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DREAD

KNIGHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6m2kGtbDOc

>>46165127
kek

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>Orks are a melee race!

>>46164874
Are the 7th Ed DKoK rules out yet?

>>46165252
It really captures the spirit of a 90's toy commercial perfectly.

I lost it at the blocks part.

>>46165290
its what i see in my head whenever anybody mentions AoS

>>46165266
A deff dread will beat a daemon prince in combat.

Is a Palanquin worth it on a Herald of Nurgle? He'll probably be in a unit of Plaguebearers anyway...

>>46165333
My store has that for $175

I was looking into it. It certainly has a bunch of gaunts I will need.

How are gargoyles?

A player at my LGS talked me out of buying the start collecting box because of them.

>>46165427
They're winged termagants. They're okay and can be nifty just to help apply pressure in the early turns. The Warriors are the real shame in the Start Collecting box.

>>46165415
Not really but I guess it could work if you're loading him up with gifts like a GoTN or that new doom bell thingy.

>>46165400
i really doubt that

7 attacks hitting on 5s and wounding on 2s, having to go through invulns and probably feel no pain isnt great. And this is assumung it charges and also has 4 claws

>>46165288
>yet

Nigger please. 8th edition will be out before those IA's are updated.

>>46165560
At strength 10 it will instant death a prince while the prince glances it on 6s.

>>46165507
The quality of warriors depends almost entirely on how much S8+ you come up against.

If they were able to get gaunts to catch bullets for them (2+ look out sir style) they'd be pretty choice.

>>46165127

You really have to wonder why these things even sell.

>>46165415
Not for 40 points. Give him ML's and a gift.

>>46165586
ah, could have sworn dp's were t6

>>46165590

There's probably a 100% correlation between Grey Knight players and AoS players.

>>46165643
Only in the Infernal Tetrad.

>>46165643

They're T8 if you're playing them right.

I need help with a list. I face mech guard, space Marines, nids and Eldar and get close games with the old first of this list, made some modifications.
1500 points orks
>Non force org
barebones mek
>Hq
Pain boy
Warboss - powerklaw eavy Armour shoota bosspole cybork body
>Elite
12 tankbustas with 2 bomb squigs in trukk with rr
>Troops
19 shoota Boyz, 1 big shoota and nob bs pk x2
10 Gretchen
>fast attack
Dakkajet, flyboss, 3 super shoota
20 stormboyz, nob bs pk
>heavy support
Battlewagon with rr, one big shoota
Battlewagon with rr, two rokkit launchers
10 lootas

I play more defensive and maelstrom usually
Mek is just there to follow Battlewagon and die, 2 hqs and shoota Boyz in Battlewagon. Not sure what to do with stormboyz, probably hunt some infantry down and use jet packs to easily block los

>>46165507
I think I will go for the Swarm Box. I could get it on Saturday and would be a huge bump for my army.

It took me over a month to paint what I already have though =/

>>46165643
nurgle ones are.

>>46165733

Only if they're on a bike.

>>46165704
That's more painting than a lot of people do. Good job.

>>46165684
Your list would be much better if you dropped the Stormboys and took another 12 tasnkbustas.

Drop the PK on the Shoota Boy Nob.

Drop Cybork if he is in the same unit as the Painboy.

What is the second Battle Wagon doing? Want to assume outlet for Lootas to sit in?

>>46165643
T5, according to the 6E codex. Huh. Guess I need to be using my Medusa Siege Guns a bit more.

>>46165643
A CSM DP with mark of nurgle is T6.
But Daemons have better DP's, and there are other ways to buff them.

>>46165733
No they aren't.
>>46165745
They can't even take bikes.

>>46165745
DP on a bike huh? You must play a whole lot of 40k, your mastery of the rules is obvious. Link blog plz.

>>46165772

>Daemon Princes Can't take bikes
>Laughing Doomrider

>>46165767
They cannot take Mark of Nurgle either.

>>46165767
CSM DP can't take a Mark of Nurgle.

Prior to the Wulfen book, I think CSM DP's had a use as summoner's with a spell familiar, but the new artifacts and power are just too good to pass up.

>>46165772
>he doesnt have a bike dp

>>46165756
There's 2 squads of shoot Boyz, it says x2
And I really want to try stormboyz out. only anti infantry I have boyz and lootas and the jet. Only anti amour I have Is melee powerklaws tankbustas the jet and lootas. It's pretty balanced

Should I spend some of my next paycheck on finishing my 40k army so I will never buy 40k until next edition (10 stormboyz, an hq and some Gretchen and warbuggies)
Or
Spend it on my new small fantasy army I'm starting, (80 clanrats, a box of stormvermin, maybe a warp lighting cannon or doomwheel)
So space orks vs Skaven...

>>46165751
Thanks!
They aren't anything great, if I had a proper camera I would post pictures but I wanted my first match to be nice and painted.
The shop has really cool Tyranid scenery (spike things and stuff that stick out)

I am painting them like Hive Fleet Colossus (bone and red)

>>46165867
Buy whatever models you prefer. And talk with some people to tone lists down, so can have fun as well

>>46165837
Ah missed that.

You're putting yourself in a situation where you have to choose. Are your Dakka Jets / Lootas anti infantry or soft vehicle counter? Either way you're forced to pick between killing one unit or killing another. This isn't a balanced list in this regard because it isn't dedicated to taking down what it needs to take down.

Leave your Boys, Dakka Jets, Lootas for anti-infantry, and then focus on getting more anti-tank / anti-mc, of which Tankbustas are both.

Putting Warbosses in Tankbustas allows the Warboss to get some Tankhunter goodness for some Str 10 hits on vehicles.

You're lacking pie plates, and you're lacking maneuverability outside of the Stormboys, which lets face it are a one trick pony.

You need multiple dedicated anti tank / anti mc.

Drop the PK's on the Nobs in the Shoota boys, 50 points saved right there. Drop the grots, you're already min squad tax and need those points spent elsewhere, similary, you have a lot of anti-infantry so outright dropping one of those 20 strong boy squads, because you've got the stormboys doing that role, and using those points + the dropped PK's to buy more tankbustas would go much further.

>>46165569
Well then should I just keep using 6th edition rules for them in 7th?

>>46165803
yeah they can

>>46165127
As a Grey Knight player, this is side-splitting.
(Is two Dreadknights at 1500 pts cheesy?) I try to stick to one, but then it gets taken out too fast.

My local GW gets super pissy if you say 7th edition. The manager keeps claiming GW have done away with editions now.

>>46165939
If I drop a 20 boy squad i also drop a battlewagon which frees up a heavy support slot.
Anything to do with that? Get 15 tankbustas in a battlewagon?

>>46166148
It's not cheesy, seeing as the only other viable non-vehicle units in our codex are Terminators and Librarians.

>>46166148

Honestly I don't give a shit if you take three from a balance standpoint. They're not -that- hard to win against.

Where I get a bit offended is looking at the fucking things.

>>46166164
everytime he gets pissy at you, just ask him how AoS is selling for him...

that should calm him down :^)

>>46166189

>Spamming a high powered model isn't cheese if the rest of the book is a little weak

>>46166075
Where does the codex state that? You can make him into a demon of nurgle, which is something different entirely, but no marks for demon princes

>>46166219
What else are you going to fill the Heavy Support slot with? Purgators? A lonely Land Raider?

Saw another new player post last thread so throwing out mine as well. I have gotten three games in thus far and have had good results. I lost once against Necrons but for the msot part Wave Serpents are great. They are one of my favorite models.

