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>>46876818
>Rolled 7 (1d20)
FOR THE PRIMARCH-PROGENITOR!
Post Imperial Fists.

Stupid question time because I'm too lazy to work out what book the answer's in. There are a growing number of few rites of war that specify you must be the attacker in missions with an attacker and a defender (IW Ironfire, DG Creeping Death, etc.). What happens if you and your opponent both turn up with lists using these rites? Do you just have to roll a different scenario, or is there a way to resolve it in the rules?

I have a question for you all. After six hardback Horus Heresy books from Forgeworld, which one would you rate the best? The Worst? Which one had the best content in it? The worst content? We talk about ranking the BL books all the time, but never the FW ones, and I want to change that.

>>46876961
Roll of and one person play the defender, there's nothing preventing you from actually being the defender except that single rule.

>>46876818
what do you guys think of tarantulas in mechanicum armies? i was thinking of having them in an Ordos Reductor allied detachment. maybe going TL lascannon?

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Looks like the mega link for the mechanicum book might need an update.

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>>46877452
as a follow up to this, how does the Targeting rules work for TL photon thrusters, pic related

Posted last thread but, Planning an BS Outlanders with the Reaver because teleporting looks cool, is there any infantry that works well with DSing I was thinking seekers loaded with combi-plasma would work like 40k Sternguard

>>46876818
Thanks, Uni for the summary since I was asleep.

Does anyone have good examples of Sons of Horus painted kn metallic green?

The same as Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons, except green.

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>>46877987
>Thousand Sons
Wait for it.

When will the Dionbots make an appearance? When one of the traitors find a copy of When the Dinosaurs Roamed America?

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>>46878086
Given the blight drone is now based on a mechanicum battle-automata, I wonder what an uncorrupted version of the dinobots might look like.

Incidentally, corrupted/possessed versions of all the other battle automata would be really cool. Especially vorax.

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>46853915
Ah, my bad. I had a feeling I should've checked before posting

>>46878212
>>46853915

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>>46878193
I imagine those will come out eventually.

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>>46878193
>>46878251
>mfw everything CSM have is HH derived and nothing has been made since then
>mfw 30k BFG will feature a loyalist planet destroyer

>>46878289
Shut up and take your Dinobots like a man, Brother Twinkletoes.

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>>46878193
It's kind of weird how this one resembles a blight drone just a little bit.

>>46878521
yeah no shit

>>46878521
It's meant to be a pre-nurgle blight drone apparently

>>46878348
Anon, you do understand that soon they'll be our dinobots too, right? You get a dinobot, and you get a dinobot, and you get a dinobot. Everybody gets a dinobot!

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>>46878570
Can I use the megadakka with them, and do have they have a soda dispenser?

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Holy moley /hhg/ is being pretty slow today

to drum up a bit of conversation and stop us getting bumped off, what model's everyone using for their praetor? The models FW sell haven't got much going on, and they've got nothing for jump pack/jetbike/bike praetors.

>>46879301
I've got a few for what I want to run, mostly just a regular MK IV with whatever weapons, and I greenstuff the capes and decals I put.

>>46879398
Nice, what legion?

Post pics if you got em

>>46877460
>"or Dark Mechanicum it that's your metal bag"
>Because we absolutely aren't promoting tech-heresy by only pumping out traitor AdMech
>Srsly, we are the motherfuckers who invented Scoria.
>But maybe you want to pay Archmagos price for a Magos statline with Decima, we don't know. If that's your metal bag...

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Alright /hhg/ explain this to me because I'm a fucking idiot.

How does the Primarch's Chosen RoW work? Do I need a Praetor/Delegatus to unlock the RoW first and fill the mandatory HQ slot and then buy the Primarch as a HQ choice or do I buy the Primarch and then choose the RoW which makes it a HQ to fill the mandatory slot?

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I never realized I needed a combi-pillow...until I saw this. No, I didn't dream of it...yet.

>>46879649
Primarchs have MoL, so just use it. There's no definitive steps for list building/choosing Rites, so just do it all at once.

>>46879649
>When taken in this detachment, a Primarch is counted as a HQ choice instead of a Lords of War choice, and must be both the detachment's compulsory HQ choice and the army's Warlord.
How is this difficult to understand.

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>>46879684
>pic related

>>46877497
>>46877452

no one?

>>46878289
This honestly does annoy me. FW needs to cut it the fuck out with making 30k versions of everything. Are we eventually going to get a 30k brass scorpion or blood slaughterer or decimator? A huge part of the reason I like the Dark Mechanicus is even if they are assholes they actually make new shit from time to time.

>>46879905
I'd say photon thrusters target vehicles, given they have the lance rule. I'd also say it's a typo and FW omitted it. I don't use tarantulas, and I know nobody who uses them.
As for me, I'm trying to come up with ways of using Typhon, but Morturg does it better.

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>>46879908
>FW

BL, GW, everyone has to stop it. As I remember, GW already put the space wolf icicles into HH by saying their weapons were commissioned by Russ to arm the wulfen.

Have they put storm bolters into 30k yet?

>>46876818
Thread theme:
>m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-DmAh0dObI

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>>46879955
>GW already put the space wolf icicles into HH by saying their weapons were commissioned by Russ to arm the wulfen.
So, SW will also have AP2 shredding at initiative?

Just a quick question, does Maru Skara allow you to use its abilities on a transport carrying a unit from another FoC slot? So can I shove a command squad in a dreadclaw drop pod and decide to have it arrive turn 2 alongside my palatine blades and seekers?

Also outside of of meltabombs is there any reliable way to kill vehicles in an infantry heavy army?

>>46879955

I am fine with that,
gives the Ksons attack on Fenris some actual creedence.

>>46880046
>Just a quick question, does Maru Skara allow you to use its abilities on a transport carrying a unit from another FoC slot? So can I shove a command squad in a dreadclaw drop pod and decide to have it arrive turn 2 alongside my palatine blades and seekers?
I'd say so yeah.

>Also outside of of meltabombs is there any reliable way to kill vehicles in an infantry heavy army?
Chainfists, lascannon/missile launcher heavy weapons teams, melta support squads depending on how prolific AC is in your meta, an attached siege breaker for tank hunters.

>>46880023
That's up to FW. I hope we at least get frost axes and swords. Ice beams and icicle I can live without. Even without wolf claws.

Besides, I think SW got that shit pure the same reason Harlies did, to make them competitive enough. Nothing like a small expensive army with tons of AP2 to make then more than fluff options.

>>46880125
A Flare-shielded ceramite-armoured Butcher-carrying slaps your tabletop. What do?

