/srg/ - Shadowrun General

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>>46481531
I see your Eiger, and I raise you one Glory.

>>46481531
I'd climb that mountain.

>>46481531
>>46481576
Gobbet a cute

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>>46481649
forgot pic

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Posting cutest companion

>>46481829
I killed him.

>>46482899
You disgust me.
Gaichu did literally nothing wrong.

>>46482914

Maybe, but biz is biz.

>>46482939
>doing biz for people who have betrayed people they hired before

>>46482939
Hey, if you want to be the next runner they send the cops after because they don't feel like paying you, by all means.

Also, I got a hilarious bug with Maximum Law where both him and his Puppet stand-in appeared simultaneously despite that whole storyline not even having triggered yet. It resulted in me not being able to access his store for a few missions because they both somehow triggered that they weren't the current vendor. Granted, not too bad a bug, but I still found it incredibly confusing.

>>46482956

Well I'm not a ghoul, so.

>>46483158
You're also not Wampoan or whatever.
They don't give a fuck about you.

>>46483168

Sure, but they won't get away with not paying me because I'm not a ghoul.

>>46482939
It's not good biz to deal with people who have a known track record of fucking over people they employ and are a small company. Or Aztechnology.

Besides, they wanted the killer found, not killed.

>>46483178
They didn't really get away with not paying Gaichu either, and still refused to pay him even when he started killing them.
They're jews, through and through.

>>46483195

They did pay me, though.

>>46483206
Sure, but there was no guarantee they were going to.

>>46483246

If they didn't, the chinese bitch would have fucked them over.

>>46481576
>>46481576

>Dat back story
>Dat bad girl streak
>Dem claws

12/10 would hug and kiss.

How common is it for a DM to simply not allow deckers in their games? Seems to be really friggin' common.

>>46483313
Is there actually an ending to her storyline that doesn't imply she's going full Satan again? Because seriously, fuck the fact that killing the cult leader somehow leads to her enjoying burning down an orphanage and having claws made out of hellfire. It was the only sensible solution.

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>>46483565
>How common is it for a DM to simply not allow deckers in their games? Seems to be really friggin' common.
As someone who GMs Shadowrun from time to time?

nodeckers.jpg

Even in 5 it's much easier to just handwavium that shit than make everyone sit around while the decker solo adventures for 60 minutes busting through a security system.

I used to think if I just ran the groups parallel everything would be hunky-dory but it was not. Everyone ends up butthurt about the decker getting so much time. If people get butthurt I am doing something wrong as GM. Eventually I realized the wrong was letting people play deckers at all.

If you want to be a tech person, street sam and rigger are both incredibly viable options.

>>46483565

It happened more in previous editions I think but one of sr5's improvements was making decking work concurrently with meatspace really well.

Meanwhile, old guards and people running earlier editions would probably say no lots.

>>46483565
Wait, what? I'd say deckers are the one essential party role. Without one, you're just running around being caught on every single camera, tripping every single biometric scanner and getting fucked over by every single locked door there is. You can shoot people instead of talking to them, you can just tell magic to fuck right off, and you can talk your way out of sticky situations, but you can't talk or shoot your way out of a Matrix problem.

I want to build a decker that uses Attack actions mostly. But why would anyone use Brute Force?

Let's say you're trying to disable a gun. You brute force into it. Now that your enemy knows you're trying to hack into his gun. So he just turn off wireless. How can I become more efficient with Brute Force?

>>46483684
>>46483684

If you save the innocents then the final confrontation is framed as freeing the Horned God and it attaching it's self to Glory as a symbiotic relationship. So instead of Glory holding onto the bloodlust of the Adversary through her actions she makes peace with her past and childhood and gets a weird healing power I never used because she was always my go to CQC Specialist.

>>46483684
If you don't say anything she purifies the spirit and bonds with it

>>46483748

Put all the dice into Brute Force. Codeslinger, specialisation, get crazy high logic, raise your deck ' s attack attribute as much as you possibly can, etc, try to hit the 5d6 init level etc, maybe take the Adrenaline Boost quality too etc.

They can't turn off their gun if you brick it before they can react.

>>46483748
brute force would be to get marks, combined with the spike it can do a lot of damage long term, but is not the full focus of things.
2nd, sometimes you cant turn off a device. If they have a defense decker/ security spider, they wont be able to turn off the central hub, but you can still screw with the parts of the PAN/WAN.

>>46483748
See the fact that he is now less effective than he used to be due to not getting his awesome wireless bonuses anymore as a partial victory.

>>46483697
Sounds like your problem either is not emphasizing the fact they need to get the decker to where he needs to be, or not making it hard enough for him that he's going to trip something and force the others to protect him.

You need the face to get in without raising an alarm immediately, you need the mage for astral bullshit and watchers, you need the decker for KOMPUTAHS, and you need the sammy for when shit inevitably goes south. If one of the archetypes constantly gets more spotlight, that's probably a failure of you as a GM.

>>46484007
Sleazy just seems better...?

>>46484033
But as far as a grunt holding a gun, he can just turn off the wireless

>>46484078
>Sounds like your problem either is not emphasizing the fact they need to get the decker to where he needs to be, or not making it hard enough for him that he's going to trip something and force the others to protect him.
>You need the face to get in without raising an alarm immediately, you need the mage for astral bullshit and watchers, you need the decker for KOMPUTAHS, and you need the sammy for when shit inevitably goes south. If one of the archetypes constantly gets more spotlight, that's probably a failure of you as a GM.
Afraid not. I've got over two decades of experience running games. I won't make any judgment on my quality as a GM, but I can say the people who I run for aren't clinging to me because I am the only person they know who can run games.

Based on that experience, I can tell you that balancing deckers against the rest of the party simply relies on having a group that's okay with the decker getting so much alone time. Since that sort of group is rare, I just don't allow deckers. It's quicker and easier than dealing with a hurt feelings report.

As I noted, I've tried running meatspace/matrix at the same time in parallel and even that doesn't work because everyone else works off one description of events while the decker works off a different -- if related -- description of events.

It's a lot of extra work that almost always results in extra aggravation.

But hey, you don't have to play with me.

How exactly, aside from drugs and snowflake matatypes, do you get the maximum 5d6 init dice? They all seem to cancel each other out.

>>46484105
Depending on how you play, it might be. But at least Attack can just brick the everliving shit out of everything, so a decker who ends up in firefights and the like will probably prefer to just make stuff stop working as opposed to the target not noticing he is being hacked when there's clearly a decker doing Matrix bullshit 50 feet from him.

>>46484131
Either brick it with dataspikes (he only notices he's being hacked if you succeed, and hopefully that means it's too late given the low device rating of weapons), or let him turn off the wireless and lose a free action while lowering his usefulness in combat (since it would presumably be a smartgun if it was running wireless).

Being able to brick everyone's weapons at the drop of a hat would make sammies fucking useless.

>>46484267
what metatypes give you an extra d6 initiative?

>>46484267
spend edge

>>46484825
Shapeshifters, I believe.

>>46484267
You need to combine different sources of init enhancement.
So basically:
>Ware+drugs
>Magic+drugs
>Ware+HMHVV/Shapeshifters
>Magic+HMHVV/Shapeshiters
A favorite of mine is Rating 3 MBW + Jazz
+4 REA, +9 init, and +3d6 init.

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>>46483697
My god do I want to run with that woman.

>>46481531
I wish dialogue with Eiger wasn't so limited. Either you play her game and bitch back at her or you're a giant pussy.

>>46486020
I really wanted to fire her. Tell her to her face that she is anything but professional and that she can go fuck right off.

I was so looking forward to a female troll npc too.

>>46484007
If they have a free action, they can use it to turn wireless off between your actions.

>>46485413
my route is
>ware+hmhvv+drugs

>>46486020
eiger annoyed me for various reasons
>super military shit
>unprofessional
>little tiny horns
> no bikini scene

are all trolls that normal looking? some of the art from earlier editions made them look weird.

>>46486806
Tards want speshul sexy trolls and don't care about canon, so HBS made cute trolls and orks look like elves with tusks.

