

>>47274342
>Our DM does this
>I'm a Druid
>At our level my Beast Form HP is twice what my actual HP is
>Take enough damage to activate Wound, but also knock me out of Beast Form
>For those that don't know, Beast Form is effectively Temporary HP, so when this happened I was dealt just enough damage to bring me back to my Full Health human form
>But also took a wound and got a crippling injury despite being at max HP

Hey Fa/tg/uys
Me and my friends have decided to play d&d for a bit of fun and I've decided to be DM.

Is there any tips you can give me to make sure it's a fun game for all and maybe some suggested reading material for ideas on quests or lore?

>>47274342
What an ugly sword, like the bastard child of a khopesh and a katana. Ugh.

>>47274169

+1d10 damage is only once a turn, I think.

>>47274594
The dex save instead of AC attack is once per turn since it costs a bonus action now but the damage boost wasn't limited like that.

>>47274169
>>47274594

actually nvm I'm thinking of something else.

>>47274522
its the edgiest art ever
>world war 2(?) uniform
>khopesh/katana aka not-katana
>blood feathers
>asian girl wearing makeup but shes totally slashed up
>demon head
>shadow looks like an angel kind of
but also idk i dont have any good "wounds" themed art
>>47274457
so thats one vote for not liking it.... or do you like it but that instance was bs? i think in that scenario i'd let you go without the wound since you didnt really take enough damage to wound you once you turned back into a beast. but maybe it should be if you lose a limb (or whatever) in beast form you lose it in human form too. hmm

>>47274651
Gonna post it anyway because it's great.
>Lethal Strike (1–5): When you hit a target with a melee weapon attack, you can increase the damage to that target. The target takes an extra 1d10 psychic damage for each psi point you spend.
Thank god they capped powers with both psi points spendable per level AND by discipline. Used to be limited to just your manifesting class level.

File: image.jpg (113KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

113KB, 600x600px

>>47271448
>>47271472
>>47271521
A good Yume Nikki should do it.

>>47265793
is your DM chris
cause all that sounds like my current DM.
all that and muuuch muuuuch more.

>>47274692
seriously? Its Blood: the last vampire. in the vietnam war

I'm whipping together a Gunmage class, specifically as a Sorcerous Origin. I've heard that Eldritch Knight makes a great gunmage already, but I wanted to see what I could come up with.

My question to you: If playing a Sorcerer, would you prefer to get Combat Superiority as a feature at level 6, or to get an Extra Attack?

>>47274967
Are you serious?

If you are then you should never ever even consider giving combat superiority to a caster class

>>47275008
But I hope you're not serious because it's a terrible idea to begin with

>>47274934
o sorry idk what that is but i'll look it up

>>47275008
>>47275023
Alright. I won't. How about letting them use their bonded firearm's attack/damage bonuses (if any) and range for spells that use an attack roll?

>>47274342
I've dealt with wounds before, I was in a party and our ranger got his shit kicked in by an animated tree. It wasn't meant to be a deadly encounter so the DM had him roll on the injury table on page 272 in the DMG and he ended up losing his eye. That meant disadvantage on ranged attacks permanently. The ranger was pretty much garbage at that point, missing almost every shot. If the player didn't have to leave I'm fairly sure he would have been killed in game.

All I'm saying is if you gotta roll on that board some times you might as well kill the character. If the barbarian looses a hand say goodbye to his Two-Handed Weapon. The rogue losing a leg has become garbage as well.

If I was playing with an injury board used so frequently I wouldn't put a lot of time into the character cause I know the first hit they could take could take an arm leg or eye out.

>>47275122
Permanent injuries are iffy, but semi-permanent ones are okay if you ask me. Something small like d/a on specific attribute checks or 10' mvt speed penalty until long rest or magical healing.

>>47274967
Combat superiority should stay as a martial bonus. It's assumed hat that stuff comes from not just being proficient with weapons but a master in the art of fighting. Go second attack. The College of Valor bard has the same thing.

>>47275180
Thanks anon. I needed that perspective. I'll post the result when finished.

>>47275156
I agree with him. A broken nose would definitely give disadvantage on charisma checks. A sprained ankle or joint disadvantage on Dex checks. An overstretched muscle or big bruise can be pretty distracting, and make casters roll concentration checks with disadvantage.

>>47275122
If you change retraining rules to match it's fine, same with letting them access the magical healing to fix it.

I thought the lost eye was just perception rolls in the DMG until you lose both.