Autarch (75pts)
>Banshee mask, Shuriken pistol

Wraithblades (425pts)
>10x Ghost Axe and Forceshield
Wave Serpent
>Holo-fields, 2x Twin-linked shuriken cannons

10x Dire Avenger (255pts)
Wave Serpent
>Holo-fields, 2x Twin-linked shuriken cannons

9x Dire Avenger (242pts)
Wave Serpent
>Holo-fields, 2x Twin-linked shuriken cannons

997/1000

Is there anything really wrong with how I am running? I have been thinking of running some jetbikes or something fast to be a bit quicker.
Necron Wraiths are just too strong for even my wraith blades it seems.

I don't think I am ready to get a knight but perhaps a Wraith Lord would be a good thing.
On the other hand Fire Prisms would be fun.

>>46166172
Oops, posted wrong list.

Warboss - 140
>Bike, Lukky Stikk, PK, BP

Painboy - 75
>Bike

2x Grots - 70

2x 10 Tankbustas - 360
>3 Bomb Squigs, Trukk w/ Ram

15 Warbikers - 280
>Nob

2x 1 Dakka Jets - 290
>Supa Shoota / Flyboss

Traktor Kannon - 39
>Grots, ammo runt

Traktor Kannon - 39
>Grots, ammo runt

5 Kustom Mega Kannon - 195
>Grots, ammo runt

1488

>>46166164
Idk how you guys can tolerate being in a GW. The one here is run by the sleaziest guy.. and his playerbase is about a dozen or so strong - almost entirely composed of that guys.

Thank god there are two booming flgs in town. If I had to play in a GW I'd just quit.

>>46166299

You don't need to take three HS choices you know.

>>46166421
Man finding my LGS was the awakening for me to the hobby. I actually ended up reporting the GW employee I started with because he was such a dick.

Now the models are cheaper, the paint selection is wider and the players are better.

The GW players took crazy net list against my...

Dread Mob

>>46166421

Britain dude. FLGS don't really exist here, and the few that do have a lonely little corner table for MTG players at most.

>>46166521
It's 2 in the Nemesis Strike Force.

>>46166421
GWs vary wildly in quality- manager at mine is a decent guy, genuinely tries to help people out.
My only complaint is some of the younger guys who come still haven't worked out that acting out isn't funny yet, but if they don't have people who will tolerate them while calling them out on it they'll never learn.

>>46166227
what does demon of nurgle even do anyway?

>>46166566
>acting out isn't funny yet,
Do you mean overreacting or fluffing stuff out.

We fluff up stuff all the time at my shop and it is great.

>>46166614

Shrouded, can't run, defensive grenades.

It's mostly shit.

>>46166566
what you mean retards screaming

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGH

HEREASSSSY BLAM BLAM

BLUD 4 DA BLUD GUD

doesnt getting annoying?

>>46166641
gross, it should be +1t

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>>46166535
welcome to my hell. 1k point game.

Dread Mob vs 3 Riptides

2 turns later, I was tabled.

>>46166421
My GW aint all that bad, most people are nice manager is okay (often tries to sell me stuff I dont need, but hey its a store) also they have good gaming tables

>>46166641
and hatred (demons of tzeench)

>>46166622
Running around the store, stealing one another's seats, hiding each others' shit, playfighting basically. Socially awkward kids acting up because they're socially awkward kids.

It's pretty inevitable, but sometimes they're in danger of wrestling one another into gaming tables or the shelves, or just giving a bad image to the parents who are leaving their kids in the store to paint with the manager because it's a nice crafty hobby that isn't starting at a screen.

I can deal with the kid who always yells 'WAAAAAAAAAAGH!' at the top of his pubescent lungs when he declares a charge because he's just being enthusiastic.

Jesus Christ I'm too young to feel this old

>>46166751
>not starting a fightclub underneath your lgs
nerd kek

Havent played in like, half a year. Have any new codexes come out? Any supplements to orks? Blood angels?

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>>46166683
>welcome to my hell.

>mfw I traded Ork Walkers for a Reclamation Legion

>>46166824
>Starting a fightclub filled with kids

Yeah, sounds like a great idea.

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>>46166839
>Orks

They got an updated supplement, you're in for a treat.

>>46166751
Oh man that wouldn't be cool at all.
Our youngest player is 16 I think and he probably roleplays less then most of the 30+ y/o

>>46166839
>blood angels update when?

Nobody cares about blood angels

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>>46166854
>mfw I still havent painted the Ork Walkers

>>46166857
>sounds like a great idea.
it is, think about it, youd never lose.

>>46166691

My flgs is God tier apart from one WAAC eldar player. I just can't help but feel awkward when Im around a bunch of chubby or lanky nerds that don't own razors. One guy brought his girlfriend once and never came back after she started flirting with me during a game.

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>>46166862
Whats the worst that could happen?

>>46166871
I care about blood angels.

And melee..

>>46166871
Not the anon you replied to, but I care about BA getting updated. What army do you play

>>46166870
Bulk of this playerbase is probably 14/15-19. Manager has the patience of a saint.

>>46166997
You must also, I could not play with high schoolers at all

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>>46166978
I also care about melee, that's why I play daemons!
>tfw when your daemonettes get charged by an Ork mob only to wipe all of them out before they get to hit

>>46166985
Yiffs. Go figure :^)

>>46167056
>typical Ork assault phase
>typical Ork game

>>46167066
kek you probably wish you never got updated

>>46167031
I'm still young enough to remember being them, and the most mature ones are some of the youngest.
There are also some cool old-school vets, like the guy with fully painted GKs, Blood Angels, metal Sisters and Harlequins.

The only alternative would be the college games society, and... no. Awkward teens are better than full-WAAC college students.

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>>46166874
I just started painting some of the Necrons and only got three games in with them thus far.

My best friend really likes them and he suggested the color scheme I am going with so if in the end he buys them off me that would be just fine.

He is already talking about getting a Start Collecting Necron box after he painted one of my tombblades

Got 'em

>>46166978
You now get rapped by just about everyone but maybe Nids, Bangles, and Sisters. Tau, Eldar, and Necrons are OP-OP. Orks will get tabled in maybe two turns and recently there was an update that many had hope for but got their hopes broken. Also there's some idiots who need several kidney stones for posting
>Orks are a melee race!
>I2!
We get it, Orks got shafted hard but must you keep reminding us?

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>>46167056
>>46167084
>playing with mate
>space marine vs orks
>my mek kannons are pounding holes in his forces
>surround his chapter master with two trukks loaded with boys and two nobz with a powerklaw
>think him dead to rights and ask to just skip rolling 60+ dice
>friend declines
>60 dice later i havent even touched the commander
>squad breaks and gets swept

>>46167142
What's with all the blue necrons lately?
There's a guy at the LGS and the local GW that both have blue armies, it's that same metallic blue as well
Is there a fluff piece or something?

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>>46167214
Damn really? Here I was thinking I was original as fuck.

My Ravenwing are painted like the NFL team , the Vikings so my friend suggested I make my Necrons similar to the Bears for teh luls.

I settled on a blue glaze and kept the warplock bronze armor and weapons that they army came with. Then I used the Metalic Gold color to get an orange on them.

To be honest all I have done is prime the unprimed. My friend has been painting them.
and I am so proud

>>46167214
Thokt a best.

What's the most Muslim race/faction in 40k?

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>>46167586

>>46167586
Thousand Sons

>>46167586
>Muslim
>race
um, anon...