>>46486806
She has 2/3 CHA instead of 1

>>46485413

Well I specifically said "aside from drugs and snowflake metatypes", so I'm guessing you can't get a passive (or quasi-passive, as wired reflexes need to be turned on) 5d6 dice without houserules.

>>46486889
i can get over the fact that the orks have elf ears, and are just tougher and slower. But the games themselves kinda lacked the grit orks have, you know.

I imagine orks and trolls not being too different from humans, because they are still human. Just tougher. where as elves are prettier with longer ears.

>>46486901
which is weird, as she's about as personable as a brick.

>>46486987

Yep. Although anyone can spend Edge to roll 5d6. Most of the time it's overkill, unless it's pushing you into another Initiative Pass.

>>46487070

Well it could let you dodge without missing a pass.

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>>46487066
>I imagine orks and trolls not being too different from humans, because they are still human. Just tougher. where as elves are prettier with longer ears.

But they're not 'still human'. They're very different; different biology, different hormones, different lifespan, all of which create a different culture. Heck, the fact that 60 years has created multiple racial cultures and subcultures says a lot about how not-human metahumanity is. It cheapens it when you say, "Human, but stronger" or "Human, but more agile" or "Human, but short."

>>46486806
>>46486889

She could have easily have been a formoni. That would explain the look.

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if i'm minmaxing my spoopy shaman's illusion dice pool at chargen can i do better than 24?
6 (magic) + 6 (power focus) + 6 (sorcery) + 4 (illusion focus, can't get more than rating four atm) + 2 (mentor spirit)

>>46484825
also some ghoul variants.
all listed in run faster

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>speaking of metaqt's

>>46487150
well, we're human...and we have to compare them to ourselves.

orks live shorter lives because they suffer more wear and tear, but have more muscle

elves are more agile yet some how live longer lives.

dwarves are short, and just like IRL midgets, dwarves get along very well with more dwarves.

>it cheapens it
its a cheap thing anyway. like giving different stats to black or white people

>>46487151
maybe. but the other thing that annoyed me. she wears a leather jacket in her inventory, yet wears nothing resembling a leather jacket.

>>46487198
Do you have a specialization?

>>46486806
>>46486889
>>46486901
>>46487066
>>46487151
It wouldn't be too hard for whatever military to enforce or offer troll reduction. That would fix bilateral symmetry, excessive sweat and body oils, unsightly dermal deposits and more.

>>46487338
no! lol
i knew i was forgetting at least 1 thing

>>46487264
This one at least looks like a proper ork. It's mostly cartoon-ish style that makes her cute.

>>46487397
yea, but them troll bits are useful. dermal deposits are what gives the trolls their armor.

it might also have to do with Eiger being a woman as well.

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>>46487268
Sure, compare them to other humans, but if all you see are the most basic, physically apparent-at-a-glance differences, then you're missing the bigger picture. Run Faster has a good chapter on it, but just take orcs. They're not only bigger, their bodies are full of muscle-building growth hormones that incline them to jobs in heavy industry, but also violent confrontation, which in turn leads to high rates of incarceration. Orcs regularly have multiple births and, combined with the push towards the outskirts of civilization, leads to strong familial bonds and a pack mentality when dealing with problems. They not only live shorter lives, but they mature far faster than humans; an orc can't get 18 years of childhood; by the time his human compatriots are getting talked to about what to put their dick in, he's already been through the worst of puberty and wants to get out in the world. At every stage of development, they are larger and more mature than their fellows, which stresses a system not meant for them.

What comes out at the end of this, on both a personal and societal scale, is something distinctly inhuman.

>>46487198
You can't stack different foci, only one provides bonus at time.

>>46487459
No idea how many dermal deposits Eiger has, but the fact she has zero unsightly breaches leads me to think it's not because she has a vagina. There are plenty of ugly fem trolls.

>>46487459

It's not like the default dermal deposits are insanely heavy it's just that Laubenstein drew them that way in early editions.

When you keep in mind that the dermal plating is fairly minimal overall I think you can accept Eiger being on the light side of dermal deposits.

Maybe most of hers are on her forearms, shins and shoulders.

>>46487268
I like to think social issues play a part in the shortened lifespan for Orks and Trolls. They tend to be the most persecuted of the metatypes, and usually live more in ghetto areas.

>>46481669
>>46487264
>>46487490
Why are orcs so best?

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we just iz.

>>46487620
It's cause they're knife-ears, but without being stuck-up dandelion-eaters

>>46487490
well, i was just speaking physically.
I read those parts in Run Faster. I do find it amusing how orks are the most gender equal of the races. Such as starting fist fights when seeing some guy hit a woman.

>>46487517
i figured that because she's a woman she'd have a bit more reasons to look pretty. Hell, her hair is a good indicator. long and blonde.

>>46487620
because their more aggressive lovers

>>46487490

I think the orks have litters got a silent retcon.

I still have them with an increased rate of twins but other parts of the old school goblinoids I've toned down.

In general though I'd say that when they reach puberty which is probably around 9-10 they get flooded with a fuckton of hormones (HGH, testosterone, estrogen in females). These hormones accentuate body mass and muscle growth but the high levels of hormones also tend to cause some cognitive development issue and rage issues.

Think about it if you are a human teacher and your 6th grade class suddenly has a large number of 200+ lbs ragemonster + teenage fuckbunny issues.

Tons of discipline issue lead to most orks getting more or less kicked out of formal education or sent into vocational training programs.

By the time that Ork mental and emotional development catches up with their physical development the damage has already been done.

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>16 bit Razorgirls are best Razorgirls

Kaltenstein is probably doing a troll breeding program in Germany because why the fuck not. Maybe he's selective breeding for more attractive and smarter trolls.

Would be interesting if Eiger was more or less manuevered into joining the gang because she's a deep cover agent for the Trolls and Kaltenstein.

>>46487496
noted.
that sucks when you have a power focus.

>>46487704

>cape
>animu
>catgirl ears

Fuck off m8

>>46483697
Got any more art like that.

>>46487754
you forgot that she's an AI-cyborg who's only 1 year old and in love with the protaganist

>>46487674
Military service is actually pretty decent for many Orks.
Sure it's a comparatively massive chunk of your life, but they treat you well enough, you're off the street, and they accept you from a young age when the education system has abandoned you.

Sure it's not a scientific degree, but do you want your life to be more than half over before you're qualified?

>>46487779
>A.I.
>Giving a shit about age

>>46487674
4e keeps the litters still in place. When they don't have 6 kid, its usually 2 or 3 kids.

well, the average age for girls to hit puberty is 10.5 years as of 2010. i think 8 to 9 would be average for orks. The rage monsters prolly would be girls, while the fuck bunnies would be the boys.

Usually their pack mentality leads to arrests.

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>>46487814
the other AI-cyborgs like Wren are all 700+ years old, so she's a loli AI-cyborg by comparison

>>46487800

Yep, they probably don't take the worst discipline cases but if you are relatively smart and decent at keeping you rage and sex issue under control orks make for ideal troopers.

I actually make Orks be a disproportionate part of most militaries (corp included) because they are buff as fuck and relatively expendable and really you just have to give them body armor an assault rifle and some combat drugs.

Officers still tend to be humans because most Orks can't get into military academies or officer training school.

The Japanocorps are some of the major exceptions as they are racist as fuck but even then I have them using cannon fodder units from Gomi Island on occasion.

>>46487924
Yomi hasn't been a prison island since 2062 though

>>46487824

Also keep in mind that Orks are commonly SINless so they often can't even get into schools because a lot of school administrators are closeted humanis scum.

It's typically better on tribal lands but even then orks tend to be distrusted.

In general though Trolls just get treated like they are bigger, dumber orks by most people as they are rare enough that they don't have much culture.

>>46488004

That's because Catalyst sucks donkey cock. Anyway I run 5e + 2050s setting.

>>46488007
depends on where the orks are born. apparently, Orks are the most populous metahumans and are closing the gap with Humans.

Also depends on the nation as well and what kind of work/programs are available.

>>46488100
>Orks are the most populous metahumans and are closing the gap with Humans.
Japanacorps musta known this for years now.
i wonder what kinda crazy scheme's they've thought up to fix this probrem?

>>46488145
probably nothing.

