Warhammer Fantasy Battles General WHFB

>>46158757
>more elf butt admiring
so much this
totally approve

Pitch a plothook for a WHFRP game.

I'll start.

The PCs were arrested for various reasons (let them decide) and have been temporarily conscripted into the city sewer jacks to work off their sentence shoveling shit. Unfortunately, there are worse things causing the sewers to back up just recently than a plug of faeces.

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>>46158961
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People who are saying there was no mechanical/unit bloat between editions are forgetting that 8th is the edition that introduced motherfucking Horde size units which require twice as many models to actually form a rank.

They didn't introduce horde size units, they gave people rules to use their giant blocks of goblins and clanrats. The mechanics just sucked ass and worked for elite troops.

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>>46159000
The PCs are hired muscle for protecting a courier getting from Marienburg to Middenheim to deliver a lockbox. The courier is murdered the night before they are to embark.

The lockbox has warpstone in it. Enjoy defending your mutation-giving, madness-inducing Cultist/Skaven/Witch Hunter magnet.

>>46159000
>bodies start showing up drained in the lower class areas
Party is suspected because they're all from out of town, set out to prove their innocence.

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>>46159054
Horde size units as in ten model wide unit formations. Yes, prior to 8th you'd never see anyone go ten wide because it was retarded: you couldn't manoeuvre, you wouldn't net more than two additional attacks against most units, and it made it harder to get rank bonuses because of number of models needed goes up exponentially with each additional model of width. In 7th edition and prior, people basically went around in 5 and (rarely) 6 wide units because that's what the fucking rules were written to accommodate to grant rank bonuses, you numbskull.

>>46159182
>you numbskull.
Don't be a faggot anon, you're making it sound like people weren't hanging out for rules to use their entire collections.

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Well shit, looks like my Island of Blood Skaven are going to be shelf-warmers for the unforeseeable future. Multiple blocks of 40 men on top of the support units is simply too great a commitment of time and (more importantly) money to be justifiable for something I may not ever get to use properly.

At least Total War: Warhammer is going to have me covered, I guess.

>>46159182
>people basically went around in 5 and (rarely) 6 wide units because that's what the fucking rules were written to accommodate to grant rank bonuses

not true, 20mm combat units went 7 wide to kill the whole enemy first rank before they can strike back

>>46159000
People have been getting lost in the woods lately. More than usual. This would be worth investigating but stranger than that is that people have been found -- bewildered, lost, and impossibly foreign people stumbling out of the woods in a stupor. Wood Elves suspected

>>46159230
>multiple
It's three units anon, skaven are cheap and easy to paint atm anon.

It does sound like total warhammer is what you want though.

>>46159230
If you play Skaven, you ought to learn how to dip. the endless hordes of Slaves (and maybe even clanrats) are vastly easier when you do some basic colors and then let a can of woodstain do the rest.

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>>46159205
It has nothing to do with how people collected, the entire point of the argument, as imported from the last thread by >>46159054 is that GW deliberately appended the rules with Horde ranking rules in an attempt to get people (read: Horde armies) to buy more god damn models which they were jacking the prices up on even circa 2009. The point being made is it was detrimental to the game's accessibility for many due to the mark up and was basically flimsily slapped onto the existing rules governing rank and file, being essentially more detrimental to the kinds of units its supposed to help than the thing they actually need (static combat resolution). This, coupled with XBOXHUEG kits like the Hellpit Abomination which came out at abnormally high prices for similarly sized models at the time (see: Orc & Goblin plastic Giant at the time) is what helped push tons of people out at 8th Edition.

That thing that the one anon was calling everyone wrongbadfun-havers and poorfags because CLEARLY the game is inexpensive and none of this was a problem fiscally for GW or mechanically for the game, right?

So, /whfb/, what are you currently working on?

>>46159288
I thought you'd have like five units of clanrats, or do horde armies work by having small numbers of big units?

>>46159339
Getting my shit together and building some scenery for Mordheim/Frostgrave. It's a slow process...So far I've bought the materials. It's been a few weeks.

>>46159339
Finishing my wood elf wildwood rangers, I love how the kit looks and builds

>>46159230

honestly, you just don't come off as very smart. first the whole picking horde army then bitching that it is a horde army thing, then the 'money is the issue'.

You say you play 40k, how is money the issue when 5 dire avengers are $35 for 75 pts with an exarch upgrade while the same money buys you 20 clanrats for 110 pts with shields + command. 40k is more expensive than Fantasy.

>REEE I don't need that many Dire Avengers

Sure, you need Wraithknights, $115 for 295 pts. That money buys you around 360 pts of clanrats. Or, for a better comparison, 500 points of Hellpit Abomination.

Money was never an issue for Fantasy. The hobby commitment (assembling and painting the models) was the real problem if anything.

>>46159444
well, unless you were an asian
>can paint 100+ models in an evening to world class standard with cheapest acrylic dyes
>barely have moneys to buy 20 minis

>>46159170
>plot twist: it's not vampires

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>>46159325
> to buy more god damn models
You're still doing it, why are you such a turd. The forums were literally crying out for a way to use their giant blocks of goblins and clanrats, the horde rule was just a shitty solution. It has nothing to do with DURR THEY JUST WANT YOU TO BUY MORE MODELS

>>46159370
No, most people don't use clanrats at all.
In 6 and 7th I ran some pretty large blocks but in 8th it's two units of slaves either side of a unit of stormvermin for that leadership 10 steadfast goodness.

>>46159444
What the fuck am I reading, this is warhammer fantasy and table top gaming.
Assembling and painting is part of the fun, if you don't like it why would you even start playing warhammer?

>>46159556

Although I have 9 fantasy armies at the moment I can see how painting 150 skavens or goblins is an issue for someone.

does anyone know a good source of winged helmets, preferably elvish in style, but as overdone as Phoenix Guard ones?

>>46159741
>9 armies
>high elves
>ogres
>chaos warriors
>wood elves forest spirits
>chaos dwarfs
>TK chariot and/or action figure list
>etc
>all nine armies below 150 models COMBINED
amrite?

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>>46159538
>>The forums
They closed their forums a literal decade ago. This is the same Games Workshop that proudly tells its shareholders how it does no market research because it doesn't need any. I mean, I guess that as THE 'premiere miniatures company', they're all ears about the game rules and input like when they kept specialist games around and sank tons of money to support things that were bad for them but good for the hohahahahAHAHAHA!

Oh geez, you had me for a second there. I mean, we all can like Warhammer, but is there really a reason to apologize for how hard Games Workshop hates its fans? You can enjoy things that are damaging to the royal You, the consumer, we all do it. Just don't apologize for a god damn company and its bad decisions.

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So, uh. I not long ago starting thinking about getting back into Warhammer after about four years away, but Tomb Kings were my core interest.

Does anyone know what a TK fan would do other than sit in silent contemplation over how fucked they are?

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>>46159805
I literally stopped reading as soon as you said "their forums".

You know full well there were many other forums and if you had played at the time you'd know one of the most common complaints was the limitation of the +3 rank bonus even though people had forty models in a unit.

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does anyelf know where this model is from?

>>46159819
go to Reaper, look up Nefsokar (swap some letters between N and r around if can't find any)
not half as good as TK, but better than nothing

>>46159538
>>46159842
Shouldn't such guys concentrate their efforts in AoS thread?

>>46159230
>picks literally "numberless hordes of rats:the army"
>bitches about needing a log of rats

>>46159370
It's still a lot of models, but you won't have that many full units.