>>46167586
Thousand Sons are from future middle east, working on the enlightened desert wisemen idea. That's probably the closest you're going to get. Maybe Tallern Desert Raiders too if you want to run the cliche a bit.

And yeah, I do realise muslim doesn't mean desert culture, but given you've got stuff like not!mongols and not!soviet URAH human wave tactics I think we can safely say that 40k doesn't go into for subtle with its cultural copying.

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>MFW people answering peoples questions on the FB FAQ thread.

STOP GIVING PEOPLE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ON HOW YOU SEE IT, THEY QUESTIONS ARE FREQUENTLY ASKED FOR A REASON.

>>46167382
>My Ravenwing are painted like the NFL team , the Vikings so my friend suggested I make my Necrons similar to the Bears for teh luls.

That is the best reason I have heard in a long time. Are you from either state?
If your friend picks up the army it will make for a fun scene.
Plus everyone is playing painted. Win - win.

>>46167084
I had a group of 15 daemons including the herald, alluress with greater eatherblade and herald greater eatherblade and loci of beguilement, vs group of 12 slugga boys in a trukk.
They drove up to them and blasted them killing 5 and charges them only for me to score 16 hits and exactly 13 wounds wiping the squad.

>>46167382
Friends don't let friends start Necrons.

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>>46167586

>>46167842
This. Everyone goes on about how easy they are to paint, but clipping them cleanly out of the sprues without messing up their chins is pretty tricky for a noob.

>>46167586
>Religious brainwashing
>Zealots who venerate someone who is long dead
>Wants to destroy anyone who does not share in their beliefs

I wonder

>>46167915
Two Words:

Ghost Arks

Never have I ever seen someone so upset while building a model.

How much Forge World gets played at your local store? We have very little and it saddens me - I'd like to play against it some time.

>>46167954
They arent bad, they just take fucking 6 hours to put together and another 10 to paint

>>46167954
That too. Especially as new players are more likely to build before painting because they don't know better.

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>>46167977
Lots

I play armies that are nothing but forgeworld

It tickles my insides when eldar players bitch about my "Op forgeworld shit"

>>46152618
Problem is the Siege Automata is not that tall. He looks fucking awesome though. Thallax I am thinking could be good stand-ins for the Rustalkers/Infiltrators.

Just wish I knew what to make with that Siege Automata.

>>46167997

I've had mine sitting half painted for six months because it's impossible to use without painting sub assemblies before building, and in the meantime I've moved onto playing a different army.

>>46167930
So, Chaos Undivided?

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>>46167816
>Are you from either state?
Yes we are Chicagoans

>>46167842
He read all three codexes I owned and like the Necrons the most. He played all the games on steam so has a general idea of some of the universe now. If he wants to play Necrons and I can get him to play 40k with me by selling my alternative army at a discount then I will most certainly let him play Necrons.

The lot consists of three formations - Reclamation Legion, Royal Court and Annihilation Nexus.

No destroyer cult (but three destroyers) and no Canoptek Harvest.

>>46168023
>Especially as new players are more likely to build before painting because they don't know better.

Yeah my entire Necron army was 90% prebuilt and it is hell.

if i already have 6 venoms, is it worth taking 2 10 man kabbies in raiders with racks and a cannon, or 2 ravagers instead and having a few points to toss around for upgrades here and there

>>46168027

We've got one guy with some Nurgle stuff (plague hulk, etc) and one or two IG players with some extras but its mostly book stuff at my shop.

I'm thinking of branching into some FW stuff - we've got a competitive but cool store so I figure it will challenge everyone.

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>tfw my favorite recaster listened to my request too add a certain item to be in his inventory

>>46168140
Do you only have Kalabites in the venoms? If so then yes if not I am a real fan of a couple raiders full of dudes. It also drops off a larger number on the objective you really want to hold.

>>46168160
Was it CCON?
He has done the same for me, though ther eis no guarantee either of us are the only person asking.
Still it feels good.

>>46168178
2 squads of kabbies, 3 of blasterborn, and an archon with his own personal venom

>>46167586
orks

>>46168027
I had this faggot playing Taudar in 6th edition refuse to play against my garbage CSM rhino list because "FW is cheese".

The slimeball store manager backed him up. Ive never been back since.

>>46168178
>If so then yes if not
wow I messed that up.

From what you said >>46168212 I would take the two raiders full. It is a good boost in points and it really does do well against larger units.

What would you take the Ravagers for?

>>46167954
That is not merely building a model, that model was designed for long snowy winter days. Lots of them

>>46166358
Bumping this.
Looking to have a 1500pt list by the end of April so would like to know what deals to start hunting.

>>46168310
longer range AT shots mainly since the blasterborn probably wont be in firing range turn 1, i figure that 6 venoms + a razorwing is probably enough firepower to hose down most big blobs or pile the pain onto a deathstar

>>46168439
Perhaps drop 1 Venom of Blasterborn and fit in one Raider and a Ravager.

Before I post this asking for advice - I totally understand I'm garbage, ruining 40k, etc.

Currently my War Convocation is

10x Vanguard - 3x Calivers
5x Rangers - 2x Arquebus
5x Infiltrators
5x Ruststalkers
Ironstrider
Onager Dune Crawler

Tech Priest Dominus
3x Grav Kataphron
3x Grav Kataphron

Knight Crusader w/Battle Cannon/Stormspear Rocket Pod

Inquisitor - ML1, Psyocculum, Liber Hersius, 3x Servo Skulls

BA Librarian - ML1

5x Scouts

3x Drop Pod

Assorted upgrades.

I'm considering swapp the BA Librarian for a Sanguinary Priest, dropping ML 1 on the Inquisitor and for the change I can change my Iron Strider to 2 Dragoons. Thoughts on the swap out?

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Does anyone have a version of this but with daemonic instead of demonic?

>>46168474
>I'm considering swapp the BA Librarian for a Sanguinary Priest, dropping ML 1 on the Inquisitor and for the change I can change my Iron Strider to 2 Dragoons. Thoughts on the swap out?

I like it. I have seen way scummier allies with a war convo but you are stilla faggot :^).
Dragoons can be pretty nifty and I think you could get more value versus the solo strider.

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>>46168485

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>>46168563
Thanks. Have an attempt at daemon Perturabo.

>>46168525

It is that or I free up another 15ish points for a second Ironstrider.

In the past probably 10 games I have been surprised by how good a move 9" Las Cannon platform has been.

>>46167586
Literally the Tallarn.

Even if you have virtually no understanding of their fluff, that one should be obvious just by looking at the models.

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>>46168638
>In the past probably 10 games I have been surprised by how good a move 9" Las Cannon platform has been.
Having faced multiple Striders I agree. If you could take a second one instead that would be good.

Still having one of each perhaps may cover more angles.

>>46168772
Yes? And? Why must you remind us that saw how the Ork players' hopes and dreams got crushed about it again? It gets old and moldy. Like bread.

>>46168794

Figure it out - dropped the Liber Hersius (nice but not super necessary) and the auspex from the sanguinary priest. That clears enough for a 2nd Ironstrider.

Overall I think it is a solid change - I lose a few tools from my tool box but I gain another unit to drop and a 2nd solid LC platform.

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So now you can take iridium armor and fusion blades.

Is the Tau commander one of the hardest characters in the game?

T:5 W:4 2+/4++/5*FNP

5 attacks striking at I:4 at strength 8?

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>>46168772
It still hurts

>>46168473
i think i'll try that out next time, but i'm a fan of redundancy measures, especially with this army

>>46167805
Jesus Christ, don't even get me started.

All I asked was for official clarification on whether or not a Baleflamer was considered a Flamer Weapon.

