/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General

>>46136992
You're a little late. It's appreciated, though.

>>46137019
Forgot to change waifu anyway

>People say that the 36 lessons are fictional in-setting
>Implying its not the Tribunal rewriting history to justify themselves as gods and get the Dunmer, through the same philosophy as the monomyth to, through faith and belief retcon and solidify the tribunals preferred outcome of the Dragon Break of Red Mountain

N'wah all of you

What practical applications are there for telekinesis other than easier home decoration?

>>46140131
Playing tricks on stupid Nords

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Happy birthday Oblivion, you're the best.

>>46139626
I believe it.

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>>46144242

So I was thinking of running a campaign set in Vvardenfell during the time period around Morrowind. Not necessarily the same period, but reasonably close that things are essentially as they were. And I was kind of wondering - what's the scale supposed to be like?

Like, how big are the populations of, say, Balmora, Sadrith Mora, and smaller places like Tel Mora or Tel Branora? Did any canon material like the pocket guide or whatever give figures? I mean, I know they're obviously larger than in-game, but how large? How 'urban' is Vvardenfell, considering it's also meant to be backwards and kinda hicksville.

>>46144316
no need to dump them all, but thanks

>>46144340
Outside of major settlements like Balmora and Vivec, most of the population had only come over in the last five years, including the empire.

Larger than the games, of course, but not as populous as the mainland.

>>46144388
wait what?

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>>46144349
It's ok buddy, I'll just add some armor designs that were asked for earlier and go to sleep, it's not my intention to derail conversation.

>>46144425
They're great, really

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>>46139626
Saying it's a self-serving propaganda account doesn't mean it's fictional. It means that what truth there is is very, very warped.

>>46144388
So, like, what, would you say something like DnD/Pathfinder sizes? So like going off this http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Cities_%26_Towns

Capitals/Cities = 10-25k
Towns = 2k-5k
Villages = 200-2000

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>>46140131
Not having to get out of your seat to
-grab a different book
-grab a snack
-place something back where you got it
-scratch your ass

Theoretically you could also take a crap and just fling it out the window.

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>>46144444
The armors or in general? And I hope you don't mind me saying this, but those are some nice quints.

>>46144425
I was the one who asked for em. Thanks a lot, anon.

>>46144414
Vvardenfell was, until recently, a temple reserve. It was opened for occupation only recently to the empire and great houses. That's why Dres and Indoril don't have land there, they weren't in the right positions economically or otherwise to do so during the first landgrab.

>>46144493
It's probably reasonable, Vvardenfell is basically the thinly settled borderland you'd expect in old AD&D games. The core population areas are on the shores of the inner sea really.

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>>46144514
I got you covered buddy

>>46144493
That seems reasonable. Vivec, for instance, would have a larger population as a preexisting urban center and one of the larger cities in the east.

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>>46144548

>>46144516
But 5 years, really?

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>>46144587

>>46144600
Thirteen, sorry.

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>>46144625

>>46144600
yep, that's why everything is kicking off with the 6th house right then

>Bretons will never have their own unique armor styles
Why be Breton at all then?

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>>46144654

>>46144647
Why did they open up Vvardenfell anyway?

Was it to let in the Nerevarine?

>>46144679
What about bone?

>>46144600
Settlement was opened in 414, afaik Morrowind starts in 427, so it's more 13 for the earliest settlers.

>>46144695
>>46144679
Whoops, I read that as Bosmer.

The Bretons have Adamantium.

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>>46144686

>>46144701
I don't get it, was there no population here except for the Temple and the Ashlanders ? So every city in Morrowind is only 13yo at most ?
What about somewhat ancient buildings such as the giant shell in Ald'Ruhn ?

>>46144690
It was officially recognized as an Imperial district when King Llethan "revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement."

So, depending on how long the elder council and Uriel were planning it, possibly.

>>46144690
King Llethan trying to neuter the Temple's authority

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>>46144759
This is one of my favorite designs.

>>46144775
The temple, ashlanders, Vivec, and other larger settlements like Balmora, but they were sparse. None of the Imperial towns, and those such as Seyda Neen, are older than thirteen years.

In TR lore house Redoran brought Skar to Vvardenfell and established their capital there.

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>>46144775
The Great Houses had settlements. Vivec was always a very big city. But yes, Vvardenfell was sort of a religious reserve.

>>46144854
Seyda Neen is a Hlaalu village though.

>>46144892
That's what he said, Imperial

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>>46144926
Touche.

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>>46145035
I'm out, it was fun. Hope you guys have a nice week.

>>46136992
I want to live there

>>46144737
That's not Breton armor

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>reading up on some lore subject on UESP and half the material is sourced from TESO

>>46145103
Y-you too...

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>>46145149
I know this feeling.

>>46145103
Thanks.

>>46145121
>Wanting to wake up everyday to a dozen Redoran posers arguing about muh honor
t.shitposter

>Last Tamriel Rebuilt release
>Our next update will be released in March 2016.
>21st March already

>>46145300
c0da comic coming out any time now!

>>46145331
That hurted, anon.

>>46145291
Well at least Blacklight is better than living in a crab's butthole.

>>46145376
*comfy crab's butthole

what is your opinion on /r/teslore?

I think they made some good stories.

>>46147072
I'm ambivalent.
PGE2 is pretty good.
Echmer stuff is shit.
Now it's all about Skyrim and ESO lore and stupid newfag questions.

>>46147150
PGE2 was Kurt and MK.

There was also a fan made one for some reason, but it was never finished.

For clarification.

>>46147244
Is there a pdf version or something?

>>46147339
Of the first one? I don't think so. There might be a google document.

>>46147150
I liked "through eastern eyes" series aswell, even if somepeople call it fanfiction.
>Now it's all about Skyrim and ESO lore and stupid newfag questions
This really ruined it, there is no creativity anymore, just obscure questions people ask instead of contributing anything.

>>46147072
it varies
its ok on stuff untouched by MK's ramblings and ESO
weirdly cultlike about the former, hostile to the latter

>>46147480
Are you from another dimension where they don't love ESO?

The stupid dimension, maybe?

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>>46147372
Found it:
http://host.conseiljedi.com/%7Ewolf/PGE2/pge2.pdf
A Million Eyed Insect Dreaming is easily the best Morrowind-related text.
>But once beyond the gateway they found only golden footprints, impossibly facing east in
a world without orients, until at last they dissipated into images of chitin-clad nix-mongrels.
Oh man.

