/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General:

>Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General
>Monday-Tuesday
polite sage

Which race has a history of sword and board knights?

>>46167742
My guess would be bretons (feudal as fuck), colovians, and the nibense. I reckon the other races got their own caste that fills the role of the knight, but those are the ones I'd place the traditional knight archetype with.

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>>46167742
Not really knights, but I'd say Redguards and Orismer.
Also, Bretons are known for their knights.
Also, Check out this store front.

>>46167953
Fucking ant shops, ruining our economy.

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>>46167671
Uuh, let's chalk it up to a dragon break.

>>46168076
Well, it's better than the old Captchas.

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>>46167671
If the threads continually hit past bump limit, I don't see the problem continuing into the weekday

On another note, would skyrim be a much better game if you were someone aiding the last dragonborn rather than the LDB himself? It would at least not make you feel bad for being mer or beast race

>>46165864
The "Pig" is likely Talos

>>46168392
> would skyrim be a much better game if you were someone aiding the last dragonborn rather than the LDB himself?

Na, I doubt it. What they should have done is make the main storyline more political and soaked in lore than it was; ie a bit more like Morrowind's. It's very difficult to escape the feeling of playing "the wrong race"; even if the story was written to accomodate as many combinations as possible, there's always going to be one or two clear favourites. Male dunmer nerevarine, male human CoC, male nord LB etc. I fear getting rid of that would make the main storyline wishy washy, but what they could do is add more alternative stuff for the raced that aren't in focus. I'm thinking along the lines of extra, race-specific quests that would at the very least *acknowledge* what kind of character you decided to play rather than treat you like an amorphous, protagonist blob.

>>46168392
>On another note, would skyrim be a much better game if you were someone aiding the last dragonborn rather than the LDB himself?
I don't want to play Oblivion 2.

>>46168637
This. And quests in general shouldn't have been forced down your throat.

>>46168757
FUCKING THIS. THIS KILLS THE PACING TO ME

>>46168628
Talks wasn't a being at that point though.

>>46169227
Talos, autocorrect.

Reminder that the Mer are more diverse and better than man

>>46169227
>>46169247
Talos the mortal

>>46169255
Tell me about the different cultures of Alinor.

>>46169365
The pig is the one who instructed him to seek out Talos/Tiber in the first place.

>>46169416
Where is that said?

>>46169470
The Remanada, which is what we're taking about.

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>>46169365
This

>>46169509
That's not what I'm asking you
Where in the Remanada is it said that the Pig told him to meet Talos?

>>46169553
"Only later would it be revealed that Renald did this thing to come closer to Talos, anon Stormcrown, the glorious yet-emperor Tiber Septim; only later still, that he was under instruction by a pig."

He was under instructions by a pig to come closer to Tiber.

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>>46169365
Not today you filthy mer

>>46169767
Talos the betrayer

>>46169255
There's the same number of Man, Mer, and Betmer, since Orismer are more or less considered Betmer.
Bosmer, Altmer, and Dunmer.
Breton, Nord, Cyrodil.
Khajiit, Orc, and Argonian.

>>46169587
Nothing about that line implies the Pig instructed him to go to Talos. In fact the use of the word "later" implies that said line chronologically occurs after he meets Talos.
Renald pledges himself to Cuhlecain with the sole intention of coming into the service of Talos.
He is therefore under the instruction of Talos.

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>>46169804
Talos the GOD

>>46169767
I'm talking about Talos of Atmora. The man not the god.

>>46169805
>Manmer
>Orsimer
>Catmer
>not Mer
Also there's Maormer and the nearly extinct Falmer.

Quick question, do you guys actually shield bash in Skyrim?

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>>46169914
>Talos of Atmora
>Not the revision Talos the God made.

>>46169878
I think you missed
>Only later would it be REVEALED... only later still, that he was under instruction by a pig

This implies that he was under instruction from the "pig" all along.

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>>46169914
You were pretty clear on that
I'm just fucking around

>>46169962
Are you saying Talos used his godly powers to change history to make himself look like he was always one person?

That would make sense but it's the first time I've heard it

>>46169976
Or it could alternatively be interpreted that Renald would later discover that Talos is not the man he expected him to be.
The whole thing is incredibly vague.

Sorry if this is a stupid question. Where did the Sload, the Kothringi, the Lilmothiit came from? Their origins? My speculation is that the Kothringi evolved from the Nedes who settled in Black Marsh.

>>46169950
I rarely used bashing in vanilla. If modded, hell yes.

>>46169950
I've managed a few times to stagger enemies enough with a crossbow to pull back.

>>46169950
First char (and highest level DB of mine) was a sword and board, heavy armor healer.

I bashed the life out of absolutely everything.

>>46170094
The Kothringi did.

>>46170094
Ehlnofi, nedes, nedes.

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>>46169925
Manmer are men with elven ancestors.
Orismer, through Morrowind soundfiles, don't consider themselves, and even show disdain for elves.
Catmer is not a thing, no matter how much you wish it was.

If you want to go out of game, then Cyrodil is both Nibenese, and Colovian. All but two Falmer are corrupted to the point where they are fallen like goblins. You might as well try and say Dwemer are around because of Yagrum.

Weird, almost like those races fill different roles. And three sets of three, like that specific number might be relevant to lore.

>>46170173
Yeesh, must've had the stamina to spare, or did you make vegetable soup? I rarely bash unless I'm casting magic because I think power attacks are better since they not only stagger, but also do more damage.

>>46170213
Except Khajiit being mer has literally been the explanation for Arena's humanoid Khajiit from the get go. The only major non-man race that's firmly outside of mer territory is Argonian, Nibenean, Nord/Imperial and Redguard are really the only firmly mannish races, not counting what might be left of the men of Akavir, assuming they're not just the ancestors of the Nibeneans.

>>46170020
Yeah. He originally was a Breton from Highrock named Hjalti Early-Beard, who became a general, and through treachery, became an emperor and then a god.
Being a god, he retroactively made himself an Atmoran. I want you to think about Atmora. There's nothing there, and nobody but frozen kings and giants remain.

>>46170251
Had the stamina to spare and it amused me. Even on legendary, and with some mods, I could bash weak enemies to death.

Was also fun bashing things off of cliffs, or at least trying to.

Or waiting for a Draugr to pop out of a casket, then bashing it once as it was equipping weapons. Would cause the 'ready' and equip animations to repeat so long as I kept it up.

>>46170286
>>46169925
>Catmer
Goddamn it, not this faggot again.
Elven Ancestry =/= Elf.

>>46170357
>muh Notes on Racial Phylogeny
The only reason orcs are considered a beast race is this book and it was obviously written by the kind of moron who, irl, would have bled you to cure hemophilia.

>>46170286
>Except Khajiit being mer has literally been the explanation for Arena's humanoid Khajiit from the get go
It actually hasn't
It's never been stated what the breed in Arena is but given the fact they look like Humans, and not Elves, they are likely Ohmes-Raht.
Khajiit are not Elves and they are not Men, they are however able to look like them.

>>46170316
It's not the only active truth that he is now an Atmoran

In c0da TalOS is referred to as a manmer

>>46170408
>Khajiit are not Elves and they are not Men, they are however able to look like them.
So like Bosmer.

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>>46170397
>would have bled you to cure hemophilia.

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>>46170397
>it was obviously written by the kind of moron
Are you serious right now? The best, most scientific lorebook on Tamrielic phylogeny, written by a council of healers, is somehow wrong because your head canon?

>>46170444
No, not like the fucking Bosmer, because the fucking Bosmer are fucking Ehnlofey!
Jesus fucking christ!