I outlined both argumenst:

FOR -

>It shoots a Template weapon in the exact same manner as a Flamer weapon
>It looks like a Chaos Flamer (like the Flamer in the Helbrute kit)
>It is described as shooting flames
>It has flamer in the name

AGAINST:
>It isn't in The Rules as a Flamer, nor is it explicitly stated in the Codex that it is a Flamer weapon.
>It is described as shooting *Daemonic fire, which can be either actual fire or Warp-fuckery.

The other stipulation I made was that the current Codex came out before they released 7th Edition, and therefore doesn't have Flamer Weapons listed because few, if any, weapons were identified as Flamers beyond the basics in the Rulebook of that edition, whereas newer codecies have those weapons listed explictly as Flamers. It may very well be a Flamer, but that clarification wasn't necessary at the time of its release, so they may not have said it.

All I wanted was an official "Yes," or "No." Instead I got a bunch of random strangers shitposting "READ THE RULES" and "TEMPLATES AREN'T FLAMERS," and "IF IT'S NOT LISTED AS A FLAMER THAN IT ISN'T ONE," completely missing the point of why this question even needed to be asked.

Also, people asking really stupid shit that actually CAN be solved by a quick glance at the rules, like, "How does the Assault phase work?" Which bury ACTUAL questions that need FAQ's in trivial bullshit and greatly reduce the chance they'll be responded to by GW themselves.

>>46168772
>Literally the only new thing is Ghaz getting infinite Waagh use

It will never be worth it.

>>46168772
Not a single variable quantity in any of them

For fucks sake this is garbage

Some 0-1 or 2+ would have worked a fucking world of wonder

>>46167805
God yes.
I know both sides of the debate, I probably have my own house ruling for what we do in our playgroup, I don't care what yet another internet pleb has to say about it.

>>46167193
This would be why you always roll.

>>46168872
yeah its pretty bullshit

>>46168968
>For fucks sake this is garbage
Whoever wrote it must have been a Taudar player and gets off seeing Orks tabled.

>>46169062

I wish Pain Mob had been a core choice.

>>46168873

Pepe needs a Bane mask.

>Crashing this game.
>With no survivors!

>>46169113
Monkey's paw. Pain was brought but only for mobs of Ork players.

>>46169045
Sure but you gotta admit thats one of the luckiest chapter masters to ever be tabled

>>46166366
>5 Kustom Mega Kannons
Scratch built, Chinaman, or cashed in your 401k for 40k?

>>46168027
This exactly. There's an Eldar faggot at my FLGS that runs 6 squads of wraithguard all in Wave Serpents. And he refuses to ever play anyone with forgeworld stuff.

Fucking niggerbitch cunt space-elf, as if my 270 point 3-HP walker is any more OP than your 30 Strength D flamers.

>>46168922
If it helps, in the khorne daemonkin codex, which is a 7th ed codex, it still isn't listed as a flamer.

>>46168872
>4++

Nope.

Ok, so list tailoring is Not Cool, and I try to build TAC lists, but does anyone see merit in an mtg-esque 'sideboard' system for campaigns, tournaments etc.?

You could set a maximum number of points, units, models, or any combination of those, that can be changed out for a pre-defined alternative that you must be able to WYSIWYG.

You wouldn't be able to use it to fully tailor your list against a certain army, but you could let people trade special/ heavy weapons, HQ loadouts etc.

>>46169773
>make the game more bloated

Why not just balance the game. You're supposed to change your armies for each campaign game anyway.

>>46169773

I've played in a few 'side board' style tournaments. Always been fun if a little unwieldy. I do enjoy the concept of having a few extra tricks and options that allow you to edit your list mid event.

>>46169540
Shield Generator bro

>>46168772
All I see is the speshulists formation unfucking my heavy support slot.
>I've got a CAD and three formations of one mob of lootas each.

>>46169773
Might work if you give people a limited amount of substitute units instead, since otherwise swapping out would favor those with really customizable loadouts.

That said, it's a bit of a moot point with the current power gulf, as list tailoring is going to be much stronger in the hands of Tau than it is for Orks

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He's coming back because not enough people are shooing him. RIP in piece favorite gamers

>>46169539
Yeah, but they literally just copy-pasted all of the unit entries and added in different mechanics. They didn't change anything that already existed, only added new things.

>>46169885
This. It kind of depends on what army you're playing, especially if it's just swapping non-WYSIWYG gear or whole new units. There are also some cases where it matters more than others (swapping to/from template weapons, weapons/gear that grant Skyfire) which could allow for some kind of mean pre-match switch-ups.

>>46169834
>You're supposed to change your armies for each campaign game anyway.

With the way the campaign my store is running works, that would literally just be list tailoring.

>>46168400
>>46166358

You haven't been here long enough to know that /tg/ absolutely HATES Eldar, even apparently really shitty lists like this one.

How exactly do you deal with Anti-Armor? Exchange a squad of Avengers for Fire Dragons at the very least.

Where does you Autarch go? You're just having him get into combat with S3 and no AP?

You're going to be a punching bag for every autist in the game who hates Eldar

>>46169860
Is that how those auxiliary choices that don't have a datasheet / codex page devoted to them work? I thought they only existed for the purposes of the decurion.

>>46169860
Unfortunately the speshulists are not a formation all to them selves, just an auxiliary choice in the Ork decurion so you need to take waaagh-band or goff killmob to unlock it.

>>46169936
While I suspect that's because GW just doesn't give a shit it could also mean that the rules in the CSM codex are still working as they intended and don't want the bale flamer to count as a flamer.

>>46168872
top is probably marines with easy access to 2+ and 3++. certainly hardier then most of my daemons until buffs/rewards start to stack up

>>46170005
>>46170012
Oh well. Fuck my fucking life. I thought I could pick one piece of corn out of this turd, but nope. This really is a sad excuse for a formation.

>>46169999
>How exactly do you deal with Anti-Armor?
That was a problem against Necrons. I couldn't take out the Ghost Arks.
My other two games were against Space Marines and Orks and didn't have anything tougher than a Rhino.

>Where does you Autarch go?
He rides with my Wraithblades in their Serpents

>You're just having him get into combat with S3 and no AP?

Unfortunately. Would you recommend a different HQ or just a better loadout?

>You're going to be a punching bag for every autist in the game who hates Eldar
I think Necrons may have been my first taste of this.
He brought a bunch of the Wraiths that just devoured my army.

Thanks for the advice, I will look into Fire Dragons.

>>46170175
I forget, can Wave Serpents get Bright Lances? That might serve as anti-armor without having to alter much on the list itself.

>>46170082

Dunno, the marine would have to take an unyielding weapon to get through his armor so the commander goes first with 6 strength 8 attacks

>>46170191
>can Wave Serpents get Bright Lances?
Yes, Twin-linked Bright Lances are 5 pts for the turret weapon.

>>46170175
>>46170191

Tell me what models you actually own right now and I will help you make a better 1000 point and 1500 point list

I got 2 boxes of veteran squads off eBay in the mail. I was thinking of making a 10 man drop pod squad with most of them dual wielding pistols and/or plasma pistols, with two flamers or meltaguns and maybe 1-2 power weapons. Would it be worth it to put shields on anyone?

>>46170272
Autrach, Spiritseer, 10 Wraithblades, 25 Dire Avengers and 5 Swooping Hawks

Will probably spend ~$150 improving and adding up to 1500.