>>46147576
Oh, cool.

I totally agree. The entry for Cyrodiil all but sums up the series for me.

It's a paragon of lore as a whole.

>>46147072
My main annoyances are the tendency to take far too much stuff as truth (especially when Vivec or Talos is involved), the weirdly cultlike attitude to MK, and to a lesser extent the feeling that quite a few of the writers assume the series started at Morrowind (maybe Redguard for the few who heard of it).

>>46147954
What truth? It's not really up for debate what went down, at least in a broad sense. Things happened and then the events were changed by CHIM/dragon breaks.

Honestly, in terms of the lore the series did start with Redguard and Morrowind.

>>46148019
>in terms of the lore the series did start with Redguard and Morrowind.
Get a load of this newfag.

>>46148019
>Honestly, in terms of the lore the series did start with Redguard and Morrowind.
>this ebin maymay again

A lot of non-cosmological stuff is in and from Daggerfall. The dragon break is cute but it doesn't exactly take magic to justify a canon ending of "it was a clusterfuck and no one achieved their full objectives" when you have eight primary factions.

It's also people assuming stuff in Oblivion that was from the first two games was added strictly for them.

>>46148147
Let's talk about fire golems. Really dig deep into that wealth of lore.

How about Orcs? Dreugh? Giants? No, wait, interesting things only happen to them post-Morrowind.

>>46148182
It's pretty much only the names of things. Dunmer aren't still cockney Victorians.

The Warp in the West wasn't the only dragon break and it's not where they begin and end as a concept.

>>46148278
Oh, I did forget, there is actually a lot of good Yoku lore from Daggerfall.

>>46148278
>Dunmer aren't still cockney Victorians.
Skyrim obviously disagrees.

>>46148223
>Orcs
The Orsinium stuff is almost exclusively daggerfall with a bunch of off-screen development after the game.

It's a game about political intrigues between client kingdoms of the empire, not about the grandiose cosmological fundaments of the universe.

>>46148368
>It's a game about political intrigues between client kingdoms of the empire, not about the grandiose cosmological fundaments of the universe.
Well then it's not a real TES game, now is it

>>46148368
I was speaking too harshly earlier.

It's as silly to say the lore pre-Redguard was better as it is to say it didn't have any at all. There's no reason to expect people to confine their discussions to it.

>>46148431
I'm not saying it was better, I'm just voicing annoyance at the fact that stuff that has obviously not been retconned is disregarded when it showed up in later games.

>>46148476
How so? I can't think of any examples.

By it's own nature, as you mentioned, it would not be discussed as heavily.

>>46139626
Didn't Vivec leave some sort of message in there for the Nerevarine or something?

>>46144855
>>46144938
>nordic styled imperial armor
For the love of fucking god, why the fuck isn't this in the game?

>>46148545
Yeah. Something like
>Foul murder blah blah crime Vivec wrote this

>>46148548
Because at some point someone decided that nobody would understand the empire is supposed to be Rome if they didn't look like they were lifted straight out of Asterix, climate be damned.

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>>46148614
Lorica segmentata really grates me when it's used in pop culture and outside of it's narrow, historical context. You'd have to look long and hard for a more overrated and overused type of armour.

>colovian knights will never look like pic related

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>>46149094
> outside of it's narrow, historical context.

That comma shouldn't be there. Sorry.

>>46149094
To be fair, they at least have one somewhat shit attempt at Lorica Squamata.

Which absolutely nobody wears unless you request medium armor when you sign up.

>>46147072
Fucking hate it tbqh
Autistic rant:
Community is fucking awful
They worship every fucking piece of shit Kirkbride lays on the table and circle jerk over how "unique" and "original" it is despite at this point being the most overtly overblown attempts at creating whatever lore is totally edgy and different, and it only gets worse because they keep on licking his ass.
They constantly egg on how 'great' ESO's lore is despite it being, for the most part, terrible, which I honestly find hilarious given that the general opinion of ESO's lore was that it was shit until the Zenimax devs gave a bleak-bones reference to some MK shit and started doing AMA's where they said they 'totally loved C0DA guise!'
Being reddit, it's also a popularity contest where a select few people's posts are practically treated as actual lore. Whenever some lore-newb asks a question with no definite answer you can bet your fucking mother one of these people will come up with some fanon answer (which aren't marked fanon) that gets its ass thumbed up; not only connoting to the newfag that 'this is the actual lore-friendly answer' but also undermining the whole "C0DA value" of having people create their own conclusions as well. And this continues onto literally every post these people make, with their wacko speculative theories getting passed around as the truth, which also undermines creating your own conclusions and breeds a whole fucking army of psuedo-lorefags who think they know shit because they read someone's stupid theory despite probably never even having touched the basic source material of the lore.
The community claims to endorse the idea of C0DA yet dogmatically follow anything MK posts and half the shit the community leaders post, to the point where there is now post-C0DA lore (which was supposed to be up to your interpretation).
Also, no-one has the balls to give the slightest criticism to people's fanfictions because it's fucking reddit and 'muh downvotes'.

I could go on.

>>46147576
I like Million Eyed Insect Dreaming but it seems strange that a text that is written from what couldn't be anything but an Ashlander's perspective, is included included in the Imperial Pocket Guide.
Not really fond of most of the other texts.

Other thread just got archived, guess we're moving into here.

>>46149649
That's kind of the point. The entire guide is a feverish, half-translated transmission that was never meant to be read, the authors of which were executed for writing/collecting it. I think one of the ideas was that it was meant to be an "unfiltered" view of the provinces outside of the lens of imperial propaganda. It dips deeply into adjacent places and is basically an alternate universe Tamriel.

>>46150218
Have people still been posting in the old thread?

>>46149482
Amen anon.

This also espouses why reddit is such a terrible website in general.

>>46150291
Only a little bit since no one linked to this one.

>>46150276
And, seriously,
>Acausal Interrupt!

You can't get better than that.

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Hey /tgesg/, how's it going? Been a while. I miss any TES related news these last few months?

>>46150495
Nah

>>46150495
Yoooooo

>>46150495
Nothing that isn't baseless rumors and I highly doubt we will get anything substantial until Bethesda finishes up with with Fo4, and even then I wouldn't expect shit from them before like, 2020.

>>46150519
>>46150579
Ah, so the usual then! Wonderful.