>>47265664
what a coy little fuck

did you burst out laughing?

>>47275156
That's the DMG table in a nutshell. The problem is rolling 1-4 on the d20 table

>>47265793
Aren't you able to reroll the 1s and 2s on paladin smites? I thought that was one of the reasons paladin average damage was so damn high.

>>47275311
It's not weapon damage

>>47275311
Jeremy Crawford said no on Twitter. I gave my group's paladin an amulet that let him do it the way you said afterward and it hasn't unbalanced the game any.

File: 1331592604141.gif (2MB, 300x199px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 300x199px

>>47274342
>Roll low on that table
>Get a scar on my face causing disadvantage on charasma checks that aren't Intimidate
>Needs a 6th level spell to fix

Has anyone tried the plot points system?

I've been playing with the same group a long time and I'm thinking rotating DM could be fun.

>>47275274
I know, I've read it. But the point was that even the 'lose an eye' part should be turned into a temporary injury, because even a dead character is better than a crippled one.

>>47275380
I haven't done the rotating DM style, but I have done the "make a significant change to the campaign world" with my homebrew group.

No one's used their plot points in a while, though. They've been used for some pretty interesting things.

>>47275362
Scars aren't even that unattractive.

>>47274156
Could I get a sauce on this? It's pretty cute.

File: screen-shot-2015-09-28-at-9-06-09-pm.png (461KB, 807x563px) Image search: [Google]

461KB, 807x563px

>>47275423
that kind of depends on the type, location, and amount of scarring...

>>47275423
Depends on where. Say, if you have a little harry potter scrape on your forehead, that's kinda charming but if you have 3 streaks going down your brow and cheek from a run in with a monster, heads will turn and keeping eye contact is hard.

>>47275409
Could be changed to a head wound. If you have nothing to staunch it with then blood just keeps gushing over the eyes screwing up ranged attacks for a while

>>47275380
I used plot point. When we were getting back to our home town I used it to say that someone's rival is coming into town as we are. Sparked a few sessions of exciting fighting. It's fun when used right.

>>47271452
I pity those unfortunate souls who play your games. You are pissant and cry like a child when you don't get your way.

So, the Demiplane spell. What happens if you leave someone inside the demiplane? You leave, and the sorry dude is trapped there? The 1 hour duration means the demiplane will only lasts for hour right? So what happens when the demiplane spell ends? The trapped dude just phase out and reapear where he was? Does he vanish along he plane?

Is there a system for dueling? My players are in a city where nonmagical duels are fairly common and I'd like to have something that isn't just whittling down each other's hit points. So far my current idea is 99% normal combat, except:
>When your dueling opponent is hit, the balance of combat shifts in your favor. From a slight favor for one hit to extreme favor for two.
>Conversely, when your opponent hits you, the balance of the fight is pushed back towards their favor.
>When the fight is extremely in your favor, another successful attack defeats your opponent. It's possible you may get advantage for this attack.
>Crits count as if you got two hits in.

>>47275611
>When the spell ends, the door disappears, and any creatures or objects inside the demiplane remain trapped there, as the door also disappears from the other side.

The only way out of a demiplane that has been closed off is Plane Shift.

>>47271687
that's honestly your DM's fault for not being certain that one of their players is prepped.

>>47275660
Yeah, but does the plane disapears? It says it only lasts for 1 hour. I could use the demiplane as a vault to store all my stuff?

>>47275691
The plane doesn't disappear, otherwise you couldn't reconnect to it with castings (and also the spell would be useless). The creatures inside are trapped in that 30-by-30 room.

>>47275725
But why it says it lasts for an hour? It is the time that I could use the door at will before needing to re-cast it?

File: iaijutsu duels.pdf (1B, 486x500px)

1B, 486x500px

>>47275624
peep the iaijutsu rules from the oriental adventures book circa 3.0 or 3.5 (i forget which).

basically......... well i'll just post a page.

>>47275786
Casting the spell creates a door to a demiplane, be it a new one, one you've connected to before, or one that you know the nature and contents of.

The duration is for the doorway, not for the demiplane itself.

>>47275409
I still would rather adjust it as a DM to recover the wound at the end of that adventure (using a cleric or whatever), rather than a long rest.

>>47275801
Interesting! I'll consider stealing bits and pieces from this.

>>47275807
Ah. thanks. So I could use it to store all my stuff. Could I even live there? That's the ultimate adventuring lifestyle. I literaly would live "nowhere"!

>>47272376
Nobody. The train itself is sentient.