>>46170467
Supposedly learned men were into crazy racial pseudo-science in the early 1900s, why wouldn't a fantasy council of healers be capable of being incorrect?

>>46170444
Bosmer have Merish digestive, reproductive, and integumentery systems.
Khajiit do not.

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>>46170518
not the guy you were responding to btw.

>>46170519
>reproductive

mfw barbed dicks as confirmed by barenziah's boi

>>46170467
>hurrr, we don't think Orcs can reproduce with mer or men, also they're a beast race
It's the closest we have to anything resembling a scientific approach. It doesn't mean it's accurate or even scientific. You remind me of renaissance doctors clinging desperately on Galenus when he based his studies of the human reproductive system on fucking rabbits.

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Why does the world/the gods/bethesda hate the Dark Elves so much
Like damn they were pieces of shit but jesus 200 years of nothing good happening to them is just fucked

>>46170467
>council of healers
>healers
>implying Restoration is a valid school of magic
t.shitposter

>>46167742
Imperials, most definitely. Redguards probably, Bretons maybe. Nords and Orcs could, but they seem to lean more towards the two-handed barbarian route.

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>>46170601
>200 years of nothing good happening to them

That's the point of the dunmer life. Strife breeds strength.

Also it probably turns them on.

>>46170518
Except there is no actual reason to believe they are wrong.
What's next, Magic from the Sky is wrong, since the author is human?
>>46170586
I'm not even referring to Orcs, you retard.
Also,
>The reproductive biology of orcs is at present not well understood, and the same is true of goblins, trolls, harpies, dreugh, tsaesci, imga, various daedra and many others. Certainly, there have been cases of intercourse between these "races," generally in the nature of rape or magickal seduction, but there have been no documented cases of pregnancy. Still the interfertility of these creatures and the civilized hominids has yet to be empirically established or refuted, likely due to the deep cultural differences. Surely any normal Bosmer or Breton impregnated by an orc would keep that shame to herself, and there's no reason to suppose that an orc maiden impregnated by a human would not be likewise ostracized by her society. Regrettably, our oaths as healers keep us from forcing a coupling to satisfy our scientific knowledge. We do know, however, that the sload of Thras are hermaphrodites in their youth and later reabsorb their reproductive organs once they are old enough to move about on land. It can be safely assumed that they are not interfertile with men or mer.
Never said they couldn't reproduce, or they were Betmer.

Can't we talk about something else?

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>>46170614

>>46170649
>Taking every lore book absolutely at face value
If notes on racial phylogeny was true, the first manmer the nords encountered wouldn't have looked like elves.

>>46170751
>Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.

>>46170751
>wouldn't have looked like elves
Maybe the Direnni were cuckold fetishist

>>46170792
That's more of rape/interracial, than cuckolding.

>>46170816
Not if the Direnni lords are having Bretons fuck their wives

>>46170773
>traces
>the nords could literally not tell the offspring of nedic women apart from other elves

>wifi on an aeroplane
>i can do aerial shitposting
What a world we live in.

>>46167495
>weekend

>>46165542
I meant autism in the 4chan sense, not the actual meaning of the term. Which is a bad habit, I know, but what can I say. This place has ruined me. Some words seem warped or void of meaning now.

>>46167742
Colovians and arguably Nords for the Sword and Board, Bretons for Knights. I'd do one of those three.

>>46169805
>playable races are the only races that exist

>>46169950
Shields are the the most fun aspect of melee in Skyrim.

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>>46170843
>ten generations
>PGE 1
>Back when they were still being called Nords and the term Nedic didn't even exist.
Keep grasping at straws.

>>46170643
I here the same "strife breeds strength" thing from Jewish Zionist people lmao
The connection isn't lost on me

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>>46170691
I got this. *ahem*
Terrible and powerful Talos! We, your unworthy servants, give praise! For only through your grace and benevolence may we truly reach enlightenment! And deserve our praise you do, for we are one! Ere you ascended and the Eight became Nine, you walked among us, great Talos, not as god, but as man!

>>46170959
>You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you.

You know you read that last bit in Heimskr's voice.

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>>46170959
I'll take it from here

"And Talos said to the Arctus, "Let us join as one to fortify this throne, this land, these people, each one glorious under heaven!" Would you not do the same, children of Cyrodiil? No, you would not! This is plain! You looked away when the fires flickered, and now act lost that they are gone! Only death remains for Tamriel! Death and oblivion!"

>>46170959
>tfw Nords got fooled the same way the Tribunal fooled the Dunmer
>tfw Talos achieved his greatest power on a lie

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>>46170959
But you were once man! Aye! And as man, you said, 'Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter.' 'I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you.nb1 Aye, love. Love! Even as man, great Talos cherished us. For he saw in us, in each of us, the future of Skyrim! The future of Tamriel! And there it is, friends! The ugly truth! We are the children of man! Talos is the true god of man! Ascended from flesh, to rule the realm of spirit! The very idea is inconceivable to our Elven overlords! Sharing the heavens with us? With man? Ha! They can barely tolerate our presence on earth! Today, they take away your faith. But what of tomorrow? What then? Do the elves take your homes? Your businesses? Your children? Your very lives? And what does the Empire do? Nothing! Nay, worse than nothing! The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks! Embrace the word of mighty Talos, he who is both man and Divine!

>>46170316
This is just wrong

>>46171005
>Let us join as one
I never noticed this.

>>46171060
How?

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>>46171029
Trust in me, /tgesg/! Trust in Heimskr! For I am the chosen of Talos! I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!

>>46170357
>Elven Ancestry =/= Elf
I'd say that's all about how you define what it means to be Mer.
I'd likely say it's more about where you came from, but I guess you could make the argument for it being more a matter of identity or metaphysical role. It's definitely not the easiest distinction to make.

Which reminds me, how intelligent do you guys suppose Falmer are? They're quite likely the "least Mer" race of what we'd all call Mer.

>>46170491
>getting mad over comfy cats
Okay.
Regardless, it's rather clear that the Khajiit are Ehlnofeyic. Or at least they believe they are.

>>46171060
No, it isn't.

>>46171070
Because it implies that Hajlti was Talos. Or worse yet, Tiber Septim.

>>46171124
Wuh

>>46171081
>Regardless, it's rather clear that the Khajiit are Ehlnofeyic. Or at least they believe they are
It what manner is this the slightest bit implied?
Their own creation myth completely separates them from Y'ffre, it has them formed out of the things that came before the Ehlnofey.

>>46171081
About as intelligent as goblins. Their souls no longer count as black souls.
>>46171124
Hjalti renamed to Tiber, who with two others became Talos.
What's not to get.

>>46171158
Nothing came before. Life wise. Only Ada.

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>>46169985
Man, I thought for a moment that was a moth on the guy's face. I wouldn't be surprised, since old art had the Imperials absolutely loving moths.

>>46168757
Pick flowers for you?
Sure, this brings me back to the good ol morrowind days.
>end of the world daedric quest ensues, flowers are irrelevant.

>>46171176
>Hjalti renamed to Tiber, who with two others became Talos
Except that's not how it actually went down.
Talos of Atmora is the mythical fusion of Ysmir Wulfharth and Hjalti.
Tiber Septim is the Enantiomorph of Zurin Arctus and Talos of Atmora.
Both should not be considered Hjalti.

>>46171158
>It what manner is this the slightest bit implied?
Well, aside from the clear tendency of beings like the Khajiit being Ehlnofeyic, and the whole way Ada-Ehlnofey works, they do at the very least believe they came from Altmeri (Aldmeri?) stock.
>"In Elsweyr, Azurah is nearly a wholly separate entity, yet she is still tied into the origins of Khajiiti out of Altmeri stock."
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Varieties_of_Faith...
Based Brother Karkuxor keeping tabs on all the religions.