>>46150555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkfQP2KeMPo

>We've gone through two threads in one day.
And you guys said these threads would never last to now.

What sort of quests might a king send his knights on in Tamriel? Collect some calipers? Punch a guar? Make a pillow from hagraven feathers?

>>46150773
Slay a tiger.

>>46150773
Get new shoes.
Fucking guars. The shoemaker is the true king at this point.

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>>46150791

Find the one cobbler in Morrowind who can make shoes for Khajiit & Argonians

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>>46144854
>house Redoran brought Skar to Vvardenfell and established their capital there.

A building the size of the Astrodome got up and walked from Blacklight to Aldruhn. That must have been something to see.

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>>46150276
I guess that's what kind of pisses me off about it.
I think PGE1/PGE3 are great because they are basically the only chances we get to look at the general and practical lore behind a province.
I guess I'm fine with the idea of the Empire wanting a different perspective on their provinces (which would make MIED reasonable in a certain sense (though extremely heretical and likely to piss off a shit ton of Dunmer)), but some of the texts give very little actual information if not just flat out fucking ridiculous (and the Skyrim section is just completely filled up by the unreadable Thereabouts text).
Perhaps I would like it more if they used any other name other than "Pocket Guide to the Empire," as that implies this text was intended to be released to the public (and who in their right mind would compile this knowing that). It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Though I have to say that the Cyrodiil text is incredibly interesting, but way too fucking brazenly revealing to be included.

>>46140131
Tellejousting people over the horizon.

>>46140131
You know that one spot of your back you can't scratch?

>>46140131
Distracting common thugs by stimulating them sexually when they are about to accost you while you are taking the shortcut through the alley on your way home.

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>>46151188
Can we have links to the imperial library articles in question? I can't into acronyms right now.

>>46140131
Impressing your friends at Basketball.

>>46151295
Orgasm will always be the best disable spell.

>>46151339
It ent TIL
>>46147576

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>>46150773
Someone has questioned his right to rule, and they have to track down a macguffin that helps legitimize his power.

A lower-born man has started claiming that they're of the same blood. Though the king is generous enough to entertain him as a guest, he wants his knights to do some digging for him.

A cabal of evil wizards is being generally bad people out in some spooky tower or in a nearby graveyard. Send in the knights!

Negotations are happening with another kingdom that might end in war. As a show of strength, and for protection, the knights are sent with the diplomatic delegation.

A very important merchant is finally returning from a trip to [distant province], and the king wants his knights to act as an escort now that he's within their home borders.

>>46140131
Stealing that master level alchemy equipment from right under that guards nose in Balmora.

>>46140131
I only ever used it on Oblivion, but it was very useful for getting those Welkynd stones down from their higher pedestals without getting them stuck like when you shoot them down with arrows. And you can easily trip a trap that needs a pressure plate, or maybe a tripwire.

If you trust the talk page on uesp, there's a chance you might be able to grab a slow-moving arrow, or stop a trap from swinging into your face. And though it'd be silly, you might be able to move something in front of you to take a spell or an arrow for you.

>>46152154
Skyrim actually made it kinda useful with mods. Apocalypse added a giant death ball you tossed at people with telekinesis and it did good damage. Like a gravity gun.

>>46147546
>>46147546
then its either changed since i was last there... or im thinking about one of the other tes lore subreddits

>>46152101
But you can just lift a full kit from the Ald'Ruhn mage guild

>>46152734
Caldera you mean.

>>46152753
Stop posting and get back to making mods for FO4

Also caldera a shit and Hlaalu a gay.

>>46152915
Caldera's an imperial mining town, not a Hlaalu town.

>>46152923
>implying imps aren't hlaalu

I will fight you n'wah

>>46152938
Hlaalu are all imps but all imps ain't hlaalu. Learn your syllogisms.

>>46152954
Explain camonna tong

>>46153000
Orvas Dren is just in denial.

>>46152101
>>46152734
>>46152753
Or you could just make a pile of cheap potions and buy your way up to the master level as you increase your alchemy skill, then go to to Wolverine Hall and make a gorrilion increase intelligence potions to trade in for the grand master equipment throughout the Telvanni islands.

That or water breathing potions for the luxury alchemist in Balmora for 3'000 drakes at a time.

Quick guys, important question. Is there someone like the Ebony Warrior in Oblivion? Like someone that can match your main character at every turn, or is the closest to that is Jyggalag?

>>46153396
There was the clone you could fight before the Jyggy fight.

>>46151174
The Skar's a crab exoskeleton, so it's very buoyant, of course!

>>46150783
Tigers have been extinct since the First Era. Though, if they're the Nibenese dragons, maybe they're not actually dead.

>>46154797
>ywn paddle skar across the ocean
why
even
live

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The Dunmer have gotten absolutely buttfucked since Morrowind. Do you think it'll turn around for them?
>Gods died
>Rekt by Oblivion
>Rekt by spacerock
>Rekt by lava
>Rekt by lizards
To be Dunmer is to live a life of suffering.

>>46154992
That's kinda the whole point of the Endeavor.

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>>46154992
They'll be okay. Taking fate up the arse is their thing; it's supposed to make them stronger.

>>46155391
They've been my favorite race since Oblivion and I know they're awful people, just sucks watching their entire country get buttfucked because divine powers are a little mad about getting speardickings.

>>46155391
>not "feels good, mer"

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>>46155440
It didn't get quite as buttfucked as one might think. Balmora was rebuilt relatively soon after the Red Year and the Argonians only really fucked up the south-eastern marshlands belonging to House Dres.

Great House Redoran is now the top dog in Morrowind rather than a house with easily bribed outlanders for councillors.

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>>46155523
shit, you're right. How awkward.

>>46154992
>>46155391
>>46155440

Can we at least all agree that the argonians are a race of cowardly savages who suck at fighting?

>be lizard
>live in a hellhole of a swamp
>literally no one invades because it's such useless land
>get rekd by dunmer for thousands of years, do nothing about it becuase you're so weak
>oblivion crisis
>daedra take one look at your shithole of a province and decide it's not worth it and focus on the parts of tamriel that actually matter
>meanwhile the dunmer are taking steps to eliminate slavery
>nah invade 4revenge lol!!!!
>dunmer in a truly awful state by this point, red mountain has erupted, the warrior houses are in disarray and daedra everywhere
>literally go around sacking ruins
>still get defeated by Redoran

Fucking pathetic

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>>46155580
True that, anon. Never trust an argonian.

