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Double Irish With A Dutch Sandwich Edition
Forge Lord Duncan Sub-Edition
Previously on /hhg/ we saw a prime example of why you should thin your paints, the fear of how wolfy the 30k SWs was discussed along with the differences between the Ultramarines and Word Bearers, the Chaos Gods really need to stop obsessing over Jurassic Park, why the Lion took so long had to be explained, we gave advice to a newbie wanting to play a 30k style Killteam, Word Bearers are allergic to trumpets, Chris Wright filled in a plothole, we learned how Mastadons are deployed and more in the old thread >>47218830
Red Book Links:
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HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
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Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
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HH Rules:
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30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
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>>47241473

First for any anon going to Warhammer Fest planning on grabbing the new Excertus Imperialis red book?
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>>47241601

You'll get your scans when it arrives. Be patient.

Though given that there is an E-Copy of the Taghmata book now, it might not even be worth the time.
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Second for every Legion being special and interesting in its own way!
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>>47241473

Does Warhammer Fest mean this thread will actually be more then just dank memes, chicken dinners, Dorm/Peturabo shitflinging fights and rating Legion lists?
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>>47241710

No
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>>47241649
Except the Dark Angels and Imperial Fists, fuck those guys
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>>47241649
Fucking faggot. (Just kidding I love the legions forgive me senpai)
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>>47241649
99% of my heart and brain say yes, but the one percent that's biased against the Word Bears say no.
>>47241710
We haven't had chicken diners in a while, and it's a lot better that way. Otherwise we turn this into a world building and your dudes /hhg/.
>>47241965
Did you take your meds today?
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>>47241965
>Says Curzefag
> The Legion with the shittiest color scheme of all time
>Fucking bat wings everywhere
Just go Ultramarine Curzefag once you go Codex Astartes you never go back.
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>>47241965
IF shows that making a legion vinilla doesn't make it weak. Those wall niggers hold the line like bosses.
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>>47241965
>Except the Dark Angels
Mad are we?
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>>47242037
>wall niggers
Ohhh don't you mean Salamanders?
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>>47241965
How are the Dangles not unique?
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>>47242058
Those are flame monkeys
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>>47242010
yes

>>47242012
But I'm too shit at lying to be Alpha Legion.

>>47242058
No, Salamanders are fire niggers
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>>47242012
>>47242044
>>47242061
She's mad about the Lion one punching Curze, and takes her hate of yellow out on Dorn.
>>47242058
Since when were the Sallies big on walls, Anon?
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>>47242061
Not enough fucking bat wings like our lord and saviors the Night Lords
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>>47242098
Since Vulkan forged the Fiery Fire Walls of Flame on Caliente V
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>>47241965
>>47242037
Fist have the best primarch, first captin, and best successors without being Mary sue
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>>47242061
>MY LEGIONES ARTARTES RULE MEANS I'M A LITTLE BETTER WITH SWORDS!
Their legion-specific wargear is god tier, however. They get acid Heavy bolter that wound on 2+ and ignore power armour 50% of the time. My marines are stuck with AP6 HBolters that cause Pinning... a 1/6th of the time, and they tolerate dying a little better. Dunno, could give me power shovels?
>>47242098
It won't graffiti itself, you know?
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>>47242100
Angle wings everywhere though
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>>47242094
>But I'm too shit at lying to be Alpha Legion.
I would post a picture of the Codex Astartes and say read, but no such picture exist so take this picture of the Emperor and a Komodo Dragon instead.
>>47242146
>Fiery Fire Walls of Flame on Caliente V
Please tell me that's not the actual name.
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>>47242043
>even killed the mold in the basement

Thought that was loyalist WEs.
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>>47242100
Why do you hate bats so much though? Did bats rape your mother or something?
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>>47242165
>It won't graffiti itself, you know?
Isn't that more of a NL and SoH thing?
>>47242186
World Eaters don't have time to kill mold. Pale Nomads have the time and the rage to do so.
>>47242196
Not him but there's a bat in my house going on about how his parents are dead. I think he may be the hero we need and can breathe in space.
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>>47242010
>99% of my heart and brain say yes, but the one percent that's biased against the Word Bears say no.
Agreed.
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>>47242186
Nah, that's Sable Blind XIX and/or Pale Nomads level of killing.
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>>47242196
It was a reverse Batman scenario. Instead of me killing Bruce Wayne's parents Bruce Wayne and his parents killed me. With bats.
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>>47242224
>Isn't that more of a NL and SoH thing?
I thought it was a Salamander thing?
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>>47242243

Ashen Claws?
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>>47242233
I love how some 30k/40k art can make great album covers.
>>47242257
Now that's just batty.
>>47242282
Salamanders are big on burning and crafting than defacing. NLs and SoHs are gangsters so add it together.
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>>47242257
How did you lose to a six-year-old?
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>>47242165
> MyMastercraftedMeltaGunIsn'tAsHot as my mistake
>#SalamanderLivesMatter
>NeverForgetIsstvan
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>>47242314
I'd rather not talk about it. Apparently he rolled what some people call a "Nat 20"
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>>47242314
He lost to a six year old, and his parents with bats. The bats presumably had smaller bats to beat Anon with as they were being used to beat him with. It's like asking why does such heresy exist.
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>>47242318
>not #VulkanLivesMatter
You had one job!
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>>47242386
Just remember guys
>#HorusDidNothingWrong
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>>47242300
Them too.