Japanese people don't fuck enough to support their own population, they probably think orks having litters are the bees knees

>>46488145

Forced sterilization in Imperial Japan and likely "accidental" sterilization of metas in other locations. Offer some free vaccines and ooops wow how did that happen all the trolls and orks who got the vaccine are suddenly sterile. Must be something odd about their biology but the world really didn't need another fucking ork making tons of babies.

>>46488167

I have most middle-class and up families using humanform drones for all sorts of household tasks. Taking care of the elderly, watching and playing with kids, doing some simple cooking and cleaning, etc.

That way the average middle class salaryman can come home after a 12 hour day to a home cooked meal and clean laundry.

Some even get synthskin put on their anthroform drones so that they can satisfy their urges without having to go to a bunraku parlor.

>>46488145
more porn

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>>46487772
Not him, but does this count?

>>46488329
>japan

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>>46488329
Why humanform? We already have vacuum drones, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we have quadcopters doing light dusting, there's Eyebots to watch the kids, or something like pic related for a more interactive one... not to mention that big cleaning drone mentioned in Assassin's Primer, I think (which has a huge commercial model and a smaller residential one).

>>46483740
>deckers are the one essential party role because of all these things that are put there to make them essential
I think that's why people like removing them, anon.

>>46488404

It's an upgrade on waifu pillows.

Still most of the truly hopeless otaku just have primitive AI simsense "girlfriends" that they can customize endlessly.

You know the sort of smart agents that will send you messages at work asking how your day is going, etc.

The Megas tolerate them as long as your work productivity stays acceptably high.

>>46488461
Mr. Handy

>>46488525
>using japanese androids
>not using superior german androids
riiiiight

>>46488461

Anthroform make for better caregivers. Yeah your apartment probably has some primitive roomba vaccum drones but there are some things that a humanform drone would be useful for like tucking in your children because they probably go to bed before you even get home from the office.

>>46484267
>tfw I made a Dryad rigger once out of morbid curiosity on how this would mess with a being of nature
>the DM thought the idea was fun and would let me if I wanted to play her if my human face dies.

Should I actually try to run this?

So, how many extra arms could I put on a humaniform drone?
How high could I get its initiative rating?

How many targets can a drone fire at simultaneously assuming each of its arms is armed with a revolver?

>>46488557

>working for Shaiwase, MCT or Renraku.
>Buying anything other than Japanese gear.

It's like you don't even Japan right.

>>46488594

Seems like a cool concept to me.

Would she refuse to rig anything with a combustion engine?

>>46488620
>you don't even japan right
>I only American right.
>because America is always right.

>>46488557
>"german" androids
>implying you mean anything other than "lofwyr-made" androids
keep eating dragon dick like that and Bad Dragon's gonna call you up with a job for their R&D department.

>>46488701
>not buying dragon-made goods
I get all my shit from dragons, high tier AIs, and other superior beings.
Metahumanity just doesn't have the craftsmanship.

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>>46488622
You have to understand that I am also very new to the setting as a whole, but my understanding was most vehicle that are widely available were all electric? Is the combustion engine still in use by people other than rich people with more money than sense?

Either way neither vehicle she owns has a port for rigging, but she does have vehicle empathy.

>>46488755
all engine types are used

Hybrids. diesels, gasoline, turbofans, electric, liquid coal (yes, liquid coal). biofuel, fuck, prolly even blue crude.

>>46488737
DIDF shill detected.

>>46488667
>electing a dragon President
>right

>>46488800
>not electing a dragon for president
It's like you don't even land of the free.

>>46488780
don't forget multifuel engines - essentially a plasma reactor you can feed stuff to

>>46488780
Well with that newly in mind, I would suspect she would not like combustion engines, but it would be more of a gut feeling sort of dislike, sort of like how some people don't like certain animals.

Is there any device I can feed biomass into and get simple medical supplies out?

Basically those chemical synthesizer implants, but in say a briefcase or medical kit?

>>46488871
Like that thing Doc Brown had on the DeLorean that was fueled by garbage?

>>46488913

Exactly like that.

>>46488880
why? because they are loud, angry and produce disproportionate amounts of power?

>bringing an electric to a muscle car race
do you even fast?

Tru-Fax:

Johnny Spinrad is a massive fan of the Back to the Future franchise so he bought up the rights to the Delorean and manufactures modern versions of the Delorean.

He even has a customized one that he's added aerodyne features so that he has a flying car.

>>46489054
Johnny Spinrad
The most interesting man in the world

>>46489091

I'm pretty sure that Johnny Spinrad has a customized exo-suit in red and gold that he's been known to fight terrorists with when he's not banging supermodels.

What are some must have programs for an Attack based decker?

>>46488986
I would say, trying to rationalize what is essentially what I am trying to play off as an irrational dislike, that electric and by extention hybrid, assuming its gasoline and electric hybrid, engines are so much quieter than combustion, so a run can go so much smoother if you can deploy closer to your team closer to the operation zone than by cruising around in a barking muscle car.

Not a terribly good reason as its something I just never thought about it.

Guys halp, Skulljacks are a thing right?

We have 8 people trying to find it in the different books, Its been 10 minutes.

>>46489234
Chrome Flesh. They're shit.

>>46489255
Actually make that page 452 of core, but they got stealth-patched in Chrome Flesh to be slightly less shit. Then the line manager for SR5 said that the stealth-patch was unofficial and should be ignored.

>>46489234
yes, data jacks are in the skull
partial skulls also are giant ports.

>>46489209
some of the fastest hybrids are quiet as hell. The electric drive tran powers the front wheels, which picks up during the turbo charger's lag. AWD that ignores turbo lag and can get up to 200 miles an hour.

such cars can drive with the gas motor off

>>46489293
Is he also the guy who said to strike off that one bit in Rigger 5.0?

>>46489255

99% of the cyberware in chrome flesh is shit

>>46489298
>>46489293
I see Skilljacks, But not Skulljacks. The Gm said we needed them if we are to interface with anything like Smart-links or cybernetic eyes.

is he retarded?

>>46489372
>is he retarded?
i'm sorry to say, yes.

>>46489372

He's talking datajacks. He also seems to be playing with more or less 2050s era comprehension of the setting.

>>46489372
Does he know about the PAN?

>>46489372
>tfw the gm hasn't read the rules
I know that too well. I once asked a spirit to Move a car and the gm had it physically push it till the cops showed up

I suggest a change to the rules regarding firearms:

>single shot; straight DV, no penalty to hit
>semi-auto burst; +3 DV, -3 penalty to pool
>short burst; +3 DV, -4 penalty to pool
>long burst; +4 DV, -5 penalty to pool
>full auto 6 round burst; +4 DV, -5 penalty to pool
>full auto 10 round burst; +5 DV, -6 penalty to pool

Burst and full auto makes it actually harder to hit, not easier. But if you do hit, the target takes more damage, since more rounds hit him.

Opinions?

>>46489482
For HWAT purpose

>>46489500

To make it less retarded I suppose.

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>>46489372
Yes he's retarded, but we can fix that. When he says you need skulljacks to interface with electronics, what he's trying to say is that you need a DNI, a Direct-Neural-Interface, which is a connection between the brain’s neural impulses and a computer system that allows a user to mentally interact with that system. If you get a Datajack you get a DNI, but there are easier ways like trodes if you don't want cyber.

Here's what the book has to say on page 222 in the core: A direct neural interface, or DNI, connects your brain to electronic devices. Direct neural interface (along with a sim module) is required for VR use, but DNI is also useful for AR in that you don’t need any additional gear like earbuds or an image link to see or hear augmented reality objects. How do you sign up? You get DNI by wearing trodes, or having an implanted datajack, commlink, or cyberdeck. And if you’re using a sim module along with your DNI, you can get a sort of “super AR mode” where you can also feel, smell, and taste your AR experience.

>>46489482

The current defense dicepools would make firing bursts stupid because you'd miss almost all the time.

The idea of bursts are for spray and pray action where you fill the area with bullets and for the most part most of them miss but there is basically no way that you aren't hitting something.

Tight bursts are simulated with the brain blaster action in R&G

>>46489635
>>The current defense dicepools would make firing bursts stupid because you'd miss almost all the time.

Yes, that would be the exact point.