>>46878289
Except we already know the history of CSM ships. None of them exists prior to around M35. They were based on an entirely new design principle, not anything from the Horus Heresy.

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>>46880138
I have never undestood the purpose of AP3 relics.

>>46880167
*Terminus Est*

>>46879955
Fuck off with that picture. Guy Haley is the most toe-the-line of all the BL authors. By his own word there is barely a thing he writes that he doesn't bring to have the higher-ups check it for. Yes, even the Black Templar stuff.

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>>46880148

>>46880186
Is a one of a kind vessel and not a ship of the line.

>>46880167
And just about all of them were made by the Imperium and then turned to Chaos. Or Chaos stole the plans from the Imperium. I think one of the escorts is an actual OC donut steel with xenos weaponry.

>>46880204
>it's ok, I was just following orders

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>>46880222
Not quite. Poison ships were already a thing.

>>46880222
The entirety of the Despoiler class battleships was made with the Terminus Est's blueprints the Admech dug up after the Heresy.

>>46880294
So you're saying the CSM ship design didn't exist prior to the heresy until the Admech found them in M36. Glad to see you agree with me.

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>>46880186
You rang?

>>46880222
It is a ship of the line, it's a battleship

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>>46880332
A full chapter of destroyers is the only good chapter.

>>46879955
>Have they put storm bolters into 30k yet?
Know No Fear had them

>>46880324
Did you forge the part where it did, in the Terminus Est? It is a 30k era ship design, which just didn't get into mass production until M36. Without the Terminus Est we wouldn't have the Despoiler class.

But the bigger point is that Chaos didn't invent that ships class or pretty much any of the Chaos ships. More and more of Dark Mechanicum's inventions are just perverted versions of HH shit, not original works.

>>46880148
Outflank two contemptor Dreadnoughts each with a chainfist turn 2. Perfection and precision allow one to overcome any threat.

>>46880369
We sure the author just didn't confuse combi and storm bolter with one another?

Can't wait for late HH Mk8 armour. Maybe they'll find a way to put centurions in there as well. And stormtalons and ravens.

>>46880405
It mentions terminators firing storm bolters.

>>46880449
Either they were prototypes or it was multilaser-style fluff or a typo like when that dude wrote about some Primarch Rubinek and meant Chapter Master all along.

>>46880405
Pretty sure Mk VII and Storm Bolter have always been late-Heresy tech, no need to bitch

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>>46880405
And the Land Raider Ares!

>>46880507
I'd accept that as an Achilles variant, though the 0 transport capacity is kind of shit

>>46880208
That's your answer to everything.

>>46880474
Mk7, yes, Mk8, no. And I've never seen anything mentioning storm bolters as HH era inventions as long as storm and combi-bolters have been two different things.

>>46879908
No They don't
They just shove daemon dick into stc stuff
They just have some stcs imperials don't have anymore

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>>46880590
Yeah, I know Mk VIII isn't - sorry, that was a bit of alcohol-fuelled belligerence, something in the tone of the post rubbed me the wrong way.
But I do seem to recall hearing that storm bolters were a late-heresy thing, for loyalists, but I can't remember where I heard it and Lexicanum doesn't help

>>46880552
Works for everything

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>>46880148

taunt them, and run back to my fortress and slowly grind them to dust in a relentless combination of attrition and artillery barrages.

>>46880546
as well as being unable to fire the heavy flamers, or hit anything ever with teh asscan
honestly, the land raider are is a retarded design and further proof that the DA are a bunch of scrubs

>>46880637
What part of the fluff for defilers, blight drones, dinobots, etc. states that they're just corrupted old Imperial designs?

>>46880677
Can't you PotMS it?

>>46880667
WINNER WINNER, IRON DINNER!

>>46880721
It's from before PotMS times, iirc

>>46880677
I think you could replace them with meltas?
But they're flamers, you don't need to aim, just fire

>>46880753
PotMS is old as fuck. There was a time it was a generic SM vehicle upgrade.

>>46880753
>demolisher cannon is ordnance
>makes every other weapon snap fire
>cant snap fire template weapons

>>46880590
M8 Horus rising - Horus teleports to the top of that tower and blasts the Bloke on the throne with a storm bolter
grimacing, perfect in every dimension and detail, suffused in radiance. So beautiful. So very beautiful.
For a moment, the god stood there, unflinching, beset by the gale of force, but unmoving, facing it down. Then he raised the storm bolter in his right hand and fired into the tumult.
One shot.

>>46880721
You can for the Assault Cannon, but template weapons can't be snap shot so if you fire the Demolisher Cannon you can't fire the Heavy Flamers.

That said, this wasn't a problem when the tank was first designed so it's a problem that subsequent editions have created.

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Say, my Warlord trait can only affect Sworn Brothers, but what about asymmetrical alliances, where only one of them considers the other dude a Sworn Brother? Kind of like a "Sworn Sempai" if you ask me.
As in, I want to infiltrate those sweet 20-man Night Lord squads.

>>46880690
Blight drone proof is in this thread
Dinobots are just standard daemonic twisting
Via index chaotica-Strictly speaking, the body of a Defiler is not manufactured from anything new, for the obscure processes of the Warpsmiths reconstitute it from Warp-tainted metal wrenched from other constructs. The Defilers’ ancient slab-sided metal panels have been known to possess the runic signatures of ancient Forge Worlds that fell during the Horus Heresy, and of Tech-Priests who had turned traitor. It is said by those within the Council of the Ordo Malleus that many such panels, as well as other elements of the Defiler’s technology, are originated from Dreadnoughts, perverted by the hands of Chaos and distorted by the

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>>46880792
>Raises the bolter.
>One shot.
>Not one clip.

>>46880792
In the FW books it's just called a stylized twin-bolter.

>>46880765
Yeah, I'm completely incorrect about that, I just found it's rules, it has PotMS

>>46880815
Who is asymmetrical?

>>46880841
Anon, you do realize we're talking about how before HH became a thing, none of the daemon engines were tied to HH and were Dark Mechanicum OC donut steel creations, right? And now that we got HH, suddenly we have to tie everything to it and make all the inventions just perverted Imperial designs, nothing original.

That's what people are talking about.

>>46880815
That's what I wonder, what part of the chart is the main army and what part is the allied force? It isn't specified anywhere.

>>46880897
Namely, Warlord Morturg (Death Guard primary detachment) trying to infiltrate allied Night Lords, whom he treats as Fellow soldiers but they look at him like a Sworn Brother.
But WTs can only affect Sworn Brothers and, technically, Death Guard don't consider themselves Sworn brothers to the NL. But honestly I don't know what happens there

>>46880812
Power of the Machine Spirit says you can fire one more gun at full BS than normally permitted. And at a different target. So you can fire the demolisher and snap fire the TL AC one way and use one flamer sponsons on something else.