Consider the following 1500 list

Grey Seer
Chieftain BSB with the Storm Banner
Warlock L1 with the Doomrocket and Condenser

40 Stormvermin with FC, the Razor Standard, and a Warpfire Thrower (Main Combat Unit)
10 Stormvermin with a Champ and Poisoned Wind Mortar (Mage Bunker)
49 Slaves
49 Slaves (Tar pits, shaved down because 3 points over)
5 Gutter Runners with Slings and poison (War machine hunters)
Doomwheel (Awesomeness)
5 Giant Rats with 1 pack master (The ever-useful Rat Dart)

This would be highly effective at 1500, IMO. Is that better or worse than you feared?

>>46159408
>>46159900
it is human nature to seek culpability in the times of tragedy
it is a sign of strength to cry out against meta, rather than bow one's head and succumb

>>46159852
I see what you mean. Not too much to look at, but their "Sokar's Disciple, Nefsokar Mage" is pretty neat.

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>>46159874
What?

>>46159819
I would write up a list, check out its viability and buy some models.
As of right now all fantasy armies are fugged, you may need to buy some saurus and paint them up like mummies or use VC skeletons.

>>46159741
>tfw switched to dark elves because setting up skaven was a huge pain in the ass

I do miss the days of 6th eds 7 model chaos lists though.

>>46159900
It wouldn't be such a big deal if GW weren't such jews.

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>>46159947
Saurus mummies...? Is that a thing?

>>46160017
In the thanquol books there's some giant mummified snakes in a saurus temple city, they'd make great tomb guard with their jewellery.

>>46159909
Why do people use slaves over clanrats
Clanrats are infinitely more likeable and fun to use then slaves

>>46159947
>What?
>blah-blah it's playerbase fault, blah-blah GW dindunuffin

>>46159947
>I do miss the days of 6th eds 7 model chaos lists though.

Those still exists in 8th

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>>46159993
>iob skaven are dirt cheap
>recast skaven are dirt cheap
>eBay skaven is dirt cheap

Did you even look

>>46160050
Hmh. The Mesoamerican-style mummy concept is neat, but I'm not sure it's my thing. Rather, that's something more "for down the lines" if anything.

Which book was that? Sorry, only one I remember reading was the one where he blew up that underground dam and there was that wormstone thing.

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>>46160104
I didn't know you could make an entire chaos army with seven models in 8th as I haven't seen one on the table.

>>46160059
Slaves are cheaper, you can get two units of fifty for 200pts and have 2300 points left over for killy shit.
Clanrats aren't exactly bad though, technically neither are weapons teams.

>>46160059
Because clanrats are twice the points for far, far less than twice the fighting. Neither Clanrats nor slaves puts out attacks worth a damn, and neither of them has survival ability to speak of other than raw numbers. Both can hit LD 10 Rerollable Steadfast thanks to BSB and Strength In Numbers off your general.

The problem with Clanrats is that slaves do the "hold up the enemy by burying them in your own corpses" role better thanks to being 2 points rather than 4, and Stormvermin do the "Actually fight" role approximately infinitely better than either. With the Razor Standard, I'd bet on my Stormvermin to take most other infantry at point-for-point parity... partially because there will be nearly twice as many of the suckers as there will be of other elites, but they can kill good.

Clanrats are overpriced slaves. The only thing they do better is bunker (because they won't insta-melt if they break), and SV do that better and cheaper.

>>46160234
>The only thing they do better is bunker
And bring Weapon Teams to the table, but Min Stormvermin > Min Clanrats applies there too, 70 points for SV that might actually flank something versus 80 for clanrats that won't do damage even if they do.

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The empire has had the steam tanks for centuries, and haven't figured out how to make new ones or more efficient designs. Dwarfs have gyrocopters but no tanks. Why doesn't anyone have decent fantasy tanks?

>>46159339
Waiting package with LoTR models to build army of Northern Ind kingdom through Empire armylist.

>>46160362
Gyrocopters more useful in caves.
Also, Chaos Dwarves have armoured battle train.

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>>46160362
you what?

>>46160143
>iob skaven are dirt cheap
>eBay skaven is dirt cheap

IoB Skaven are getting rarer and rarer, and in the UK they typically command only a couple of pounds less than buying a new multipart box from a discount retailer (£13 vs £15). Everything else on there follows much the same pattern; it's rarely worth buying anything from there over new from a discounter.

>>46160384
Why Steam Tank when you have the DOOMWHEEL, though?

>>46159852
blood rage

>>46160186
Ahh shit you've got me I can't remember, it's the one where thanquol heads to lustria with clan eshin.

>>46160362
Dorfs do have steam trains, but they're hesitant to release new technology lest it get used against them in the future.

The chaos dorfs have a giant demon coal barge that fucks on asses.

>>46159339
Dark elf army, assembling and basing witch elves. Gotta find something to stand in as executioners, bolt throwers and heroes.

>>46159819
Ever heard of Wargods of Aegyptus?

>>46160384
>encounter moderate slope
>front 'fangs' bury themselves into the ground

Good job Skyre.

>>46160362
S T E G A D O N

dinotank best tank

>>46159842
You are literally the first person I have EVER seen make that claim.

Meanwhile I have seen hundreds of people online and in person complain that 8th changed the rules to try and encourage more sales and that it made the model count too high.

>>46160483
>warpstone force fields activate on the fangs
>rip through earth, stone and rock like butter

>>46159182
>it made it harder to get rank bonuses because of number of models needed goes up exponentially with each additional model of width

Don't use math terms you don't understand.

>>46156763
>>46155362
>>46156636
Well, it is certainly true that having greater numbers and more powerful magic wasn't to everyone's taste. I and many others found 7e more fun.

Building a skaven or goblin army has always been on the costly end of the hobby, but with 8e and having to run 50 slaves blocks, it just became impossible to introduce new people to those armies. Denying this is being obtuse. See for example >>46158251

>>46155379
Been out of the country for some years, but it's probably because although fantasy is more popular than 40k there, the prices are the same than in the richer parts of Europe, so alternatives are very sought for.

>>46156908
This is no longer the case. Yes, their big kits are amazing and can put a lot of crisp detail in small minis, however, we are no longer seeing wonderful kits like the Empire Militia or most core troops, having limbs, legs, torso, shield and accessories.

Now it's clampacks for everything, a disgrace.

>>46157054
Saved.

>>46157652
And that matters because...

>>46159054
Then it might have been a better a idea to tweak the game so that big units don't suck ass without requiring them be even larger.

>>46159205
Yes, I'm sure most people would be delighted in assembling and painting 100 skaven slaves or 50 HE spearmen. No, most people didn't have such amounts of minis.

>>46159900
>>46159408
Welcome to 6th or 7th, where those numberless rats didn't walk around with several 40 men units.

>>46159538
Lol who cares about the forums. IRL I never saw such huge collections. You might have several special or rare units and had leave a few out, but I never saw someone with 60 HE spearmen wanting to bring them out.

>>46160479
I have, but I looked over them some more at your recommendation. I'm not sure how I feel about those, especially their dog and bird faces. They seem a tad pricey, too, but it's not like I wont be running into that regardless.

Thank you for mentioning them.

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>>46160606

>>46159370
Think of it this way: instead of using 5 units of 20 clanrats, you'd be better off using 2 units of 50 clanrats. Same amount of models, just a different configuration.

2x50 clanrats with upgrades is easily 500+ points, which is what you need to get 25% core for 2000pts. Add one unit of 30-40 stormvermin or plague monks and you have enough infantry blocks to last you for life.

Don't listen to the fags telling you to use slaves. They're better but they're also much less fun to play with, play against and collect. If you can find a group that plays 9th age, slaves have been nerfed and clanrats buffed in it which makes for a much better game IMO.