>>46155440
didn't mean to leave that name, whoops
>>46155580
They tried to invade Oblivion during the crisis, but yeah, they only ever win through guerilla tactics or because their homeland is Tamriel's shithole.

>>46152558
They are quite fond of it, at least now.

>>46154810
That's why it's a quest.

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>>46155555
Quads, fuckin' nice, have a silt strider

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>>46155644
I revised it.

>>46147072
A bit too many boring topics and questions, but I do like it a lot.

>>46147072
I don't know how that place works

>>46148019
It's a bit more gradual than that.
Daggerfall has lore that's still very much present, and Battlespire is weird.

>>46150773
Hunt down and execute a traitor or rebel.
Slay a troublesome giant.
Kill the leader of a band of brigands (or Orcs).
Ensure the security of the King, a member of the royal family, or a member of the court.
Rescue the obligatory kidnapped princess.
One of your knight-brothers has betrayed the King, slay him.
Exorcise the evil spirits from one of the King's many estates.
The corpse of an honoured ancestor or deceased noble has risen from the grave, lay him to rest.
The Mages Guild have accidentally opened a rift to Oblivion, again, and they need you to hold back the otherworldly invaders.
Slay a motherfucking dragon(ling).
Find a legendary artefact for your king.
An ancient lich has woken up, and he's grumpy.

>>46154992
>watching the dunmer get fucked up
Feels great.

>>46155580
>cowardly savages who suck at fighting
>invaded oblivion

>literally no one invades because it's such useless land
Literally not true.

>>46155915
Oh, you're right. I would put Battlespire adjacent to Redguard, though, as things had already been shuffled up. They were planning Morrowind at the same time.

>>46155952
Soon Daggerfall will look as good as Morrowind.

Morrowind already looks almost on par with Oblivion if not even surpassing it in some areas.

>>46155951
Yeah, but it started out as a intended Daggerfall expansion.
I just feel like trying to point out some place where "proper TES starts" is sort of pointless, since it's so gradual.

>>46155952
>daggerfall unity is released
>people start making mods
It's going to be amazing.

>>46155944
>useless land
Its pretty useless to everyone other the the Argonians. The constantly fluctuating water levels, the flesh flies, the incredibly dense forested land, the crazy poison danger beasts living all over.
No sane man or mer would live anywhere deep in the province

>>46155614
Regarding your image, they did catch him eventually right?

>>46156004
Well, not always. The Deep Marsh is rather useless, but areas like Stormhold have some value.

>>46156003
Again, you're right. I don't disagree at all. There's no negative separation in the series, everything is applicable.

>>46156038
No.
Some say he's still masturbating to this day.

>>46156050
Damn filthy imperials

>>46156004
Historically Ayleids, Nedes, Chimer and an extinct race of betmer have lived there.

Oh, but you're completely right about the deep marsh. We don't go there.

>>46155952
That looks pretty damn nice. Eagerly waiting, I might get a chance to play Daggerfall now

>>46155915
>Battlespire is weird
no shit, its a high fantasy demonic invasion of a fucking space station

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>>46156050
If we believe hard enough, he could become our Talos

>>46156092
And as he sees the Wheel...
>I've been jerking everyone off this whole time

>>46156081
Daggerfall is completely playable right now, Anon.

>>46156083
It also has the first appearance of the Daedric Crescent, which is a silly weapon that I like a lot.

>>46156111
>"I masturbate now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine."

>>46156152
It's got nymics. Love nymics. Blessed Mankar keeping it real.

>>46156152
>Daggerfall is completely playable
I spent 3 hours trying to get it running through DOSbox, I don't know if I'm just a retard or if it won't run right on pirated windows

>>46156184
Just get the UESP version, it's already set up or wait for Unity, like me.

>>46156271
Guess I'm just a retard then, thanks anon. Ill be grabbing that later today.

So, how did Fyr get his hand on Samar Starlover's Log?
The only thing I can think of is that he either got it from the Hero of the Battlespire, either directly or indirectly.

>>46156357
Knowing him, he probably did.

>>46156364
It's sort of a interesting text, considering the fact that it mentions an actual dragon that died on the Battlespire.

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>>46155979
It's surprising how well it holds up. And best of all, it's child's play to run it at silky smooth 60 fps. It honestly makes it feel better to play than Skyrim or Oblivion in some ways. Even the fact that there's no physics system for items is kind of a relief, since you don't have to worry about accidentally knocking things over.

>>46156271
The only big problem I have with it is that it won't run cutscenes properly. They're all choppy or something. And the game itself isn't as smooth as I'd like - it's funny when I'd have to get a crappier computer just to run a game properly.

Aside from that, the game works perfectly fine. It's just hard to really get started, and even for a sandbox game you get very little direction as to where to start, and the world is so amazingly huge that you can't explore most of it until you at least save up for a horse, or can buy a boat. I really want to like it more than I do, but it's an amazingly different beast than anything I've ever played, and I just don't think I have what it takes to get anywhere in it.

>>46155952
How complete is Daggerfall unity?

I need to play that game soon

Am I the only one who is frustrated at the obsession with "realistic darkness" mods?

I know Dark Souls made it a fad to live up to some ideal of being a real hardcore gamer, but forcing realistic darkness in TES plain just doesn't work as a game

>>46156920
It's almost necessary in Oblivion.

>>46156956
>>46156920
Plus, these mods for Morrowind and Oblivion predate Dark Souls.

>>46156920
Hey screw you, it's immersive.

is there any engine overhaul for arena in the works? I really want to enjoy it, but the draw distance and the unchangable bumfuck retarded controls ruin it for me

How scandalous are unauthorized orgies?

>>46156527
You don't need a boat, and horse are cheap. Just pillage some cemeteries. The horse isn't needed either, it's just nice to have.
You can go almost everywhere easily.

>>46156920
The Light spell is very practical in Arena, actually. That game has very limiting darkness.

>>46156920
I do it to give my characters and incentive to not try traveling across Skyrim at night.
I don't understand how this "plain just doesn't work"

>>46157283
But the world is so huge, it would take me months to get around on foot, right?

>>46157721
I understand bright nights, two moons, brighter nights, but caves are too bright for me.
>>46157269
That depends where you are. Highrock? Probably fine. Also if you're worshipping Dibella doing it.

>>46156552
I believe all the areas have been added in. Very few npcs have been added and there are no quests.