>>47275977
What if, it is not even a real train? But something else... entirely.

File: 277e33466f8f457b06dadb40dfd980f5.jpg (84KB, 736x952px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 736x952px

WOUNDS ANON AGAIN:

I dig that you guys want to protect pcs. This is the part I'm torn on.

YES it would be easier for your pc to become incapacitated somehow by the loss of a leg or something. But the point would be that you would want to adapt your fighting style to avoid taking damage and avoid getting into down and out fights unless you really had to.

Is that bad? should I just design better encounters instead of punishing players with wounds? Isnt hacking off limbs cool?

I'm not sure. I'm really torn about it. Obviously I would be very very upfront about it with my players (also I would tell them that all the encounters would be more deadly and tricky than usual, and my plan, wounds or no, is to design encounters kind of more like puzzles. Not with specific victory conditions, but with specific caveats which might change how things go.)

I was also thinking about letting PC's just PICK something on the wounds chart for enemies, or even just death perhaps, for mook enemies. Fast and furious in both directions.

I also wanted to make magic more dangerous, and perhaps even have different damage types have different effects (ie fire magic, while very damaging, would also light everything on fire, and be specific about the consequences of that. ie no casting fireball in buildings you wanted to walk out of without bringing the place down). Also I've said this here before but I love mundane equipment and wanted to throw lots of special weapons such as the shark tooth swords from PotA, or the hook spears or whatever from OotA.

I was hoping the constant danger faced by PCs, where you could lose an arm or a leg, would lead to more disarm attempts, more shoves, more grapples, more trying to blind enemies, more fog clouds. Stuff like that. Maybe its just that my party rarely does that (though I'm a PC in our current campaign and we just fucked up a high ranking cult leader by throwing a bag over his head and grappling and disarming him and beating him to death).

(1/2)

File: 1447976156195.jpg (128KB, 1000x800px) Image search: [Google]

128KB, 1000x800px

Does anyone have the Lovecraft Homebrew pdf?

>>47276030
Dude, we use those healing and injuries from the dungeon master guide.
Our combats are brutal and we are always broken or impaired.
It is glorious.

>>47271452
>>47275589
This.

Although I can see why barb rage + SA would be questionable.

And playing a strength rogue myself, I find myself questioning the use of strength with SA-capable finesse weapons. Kinda sucks that WotC didn't put more consideration into versatility for rogues. Like, a fighter can really just go strength or dex without needing to have a gimmick, feat, or multiclass to be viable.

Rolled 14, 10, 3, 8, 16, 19 = 70 (6d20)

>tiefling monk

File: 1454992024414.jpg (1MB, 1239x1701px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1239x1701px

>>47276030
(2/2)

A lot of the time though I'm worried this just adds unnecessary garbage to the game. I understand that. I've been laughed out of /5eg/ before (well, not literally, but I've definitely been given the uh.... textual stink eye).

I have a lot of other ideas and stuff too. I just... I don't know. I understand perhaps 5e isnt even the right game, but I really like 5e so I just want to make it into the right game for me. Not by doing anything needlessly complex (lol lets add talent trees and I'm going to homebrew tome of battle). I'm just thinking of adding the bare minimum rules to make players WANT to do other things besides just attack repeatedly, and sometimes move around or dodge.

Maybe thats bad I'm not sure. But I feel like wounds adds a certain element of risk/reward which gives PCs incentive to want to disable enemies before killing them, instead of trading blows for a few rounds. Is that crazy?

Also I would definitely make spells that can regrow limbs available to the PCs (for a hefty price....). Or like allow a warlock to take devils sight to compensate for his blindness. Or maybe let a paladin get a special limb from his god. Or let a player acquire a metal limb. Or someone to make a deal with a devil.......

But just so we're all clear, I do circle back and reel myself in constantly on this, because at a certain point one admirable thing about 5e is the simplicity with which it can handle a lot of complex scenarios. So idk... yeah... I'm conflicted about all of it.

>>47275977
Don't ask me silly questions, I won't play silly games...

File: 1448066303732.png (226KB, 620x670px) Image search: [Google]

226KB, 620x670px

>>47276098
>3

File: chosac-chop-chop.jpg (968KB, 1690x1083px) Image search: [Google]

968KB, 1690x1083px

>>47276083
this is good to hear

>>47276109
>additional combat options
>massive damage
>lingering injuries
DMG has a lot of good shit

Where can I find a list of all the non-magical weapons in 5e? I mean all the stuff like the hook spear and repeating crossbow from OotA and all the weapons from the DMG. Does such a compendium exist?