>>46171196
>According to the Wood Elves, after the creation of the mortal plane everything was in chaos. The first mortals were turning into plants and animals and back again. Then Y'ffre transformed himself into the first of the Ehlnofey, or 'Earth Bones'. After these laws of nature were established, mortals had a semblance of safety in the new world, because they could finally understand it
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/varieties-faith-empire

>>46171196
>>46171158
You guys, and everyone else in the thread need to read this.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Annotated_Anuad

>>46171256
And that line comes from the same book that clearly implies the "forest people" were pre-Ehlnofey.
The fact that it calls them "Altmeri" makes the whole line questionable to begin with

>>46171237
>The Underking continued to aid in his conquests, and Hjalti took the name Tiber Septim, ascending to the Ruby Throne.

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>>46171016
Don't believe his lies

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Dunmer and Altmer are natural enemies. Like Nords and Dumner! Or Dwemer and Dunmer! Or Argonians and Dunmer! Or Dunmer and other Dunmer! Damn Dunmer! They ruined Morrowind!

>>46171341
That is, of course, Wulfharth's account of it, yes. Notice how it is Zurin who crowns him.

>>46171325
>>46171256
Yeah, this book is probably slightly dated and comes from when Nedics and Aldmer and Ehlnofey weren't conceptualized, or shows that there are inconsistencies with historical views of Altmer, Aldmer, and Ehlnofey.

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>>46171369
That's a good one.

>>46171237
Sources?

>>46170601
>have the most complete, unique lore
>the most fleshed out setting and game
>continue to get lore about them in later game
>were empresses and Kings throughout history
They sure hate them.

>>46171325
>And that line comes from the same book that clearly implies the "forest people" were pre-Ehlnofey.
I'm going to have to ask you to explain that further. Is it implied, interpreted, or directly stated?
Besides, if that's true, then the book is in conflict with itself. That alone is unfortunately not terribly good grounding to figure out which of the two opposing statements is true.

>The fact that it calls them "Altmeri" makes the whole line questionable to begin with
I don't really think it does. Do you really think Brother Karkuxor is totally wrong in that the Khajiit consider themselves to be of Merish stock? The essence of the statement seems rather clear.

>>46171394
Seems more than likely, plus you have the everpresent problem of the unreliable narrator. Karkuxor is Kirkbride, but there's always the chance that Karkuxor the character doesn't fully understand Khajiiti myth. Or Bosmeri, for that matter.
Would be interesting to ask Kirkles himself about it, if he answers that sort of thing these days.

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>>46171369
Bretons and Orsimer are natural enemies. Like Redguards and Bretons! Or Imperials and Bretons! Or Bretons and other Bretons!

Damn Bretons! They ruined High Rock!

>Sounds like you're quite a contentious people.

You just made an enemy for life!

>The war of Betony begins.

>>46171472
>The second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and Talos. The Oversoul was known to the world as Tiber Septim They gave birth to their Mantella, this time an embodiment of the healing of the Man/Mer schism, and, with it, Anumidum Walked. But, by then, and for a long time coming, One betrayed the Other, and the world shuddered as they split, and the Anumidum went berserk and created an Empire of Evil to house the malignant half of its soul.
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/interviews-skeleton-man
>Lorkhan and his avatars:
>1. Wulfharth L
>2. Hjalti O
>3. Ysmir R
>4. Talos K
>5. Arctus H
>6. Septim A
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride
The rest of the Talos of Atmora stuff is pretty obvious.

>>46171518
>>The war of Betony begins.
>implying it ever ends
>implying the end of Daggerfall isn't just a 5 year truce at best

>>46171518
But Imperials and Bretons are as close as two races in TES can get.

>>46171542
It's just a big scramble.

>>46171542
That last bit just means that those figures are Lorkhanic avatars.

>>46171585
That doesn't really say much at the end of the day though, does it?

>>46171518
>find a good hill
>your descendants spend generations trying to defend it
What's wrong with you people? Find your own hills!

>>46171621
They are, that's why there's Bretons everywhere.

>>46171585
I'd say imperials and nords are closer, given that half the imperials are just civilized nords.

Let's talk about the current political situation in Elswyer.

The fuck is going on there?

Who would be the best ally for swamp niggers? Who doesn't rly hate them? The cannibal manlet elves? What do the cannibal manlet elves think of swamp niggers and hist trees?

>>46171642
Nah, Maybe a draw. Bretons are well known for supporting the crown. It's even brought up again in Skyrim.
Nords, it's complicated. They are the Strong arm of the empire, and helped found it, but this whole rebellion thing is putting them in a new light.

>>46171494
>I'm going to have to ask you to explain that further. Is it implied, interpreted, or directly stated?
From 'Words of Clanmother':
>And she filled herself with children, but cried because her favorite children, the forest people, did not know their shape
Varieties of Faith:
>According to the Wood Elves, after the creation of the mortal plane everything was in chaos. The first mortals were turning into plants and animals and back again

>I don't really think it does. Do you really think Brother Karkuxor is totally wrong in that the Khajiit consider themselves to be of Merish stock?
The line seems to come out of nowhere, and doesn't make much sense. It's shoved into the very end of what is the description of the Dunmer god and is very vague in its meaning. Beyond that It has no support in any other text, it seems to be trying to connect itself to 'Ahnissi' but incorrectly so.
The fact that he calls them "altmeri" should either be interpreted as a developer fuck up (and therefore dubious), or that the in-game author knows very little on the actual subject.

>>46171585
I'd say they're like the English and the Welsh. When the Tudors were in charge, everything was great because hey, they're practically Welsh. But the next family line came to the throne, and the Welsh started getting pissy.

The Emperors would often be raised at least part of the time in High Rock, but obviously this ended after the Septim dynasty died. And now the Bretons bits of elvish culture are probably looked at with more suspicion. And if Skyrim falls to the Stormcloaks, they lose their link with Cyrodiil.

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>>46171692
>Who would be the best ally for swamp niggers?

Probably no one, honestly. The Argonians are so fucking weird they're not even friends with the other ugly kid in the class.

>>46171616
Separate avatars

>>46171642
>colovians
>civilized

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuIe5ZSx5iU

The Shivering Isles made Oblivion worthwhile.

>>46171669
Dominion controlled, right? Did they split into two again?

>>46171692
I suppose Khajiit might feel a sort of kinship for another TRIGGER WARNING:Betmeri race. Also with them both having been slaves together.
However, it could be like how blacks and latinos hate each other.
The best answer is we just don't really know. All we can do is speculate.

>>46169805
Let's see.

Dead mer:

aldmer
ayleid
dwemer
direnni
left-hand elves

Alive mer:

maomer
falmer
khajiit
bosmer
altmer
chimer
orsimer

Dead men:

atmoran
yoku
nede
orma
yerpest
horwalli
men-of-ge
men-of-kreath
men-of-khet
kotringi
keptu

Alive men:

nord
redguard
colovian
nibenese
breton
reachmen

>>46171722
They aren't enemies either though.

Though, khahiit seem to only be allies with Orcs.

>>46171733
Yeah. What you don't think they're imperials or something?

>>46171767
>They aren't enemies either though.

Guess not. But are the Argonians actually *enemies* with anyone but the dunmer? Black Marsh doesn't seem to be a place anyone wants to conquer.

>>46171700
High Rock seems mostly well known for being in a perpetual state of civil war

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>>46171767
>Though, khahiit seem to only be allies with Orcs.
What?
>>46171754
>Khajiit are elves

>>46171743
See, I don't know, they have a vague 'aldmeri dominion saved us'

But then I thought the Krin were fighting them for assassinatinh the Mane. If the mane is gone, then it would stand to reason they'd go back to Palentine/Aniquina , but I can't see either of them suffering a bosmer encroachment.