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>>46170356
I mostly got them for the robes btw

>>46170244
burning blade while expensive is ap2 and there are some other relics i believe. i'll still give it to the marine due to higher WS and 3++. not to underestimate your guy but if/when i see a cqc tau i'll be laughing out of fear or disbelief.

when i saw a bloodthrister beaten up by a LoC easily i started to believe anything and doubt my daemons

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>>46170371
they are rather stylish

>>46169854

The point is there are 2++ and 3++ HQs.

>>46170356
Put a couple of stormshields on them if you want them to survive. Don't bother with the champ though, blades of caliban are good and all but I don't think it's worth losing a ranged weapon over.

>>46170367

1500 Pts

CAD
1x Autarch w/ Banshee Mask & Power Weapon

1x Farseer Skyrunner w/ Jetbike, Spirit Stone of Anath'lan

3x Windriders w/ Shuriken Cannons

10x Dire Avengers (Exarch Included) in
1x Wave Serpent with Scatter Laser, Underslung Shuriken Cannon and Holo Fields

5x Wraithblades w/ Axe/Shield in
1x Wave Serpent w/ TL Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields

1x Fire Prism

Aspect Host Formation

5x Fire Dragons including Exarch in
1x Wave Serpent w/ TL Bright Lance, Holo Fields

6x Swooping Hawks including Exarch

6x Warp Spiders including Exarch

All Aspect Warriors in the Aspect Host Formation get +1 BS (So they hit their shooting attacks on 2+) and re-roll all failed Morale Checks

Deep Strike your Hawks, hide them, and have them charge a vehicle with Haywire Grenades the next turn. The Fire Prism is kind of a meh vehicle but it can be fun for a new player.

Most importantly, your ENTIRE army is mobile, a minimum of 12" movement

x1 big mek; shokk attack gun/gitfinda- 90 points
x1 warboss; bike/powerklaw- 110 points
x12 tankbustas; trukk transport with rokkit launcha- 186 points
x12 shoota boyz; powerklaw boss pole nob/trukk transport- 164 points
x12 shoota boyz; powerklaw boss pole nob/trukk transport- 164 points
x7 warbikers- 126 points
x5 kustom mega kannon mek gunz- 150 points

993/1000 points

Any glaring issues /40kg/?

>>46170610
Your formatting

Do marine chapters have any influence on the general population of the systems they are based out of?
Like would the PDF of macragge wear surf blue dress uniforms with horseshoes and laurels on it? What about a regiment tithed from the baal system would they wear red with blood iconography? What about fenris system guard, would they have wolf totems and fetishes all over Their filed kits?

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>>46170631
Sorry

I've been trying to decide which legion to build because I have a few that I like for different reasons.

Night Lords, because I love the paint scheme and like Sevatar as a character, but all the torture and flaying makes me roll my eyes.

Ultramarines because I like Roman shit and that they look great with plain armor without upgrades, other than that meh.

Raven Guard because I like beakies and the socialist-freedom-fighter-terrorist fluff, but painting an all black legion seems boring as fuck.

And that leaves me with the Thousand Sons. I'm not too hot on the paint scheme, but I don't hate it. I like the new Achaen pattern upgrade kits they previewed, and I like the fluff, theme and aesthetics of the legion and its tragic story because they didn't do anything wrong. :^)

Plus I fucking hate the Space Wolves. Yiffs, Vikings, executioners, Celts, whatever. I hate the Vlka Fenryka in every flavor. Is picking a legion because you can get into their inter legion rivalry a shit reason?

>>46170607
Cont.

All of your reserves come in on Turn 2 on a roll of a 2+ due to your Autarch, so you do something called 'Null Deploy' if your opponent gets the first turn, or even if you do. You keep some units in reserve and have them strike on Turn 2, this is very useful against Tau

You do not need a 10 man Wraithblade squad. You're trying to build a Deathstar unit but it's not a real DeathStar unit, as you saw when Wraiths tore it apart. It's too expensive points wise.

You need to give your Autarch a Power Weapon, which means he ignores armor saves of 3+, if you want him in combat. Another option is to give him Swooping Hawk wings and a fusion gun, have him Deep Strike with the Hawks and fire his melta gun at a vehicles back armor (the exarch can throw a haywire grenade). Don't forget this unit doesn't scatter

Any other questions ask my anything before I go play vidya

>>46170706

Frankly it's better than the copy paste garbage infesting this board. Or even worse, the faggots who post a PDF or image of their list.

The only problem I see is literally no capitalization and you didn't put a space in between each FOC category. Not a huge deal.

>>46170733
>the faggots who post a PDF or image of their list.
What is wrong with an image?

>Clear
>Clean
>Concise
>Easy

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>>46170711
>Night Lords, because I love the paint scheme and like Sevatar as a character, but all the torture and flaying makes me roll my eyes.

If you can't embrace the ridiculousness and over the top edge you shouldn't pick them.

>Ultramarines because I like Roman shit and that they look great with plain armor without upgrades, other than that meh.

Don't pick them just because they have the cleanest mooks.

The perfect match for you I think is Raven Guard. Normally I would say Thousand Sons, but if you are lukewarm about their color scheme, you don't want an entire army of crimson and gold.

Ways to make Raven Guard interesting is very easy, and you can reduce their black a lot. Paint lots of white on the beaks or arms. Use lots of silver to go with the black. Use a dark grey and experiment with blending and shadows instead of using pure black. Or use one of their various non-black subschemes, like Space Shark grey and black or Ashen Claws bluish-grey steel and red.

You need to like both the looks and the feel of the army, otherwise you will just dump it later on when you get sick of it.

>>46170762
>what's wrong with an image

Can't copy-paste from it for the inevitable total list rewrite.

>>46170762
>implying the image isn't just going to be a screenshot of Battle Scribe
>implying you couldn't just transcribe the "clean' image into a clean text list

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>>46170821

>>46170821
That's a good idea. I've got an unpainted Mk VI marine in my bits box. I'll experiment a bit on that. I do really like the way >>46170861 came out.

>>46170821
I like NL too. I like the ruthlessness, and the brooding Primarch. I like his lore, and the lore of the Legion.

So the NL hang victims' body parts off of their armor to inspire fear. So what? Thats perfectly in line with 40k's style. The setting and stories are pretty over the top, cherry picking bits and pieces to hate is kind of stupid.

Neckbeards and internet addicts love to criticize and hate. Dont let a few depressed fat guys spewing their misery onto an anonymous message board influence what you like.

>>46171275
You called?

>>46170103

Formations are for waac bitchfaggots anyway anon. Play CAD and hold your head high.

>>46171275
I unironically love the bat wings.

If I ever played chaos, it would be NL, and all of my chosen would have those wonderful wings on their hats.

>>46170056
Bale Flamer is a flamer. Anyone denying that to a CSM player should be ashamed of themselves.

>>46171328

I play

- No allies
- No fortifications
- No flyers
- No formations
- No psykers
- Single detachment
- Final Destintation

Hard mode:

- No vehicles
- No terrain
- No objectives

>>46171381
>Bale Flamer is a flamer

No it's not. Did you mean to say it "should be" a flamer? Because point to me exactly where it says it's a flamer category weapon.

>>46169382
This guy would get shunned hard as fuck at my flgs. At best. More likely a couple of the more aggressive guys would belittle him until he left.

>>46170607
>>46170730
That all sounds great. Thanks. Saved it in a notepad.

>>46171328
>>46171398
get with the times old men, but to be serious i understand. on the other hand i already take lots of lesser daemons and capturing objectives by being no where near them is damn good

>>46171304
Hi Curzefag, I still like you.