>>47276030
>But the point would be that you would want to adapt your fighting style to avoid taking damage and avoid getting into down and out fights unless you really had to.

Deliberately encouraging Abused Gamer Syndrome? I can't see anything that could possibly go wrong with this plan.

What reason might a good church exist around an evil god besides them being tricked or secretly evil.

I'm kind of trying to put together a church that is straight up good but who knowingly and openly focus on this evil god, fully aware that the guy is a king sized bag of diseased dicks.

I'm not going the 90's action hero angle, these guys are not edgy evil so they can fight evil guys. I'm actually picturing something more along the lines of they worship this god to appease him because he's notoriously fickle and could sack a continent if he wasn't getting his "dues", though I think in most D&D cosmologies this church would still be evil because they're empowering an evil god.

Alternatively they could be strange good aligned Ur priests who, through their constant rituals, siphon off just enough divine energy from this evil but sleeping/weakened god to keep him from waking up/regaining his strength

I'm not really attached to any idea yet, the important part is that the church is genuinely good and have at least a good moral argument for what they're doing (even if said argument has holes in the super long run)

I'm not sure, this idea could just be stupid.

anyone know of a good 5e homebrow gish class?

bladesinger and eldritch knight aren't really exactly what I want, EKnight is too martial focused and bladesinger is too squishy/ magic focus.

I definitely want something with full casting and medium armor, like a cleric but for arcane magic instead of divine

>>47276467
That sounds like a valor bard to me.

Full but not quite wizard spell list
A handfull of spells from any source to really broaden your abilities
Okay hp
Medium armor, martial weapons, shields
2 attacks

Pretty solid middle of the road gish I feel

>>47276461
They worship the guy in order to draw attention to how ridiculously evil he is, so that they eventually draw the attention of a good god that can smite them and their god in a single blow. The Ur-Priest thing works too, they keep him too weak to affect the world by constantly siphoning his strength.

>>47276467
I think the class you are looking for is ranger. Medium armor plus spell casting. If I really want to get into being spell based just go magic initiate and get eldritch blast or some wisdom based damage cantrip. You have lots of utility good armor and offensive spell usage. Though most is focused around your bow.

>>47276412
>Abused Gamer Syndrome?
sorry what is this? I'm not familiar

>>47276461
maybe they also worship another god and found a way to channel an evil gods power, and use that to combat evil instead of tainting their gods power.

perhaps they worship a god of beauty and use his power for non combat, but they found a way to channel the god of war or whatever.

or they worship a god of harvest and use that day to day, but theres a special secret sect that uses the god of hellfire's powers to purge heretics or something.

you know, some duality.

>>47276729
https://bankuei.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/abused-gamer-syndrome/

See especially
>c. Safety-measure – avoid rolling the dice or otherwise engaging in the resolution mechanics as much as possible.

Rolled 6, 2, 1 + 3 = 12 (3d6 + 3)

>>47276098

>>47272534
>silver haired
He's -blue- turtle, you fuck.
good taste, though

>>47276803
Why can't I do 3d6 x6

>>47276825
Because 4chan's dice roller sucks. Can't even roll multiple die types (ie 1d20+1d4).

File: dungeon camp.jpg (260KB, 1280x531px) Image search: [Google]

260KB, 1280x531px

>>47276770
Eh, I'll mull over this more, but I don't think thats what I mean. I mean just to make "trading blows" more inherently risky.

I just want to add incentive for actions in combat other than "trading blows" beyond whats already in the game. But perhaps thats misguided and it would lead to AGS. I don't know if even after reading that I exactly get what AGS is trying to describe.

If you would, write more, because I would like to discuss it more. I guess my spin on it is that not everything should be solved through resolution mechanics (dice) anyway, or at least not necessarily as they pertain to combat, so I'm not sure if AGS is what more deadly combat would be encouraging so much as encouraging non combat resolutions to things.

But if I'm anything I'm fallible so I'm willing to be wrong.

>>47276933
My players already abuse shoves at all times. Building into your players to do anything they can to avoid risk is not a good place to put them, because it'll result in more boring games going forward. They'll be less creative and more risk-averse. Risk is half of the fun of these games, as we're playing larger than life characters and most characters get there by taking risk.