>>46880912
Horus rising was released 2006
Mauler fiend was referenced in white dwarf and chaos space marine codex in 2012
Go suck a dick

Anon brings three Medusae and places some Interceptor Dread bodyguards, as well as an augury scanner nearby. What do?

>>46880990
Deploy free chain axes

>>46880846
>clip

>>46880984
Dude, go wash the sand out of your vagina.

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>>46880815
>World Eaters
>Thousand Sons
>Sworn brothers

I thought the World Eaters hated psykers? For that matter I thought nobody liked fighting with the World Eaters?

>>46876818
Hol Beloth is cool as fuck!

>>46880990
Use meltabikers to rape medusas and dreads.

>>46880990
Bring four medusae.

>>46881111
Learn to read world eaters and thousand sons are grey - distrusted allies

>>46881111
Nobody except the Iron Warriors can tolerate the World Eaters. You need a ruler, I guess.

>>46881059
Chaosfag go back to your 40k general hug box and cry about how you can't cheese the 3.5 codex there

>>46880990
Laugh as my Aquilla Strongpoint is out of anon's range and rain Str D and Apocalyptic mega-blast upon them as desired.

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>>46881176
>>46881188

>>46881208
>Aquila Strongpoint
>Using D weaponry
>Not the mighty Redoubt Primus, with extra barrage protection.
Had I wanted obvious answers I would have brought two Laser Destroyer Warhounds.

>>46881207
You need come control on that maximum damage of yours.

>>46880379
Chainfist and tl lascannon?

>>46880841

Horus Heresy Book 6 talks about a mechanicum construct that sounds very close to the dinobots. It's during the Incursion at Xana part, where they describe quadrupedal automata, with some having repeating cannons and others having big claws.

It seems that EVERY chaos construct has come from Xana II nowadays.

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>>46881363
I did patent it, after all.

>>46878251
Damn that's good.

So who's interested in a Horus Heresy Masterclass PDF?

https://www.mediafire.com/?cye509bv7czx85c

>>46881497
>https://www.mediafire.com/?cye509bv7czx85c
thanks

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>>46881497

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>>46881255
>Redoubt Primus
>Not pic related filled with BS5 bolters.
I bet you play IW too.

>>46881869
why so low quality

>>46881497
Ooh,thanks!

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>>46881869

>Opponent fields an imperial fortress
>The psyker rolled Shifting Worldscape

>>46881885
Well you can't even buy that model any more

>>46881952
Hey, y'know that 4 foot by foot city of the dead necrons can take?

>>46880170
No one does

>>46880546
YOu must hate the typhon.

>>46882053

I gotta hand it to the tournaments though, finding an unorthodox solution. The power says "Any movable terrain," so the tournaments duct tape their terrain to the table so it's no longer movable.

>>46882024
I'm sure if you call them up and ask they'll still make it for you, it was only ever made to order anyway.

>>46881869
>imperial fortress with bs5 bolters

Which will do absolutely fuck all against all the shooting attacks against it from 36" and farther.

Report to the pain glove, retard.

>>46882080
No, the Typhon has a fuckhueg cannon on it, that's just an expensive, armoured vindicator - you can get 2.5 base vindicators for the price of an Ares

>>46882109
Eh, maybe - it was made-to-order, but even that's gone from there site

>>46882152
Woah, easy there, my World Eater sworn brother. Save that anger for when we breach the walls.

>>46879435

Caleb Decima?

More like Caleb Sucksima. Ha ha.

got em

>>46882524
Warning: Dark Mechanicus memetic algorithm detected, causes the reader to cringe. Intended target: the reader's sides, presumably.

Is there any possibility of modelling a chainfist as an eviscerator style weapon?

>>46882307
They probably didn't bother leaving it up because I'm not sure they ever sold one to anyone who wasn't GW. I'd doubt they'd trash the molds so long as they're intact, never know when GW is going to need a big terrain piece for a diorama.

>>46882660
If you give your dude an eviscerator and say it's a chainfist I wont be complaining, if that's what you're asking

>>46880125
>lascannon heavy weapons teams

Aren't they kind of trash since they're super expensive and easy to kill?
I'm planning on running a group of 5 as Sun-Killers because muh fluff but I don't expect them to perform well at all.

>>46883173
Yeah they're quite a point investment but with an attached siege breaker they'll evaporate most units. Stick them in cover with hardened armour and an augery scanner and they'll earn their points back unless you're opponent doesn't use vehicles.

>>46882660
The two weapons are functionally identical unless you give the chainfist another specialist weapon. So yeah if you gave a guy an eviscerator and said it was a chainfist I doubt anyone would care.

Hey /HHG/ would i be able to win against Horus/Most primarchs if i used both Alpharius and Omegon against them?

>>46883670
Omegon doesn't have rules though

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>>46883670

Just because you are using two manlets instead of one doesn't mean you can upset the power balance.

>>46880167
From the BFG rulebook:
Desolator: no date of inception specified, "dates back to the very founding of the Imperium [...] at least five Desolators defected from the Emperor's light between the 31st and the 34th millennium"
Hades: no date of inception specified
Acheron: no date of inception specified
Devastation: no date of inception specified
Murder: no date of inception specified, at least one active in M33
Slaughter: no date of inception specified, at least one active in M34
Idolator: no date of inception specified
Iconoclast: no date of inception specified

>>46883758
He's conflating the pre-armored prow hull design with the Gareox Prerogative of M36.

So i just finished Flight of the Eisenstein and want to hear more about Garro, don't really want to move to Fulgrim right now.

Will listening to the Garro audiobooks fuck up my timeline?

>>46883670
I don't think both twins have enough strength to take on Horus.

>>46883854
nah, once you've read the first three and FotE then most things are fair game.

>>46883854
No, but it also depends on how much you already know about the Horus Heresy. If you're at least familiar with the stories of Calth, and the Dark Angels, then you'll be fine. Hell, it gets to a point later in the series where if you haven't listened to the Garro audiobooks, stuff comes completely out of left field.

>>46883354
I'm not sold on adding a force multiplier that costs 1/3 of the entire squad itself and takes up an HQ slot just to boost 5 guys.

>>46881497
Thanks, just wanna point out that page 95 (96 in the PDF) is upside down in case you wanna correct things before the link gets spread around.

Are you planning on doing volume 2 as well?