Really anyone of XIX stock from Terra
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>>47242363
The worst thing of it all was when they said the Night Lords were the best legion.
Fucking Bats Man.
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I was thinking about my army list, 3000 pts of World Eaters with Angron. I had 2 Spartans in it, one for the 20 man blob and one for Angron, Surlak, and some Red Butcher buddies. But who wants to run 2 Spartans? Lame. So I'm gonna put Angron and the Butchers in a Kharybdis Assault Claw. I can see them screaming down from the sky turn 1... "GET READY TO ROCK, BITCHES!"
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>>47242417
>Horus
Magnus**
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>>47242421
What about the recruits they picked up from the other planets they came across with? I'm sure they showed them the ropes.
>>47242432
Curzefag was Bruce Wayne's mother?
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>>47242434
Anon I don't know how to react to that so I'll just leave you with this. Though it does remind me of the video of Boreale playing guitar and riding a drop pod too.
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>>47242452
That reminds me I need to get back to that little project in preparation for Inferno. I feel like we're going to need it.
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>>47242455
Now the whole bats thing makes sense... though it still shouldn't because bats are frigging adorable and shouldn't be used for intimidation at all.
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>>47242452
Don't you mean?
> Lorgar
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>>47242224
>>47242282
Legions applying graffiti to a wall
>Dark Angels
They'd hide the wall
>pre-heresy Emperor's Children
They paint art on it, with golden relief on it
>post-heresy Emperor's Children
The paint is half cocaine, half blood. They sniffed both and ran off to rape people, leaving the wall unpainted.
>Iron Warriors
Built a giant fortress around it, surrounded with trenche fields and razor wire. The original wall is actually a bomb.
>White Scars
They mounted the wall on a bike, and added a falcon perch to it.
>Space Wolves
Optimistic view: Knotwork patterns and viking runes telling the sagas of old.
Pessimistic view: Drew wolves on it
>Imperial Fists
Wall given a chapter of its own, with a Dedicated Fortress. Does better jokes than Dorn and it's closer to Terra than Guilliman.
>Night Lords
Covered in flayed skin. And raped. With bats.
>Blood Angels
Covered in art, all of it depicting Sanguinius.
>Iron Hands
Wall now made of Iron, because bricks are weak.
>World Eaters
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
>Ultramarines
Covered in obnoxious Guilliman quotes. The wall was the jewel of Ultramar, but the Word Bearers came and fucked it up.
>Death Guard
Paint was poison, bilis and such. The wall unsurprisingly decomposed, but not before Mortarion unadvertedly walked through it.
>Thousand Sons
The wall was used on a pact with the hidden powers so that there never was a wall in the first place.
>Sons of Horus
Space Graffiti
>Word Bearers
Took the UM wall, covered in heretical symbols and sacrificed it to the Dark Gods to initiate the Wallstorm.
>Salamanders
Graffitied it. The paint was promethium though.
>Raven Guard
After throwing all the Terrans in his legion and suffering heavy losses, Corax declares: "I can't infiltrate a wall, I shall nevermore use them!"
>Alpha Legion
The wall was a lie.
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>>47242455
I think I'd remember if I had a kid, or was some sort of billionaire, or got shot
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>>47242552
Now that's too cute for me.
>>47242568
>>47242568
>Wallstorm.
Lost it there.
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>>47242568
>Dark Angels
>Hide The Wall
Don't you mean hunt the wall down and make it repent for it's heresies?
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>>47242598
Warp funk, Curzefag. It's the answer to why most of life's problems exist. Except why Spaniards are OP.
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>>47242598
Well getting shot doesn't really have the best effect on your memeory
(And yes I spelled it memeory for the lolz)
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Can't wait to get my hands on some Ursarax, hurry the fuck up release them to the store FW my blueballs are big as it is and my Thanatar needs some punching and fighting buddies.
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Did the Death Guard have a nemesis legion, like how the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves?
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>>47242668
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>>47242784
IIRC Mort and Khan were rivals, don't know about their respective legions though.
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>>47242568
>Pessimistic view: Drew wolves on it with crayon
Fixed that for you.
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>>47242598
Btw where's my AngronxCurze rule 34? I can't go to sleep without a good murder fap
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>>47242784
>>47242834
If I remember correctly, the World Eaters and the Blood Angels had a rivalry over which legion was better at assault.
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>>47242860
what
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>>47242860
>literally being a faggot
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>>47242913
You know. They don't call him the Red Angel for nothing.
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>>47242784
Well, they depised the TS because they over-relied on witchery, instead of being strong themselves. They also were frequently compared to the IH for the title of most resilient legion.
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>>47242841
>>47242568

And this is why I still read these threads.
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>>47242568

So what legion would play Pink Floyd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U
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>>47242961
>>47242841
Thanks m8s.
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>>47242971
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>>47242860
>>47242913
Even Curzefag was stunned by the request. It must be a sign.
Where's the Angron x Landwhale you mentioned, though? :^)
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>>47242640
>WE ARE HUNTING HERETICAL WALLS THAT HAVE NO RELATION WITH THE DARK ANGELS
Silly anon, walls can't commit heresy if they lack a world to be built upon.
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>>47242971
>>47243005
This. All wall-related matters are Fists territory by default.

>>47243010
It's coming, I believe.
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>>47242764
>tfw hate AdMech and want to murder all AdMech players IRL
>tfw blow blood vessel every time some faglord posts a reaction image of a techpriest
>tfw that Scoria player
>tfw their models are so amazing you want to just make an AdMech army

y u do dis 2 me FW
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>>47243010
Coming soon anon here have this till then desu.
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>>47243130
Does this trigger your Admech ptsd anon?
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>>47243130
Guys, I found the World Eater.
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>>47243176
No anon the World Eater's love and treasure all of their Techpriests.
>inb4 I write my kharnxtechpriestess fanfiction
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>>47243317
I...I might want to read that, actually.
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think onslaught with a falchion and a typhon is overkill at 2500?
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>>47243496
Somebody get on that. We need it... for only scientific reasons of course.
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>>47243573
Unless that Force Org lets you take >25% as Lords of War, yes. You would get 625 pts of LoW at 2500, and a Falchion is 505.
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>>47243573
No just get a Warlord Titan and then we'll bring up overkill.
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>>47243496
She let out a binaric moan as she laid in Kharn's arms. "Ohhh Kharn that was fantastic you're the best lover I've ever had"
For once she can hear only the silence of them breathing,she notices the absence of the constant buzzing of the Nails and she knows that by being here she has brought Kharn peace. "I love you Kharn" ,she falls asleep next to him as her protector,her hero, watches over her.

More?
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>>47243619
its 25% PER lord of war, not total.

onslaught gives you 2 LoW slots. you can run 2 warhounds at 3k if you want.

at this point im torn between ether a falchion + typhon or a falchion + ferrus
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What points do you guys usually play your games at? How long do they usually take? And do you play at hobby shops or at home? I'm curious because I've never played higher than an 1850 point 40k game before.
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>>47242827
tiny spaniards
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>>47243744
No God please no. Theres already something like this and it's Squad Broken, all the fanfic anyone can stand.
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>>47243809
Anon surely you just mean?
>Love Can Bloom
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Speaking of World Eaters, Land Raider spam aside how do their lists typically look?