>>46160717
Started answering and then got into a quick meeting... I want my voice to be heard!

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>>46160143
>buying recasts of a non-OOP plastic kit
Recasts of failcast and metal I can understand, recasts of OOP stuff I can understand, but come on man

>>46160623
http://unsupported-armies.blogspot.com/2015/08/tomb-kings.html?m=1

There you go.

>>46160843
Some people would like to stop helping GW make Mammon the next Chaos God.

We're on WHFB General. GW has abandoned WHFB. A purchase direct from them -- not ebay resale, recast, 3rd party, or nabbing the last stock from some poor non-GW FLGS -- doesn't support WHFB, it supports Age of Sigmar.

Some people don't buy.
Some people nab only a little, or try to snap up the "Last Chance"s before they go.
And some people look for alternatives.

>>46160871
I will be saving this. Danke schon.

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>>46160933
To further your point: Here is why.

>>46161054
That site has all the armies, even Dogs and CD.
It was supposed to be added to the OP, not sure why it wasn't.

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>>46161093
The fuck is that.

>>46161108
I figured as much from the name, and am actually browsing the rest of the blog currently. It's a tad peculiar because not everything is technically "unsupported", but I think the Bretonnia article is going to get a lot of attention soon enough.

>>46161117
A model that's proof shitty camera angles make models look like turd.

Saw one in person and the two problems are;

Wings look fine from the back or the front, from the side they look pants.

And the model looks like it needs more height on the front so it's a more rampant design.

>>46161251
the armor is a bit of a mess

If they were separate parts I'd consider getting it for a chaos/elf dragon. As-is the only use I can see for it is a badass imperial dragon for Karl Franz.

>>46161093
I suddenly feel so much better about having sprung for the Kingdom Death Dragon King expansion. At least that gets me a GOOD looking dragon (That could probably step on the Stardrake unless GW has upped the scale for their monsters)... and a bunch of other content. including other minis and an alt game mode to play with them.

That angular armor is heinous. And someone clearly doesn't know how wings work, because the design almost looks OK but it could never... argh. I keep trying to find good points in the sculpt but the badnes of it all just shines through.

And people are paying a hundred and forty USD for that?! The screaming bell was less than half that price and I thought it was expensive for a single model.

>>46161251
>g-g-guys actually model is good it's just bad camera angle

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>>46159339
I'm slowly working on my warlitter, eventually I'm going to skavenify the throne from the HE Phoenix kit for said warlitter

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>>46161093

>>46161422
Looking pretty cool.

I ended up making mine out of 4 stormvermin, the barrel(s) from an Organ Gun as the platform (Bit was easy to come by as it was from the one that was a dual-kit with cannon), and a banner to give the platform some height. I didn't glue the Warlord to it so I could mount him on his own base or on the litter as befitted the battle.

>>46161335
>T-The Minotaurs are unrepentant shit, stop saying it's the paint job

Guess what.

It was the fucking paint job.

>>46161316
>Someone doesn't know how wings work.

I love it when people spout anatomy whining yet literally have no idea how wings DO work.

You know for wings to work you need to be able to bend DOWN right?

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>>46161316
>Kingdom Death Dragon King expansion

Are you seriously trying to say Roidy MCpenisneck is a good model?

Kingdom Death stuff is almost always trash.

>>46161540
Thanks! I just used match sticks since that's what I had, later today I'm going to finish the other 2 sides and make the trophies for skaven bling

>>46161657
It's not bending down, it's the number of what should be fingers and how they're attached.

>>46161763
So it's.... a minor aesthetic at best? You're the guy who said the Kingdom of Death dragon was better.

The one with the hilariously tiny hands and thick body.

And you're whining about the number of fingers a dragon has.

Did you whine about the old ones having 3?

>>46161830
>So it's.... a minor aesthetic at best?
The point was that I keep finding something to bug me about the stardrake. The biggest issue is no doubt those armor plates, but the more I look....
It shouldn't seem so *wrong* bit it really does. I don't know, maybe it's actually kinda OK and I'm giving it a hard time because I'm butthurt over AoS in general, but every time I look at the damn thing I find something else to bug me. Usually little things, but something. It doesn't look as bad as the dragon-horse cavalry at least.

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Retoasting for feedback, made a forester/woodward career, any thoughts?

http://pastebin.com/1pBMvM92

>>46162024
It's your butthurt over AoS. Just like everything a personal grudge will cloud all judgement.

I mean go back and look at all the old monsters from Warhammer you liked. All of them are fairly retarded sculpts under scrutiny

How do I rat storm?
Can I split the two pack down the middle, and mount them on 50x50mm base to get 4? Just would need to fill in the gaps

>>46162101
Rat swarm. Fuck everything

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>>46161830
I'm not him, it still looks like shit.

Reaper Bones makes a FAR better dragon than GW ever has in the same scale for less than 1/14th the price.

Narthrax. Da best.

That's not even going into the AMAZING Tiamat that's 4 feet tall for only $60.

>>46162067
Fuck you, the Sphinxes and Necropolis Knights are fucking aces.

Not to mention 1/3 the price for the same amount of plastic and far more parts.

>>46162120
>made out of the worse grade resin in existance.
>Good

The Taimat is good, but dude, I have seen similar sculps in fucking shop windows.

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>>46162120
Ma'al Drakkar, Dragon Tyrant!
Because fuck your tiny High Elf Sun Dragon.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RS7tIo1OqcY&feature=youtu.be

>>46162147
>Necropolis Knights
>Good

Nice meme picking tomb kings though.

>>46162194
>Generic posing
>Large so they can actually sculpt detail
>Made out of Resin that slowly kills you

Can you actually show some well sculpted dragons instead of ones on par with the fucking Stormdrake?

>>46162194
>People complain about CAD in GW
>Post CAD models.

>>46162172
Its pretty shitty for like weapons and stuff, but for anything organic its great because it doesn't matter if a tooth or tusk has a bit of bend.

Plus, cheap as fuck scenery if only they made more of it.

>>46162199
Seriously, no meme, you ever assembled those? They're brilliant.

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>>46162274
It's just not good in general, it's rather blocky sculpting as well so it comes off like those dragon statues I see in Drug paraphinalia stores so much.

>>46162299
>Skull snake with a skeleton just surfing on the top.

I think they're fucking awful and the Necrosphinx overly designed and fucking retarded.

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>>46162261
I was complaining about price.

That piece of shit is the same cost as Elspeth von Draken for a shit tier sculpt that's half the size and without the refined elegance or beauty.

If I fork out $140, I expect FAR more than that piece of shit. I want size or detail, that has neither.

>>46162232
Actually the resin is just the prototype, the final model will be Bones.

>>46162351
How can you praise an Age model and hate something that's straight out of Blanche art?

>>46162371
>Beauty or elegence
>Hunchback the retarded fat dragon.

So basically, you want overly designed shit that is big.

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The heresy dragon is probably the best.

FW's red dragon is technically better from a sculpting point of view, but its pose leaves a lot to be desired. Really wish GW would put out a proper somewhat generic dragon kit. This stormderp dragon is so close.

>>46162400
>Will be bones
So a terrible resin-plastic?

>And hate something that's straight out of Blance Art

Because Blanche drew some fucking stupid shit. And seeing a Skeleton snake with a dude just wiggling on the top is fucking stupid.

The snakes on their own look fine. Just like the regualr warsphinx looks fine.

But the Necrosphinx looks like a barrel with a lion sticking out of one end and a pair of sissors out of the other.

What was the saddest death in the End Times or the one that made you go 'Noooooo!'