>>47265552
>Want to play DnD
>DM says gimme a couple of weeks to get ready
>three weeks go by and mothers day falls on game day so no game
>Next week two of our players cant show due to illness
>Finally get to play after a month
>Build characters for the two newbies and go
>Get a short intro with us getting hired to go on a ship and then we spend three days waiting for it to leave
>Spend hour on ship as captives because it was actually a slavers ship in disguise
>Spend that hour trying to escape room
>Escape room to immediate knockout gas that would require four dc 15 saves to pass
>Wake up in collars before ship is hit by storm
>only party survives

That's it. My god I feel so fucking blue balled. Fuck I have been looking forward to this game for over a month and this is all I get.

>>47277001
Get a better DM.

How do you feel a Moon Druid 8 / Life (or possibly Light) Cleric 8 would do?

>>47277141
Like never reaching level 5+

>>47277085
I like my DM but fuck was this disappointing. I just wish we could have at least one fucking combat or something so I could at least feel like a did something.

Just played my first game of 5e tonight
Either my DM was very lenient with allowing hide actions (I used it just about every turn since most places were dim light, or I had a creature larger than me to obscure me) or Sneak Attack is way too strong.
I'm an Arcane Trickster, so even when I couldn't hide, I could still Sneak Attack every other turn with True Strike. Sneak Attacking for 1d4+2d6+4 was insane in the game, one-shotting almost every enemy. I felt like I stole the spotlight in every combat by killing almost every enemy and didn't take damage the entire session. Is there anything I can do to not overrun the game? I intentionally didn't want to make a super powerful character.

>>47277289
Rogue damage scales linearly, every odd level, while other martials jump large amounts at once with extra attack, being able to use more smites, and so on. They can feel really strong early-on due to the extra damage dice all in one hit but fall behind in the mid-game.

In other words, it's fine.

>>47277289

What level was everyone? That being said, that's pretty much the Rogue's job: The deal shit loads of damage when they hit.

>>47276933
If you want your players to be inventive, heaping extra risk on them I doubt is going to push them in the direction you hope. The idea of abused gamers is that if players are used to a DM style in which no safety nets are present for their characters, they will gravitate towards a playstyle that minimizes risk almost to the extent of paranoia and definitely to the extent of dull games in which everyone and everything is assumed to be a potential grisly fate for their character and conflict (or even the potential of conflict) is never worth it.

If I can offer an alternative hypothesis, is your problem not simply one of balance? If the players are winning simply by charging in and full attacking, then that suggests that the combats are probably underbalanced, both in terms of raw power (as characters should have to use some of their more complex abilities in order to win) as well as in encounter/monster design that encourages strategic play. Have you tried simply punishing the players more in HP or other resources for always picking the direct attack route? For instance, perhaps a monster could have a powerful reaction attack, and so can only be safely unloaded on once the wizard has magically stunned it, or simply a bunch of goblin archers too numerous to wade through, but positioned to be easily susceptible to a Fog Cloud or whatever. Maybe the party are playing sewer pest control and are being paid for each giant rat tail, but once they kill half the group, the rest flee into the darkness and the party lose half the payment unless they can slow or grapple them before they escape. If they aren't catching on, take a cue from videogames and have an NPC show off the "right" strategy on the first encounter for them to copy.

(If the players AREN'T winning and are still doing it, that suggests either a lack of rules understanding, or some kind of deep-seated confusion in the group about what motivates the players and what kind of game they want to play)

>>47277318
Is this why monks feel a bit strong at early levels? Being able to make those extra attacks as a bonus action.

Played a one-off as a monk before and was one shotting most enemies. And now my DM hates monks... he thinks their too good lel. Which is not an opinion I had ever seen anywhere else. I think he's just bad at balancing encounters.

>>47277141
It would probably be alright, but enjoy not having level 5 spells. Plus no matter what your character will die or the DM/party leaves at around level 5.

>>47277399
>Plus no matter what your character will die or the DM/party leaves at around level 5.

It sucks most of you guys don't get parties that last past level 5. My players are about to hit level 7.

>>47277289
Wait until level 5, don't worry you will be outshines by casters, and then later on Y Martials. Rogues dominate the early game but don't really have big power spikes like they do.

Any tips on coming up with ways to encourage the warlock to do more than just Eldritch Blast?

I know that's basically their thing. But I just want tips of helping them explore their other strengths.

File: 5e_PHB_Feats_Grappler.png (354KB, 474x484px) Image search: [Google]

354KB, 474x484px

>only worthwhile benefit is advantage on grapplees.
>only benefits classes that only get one attack per turn
>those classes are not likely to take grappler

So... how to fix this?