In Daggerfall, fast travel is essential. In previous games you can walk from place to place, but in Daggerfall you're expected to fast travel. The world isn't as handmade like later titles, nor is there anything going on in the wilderness. Further it would take days of real time to even get anywhere.

>>46157959
Meant for >>46157728

>>46157959
Thanks - but I did actually mean in-game days, even using fast travel. Some quests have to to be done within a time limit, as far as I can understand, especially the end of the main questline.

>>46158075
Oh yeah, then getting a horse does shave some time, but not a lot. If you're pressed for time go recklessly and stop for the night at an inn. Those are the settings given to you when fast traveling. Stopping for the night at an inn costs pocket change, and recklessly means that when you get to your destination you're not guaranteed full health or fatigue, but you'll get there the fastest for sure.

>>46156552
The guy started not so long, he's just working so fast. I follow him on twitter, he posts interesting stuff about its development. https://twitter.com/gav_clayton

>>46157728
Fast travel, learn teleportation if you have to.

>>46158075
It is not hard to stay within limits most of the time. If it seems hard, planning and saving often is essential.

>>46156527
With dosbox-daum the cutscenes always play silky smooth.

>>46156920
>Be in dark cave
>Only beasts live here
>There is somehow sourceless light, rendering lamps and torches useless
Alright.
I use True Darkness mods for the same reason I play Morrowind with music zeroed and MAO. Immersion.

>>46158569
MAO?

>>46158595
Morrowind Acoustic Overhaul.

>>46158683
Oh, yeah

>>46158595
http://download.fliggerty.com/download-76-1045
Basically it adds a fuckton of background sounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kczn6ujlLiM

>>46158551
What's the difference with dosbox daum?

>>46158728
Its a fork of dosbox, it adds several patches and updates the code. I've seem some reports of performance decrease, but from my experience performance increases significantly, especialy when video playback is involved.

>>46156527
I just can't play a game without v-sync

>>46158695
I wish MGSO was updated with newer mods and this one. What happened to the team?

>>46158762
Does it play Daggerfall a lot better?

>>46158864
It exists

>>46158864
Yup. http://ykhwong.x-y.net/safe.php
Go to Download SVN Builds. There is a list of added features under the downloads.

In the shrine of the dead quest for Tribunal, you're told this:
>It is Almelexia's belief that the Shrine of the Dead can be reclaimed, and its power used for the good of Mournhold. Although traditional Temple doctrine disavows ancestor worship, the Lady believes that it has its place, and that the power to be gained from the ancestors is great.

However, Dunmer religion is obviously very heavily about ancestor worship. Can someone explain this inconsistency to me? Is it just Tribunal being too deep in Daggerfall lore?

>>46159686
>The Ghostfence has forced many changes in the practice of ancestor worship. With the vast majority of ancestors' remains going to strengthen the Great Ghostfence around the mountain of Dagoth Ur, there are very few clan ghost fences in Morrowind. The Temple discourages such practices among the Houses as selfish. The upkeep of family tombs and private Waiting Doors has also fallen into disfavor, as very few remains have been buried in these tombs and shrines since the Armistice. In recent years most Dunmer venerate a small portion of their ancestor's remains kept at a local temple.

>>46160001
That isn't "traditional temple Doctrine", Dagoth Ur's reawakening is fairly recent in mer terms. And it's not about discouraging ancestor worship but merely creating ghostfences from their remains instead of sending all remains to Necrom.

>>46160081
I dunno then. Maybe it's about worshiping ancestors _instead_ of Tribunal.

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Does anyone RP in TESO?

>>46160313
No, MMO role play makes me cringe. Almost no one does it well.

>>46160313
I sure hope they don't.

>>46144494
>Theoretically you could also take a crap and just fling it at the races of men.
FTFY*
Do you even Chimer? Do you even Divayth Fyr?

>>46160488
>>46160670
Care elaborate?

What happened to Fyr's Gamma daughter?

>>46161047
Failed experiment. I believe her body is still there, preserved in stasis in Fyr's secret lab under the Corprusarium.

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For those who've played the game, is TESO playable in single player? Just going through story missions and exploring and stuff. Is it even fun?

PUNISHED JIUB
A MER DENIED HIS SOUL

>>46161241
Yes and no.

>>46161241
The zones are filled with creatures that will destroy you if you're not a high enough level so basically the only way to really explore is to level grind which in TESO is basically done by completing menial quests.
Then you give up on the game when you realize that all the territories look like shit.

>>46161310
I mean, they are planing to make it full sandbox, atm you cannot start to play from Valenwood or Eastmarch but ZOS will make all zones scaled so you start playing from any zone.

>>46161241
It's doable, but much better with friends. There's a /tgesg/ guild in Ebonheart. I just started recently and haven't joined yet though.

>>46161346
Yeah, this is what I meant but It will be changed soon. Luckily they'll change them in the next major update (april-june) regards:>>46161354
Cyrondiil, and the DLC zones (Wrothgar and hew' Bane) are already scaled.

>>46161379
>>46161241
Another thing, a few quests and mission are just awful. One quest involved the lusty argonian maid book. Which hasn't been written yet.

>>46161264
Such lust for killing cliff racers.

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>>46161310
>>46161346
>>46161379
I was thinking of getting it but I'm more of a singleplayer guy and I'm pretty sure none of my friends play the game. Honestly I'm just wondering if it's worth buying at all at this point.
>>46161480
Now that's triggering

>>46161480
What quest? And blame Hermaeus Mora for those books (Yeah I know, shit reason for fan service)

>>46161572
I don't remember exactly, you have to make offerings to some dead people, and you have to choose between three items. One is about books and one of the choices is The Lusty Argonian Maid. If it was some random shit that wasn't shown to have been written in Morrowind, I wouldn't mind. Herma Mora be damned.

>>46161537
Only $18.99 at the moment. If I was you, I would buy it after they introduce scaled vanilla zones.

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>Some of the Wizards, who style themselves the Master Wizards, are recognized as being above other Wizards in rank and power. These Wizards have created mouths, copies of their minds in other peoples' bodies, who sit in the Parliament of Bugs to represent them in any conflict. Other Wizards send temporary, fully conscious representatives to the Parliament.
>TR being awesome

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Morrowind has got to be the comfiest game of all time. I think I'm going to reinstall it soon, which means mods. Been a few years since I followed TR's development but I hear they actually pushed out some releases since then. What's the verdict? Pretty good?