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>>46884116
Durak Rask®!
Both a Siege breaker and a MotL together!
Now with rerolls when control points are involved!
Delight yourself as his squad shoots while he stares at things and gets killed by Morturg!
It's hideous.

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Finally finished rereading this comic but I noticed this. Mk7 on my 30k Ultramarines?

>>46884706
There's a SoH with a very MKVII looking helmet on his MKIV in Betrayal. I think it's written off as being a prototype with an enhanced vox grille or something

>>46884888
I'm just not used to seeing mk7 in 30k unless it's at the Siege of Terra.

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>>46884706
>>46884888
Sarum patter helmets have been a thing for a while. I remember the name "Mantilla" from somewhere, though.

Are breachers with power axes and the ZM rite of war the best way of fucking up someone's deathball in Zone Mortalis?

I played my first ever ZM match today and got fucked up by my opponent having only cataphractii terminators, making a good deal of my stuff useless except for sniper veterans.

>>46884929
I think it looks pretty good, but wasn't Sarum a traitor Forge World? I kind of want to give my sergeants CSM helmets with the chaos-y bits removed, but I'm playing White Scars.

>>46884929
Ever got that feeling where you get tired of seeing the same old thing, but when you see it somewhere else it doesn't feel the same? That's how it feel about mk7.

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>>46885034
I never know how to react to all the stuff I read on these threads anyways

>>46885090
That's probably for the best anyway.

>>46884996
Well fuck, I confused breachers and warders. Warders get the axes, but only breachers benefit from the RoW. Fuck.

>>46885417
I know a guy who brought pretty much all heavy weapon teams with chem-heavy flamers in a game of ZM, using the DG reaping ROW. It was brutal, even saw dreads going down to those things. Boxnaughts though, not glorious contemptors.

>>46885417
What are you talking about? Breachers aren't even mentioned in the Hammerfall RoW, it only says Warders become troops and anyone can buy a speshul teleporter.
>>46885603
I thought the DG would bring all the Terminators to a ZM match, especially with Mortarion teleporting around, not caring he's inside a maze. Grave Wardens and Deathshroud are godly

>>46885713
I said ZM RoW, not the imp fist one.

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>>46885732
>>46885713

Is there any novel (or is going to be) about the Ullanor campaing?

does anybody run Breachers in IW?

I always wondered if there's a group of Word Bearers that just stay in the warp really confused that pretty much every loyalist chapter behaves as they did and worship Big E as a god, they now read from one of Lorgar's books on a daily basis and say heretic so much Colchian might as well be the Imperium's first language

I've never had a bike army before and the 30k flyers looks really cool, who does them better Ravenwing or White Scars?

>>46886208
>every loyalist chapter behaves as they did and worship Big E as a god
Pretty much none of them do. It's a point of contention between the greater imperium and the space marines.

Anyways Word Bearers are unique in that they're the only legion that went 100% traitor. It's the lore reason why they have chaos chaplains.

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>>46882152
Then i'll take some twin-linked lascannons.

>>46885794
This is nice. If only the breacher bonus wasn't restricted to Breachers on ZM (I want me Testudo formashuns)

>>46886551
>It's a point of contention between the greater imperium and the space marines.
Didn't that IW (Kalkator?) taunt his erstwhile Black Templar friend about how they were doing exactly what Lorgar was punished for?
I'm aware that many marines do not adore the Emperor, but rather venerate him as the ideal of the human being...but then there are the Black Templars. The dude even says the Emperor was "protecting mankind with His lie" when confronted about wether or not He was divine.

>>46886727
BT's are one of the few space marine chapters that actually worship the emperor. In 40k, marines are basically a separate entity from the Imperium as a whole, who take resources and protect the Imperium in return without really listening to what any of the higher ups say. But of course who's going to be the guy to say to 1 million ultra-badass supersoldiers "get out".

>>46876818
I like Death a Guard and their fall to chaos. What should I read after flight of the Isenstien?

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>>46886641
This building appears to be vulnerable to deep strikes. Given how it can't buy a teleport jammer you better bring Augury scanners. This is a work in progress, I presume, due to the lack of tanglewire everywhere to keep faggots from tickling the walls with melta bombs. And those spires are accidents waiting to happen. I care not for your teutonic architecture, the enemy will knock them over and somebody will end up squashed. What's wrong with you, Fist? I thought the Praetorian of Terra taught his children how to defensive-siege?
*Sigh*
I better keep my finger on the self-destruct button, just in case...

>>46887112

and don't forget to set up a nice set of trenches behind it....
in the case the enemy is determined enough to plow on..

>>46887530
Go for a full trench network and bunker annex, preferably backed with nice swathes of monomolectular razor wire and tank traps, and plentiful gun nests fitted with anti infantry, armour and aircraft pieces. And also have that rigged and a third line set up, designed carefully to have clear fire lines into the second lines works, so the enemy can't make use of what they spilt so much blood to take.

>>46887731
don't forget the sappers...

what is more fun then tunneling under the enemy and detonating a deathstrike missile?

>>46884706
There's a beaky helm on the Horus rising cover

Fuck. Want to start an AL army, but have no idea how to play it. Orbital assault row with dynat and counter attack? Brutal Lernaen Terminator spartan rush? New headhunter row?

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>>46887937
Beakies are okay.

>>46886155
The primarch series will likely be ultras and word bearers vs orks so kurtha sed and aetheon

>>46886651
Yeah, would it have killed them to say 'models with a boarding shield' instead of just Breachers?

>>46888018
Muh well written and well planned rules.

>>46886727
And his faith protected him from a weirdboy psychic attack so it was real faith

>>46887912
Launching a diversionary phosphex bombardment to make the deathstrike exclamation mark even more stark?

Are the 40k breaching shields in 30k? I don't like the look of the Mk III ones but I've never seen players or artwork using the 40k one. They might be M41/Mk VII only.

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>>46888254
>I don't like the look of the Mk III ones
You lost me there

>>46888097

Nah, Phospex goes onto the third line, to cut them off from reinforcing enemy's second line.
you recruit 50.000 unlucky conscripts, arm half of them (lasguns are expensive, and you need enough to make the second wave look credible enough) to exhaust their ammo.

then you roll in your Iron warriors...

>>46888272
How about concealed phosphex canisters embedded in the rock? So you can rupture them once the first line is overwhelmed. By the time the enemy is advancing on it, trying to capture the following lines BAM! the ground gives in and they get melted.

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>>46887112
>>46887530
>>46887731
>>46888097
>>46888272
>>46888306
I want me Phosphex moat. Kinda like this thing, but running on phosphex.