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>mfw all the NL love ITT right now

>>46171538
Hi anon

>>46168094
You are a good friend for letting him attempt to paint your models. I don't think I would trust any of my non 40k friends with a coloring book.

>>46171398
>No fortifications
I mean, ideally this should be the case because your table will have enough terrain on it, but I do like being able to take a command bunker of some kind.

Depends on the army.

>>46171617
Aegis Defense Line is ok. I own a Stormraven, Vendetta, Heldrake, and Fire Raptor - but Im not a huge fan of flyers on the table.

>>46171795
The quoted post says 'No Flyers', so I'm not seeing the ADL being a popular choice in that particular bullshit meta.

>>46171821
>meta

It's just personal restrictions. And if you find them bullshit you're probably just a bad player.

>>46171398
what army do you play then?

Has anyone ever tried running 40k with Epic style turn system (i.e. there's only one "action" phase and you and your opponent alternate picking units to do stuff).

How was it? Was it more engaging/fun than normal?

>>46165507
>>46165587
I don't know why it would be such a sin to give them T5, or heaven forbid, re-do the Synapse system so it has tiered buffs
>Warriors within 18" of bigger Synapse beasties gain EW

>>46171795
The various bunkers, man. They're funky.

Especially with tunnels.

>>46171874

- Fox only

>>46167816
>My Ravenwing are painted like the NFL team

Brb, starting Eagles Marines and Celtic F.C Guard

>>46170699

If the guardsmen are Chapter Serfs(or the equivalent)., the human auxiliaries for each chapter who do the maintenance and supply, and crew the starships, then yes. Those guys are actually considered part of the chapter, so they would wear all the heraldry.

If they are regular troops who do not hold rank within their planet's chapter, it's less likely. Note that since Space Wolves chapter serf equivalent include warriors from the clans who live in Asaheim, and the rest of the planet is left alone, any guard regiments drawn from Fenris would probably be chapter auxiliaries.

>>46172293
So basically IG with space wolf bits and colors is canon? If only vaguely by association
But it doesn't make sense for any other chapter because their serfs are only slaves and the like

So I have just been using Ultramarine tactics since they felt the most well rounded and useful. For the most part my army has been working pretty well but against large units or faster armies I tend to crumple.

I tend to keep my snipers and cannon in the rear and drop the pods where they need to go. The sterns with their grav have done well against a lot. Took out a Leman Russ the turn they came in last game, the captain rides with them. The Dreadnaught is great for popping armour too.

I think I am going to start collecting Tacticals and trying a demi company because now that I am playing more Maelstrom missions the Objective Secured seems better and the chapter tactics get better.

Captain (145pts)
>Artificer Armour, Combi-grav, Power Fist
5 man Sternguard Veteran Squad (220pts)
>5 Combi-grav, 1 Power Fist, Drop Pod
Venerable Dreadnought (160pts)
>Multi-melta, Power Fist, Drop Pod
5 man Scout Squad (110pts)
>5 Bolt guns, Land Speeder Storm w/ Assault Cannon
5 man Scout Squad (60pts)
>5 Sniper Rifles
Stormtalon Gunship (130pts)
>Typhoon Missle Launcher
Thunderfire Cannons (100pts)
Whirlwind (75pts)
>Hunter-killer Missle

1000/1000

>>46172415
>But it doesn't make sense for any other chapter because their serfs are only slaves and the like
uh, no

chapter serfs are the primary fighters in space marine fortresses and on their ships. "Serf" is a very general term.

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>>46167816
>Ravenwing
>Not painting them as baltimore
>yfw

>>46172415

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chapter_Serf

Going by this article, the status of Chapter Serfs is vague. So you could have your chapter's humans be slaves, conscripts, recruits, failed initiates, ascetic monks who serve in the chapter cult, auxiliaries who defend the planet and spaceships, or a mix of any of those.

>>46170699
>>46172293
If you subscribe to Graham McNiel style Marines, PDF forces wearing chapter iconography would be shot on sight and nobody would wonder why.

>>46172531
>mfw I don't know football enough to realize my color scheme is closer to the Ravens

>>46172560

Does McNeill write Space Marines as going berserk when someone from outside the chapter displays their heraldry?

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>Start assembling new Rhino
>Stop, realize I could totally magnetize this shit and have it be the base of different cookie cutter SM tanks
>Look on ebay for just the specific sprues of other tanks
Sure are a lot of Baal Predators on here. Wonder why....

>>46172636
Not quite. More like even slight insults can be punished with death, the Marines themselves are considered beyond reproach, and wearing their heraldry without being an official part of the Chapter would be the kind of faux pas that would set them off.

>>46170699

The Ultramar PDF does wear ultramarine blue and feature the agemo but they are unique. They aren't even a real regiment, but a PDF that's "as good as" a seasoned regiment like Cadia due to fluff wank. They were given the honor of wearing the Ultramarine symbol and color due to their outstanding service.

Baal and Fenris would probably just have the standard Cadian armor pattern and whatever camo pattern works for those worlds. Fenris would probably have arctic guardsmen, or maybe primitive feral style regiment like they had back in the day.

So I've been reading Commissar by Andy Hoare and it's been making me think about building up the small IG force I have. So far I have twenty guardsmen, a Cadian command squad, a Chimera and a Leman Russ Eradicator. I'd like to stick with a pretty infantry heavy army, but I'm not sure where to go from here. Should I just buy a gazzilion more guardsmen and some heavy weapons squads?

>>46172938
And some sentinels, can't forget the most based walker in the game

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>>46170711
>Not 4th Legion
>Mfw

>>46171398

Pffth..
I play
-no army
-no dice
in my hard mode, your just weak!

>>46168160
sauce?

>>46170012
Does it have its own datasheet in the book? If it does it can be taken on its own as part of a battleforged army. It just wont get any benefits that would be associated with the decurion style army. Ita the same with all of them.

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>>46173487
Screen grab for proof

I have no FB, I've heard GW is actually doing an FAQ on there, is this correct?

Could someone ask them to not let Cruddace write the next Nid dex pls?

hrmn. you think people would flip a shit if i allowed or suggested that inquisitors could buy artificer armor for 20points(just like a spess marine) and a refractor field for 5 points?

And then maybe offer hereticus and possibly malleus duders a rosarius for 15 points(call the malleus one an iron halo?), xenos fellas a conversion field for 10.

>>46173550
they're collecting questions to throw at the design team for faqs on facebook. give it a couple weeks for the answers, though.

>>46173487
considering there is no page marker at the end of it i wouldn't count on it

>>46168872
Where does it say you can take items from both?

>>46168736
you know there's a lot of SEA, african and subcontinent muslims, right?

>>46174539
Any answers to this?

I'm mad /40kg/ the next month is going to be fucking AoS again, why hasn't GW put fantasy out of it's misery yet?, they could update every 40k codex if they just bury the fucking cadaver of fantasy.

>>46175205
All this Shitmar wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't almost all Submarines and Khorne mortals.

>>46175205
Is Age of Sigmar even turning a profit at this point? I see even less people playing it than Fantasy.

>>46168736
If you had literally any understanding of the fluff and history, you'd know tallarn are paralels to the British Egypt forces, with captain Al'rahem being a parralel to the tribal chieftans/princes who enlisted and voulentered men to gain support for their tribe warfare.

Let's hope that with all those people asking in the faq about BA/SW scouts and BA/SW/GK dreadnought will finally lead GW to answer about it

>>46175370
Preach it brother!, I would also be thankful if all the claws stats were also updated, because DA and vanilla SM scout units have bs and ws 4, that boost would make claw units actually useful.