>The idea of bursts are for spray and pray action where you fill the area with bullets and for the most part most of them miss but there is basically no way that you aren't hitting something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cosc-RO_oMg

It decreases your chances to hit a stationary target, much less a moving one.

If you want to "fill the area with bullets", then use defensive grenades.

>>46489697
Oh, you're one of them. Carry on, then

>>46489803

Carrying on carrying on.

>>46488564
>you will never pick up ranks in piloting so you can AR control your manservant drone at home to tuck your child in at night because the man is making you work late nights for the last year
>you will never choke down a drug addiction so that you have the mental fortitude to do your work tasks while VR controlling the manservant drone to home tutor your child in their studies
>you will never wonder if your wife truly loves you, or if the marriage is falling apart at the edges because of the work, the addiction, and the proxy body, despite your best efforts to please everybody
>you will never take the plunge and pull the trigger... right?

Feels sad man

>>46490192
I had a character who did the last one, but he had the HMHVV virus.

>>46490227
>HMHVV virus
>human-meta-human vampiric virus virus

>>46490379
That would be HMHVVV

>>46490410

Oh no! Not the HMHVVV Virus!

>>46490410
No because he said HMHVV virus.

>>46490410
The HMHquadV disease.
Very deadly.

>>46488525
My current rigger has an AR girlfriend running in his home. She's a literal Ares catalog, wears Ares brand athletic clothes, and makes sure he never misses Desert Wars. He cooks her food, buys her things, calls her to say hi on the job. (Did I mention he has 1 CHA?)
Hasn't brought her to work in his gun yet.

>>46490478
Would she leave him if he ran against Ares?

>>46490478

Oh Kreiger-san I have downloaded the new episode of Desert Wars 7 and I have some Ramen Noodles cooking for you.

Maybe you can play on your drum-kit before dinner.

Actually Kreiger is a near perfect Rigger-Techno character.

>Drives awesome van
>Listens to Rush
>VR Waifu
>Possible clone of Hitler

>>46490556
Not currently an issue. We're well collared by Knight Errant. My boy Greg is a massive Ares shill anyway.

>>46489293
Hey Yekka the Ammunition category of the Street Gear is all fucked up. I'm getting double listings for a lot of ammunition.

in 5E do you need a magical license in Seattle or not?

My lore is apparently heavy outdated.

>>46491681
That's.. interesting. What version you on?
>>46491971
Yes.

>>46481531
>ywn waifu Eiger or Glory.

Anyway, I'm currently replaying SRHK and I'm glad Duncan can be my gay bro who I get swole with. Onto, PNP, what should a decker have at CC in their inventory besides the obvious stuff.

>>46492172
>46492172
Latest nightly. I did a quick scan of the street gear, its only happening to the ammunition and curiously the Ultrasonic Noise Generator.

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>>46492264
>>46492172
Forgot this. I'm the guy running override files as well. I just pulled them out and ran stock and its still showing them.

>>46492280
That's odd, it looks like it's only doing it for hard targets. Do you have a custom_books file or something?

>>46492345
>>46492345
No I don't, I have override_weapons, cyberware, and qualities. Its definitely just hard targets btw.

>>46492373
>>46492395
>Posts clearly showing why him having a trip is useful for the thread for bugfixing chummer
>is actually using the trip in the way you demand he only use it since it's in the middle of bugfixing
>Still shitposting (you) all over the thread
We get it. Trips trigger your autism. Now calm the fuck down and stop shitting up the thread. Hell, do you even play shadowrun?

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So I've got some questions about HMHVV, its strains, and how normies will react when they see them.

First of all, I understand that HMHVV is transmitted through any sort of trade in bodily fluids. Would something like a scratch that draws blood still be able to possibly transmit it?

Other than differences in the sub-species, what is the difference between Strain I and Strain II?

Lastly, what is the general populace's opinions and/or reactions towards HMHVV infected and carriers?

If anyone has anything else to add that would be important that I didn't ask, please tell me before I decide whether or not to make an Infected.

Slightly related, my GM is the same as the Anon above who asked about "Skulljacks."

>>46487198

You can get Sorcery up to 7, and specialize in Illusion for another +2, and if you have enough for some Edge, that can provide a reroll of any non-hit dice, which is pretty damn good when you have such a large dice pool.

You can't stack focuses though.

>>46489175

Iron Will Exoskeleton (or walker-modded motorbike) + Vehicle Armour + Mounted Laser Rifle + Jumpjet Mod + Ruthenium paintjob.

Totally doable. There's probably an Exo-Suit Wars show.

How intensely can someone beetlejuice a guy in this game?

Like, objects dancing around, monsters showing up for scares, melting walls, the works.

>>46490227
>>46490379
>>46490410
>>46490421
>>46490425
>>46490475
>>46492834

>HMHVV
>Not MHVV, because humans are a part of metahumanity.

Just look at all this human entitlement.

>>46493287
you're missing Vs there.

>>46493256

You can do all of that.

There's a (not amazing) spell called Poltergeist, which spooks around with loose objects.

Spirits and illusions produce monsters.

Walls can be melted with Manipulation spells, or more illusions.

So, a summoner with some manipulation and Illusion is well on their way to Beetlejuice.

You can also add hallucinogen grenades and holoprojectors for some extra oomph.

>>46493315
this is good to me.
Now I just need to decide if it should be a meaty wizard, or if I want to FULLY COMMIT to the beetlejuice theme and go free spirit.

What do you think, anon on the internet?

>>46489175
Johnny Spinrad gives custom exo-suits to terrorist supermodels he convinces to defect to capitalism and adventure using only the quality of Johnny Spinrad's penis.

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>>46492834
>scratch
that counts as injection for ghouls, along with bites. tho if you fuck a ghoul, you might get it.

>difference between 1 and 2
one is vampires, others are wolf men

>reactions to infected
varies, some nations and cities view them as just people. others completely shun them and put bounties.

>>46493287
you're a dumbass.

>>46493330

Hmmm. Free Spirits do suck balls, unless you're a bit cheesy with them...

But they are great at spooky. Probably one of the better uses of them, as it plays to some of their advantages.

I think if you can swing it with the GM, go for it. At the very least it would be interesting.

>>46493424
>you're a dumbass.

And you're a crypto-humanofascist. Policlub go home!

>>46493424
So, say, in Seattle, would the general populace of the slums to medium class be bothered by a furry Loup Garou walking around, or would it vary from person to person?

Almost as important, probably more, would you recommend someone play one on their first game, or would you recommend playing as a normal metahuman first?

>>46493573
First game, no.

>>46493573
I'd assume they wouldn't be bothered but it'd definitely get strange looks from people as they passed by. I'd probably do a normal metahuman since the setting is new but it's your choice.

>>46493573

There's a bounty on Infected. Dead or alive - and that usually means dead.

They might fight over who gets to scalp you, but that's about it.

Vampires, Ghouls and Nosferatu aren't so hard to play, as they can compensate in various ways and don't necessarily stand out too much.

A loup-garou walking around like it thinks its a person is basically waiting for a bullet.

>>46493474
>dumbass
verdict still stands.

>>46493573
loup garou might be confused with shapeshifters
ghouls actually have street gangs, so you could easily live in one of their territories, but you'd have to get jobs that'd over look your status.
vamps blend right the fuck in.
theeen there's nosferatu, who pretty much run things, they can go a year and a half before having to feed, are really smart, and antisocial.

i would not recommend playing those as a first timer.

>>46489206
All of them. Switch to what is necessary depending on the exact situation.

>>46493681
>loup garou might be confused with shapeshifters

Another prime target for being shanked in a slum and disassembled.

can some one tell me more about johny spinrad

>>46493754
yup, same for mages, mutants, and rich people.

>>46492814
Don't feed the troll. Report and ignore.

>>46488594
Go for it. I play a dryad face with an unusual fascination with fire and interest in flamethrowers.

>>46492453
Shit. One of the merges from a new guy was using old data, from before I regioned everything in the gear.xml file. I'll have to go through it and remove the duplicates. Thanks for spotting it, I'll have it fixed up tonight.

>>46493788
>Johnny Spinrad

He doesn't use drugs because the high of being Johnny Spinrad is more than enough.