Curious, been warming up to them more as of late, quite like their characters in some cases too.
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>>47243980
If not using LR spam they'll be using deep strike units, like Dreadclaws. The list is made for one purpose: getting marines into assault, while also taking care of stuff like antitank (to blow up enemy transports) and distractions (to keep the enemy from blowing up your transports)
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>>47243980
I'm guessing because you've read Betrayer? That book made a lot of the WE characters interesting and made the legion seem cool too.
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>>47242764
Love it.
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>>47241473
How would Istvaan III have been different if it had been the Night Lords instead of the World Eaters
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>>47245533
>Horus is free to bomb the planet because there's no risk of friendly fire
>Loyal Night Lords couldn't endure the exterminatus
>Horus still delayed because Curze had an "episode" while on board the Vengeful Spirit. Casualties remain the same, victims of flayings instead of loyalist resistance
>Word of the betrayal still gets to Terra, because the Night Lords are proficient at running away.
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>>47245533
Thetraitors would run more, but wpild definetly be better at travking the RG.

Gorilla warfate 110%
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I still need to shave moldlines and sprue nubs, as well as add more Apothecary bits, but on a scale of fine to fuck you, how mad would you be if somebody used this as a Tartaros armor Primus Medicae?
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>>47245829
I mean, I wouldn't really mind, but it's the sort of non-WYSIWYG thing that makes people kind of uncomfortable. Why not use it as a Cataphractii one?
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>>47245829
Not mad at all, chain fists just need some more tubes and you have a perfect naerthicum+surgical saw.

Only wierd thing is the maximus style helmet, but Justaerin do that to.

No problem there.
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>>47245880
Ps:

Tartaros ,no.

Misread what you wrote.

After all this is cataphracti armour.
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>>47245829
>Tries to use motherfucking chainfist as a scalpel
>"Ok, careful now we-*vroom vroom* OH SHIT! Uhm, well, bolters have Instant Death, don't they?"
You could try to make it smaller, as the trick is done by getting a needle bigger than the chain bit.
The chan-scalpel always reminds me of this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vnwaxvRXp4
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>>47245862
>>47245880
The reason I wanted Tartaros is because I wanted to put him with a squad of Templar Brethren and he needs to keep up! I kept off the extra pauldrons on the back and gave him an mk4 head so he at least looked more tartaros. Do you think I should cut off all the cool strips too?
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>>47245533
>with smug satisfaction Curze declares exterminatus as a "vindication."
>Despite all the psychic suffering of the loyalists below, curze feels drawn to mortarion's flagship
>A vision of the life of death guard Footstool assails curze's mind
>Curze's illusion that he was truly tortured is shattered
>The pain of not actually truly suffering becomes unbearable
>Curze straightens
>what are a few pathetic nightmares compared to the life of footstool?
>His life a lie, his pain is nothing
>Curze stands
>He speaks for the first time with clarity with certainty
>with purpose
>"For the Emperor!"

Horus heresy crippled by curze and the night lords sacrifice. The vengeful spirit destroyed with all hands. Horus gains no last stand, nor a pathetic speech to his father, he is simply annihilated in space without even understanding why. Horus' co conspirators, those that escape the vengeance of Curze are hunted down like dogs. It is the 31st millenium. To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. The universe is a big place and, whatever happens, you will not be missed.
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>>47245908
How do you want to get through the armour?

Every naerthicum has a small saw, his is just bigger and even usable against tanks and blast doors.

I call that efficient.
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>>47245913
I'd try to get my hands on a regular artificer armour apothecary or some tartaros guy over ebay.

I like that cataphracti medicus.
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>>47245862
>>47245880
>>47245981
>>47246014
Alright, the people have spoken. I'll glue on the big ass pauldrons and have him be a cataphractii, maybe deep strike with combi plasma cataphractii to keep them alive. I'm keeping that MK4 face though, it's way better than the original one in my opinion.
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>>47245980
I'd rather have Konnie fuck up Erebus and Kor Phaeron.

Leave Super Dad alone.
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>>47246038
Good choice!


Stick him into stone gauntlet ,shield bearing termies :^)
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>>47246079
but they are irrelevant shit heels. Useful idiots of no real importance. Why would you even care about them?
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Do primus medicae have those apothecary headlights? I have a spare from my Grey Knight Terminators and was thinking of gluing it on
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>>47246105
Because they corrupted Lorgar and HE built the Heresy.
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>>47246120
Sounds good, why not?
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>>47246145
Either way it's too late, I got excited
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>>47246165
Nice!

I like it, definetly makes it easy to differentiate him from the rest of the squad.
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>>47246132
Why don't you hunt down the guy who corrupted kor phaeron? Oh hes probably ded.

Lorgar is small time. His sons even more so. Without horus nothing happens. And the word bearers eventually die like II and XI.
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>>47246191
Thats like saying the assassination ofnthe austro hungarian arch-duke did not start WWI.

Lorgar and especially Erebus brought corruption to tje LW.
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Cool. Thanks for the help with the primus medicae /tg/ I promise to shave mold lines and other bullshit in the morning.
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>>47246233
>Thats like saying the assassination ofnthe austro hungarian arch-duke did not start WWI.

No it isn't.

>Lorgar and especially Erebus brought corruption to tje LW.

So what. Horus is the problem. He is the uniter of the traitors, none of which would follow lorgar or anyone else. Chaos corruption is a weakness of character. Horus could of died loyal.
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>>47246120
So they can find ded guys in the dark maybe?

>>47246274
Looks good, I'm about to make a termi apo as well actually for my Death Guard.
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>>47246351
post pictures here so I can get ideas for next time. I'm pretty happy with how it came out because that was literally the first time I've taken an x-acto knife to a warhammer model like this. I'm usually just following orders (instructions)...
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>>47246286

I still think that if corrupting horus did not work, lorgar would still be able to unleash the heresy
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First news of the day, new SoH and WE Transfer Sheets incoming.
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>>47246926
>Red Scorpions transfers
>never discontinued even once
>gets a 30k quality updated sheet

Fuck you FW. I guarantee you one of the discontinued transfer sheets had way more customers and players than Red Scorpions, especially since most of them were featured in GW too.

And the fuck is this new WE sheet? Removing all the War Hound decals but putting in FIVE tiny ones? Why not just remove them altogether if you're just going to make it impossible to put War Hound decals on your army vehicles.
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>>47246629
How would he do that? Through the warrior lodges?
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>>47246926
>>47246963
Still no fucking reprint of the blood ravens.
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>>47246926
Also, DICE
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>>47246987

Before people go "muh Chessex", Chessex refuses to do recognizable shit like the BA winged blood drop symbols anymore. So you have to buy them from FW/GW/eBay now.
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300 Pounds if you have it.
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>>47247063
MUH DICK
the only thing i dont like about it is that i cant take it in my 3k hammer of olympia list without dropping my typhon
chinaman, we need you more than ever
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>>47247104

Z will probably have this up in a few days after the event.