>>46175312
Nope
Al'rahem = Lawrence of Arabia
Even the fluff is similar.

>>46175205
> they could update every 40k codex
Be careful what you wish for....
as long as they make AoS they cannot fuck up 40k any more than it already is.

>>46175496
>Al'rahem

It translates into "The Merciful One". It's one of the names of Allah.

Abd Al'Rahem, for example, means the subject/slave of the Merciful One.

As usual GW screws things up. Who names their badass commander "The Merciful One"?

>>46175501
Tell that to those stuck on pre decurion codexes, they would gladly throw AoS into the fire if their codex were updated right and not being stuck with copy and paste nerfed shit, because there was literally no reason for the shit GW made for GK, BA, Deldars and orks, those codex came after eldar and were given a big fuck you codex that striped away from the few things they had and were absurdly nerfed for no reason.

>>46175472
They are actually useful, the problem is that the SW is a pretty middle tier codex (despite what some people may say) with one/two really good unit, the Thunderwolves and (maybe) the Wulfens, so you always end up with the question "why should I take this unit instead of more TWC?". It's the same situation, if not as bad, of the Tyranids and the Flyrant.

Making Claw units WS/BS 4 would have as the only result having you asking "Why should I take Grey Hunters when I can take Blood Claws for 4ppm less?"

When I think about this problem the solution I think is the best one is making them WS4 BS3. This way they are a better unit in assault while still be worse in the shooting or at holding objectives

Also making making chainsword +1 point for the grey hunters would be really appreciated

>>46175496
You do know you're agreeing with that anon, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Expeditionary_Force

>>46175528
>not naming your character the merciful one
Careful with those edges anon.

>>46175538
They all came before the Eldar codex. All the codices after the Blood Angels' one have been strong and all the ones after the Necrons' have been fluffy too

>>46175528
Didn't his sword have Killing Blow or some shit, making his nickname more Mercy-kill.

>>46175554
I believe the deldars and orks came after, just like the wolves but they already received an update.

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>>46175585
His sword was a master crafted power weapon with instant death, so you might be right.

>mfw he'll never come back

>>46175586
Why do people keep writing "I believe codex X came before/after codex Y" when it's directly available with a simple google search?
It's not even some strange site keeping track of it, it's freaking wikipedia

>>46175554
>>46175586
I don't have it on my phone, but i did a spreadsheet of the releases and you could see the line between bad and good in 7th, Shit was pre 2015, after 2015 Decurion time.

>>46175554
>All the codices after the Blood Angels' one have been strong
Please anon enlighten me on how are the dark eldars and orks stronger than their previous codex, because as far as I know the general consensus on /tg/ is that they nerfed into oblivion and striped from most of their good wargear options.

>>46175610
I just miss nazdreg.
He was badass.
Kunnin warboss with Mega armour, bs 5 and a plasma cannon.

>>46175639
See >>46175623
and stop being retarded.

>>46175639
>>All the codices after the Blood Angels' one have been strong
>Anon, tell me how this codex that came before the Blood Angels codex aren't strong

The Orks' one was literally the very first codex of 7th edition, what the hell

>>46175155
pretty sure it's part of the last tau update. enclaves got access to empire signature systems

earth caste pilot upgrade is still enclaves only though

>>46175731
Confirmed, Orks get an (as always) inferior version, that does it only for a "decurion" not a CAD.

are there any Curse of the wulfen scans up somewhere.

>>46175841
Just the shitty phonescaled, where every page is split in 4.

>>46175853
Where do I find it?

>>46175864
KAT, first hit on Wulfen.

I'm totally new to tabletop games and Warhammer looks like a lot of fun. How exactly to I "get into" this hobby?

>>46175969
Look at the pretty pictures of the models, and read background lore on what they're about. Pick an army you really, really like, then come back to us.

>>46175610
I've been out of the game for a while, and reading through the new codices is just depressing. There used to be so many more characters in the armies. I feel like all of the personality has just been drained out of them

>>46175989
Cool, how much of an investment is it for a starter army?

>>46175969
head down to a GW and say you are interested. they will give you a free mini to paint usually. if you are hellbent though you can just walk in and buy a start collecting box for an army that interests you (seriously though read through as much lore and look at all the models on the GW webstore, pirate a codex and read the fluff for it. then buy the start collecting box set for that army (if they have one, some don't yet.)

you can also buy these kits online as well but i like having a touch stone with the place i game at. if you are playing with friends or at a flgs you can save some dosh buying it all from online retailers and avoiding GW as much as possible.

>>46176002
About £50-£100 depending on if you go for an elite army or a horde one.

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What would be the fair price (internally) for CSMs riding Mounts of Slaanesh (+1 attack, acute sense, outflank, cavalry)?

>>46169965
The best way is to require a legal army of xx points and from that you select an army for each game which is less than xx points by choosing whole units from.your master army list without changing them.

I've played campaign events where you brought a 3K army and games varied between 1K and 6K doubles.

Fun.

>>46175205
>>46175248
>>46175252
AoS is trying to cash in on the popularity of Warmachine and hero-based MOBA's, with big epic models for heroes, some ultra-elite mary-sue soldiers capable of killing heroes, and minion common soldiery.
>Could take the comparison further with hero synergies of support/tank/jungler/carry

>>46176118
>internally
You're a faggot.

19 PPM. That's probably too high.

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>>46176344
>You're a faggot.

>>46176328
How exactly do jungler and carry work when you don't level up in the middle of games?

Also
>implying warmachine players give a shit what their models look like

>>46175155
In the updated FSE book.

>>46175767
Anyone that won't let you take both is a git and you shouldn't play with them.

>>46172560
>>46172636
>>46172823
But why? Maybe the people are trying to show their fond of the chapter.

>>46175472
God forbid the Wolves have any units with drawbacks.

WS/BS4 scouts was a mistake to begin with.

>>46176522

>God forbid the Wolves have any units with drawbacks.

urmm.....

>swiftclaws
>bloodclaws

>>46175544
with blackmane formation they can be top tier

>>46165590
Because with a minimum amount of work they can look decent?
Because they're one of, if not the, best unit GK have?

>>46176522
Stop being salty

>>46176554
You're probably right. I haven't yet played them (mostly because I don't have enough drop pods or vehicles), but the Blackmane and the Ironwolves formation can probably be very strong, with all those drop pods turn one for the former and dirt cheap land speeder and turn one assault chance for the latter.

>>46176118
It would be better to have Chosens on Mount.
Maybe a +3 pt option on them.
Melee chosen are shit anyway.

>>46170610
No AA. Also, Boss Poles aren't nearly as useful anymore with the "hit yourself for S4 but the enemy for S3 because you got scared of being hit too much" chart. You could turn them into Ammo Runts on your Mek Gunz.

Swap out 2 KMKs for another squad of Traktor Kannons if you expect fliers; otherwise, split up your KMKs into 2 squads since they can only throw 5 small blasts into 1 target as-is.

>>46171884
This seems like it would own bones: much-reduced chance of seeing a unit wiped before it can act, since players go back-and-forth by unit each turn.

Tactics would suffer since reactions would be pretty much instantaneous, but pre-game strategy would be that much more important.

Of course it could also devolve into Dueling Banjos if the players weren't creative enough with their actions, but my meta wouldn't have that problem. Plus, my Lootas would sometimes get to bust open Eldar skimmer transports full of D-wielding fucksticks who would then have to footslog.

Hmmm.

>>46174664
And some of them even live in Bryssel.