>>46161644
>No one has made a image of her dry-humping her pillow

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>>46161610
Tried looking for it and found this, so it is a lore book for the Mages Guild as well. You would think ZOS would understand it wasn't written.

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>>46161644
I like it.
Morrowind is pretty damn comfy in it's own way. Put some warm lighting around the Factor's Estate, share it with a qt3.14, and sit with her by the fire. Tea, mead, sujamma, anything to warm you up. Just life in a comfy, cozy cabin.
Feels good, mer.
>>46161671
How superfluous.

>>46161700
Is this from ESO? What the hell, man. Either Crassius Curio is CHIM or someone fucked up.

>>46161832
That image is the opposite of comfy, look at the boiling water!

>>46161849
It's Hermaeus Mora's fault.

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>>46162039
What? Feels guy just sat down a bit while making spaghetti for his friends. His secret to perfect pasta is just the right amount of failure and self-loathing. The taste is indescribable.

Comfiness levels.
Skyrim > Morrowind > Oblivion

What the fuck is saltrice anyway?

>>46162721
>Saltrice is another of the tasty and nutritious foodstuffs with modest magical properties raised as export crops by Morrowind's farmers and plantation owners. Most saltrice seen in the Empire comes from southeastern Morrowind, but there are also some new and prospering farms and plantations in the Ascadian Isles. Saltrice also grows wild in the Grazelands and on Azura's Coast.
It's the main carbohydrate of dunmer, and the most common dish the locals eat is Saltrice with scuttle, to make something like cheesy grits.or stir fry. It's huge, and I assume it has a bit of a salty flavor, probably from the conditions and location it grows in.

>>46162822
Huge?

>>46162943
Compared to regular rice.
Drop some on a table some time.

>>46162679
I agree, though some places in Morrowind are surprisingly comfy, Caldera, Imperial Forts, Ebonheart.

>>46150995

>Second character I made in Morrowind was an Argonian
>Try to put on a pair of chitin boots
>Can't wear any boots
>Say "Fuck that."
>Save and exit game
>Open up the construction kit.
>Remove feet portion of every set of boots and add them to level and appropriate shop lists.
>I was 10.

Thirteen years later, still annoyed.

>>46161032
>and then he puts his sex in her sex and they have sex

>>46153396

Divayth Fyr will wreck your shit pretty horrifically.

Then again, he is a fucking Immortal and has roughly four thousand years under his belt, he was also a Chimer before they were cursed into Dunmer, is so fucking stupidly powerful that even the Daedra actively avoid fucking with him when he isn't on their own turf, and may or may not have been the protagonist of Battle Spire, not sure on that part though.

Oh, and he made four female immortal clones / daughters of himself that he ended up marrying and fucking lovingly every night.

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>>46155545

Great House Redoran is the only house that truly personifies the Dunmer, and their ancient Chimer ancestors.

Nearly brought to extinction in the Oblivion Crisis when they and the Legion garrison at Fort Buckmoth had more Oblivion gates than anywhere else in the fucking world -including Cyrodiil, opened up all over Vvardenfell, and couldn't get any reinforcements from the Mainland because the fucking Nord savages.

Nearly brought to extinction being the biggest group of badasses and heroes in the world, came back stronger than ever.

>>46162721
>>46162822
It might be something like samphire

>>46163931
given their relative ages, he might have been one of Sotha Sil's tutors amongst the Psjiics

and if someone can put that they taught a god on their CV, they are the sort of person you step VERY lightly around

>>46164016
so why are they using Hlallu shields?

>>46161671

>Her pillow
>Caius Cosades' house.

>>46163931
>in Oblivion
>Fyr
Wait, was he actually in Oblivion?

>>46164148

It's Bonemold, Hlaalu may use a specific type of Bonemold to show off their golden condoms, but it's Bonemold.

Literally everyone in Morrowind except for the Indoril and the Temple use Bonemold.

>>46164216
No.

>>46164170
its not, Caius has a single bed that's against the wall where those shelves are, a chest and shelf where that chair is, a bench where the drawers are, and the room is about 1/2 the size

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>>46164148
They don't in the original picture.

>>46164216

I was confused, thought he was asking if there was anyone in the other games' capable of the same level of sheer fuckery as the player.

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>>46161264
Not even last night's storm could wake him from his decade long coma.

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>>46164216
Yes.

>>46164253
yes, but not that shape
Hlallu shields are the 3 plate ones shown in that pic
Redoran use Kites with a framework top curve

>>46163931
Except he was never a Chimer
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/why-were-dwemer-considered-great-house

>>46164291

Eh, maybe art failure, maybe it's the Redoran adopting a Legion tactic and thought the tower shield fit it better.

>>46164313
that is merely his condition at the time, he predates the changing from chimer to dunmer

>>46164313

But...it's said...SOMEWHERE in Morrowind that he participated in the War of the First Council.

>>46164313
>In-game info states he was
>OOG states he wasn't

>>46164361
I've never heard of this.
>>46164367
Where is it ever stated he was?

>>46164384
>4000 year old

>>46164396
>Dragon breaks
>Exaggeration

>>46164384

It's stated somewhere that he was born in the super-early years of the First Era in Tel Aruhn, as a Chimer.

And, y'know, he's over 4000 years old, so that's a given. He was a Battlemage during the War of the First Council AND during the disappearance of the Dwarves, possibly under the command of Nerevar.

>>46164417
>It's stated somewhere that he was born in the super-early years of the First Era in Tel Aruhn, as a Chimer.
It's from ESO, so it can be disregarded.

>>46164384
>Where is it ever stated he was?
In ESO http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sorcery_is_Not_Necromancy!
By Himself

>>46164447
>>46164430
>>46164417
There are over 2000 years between the WotFC/BoRM and the end of the first era.

>>46164496

>Early years

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>want to play Oblivion
>want to use the spellsword class
>afraid of messing up leveling
>playing on 360 because craptastic computer so mods out of the question
>want major skills to mean something so don't want to use the whole "pick minors as your majors thing"
>mfw
Help plz

>>46164396
Oh wow that extremely rounded number couldn't have been exaggerated
>>46164447
"early First Era" is a pretty fucking vague
Also that book is really bad.

>>46164523
In the same sentence he says his memory is inexact.

Either way, a handful of centuries into an era thousands of years long can still count as early.

>>46162721
>saltrice
>salt rice

>>46164552
In can be rounded down too, you know. Anyway, 4000 is the only official in-game number we have.