He once parachuted into a garden party specifically to annoy the host of that party. Said host was Lofwyr.

He crashed the most expensive yacht in the world into an island, bought the island, then turned the crashed yacht into a mansion.

He made a BTL of himself eating an apple and sold it. It is now the number one best selling BTL ever.

He is the most interesting man in the world.

>>46494022
from what i found online, he bought monaco in first edition and went from a minor background character to...this.

>>46493474
Ah, the age old problem.
A flavorful but mechanically awful metatype, or yet another elfmage or whatever trying to mimic that metatype with greater success

>>46493573
>would the general populace of the slums to medium class be bothered by a furry
No. "Normal" people do weirder things with their bodies than covering it with fur.

> Loup Garou
Prepare for accidental infections during/after combat.

>>46494333
>Sparks an entire outbreak

Ya that would be something my friend does with our fucking GM.

>>46494066
>>46494130
>>46494232
>(you)
is this some kind of shit meme that happened over night? Or am I just simply not in on a retarded fucking joke?

>>46493681
>loup garou might be confused with shapeshifters
Furry hulking humanoid doesn't really equal animal that turns into a human.

>ghouls actually have street gangs
They can't afford to act even half as openly as a non-infected gang. Bounties are bounties, and dual natured is an opportunity to mop up with astral spells.

>>46494387
Tripfag hater. Report, ignore and move on.

>>46494387
It's a catch all complaint against tripfags, as our very existence goes against the nature of the anonymous image board. I'm sure if they could, they'd want tripcodes and post naming to be hard removed from the website.

Also, I've noticed there are some missions books that I don't have in the Mega or the Mediafire. If anyone's got a link to them, I'd be much obliged.

>>46494516
>>46494465
i never even noticed the tripcode as it was just too tiny and i'm too tired.

Howdy everybody, I'm back with another question.

For a face, Should I put points in skills by themselves or should I group them all?

>>46494387
Just one autist sperging out I think.

>>46494687

Priority/Sum-to-10: You'll only be using skill groups for your main skills if you take Skills at Priority A or B. You might consider not taking them as groups so you can more easily take Specializations for your favorite skills.

Karmagen: If you want all the skills in a group, it is more efficient to buy the group. You tend to only want 2/3 of any group, though - so it ends up being a wash. Especially for things like Close Combat or Firearms, there's lots of redundancy.

>>46494741
I took my skills as Priority A, Due to another poster saying it was most important for a face to have so much.

This is what they said to get/do/go Go Skills A,
get the Acting and Influence Groups at 5, grab Intimidate, Disguise and a ranged skill,
max your Charisma
grab Tailored Pheromones 3 or Alphaware Tailored Pheromones 2.
Also invest in First Impression or Blandness and grab more than two Languages

>>46494796

Yeah, that's pretty solid advice.

If you want to be more of a liar, take Acting 6 and Influence 4. Conversely, if you want to be less of a liar, you can take Influence 6 and Acting 4.

You should end up with ~14-16 dice in each social skill that way. Which should be plenty. And then you can spend the rest of your skills on combat stuff, or maybe spellcasting stuff if you're a shaman/face.

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So what does Sleeping Tiger actually look like? The 3e version of it was basically Yakuza-chic from what I've gathered, but they didn't actually bother telling us what it looked like in 5e

>>46494857
First time with the group, So I'm staying as far away as possible from Spellcasting/techno bullshit.

What combat weapons are usually the best for all around purpose in 5E? I plan on getting 4 pistols and a shit ton of bioware.

We have a crazy Shaman bug thing though...

>>46494870

5e isn't clear about what it looks like. I'd assume it's still the same as in 4e, where it was basically yakuza chic with more spikes.
Personally, I imagine it as a Hawaiian-print zoot suit with spikes and obligatory chain necklaces.

>>46494902

Automatics is the most versatile firearm skill.

It gives you concealable options with machine pistols, cheap general-purpose SMG's, and Assault Rifles for when things get serious.

Pistols is never truly high-damage and has really short range, but the options are mostly all legal and all concealable.

Longarms gives access to Shotguns which are good and Sniper Rifles which can be amazingly effective.

Melee skills either require high strength to be effective, or necessitate the use of weapons like Stun Batons, Monofilament Whips, or Shock Gloves that don't care about your Strength.

I love Unarmed with Shock Gloves, personally.

Your GM is allowing a PC bug shaman? I weep for your group.

>>46494902
Everyone swears by automatics but I prefer long arms because Shotguns are OP (throw a long barrel, customized grip, smart link; or for concealability sawed off barrel/stock under a cloak) and you can use sniper rifles.

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>>46495022
>5e isn't clear about what it looks like. I'd assume it's still the same as in 4e, where it was basically yakuza chic with more spikes.
>Personally, I imagine it as a Hawaiian-print zoot suit with spikes and obligatory chain necklaces.

Does this mean I can basically pick what it looks like, within reason?

>>46495022
well I want all my pistols for concealment, but I need a heavy hitter for the runs I think?

Two of us know what the fuck happened last time abunch of bugs got summoned via the lore we've found out. How bad are we looking at a first timer with Bug Shaman?

>>46495030
Really now? Isn't that unfair?

>>46494902
Grab Automatics as skill. It offers you the most options.

Steyr TMP offers the best compromise of firepower, concealability and legality.

If concealment isn't a problem, go for an assault rifle. FN HAR if you have to stay legal, Ares Alpha if you just need to fuck things up.

>>46494870
Yakuza-chic is suits and/or loud shirts.

Sleeping Tiger was/is trog rock + corporate fusion.

>>46495159

If you've got the spare skill points, taking both Pistols and Longarms will let you have effective concealable weapons while also being able to pull out the big guns if you need to deal with something really tough.

Automatics is the skill-point efficient choice, since the same skill handles machine pistols for your concealed-carry and assault rifles for heavy-hitting. They're the middle of the road choices - Holdout Pistols win concealment, Tasers win legality, Sniper Rifles win range and damage, but Automatics can do a solid job at everything.

I wouldn't call shotguns OP, but they can hit hard, potentially hit multiple targets, and reduce enemy dodge pools. Real nice overall. There's even some full-auto and burst-fire versions that are basically impossible to dodge.

Are there sections in one of the books for pre-made enemies, or.. how do we handle that?

>>46495621

Yep. There's a bunch around page 380 of the core book and a few others scattered around other books.

>>46495621
Core rulebook has grunts, Run Faster has sample contacts, Data Trails has stats for spiders.

If you want really memorable opponents, you should build them like PC's.

>>46495273
My face/sammy hybrid has taken to carrying around a Winchester 201 with the barrel sawed off and stock removed. Still relatively simple to conceal (thank the spirits for dusters), accurate as fuck, and hits way harder than any pistol.

>>46495159
>How bad are we looking at a first timer with Bug Shaman?
Considering he will literally have to stick goddamn bug monsters into living people, and what happened in Bugtown, I would say it's a very, very bad idea.

At least a ghoul could just eat criminals and people he already killed on the job. A bug shaman by his very nature is trying to destroy the world. It is also a very bad tradition for a PC, since it's... well, incredibly powerful.

>>46496183
His known to betray people in all his groups for shits and giggles, I'll watch him closely.

Also, Can anybody help explain this example to me. Taro has Escape Artist 6 and Agility 5. His threshold to escape from the cuffs is 3. He rolls 11 dice (6 + 5) scoring exactly 3 hits!

How did he score only 3 hits when he got an 11?

>>46496219
His dice pool is 11 (from the 6 Escape Artist and 5 Agility). This means that he rolls 11 D6. A standard success is 5 or 6, and threshold 3, means he needs 3 hits (rolling a 5 or 6) on 11 D6.

Also Bug Shaman is a massive red flag and you should probably talk him into playing a different character.

>>46496219
Seriously, talk to the GM. A Bug Shaman is not only overpowered as fuck, it is quite literally a dude whose end goal is to kill the entire party. If he at least was just Toxic he could play it as some kind of eco-terrorist luddite.

>>46496275
>>46496257

Also thank you for explaining the rolls, This time using the D6's. Are critc failures/passes a thing in this? I know glitches exist but that's for the matrix?