I'm waiting for the Ursurax
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>>47247104
>we

Speak for yourself, poorfag.
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Space Wolf Transfers.
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>>47247279

Alternate Space Wolf transfers (WIP)
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>>47247286

Forgot fucking picture.
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>>47247295

And Thousand Sons.
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>>47242568
>>>47242224
>>>47242282
>>Death Guard
>Paint was poison, bilis and such. The wall unsurprisingly decomposed, but not before Mortarion unadvertedly walked through it.
>unadvertedly

TRIGGERED
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>>47247244
fuck you nigger
I'm trying to get through university and have a hobby at the same time, and unless I want an army solely comprised of the contents of BaC, Chinaman is the only way
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Acastus has been given a sizeable size-boost. No longer uses Plastic Components.
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>>47247347
it has a fucking missile launcher now? that is fuuuucked
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>>47247063
That's much less than i'd thought.
But where is the stormbird? I need to know how much i'll never afford it by.
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>>47247347

MUH DIK
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>>47247347
I want to hug it.
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>>47247365
It has always had a missile launcher.
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Moritats.
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>>47247630
Have they reused corax's head, just with some braids added?
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>>47247630
don't you mean the corgi king?
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>>47247347
That size boost was a shitty decision. It doesnt gel with a household anymore. It's bigger than a warhound, for fucks sake.
Shame, it's a great model design-wise, but I see no way to integrate that gracefully into my questoris cruasde.
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>>47247630
What's this?
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>>47247701

His Axe. He has both an Axe and a Sword.
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>>47247646

They're brothers, they should have similar faces.
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>>47247701
It's called an axe handle. I'm sure you heard of those before.
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>>47242827
I find it funny that the character that most easily comes to mind when one thinks "Spaniards" doesnt even pronounce his name correctly.
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>>47247749

Hey! Got a name for it, sweet.

Also, is that a lightning cannon?
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>>47247730
Nope, never heard of those. Doesn't sound very dangerous.

t. Argel.
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>>47247063
I have a sneaking suspicion that thing is going to be a bitch to model. I remember hearing that part of the reason it took so long to get it displayed at the shows and now released on the store is because figuring out how to mold, cast and then build the thing was hard even for the folks at FW.
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I need it
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>>47247749
So, is it a flyer, a FMC, or just a normal MC?
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>>47247683
>we titans now

When will SM get Knight sized dreadnoughts?
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>>47247893
That looks better than the current transport but again with the fucked up front.
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>>47246274
Great conversion man
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>>47247683
How does it compare to a Warhound?
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>>47247928

The Leviathan is close to Knight Sized.
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Just wanted to leave this here... Sorry please continue...
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>>47247945
It's not even close. It can at best give a Knight a BJ.
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>>47248011
>not 8 - 8 - 8
ONE. JOB.
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>>47247893
Still perplexed as to what that weapon is supposed to be given the options it has in the red book.
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>>47248048
He's a red daemon and Satan's a red guy.
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>>47248050
It looks a lot like the hellex plasma mortar
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>>47248050
Isnt that the plasma mortar Thanatar has?
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>>47247304
Mother fuckers, why did I spend my time making these
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>>47248063
Being extremely honest and the guy that posted picture from my last game of talisman HH on muh ipad. And really wanting to know and Learn about 40/30k please tell me without bully what 888 means? 8's are lucky in Chinese culture and 8 is also my birth date...

Thx. Sry for frog, but really don't know and would really like to.
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>>47248094
>>47248097

Graviton Imploder, see the Leviathan Dreadnought.
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>>47248094
>>47248097
Its probably a Graviton weapon - look at the small canisters protruding from it.
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>>47248104
>Sry for frog,
So why not just leave the damn thing off?
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>>47248094
>>47248097
Well, the thing can't take that as a weapon. What's extra confusing is that it's supposed to have 2x sponson weapons and one hull weapon, not two TL hull weapons and one turret weapon. I guess it's getting yet another rules re-write to match the new model...?
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>>47248104
8 is the holy number of Khorne. He's greatest Bloodthirster is worth 888 points in the tabletop game.
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>>47248050
We could be getting new rules with the model
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>>47248104
8 is the sacred number of Khorne, the chaos god Angron becomes dedicated to.

If you're wondering, Slaanesh is 6, Nurgle is 7, and Tzeentch is 9.
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>>47248109
>>47248110
Good catch.

>>47248119
Remember how we used to have Mechanicum Landraiders?
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>>47248127
>Slaanesh is 6
>Tzeentch is 9

How decadent, I wish to ship Slaanesh x Tzeentch
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>>47246977

Lorgar is a preacher first and formost who is quite capable of manipulation. So if the horus gambit failed, i think its within reasonable line of expectation that lorgar would start lots of cult activity on planets, while at the same time cast emps as nothing more then a tyrant, which is no hair better then warlords they destroyed. Combined with the freedom card, lorgar could very well draw several legions to his cause.
For instance, the HH book about RG mentions a planet where after compliance, the entire population was turned in to servitors because they arent pure. Knowledge of this would not sit very well with Corax.
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>>47248135
>Remember how we used to have Mechanicum Landraiders?
Yeah, and the rules for the new vehicle are still mostly the same as the old AdMech LR rules, but with some new options and guns. The actual model doesn't resemble those rules at all, though.

I mean, it's still a BS4 14/14/14 tank with 10 transport capacity, 4 HP, two sponson guns and a hull gun. Sound familiar?
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>>47248135
Did they get removed?
Pretty sure it's still a heavy support option
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>>47248127
I thought khrone was angrons boy, not the other way around? Wasn't his weapon angoras old axe?

Only
LEarned stuff off wikis and i listened to the betrayer audio book about 4 times. And also your guys' threads here...
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>>47248167
That's Khârn you're thinking of.
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>>47248167
You sir, are thinking of Kharn who is Angron's babysitter/2iC.
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>>47248165
It was renamed the Macrocarid Explorator and got a shitload of new options. The confusion has to do with the renders of the "Macrocarid Explorator" that they've shown not even remotely resembling the new rules or a Land Raider in general.