>>46171722
>>46171748
>>46171767
>>46171791
>>46171722
Even the hist didn't care when ayleids, chimmer and dunmer enslaved them. Could Argonians make an alliance with Ka Po' Tun and Tang Mo?

>>46171797
War between different kingdoms wouldn't be civil war

>>46171797
Against other Breton kingdoms, though. Never against the Empire.

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>>46171692

The Hist.

The Hist.

The drugged out furries would probably have more in the way of common experience with them, particularly vis-a-vis the stabby asshole volcano elves.

They probably don't, much. Too busy getting their lunch money stolen by the not-Romans and not-Vikings.

>>46171830
Yeah, but on paper they're one province, not six.

Although iirc the warp in the west makes it canon that the kingdom of Sentinel runs most of Hammerfell now, doesn't it?

>>46171843
You forgot the not-Hindu/Jews.

>>46171669
It's fucked.
Basically, their benevolent spiritual and political leader is gone, their province has been dismantled, all semblance of political order has been knocked back to before Elsweyr was united, they had two years of apocalyptic moonlessness, and now Altmer run everything.

>>46171748
Khajiit do not really like Argonians, to my knowledge. Remember the Khanaten Flu.

>>46171754
There's men on Cathnoquey, isn't there?

>>46171791
Like the Khajiit, enemies with the empire for boarder creep.
>>46171807
Do you even geography? Orcrest, it's a huge multiracial city in the middle of Elswyer that's predominately generations long families of orc mercenaries mixed with a dozen other beasts.

>>46170491
>because the fucking Bosmer are fucking Ehnlofey!
Spoiler: literally everything is Ehnlofey

>>46171854
>Yeah, but on paper they're one province, not six
This is actually kind of arguable really. There is nothing that states there is any singular monarchy or governor ruling over High Rock.
It's possible that High Rock is mostly just a province in name.

>>46171754
The Direnni are probably not dead, and the guys who live on the islands west of Hammerfell could arguably be called Yoku.

>>46171919
I've already made clear that this isn't true.

>>46171871
>Khanaten Flu
Didn't Perry pretty much save them from it though? I always thought the Khajiit were more thankful to their (new) personal daedra than mad about speculative hist flu.

That's the vibe I got.

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>>46171871
While we're on the topic
>Khanaten Flu
>a manipulation of their cherished spore-trees
>Not a strain of influenza
>Still called flu.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>46171949
Nope. That's just another word for degenerate Ada, and, aside from Hist, all life on Tamriel is degenerate Ada. It doesn't matter what terms you use.

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>>46171829
Considering they may have been responsible for the loss of the last lilmothiit... Maybe?

They're kinda loners as far as they go as a nation.

>>46171960
>Senchal
>"In CE560, a strain of the Knahaten Flu blew across the channel from nearby Argonia and quickly infected the city's population. Whole neighborhoods were razed in some mad effort to cleanse Senchal of the Flu and have never been rebuilt."
The Khajiit weren't exactly saved.

>>46171542
But Zurin had Arctus as his last name, while that list makes it fairly clear Arctus is the first name of someone with the last name H. Even if I'm mixed up on the order, H is not Z - unless it's part of the mixup with Hjati.

>>46172020
That feel when you have to kill your nephew for wearing your Ordinator helmet

>>46172042
The letter afterwards is not their name, just something he added to make it seem like it was a neat thing that was always there.

Why did Falkreath switch from being a Cyrodiilic county to a Skyrim hold? Historically, it was part of Cyrodiil.

>>46172006
>after the creation of the mortal plane everything was in chaos. The first mortals were turning into plants and animals and back again. Then Y'ffre transformed himself into the first of the Ehlnofey, or 'Earth Bones'. After these laws of nature were established, mortals had a semblance of safety in the new world, because they could finally understand it
This is the third fucking time I've posted this quote now

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The bow of Stendar is a the Elder Scrolls symbol by which we thieves and rogues utilize archery against dark forces. Be they Daedra or the Imperial pigs, A sh'mcct of tidbit for (you)

>>46172042
The letters don't really have thatmuch meaning other than to spell out Lorkhan.

>>46172038
Senchal has kinda been a cesspool since the last aelyied emperor anyway... and it's right across the river, so, considering the rest of khajiitistan is only mostly buried under sand (as usual) I'd say they got away relatively unscathed.

>>46171987
They understand what diseases are, and are past miasma theory, I'd say for a preindustrialized civilisation they're pretty top banana.

>>46172070
Probably the same reason Markarth isn't part of High Rock, it was conquered by the Nords long enough before the rest of the provinces they used to be part of that it was effectively administrated as part of Skyrim.

>>46172083
Yet you continue to misunderstand it.

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I just want a good story mod for morrowind, most I've played so far have been fanfiction-tier

>>46172140
Yah alright buddy, care to actually explain yourself?

>>46172046

Children can't actually equip adult armor, so it doesn't count.

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>>46172046
The code must be upheld, else we fall into REEEEEE

>>46172149
Coders aren't known for their writing skills, nor writers for their coding skills. Look for a collaboration of some kind.

>>46172083
Does that mean he was the first Ehlnofey or the first of the Ehlnofey to become an Earth Bone?

>>46172169

So how *did* a shirtless, one-eyed thief manage to kill them all?

>>46172205
It means he was the first of the Ehlnofey which is a synonymous term for Earthbone

>>46172231
Slowly
One at a time
Sometimes he jumped because he thought it would help him hit them

>>46172083
Is your point that Ehlnofey is translated to earth bone in one text?

As if many others don't refer to the Ehlnofey as the groups who would eventually stabilize into the Aldmer and men?

>>46172231
By becoming a scout.
That is a really cool detail. They made his class thief, since that's probably why he's on that boat.

Okay, so we're not dealing with anything stated directly, but rather implied.
You're just saying that A) The Dawn Era was chaotic, and B) The forest people did not know their shape. Now, I can see why you'd want to think that this means forest people = pre-ehlnofey, but there's no necessity in that, and it is in conflict with "Varieties". Isn't is a much better fit to say that the forest people are something to the tune of an offshoot of Aldmer who (due to their knowledge of the Dawn Era), can't find a shape? Azura binds some of them to the movements of the moon, and some are bound by Y'ffre/his stories and teachings. The latter view doesn't conflict with anything directly stated, and should be a more valid interpretation.
I mean, this seems like the only way to make it work if you include all relevant texts. I just read "Ahnissi" and "Varieties" to mean something different than you, and ended up with something more consisted with what's blatantly stated in MK's book.

>The line seems to come out of nowhere, and doesn't make much sense.
I think you're viewing it in much too critical a light. He's talking about Azura, mainly about how the Dunmer view them, and he concludes it with a mention of Azurah. It works fine, and makes sense if you see it as a somewhat clumsy reference to the Sundering of the Elves.

>It has no support in any other text
I'd argue it does work with "Ahnissi".

>>46172153
>getting cocky over fantasy elves
Ehlnofey are just the Ada who stayed. All mortals, save for the Hist, are Ehlnofey. Read the Anuad.

>>46172311
To be fair, men came from Ehlnofey as well. The wandering Ehlnofey

>>46172236
If Ehlnofey are Earthbones, how can they be ancestors of anything? They are 'dead' just like the Aedra.

>>46172354
Yeah, that's kind of the point. Even Argonians come from Ehlnofey

>>46172264
He also grew hair!

>>46172236
All Earthbones are Ehlnofey, but not all Ehlnofey are Earthbones.