>>46164551
>playing unmodded oblivion

just don't

>>46164625
It's not really an official in game number. It's officially what a character in the games said, which leaves it open for biases and misinformation.

>>46164644
And there is literally no other indication of his age, so either we accept he's about 4000 or we know fuck about him at all and he can be 25 or so.

Eh, Divayth Fyr is hardly the only immortal wizard.

Hell, most Telvanni wizards have SOME method of extending their life indefinitely, and then there is the Maomer who have an Immortal God-king that's been around for a long fucking time.

>>46164684
>And there is literally no other indication of his age
Save for, you know,
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/why-were-dwemer-considered-great-house
Where he himself states he was born after the disappearence of the Dwemer

>>46164628
>100 hours vanilla morrowind on Xbox and PC
>75 hours modded daggerfall on PC
>75 hours vanilla oblivion on Xbox 360
>2000 hours vanilla skyrim on Xbox 360
>1000 hours modded skyrim on PC
>1000-1500 hours modded morrowind on PC
>1500-2000 hours TESO on PC
The question is should I download/buy Oblivion?
Regards: different anon.

>>46163931
>he was also a Chimer
Debatable.

>may or may not have been the protagonist of Battle Spire
Not so debatable. It's incredibly unlikely that he was the protagonist of Battlespire.

>>46164712
But did he ever get his coffer back?

>>46164712
>Maomer who have an Immortal God-king
Xplain please. I know pretty much fuck all about the Maormer

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>>46164551
>Unmodded Obilvion on 360
Don't.
Accept the cold embrace of death, only there will you find the answer.

>>46164733
You probably shouldn't even bother honestly despite my previous comment. Oblivion is such an unstable broken piece of shit and modding it is such a pain in the ass crap-shoot that it most likely isn't worth the trouble.

>>46164447
But that book is absolutely terrible.
Let's just look at it this way instead:
Fyr was born after the Dwemer transformed and rolled out, but not long after. He's around (or more) than 3500 years, though he stopped counting and caring a long time ago. Alfe says 4000, because it's more or less correct. It doesn't matter at lot to either of them. Maybe she's trying to brag.

>>46164733
H-hi I'm >>46164551. Got any tips? Also you should because it seems to have lots of mods. Torrent it first to test the waters.
>>46164628
It's not like I have much of choice, do I?

>>46164551
Surely there are at least rough guides out there, right? What sort of magic do you want to be using - stuff to support you in battle, to do extra damage?

Oblivion is honestly great for such classes, since you can actually use a weapon and shield while still using magic - you don't have to switch to magic like in Morrowind, or keep at least one hand free like in Skyrim. So you could juggle both fairly easily.

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>>46164551
Spellsword? Ranged magic until people get close, then hack them up with a sword of your choice. Restoration and alteration for when things get too hairy. conjuration is for pussy ass mages, so don't use that. Go sword and board, or maybe even a greatsword, depending on your preference, but no hammers or axes. You're a battlemage who won't shit himself when someone does manage to get close. I wouldn't recommend bound weapons or armor.

>>46164733
>should I download/buy Oblivion?
If you want to mod it, yes. Most if not all of the problems people have with the game here, are solved by some sort of mod somewhere. Make Cyrodiil a jungle again, make cities more diverse and distinct, deshitify combat, remove potato face. It can look pretty damn nice after a few mods.

>>46164792

Maomer or "Sea Elves" are an off-shoot of the Altmer who reside to the South-East of the Summerset isles, not much is known about them beyond the fact that they are masters of the oceans, are light blue / purple, have very strong ties with the sapient Sea Serpents that reside within the waters of the oceans, have an Immortal God-King that is over 3000 years old who is ludicrously powerful, who has giant sea serpents as his bodyguards and sometimes as a mount and used to possess an enchanted chest that endlessly produces gold, for him and him alone it produced gold infinitely, but it was stolen and for anyone else it "Only" produced tons of it before vanishing into mist.

>>46164016
>That crab in the background
This reminds me of something I wrote once.
In it, there were a lot of monks in a country that went to war. All monks adored "The Way" (They were wanderers) and only ever rested in their spiral-shaped temples.
The main group, worried about the old monks, went to the country to help them somehow. They found that the monks were actually the ones who had started the war, and now were flying around shooting lasers from their UFO spiral temples.
It was fun.

>>46164867
Damn, sonds cool.
Thanks for gibing info anon

>>46164722
>OOG
And WormGod ain't even a writer.

Anyway, the reported age is 4000 and the Disappearance took place 3500 years ago. I seriously doubt anyone would exaggerate fucking 3500 to 4000.

>>46164284
>Morroblivion
.

>>46164930
Middle Dawn.

>>46164860
Probably to buff myself up, with a combination of >>46164865 to make sure I get the most out of my versatility, but I'm mostly afraid of messing up leveling because of scaling. I heard it's just fine on default difficulty, but I dunno.

>>46164867
>play elder kings
>orgnum dies within ten years
>pyandonea balkanizes and becomes a hotbed for eternal civil war
Every fucking time.
The only time anything significant ever happened to that place was when the ruler of Senchal and his family went on vacation there.

>>46164912
They have a habit of fucking over the Altmer at sea, which we can all appreciate.
Though it's just historical fiction, King Orgnum travels to Solitude to meet Potema in The Wolf Queen.

>>46164930
>WormGod
The text is written by someone who has been a dev since Battlespire.
I'm not going to get involved here, but it's definitely a dev text.

>>46165040

Whenever I play Elder Kings as an Immortal, either one already established or one I make myself, Undead or Living (C'mon, Immortality is thrown around so much in TES any sufficiently motivated Mage with possibly a bit of priest ritual knowledge and the like can get it, even if it's a yearly / once every decade/century thing.) I just admit I'm going for power fantasy and cheat it a bit so my undead doesn't have a heart attack from fucking his descendants too much.

>>46164930
Divayth Fyr is basically Gary Noonan's personal character dude.
Dismissing this text like that is like saying that nothng Kurt Kuhlmann writes as Hasphat or nothing Kirkbride writes as Vivec should be taken seriously.

>>46165162
I'm prone to do the same. I've only once played a immortal, and that was when I played a Atmoran warrior queen who became a lich.
She was created with some slight cheating as an intentionally overpowered character, made to exploit the magic system, which at the time was more broken than it is right now.
Started out as a chieftain in one of the few surviving holdouts on Atmora, stopped playing as Empress of the Atmoran Empire, consisting of Atmora, Skyrim, Morrowind, and most of Black Marsh. It was in a way earlier and more easily broken version of the mod.