>>47277491
Don't fight in open spaces. Provide obstacles that give full cover

>>47277386

monks are pretty good but they quickly fall behind as damage dealers.

even at early levels monk damage isn't all that better though. you get an extra 1d4 each round but that's not all that much considering that you'll be dealing a 1d6 at most with your main attack. total damage is only slightly better than other martials.

you get flurry of blows at lv2, but ki points are really limited. it really isn't any more powerful than a barbarian's rage or an action surge.

>>47277001
When playing DnD, just put the players in the dungeon as fast as possible.
Game starts, DM says: "You guys are professional adventurers who have worked together and know and like each other so there's no need for intros. You find yourself at the foot of the cave of Forgotten Treasure or whatever. You remember that the king wanted you to loot it or some shit."
Grid mat out, wet erase markers drawing the walls of the first hallway, PC token placed in marching order, roll initiative.
That should be the first 60 seconds of the DnD game.
From there its combat rounds and skill checks and using spell slots and hit dice until you either kill the boss or die. Anything else is just futzing around with railroad narrative and you might as well be playing diceless freeform improv theatre.

>>47277507
>only benefits classes that only get one attack per turn

how so?

>>47266252
English is a huge mess, bad even in following its own rules and hellish pain in the ass to learn.

>>47277424
It does. I speak from experience I have only had two instances where my PC got above 5, one where XP wasn't divided among us and the other cause we almost party wiped and me and one other character got all the XP. We went from 6 to almost 8.

>>47277558
It's essentially useless to classes that get multi-attack because they can shove prone (grant themselves advantage until the enemy breaks the grapple (movement speed when grappled is 0 and to stand you need to have movement speed available)).

However a class that doesn't have extra attack would have to waste an entire turn ATTEMPTING a prone shove.

For example, my rogue grappler probably will need to take this feat because he isn't getting his sneak attacks in on his grappled targets most of the time.

>>47277430
Is that true? How are Rogues in the end-game?

>>47277327
We;re all level 3.
>>47277430
Then I suppose my role later in the game is more for trap disarming and OOC utility spells? I suppose that's fine

>>47277608
Slippery Mind- Adv. in Wisdom Saves which is fucking awesome.
Elusive- Attacks against you are never made with Adv. means nobody ever has a better chance to hit you.
Stroke of Luck- You get to decide that you rolled a nat 20, which can completely ruin someone's shit when used right.
Thief Archetype Theif's Reflexes- You get two turns when starting combat.
Assassin Archetype Death Strike- A con save against doubling the damage you deal on surprise. If you get to crit like you always do when you surprise someone, that's your damage, doubled because of crit, and then THAT is doubled. You do 4x the damage of your roll, and when sneak attack is 10d6 at level 20 that's 40d6 in one turn plus your weapon dice and modifiers.
Arcane Trickster Archetype Spell Thief- You negate and then steal a spell used on you and can use it for 8 hours.

All in all they get pretty damn good.

File: 5e_PHB_Feats_Tavern-Brawler.png (511KB, 569x367px) Image search: [Google]

511KB, 569x367px

>>47277507
Me again; I think I found a way to make the Grappler feat worthwhile for a single-attack class character.

>Take Grappler
>Take Tavern Brawler

Turn 1
>attack and bonus action grapple

Turn 2
>attack with advantage, and, using tavern brawler, bonus action grapple (to pin)
>target suffers disadvantages of being pinned (your allies get advantage to attack, he has disadvantage on dex saving throws)
>let his turn pass maintaining the pin

Turn 3
>end the pin (this is a free action, no cost whatsoever)
>attack with advantage, and, using tavern brawler, bonus action grapple (to pin)

repeat

>>47277679
Nah you still will have good damage just more than decent utility as well.

>>47277773
Just swap the feat out for advantage on grappling creatures the same size as you. It's strong, but can still be countered. Add in bonus attack unarmed strike on grappled target and that's more than enough.

>>47277802
Yeah, that actually sounds like a pretty good fix.

>>47277845
Make sure to say same size as you, that allows for teamwork with the Enlarge spell. Then you can be 10 feet tall John Cena wrestling bears with ease.

>>47277528
Yeah, this is what I've been trying to do. But they end up doing the same thing then as well. It's funny, they always complain about having two spell slots only, but they never use them.

And then when they do use their spell slots, they immediately want to take a rest.

Why.

>>47277887
Cause they know they will get their shit kicked in. If you wanna give them a stressful fight have something appear when they are trying to rest.