>>46172258
>sn't is a much better fit to say that the forest people are something to the tune of an offshoot of Aldmer who (due to their knowledge of the Dawn Era), can't find a shape? Azura binds some of them to the movements of the moon, and some are bound by Y'ffre/his stories and teachings. The latter view doesn't conflict with anything directly stated, and should be a more valid interpretation
All Ehlnofey are given semblance through the sacrifice of Y'ffre and the laws he made. This is made clear as fucking day in the quote I've posted multiple times. The Forest people mentioned in 'Ahnissi' that become the Khajiit are completely unbound to Y'ffre and are therefore not Ehlnofey.
>>46172311
The Anuad is really not something that should be interpreted in a literal sense. The Ehlnofey coming from the Twelve Worlds is an analogy to the fact that the Ehlnofey are designed from previously existing forms and concepts.
>>46172364
What exactly is your interpretation of the term "Earthbone"

>>46172429
Being Ehlnofey has nothing at all to do with being "bound" to Y'ffre. It has to do with doing like he did, not binding yourself to him.

>>46172457
Bring up a source that actually says this and I might actually believe you.

>>46172429
>anuad shouldn't be taken literally
>varieties and words of some cat totally should
You can't be serious here. It is not the case that the only believable texts are the ones you prefer, and the only possible interpretation the only you insist on.
Regardless, the Anuad is perfectly clear on the fact that mortals all come from Ehlnofey, save for the Hist.

>>46172231
Some art has him shooting arrows at them, so I assume he must be a helluva archer.

That, or he took advantage of the short tutorial segment to quickly change his class to minmax.

>>46172429
If they're not Ehlnofey, where do you think they came from? There aren't any other sources of life.

>>46172511
Oh in that case I guess you also believe that the Daedra are of the "blood of padomay" too and that Padomay literally swung a sword to shatter creation.
No, the Anuad is not literal in even the slightest sense. It is an extremely watered down version of the ancient Ayleid creation myth that is now told to Children (hence the Children's Anuad).
And to support my rationalizing behind the Anuad and its analagous undertones.
>The magical beings created the races of the mortal Aurbis in their own image, either consciously as artists and craftsmen, or as the fecund rotting matter out of which the mortals sprung forth, or in a variety of other analogical senses
>The magical beings created the races of the mortal Aurbis in their own image, either consciously as artists and craftsmen, or as the fecund rotting matter out of which the mortals sprung forth, or in a variety of other analogical senses
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-monomyth
>>46172536
See this is the problem. Everyone here has this wrong idea in their head that the Ehlnofey were the first mortals.
They were not, there were plenty of severed mortal spirits dying before the Ehlnofey.

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>>46172231
I assume >>46172525 is talking about pic related
Not sure it's official, but all we need to know is that he murdered the shit out of them

>>46172481
>proving a negative
Lucky me.
In your reply to this, you could try to actually prove it.

First of all, devotion to Y'ffre is a rarity in Tamriel. Only the Bosmer make him a really big deal.

>The Monomyth
>"Others, like Y'ffre, transformed themselves into the Ehlnofey, the Earthbones, so that the whole world might not die."
Here, the emphasis is that they did "like" Y'ffre, not that they are bound or devoted to him.

>Varieties of Faith
>"Then Y'ffre transformed himself into the first of the Ehlnofey, or 'Earth Bones'."
Again, Y'ffre is simply the first of the Ehlnofey, there's nothing saying that being Ehlnofey is anything else than doing the same as Y'ffre.

>Before the Ages of Man
>"Others sacrificed themselves into other forms so that they might Stay (the Ehlnofey)."
Here the definition of Ehlnofey is simply those that stayed and sacrificed. It doesn't have anything to do with devotion to Y'ffre, he was just the first guy to do it.

If you stayed and sacrificed, you're by definition Ehlnofey, and that's all that term means.

>>46172708
I don't buy the 12 worlds theory.

If this is even based on a fragment of a forum post from 2004, I'll lend it credence.

>>46172708
>there were plenty of severed mortal spirits dying before the Ehlnofey
Source this shit.

>>46172745
Dawnguard actually has part of a book written by him, it turns out, called Saint Jiub's Opus Listen to this:

>I pulled my longbow from my back and nocked my last arrow. I took a deep breath and pulled, trying to keep the cliff racer in my sights. It was literally a longshot with the beast gaining distance and the silt strider bouncing me around at full gallop. Finally, with a silent prayer, I released the string. The arrow sang through the air like a howling demon as it sliced its way towards its target. Finally, just as it crested the lip of a foyada, the arrow struck it in the midsection. It let out a horrible cry and fell out of sight.
>My cries of triumph were quickly stifled by the sound of over a hundred wings. Rising from the foyada was an entire colony of cliff racers and they were out for blood. The blasted thing had led me right to their nest and sacrificed itself with the intent of feeding me to its brood. It was a trap. The damned things had become much too clever. Knowing this was likely the end, I jumped down from the silt strider and hit the back of its leg with the flat of my glass blade. There was no need for the innocent thing to die here today because of my stupidity. As the ash cloud cleared from being stirred up by its massive legs, the cliff racer brood approached. I held my sword high and prepared for the worst.
>The battle lasted two full days. I was beaten, clawed, bitten and knocked down more times than I care to remember. In the end, seventy-six cliff racers were slaughtered. I was knee-deep in their corpses and my body on the verge of collapse. But I had survived. I smiled to the heavens and all went black.

Honestly he turned out to be a little bit of a self-important guy (he wanted this to span twenty-six volumes), but his awesomeness makes up for it.

>>46172898
>he wanted this to span twenty-six volumes
He's a mer who thinks big.
>"Kill the Cliffracers around my home? Fuck that, I'll kill all of them."
>"What, you want a book about my exploits? You better be ready, because it's going to be like a hounded volumes long."
>"What flavour of ice cream do I want? Everything!"

>>46172751
>First of all, devotion to Y'ffre is a rarity in Tamriel. Only the Bosmer make him a really big deal
So fucking what?
>Here, the emphasis is that they did "like" Y'ffre, not that they are bound or devoted to him
>Again, Y'ffre is simply the first of the Ehlnofey, there's nothing saying that being Ehlnofey is anything else than doing the same as Y'ffre
>Here the definition of Ehlnofey is simply those that stayed and sacrificed. It doesn't have anything to do with devotion to Y'ffre, he was just the first guy to do it.
I'm going to start off first by saying I already know of these lines. These "other spirits" are literally never mentioned, there actions can easily just be appropriated into the entire idea of Y'ffre which is basically just the "Laws of Nature," as we would now it.
The excerpt from Varieties of Faith makes it clear that Y'ffre's 'first' sacrifice is what standardized the laws of nature and allowed from mortals to take form.
I will admit that you are right in this sense that Y'ffre isn't necessarily "all the Ehlnofey," but I without a doubt believe that all the Ehlnofey follow the inherent guidelines of Y'ffre's laws of nature, which is not a quality of the Khajiit.
>>46172892
>Pretty soon the spirits on the skin-ball started to die, because they were very far from the real world of Satakal
>As their aspects began to die off, many of the et'Ada vanished completely.... Others, like Y'ffre, transformed themselves into the Ehlnofey, the Earthbones, so that the whole world might not die
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-monomyth

>>46173023
The implication is that the Ehlnofey who would go on to be the men and Mer sacrificed their divinity.

Not all Ehlnofey are "gift limbs" in the sense that they give themselves to become immobile concepts. Y'ffre probably also isn't every law of nature, there may be many.

Besides, he wasn't the first, the Aedra were.

Nothing from the Satakal quote has to do with beings outside Ada.