>>46886992
Bump?

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>>46888306

Brother,
i like the way you are thinking

>>46888269

That weird wing shape with the eagle feather trim looks weird on legions that aren't foofy faggots like EC or IF/UM.

Even the IH and IF decided to use different shields for their unique breachers.

>>46886641
>some twin linked lascannons
>some
>SOME

Your paltry half dozen or so twin linked lascannons isn't going to count for shit when your fort is being hammered by long range ordnance and superheavy primary weapons.

You'd better have a better plan than to hole up in a fortress (huge amounts of hull points though it may have) with nothing but infantry and a handful of weapon emplacements because if you didn't bring anything to this fight that can stop an attacking siege force, you're already fucked.

All fortresses eventually fall. All trenches and forward positions are eventually overrun.
Every Iron Warrior knows this.

Allegiance: Loyalist
Legion: Emperor's Children
Rite of War: The Maru Skara

[Headquarters]
Praetor: 210 Points
Master-Crafted Paragon Blade
Thunder Hammer
Digital Lasers
Iron Halo
Sonic Shrieker

Champion: 125 Points
Phoenix Spear
Artificer Armour
Combat Shield

[Troops]
2x 10 Tactical Marines: 300 Points

[Elites]
2x 10 Palatine Blades: 580 Points
10 Power Swords
Meltabombs

[Fast Attack]
2x 10 Legion Seekers: 530 Points
Artificer Armour
Meltabombs

[Heavy Support]
5 Heavy Support Marines: 260 Points
Lascannons
Hardened Armour

Fluffwise the army is a group of veterans who decided to remain loyal, lacking the heavy support assets of the main legion they rely instead on their innate skill in combat to defeat the enemy, superior marksmen and swordsmen. Aesthetically I differentiate between the tactical marines and seekers by having the tactical marines wear Mk II armour while the seekers, praetor, champion, and palatines wear Mk IV armour, the lascannon marines (sunkillers) wear Mk III armour.

Tactics wise the list is pretty simple the tactical marines, lascannon marines, and a single unit of seekers lay down fire on the enemy, while two palatine blade squads (the praetor and champion are in the same unit) and a unit of seekers outflank turn 2. List tends to perform very poorly against terminator or vehicle heavy armies but against blob marines it is great (as one would expect from two ten man squads of WS 5 marines with power swords who swing first).

I might in the future modify the list to drop the power swords in the palatine squad that my praetor and champion run with and reinvest the saved points into five phoenix spears for the squad, would give my army some more hitting power against terminators outside of just hoping my praetor and champion can solo the unit.

>>46888348
I'm actually curious about the "power for nefarious devices" part. What else could be so twisted that it gets called nefarious compared to this? Or is the blood cannon tame compared in Dorf Fort morality that the power goes to a new evil?

>>46888573
Read the filename.

>>46888254
The 40k ones seem to be for the MkV-VII style arms. I'm sure most people wouldn't even notice if you used them on other armour types.

I also am not a huge fan of the shields on the Breacher kit and while I am planning on making some Breachers, I will look into getting some other type of shield.

>>46888269
He's talking about the Breacher shields. The 40k plain ones and the 30k wing style ones.

>>46888670
>Daemonculaba
>Nefarious
Needs more pooper.

>>46888685
>>46888450
>>46888254
You mean these? They're not so bad. The officer's one, coated with feathers, now that's outrageous.

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Looking for conversion inspiration for my second knight out of my renegade box. The first is going to be a Dark Souls Knight. But I have no idea what to do with the second.

I already have a Paladin, Atrapos, and attached is my Obliterator(Crusader).

What are some of the coolest Knight conversions you've seen stride across the wastes of the heresy?

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>>46888746
You were expecting some shields on that comment, didn't you? They outflanked onto this comment.

>>46888753
The plasma gun is really that big? Did they changed the design so that Leman Russ could make a dick joke or something?

>>46888670
>implying Khorne would allow such a waste of blood for something like that

>>46888746
Eh, personally I'd just take like a proper slab than a stylized one with weird shapes. I've actually looked at those 40k Ogryn shields. The small ones, not the ripped off blast doors. They look like big enough to give Marines some protection.

>>46888886
It has already been shed, I doubt he gives a fuck what you do with it after it has been shed. Granted IIRC in the old WHFB fluff Khorne hated vampires, so maybe he does care, fuck if I know.

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>>46876818
Legion spitting contest!
>Death Guard
Able to withstand poisons and toxins that could affect even other marines. The Zulu could chew poisonous weeds to gain a poison spit. The Death guard could fight on a radioactive swamp, take a drink of it, gurgle it and the spit would count as Phosphex.

>Iron Warriors
Their spit is Pinning and rerolls armour penetration.

>Imperial Fists
They spit at BS5. Tests also indicate they're immune to spitting while taking cover.

>Night Lords
They asked to be provided blood in order to spit it. When it was provided, they simply smeared it all over them.
Couldn't get a spit from them.

>Blood Angels
They simply stared at the Night Lords, wasting all those precious, tasty blood...

>>46888887
You mean the ones that look like combat shields? I'm partial to anything looking like riot shields for breachers. What's the name for the 40k thingies on FW's website? Siege mantlets?

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>>46888975
>IIRC in the old WHFB fluff Khorne hated vampires,
>Khorne hated vampires
How interesting. Video is incredibly related. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT-sUH0-fH0

>>46888786
How else am I going to drown my enemies in 7" white hot plasma blasts?

>>46889096
But it's a Titan weapon! On a Knight. It can't even power it.

>>46889114
It's not a titan weapon. The Blaster is. The obliterator isn't.

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>>46880815
>Sworn Sempais

>>46884270
Shit. Corrected.

https://www.mediafire.com/?riqm9fp01i8okg4

Also, I'll do volume 2 if someone can point me to the scans.

>>46889034

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Space-Marine-Boarding-Assault-Upgrade-Set

>>46889207
Ah thank you.

>>46888753
Jesus Christ that looks like shit

>>46889263
I'm glad the usual tg quality has finally seeped into the HHG

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>>46889034
>You mean the ones that look like combat shields?

I got a few (for some 40k conversions) and they're about the size of Vanguard storm shields. I like their more nimble and utilitarian look. Like it's something you could see the breacher use both for blocking enemy fire as well as whacking someone over the head with.

It's a bit shame they're all battle damaged, but it's a small price to pay.

>>46889263
>It doesn't look that bad, you're probably just angry cause it's blue like the Ultramar-
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT GUN

How is the knight not tipping over? That's some sword-so-unwieldy-the-guy-has-to-drag-it-around-behind-him level shit right there.