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>>46162416
and for comparison, heresy's one

Like seriously, dragon miniatures being shit is a crime. Sigmarstorm Star Dragyn is still better than the DE black dragon tho

>>46162405
I want more.
Star Drake is not worth $140.

I wouldn't even pay $50 for a dual kit of it.
>>46162460
The setting and game.

Smegmar shitposters please return to your own thread. This is Warhammer.

>>46162433
I was talking about the entire kit, not specific builds.

The Stardrake has nothing at all redeeming about it, and is a one build kit.

The Sphinx/NecroKnight kits were good, and I'll even go so far as to praise the Coven Throne for at least being visually interesting.

The Phoenix was probably the best for being a simple execution of concept , but I don't care much for it.

>>46162433
>So a terrible resin-plastic?
A CHEAP terrible resin-plastic.

Unlike many, I have a life outside work and model games so $100 has to be worth more than the weekend nookie I get from a nice Friday night dinner with the lady love.

I'll take the triple quantity over the stiffer plastic.

can you stop replying to the shitmar troll please so he gtfo back to his own topic. ty

>>46162327
That dragon is better than a lot of stuff being put out by them lately.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warhammer_Fantasy_novels

Please tell me the Fantasy books you personally enjoyed, and the ones that were complete shit.

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>>46162433
Defending that retarded AoS dragon and at the same time bashing Blanche show that you are the target of current GW products.

Here, got a game for you.

>>46163139
Beasts in Velvet was good. And I seem to remember Death's Messenger being decent too.

I can't think of any others that stood out. None were singularly awful. Maybe Vermintide. It's been too long.

>>46163217
>B-Blanche is god.

Oh fuck off, WHG were bashing him ages before the AoS and even before the end times.

I was praising his art. Also that image

>Can you tell the Different between Dark elf swordsmen or spearmen if you remove the weapon

>>46163440
Yeah, you actually can.

You can also tell Lothern Seaguard and Spearmen apart.

Fuck, even the old LSG that were a multikit looked different from Archers.

Sigmarines are ALL identical save one feature, usually their weapon. Even Sigmar Jesus just looks like a NECA figure display Sigmarine.

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>>46158757
>Less shit posting more elf butt admiring.
I like this edition

Lets ignore the art-heretic

>>46162101
>>46162119
>RAT STORM
this is even more metal than DOOMWHEEL
i totally need rat-storm

>>46159339
trying to multibase my Glade Guard
too bad they were clearly made to fit exactly 20mm squares. hard to move them around without it looking retarded
I'll manage though

>>46163838
>batwinged rats with small charges that accumulate energy until the inevitable boom
>skaven engineer who plays a tune with his mind-flutes to command the "cloud"
>the tune is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ

>>46163600
>An army designed to be heavily uniform is heavily uniform.

>Tries to dodge the question by comparing Seaguard to fucking archers

>>46163966
>An army designed to be heavily uniform
You say this like it's a good thing.

>Tries to dodge the question by comparing Seaguard to fucking archers
>Tries to dodge the response by ignoring the comparison of Sea Guard to Spearmen.

>>46164101
>Says the Seaguard were distuguishable ages past
>They were literally spearmen with a shield swap and a bow on the back.

Were you trying Hyperbvole? Or being retarded?

I need some sitting legs, preferably something elf-like. Sitting like in a chair, not on horse. Male.
Anyone knows such bits?

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Got bored, so I made an expanded list of distinguishing marks for WHFRP characters and NPCs.

http://pastebin.com/GE60F0gL

>>46164134
Yet Spearmen didn't look like Archers.
Or Phoenix Guard or Swordmasters or White Lions of Chrace.


EVERY. SINGLE. SIGMARINE.
IS FUCKING IDENTICAL.

Actual Space Marines have more variation, and Space Marines are the logical bottom of the bucket for non-40k Warhammer.

>>46164965
isn't that the point though? Weren't they all massed forged in the crucible of all mighty sigmar's anus?

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>>46165028
Maybe, but the backround is each came from literally fucking anywhere in reality before he chose them. Some were devotees of Nagash on the plane of Death, some were humans who worshiped Gorkamorka living like cavemen, some worshiped Alarielle or Tyrion or Teclis or Morathi or Dragontaur Malekith and were basically Brets. Some were humans worshiping Grungni or Grimnir.
Shit, one is even a Nurgle Chaos Champion that Sigmar purified all Chaos taint from and appointed head of a Stormhost. No pun intended.
There's even females among them.
Some take more Sigmarite to forge, some less.

Yet they are all identical. Even the expensive modification kit to make them of another not-Chapter basically was just differently shaped shields.

Its fucking insane. Couple it with the fact we know they are only designing digitally from the perfect mirroring of the Fyreslayers and you realize they're just posing the exact same Sigmarine body in the computer in a different way and hitting print!

Its fucking atrocious!

Worse yet, three more Sigmarine updates left before anyone else!

There's no matching expletive worthy of the indignation!

>>46163440
So tell me again how your sigmarines are extremely poseable? Cause those spearmen are.

>>46163966
The sigmarines are still non poseable, a feature from 1998 kits.
Space Marines are poseable. They are uniform. Where is your god now?

>>46164134
And that's still more customization than the sigmarines have. Unless you are counting those "space marines chapter upgrade" that they make you pay for.

And the HE spearmen kit from 2001 still has more poseabilty than your 2016 sigmarines.

There is no fucking excuse, but then again, you may like sucking redshirt dick.

>>46165219
>Worse yet, three more Sigmarine updates left before anyone else!

Who the fuck cares. The models will be shit, like the mirrordorfs or the chaos overdesignriders

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>>46165219
Isn't this the new announcement?

>>46165297
Yes, but the greenskins are coming soon (especially savage orcs and wyvern, soon to be recalled orruks and maw-crusha respectively)

also the order alliance book, about whom we care little, but it has dictated what had to be squatted for the undead and may say the same for dwarfs, elves and empire.

The model on the right with the helmetless head would be even good if his chest and spear both weren't THAT swole.

Should I spend some of my next paycheck on finishing my 40k army so I will never buy 40k until next edition (10 stormboyz, an hq and some Gretchen and warbuggies conversionz)
Or
Spend it on my new small fantasy army I'm starting, (80 clanrats, a box of stormvermin, maybe a warp lighting cannon or doomwheel)
So space orks vs Skaven.

>>46165700
center model's solid

needs a new sword because that one is ugly as fuck, but otherwise solid

>>46165777

Huhh, you play Orks in 40K... Must be hard times buddy.

>>46165777

Depends on what do you already own skaven-wise

>>46165777
Do you plan on using those pieces for 40k? if the answer is no then fuck the plastic crack that asks you to submit to an unreasonable sense of completeness and do what you want.

I don't know first-hand how good is this time for e-bay acquisitions of skaven so it may or may not be more convenient to invest on rats now.

>>46165777
If you're committed to buying into fantasy, better to do it sooner than later. If only to save on buying square bases down the line thanks to repackaging.

>>46159842
The point is that for several armies, the rank bonus was often the largest part of their combat resolution, because, newsflash, dark elf spearmen or Empire swordsmen didn't exactly rack up kills the way chaos halberd warriors could, so you piled on the ranks so you got to keep your rank bonus for as long as possible.

There is no way to argue that whfb didn't paint itself into a corner when it started to transition from "15 guys are a legit unit" to "you need 2 boxes of these guys to even consider putting them on the table."

People who played since the 90s remember when there wasn't even half as much stuff on the table in a normal game, the rising cost of entry killed the game.