>>46173023
>These "other spirits" are literally never mentioned
Irrelevant, as all texts (or at least the large majority) agrees that there's a multitude.

>there actions can easily just be appropriated into the entire idea of Y'ffre which is basically just the "Laws of Nature," as we would now it
Huge, unfounded leap. There is no reason to assume this. Also, I'd disagree that Y'ffre himself is equavilent with the "Laws of Nature", he's just one aspect of it. Y'ffre's role as the first is only rendered significant by the fact that his example was followed.

>The excerpt from Varieties of Faith makes it clear that Y'ffre's 'first' sacrifice is what standardized the laws of nature and allowed from mortals to take form.
Again, no. "After these laws of nature were established" refers to the Earth Bones as a whole, not Y'ffre specifically.

To be completely honest here, it seems like you're really overestimating and misunderstanding Y'ffre's role.

>>46173023
>As their aspects began to die off, many of the et'Ada vanished completely
Key word "et'Ada", in other words not mortals.
The Sakatal quote is likewise not applicable.

>>46172898
>I jumped down from the silt strider
Wtf, that's like 50 feet high.

>>46173242
Slowfall, which my phone tried to autocorrect to Daggerfall.

>>46173092
>Y'ffre probably also isn't every law of nature, there may be many
This goes into the whole appropriation idea of Y'ffre I mentioned. It's possible that other Ada created other laws, but these nameless additions can in someway be viewed as aspects of what culminates into the overlying idea of Y'ffre.
>Besides, he wasn't the first, the Aedra were
I wouldn't really call the Aedra laws of nature, more so support beams for Mundus.
>Nothing from the Satakal quote has to do with beings outside Ada
It mentions that the Spirits are dying on the Skinball (which is Nirn).
>>46173237
Might help if you actually read the text anon. One of the main concepts of "Heart of the World" is the idea of self-reflection or, in other words, spirits breaking themselves into multiple pieces so that they can know themselves better (this is what Nirn is accordingly promised for). The "aspects" mentioned are split off pieces of the Ada set on Nirn, what the line is saying is that as all these pieces began to die, so to did the Ada they came from.

>>46173092
This makes sense, because the Thalmor's whole problem is that they aren't as close to the divine as they vaguely remember being, and want to return to that at any cost since apparently being mortal sucks.

>>46173303
First in the sense that they gave themselves so that we might learn how to. Whether it results in the framework of the world, the physical makeup of it, or the laws that govern it, Y'ffre's own sacrifice was only enabled by and in emulation of theirs.

>>46173327
That's why Aedra translates to ancestor, because they look back far enough to when there wasn't even a distinction.

>>46167671
>>46168392
We used to have these threads every day until our glorious overlord declared that we should keep it to the weekends to maintain quality. There's no harm in rolling over into monday/tuesday every once in a while.

>>46172898
I like to imagine that something else was responsible for the extinction of the cliff racers and that he just found a way to take all the credit.

>>46173441
They aren't extinct per se; they've just been driven completely from Vvardenfell.

>>46173303
Anon, those non-Ehlnofey spirits all died or left. There was only three options. Magnus's way, Y'ffre's way, or death. Unless you're (D)Aedra or Hist.

>>46167671
You know saging isn't a thing anymore right...?

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>>46174918

Is that so?

>>46174918
I think it is, it's just not visible.

>>46172253
It doesn't?

>>46168637
Personally my dragon born us always a breton BECAUSE TALOS WAS A BRETON BEEEEEEEYTCH.


NORDS SUICIDE WATCH!

Actually, while I'm rubbing my manmer stiffy, I feel like picking skyrim once more, anyone have any recommendations for a build ?


My last one was a light armored skirmishing mage, heavy use off offensive magic but able to fall back on my trusty axe (late game that is because bound weapons are fucking broken) not awhole lot of speech craft but some good sneaking

I was thinking playing a heavy armored 2 handed battlr mage who uses bound weapons to make up for the lack of destruction magic ( so bound bow would be my only ranged option really) all the while making heavy use of alteration, conjuration and restoration.

>>46175918
Uninstall wizard

>And then Vivec withdrew into the hidden places and found the darkest mothers of the Morag Tong, taking them all to wife and filling them with undusted loyalty that tasted of summer salt.
What wouldn't Vivec fuck?

>>46177083
That's Love, baby.

>>46176934
Never! I'm breton I need my magic bitch.

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>>46177083
>undusted loyalty that tasted of summer salt.

Sounds like his Muatra jizzed all over them.

>>46173276
>>46173242
Maybe unto a rock or cliff face.

>>46174918
Saging is totally a thing. You just can't see it aside from the effect of your post not bumping the thread, so it's nearly useless a thread is near death or you just don't want to draw attention to it.

>>46175851
I believe Hjati was sort of a half-Breton - he had some Nordic ancestry, as the Early-Beard name referenced. Either way, the whole Dragonborn thing is such a part of Nordic tradition that it's associated with them far more than just Talos or other races.

>>46175918
I never did use bound weapons much - what's so great about them? And what is really the difference between a battlemage and a spellsword? I always think it's just light or heavy armor.

>>46171555
Didn't the Warp fix/un-fix/sideways/above-between-beneath the end of Daggerfall? or am I still confused

>>46177742
Bound weapons don't weigh anything, and you can still use them in those one or two annoying quests every game has, when they take all your stuff away. The modest bonus to weapon skill is also useful.

>>46177986
It did. Retroactively.

>>46177742
Battlemage: mostly spells, have an axe or something for when you run out of magicka.
Spellsword: balance between magic and martial. Spells to assist your martial prowess or hit people from afar.

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>>46172984
>Best Non-Wizard
Best wizard: Pic Related

>>46177986
It fixed things in the sense that everything got united up into four kingdoms that were ready for Imperial rule. Twenty years after, by the events of Oblivion, everything is fairly stable, there's no disputed land, and all the rulers seem to be doing well for themselves and have everything set up for stable succession. There would have to be some outside strife to collapse things back into the warring states again.

>>46178154
What if you were mostly martial, but made use of magic?

>>46178086
>The modest bonus to weapon skill is also useful.
Is that also in skyrim? Don't know about Oblivion either. Only know that it's in Morrowind

>>46177742
>just don't want to draw attention to it.
Hasn't that been kinda the point of it in the beginning? It has not been about "look I'm saging, I don't like your thread" It is to be able to post in a thread you don't want to actually receive any more attention. Someone asked a good question in a otherwise totally shit thread? Answer with sage enabled so the guy can get his answer and the shit thread doesn't get bumped to top.
Or for a reply that is not really relevant to the OP.
Or for doubleposting.

I mean obviously 4chinz has changed a bit, but that was the original intent of sage as far as I know.

>>46178141
Ah, ok.

On an unrelated note; If Elder Scrolls are indestructible pieces of before-creation, why can't I use them to bludgeon people?

>>46178234

Because "completely indestructible" does not mean hard, rigid, nor heavy. It's still just parchment of some sort.

>>46178234
Because you apparently don't have that mod.

If you're asking if there's a reason why you shouldn't, I honestly can't think of one.

>>46178234
Like some sort of...Scrollhammer?

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>>46178226
Sure, sure. But no no one knows that you've saged, and it's fairly easy for someone to reply to your saged reply and bump the thread anyway, especially on a relatively slow board like /tg/. It's not as useful as a way to kill any thread that you don't like because half of the users nowadays barely remember it exists and it's not seen as useful anymore. Besides, you rarely need that sort of 'kill the thread' stuff anymore.

>>46178295
Or an Elder Mace

>>46178245
I always thought that the indestructibility applied to the casing as well, as the DB in Skyrim has to find the same elder scroll used to shunt Alduin out of time.