>>46889308
It does look like shit though.

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>>46889525

>>46888980
The IF Betcher's Gland doesn't work. Fucking worthless mutants. At least the Iron Warriors aren't genetically deficient Astartes.

>>46888556
>Aesthetically I differentiate between the tactical marines and seekers by having the tactical marines wear Mk II armour
>while the seekers, praetor, champion, and palatines wear Mk IV armour
>the lascannon marines (sunkillers) wear Mk III armour.
That's spot on armour use there. As for the list itself, pretty much what you said, it'll struggle against terminators and multiple vehicles.
Maybe drop the hardened armour and grab some phoenix spears?

>>46890641
>At least the Iron Warriors aren't genetically deficient Astartes
No, they're generally decimated Astartes instead. But damn if I'm not tempted to ride the ironfire

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Scoria based Cybernetica army building has begun! Just need to get my hands on some bits this month to make Scorias abeyant.

>>46890711
>Scoria's abeyant
Do tell. What's the plan?

Whatever happened to the Emperor's personal ships? Are they now some museum or are they storage sheds for paperwork and junk?

>>46890834
The normal abeyant base with tomb spider legs on it and the old dark eldar talos tail on the back with the photo thurster mounted on it like a scorpion sting.

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>>46891271
You have true heresy in you.

>>46891293
So pumped to get it done, just waiting on the spider parts to arrive!

>>46891019
The Vengeful Spirit happened to them.

>>46891271
>normal abeyant base

You mean this:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-SE/Archmagos-Draykavac-Archmagos
Or this:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Mechanicum-Magos-Dominus-with-Rad-Cleanser

>>46890674
>That's spot on armour use there.
Thanks

Anyway, I was thinking of kitting out one or both of the palatine squads like this instead
10 dudes
5 phoenix spears
5 charnabal sabres
Overall cost would be the same but the unit would have 15 Str 5 AP 2 attacks in addition to the 7 from the praetor and the 4 from the champion. I figure 26 WS 5-6 attacks wounding marines on a 3+ and AP 2 in addition to the rending from the sabres should be able to fuck up anything that isn't a massive beastick unit. I would like to keep the hardened armour for fluff purposes (same reason I gave the seeker sergeants artificer armour even though they would easily die in a challenge due to only having a regular CCW).

Another possible option I thought of would be to replace one of the seeker squads with another lascannon unit. Lose a few bodies but would really help against vehicles and terminators (particularly multi-wound terminators).

>>46891632
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Mechanicum-Magos-Dominus-with-Rad-Cleanser
I don't think that guy has an abeyant

>>46891914
>"The Magos Domius with Rad-Cleanser is a complete resin kit and includes a Magos Dominus equipped with a volkite serpenta, cortex controller, ABEYANT and the option of a rad/irad-cleanser or sensor skull."

>>46891632
it will be off the cool Draykavac abeyant, not the shitty magos one

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What would be a good replacement helmet for this? I don't really like the head.

>>46888355
Anybody?

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>>46892254
You know it to be true.

>>46892254
I've always found middle of the back angel wings weird, always thought of angel wings as being attached to the upper back, like where the shoulder blades would normally be.

On topic you might want to look at some terminator heads and modify them, they might be big enough that he won't suffer from a severe case of tiny head. Phoenix Guard terminator heads look like they have potential, probably add some ear wings or something for blood angels, but if the head is the right size it should look somewhat fitting.

>>46876818

Looking into getting a Horus Heresy legion. What does Alpha Legion do in this game?

>>46892646
Infiltrate everyfucking thing. Also a nice legion because they have a Rite of War that lets them take one legion unique unit from another legion. So if you like the way Palatine Blades of Gal Vorbek look you can buy one unit, paint it up, and include it in your Alpha Legion army.

>>46892778

That sounds rad. How about the Imperial Fists? I play them in 40k but hate their dumb heads in 30k.

>>46892941
Good termies, good bolters, viable Heavy Weapon squads and marines with breacher shields. They also have a deep strike RoW and a shield one. They could have better legion specific units though, but their characters are great, and very dangerous in melee.
The wiki could be very informative to you
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)

I'm off to sleep, /hhg/. Let's see what Emperor/Scoria-induced dreams await me.

Anyone playing against or having any luck with BA?

>>46893895
Played my buddy's BA army couple times. Day of revelation RoW is strong. 2 twenty man assault blobs with chaps, one praetor. Supported by a regular tac squad, contemptors, Sicaran and scorpius. Those jump marines can go places I tell ya

>>46894159
I've been trying to make assault marines work for DoR but their cost and vulnerability to blasts make me think twice. If I may ask how many points were you playing?

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>>46890711
>>46891293
Very early WIP for the scheme of the army

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>>46887112
>>46888542
Bitches saying I'm done.

>>46894392
looks good so far.

What are the future plans?

Also read the old visions of heresy stuff.

Apparently Saul Tarvitz was once the First Captain of the EC.

Did Bl dump that?

Annoying.

>>46895146
Scoria leading as many big punchy robots as possible. Got 3 Domitars and 3 more Vorax to do up as well.

Starting my Death Guard army!
Before I buy anything, I wanted to make a complete list. What do you guys think?

2000 points
RoW: Pride of the Legion

HQ:
Praetor
+Cataphract armor
+digital weapons
+paragon blade

Librarian
+ML 2
+Cataphract armor
+power scythe

Siege Breaker
+void shield harness
+artificer armor
+refractor field

TROOPS:
Siege breached squad
+Meltaguns

Siege breacher squad

Deathshroud terminator squad
+3 terminators
+melta bombs

Deathshroud terminator squad
+3 terminators

ELITES:
Quad guns
+2 guns
+phosphex

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Medusa

Heavy Support Squad
+missiles
+flakk

>>46895300
I was talking about the Paint scheme, but I like punchy robots. So everything is fine.

>>46895318
I like the gist of it.

Reaping the shit out of people.

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It really feels good when your memes get mentioned in the general info

>>46895146
Tarvitz was always a line captain I thought?

>>46895538
The stuff in collected visions names him as First Captain.

>>46888753
>>46889308
Learn to take some criticism instead of deflecting m8, that gun makes it look horrendously lopsided.

>>46896050
He is right though that it wasn't put as well as it could be.

Yeah, the paintjob is cool as fuck, but the gun looks way to big.

>>46896050
>looks like shit
Is not constructive criticism m8. It's not even criticism, it's an opinion.

>>46896061
Is constructive criticism.