File: Drawfriend Warlock.png (247KB, 710x576px) Image search: [Google]

247KB, 710x576px

>>47276073
Bumping for this, I'm also interested.

>>47277580

But at least it doesn't sound like garbled ass.

>>47276521
I don't like the focus on "music magic" and that sort of thing. Otherwise yea it's pretty much what i'd like.

>>47276647
ranger is nature magic + is a half caster and also is pretty bow/dex focused, which is not what I want at all

I want a full class that is basically an Eldritch Knight, but d8 hit die and medium armor with full casting

>>47277679
Encourage one of your martials to take Martial Adept and get Commander's Strike (or if you have a Battlemaster Fighter, to pick that up).

They can spend one of their attacks to let you attack again. This attack doesn't occur on your turn so it's capable of proccing Sneak Attack. Two sneak attacks in a round, aw yeah.

>>47277997
>but d8 hit die and medium armor with full casting

So you want to be overpowered?

Take a look at the favoured soul sorc origin.

>>47278007
>d8 hit die and medium armor with full casting

is literally a cleric, ya dingus.

hell cleric domains give heavy armor and martial shit too.

i said in my original post that I wanted a cleric with arcane stuff instead of divine. Arcane domain cleric is closest to what I want but it's still a cleric

>>47278000

Sneak attack description says that it can occur once per turn. That means it refreshes every turn, so you can't use it on a reaction. If you miss all your attacks during your turn and couldn't sneak attack though, then it's fair game.

>>47278026

You said "like EK but more caster, like bladesinger but less squishy". Favoured soul fits the bill.

>i said in my original post that I wanted a cleric with arcane stuff instead of divine.

Favoured soul is a SORCEROUS ORIGIN, you tit.

>>47278059
Favored soul is a d6 with simple weapons

I just want

>d8 hit die
>medium armor
>martial weapons
>full casting
>arcane magic

all that is completely comparable to a cleric, a tempest/war cleric can have all that (with divine magic instead of arcane) and also get heavy armor.

So, I don't think there is anything unreasonable about any of that.

I think I might just homebrew it up myself, everyone in my game is using some sort of homebrew. I just don't want to make some bullshit op class

Evoker wizard who leaves home because his brother became a necro and dishonored the family and by the fucking old gods and the new hes gonna travel out and kill evil niggas and redeem the family need and maybe fall in love with a sentient sword or put a wand up his butt if elf

I haven't played since 3e and sure as shit not a ranger.

Can an unarmed and/or duel-wielding dagger ranger even work? I don't want to go ranged, but I also don't want to end up fucking useless.

Please help spoonfeed me with this character. I have until Friday.

>>47278132
ranger is pretty bad this time around.

hunter ranger is ok, but beastmaster is shite.

dual wielding sucks in 5e because you'll only ever have one bonus action, and as a ranger you'll probably want to use it for hunter's mark or some spell.

also like 60% of the ranger is built around the use of a bow. Probably should just play a different class, nobody has ever said "gee this party really needs a ranger!"

Starting a new campaign in about a week. Have any of you guys played a 'royal in rags' character before? I'm planning on playing a Fighter that is a nephew of the King. Cleared it with my DM, and I have some ideas of my own on how to play him, working closely together because I don't want it to become some special snowflake garbage that fucks with the campaign.

I do however want it to be something that comes up later in the game maybe, like much later. Anyone ever do this and have good/bad results? I like the idea but i'm not trying to ruin the game.

>>47278126
I feel like martial weapons and full spell casting really shouldn't mix. You had to spend quite some time learning how to use every weapon, and you had to spend quite some time getting a big understanding of magic.

I say don't hold yourself to trying to be good at everything, or you will only be ok with everything. The martials will hit harder with weapons and the casters will burst harder with spells. Yeah you will have versatility but it's nothing that the others couldn't do, and probably could do better.

>>47278132

unarmed? no. dual-wielding? yeah. kinda shit though. ranged is just so much better.

rangr

>>47271558
Intellect Devourers?

>>47278132
Ranger's the weakest class, but at least they're not 3e-monk level deadweight. Hunter's Mark + Dual Wield is a pretty decent combo.

File: Monk Punk.jpg (126KB, 549x800px) Image search: [Google]

126KB, 549x800px

>>47277529
Well, they also can add their dex mod to their unarmed strikes, so it stacks up a ton at early levels.