It's still kind of a gimmicky pick since it's not an assault vehicle, and if you want a transport for the purposes of... transporting things you may as well just use a Triaros since it's pretty much just as durable and almost half the cost.
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>>47248178
So desu ne
You gents are cool thx for the polite correction..
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>>47247595
Fuckin' sweet!
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>Dark Angels Legion Rules
>effectively +1 WS with Swords
>opponent gets +D3 VP if he has more units than you
Holy shit, DAngels got fucked. I'm kinda worried about my Thousand Sons now.
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Anyone know what this brobot on the left is? Sort of looks like a vorax but it has magazines for some sort of guns on its arms.
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>>47248289

Read their special Wargear and Rites.
The Legion is designed to push you as a player towards tricking out your dudes and going for specific formations.
It is *not* a Legion that rewards you for spamming hordes or going in without a plan.
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>>47248184
Ah, yeah, I've downloaded the mech red book now

Still, given it's a 14/14/14 4HP, and says in the description that a) no two are exactly alike, and b) many use land raiders for a base, it can still count. I just like the idea of land raiders as battle tanks.

It does match pretty well though, got two big doors and a hull turret (using a grav imploder, because seriously why would you keep a bolt cannon), but yeah it's missing the sponsons - though they're not TL lascannons, you could probably mount them on the round bits near the front I guess.

Actually, looking close, do I see Irradiation Engines at the front, between the tracks?
Hardly sponson-mounted, but you can replace lascannons with them. Not sure where their arcs of fire are meant to be though
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>>47248214
Fuck damn those are some sexy models. I hope new IA book will give access to those in 40k.
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>>47248342
>Actually, looking close, do I see Irradiation Engines at the front, between the tracks?
I think those are Phased Pulsar-Fusils, which does sort of match the rules.

I don't know why you'd want to run Lascannons on it though, the Krios Venator is a vastly better choice for anti-tank. The only niche this thing really has is as an armored platform for AP3 rape... and even then, the normal Krios already does that, too.
>>
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>>47248392
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>>47248397
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>>47248392

Fucking Death Guard with their shroud. Can't even turn it off for a photo shoot.
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>>47248392
>>47248397
>>47248407
FINALLY
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>>47248302
That's the plastic Castellan. They've got the plastic magos over, I'm guessing that's for IA14? I'm curious how much of any Taghmata is going to make it into 40k via IA.
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>>47248456
Indeed, no more tedious converting of legion specific melee weapons.
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>>47245980
And in remembrance of his deed instead of the Night Haunter the people now know him as...Bruce Wayne
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>>47248377
I was going by the Myrmidons

And yeah, Krios are definitely cheaper, though I do think a 200 point tank with 3 lascannons is pretty cool (and you can make them TL, add things to make it tougher, etc)
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>>47245980
never forget
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And yet still no Dorn. Been yellow is suffering.
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Someone's dumping WHFest pics in another thread.
>>47247297
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>>47248513
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>>47248528
It's a pain glove, Anon. Forge World wants to see how tough you are, and once they're pleased you'll get Dorn.
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>>47248528
Oh I'm sorry. Why don't you go cry while you put together all those special units of yours that have rules and models already.
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>>47248562

This is the 30k general. We can discuss the 30k developments in detail here without all the 40k, LOTR and Age of Sigmar shit.
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>>47248655
There are some HH pics in there that haven't been posted here. Cool yo tits.

Also
>LOTR
>shit
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I know it's 40k but at least now I can rest easy knowing Mastodons made it into 40k.
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>>47248589
>Tau
GET OUT GET OUT, NOOOOOW
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>>47248681
Don't worry anon he said they're ALL shit.
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>>47248736

Shit, someone noticed. I meant to post this in the warhammer fest thread.
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>>47248736
Take this.
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>>47248736
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>47248629
Yes, Templar Brethren, such an amazing unit.
Warders might be good too, if Mary-Suzerains weren't a thing.
since when did ultras specialise in close actions that would require a big ass shield like that anyway?

Also, sure is nice that those "models" are upgrade kits, not actual models.


>>47248724
I swear to god, those red scorpions have such a shit-ton of legion equipment
are they still thought to be loyal EC?
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>>47248766
>I swear to god, those red scorpions have such a shit-ton of legion equipment
>are they still thought to be loyal EC?
They have to be. Their chapter master is now a Leviathan Dreadnought. They have to be connected to a Legion of ye olden days otherwise they're doing some time travel fishing to get 30k goodies.
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>>47248766
Your own fault for playing traitorous Imperial Fists fighting against Ultramarines.
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>>47248766
>since when did ultras specialise in close actions that would require a big ass shield like that anyway?
Aggressive boarding actions.
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>>47248787
40k marines can already take leviathans, the rules are linked on the fw store page.
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>>47248629
>those special units of yours that have rules and models already

>no primarch
>no terminators

>2 upgrade kits
>no actual units
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>>47248736
>>47248754
>>47248755
>>47248758
IT'S TOO LATE! THE BEARVERSOR HAS BEEN SUMMONED!
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>>47248806
I know that.
>>47248815
Bearversor, what words of wisdom can you grace us with?
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>>47248802
Yeah, but that's hardly a Ultra speciality - they don't even have a particularly large fleet, even with their huge numbers
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>>47248846
Lel the novels Know No Fear and Betrayer say otherwise anon.
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>>47248826
GIVE ME MY OWN LEGION
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>>47248870
That is beyond my power, but I can give you the next best thing.
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>>47245981
He uses it to get to guys in wrecked Land Raiders.

"YOU ARE EXPERIENCING A CAR ACCIDENT"
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>>47248846
Fine, maybe they are a honour guard for a leader, where shields are useful for protecting said leader, like Perturabo & the Iron Circle, as well as Horus & Justerians with boarding shields.
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>>47248815
>>47248870
I can bearly stand this meme.
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>>47248902
Shitty football team? IN SPACE!!!???!
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>>47248902
THIS IS ACCEPTABLE
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>>47248931
More likely than you think.
>>47248933
Then I have done my good deed for the day.
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>>47248927
You're the reason why Vulkan wanted to die.
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>>47248787
>Their chapter master is now a Leviathan Dreadnought.
Wait, what? Culln has yet another form now?
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Dorn vs Alpharius.
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>>47249053
He got culled on the battlefield
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Emperor Sangy, looking really pissed off.

Also the Lion in the background.
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>>47249059
>Dorn sees some action
Finally.
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>>47249059
They end up both bro-in out and create green armored Marines.
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All the Coex stories in one convenient package.
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Yiffking doesn't look bad
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Apparently this was worth getting it's own release.
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Has anyone else noticed that just like in the cover to the Roboute Guilliman book, his eyes are just white with no Iris or Pupil?