His normal goals and other groups have him killing the party, GOD DAMN IT.

>>46496320
Glitches/critical glitches are for all rolls, not just the matrix.

Bug shamans will be killing the party, and anyone outside of the party who finds out about him will be too (assuming you don't kill him first).

>bug shaman
First time someone successfully assense his aura - he is dead.
First time he summon bug spirit and someone see it - he is dead.
You don't even need to do it yourself, just send friendly anonymous message to any big corp and in 3 minutes you get united HTR team drop from every AAA corp in city. And maybe even airstrike.

>>46496351
Oh.. So anything for good rolls?

Also Bug magic has been banned until we get a better understanding of the system as a whole.

>>46496436
Look into edge, there's at least one use that uses overflowing 6s (6 counts as a success and gets rolled again, possibly another success etc.)

Banning bugs is a good idea. You should steer him away from Toxin and Blood magic also

>>46496470
I didn't take any besides the starting one. I'm a dwarf.

What's a disease that will produce long term coughing-up-of-blood?
The cyber-consumption?

Hi /tg/, GM here,

my Group is at the moment on the metaplane of the nordic religion. (Don't ask, I bend the rules, so they all could go there with their physical bodys).
Perhaps they will be able to come back to the real world in the near future.
Would you send them back to where they entered the metaplane? (In this case the Färöer islands.) Or somwhere completly different? Perhaps a place of importance for the religion?
Would you have the time move at the same speed as in meatspace or would it be different? I could imagine 2 seconds after they left (in this case, they are fucked) or 1 Month for every day they were in the metaplane?

What would be a fun thing for you to experience as a player?

>>46496898
To cough blood you need a damaged lung. Lungcancer would be nice.

>>46496931
That might work.
I've become fond of the idea of a high quickness, very low body character.
One of those on-borrowed-time types.

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Hoi, quick question:

Why would I want my drones (or my RCC) running an Electronic Warfare autosoft? I haven't played yet so I don't know.

But reading through the books I can't think of any circumstance I wouldn't just use my own EW skill.

>>46484462
>Being able to brick everyone's weapons at the drop of a hat would make sammies fucking useless
Bricking a weapon is only useful if their gun is triggerless.

You can still shoot a bricked gun, and open a bricked door. It says so as per RAW.

>>46497062
If you have a low EW skill. Or if you get shot and your pal has to log into your RCC and there's enemy deckers and they need to keep your drones online oh my god how do you keep these things in the air THEY'RE SHOOTING AT US SPIRITS ON A FUCKING STICK

>>46497062
As a precaution. There may come a time when you won't be able to use your own skill. It's not a high priority, but it's nice to have for those moments when you can't jump in directly, same as any autosoft.

>>46497062
Due to sensor array shenanigans, electronic warfare autosoft is effectively clearsight autosoft plus plus. Exactly how useful the extra EW abilities are to pilot programs is questionable, but there's no reason not to not take it.

>>46497062
A basic drone doesn't really have uses for the EW skill. But if you mod its electronics as to give it a Sleaze attribute, it can then use the "Hide" matrix action to get back invisible in the virtual world.

How good are spirits at technical things?

If I contract a spirit under orders to get a high score at a local arcade, how would that go down?

>>46481829
Mine was a blonde elf bitch with a sword.
Gaichu and she turned into a sword-wielding tag-team of death and glory.
Great character.
Fucking awesome game.

>>46497734
Given that magic explicitly doesn't gel with tech, I'd say it would end up pretty horribly. Add to this that the spirit comes from a metaplane that probably doesn't have any electronics.

>>46497825
I am more certain than ever that I have to abuse my magical powers to make this happen.

>>46497452
See >>46497335. Whilst a regular drone might not need EW, it can stand in for Perception or Clearsight on any drone, and does other stuff as well. Hell, I plan on buying some drones with mods for matrix stealth (add a rating and up it by three) specifically so I can slap EW, Maneuvering and Stealth onto them and have little sneak bots capable of breaking into places for me. They'll be damned expensive, but they'll do the job.

>>46497873
Hey, magic exists to be abused! What's the fun in breaking the laws of physics if you can't enslave sapient beings for your own amusement?

Every time I see an interpretation of drone armour modding it seems to be different, even in chummer5. What is the definitive correct interpretation?

>>46483697
See>>46484078

>>46484159
Shadowrun has to be the toughest game I've ever run.
And if that makes the group happy, then you're doing the work.
But, that guy is still right. You have total godlike control of a world where everything always goes sideways. Keeping a whole party in action is an achievable goal, regardless of types.

Should I report issues on the nightly builds of chummer on the github thing?

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>>46496911
>Would you send them back to where they entered the metaplane?
that would be up to who sent them back; a Norse god would do business very differently than a hag living in a forest of iron and ice.

>Would you have the time move at the same speed as in meatspace or would it be different?
time-wise, i treat all metaplane's as no different from the rest of astral space. 1sec in there is 1sec in here.

>What would be a fun thing for you to experience as a player?
anything involving Nifelheim would be dope.

>>46498758
or it's a badly written bot.

>>46498846
Rude.

>>46497958
>and does other stuff as well
No it doesn't. Unless you mod your drone to have a Sleaze attribute, there is no difference whatsoever between the applications of an EW or Clearsight autosoft.

>>46499016
If you're running it on an RCC, it can be given to drones, which means you only need one of the drones on the RCC to be modded to have a Sleaze rating to use it as a signal interceptor or an Attack rating to use it as a jammer (which, I believe, stacks with any jammers you mount on the thing)

>>46498736
It makes it a bit easier for me, yes.
>>46498271
Chummer's implementation of the new armour modding isn't what you'd call ideal. Whole thing's a bit of a clusterfuck as far as the rules go though.

>>46496275
>A Bug Shaman is not only overpowered as fuck

The rest is true, but they're really not overpowered in practice - they can hardly ever actually use their spirits for anything.

As soon as a single recording of their summoning gets loose, they and the rest of the party are slapped with a massive bounty and the rest of the game becomes quite exciting, briefly.

So really they'd just be using regular spells for the most part, while building up a hive in Redmond or Puyallup.

>>46499699
>signal interceptor

You need a mark to use Snoop. What are you going to do, hack the target's (master) and Spoof Command/Control Device it into inviting a mark from your drone?

>jammer
Meh... Could work if you load it on a modded drone directly. Although you'd need a way to communicate with the damn thing that doesn't rely on the Matrix. Two hits on the Jam Signal test and it effectively cuts its own wireless off. (Which would be hilarious if the EW soft was loaded on a RCC, since the drone would jam itself out of the instructions how to jam.)

>>46497734

Depends what that involves.

If it's an AR or VR arcade, then unless the spirit is a possession spirit it has no way to interact without careful custom design of an interface that registers to astral vision.

Otherwise, you go for a Task or Guardian spirit, and they'd probably do okay as long as you explain things well. Voodoo is good for this kind of thing.

They'd need to look human though, or they'll cause a fuss.

>>46500120
I will probably bind some kind of chinese wish dragon into doing it.
With its dragon claws.
Yeaaaah

>>46499844
Yeah. Personally I interpreted it as follows:

1 Mod Point = 3 Armour Points
Without taking penalties, you can get up to 3x your body.
Each 3 armour above your default armour consumes a mod point.
You pay full price as if you had replaced the whole armour, though.

I suppose we'll need to wait for the official statement by whoever actually wrote this.

>>46500105
If you have sleaze, you can Hack On The Fly to get that one mark.

Also, >>46499699 Hate Fish, did you see that post a few threads back about modding the RCC with a sleaze rating and how to work things from there?

>>46500287

Hell, if you talk to the arcade owners, they might even pay you.

Having a chinese wish dragon chilling and breaking high scores is sure to draw customers.

>>46500344
I have to include something in its contract about also beating challengers at fighting games.

>>46500339
>If you have sleaze, you can Hack On The Fly to get that one mark.

You (as the rigger using the RCC) can have your RCC mark a target if it is modded for Sleaze/Stealth, yes. But it's your drone that will need one mark if you want it to Snoop while you're doing something else.

>>46499844
Shit. I gotta make an account for this bitch to make an issue.