>>46171886
Instant Death from double strength is SOMETHING that all "low" toughness, multi-wound models suffer from.

It drives me nuts when someone suggests a bandaid fix for one faction instead of fixing the core problem.

Personally I'd rather double Strength cause Multiple Wounds (d3) instead of Instant Death.

This causes S8 to only have a 1/3 chance to ID Tyranid Warriors/Khorne Bloodcrushers and 2/3 to ID Ork Nobs/GK Paladins

>>46175731
Mont'ka says instead of.

>>46177004

It would do a lot to help high wound/low toughness HQs not be instantly killed by a failed save.

The amount of shit that people throw at a 2+ save model that WON'T instant-kill St Celestine is very limited.

>>46176449
Where? I only see 'instead of'

>>46166358
Hey dude, you know you can't have 10 wraithblades in a waveserpent? They take up 2 spaces each, max is 5

>>46176541
Read the whole thread before commenting.

>>46177134
*Quote chain not thread.

>>46177004
Just remove Instant Death entirely and replace it with Devastating, which is just unsaved wounds remove D3 wounds.

>>46177016
ah, my mistake
to be fair, i havent played or really read the new dex yet and i dont run enclaves

Hell, I dont even need it since the rules for the new models come with the kit now

>>46177236
Gotta get that Decenturion dick
Also you do kinda need it since you got the rules wrong, my friend.

>>46177206
I'm okay with that too.

Instant Death is an old mechanic that needs to go away.

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>>46177276
I dont really care about decurion stuff atm, i only really play friendlies with my IG friend. if i can ever get my ass into gear to be ready for tournaments though i'll make sure to know all the formations and such.

Is it really going to be necessary to have the new one, considering how nothing really changed from the last one? As i said i dont run enclaves and i dont want to, so all the cross dex stuff is a non issue I also hate the fucking stormsurge and want nothing to do with that ugly ass thing

>>46176375
It's a vague analogy, a Jungler would be a character that lays out a lot of powerful attacks and effects like Fear for smashing formations of basic mooks. Helborg, for instance. Carries would be for taking out other Heroes i.e. Grimgor.

>>46177368
>Old
Not even that.
It's stupid shit that can't claim either status as old loved rule or untested new one, it's just shot.

>>46177497
In principle it's fine, but like so many special rules it's been spread far, far too wide (both the special rule itself, and the inflation of average shooting strengths across the board).

>>46177016
The new FSE book is different.

>>46177085
Have you got the ibook version? That's the same as Montka. The regular version and the print book have the change.

>>46177407
As a fellow tau player I agree with you on the stormsurge of you don't play farsight then what's it matter? The other one is what you need for the new regular tau

>>46177004
So, like old WFB.

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>>46177276
>Also you do kinda need it since you got the rules wrong, my friend.
Or did he...

Anyone got a copy of the new waaagh ghazghkull? all the piracy websites I go to don't have it, only the 2014 version. Pls assist.

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Which army is better/more fun for a complete newbie, Tau or Necron?

I'm torn between the two and I feel like whichever I pick, I'll regret it afterwards for not picking the other.

>>46178015
Do you like small immortal robots or really big robots with big guns?

>>46178015
whatever you think is cooler

honestly, there's no point playing an army that you don't enjoy

>>46178015
Necrons having near-universal access to Feel No Pain is pretty good, but as >>46178038 and >>46178055 say, your army choice should really boil down to which race you're more interested in.

>>46178015
Tau. Necrons have very few options for characters, which is where a lot of personalization shines through.

RIP Cryptek specializations. You were too cool for this world.

>>46177497

What I meant by old was in older editions when high strength attacks were less common it was "okay"

But now that S6 seems the new S4... it's a stupid mechanic

Don't think I've ever seen a Dark Eldar with a Shadow Field ever survive failing its 2++

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So guys, I wanna start a Deathwatch army.
Yes, I know there's no Deathwatch codex.
Yes, I know anything I'd make fluffy would probably be terrible gamewise.
I literally don't care if every opponent I face wipes the floor with me.
I have also not played 40k since ~4e (stopped playing regularly about three after it came out)

For models, I have a ton of Space Marine infantry of all kinds, including termies, vets, command squads, devestators and assault marines (sold off my tanks and other vehicles, but was too attached to my nicely painted marines to give those up. Long story short they're all already painted as various chapters, which is also part of why I want to play Deathwatch).
I split the Overkill box with someone that wanted the actual boardgame and someone that wanted the Genestealer cult, so I now have Kill Team Cassius.
A few questions:
1. I know there was an Apoc formation in one of the warzones (Damnos) for Deathwatch. I'm not very familiar with current 40k ettiquete (and general army composition rules): Is this something I'd be able to use in a normal-sized game? Is this something normally considered "legal" or would I have to ask my opponents for permission (latter is also cool, the 40k folks in my area are mostly chill people).
2. Anything in particular I should put in the army to make it loreful other than stuffing in anything that is official and says "deathwatch" (see Overkill and Damnos models mentioned above)?
3. Did I miss any official Deathwatch rules?
4. Any other ideas / resources?

40K is more a side thing for me at the moment, and there are some very serious players (that are people I know to be nice and fun to play with), but my efforts in gameplay, etc. are in other games.

Pic related, suffer not the xeno to live, and all that.

>>46164874
Amusing that this is the thread "edition" I'm asking this in...

>>46178038
>>46178055
>>46178062
>>46178090

Thanks a lot.
I'll stick to big robutts with big guns then.

What's a good starter army? I'm planning on picking up the 'Start collecting' set which includes 1 ethereal, 3 XV8 battlesuits and 10 fire warriors.
Is there anything else I should get?

>>46178255
Way to post after the bump limit is reached, me

>>46178255
Rumors say that we should receive a codex (if an actual codex or a minidex like the harlequin one it's yet to be seen) for Deathwatch and one for Genestealer cult, so if you wait a bit you may receive what you want

>>46178315
Once again, get what you think looks cool and you'll quickly learn what's good, what isn't and how to make it all work together

1d4chan has a tactica on Tau that's worth reading too

Just be careful not to spam Riptides or shit. Tau can break the game if they're built in a certain way, and no one is going to want to play against you with an army like that. I don't want to scare you off playing Tau, so long as you don't have a particular army build nobody is going to have a problem with you. Those kinds of lists require you to go out and actually research that shit too, so don't worry about stumbling onto it by accident

>>46178015
>>46178090

Necrons are easier to run precisely because they have fewer loadout options for their units--you can't really get buried in choices & desperately trying to remember all the weapon profiles & Special Rules & USRs & such.

Necrons are forgiving, simple, & fun--even their formations are easy to understand, let alone what their units are supposed to do.

Start Collecting Necrons can run you under $70 if you find it at the right place, & lets you play right out of the box.

>>46178255
1)Apoc formation is apoc only. If you can convince your opponent to let you use it then go nuts.
2)Deathwatch can include most things marines have access to
3)None that are still current
4)There are a bunch of ways to make counts-as deathcwatch using the SM codex
The best is probably to pick and mix some of the formations from the book.
1st company task force
Storm Wing
Librarius conclave
even Strike Force ultra
the second option is to play unbound and take Pedro Kantor and lots of Sternguard

Finally consider playing using the Kill team rules. The smaller games suit Deathwatch better since they rarely field army sized forces. There are some official rules from GW, or there's a popular set made by a 3rd party group called Heralds of Ruin

>>46178365
>Genestealer cult minidex

Huh. Maybe me painting 2 Deathwatch boxes worth of Geneestealers right now won't actually be a waste of time then.