I wish great helms were a thing in Tamriel, and not just for gay, elf genociding, time traveling robot's armor.

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>>46178602
>gay, elf genociding, time traveling robot's armor.
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>>46178735
BROTHER

>>46178602
Morrowind's Closed Ebony Helmet is pretty damn close.
The Iron helm is a sallet, and the steel appears to be a close.

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>>46178226

> original intent of sage

Most people on 4chan never really manage to grasp the concept, thinking it was some sort of insult or 'kill the thread' stuff.
Also, it always worked with pictures.
nokosage4lyfe

>>46178602
>great helm
But those are ugly.
I want an armet.

I don't even post without sage anymore.

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>>46179043
I know how you feel.

>>46174422
Yes, that's exactly why the Monomyth states that only some spirits transformed themselves into the Ehlnofey, that the Hist aren't Ehlnofey, that "Ahnissi" states the Khajiit were designed from spirits existing before Y'ffre's intervention, and the whole general fact that literally nothing implies this ever :^)

>>46178602
An echo of Shor being a faggot must sure as fuck be awkward for Kyne.

>>46178203
Depends on the magic you want Knight for illusion, crusader for restoration.

>>46179628
Everybody's a little bit gay, it's no biggie.

>>46179628
Merid is probably into it.

>>46179696
How would you label martial + enchanting? I though Knight would be kinda fitting for it. Enchanting your shit to do knightly things better.

>>46178602
But it makes so much sense - what else would a robot's head look like but a barrel helm?

>>46179696
What about conjuration, alteration, or mysticism?

>>46180062
Knight definitely. Its one of the minor skills for it in Morrowind.

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>>46179696
>>46178203
among the classes in morrowind in the "combat" category:

>crusaders have major skill in destruction, minor skill in restoration and alchemy
>knights have minor skill in restoration and enchantment
>scouts have minor skill in alchemy and alteration
>archers have minor skill in restoration

honorable mention for the monk, which is in the "stealth" category, but focused on hand-to-hand combat. they have minor skill in restoration.

>>46180175
Conjuration could be any class if you replace physical weapons with conjured ones. Mysticism wouldn't really fit into many martial situations aside from soul trapping for enchanting. Alteration could be a Knight or something similar, enhance yourself when you need it.

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>>46178602
TESO's Breton heavy armor is pretty cool.
But not exactly a great helmet

>>46180630
That's actually the best looking set I've seen from ESO.

It still bothers me that none of them seem to have a gorget. It makes the head look tiny and like a cheap costume.

>>46180793
Makes the head look huge and detached, rather.

>>46180809
>>46180793
A monster

>>46180818
Where's Barry?

>>46180896
I don't know.

Is ignorance bliss?

>have played every TES game except Arena.
>TES is by far my favorite fantasy setting
>There's just something about it.
>It manages to take the overused fantasy races and tropes and make them its own, take them in exciting original directions.
>Consider myself fairly knowledgeable on lore
>Hear that they have lore discussions on /tg/, decide to check it out
>Everything I know is a lie.
>Everything I thought I knew about Vivec and Tiber Septim was just their chim fuckery
>Pelinal is a time traveling robot
>No game since Morrowind has stayed true to the original lore.

>>46181194
I know that feel, but now you can replay the games and look for references or inconsistencies, loadsafun

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>>46181194
I thought Skyrim did fairly well with lore, it's just not as obvious straight off. An anon posted pic related in one of the previous threads, although it's probably just over thinking.
Oblivion had some neat things. Mankar Camoran, Shivering Isles, Knights of the Nine. Aside from Cyrodiil being boring and plain as fuck.

>>46182333
>Oblivion had some neat things. Mankar Camoran, Shivering Isles, Knights of the Nine
These things redeemed Oblivion for me.

>>46182333
>although it's probably just over thinking
It is way over-thinking it
Miraak, if anything, is just Bethesda bridging back to Dagoth Ur.

Also, Shivering Isles is fucking shit.

>>46182333
>probably just over thinking
To be fair, the fact that the game leaves room for those sort of theories isn't a bad thing. There's fundamentally something uncertain and subjective about this whole series. The games are just representations of how TES more or less is, everyone has their own subjective view of things since we interact with them in different ways, books are all written by characters with limited knowledge and understanding, and so on. There's that veil of uncertainty that enables interpretation, speculation, and overthinking.
Sure, it might not be as good as more direct and intentional interesting elements, but it's not like these hints, concepts, and the myriad of ways different players come to see it is worthless.
Theorizing is fun.

>>46180630
I actually enjoy it - it looks pleasing, it seems similar to real-world armor, but it adds a bit of a fantasy element by including some scale instead of chainmail. Everybody knows scale makes it more fantasy. I also like how it vaguely looks like the iron or perhaps steel armor of Morrowind, or somewhat like Daggerfall's armor - though I don't know if I'd call that praise, since it was pretty generic armor.

>>46181194
It's often called deep lore for a reason - mostly because it rarely comes to surface in the games. You can ignore it almost entirely - I just personally find it fun to connect stuff that seems fairly shallow to this bigger set of lore.

But yes, for the most part, ignorance is bliss. My Skyrim-loving brother doesn't need to know all this crazy lore, and aside from how cool and crazy some of it is, it wouldn't interest him. He's going to have fun on his own terms, and probably enjoy the story, but he's got no reason to feel dissatisfied with how things are, and he's not the type to dig deeper just for the sake of it.

And to repeat the question of last thread: who the was the pig?

>>46182333
>Oblivion had neat things, like everything that wasn't originally part of the main game.
>Skyrim had neat things, like etc

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>>46182483
>masked villain with a cool voice
>old as balls and thought long dead
>leads his own crazed priesthood as he seeks true divinity

I can see it. I don't think Bethesda is so shallow they'd make a carbon copy instead of reusing the basic idea in a new way, but on a surface level that sounds about right, especially since Dragonborn was trying to stroke those nostalgia boners for Morrowind.

>>46182596
There are some interesting things in vanilla Oblivion that I can't remember.

Elder Scrolls, for one.

Skyrim has more about kalpas.

>>46182742
No it doesn't, the only people who mention kalpas in Skyrim are Paarthy and the Greybeards and they do so in a way that's really vague and confusing for someone who hasn't read Shor, Son of Shor or The Seven Fights.

>>46182596
The Thieves Guild quest was amazing, hands down. The Boots of Springheel Jack felt like an amazingly unique item, the method that you manage to get your hands on an Elder Scroll is fun and worthy of the immense task, and there's a lot of fun that happens along the way.

Mannimarco isn't the best part of Oblivion for me, but it's still awesome that you have to take on a god (or would be god, I'm never sure), and had a better cult feeling than the Mythic Dawn, and while not the most solid questline it's handled fairly well.

Mankar Camoran and his crazed ideas are at least an interesting thought experiment.

>>46182596

To this >>46183085
Most of the MG stuff outside the main plot was actually fun and varied.
Oblivion had a ton of well made vignette sidequests in every town rather than everyone treating you as a gopher like in Skyrim.
The only serious cave overload came from the FG and even then the FG still had stuff that was actually fun and a lot more original than the Companions.

>>46182843
By "more" I mean they're mentioned again at all.

>>46183294
A gopher? What do you mean by a gopher?

And I agree about the FG and the Companions. There was just no allure in the later for me, especially after I learned the truth about their little brotherhood. I just wanted an excuse to be a warrior, not be a super special ancient Nordic werewolf man - I could easily do the former on my own.

>>46183507
Someone whose job is fetching shit.

We need help making this setting deeper, like Nirn >>46173941

Any tips?