>>46896193
>just an opinion

Okay, In my opinion, I think that the overall aesthetic of your knight would benefit if you had both weapons be a similar size.

For example, a small plasma cannon and small autocannon.
Or a large plasma cannon and large autocannon


because at the moment it looks lopsided as shit

>>46896193
it is probably hard to find the right size of plasma gun.

Is this a titan or super heavy weapon?

If it is, you might take a look at the plasma pred.

I hope its not the plasma pred, because I fear it wont get smaller then.

>>46895300

Why the fuck do you keep spamming about Scoria. You and the Hammers of Dorn and the Exorcists guys are so cancerous.

>>46896287
He is building an army and atcually painting it therefore what he is doing is not spamming.
Look at the paintojob picture he posted.

Scoria spam was done by multiple people.

But please, do tell me about the hammers of dorn and exorcist guys.

>>46876818
How is the best way to field cool but squishy characters like Maloghurst, Loken or Skorr?

Just throw them into a big tac or termie squad in a transport to keepthem safe?

>>46896287
>spamming
Oh I am very sorry to actually be making an army and creating something instead of posting about female primach waifus or who is the most autistic...................get gud and produce hobby anon.

>>46895120
>looks at formation restrictions

Yeah, you are.

>>46896193
Alright, if you didn't understand why he thought it looked like shit, why didn't you ask him instead of instantly starting to cry about the quality of posts?

>>46896611

>double dubs

Confirmed, Scoria is with you my brother. I'll be sure to post my Xena Mechanicum army as I paint it.

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Warhammer Fest event exclusive model. The FW bulletin says you can get it "for the first time" at the event, so maybe he'll appear elsewhere afterwards.

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>>46896768
Looks nice, but doesn't beta this glorious motherfucker.

>"I am exactly the right age for this shit!"

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>>46896763
yesssssssssssss

>>46895300
What will you do against enemy fliers?

A Lightning maybe?

I am thinking of combining my anti air and anti tank in a lightning and/or a Xyphos, unsure if it is a dick move though and I should instead go for a Contemptor Mortis with las.

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>>46896825
fliers really won't do much against lots of large multi wound models in single or double units. I can always take a brace of Helios sentry guns for dirt cheap just to say fuck you fliers.

>>46896878

Good point.

They can plink away at castellax but it won't be THAT annoying.

And Scoria can just hide amongst a unit of those to act as shields.

Devious!

>>46896768

Glad they stopped making stupid useless shit like lodge priests or legion locked/very legion reminiscent shit like the IW/AL/Minotaurs guy.

This guy appears as generic as it can get, other than the techmarine/IH style tabard. I like everything about it except that tabard. Collar and comms are awesome.

>>46896611
>ctrl+f scoria
>11 results
>only one photo of WIP

Are you really that narcissistic that you can't go for one day without posting "scoria" and you can't fathom people are sick of your shit?

>>46896768

Me want. Me want badly.

>>46896927
It is not him, dingus.

>>46896920
Oooh, didnt know they made a serpent lodge priest.

Wish it had rules.

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>>46896927
Bro you are seriously butt mad, I don't know about you but I spent my day doing stuff not monitoring a thread for things to make me mad. I literally posted my WIP and nothing else. Kill yourself my man!

>>46897022
You did not tell me how you wanted to continue painting.

Bronze and gun metal are nice, but how do you want to finish it?

Taking it from the book for accuracies sake?

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>>46880846
>even Speedwagon is afraid

>>46897276
Sorry the Xana color scheme just aint for me, that pale washed out orange/cream is a bitch to do. So to finish the castalax off will be spooky highlights on the black parts + lots of gloss layers on them to make it sickly and black evil mollusk looking, and wash and then highlight the tubes up to a heretical green. The shoulders will both have chaos symbol transfers applied to them to show their allegiance. Servo skull and stuff in the helm and weapons have to be done as well.

>>46897324
No worries and thanks,
Will be interesting to see.

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>>46896061
>He is right though that it wasn't put as well as it could be.
>it wasn't put as well as it could be
>as well as it could be
Decimate it.

>>46896768
Is this Horus Aximand? It does look like the tiniest Horus you could get.

>>46896768

Welp, found my Durak Rask model

You guys think an Apothecary Dreadnought was one of the Emperor's scrapped ideas?

>>46897820
What, a dreadnought with a big sack on its back so it could drag fallen brothers back to actual apothecaries with actual hands still?

>>46897820

>Special boxnaught
>AV 14/13/12
>Has a rookery of medical Cherubim on the back
>Friendly units in 12" get FNP, or +1 if they had it
>Cherubim also swarm any enemy unit within that range, causing them to make difficult terrain tests to move/run/assault

Blanch/10, fund it

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>>46897887
I was thinking more of a dreadnought with a thing filled with healing gas to spray on marines. Or a Syringe gun.
>>46897906
Oh I like this. Now it needs a jump back if it's a Bangle.

>>46897961

There are so many dreads they missed out on

>Chaplain dread with huge AoE zealot radius
>Dirt cheap light armoured FA jump pack dread with Lighting claws like massive ursarax
>24'' range cortex controller HQ dread

That and I'm just mad at how FW both fucked the boxnaught with the Contemptor cortus by not cutting both cutting their costs down to something more like their 40k incarnation and giving dreads across the board some unique special rule based on LA rules. The IW/IH/DA all kind of did this through their RoW, and the UM let dreads mark units, but I want more damn it

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>>46898157
We need to go deeper. We need a Swiss Army Knife Dreadnought.

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I found said dread in a way.

>>46898157
There's literally no point in taking a boxnaught now the cortus exists. Even the Contemptor prime is going to be hard pressed to stay useful with the cortus here, its only advantage is the antomantic shield rather than deflector. Boxnaught mortis' should still be good though for some cheap AA.

>>46898626

I might not have said that very clearly, I wrote that before my morning caffeine infusion

Yes, that was my point, the Cortus fucked the boxnaught squadron, they cost 10 points more for better armour, the shield, the list of abilities, move through cover and better weapon options

The boxnaught needs to be cut down to 100 points and fast

>>46894274
2500. They get that 5+ cover and then usually I have a turn to shoot at them until they charge something. I play Iron Hands of that helps. The chaplains really improve their effectiveness.

>>46897906
>>46897961
>>46898157
Knight Errant dreadnought.
An interred techmarine psyker that also underwent apothecary training, so he has a narthecium in one power claw and the other arm is actually a servo arm. Has AV14|13|13 and a Paragon atomantic shielding for 3++.

>>46892400
That post just made me realize that a guy with wings essentially has four arms. Sanguinius is a feathery Goro.