>>46166296
>There is no way to argue that whfb didn't paint itself into a corner when it started to transition from "15 guys are a legit unit" to "you need 2 boxes of these guys to even consider putting them on the table."

Could have been actually fine if they didn't reduce the number of models in boxes while simultaneously raising the bar on unit numbers

>>46159993

No, it still would be.

I can't fathom how people still try to argue that armies requiring a large number of models isn't a problem when a lot of the companies out there, even Mantic to an extent, have.

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Who was the best Elector and why was it Marius Leitdorf?

>>46166485

Did 8th need more models? My memory of 7th is MSU, not elites. Surely we simply have the situation of 2 units of 50, rather than 10 units of 10.
Same number of models to buy, just wielded in bigger clumps. While the increased allowances for Rares, Specials and Characters would push towards individually-expensive models and fewer models overall.

>>46166689
10 units of 10? Lolwut.
In an 8e game with a normal 1.5k army you may have 100-130 bodies on the table. In 7e you used to see around 70.

It is undeniable, the rules lend themselves to it: more ranks fought in 8e than in previous editions, a 10 wide unit had enormous advantages, the charged unit could, as a result chariots and 5 man heavy cavalry units are no longer that impressive, and so you need to bump said unit to 10 and charge two or three chariots at the same time.

The numbers aren't the same and not seeing it is sheer blindness.

Is Nagash or the Mortarchs in 9th Age?

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Hey, anyone know which, if any, 2e book covers the subject of PCs selling salvage and what sort of rules are suggested to govern that?

>>46166945
>In an 8e game with a normal 1.5k army you may have 100-130 bodies on the table

Yeah, with goblins or skaven. That number is high even for 2400 games for most factions. Cavalry armies will run around 40 at 2.4k, elven or dwarven armies go 75-85 models, OK/WoC 30-60, Lizards/Empire/Beastmen around 100, the 100-130 is only true for undead and maybe orcs, while goblins/skaven/undead are somewhat over that, around the 130-200 range.

So no, it is not normal at all having 130 models at 1.5k. In fact, for most factions it is actually impossible unless you spam the cheapest core infantry without any upgrades. People who did not play 8th should stfu and not talk about it.

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>>46166544
He was a real renaissance man - an engineer, inventor, poet, artist and a great warrior.
He was a whistleblower who revealed the full extent of the fishman conspiracy and how the nobility was keeping it secret from the populace.
He dealt with the terrorist halfling insurgency swiftly and with efficiency.
He was honest to a fault, even under threat of serious diplomatic fallout.

It's just a shame the electoral council decided to elect a puppet emperor instead of letting him make the empire great again.

>>46167206
Undead or skaven? Empire will want to run AT LEAST a 50 man halberdier horde. And then you have a few 10 man knight units, 20-30 greatswords, etc. You reach 100 and go over it easily.

Elven, dwarven, ogre and elite WoC armies are not "normal", just as skaven aren't either. I'm talking about empire, Brettonia (40 m@a, 20 archers, 30-35 knights) and the like.

Stop being retarded pls

>>46160017
There's Dwarf Mummies in the Lure of the Liche Lord book. Made by Nehekharans, yes, but it's not like they and the Dwarves had much in the way of interaction elsewhere. Conversely, we /know/ at least one Nehekharan city-state infrequently allied with Lizardmen and fought alongside Saurus (courtesy of the first ToL Nagash book). As such - at least in theory - even without turning to Mesoamerican-style mummies one has their excuse.

>>46167206
Rule of thumb for 8e skaven is 1 model (or at least one wound) per 10 points. The ability to run that and still have good (or at least serviceable) hammers is part of what makes them so high tier. "Fun" armies might have fewer rats, though.

>>46167613
What would be the lowest possible model count but still at least mid tier Skaven list (I'd assume Moulder/Skryre hybrid)?

>>46162433

I like the Necrosphinx, but agree that the skeletons on top of the Necropolis Knights are bad.

>>46163217

It's pretty fucking sad that people are still so butthurt they degrade themselves to making stupid images like this. Missing the fact that the weapons are largely what is supposed to distinguish them and trying to defend themselves by using examples from armies that are decades old, have probably had at least two iterations for some of their kits, and in the case of the High Elves look different because their army is composed of units drawn from ten kingdoms.

The only argument that has any possible merit in my view is the one of poseability.

>>46165219

It doesn't matter what the past of a Stormcast was because they're all armed and armored in the same manner, they weren't just blessed and told to fend for themselves as far as equipment went.

If someone wants their Stormcast to look different there is absolutely nothing stopping them from using what bits they can get their hands on to do so.

GW simply can't win, either they have people complaining that they're doing too much to discourage creativity or they're not doing enough to encourage it.

>>46165700

Other than Bretonnia, it doesn't look like any army is going to get phased out. At most what were once single armies have been broken down into two or more factions just like what has happened before in AoS.

>>46167474

No, they actually ran 40 halberdiers + 2x10 archers detachment. Guess what, the army was still at 100 models because 2 cannons are 250 pts, a steam tank another 250, a lvl4 wizard with equipment 300 pts, the characters overall around 800 for 5, 12 inner circle knights 320, 8 demis 500

Add that up buddy, typical 2400 empire army, around 90 models. I like how a guy who never played Empire are so smart.

Same for bretonnia. Tournament bretonnia armies ran 0 man at arms. No fucking point in them because of the shit movement.

What's 'and the like'? Other armies you have no clue about, 6thbaby?

Not to shill, but: Someone put up 10 of the old metal Tomb Guard on ebay a few hours ago for less than $25. Best price I've seen on 'em yet, if you don't mind using the old two-part models instead of the dynamic plastic kit. Also I'm kicking myself because I missed a Settra model something like four times because "Maybe the next one will be sold for cheaper."

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So...if a human fucked a Skaven female, would they produce half-Skaven?

What would you have if Sigmar purified a Skaven of all Chaos taint?

>>46167613

That rule of thumb is from mathusala's tutorial, but notice that even his armies don't even come close to that amount half the time. In fact, he only reaches them if he spams retarded amount of slaves (like 200 at 2500, which is like twice the amount you really need). His best armies are actually 170 models @2500.

>>46167776
depends on the point level, around 150-200 at 2500.

>>46167781
>trying to defend themselves by using examples from armies that are decades old, have probably had at least two iterations for some of their kits,
So we should wait 20 years to compare the kits? Your argument is a shambles. If you are phasing out a product, your new product needs to be at least just as good, no matter how much development had the old one behind. Why should he customers sit around and wait for the company to reach again a standard that it already achieved and lost?

>in the case of the High Elves look different because their army is composed of units drawn from ten kingdoms
Take Empire. At a glance you can tell very easily one unit form another, and they are as generic as it gets. Or Bretonnian Knights, very easy to tell, even Errants from Realm, provided you use the bits you are supposed to use (this is not an issue with sigmarines, since their bits end with the weapon arms).
And any other army is even more distinguishable.

But the most glaring defect is the loss of poseability. It is revolting to see pics of more than 3 dracoths together. LotR monopose figures have more variety ffs.

>>46167967
My understanding is they'd produce nothing because Skaven are not an alternate consistent strain of Beastmen like, well, the eponymous Beastmen army. They're instead Warpstone-uplifted Rats.

>Human fucks Goat-trait Beastman: Has a child with traits from both parents
>Human fucks a Rat-trait Beastman: Likely the same
>Human fucks a Skaven: At least one party's going to come out of the ordeal with an itch

>>46167840
0 men at arms? Kill yourself slav shit.
40 men+damsel with icon is a fucking staple, durable as hell. Go lick Putin's anus.