>>46183783
Why not just play in TES' world on whatever system you want? Even D&D 5E doesn't take that much tweaking.

>>46183783
Throw in random occult concepts.

>>46183817
You miss understand, this is a /tg/ homebrew.

>>46183827
The Elder Scrolls is far more than random occult concepts.

>>46183879
>The Elder Scrolls is far more than random occult concepts.
I guess you could also drink or do opiates while writing the lore.

>>46183783
Why did you come to us for help? Why not a world building thread?

>>46183879
Wasn't someone trying to make a TES-like homebrew a while back?

>>46183879
>Find Michael Kirkbride's cell number
>call him, tell him you need lore
>do lsd with him
>cry while he fills you with his milkfinger
>become enlightened as his massive lore releases and he achieves CHIM

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I was browsing this manga site and found this concept that remined me of Tsaesci as in "snakes ate men of akavir". Since it's stated that there are descendants of Akaviri invaders in Imperium that are obviously human yet there are acounts of actual half snakes in historical literature, would /tesg/entlemen be ok with symbiotic/parasitic snakes?

>>46184761
>Would we be okay with making the tsaesci a shitty goauld analogy
Not really no

>>46184761
I think it's a much hazier metaphysical thing.

>>46184761
I prefer it to be an actual case of inter-breeding. It's really not that different from someone with elven blood somewhere in their lineage, and if Akavir is a future kalpa, the fact that men and Tsaesci can interbreed has some interesting implications.

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Hey guys, here's a question:

Why the shit can you recruit both a bosmer and an altmer into the Knights of the Nine? My grasp of the lore isn't 100%, but I don't think this makes any sense at all.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Areldur
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Brellin

If some named knights die, they can get replaced by both orsimer and dunmer "Knight of the Nine" NPCs aswell.

>>46185709
It's been a really long time since Pelinal. Men and Mer have a much more cordial relationship at the height of the third era.

>>46186209
I'm thinking more along the lines of what Pelinal did and how he's depicted in mer culture, not necessarily that the other members of the order would be mer-haters. An altmer running around praising Pelinal Whitestrake as a rolemodel is kinda weird.

>>46186279
>>46186209
>>46185709
It was said that the order is no no longer about that, and doesn't even associate him with elf killing.
Now they just use him as an excuse/figurehead to defend the nine and be the good guys.

>>46186279
That's a good point. They must not care.

Is Meridia a good Daedric Prince, lads?

>>46187018
She's a cunt like the rest of them and anyone who says otherwise is likely a waifufag.

>>46187018
The prince of my heart.

>>46187018
She's the lies and secrets one, right? Nah, she's evil.

Though they seem to be depicted differently from game to game - Boethiah just wants her ugly people to be left alone in Oblivion.

>>46187228
No, she's the light and color one. Banished Magne Ge.

>>46187228
That's Malacath. Boethiah's quest is a gladiatorial arena.

>>46169910
Talos the mass murderer, war criminal and half-nord conman from Breton.

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>>46187251
>>46187018
She had a pact with the Ayy leids. They worshipped light as the fifth element, and she is the Daedric Prince of Light. Makes sense

Her lesser daedra are also cool af. Pic related. How can priests of dibella even compete?

>>46184761
Maybe all akavir/tsaesci are men? They might use some kind of power or magic etc. in order to change their appearance?

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>>46187486
>How can priests of dibella even compete?

By being sexy.

>>46187487
No offense, but there's absolutely nothing to support that.

>>46187487
I'm honestly surprised this is still debated
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/tsaesci-creation-myth-and-we-ate-it-become-it

>>46188036
There's in-game support for the possibility that Tsaesci are closer to argonians than to actual all out reptiles. They're definitely not very beastlike.

Also I just take for granted that a lot of the lore is about as reliable as Herodotus, who, while a lot of old school historians jerked off to him, was very obviously wrong about almost everything and unironically swallowed some of the dumbest "lel, tourists" stories ever told on his travels.

>>46188292
The pale pass skeletons? They could very well be from conscripts abroad or the "consumed" men of Akavir.

Spellsword, Battlemage, or Nightblade?

>>46188911
Or Bethesda being a lazy tusk

>>46189104
Sorcerer.

>>46189104
Sorcerer

>>46189104
Dust Adept

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>>46189209
You know what's up, anon.

>>46189132
>>46189174
What's so great about a sorcerer?

>>46189104
War-Wizard is fine too.
>>46189283
You have lot's of enchanted bling and daedra are your bitches.
Fyr is a sorcerer.

>>46189283
You can do anything
All the benefits of being a wizard without having to wear bathrobes.

>>46189104
>>46189283
Are there any notable spellswords or nightblades? I don't remember.
>>46189310
This.

>>46188292
>>46188911
>>46189122
"AND WE ATE IT TO BECOME IT"

>>46189367
Ranis is a nightblade iirc.

>>46187486
I always liked the Aurorans, due to being Daedra that weren't all about being demonic, dark, and spiky. Shame they haven't shown up since KoTN.

Haaaah. I saw someone here recently tossing around the idea that tigers were dragons, a conclusion I had reached independently.

In the Varieties of Faith, it says the Khajiits say that dragons are just "real big cats."

That sort of seals it.

>>46190327
So Guars are dragons too?

>>46190404
In seriousness, no. The cliffracers drove the dragons from Vvardenfell while guars remain.

The striped ones, though? Maybe they're trying to sneak back in.

>>46190327
I don't really get it.
Why exactly are tigers just incoherently dragons? How is this in anyway significant?

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>>46190327
>>46190404
Dragons are Khajiit. Khajiit are Guars. Guars are Dragons confirmed.

What is your favorite race, and why is it orcs?

>>46190513
Incoherently?

Aside from the quote I just posted, read The Water Getting Girl.

There are other hints that something is going on, I just forget them.

>>46190551
Atmorans and giants are descended from the same Ehlnofey, but Atmorans are also dragons. Therefore giants are dragons.

>>46190583
>Angry savages whose origin literally involves being slathered in the poop that was once Trinimac

I've been partial to Nords since Morrowind.
Immunity to frost, comfy fur armor, neato silver weapons, constantly talking shit on elves and a tendency to end up walking around nude. What's not to like?

>>46190652
>Incoherently?
My point is more along the idea that tigers = tigers and dragons =dragons.
I'm not denying that there is evidence for it. I'm just confused on how this arbitrary connection is at all consequential or necessary to the lore, or why exactly I should even care.

>>46190583
Because they're a more "realistic" take on the honourable savage archetype. Orcs can be massive assholes because of it; it's not necessarily a positive trait at all but something that drives them to challenge random bypassers to duels á la Miyamoto Musashi in a desperate bid to avoid dying of old age or killing their own kin because they dishonored the clan. Honour-based societies can be far from pretty when said honour extends beyond being honest and sticking to your word and I think the orsimer show that pretty well.

Also they constantly get fucked but manage to pull through, just like my other favourite race, so that's nice.

>>46190583
My favorite is Dunmer, followed by Argonians, followed by Nords.

Orcs are solidly in my "no fucks given" tier. Above the "go fellatiate Molag Bal through the back of your skull" tier for Bosmer and most Altmer.

>>46190583
Dunmer > Sload > Dreugh > all

>>46190756
It is largely inconsequential, but that doesn't make it not interesting.

House Sul's crest, the tusk of the bat tiger is another connection. A bat plus a tiger is a dragon. Almalexia wears a tusked helmet.

In Akavir, Tosh Raka the tiger becomes a striped dragon.

Some bardic songs in Skyrim describe Shor as having a "scaled mane."

It's interesting.

>>46191371
It's more of a mask, actually.