>>46876818
Are WB viable as mass infantry assault Legion?

I was thinking about Herald and/or Hol Beloth type shenanigans to support hyped up, dark channeling using tac desppoiler squads.

It just seems I would be gearing for less effective WE.

What do?

>>46899404
And centaurs have two ribcages. Welcome to fantasy

>>46896461
From my personal experience, Loken does well in a 20 man squad including an apothecary. Put them in a storm eagle or Spartan and send them directly for a non-Primarch warlord. Despite his 3+, Loken usually kills his opponent before they can do anything

>>46896611
If you post pics with it spam as much as you want. I'm just happy people are sharing their work instead of meme bullshit

>>46895318
Bump?

>>46895318
Your light on anti tank in this armor ceramite, flare shield millennium.
Medusa is good, but will be the first thing killed by anyone with long range anti tank. Followed by the phospex, who I think now lose the shatter shells when they grab the WP.
Also no more relics on characters unless a campaign/ opponent agrees. So don't count on it.
Like the infantry heavy feel though that's pretty death guard... even though you are playing sit in the deployment zone, and death guard are about that relentless advance

>>46895318
I was looking at it, trying to make a DG list of my own. I find your lack of rad disturbing, and you could do away with the breachers and bring moar Deathshroud. Im not sure about the missile squad either, their only appeal is when they become scoring troops in the Reaping. Better get a Deredeo aiolos.
Say, modelos with boarding shields count as having defensive grenades. Does this mean they can shoot blind blasts too?

>>46898851
How about this

Boxnaughts get Legiones astartes and get dropped to 100pts

Cortus stays the same

Prime costs 10 less points

>>46899460
Most legions can do most tactics, it's stupid to pick a legion just because you prefer their tactics if you prefer another legion's fluff and aesthetics.

>>46898851
>the Cortus fucked the boxnaught squadron
I don't get why people claim this, the boxnaught has one massive advantage over the cortus besides cost, it has a higher WS and BS. So if you wanted to say spam high strength fire than all you would need is to spend 145 points on a BS 5 boxnaught with 2 volkite culverins. Gives you 8 BS 5 str 5 shots with a 45 inch or something threat range and deflagrate. Better yet you can take three of them for a single slot and have them all act autonomously of each other (talons aren't squadrons).

Cortus dreads giving up BS 5 is a massive hit to them.

>>46899773
>you could do away with the breachers
I thought Pride of the Legion only made them non-compulsory?

>>46900013
Shit I never realised boxnaughts could take Culverins. Have they released an arm for it yet or do they know no one plays boxnaughts?

>>46900013
Boxnought is BS4 (check the FAQ). Cortus has the Dread Talon rule as well, so you can take 3 in one slot and have them operate independently. And the Cortus can take TL culverins.

>>46900186
Well then FW is actively trying to replace the boxnaught and there is no reason to even fantasize about it becoming better.

>>46900281
You think? Boxnought is worthless. Indomitus is worthless. All they need to do is make Mars pattern Rhino hulls one AV worst than Deimos, and Phobos MkIII have 8 model capacity to complete the "fuck you, pay me" scam.

>>46900389

does Indomitus even have FW rules as of now?

>>46900389
Hey now someone has to pay the recasters' bills.

>>46900055
No buddy, they are compulsory. Never trust your memory, and build your list with the book on hand.

>>46900417
Yes, it's "Terminator Armour". Aka. regular ass terminator armour, sans deep strike. Tartaros can sweep and cataphractii has 4++ and not-S&P for the same price. Taking indomitus is literally shooting yourself in the foot. And I have 15 of them. No, I ain't mad.

>>46900475
You are right, battle-brother. It's just I currently live a busy life and the red books are cumbersome to carry with me and the tablet I used to keep the books on is broken.

More terminators it is! Time for some reaping

>>46900281
>>46900389
What comes next? Will FW try and sue GW for copyright infringement?
>>46900495
You sure you ain't mad?

>>46900389
>not using Idominitus to show these termie-fags why only your armour survived to the 41st millenium
>not using Mars rhinos for that bitching door marines can actually get out of
>using land raiders at all

Stay pleb anon

>>46900639
>You sure you ain't mad?

Not at all! It's not like I like the boxnought and would like to field some because of the iconic look, and dislike huge eggbot FW made of the contemptor. It's not like I like the indomitus or anything and didn't want to see something different on the board than the same two terminator variants over and over. Not like I spend a good deal of money and time converting weapons and shit for them, because FW hasn't made them and only alternatives are spiky CSM ones.

Nope, not a single molecule of mad in me. I'm as unmad as a Hindu cow.

>>46900663
>only your armour survived to the 41st millenium

He says even though GW has already given cataphractii rules in 40k and I'm pretty sure Tartaros came out before HH.

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>>46900663
>not using Mars rhinos for that bitching door marines can actually get out of
Also if you're from one of the cool legions that actually have bits and icons you can bling out your Rhino pretty nicely.

On which subject, having just assembled Rhinos for my Dark Angels, you can Deimosify the front pretty easily with a pair of Dreadnought sarcophagi. I wouldn't normally mention it, but apparently this is not a thing people have realized you can do.

Pic related is the same idea on an old rhino.

>>46900752
Well to be fair it's not like you cant use them. Just because they aren't as good as some alternatives doesn't mean you shouldn't use them, if you like them use them. It's not like boxnaughts or indominitus' are bad, just not as good as some others.

>>46900629
You can carry them on your lap\phone. I dislike doing things on the phone (like posting, for example), so you could carry your lap around, idk

>>46900818
Of course I can take them, and I do, but just disheartening for FW to just make all the stuff you like shit compared to everything else.

>>46900906
Don't get too mad, son, or I'll have to find you in contempt(or) of court(us)

>>46899536
Thank you!

That is a good idea.

If I plan to use a lot of reserves, I should probably invest in a Damocles or Proteus with Explorator Array for my MoS to bring my reserves in more easily.

>>46900752
Well I think it's better to have two variants on table rather than just one.

>>46899875
You are right, especially since I would go traizor.

But what about loyalist Word Bearets?

With no warp shit they are vanilla as fuck.

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Thread guy save uuuuuuuuusssssssss

>>46901099
Ohohoho.

>>46901522
>two is better than one
>three is not better than two

>>46901628
Behold my brother, fresh warm bread! >>46901655

>>46901692
I hope thre are raisins in there this ti,e.

>also thank you, thread-man.

>>46901674
Well there are 3 options for TDA, but one of them is apparently outshined by other two.

They should make saturnine pattern as well. So 4 options