>>46167776
SAD seems about right. It's a variant, not fighting like normal skaven, but let me draw a picture at 2400

Seer, Skalm and Dispel Scroll
Warlord, Bonebreaker, Fellblade
Chieftain BSB
Warlock L1 Condenser, Doomrocker
40 Slaves, Shields
40 Slaves, Shields
40 Slaves, Shields
10 SV, Warpfire Thrower
10 SV, Warpfire Thrower
10 SV, Champ and Rattling Gun (Seer/BSB, keep safe at all costs)
10 SV, Champ and Rattling Gun (Warlock, can play more forward)
5 Wind Globes, Mortar
3 Jezzails
3 Jezzails
Doomwheel
Doomwheel
Warp Lightning Cannon
Warp Lightning Cannon
Plagueclaw Catapult.

It's a Skaven gunline taking full advantage of the rules for shooting at slaves. It's probably not a tournament winner but it's got a lot of threats and the all important tarpits that stop your foe getting to the cream filling of your army. Comes to 2400 exact.

>>46168143

Slav's are already asleep bro. GT winner breton list:

Prophetess - level 4 (LIFE), crown of command, dispel scroll, warhorse
Lord - grail vow, virtue of heroism; sword of swift slaying, gromril great helm, dragonbane gem, shield, warhorse
Paladin - BSB, grail vow, wyrmlance, dragonhelm, luckstone, shield, warhorse
Paladin - grain vow, enchanted shield, dawnstone, gauntlet of the duel, lance, warhorse
12 Knights of the Realm - full command (banner of eternal flame)
12 Knights of the Realm - full command (gleaming pennant)
11 Grail Knights - standard
7 Pegasus Knights- gallant, standard
Trebuchet
Trebuchet
------------
2500

Best general in a 100 men field, losing 5 battlepoints in the whole event. So fuck yourself 6thfag, and stop talking shit about thing you don't understand. I also love how you simply ignored the part where your incompetence regarding Empire lists got exposed.

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sup /whfb/, I have a predicament.

I recently bought 30 Boar Boyz and Savage Orc Boar Boyz from my FLGS, and they found out that they had been moved to Web Store Only. When the package came, they were in the default white citadel box, instead of one with art.

With the rumor mill saying that Orcs/Ogres/Goblins are getting their AoS book soon, do we know if Boar Boyz and Savage Orc Boar boyz are getting reboxed with new art, or if they are just getting cut from the model line?

Basically, should I just build these Boars, or should I sit on them and wait to see if Boar Boyz are getting removed?

Also, how does one best run Boar Boyz or Savage Orc Boar Boyz in an army in WHFB? In 9th?

>>46168079

My argument about time applied more to the people talking about Space Marines, a lot of the Space Marine variety simply comes from the fact that there are seven different versions of power armor available to draw on for bits, pretty sure those seven different versions were not available in the beginning.

A lot of what also helps to distinguish the Space Marines is that some of them such as the Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Iron Hands, Salamanders, White Scars, and Black Templars were given themes that were refined over the years. Again though, I'm pretty sure these distinctions were not available in the beginning and that it years. FW also played a role here picking up GW's slack since GW has at most provided specialized bits for the UM, BA, DA, SW, BT, and possibly IH.

Stormcast didn't phase out anything, they're not a direct replacement for any army. The Empire is just as disingenuous a comparison as the High Elves since, again, its forces are drawn from different provinces and have no standard form of armament. If anything you could lambast GW for not doing enough considering numerous artwork from GW itself exists to show what arms and armor from a specific province may look like.

The Stormcast are all armed and armored from a single source, the closest Fantasy equivalents of which that come to mind are the Dwarfs, Chaos Dwarfs, Lizardmen, and possibly Tomb Kings.

I think it's also worth nothing that the models in question are simply an organization within the Stormcast with other organizations to follow. To me it seems like their main distinction is basically supposed to be that they're cavalry.

>>46168430

Savage Orcs show up in AoS art and are even referenced in lore, doubt they're going anywhere.

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>>46167567
Just returning to the thread. That is all new information to me (back in the day I was more into High Elves and Skaven, hence not already having a TK army). I think I might actually consider a dwarf or two and maybe some saurus for... I don't know, tomb guard? Something that would have reason for being exotic. Would it be unreasonable to say a dwarf just found himself indebted to a TK and wound up keeping that oath even in death?

So what are your theories in the mysterious fishmen? Are they some ancient civilization from the time before the old ones? Mutated lizardmen? Imaginary boogie men made up to scare sailors? Something else entirely? Let's hear some explanations and head canons on fishmen

>>46168430
>I recently bought 30 Boar Boyz and Savage Orc Boar Boyz from my FLGS, and they found out that they had been moved to Web Store Only. When the package came, they were in the default white citadel box, instead of one with art.

This doesn't mean much, most of my web orders from GW came in that white box

The answer for your question depends on what's your intention with them, selling or playing. I would be surprised if they were removed btw.

Savage Orc Boar Boyz are pretty good btw, but in MSU units, 15 S5 attacks on the charge for 100 points are kind of OK. For a full army tho, you need Gorbad, who is fine in fun games or themed list, but also quite risky as he is both the BSB and general, while the only thing protecting him is a 3+ AS and T5. If you die, you lose quite a lot, everyone will be gunning for him.

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>>46161642
No these really were total garbage.

Pic related, what minotaurs that aren't silly look like

>>46168656
I'm intending to play with them, or recast/sell them if the kit gets removed.

Also, is my group the only one that declares that Gorbad has the Armor of Destiny and a Shield (he is fucking carrying a shield and a dead Emperor for crying out loud!)

>>46165297
why do all the khorne models have chests twice as wide as their waist. That said these 3 are actually faaaaairly decent, particularly mid guy. Probably not gonna be worth the 30 dollars a pop they will ask for it. I can't believe anyone willingly pays more than 15 for a single infantry model, and thats only for a very nice lord.

>>46168143

They are so staple that exactly zero ETC lists ran them:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CEtdwddLLrlF29C5HV8_ICWqSu8--mlt2CY_TA0t-TE/pub#h.eqwz7y3xavqz

FYI, number of models in bretonnian armies: 48, 37, 40, 54, 45, 52, 38, 44

Same for Empire: 103, 62, 46, 30, 35, 79, 57, 102, 77, 54, 82, 38, 103, 36, 38, 36, 77, 33, 65, 73, 83, 43, 38, 92

Mind you, this is all 2400, 2500 in case of bretonnia. So much for envisioning 100-130 model empire and bretonnia armies being 'normal' at 1500 shithead.

>>46168629
In my opinion? Not at all. Again, Tomb Kings did occasionally work alongside other races in times of need / convenience (if Lizardmen are the only one we explicitly read about in BL books), and that the Mortuary Cult was able to successfully mummify the Dwarves (to the point of preserving their sapience) implies either extensive experimentation, need, or a combination of the two.

The reason for the Mummy Dwarves in this specific case (the Lure of the Liche Lord book) isn't explicitly given, but what we know is:
1) They speak an archaic form of Khazalid, meaning they've been in the Tomb for a long while and weren't mummified intruders.
2) They're yoked to the Liche Lord's sedan chair and were shaven at some point before their interment, not exactly inferring status or willingness.
3) They were successfully mummified, but in a fashion closer to that of Tomb Guard (sapient but not autonomous) than Nehekharan royalty (sapient and autonomous).
4) Technically unrelated to the Dwarves themselves, but the Liche Lord wears a suit of Gromril armor. Seeing as he is (or at least, was) human, and Dwarves don't exactly make Gromril armor for enemies, this implies passable relations at some point in their reign.