Also, why do his Wolves have Warp stuff coming from their eyes?
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>>47249172
>The Either
What kind of shit title is that?
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>>47248815
I still want Beaversor too.
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>>47249191
They were a pair of twin captains, the Either and the Or.
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>>47249220
Ahhhh so the character names were just stupid. (I just find it weird to name a captain Either why can't they just stick to Ultramarine names like Titus?)
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>>47248902
>Chief Librarian Yogi Bear

I so want to field this chapter now. Just so I'll be able to use the phrase "Hey bubu, lets go pick some here-a-tic bask-ets! Vovovovoom!" before blasting away at some chaos spawns.
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>>47249278

Their real names are Tybalt Marr and Verulam Moy.
Twins who both served with the Sons of Horus and Captain'd different Chapters. Said to be so physically similar that they couldn't be told apart. Some chucklefucks gave them the nicknames 'the Either' and 'the Or' as a running joke that they'd seen either one or the other, but they couldn't tell which.

Moy died just before Horus fell to Chaos and it had a devastating effect on Marr's mental health. He later joins the traitors and picks up a specialism in hunting down loyalist splinters and shattered Legion bands.
He's like the anti-Meduson and a kind of badass. Unfortunately his rules aren't great; he has a sword with AP-, Rending and ID-on-a-6. Which makes him a wonky duellist, and a horrible infantry fighter.
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Bad news for Dorn and Alpharius Fans. FW said that after Magnus, the Lion is next, to tie in with the book after Prospero.
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>>47249059
You mean Omegon?
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>>47249297
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>>47249332
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A novel or a short story featuring Alivia Sureka when?

I miss her.
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>>47249332
So it's all but confirmed the next book will have the DA unique stuff?

My archaeotech boner can't get more rigid
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>>47249535
I bet it'll be about Imperium Secundus with the Bangels as well.
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>>47249546
Sounds cool!

I bet the Sanguinary Guard will deal untold amounts of whoop-ass
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>>47249466
That bunney-eared motherfucker better have Psychic Pilot.
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>>47249622
>Bunny Ears
Lel
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>>47249660
He's not as bad as Khorne Berzerkers, but the stripes kinda make him look like a rabbi.
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>>47249686
>A rabbi
Ha so silly goyim!!!
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>>47246191
>>47246286
>>47246629
>>47246977
>>47248150
Lorgar was merely sad about being (unjustly) humiliated in Monarchia, but it was Kor and Erebus the ones who fucked him up.
Horus would have never fallen to chaos, and the Imperium could have gotten insight of it from the Interex, but it was Erebus who fucked it up by stealing the anathame and wounding him on Davin.
As such, it's also Erebus' indirect fault that the IW got shitty orders and became treacherous, the same with Mortarion's I'm-loyal-to-Horus.
Without them, the galaxy wouldn't be so fucked up, the obnoxious Eldar would finally be dead, and the Tau would have been killed at their stone age.

Whenever you see WAACfags fielding lists with 3 Riptides or a shitload of Wraithshits, remember: That's Erebus' fault too.
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So I'm a cheap ass Jew with my money and go by rule of cool. Would it be a retarded idea to ally two Knight Gallants (I have the extra melee weapons and I'd buy the new Knight set) to ally into my melee oriented Imperial Fists to bring them up to 2500? It would be around 700 points and I'd prefer buying them instead of Forgeworld tanks. I just wanna melee...
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>>47249732
Why don't you just do dreadies with CCWs faggot?
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>>47249717
EREBUS WAS A GOOD MAN!!!
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>>47249761
Because that isn't a sexy superheavy with the D that blows up and kills people
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>>47247595
Muh diiiiiiiiiick!
If only he was something more than a suicide unit
>>47247683
Shit's huge. Why so?
>>47247630
>>47248528
Dorn has more facial hair than him. He should have a model, not now, but long ago.
>>47248911
Noice m8
>>47249059
>>47249338
It's a regular aloha marine btw.
>>47249332
:'(
>>47249783
To put it this way: Even fucking Nuceria would have been better for a homeworld than space vatican Colchis. Or space evangelists, whatever you may.
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>>47249813
Strength 10 also blows up and is quite killy too. But whatever it's your list and your units to use. I wish you good luck in your battles m8.
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>>47249824
I wonder who is a bigger troll: Eldrad or Erebus?
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>>47249858
Haha I have two CCW contemptors in my 1850 list. I really love them. But I want to expand to 2500 to play "real" 30k games without breaking my bank account.
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>>47249824
I mean, I'm as much of a DA fag as the next guy, but even I think FW should throw you guys a freakin' bone.

A couple characters and upgrade kits isn't enough for you guys. At least get the Lemean Termies and the primarchs out before Terra, FW. Cuz' that's the next time we'll be seeing them.

That being said, I hope the Lion gets the kick-people-in-the-balls rule Gabriel Seth has.
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>>47248918
>>47248798
>>47248802
>>47248846
>>47248866
The Ultras have tower shields because Rome in spess, but boarding actions are, along with sieges, THE Imperial Fist thing, as they alone had a bigger fleet than what the quarter of a million Ultras could field on their own (muh 500 worlds nonwithstanding).

Suezerains have no reason to be that good.

Yes, this allows them to out-shield the Imperial Fists (but why are shields an IF gimmick? Maybe stormshields at best. Give them a power fist unit! Even Reavers outfist the Fists!)
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>>47249913
They're just waiting to release Dorn with the new fortifications they're coming out with. A wall has to be part of his wargear.
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>>47249955
>A wall has to be part of his wargear
Don't you mean Wallgear?
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>>47242603
Only the brave carry the mark of Wallth.
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>>47249970
>Wallgear
>Master-Crafted Walls
Oh Emperor
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>>47249989
Well, he does make them reroll cover saves.
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>>47249989
Beware the Master-crafted Combi-Wall of Dorn!

The other half is also a wall.
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Lots of walls in this thread.
>Desire to siege intensifies
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>>47250037
The Imperial Fists all have WS5
The W is for Wall.
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>>47250037
>Blast Weapon
>Wherever the blast marker lands becomes a wall
My wall boner intensifies further.
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>>47249936
>Even Reavers outfist the Fists!
What, how so?
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>>47249824
>Shit's huge. Why so?
No idea. I guess FW still operatues under the assumption that bigger = better.
But it doesn't work for knights. Knights are already big, but not *that* big, and there's good reasons for that. In a knight household force this damn thing will stick out like a sore thumb.
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>>47249880
Well Eldrad actually tried to HELP big E, so...
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>>47250066
Ha silly heretic
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Well gee.
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>>47250037
Bitch please, Perturabo can make mobile walls by combining rhinos, Dorn can piss off.