>>46500428
Your drones can also use hack on the fly if they have a sleaze attribute.
A more useful use of a sleaze attribute would be to use a Hide action in the matrix, so deckers just can't see them, which is more useful.

>>46500574
>useful use of a
>which is more useful.
Christ I really need to proofread my posts more.

>>46500574
>Your drones can also use hack on the fly if they have a sleaze attribute.

Without the Hacking skill? (that, unlike Electronical Warfare, cannot be taken as an Autosoft)

>Make a deal with a free spirit to exchange luck for magic
>Become ridiculously powerful spellcaster
>Suddenly ghouls
>No Edge to spend
>AIDS
>Live in the sewers
>Spend all the awesome spirit magic on staying hidden
Never make a deal with a free spirit.

So let's get serious here;

We all know that Damien Knight was, in all likelihood, a Shadowrunner Face before he decided to go corporate, right?

>>46500344

Lofwyr; Pinball Wizard.

>>46500790
Here's the secret that everybody keeps on the DL. Everyone is a shadowrunner.

Everyone.

>>46500815
But does he really have such supple wrists?

Question about loup-garous: Just how extensive is their physical transformation? We talking full-scale wolfman in permanent state, or just a bit of extra body hair, claws and sharper teeth - at least up until the lunar cycle, and THEN they wolf out altogether?

Just sorta pondering on it in so far as the idea of a character who is a loup-garou perhaps being able to hide what they are by doing stuff like shaving or waxing, and a bit of regular manicure/dentistry.

>>46500855

That depends.

How ruinous is leonization to your skin? Is it like full complete rejuvenation or is it like botox and face stapling?

Cause the latter means his whole body feels like a vinyl floor.

>>46500856
We're talking visage with lupine traits, elongated ears, fingers turning into claws and weirdly bending legs.

It might be doable to hide it with some effort, but it's an "always wearing the mask" kind of effort.

>>46500902
That's what I was wondering about, yeah. Whether it was something you could hide overall, like being a vampire, up until the lunar cycle, or if you were pretty much fucked the same way ghouls are.

>>46500902
The legs don't actually bend, the ankle just extends and shin shrinks. Four-legged species actually step on their toes.

>>46500955
Neat. I did not know that.

>>46500856

I believe loup Garou are more like 1960s wolf man, maybe closer to the shitty 2014 or whenever Wer movie where you kinda look human but lunar cycle makes you more feral and hairy faced.

I think wolf shifters are where you get Howling-face. I might be wrong though.

>>46500943
In-between both those extremes, I'd say. You should be able to pass off for fully human with a hoodie, gloves, loose clothes and a breathing mask. (Except those moments where you go berzerk and better chain yourself up in a basement.)

>>46500955
I stand corrected, but it's still a distinctive 'mark' of being infected a loup-garou would have to hide.

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>>46500972
Basically, plantigrade animals like humans and bears use their whole foot/hand. Digitigrade animals like dogs and cats walk on their fingers and toes. Unguligrade animals like horses and cows walk on their nails (which have developed into hooves to support their weight).

>>46500975
>>46501031
Hmm, so facial disfiguration is pretty much the main guaranteed part that fucks you over in terms of getting to walk around in public, I take it. I mean, the ears you can pass off, you could probably shave or cut your hair in places and whatnot else.. but I guess your face is fucked?

>>46501031
>>46500955
>>46500902
I'm not seeing anything on the legs. Loup-garou are permanently hairy and borderline berserk for a few days each month, but they don't physically change after being infected.

>>46500975
Wolf shifters are wolves that can turn human in the span of about 3 seconds.

>>46501191

Keep in mind that mod culture has lead to certain populations (the ones that tend to run with Runners) have lead to a lot of bizarre freaks with fucked up faces and a well shaved loup garou could potentially be passed off as a particularly ugly Ork. Add to that a decent disguise skill with a nice make up kit and you could probably pass with only occasional concerned glances. If you were feeling dangerous you might go to a nice area's Starbucks and order a small soykaf and see how long it takes for a grass eater to call the police on you.

>>46500428
How do you even get those kind of mods on your RCC? Homebrew stuff? None of the programs in Data Trails seem to be permitted for RCCs.

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So does anyone think there might be some Toxic Bug Totems out there? I mean, if a Toxic Totem or the likes is sort of something that inverts or subverts the original meaning or ideals of a Spirit and their intended purpose, and Bug Spirits are all about that whole 'for the hive', collective mentality.. would a Toxic Bug Spirit be some kind of Bug that actively rebels against the rest of its kind for whatever reason?

Following that train of thought, might a Toxic Bug Spirit and a (meta)human host thus be something that is more of a parasitic/symbiotic relationship rather than the one where the Bug Spirit guzzles up the host's soul or dumps it out to wear them like a flesh suit? Thus resulting in some kind of hybrid insectoid/humanoid entity that would probably fuck up bugs and non-bugs alike.

..And then make it an adept.

>>46501413
The Odd Mods section of Data Trails is a bit fuzzy on what you can do it to. (It just says devices, so that should include RCCs, some clothes, some drinks, and your cyberware.)

And one thing that people overlook is that the list on 269 of the core isn't exhaustive. Just immediately useful.

>>46501413
A RCC is a Device. Add A Matrix Attribute combined to Increase a Matrix Attribute gives it a Attack or Sleaze of 2. Same goes for any drone. (Data Trails pg. 66)

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>>46501514
>>46501522
Neat, thanks.

>>46501547
Note that if you have Hardware toolkit you can strip soda cans for a quarter of an electronics part.

You're at -4 dice, but you should honestly have enough dice to be reasonably sure to get that one hit even with the penalty.

>>46501263
5e describes them as such:

The transformation is often a brutal one; many loup-garou are left in a feral state, but this is not universal. Physically, the victim is considerably changed. Ears become elongated, the nostrils flare and are more pronounced, the lips draw back from sharpened teeth. The canines are particularly pronounced, and the fingernails harden into claws.

Dunno where the legs thing came from, though. But even then, it's enough to warrant camouflage.

>>46501620
I see your soda can and raise you 10 RFID Tags for one nuyen.

Each one is an independent device (it's specifically mentioned in the description), you can roll to scavenge each one ndependently by RAW.

I decline responsability for any physical violence visited upon you with extreme prejudice by your GM if you attempt this.

>>46501431

You're not seeing the big picture, Lois Lane.

Cordysep Spirits.

>>46501761
>Cordysep Spirits.
The fuck're those?

>>46501721
Honestly, either one runs into the bigger problem of probably not being actually that time effective.

Yes, it's hundreds of times cheaper. But you just spent almost two hours doing it. You might as well just edge a roll on some shmuck's commlink.

How would those werewold guys work with adept abilities such as facial sculpt and hair control? I'm guessing nobody would ever know about your condition short of analysing your blood if you were smart with your adept powers.

>>46501799

Cordyceps are parasitic fungi. They infect insect brains, grow a stalk and kill whole hives.

>>46501858
..Fucking parasects.

>>46501837
depends on wether it counts as "maladies". If yes anyone that gets 3 hits on an assensing test knows you are infected.

>>46501884
HMHVV is explicitly covered under that. So yeah, anyone with a reasonable ability to perceive auras will notice you're infected.

It's also worth keeping in mind that with HMHVV becoming an issue, screening processes have become more effective. Your SIN has information on your biometric data for a reason, after all.

If you're infected you're unlikely to stay under the radar.

>>46501884
>>46501988

Intiate grade, masking. Poof, done.

>>46502056
Assuming that they don't get more hits than your Magic+grade roll.

>>46501354

Yeah, but the whole "mod yourself to look like a flesh-form spirit or hideous infected" thing is never going to be acceptable anywhere outside of a slum - and in the slum, it's liable to get you killed.

>>46501431

There probably are Toxic Bugs - but the entire point of bugs is being so radically alien to our perceptions that we're intrinsically enemies.

Unless they came with extra grisly special effects (and regular Insect spirits already go the Cronenburg route), it's going to be hard to tell them apart from normal Bugs or Toxic mages.

There are already Insects that aren't all for the hive - those might be their equivalent of Toxic spirits.

>>46502091
there's masking foci to help with that

>>46502056

A modified Manascape spell would add another layer of protection - it's pretty easy to make that very hard to bypass.