Going by the above the most likely series of events IMO is:
>Lord was buddy-buddy with some Dwarves in his time, likely from his extensive campaigns against Greenskins while in a mountainous region
>Lord was eventually presented with Gromril armor for either deeds in life, tribute, or so-on
>Lord died of book-specific events
>Four unfortunate Dwarves (possibly former staff of the Lord) were, ah, "volunteered" for mummification duty
>Years later, Nagash did his "Raising all of Nehekhara's dead" thing
>Dwarves raised, less than chipper about both the disgrace and loss of autonomy

Nothing there that would preclude the possibility of willingly mummified / interred Dwarves in other cases. Likewise Saurus or Skinks in the case of some city-states.

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>>46167967
I don't know, but I'd do it

>>46159484
Are you Korean? I think I've heard of you.

>>46169259
[Cont'd]

Worst case scenario, say they died in battle in the Tomb Prince / King's service / against a common enemy and - with nobody forthcoming to claim their bodies (esp. in the case of the Lizardmen) - their remains were "volunteered" for mummification. It's pretty much the sort of thing you'd expect a Tomb King / Queen or Prince / Princess to do:
>Fights against [thing]
>Lizardmen aid in fight against [thing] because of Slaan prophecy or shared threat or whatnot
>Nehekharan noble catches idle glimpses of them fighting with the strength and fury of an Ushabti
>A couple of Saurus die during the battle
>The noble earmarks their bodies for service in his next life

>>46165219
>goblins renamed grots

this is upsetting

I am upset

>>46169259
Queue the Pataikos- and Sobek-esque units, I suppose. I think if I ran mummified dwarves (mumdorfs, if you will) any I'd probably try and grab some Slayers for some conversion. Just hack off the mohawk and perhaps trim the beard up a bit- cruel as that may be. Slap some greenstuff bandages on them.

Quick question; what exactly is stated about that city-state as to how they interacted with the lizardmen? Maritime trade and maybe some slave-taking? Also, I still have elves lying around I'd possibly want to convert. Is that idea just pants-on-head retarded?

>>46168280
No Rat Ogres or Abominations?

>>46170656
I don't have my copy of the Nagash the Sorcerer book on-hand ATM, so I couldn't say. However, one thing I do recall is Nehekharans fighting alongside Saurus Cold One cavalry against the forces of Nagash's first army.

Whats a good point size for a beginner to start with? I noticed points seem to be inflated compared to 40k

>>46161642
Nope models is still trash.

>>46170581
The names only get worse.

>>46171031
2k is solid. 1.5k is acceptable. 1k is dodgy. below that you can play but plan to escalate.

>>46165297
>all new AoS models is different sorts of muscular males
>Slaanesh is banned

>>46164389
Black dragon riders legs.

>>46165777
Best time to get into skaven is now, before the island of blood models dry up.

>>46166296
>mfw my skaven army is smaller now than ever
>dark elf and high elf armies have also gotten smaller

>>46171031

I'd start at 1k, then casually expand. Fantasy 2400 = 40k 1850, tho a bit cheaper but higher model count.

>>46162371
>Warhammer
>elegance or beauty.
/0

>>46171031
1000 is the minimum for a normal game to work well. Although you can play warbands or mordheim to start, which are smaller model count versions of the game.

What army are you looking at?

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>>46171031
2k or 2.5k is standard.

Learn to factory paint. Use dip wash.

>>46171137
>>46171204
>>46171302
Thanks, 1500 sounds good

>>46171286
Vampire counts, but price isnt an issue since were playing on tabletop sim. Its just we dont want a 4+ hour game like the first time we did 40k

>>46171353
Strigoi is lowest model count.

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Are there any creation tables for fantasy like the ones they made for every 40k faction imaginable?

Wanna make some?

>>46171496
Empire knights is the only existing one.

Sounds good to me.

>>46171524
Well there are plenty we could start out with. Beastmen herd, Skaven Clan, Imperial mercenaries, Dwarf hold...

>>46171496
>Wanna make some?
Nope.

>>46171587
Which do you wanna focus on?

Stuff like this, its a person's project they get group brainstorming on. But it comes down to someone to get the prestige of making it.

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>>46167225
I'm gonna build a wall around the Empire, and Bretonnia is gonna pay for it!

>>46162120
That thing is way to big to actually use as a star dragon isn't it

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>>46172367
Making your dragons bigger only makes them mechanically worse, if you want to your opponent probably won't complain.

>>46172367
No.
Its about the same size.

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>>46172367
I have one, I think the scale is off because mine doesn't look this big. Or their scale mini is smaller than a Warhammer one. For Bones wave 3 they have a new dedicated "Sir To Scale" so it may be the latter.

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>>46173096
He paints up well.

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>>46173123

>>46173140
>>46173123
>>46173096
Oh that's not unreasonable I may do one of these as my dragon mounted cannon target just for fun

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>>46173161
Yeah, I like mine. Reaper Bones is great for monsters and tiny critters like rats and kobolds, just not things with spears or swords because it bends badly when its thin and refuses to sit stiff.

I mean, this Kraken is the size of my hand for like $12.

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The dragon I have is probably a tad too large for warhammer

>>46173206
How has this line gone under my nose haha

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>>46173240
Here's my scale comparison with a Night Goblin (my first painted model), Khalida, a one-winged High Elf Dragon, and Narthrax.

>>46173255
Are you a Skaven player? Bones has $2 rat swarms, or six single rats for $3.

http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Bones

>>46173391
God I'am glad that such bad painters like you stay in dead WHFB.

>>46173391
HE and WoC actually

>>46173471
I didn't paint the dragon, I bought it that way. Hence the missing wing.

The NG was six years ago.

But I do suck at painting, I prefer the modeling aspect. I can sculpt, but can't hold a brush.

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>>46173471
Hello slav anon

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>>46173522
Just gotta practice anon. Got to do something wrong a lot before you can do it right

>>46165297
Prices are out $30 dollarydoos a piece

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>>46174718
>30 dollars for one infantry sized hero

I still can't believe this. Pic related in the middle is 22 dollars.

>>46174839
I want to bully queek for wearing glasses

>>46174839
>Queek leaving the City of Pillars

Rape the fluff some more why don't ya.

>>46174826
What's the price on those warriors like?

Also where can I find them and do they have the option for additional hand weapons?

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>>46174858
We need more OC.

There's got to be more fanartists with a sense of humor that like Fantasy.

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I feel ive made a mistake trying to squeeze a vampire count list into 1500points

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>>46174880
20 euros for 12 infantry, 9 euros for full command, and usfortunately no. And it's mom miniatures, a glorious spanish god currently on a quest to make at least one high quality fairly cheap infantry block for every army it seems.

He's got orcs, dwarves, chaos, bret, empire, elves and chaos dwarves. If his normal pattern holds it's going to be undead next.

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>>46174896
Decisions to make:
1) Core: Bone, meat, puppies, or BITETEARSLURP.
2) Lords/Heroes: Berserk villain Vampire, Keikaku Vampire, or Doctor Strange? Who has assistants? Flag is carried by Vampire or Skeleton? Flying harem of FUCKOFF, PEASANT? Slightly overripe Dragon? The giant bat of cheese? Japanese ghost movies?
3) Special: Super Mutants, Man-bats, or boners? Fast boners? Little bats? Medium sized bats? Wagon full of rations? Night on Bald Mountain? Hitchhiking Ghosts?
4) Rare: Superman-bat, the Black Cauldron, Japanese Ghost Movies with too many sequels, pissed off Frenchmen, even more giant bats of pure cheese, Dracula's shaggin' wagon?