>>47250066
Indeed brother.
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>>47250126
If you roll 1 on the Iron Warriors dice you have to decimate the unit.
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>>47250149
They're not D10s, silly.
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Rolled 10 (1d10)

>>47250175
The those dice aren't the best they could be, now are they?.
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>>47249546
If that's true, that will give ultras more stuff and mean we wont see any Scars until late 2017

Truly being vroom vroom is suffering.
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>>47248392
>>47248397
>>47248407

YYYYYYES
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>>47250103
The full unit of Reavers can be equipped with power fists and enhanced bolters. What Imperial Fist non-terminator unit can fully equip power fists?
"But muh solarite fist"
Oh, ONE special fist, nice.
>Templars
>Imperial Fist examplars
>Use swords
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>>47249317
Still a shit name
Like Slaughter, why do marines make up such terrible nicknames?
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>>47249053
This is his final form.
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>>47249717
Word.

Fuck Erebus and his smug face.
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>>47248103
Holy shit, when I saw that transfer sheet all I could think was "poor anon who spent all his time on those decals"

they're pretty much exactly the same as yours
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>>47250260
What nickname would you give them? No Aloha references plz.
>>47250265
He was proud to die, but not so hard to kill it seems. Well, not anymore.
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>>47250265
Needs more assault cannons.
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>>47249105
>Papa Sang has achieved CHIM
>Has realized the state of of BL and GW
>Seen the 7E Blood Angels codex
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Good evening fellow Horus heretics. What models have you worked on this week?
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>>47250265
He's probably become weaker now.
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>>47250282
His pride kept him alive it seems.
>>47250285
He's no Bangle. He can't get those.
>>47250319
We'll have to wait and see.
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>>47250252
As we talk about Reavers, I really like how flexible they are.

Tricking them out with chainaxes and/or volkite chargers is pretty expensive though.

Also, would you consider it ok to take a named dude like Maloghurst and say that he is a titally different guy and change allegiance?

As in, loyalist maloghurst represented by your own guy?

Thought I had read something about reskinning rules and dudes in a FW book and how they think about it.

>>47250265
okay, double ass-cannon is pretty amazing.

But that circle with spikes on the same arm looks chaos-y.

Furthermore is that an apothecarion insignia on one of his legs?

Ambulance leviathan?
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>>47250066
>He thinks he can corner the Dorner
Pic related
>>47249936
Unlike some legions IF don't shove there iconography everywhere, and just et the job done.
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>>47250282
at least he got a decent chassis
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>>47250318
Amazing, looks creeps as fuck.

Especially the wet effect.

Is he a sergeant?
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>>47250347
>But that circle with spikes on the same arm looks chaos-y.
I think it's maybe a sun. Chaos stars have eight points to them.
>Ambulance leviathan?
The Apothecary Dreadnought finally exists now.
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>>47250347
Redscorps all but worship their apothecaries so it makes some amount of sense
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>>47250360
What wet effect? Yes, he's the sergeant of my upcoming, already obsolete meltabomb vet squad.
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>>47250282
For the twins, how about call one Gemen and the other the Greek word for twin
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>>47250360
Best painted Night Lord that I've seen.
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>>47250367
>He rips your geneseed out with his mighty fist
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>>47250411
He doesn't need to, he just picks up the marines and places them into his medic bag.
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>>47250374
His brow looks as if he is reflecting a bit of light, did you use some sealant?

>>47250370
I remember the old chapter cretaion rules they created the scoprions with.

You could have all your sergeants be apothecaries and i also decided to go for stand by your brothers option of getting the abillity to use your bolter as a pistol (i.e. second hand weapon) as long you did not charge.

Amazing times with the imperial guard doctrines as well.

But luckily we have imperial militia and the Horus Heresy in general now!

THANKS Forgeworld.
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>>47250440
No, my old badab black wash has developed this anomaly where it looks like that when it dries. It works, I guess.
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>>47250472
Maybe the pigments clumped up at the bottom.

The result is rather nice.

I like "Stillborn son of Nostramo fresh from the uterus and out to flay you" vibe.
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>>47247712
whats behind the Lions head.

Theres Omegon hidden behind Alpharius which makes me think its something.
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>>47250525
He's actually a terran veteran though. Thanks for your kind words anyway.
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>>47250536
Think you could make this not a picture for ants?
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>>47250347

Reavers are neat but massively overrated IMO. They are very similar to Veterans except they don't get the Skills, and only have a handful of variants that are actually improvements.
If you aren't using them in extremely specific builds, you're probably better using Veterans.

Banestrike Bolters: Absolutely not. Objectively inferior to Sniper Veterans.
Volkite Chargers: Rule-of-cool and provides better Militia/Auxilia killing, even if Snipers are better Legion-killers. But prohibitively expensive.
Combi-Banes: Genuinely decent use for the unit. Load them for a Plasma drop on the turn you cannot charge owing to Outflank/Disembark/Deep Strike, and still have Banes for the rest of the fight.
Chainaxes- 1pt upgrades are never a bad thing. I wouldn't buy them except for the last 1-4pts you have after writing your 'real' list.
Jump Packs- Great stuff, and Reavers make objectively-superior Assault Marines who should now never, ever be used for the Sons.

Basically, if you want to use Reavers you should *always* get them at least one of the following, or else Veterans would be the better pick. Ideally combine 2 of them together:
> Combi-Spam
> Jump Packs
> 15-strong

Regarding a custom Maloghurst, people are generally going to be fine with it for casual games. Run with 'Orphans of Betrayal' if you really want to fluff it up.
For a tournament setting though, Maloghurst has a sticker that says he is always Traitor. Can still make your own, but probably stuck playing as traitors.
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>>47250539
Even more fitting then , I think the underground cave prison wasteland of eternal darknes and its native inhabitants are actually more scary than Nostramo.

Are your guys LOYAL by the way?
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>>47250580
I was surprised the didn't make Maloghurst a herald with a Banner of the Eye instead of a legion standard.
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>>47250634
Their current (post-Thramas) allegiances are unknown.
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>>47250580
Understandable on tournaments, but I stil like having the option like the casual I am.

Black Reaving is still amazing enough that I don't really need ol 'ghurst.

Mine normally are 15 strong, have jump packs and get on the table via outflanking to support my 20 man Despoiler squad.