>>46502096
Well, it's a fun concept, if nothing else. A bug teaming up with its host because it wants to fuck up the rest of the bugs.

>>46502170
>because it wants to fuck up the rest of the bugs.
sure thing it's going to fuck them up
and then they will fuck you up because they STILL want to stay in our world and the only way to do that is to use our souls as cocoons

I'm trying to make an Elven Street Sam with a focus on swordfighting and right now I'm rolling eighteen dice: 7 att + 2 Muscle Toner + 6 Blades + 2 spec + 1 reflex recorder. Is there anything else I can be doing to get extra dice on attack roll that isn't cyberlimbs/going over 12R?

>>46502343
Exceptional Attribute and Metagenic Improvement.

>>46502343
If you can find something to give you an extra point of reach, that's almost as good as an extra die.

Not exactly, because it's loss on their end, but it comes close enough for runner work.

>>46502343

Since it's melee, you get an easy +2 by charging your opponent.

There are other situational modifiers for melee attacks, like the +2 from Superior Position (which you can get in numerous ways: being behind your target, being above your target, having clear vision while your opponent's vision is limited, etc.).

>>46502343
>Dip into adept for "Improved Ability (Blades)
>Brand Loyalty (Whoever makes that brand of sword, or just have it be ruled for that type of sword (katana, bastard, longsword, etc)) for a +1
Although, 6 net hits are basically going to hit anything in melee, not many things have 18 dodge pool.
Be sure to keep in mind the accuracy of your sword.

>>46502343
Aside from dipping into adept, not much you can do, I think. Do any of the martial arts confer flat bonuses to sword attacks?

>>46502366
>>46502398
>>46502420
>>46502424

Thank you all for the help. Which book is Metagenic Improvement in? I can't find it.

>>46502475
chrome flesh

>>46502475
Run Faster, it's under SURGE so if you want to be sure you get it then you need to be a SURGE class III

>>46502282
Isn't that the essence of the 'heroic monster' that turns on its own kind? It's outnumbered but fights anyway, for whatever reason. Who knows, perhaps actually sharing a body with a human rather than hijacking it for themselves grants it an edge somehow.

>>46502612
I think the issue that >>46502282 was getting at is that even a Toxic Bug is going to be like the normal end of Parasite Eve.

Yes, it is getting rid of the strain that is setting people on fire and making monsters out of animals, but this is only because they're threats. Once the area is clear, the mitoch- er, Toxic Bug is still going to start hollowing out people.

Hey /SRG/ I have played 2 characters before (a street sam and an infiltrator) and I was wondering if you could play as a full on headcase (like Plan 9) and if so what benefits / drawbacks / roleplaying quirks would an AI have in a human body?

>>46502720
Stolen Souls has the rules for Headcases, if I recall.

>>46502855
Thanks, I do not have that splatbook, I'll pick it up soon

>>46501858

Thing is Cordysep Spirits sound like a great thing but as a base fungal thing with a very simple role if such a creature did exist it would probably work to infect the host and spread the infestation further.

One could fluff the fungus as the end result of Corruption by a Toxic Spirit and it would still kinda make sense (although Fungus isn't really one of the Pollutants that are known).

Instead the assumption would be that a spirit's corruption would result in what we would closest relate to Cordysep, in the same way that Bug Spirits aren't really Bug Spirits but other world monsters that seem to move and act and spread in the same manner as real world bugs.

However, importantly, what I refer to as Cordysep Spirits would not, in >>46501431 suggestion, be just a rebel against the Hive.

In true toxic spirit fashion it would still be an aggressively dangerous and violent entity bent on corrupting everyone and thing it touches. In fact, it's aggressiveness might directly amplify the aggressive nature of the Bug Spirit, leading to a spirit monster that would be the literal worst of both worlds.

So it would still be an awful idea to be a Cordysep Mage. It might start out like Mantis Mages but in days you'd have Seattle swarming with an airborne fungal spray and you'd be using innocent people as vessels for them.

And just like Cordyseps you'd all end up dead.

>>46502720
>>46502855
Keep in mind that the rules for headcases are very clearly not meant for PCs, what with the infinitely replicating nanites and all that stuff.

What's wideband hearing? I got it as some kind of temporary side effect from a big background count

>>46502969
You can hear stuff out of the normal range of human hearing, for example, dog whistles.

Anyone else feel annoyed by how much overlap there is in skills? Con, impersonate, disguise; survival, tracking; the million mechanics and driving skills; firearms...

They have a specialisation system in place that could cover a lot of them. Medical (first aid); Firearms (long weapons); Con (Impersonation).

It's exactly like move silently and hide in previous D&D editions where everyone just houseruled them as stealth.

>>46503352
>It's exactly like move silently and hide in previous D&D editions where everyone just houseruled them as stealth.

Which doesn't help much when you need to know if you're moving silently or hidden from view - because invisibility is technically a massive hide bonus.

Oversimplification is just as bad.

The real problem is that skills remain overpriced, and 5e doubled the range of possible skill to keep players being shit compared to canon snowflakes.

>>46503352
The part of it that annoys me is 'ware/powers being specific on what skills they help with.

For example, facial sculpt helps you be someone else, as long as you're not trying to be someone specific.

>>46503404
But then again, SR 5E DOES combine move silently and hiding into stealth.

I don't agree with oversimplification, but it flat out doesn't make sense that a master impersonator wouldn't be able to disguise himself.

>>46503467
I'm pretty sure that it will help you look like somebody specific, but it won't help you act like that specific person.

So while it aids disguise, it doesn't do much for Impersonation.

>>46503555

Well, it should give you circumstancial bonuses to your rolls, since you physically look like the person.

>>46503526
Disguise and impersonation are different skills though.
Impersonation is talking, walking, moving, like a specific person.
Disguise is being able to make yourself look like something you're not.
There are specific rules for the two being used at the same time, in that you can use impersonation to bolster a disguise, but either can stand alone.

>>46503711
That's basically what Disguise + Impersonate does. You get to add together the successes on both the Disguise rolls and the Impersonate rolls to make it much, much more difficult to see through your ruse.

So if you've got Facial Sculpt + Intuition as most of your Disguise pool, you'll probably get a few hits, and those add on to your Impersonation + Charisma roll's hits to make it harder to see through.

>>46503711
You can use disguise to boost an impersonation roll and vice versa.
If you've got a disguise that looks like someone and you are acting like that someone, you can do both a Disguise+Intuition for the initial disguise, and then a Impersonation+Charisma for when you interact with someone, and add the hits together for the opposed test against their perception.
SR5, pg 136

>>46503781
Fair enough, but it still overlaps with con.

>>46503911
And I'd say that the overlap is why they're in the same skill group, but the differences in application are why they're different skills.

>>46503911
To a degree, but con is mostly just convincing someone you are telling the truth, while impersonation is mimicking mannerisms, posture, gait, etc
Both are similar, and as such they fall under the same skill group.

>>46503974
But skill groups are supposed to share similarities, it's why you can advance them as a group.

I appreciate that they're trying to prevent characters from becoming masters of all, and that the whole grouping system would break if I just started combining things, but I still think some streamlining is in order. It's very counter-intuitive and skills overlap

>>46504218
Perhaps a houserule of allowing characters to use skills in the same group, at a -2 (or maybe half their rating) penalty would fix the issue, so you can feel your way through with a sniper if you're good with a rifle, but you're not going to be as good as the guy who is skilled with both snipers and rifles.

>>46504282

Then again, not using the weapon for which you have speciality already confers a -2 dice pool.

>>46504341
>Then again, not using the weapon for which you have speciality already confers a -2 dice pool.
I'm not sure what you mean, having a specialty in something gives you a +2 in that one specific thing, not a -2 to everything else, the +2 is the exception, not the rule.

Upon thinking a bit more half ranks seems pretty extreme since people could just max out one thing at 6 and effectively get 12 skillpoints out of it, maybe something like Ranks/3 round down.

>>46504282
That's pretty much what p 130 says.

>>46504341
I'm not sure where you get that.

>>46504389
>>46504384

Well compared to when you are using the weapon you have specialisation with, you do effectively run at a 2 dice penalty.