>>47278126

You're going to have to make concessions. Balance dictates that you can't have everything you want; it's either more spellcasting or more martial. Favoured soul is as in the middle as you can get.

If you pick elf or half-elf variant, you'll have

>medium armour
Check
>martial weapons (longsword)
Check
>full casting
Check
>Arcane magic
Check

The only thing you'll lack is d8 hit die. So bump more con or whine until your DM okays your overpowered homebrews.

Clerics are balanced(ish) by not having access to the blingiest arcane spells.

>>47278169
>>47278231

like i've said before, there is multiple precedents for martial weapons + full spellcasting

as for viability I really don't care if I'm not as good as the fighter in melee and not as good as the wiz at casting spells, the point is a balance and the versatility/utility that comes with.

A champion/battlemaster can't shield themselves with the Shield spell or halve elemental damage with Absorb Elements, and a Wizard can't do either while also wearing armor and holding a greatsword.

likewise I shouldn't be able to make four attacks in one go and I shouldn't be able to regain spells/cast spells for free and have a metric dickton of spells available to me

>>47278152
>hunter ranger is ok, but beastmaster is shite.
Health scaling, magical weapons, death saves and autonomous attacking and beastmaster is suddenly viable.

>>47278242
>all these things that the class doesn't have and it's suddenly ok

gee whiz

>>47278132
>>47278152
I've made a dual-wielding ranger and dual wielding is only bad for the other Martials. If you maintain concentration with hunter's mark you can do some damn good damage. Right now at level 5 my rotation is. HM as prep. Attack three times, two main hand attacks and one off hand attack. I'm going strength so I have longswords which are d8s. If I hit 3 times that's 3d8. I also have the Hunter Archetype ability Colossus slayer that adds a d8 on an injured enemy. Right now the damage is 4d8. Now since I have hunter's mark on and hit 3 times, that's a d6 per hit. The damage is now 4d8 + 3d6. My strength modifier is +4 so three hits is now +12. The total damage ending is 4d8 + 3d6 + 12. On average that is 30+ damage a turn at level 5 as long as I hit and maintain concentration.

This build also has a more optimal path. You can go Dex and get two rapiers, meaning better armor without stealth disadvantage, better initiative, and better skill checks. But you are gonna be accused of min/maxing for doing fireball damage per turn to one person.

>>47278251

They're reasonable fixes, anon. The alternative is to not play BM, your choice.

>>47278234

Favoured soul, bladelock, bladesinger, valour bard. Take your pick or go homebrew something and quit whining.

>>47278234
Well good luck finding a true neutral. I can't think of anything that is a perfect middle. I guess just homebrew and clear it with your DM.

>>47278152
>>47278187
>>47278221
Well, fuck. I wanted to go for an aggro, high-dex animalistic melee angle.

Maybe a monk? I'm still trying to read and re-learn everything.

>>47278264

>HM as prep
What did he mean by this?

>>47278299
If you want to have high Dex and be animalistic go Moon Druid. They are really really strong early and even out as everyone gains levels.

>>47278282
>>47278290
it's not a big deal, I'm just going to play an Eknight/Abj wizard multi-class. arcane ward is pretty cool flavor for a spell knight, like a magic shield bubble around me

>>47278299
>high-dex animalistic melee angle.

going totem barbarian might be what you want?

you could do that with a monk too

>>47278309
hunter's mark first then attack

>>47278322
>hunter's mark first then attack

Because you'll always be able to ambush your enemies, right?

>>47278299
Monks are fine, except the elements archetype, which is shit.

Open Hand is good for being punchy, Shadow is good for being sneaky with a side of anti-caster.

In the Sword Coast book, there's also Long Death and Sun Soul, both of which are fine.

Monks have a lot of tricks, but they need to manage their ki.

>>47278309
>>47278322
Yeah sorry I meant cast it before combat starts. I'd rather not waste an in combat bonus action to use hunter's Mark.

>>47278334
Nope, this is best case scenario. I have had fights where I've been surprised with the hunter and it's annoying but I just don't get that extra attack right off the bat.

>>47278362

Dual wielding a shit. You're always better off swinging a greatweapon, unless you're a rogue.

>>47278395
Yeah but if you are gonna go dual wielder ranger is the way to go.

>>47278405

Nah, just beg and whine until your DM lets you choose great weapon fighting style on your ranger.

File: 1447750108523.jpg (131KB, 528x528px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 528x528px

>>47278264
>Duel-wielding longswords.

You madman!

Has anyone run a victorian-era game?