Numerical superiority rocks.
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>>47250669
Good choice, being out for their own survival and staying outside the meat-grinder.
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>>47250678

> 20 Despoilers

Ma Heretic.
> Kill for the Living
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>>47250319
>>47250340
He'll be a pseudo-murderfang now.
>>47250347
>As we talk about Reavers, I really like how flexible they are.
I imagined them doing yoga while plays. Dammit Fulgrim, get out of my head!
>Also, would you consider it ok to take a named dude like Maloghurst and say that he is a titally different guy and change allegiance? As in, loyalist maloghurst represented by your own guy?
1000% yes, I want to be loyal yet still use Durak Rask without it having to be early crusade. The campaigns even say you could do stuff like traitor Ferrus vs loyal Fulgrim and the like. It's the spirit of "Your dudes".
>>47250347
>>47250367
>>47250370
>>47250411
>Ambulance leviathan?
The Red Scorpions did it. It finally exists now!
>>
>>47250347
>>47250721
Meant this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQSYo_pC-QA
but with the Flexible Reavers™.
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>>47250377
Ew nah. Either and Or is way more imaginative than calling the twins "Twins" in a different language, thanks. I bet your primarch is Raven Raven of the Raven guard.
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>>47250536
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>>47250580
>>47250678
Ps:

Thanks for the advive about combi bane.

Should be gnarly if used correctly.

I just believe they would fit ZM or victory is vengeanve perfectly as troops as thsy are some wierd mixture of tac and vet squads, which is also shown in having 5 more dudes than vets and 5 less than tacs as maximum number.
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>>47250751
It's actually not and sound ridiculous
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>>47250641
Well, Heralds didn't exist back then. They seriously should update him.
>>47250580
>If you aren't using them in extremely specific builds, you're probably better using Veterans.
True, but those builds are mighty powerful, especially the 15+ Combi-spam with Jump pack. It's a killing stroke that can also do good on assault. Like some sort of double seekers.
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>>47250702
Man, I love thise xyphos on EC.

Do you ignore bolters on your despoilers or do you bling them out completely with both cc and gun?
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>>47250265
Why does he have a Prime Helix on his knee pad?
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>>47250783

That's a fair assessment.
In very broad strokes, I'd say that you want to think of them as a dedicated melee unit that just happens to have a really nasty shooting sting once per game.
Gear them up to beat face with whatever you fancy, whether it be from Jumping or rolling out of a transport, and equip them with Chainaxes/Power Fists/etc as points allow. Then I'd say to *either* blob them as a 15-strong pack of Jumping Murderhobos, *or* smaller teams of Plasma-bombs.
Either way though they are cool as shit and one of my favourite Legionary units in the game.
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>>47250797
>Hello, my twins are called Gemino and Mellizo, meaning Twin and Twin. One of them is seconded to the retinue of Iron Hand of the Iron Hands and the other one is with Raven Raven of the Raven Guard. They're originally chosen of Death-son of the Death guard, who noticed them on an exercise against Bloody of the Blood Angels.
I guess it could have been worse, then.
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>>47250853
The scorpions are obsessed with their purity and can have truly nuts numbers of apothecaries
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>>47250820

I'd say to keep them bare personally. Nothing but swords and pistols, and probably a Rhino while you're at it.
I've run through this explanation a few times now and every time I do, I become more and more sure of the conclusions I've reached.

Basically, Tactical Bolters are horrible in comparison to almost any other Troop unit drawn from non-Legion allies. They are very simply horrible when compared to equals points invested in Militia Levy, Veletarii, Adsecularis etc.
They lose pretty much any firefight even under optimal conditions. You can have your Fury, Ammo Dumps, BS5 bullshit and I tell you that equal investment into 'real' Scoring units will always be the better option.
The only reason you cost so much is for all the melee skills you are neglecting. Fury is a good plan when you intend to charge the next turn.

So basically, Tacticals are always shit. But Bolters are reliably shit, where Despoilers have the very small potential to Sweep a unit. They are still unlikely to do anything, but I'd rather have an unlikely chance to accomplish something than a very likely chance to be totally mediocre.

Like a 1-10 rating:
Bolters are going to be a ~3 every turn and luck doesn't really come into it.
Despoilers are a ~2 every turn, but every now and then will go up to a 7-8 by Sweeping something expensive.

Rhino's are always useful for shielding and blocking charges, and might even get the squad to claim something in enemy territory.
But I just assume that my Troops are worthless, spend the bare minimum on them, and use an Allied contingent to hold objectives.
And spend the saved points on tanks.
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>>47250938
You speak like a calmed Perturabo that is aware he has to do whatever he can with his stubborn but otherwise unremarkable children. Is this Angel Exterminatus?
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I remember reading about a Death Guard chaplain in Distant Echoes of Old Night, but I don't know how to go about painting him.

Should I strip him and re-do it the traditional black? Or should I keep him normal white/gold/green like the squad behind, and paint some kind of black or green skull on his helmet plate?
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>>47251291
Why not paint him DG colours with a black helmet? Mix things up a little?

I think the Black only came in after the G-man introduced the good book, so ultimately its up to you how your chaplains rock.
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Is it weird/unusual to not run a Rite of War? I was looking into allying two Knight Gallants to my proto-Black Templars army and I can't find RoW that fits with tacticals, Templars, and giant fucking robots
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>>47251351
Did they add rules for the newer GW knights in 30k?
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>>47251351
You could bring warlord Siggy, get Templar troops and ally two giant fucking robots. It's kinda close to what some RoWs do.
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>>47251351
I got a buddy who often doesn't use a RoW. He plays IF and doesn't have the models for the Stone Gauntlet, so he either runs Primarch's Chosen or nothing at all.
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>>47251467
This is what I'm thinking. I might just make budget Templar Brethren with the upgrade set and plastic mk4 legs from my Calth marines. It would be like a melee heavy Loyal version of World Eaters.
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>>47251548
He uses Dorn? How's that work out for him? I always just assumed everybody used Sigismund or Polux
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>>47251994
New thread
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>>47247683
MILK THAT RESIN FOR MORE MONEY BB
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>>47252008
Fuck you. I bet your a dirty commie.
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>>47249143
Seriously, when will the dark wing be given rules to transport jump infantry. IT EVEN SAYS IT IN THEIR DESCRIPTION. Buuuut noooooo
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>>47252207
When the WE admit they did 9/11
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>>47252192
Why?
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>>47252333
You know why...
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>>47252384
Sure, that's why I'm asking
Is it because "Soon" means threadguy is actually Curzefag promising the Angron x Landwhale thing, which would also explain the highlight of the bats?
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>>47250856
Volkite using chain axe wielding Reavers onfoot for that early crusade feeling.
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>>47250938
>>47251037

Thank you for your wisdom, Lord of Iron.

>Please don't decimate me.
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>>47251291
I like your painting and use of many different bits!

Good job , man!q
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>>47249317
When did he get rules?
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