>>46162822
I find it interesting how the Nibense are often considered Chinese, but Vvardenfell is kind of Chinese too.

A long-standing culture emphasizing stability and order with a ruler considered to be, if not a full god, then godlike, and with a religion with the worship of many different gods. And they often follow the wisdom of their ancestors and their writings, and within recent years have declined in power and were brought under the sway of western powers.

How do we know that this is the last kalpa? Why won't things keep on going?

>>46165249
It's pretty much due to one thing: It's the one we're seeing.

That's not the only reason, but it's all you need to prove it.

>>46163917
It doesn't get much better on dedicated erp mucks.

>most people are not writers
>Actual writers get sick of everyone else's shit and leave.

>>46165275
But the Kalpa before ours was the one the people of that kalpa were seeing, so is that proof that the kalpa before ours was the last?
Not that guy you answered, but that is not really proving anything as far as I see.

>>46165221

I guarantee you that no matter how powerful or skilled you made a character, they would die within 500 years due to some stupid random thing, or an assassination plot that they somehow missed despite having been dealing with such things for millennia.

>>46165221

So you Mannimarco 2: Conan with Tits Boogaloo?

>>46165315
It has nothing to do with what the people in universe saw. It's what we, the viewer see.

>>46165372
Player attachment's irrelevant. If it weren't, Bethesda wouldn't fuck the Dunmer so hard.

>>46165372
Oh, I also had considered that you meant it that way but discardet that idea.
I mean, they kinda want to build a world, and beginning a new kalpa now and then would be counter productive in fleshing something out, wouldn't it? And they'd need to design all new shit which they probably not want to expend money on, I mean if they begin a new kalpa they would need to make a kinda new setting and they probably do not want to risk losing a part of their playerbase.
I mean, if they just dropped the whole franchise right now, why would you assume that this kalpa suddenly is the first and only not to end?

>>46165330
Oh yeah, I know, and if I ran a immortality playthrough I'd probably cheat/savescum around that. Maybe not assassination, but definitely something like a cheap random event. I've played the mod a lot, and looked into/tweaked the files. Always kind of wanted to make a fork/submit some of the events I wrote, but that's all so outdated now that I won't bother.
I'd allow it under some circumstances, like if it makes for a good story.

>>46165355
Pretty much. Once I went Eplear 2: Incestuous Boogaloo.
Though that playthrough got depressive after a while. The last two decades of the first Empress of the Annorros Dynasty were basically power struggles over a corpse empress. Probably one of my favourite characters in terms of story, though maybe not in terms of actual gameplay.
It sounds autistic, but I used to write down a "diary" of important events that happened in the lives of my characters at some point, in particular playthroughs.

>>46165457
Not only the Dunmer, but Vvardenfell as well, so you're sure the house you built and places you visited are nothing but ashes.

>>46165484

Why the fuck would that be autistic?

Autism is a social disorder relating to the inability to pick up certain social cues and rules.

Being really into a hobby and being invested in characters is not autistic, talking about it to some random fucks who aren't already in a conversation about the topic in question IS autistic.

>>46165457
Yeah. The kalpa system is just a good piece of background lore, and a great excuse to reboot the series - and always have a risk of the world literally ending if you fail.

>>46165457
That's just another, very important step, in why this is the last kalpa.

>>46165480
I can't think of any examples, but in pretty much all stories you're seeing the "but this time, it's different" version.

1. Alduin has been stopped multiple times
2. We plainly see how the buildup of every previous kalpa is coming to a head in this one
3. Other things I am forgetting
4. The person who came up with the idea of kalpas (in TES) wrote a story where the entire cycle came to fruition resulting in Amaranth

>>46165618
But wouldn't #4 go against c0da? Sure, it would be really the only reason the kalpa system would stop...

>>46165732
Huh? 4 is referring to C0DA.

>>46165748
I'm probably wrong, but isn't c0da where all the dunmer and khajiit end up on the moons and Vivec marries Tiber Septim?

>>46165787
Er, no, well, you're wrong about the last part.

They do end up on the moons, the Numidium is defeated, Vivec marries a character named Jubal who may be another Nerevarine, Lorkhan and Akatosh cordially shake hands and Amaranth is achieved.

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>And in the days of interregnum, the Chim-el Adabal was lost again amid the petty wars of gone-heathen kings. West and east knew no union then and all the lands outside of them saw Cyrodiil as a nest of snakemen and snakes. And for four more hundreds of years did the seat of Reman stay sundered, with only the machinations of a group of loyal knights keeping all its borders from throwing wide.
>These loyal knights did go by no name then, but were known by their eastern swords and painted eyes, and it was whispered that they were descended from the bodyguard of old Reman. One of their number, called the Chevalier Renald, discovered the prowess of Cuhlecain and then supported him towards the throne. Only later would it be revealed that Renald did this thing to come closer to Talos, anon Stormcrown, the glorious yet-emperor Tiber Septim; only later still, that he was under instruction by a pig.

Who was the pig?

>>46165864
Huh. That's a good question.

Pig makes me think Orsimer, but I doubt it.

Who could Zurin be taking orders from?

It does remind me of one comment about Tiber becoming and Orc and fighting himself to win the approval of every side.

>>46150660
"It's mostly lies, leavened with rumor and conjecture."

>>46155545
>That picture
>Worried Silt-Strider Noises

House Redoran seems like the least insular Great House, Telvanni are Telvanni, Hlaalu are more open but they're also not that Great.

Is the 2nd Pocket Guide to the Empire posted on here the complete version? Cause it seems very incomplete

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Do think we'll ever see the Maormer in-game other than TESO? Will Bethesda do following:
>Maormer were wiped out by the Third Aldmeri Dominion between the events of TES Y and TES X etc.

>>46166550
I'm coming to believe that I am the only person in the entire world that like Hlaalu.

>>46166716
I think they're alright. Maybe not as great as Telvanni, but I admire their business sense.

>>46166716
They're literally le happy merchants with all sorts of deviants in their house

>>46166715
Do you think*

>>46166755
>Not wanting to be a happy merchant
Besides, if you weren't already a deviant, you wouldn't be here.

>>46166770
Well, we saw a sentient Falmer, so I suppose it's likely.