If you can eliminate any options just based on "I don't want to take that" then go for it.

My advice is look up the bloodlines, make a fluffy list.

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>>46174985

>>46174886
>putting unrefined warpstone into open wounds
>not causing instance mutation and or death

Rape the lore more why don't ya?

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>>46174993

>>46165700
>maw-crusha
that doesn't sound too bad, actually
sure more orky than wyvern

>>46166544
he saved Empire from fishmen, duh
and before you say "But anon, there were no fishmen", I say to you - yeah, that's what Empire says about Skaven

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>>46175004

>>46167093
no. no special characters. you can use them as count-as Vampire Counts on Dragons, Tomb King on Warsphinx and Colossus, I guess

Morghasts are in, though, seeing as they are regular unit.

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Wow.
A comic about a Witch Hunter romancing a female Skaven renegade that only made one page.

>>46169335
can't be Korean. even Koreans ain't that good to paint so many minis while playing Starcraft, and if he's Korean he IS playing Starcraft at any given moment.

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>>46175019

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>>46175051
Found a full comic for you guys!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/639344.page

>>46174867
why not? he conquered it and moved on. that would be most logical conclusion, if End Times didn't hit.
heck, he even skullfucked Belegar in End Times.

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>>46175036
Grail Knight, my bad.
Still fucking strange.

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>>46175071

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>>46175061
His hated enemies, Kazador and Skarsnik, still lived. He wanted them dead. He won't leave until they were dead.

Also because the City of Pillars was his domain and he knows it will fall apart against the Goblins without him.

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>>46175089
I can't find the first part, maybe parts, of this one.

I just want to mention that it's happening in Europe.

Do skaven suicide bomb the surface?

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>>46175104
Didn't the Goblins leave?

>>46175115
They try. They have the suicide part down.
I think it was canon they made a literal nuke, hid it under an Empire city, but constant backstabbing meant it didn't go off.

>>46175104
>and he knows it will fall apart
since when it bothered any Skaven at all?
Queek lives for killing stuff. He kills Belegar, kills Skarsnik and Kazador (shouldn't be much of a hassle, since Belegar was strongest of his enemies), and goes to find more stuff that needs killing.
Starting with his clan's warlord probably, but then sky's the limit.

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>>46175136

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>>46175143
Welp, I hit the end of the comics and found the creepy Skaven transformation porn.

I'm out.

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>>46174985
Ive actually attempted to form a list of some description

Not pictured are 14 graveguard with barrows banner. Im highly contemplating just scrapping the vampire lord altogether. With a few snips i could squeeze in some terrorgheists but the 1d4chan page sings the lords praises so im unsure

>>46175118
>>46175118
That's in the End Times. Skarsnik was forced to leave and the Dwarfs were crushed. Kazador died fighting Krell and Belegar died fighting Queek.

There was nothing left to do so he left to finish the dwarfs. Also because he was getting old and weak. His payment for destroying the dwarfs greatest hold was life extension drugs

>>46175132
>since when it bothered any Skaven at all?

Always. Skaven don't like to have the stuff they stole-toke stolen from them. The City of Pillars was Queek's beloved stronghold-warren.

He will only leave once all his enemies are dead.

>>46175164
>He will only leave once all his enemies are dead.
so? that's ain't a problem. Belegar's dead, he got high ground, all he needs is bring some Skryre to the pinnacle and gas everything below.
then get a gas-mask, find suffocating Skarsnik and that second wossname and murder them.

Probably could invite his Warlord to celebration before gassing stuff and kill him too.

>>46175191
Queek does not trust Skryre and wants to do things the old fashioned way.

He gives zero fucks about Lustria. He lives only to kill dwarfs and goblins.

>>46162460
Most of the characters I liked went to shit in the last book,so I rather wept for the fate of the world,not the individuals
But before that Eltharion and Gobbla

>>46175225
goblins are green
skinks are green
Queek is too short-sighted to tell the difference

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>>46175232
I think I may paint my skinks as blue tail skinks

So where does Queek rank with the other fighters in Warhammer? In his fluff he seems to wreck just about everyone he fights, right up until Thorgrim.

>>46175560
he wrecks mainly fat dwarfs, silly goblins and Elector Counts (in descending order of power, obviously)
he's brutal, but he barely fought REAL fighters, like vampires or elves.

>>46175560
>right up until Thorgrim.

Thorgrim won because the Wind of Metal clung to him in the fight.

Anyways, Queek cowered before Skarbrand and fled. Skarbrand was one shotted by Malekith.

So he is not among the best.

>>46175578
>Skarbrand was one shotted by Malekith.
what? I missed that moment. details?

>>46175594
"Siege of Naggrond" and "End Times Khaine".

Malekith sees Skarbrand among the Chaos horde. Descends from the skies on his dragon, and stabs Skarbrand in the eye.

Then he leaves to continue his business.

>>46175578
Well one is a 6000 year old demigod who has a track record of soloing greater daemons and the other is a 10 year old skaven warlord, there's a bit of a power gap.
>>46175572
He carves through regiments of iron breakers and hammerers like it's nothing, and Belegar, second best dwarf warrior after ungrim, lost handily to him. These aren't fat dwarfs, these are the best warriors of the dwarf empire and queek makes them look silly

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>>46175152

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>>46174909
>mom miniatures
>mfw he made elves with halberds instead of great weapons and tits

Lame.

>>46175152
There's a long history of elves being the victim of the thirteenth, it was supposed to be where the albino guards came from.

>>46175578
>>46175560
He's got plot armor in the fluff, he's still just a skaven warlord in a world of greater demons and immortal elven kings.
Also the writing was really shitty, those dorfs should have rolled on him.

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>>46175867
>>Also the writing was really shitty
Well, it was End Times.

>>46175888
It was especially shit for the end times, he had the same back flip fight like five times.

>>46175944
when you learn a move that works, why would you use any different? it's not like opponents had chance to witness it, learn and counteract

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>>46163217
In that vein, let's play a game of spot the odd one out:

Bloodsecrator
Bloodstoker
Slaughterpriest
Skullreaper
Wrathmonger
Bloodstorm
Skulltake

jk they're all real

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>>46175160

At points so low I'd scrap the lord. Add in a terrorgeist and maybe a unit of black knights.

>>46176007
Slaughterpriest is the odd one out because it's a fucking metal name, while others are pretty retarded

>>46175944
It was his signature move perfected for killing dwarfs, of course he is going to use the same move. It works every time. if you think about it, Queeks weapons ignore armor and his natural speed and reflex advantage over the dwarfs makes him the perfect dwarf killer.

>>46175867
>he's still just a skaven warlord

Who are stronger than humans and nearly as fast as elves. So what's the problem? I think you just being ignorant of the fluff and pushing your bias.

>>46176062
>>stronger than humans
Since when? Skaven are almost always described as being less powerful but more agile than the average man. Sure, they can get tougher with a lot of warpstone and other augmentations ala Clan Moulder and Pestilens but stronger is pushing it. Ikit Klaw has 5 strength but only because of his Darth Vader suit.

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>>46176007
10 thousand hours in ms paint

>>46176106
>Since when?

Since forever.

Skaven Warlords and their bodyguard are as tall as humans and more swole. Queek's clan is specialized in breeding them larger and more vicious than the rest.

Stormvermins are known for their deadliness and fighting skills in combat.

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>>46159000
Meteorite crushes local church of Sigmar, was it an attack of foul chaos cultists or did Sigmar himself cleanse the temple from the empire?

>>46176106
well, humans and skaven are both S3 regular and S4 heroic, so they are pretty equal

>>46176136
>Dicontent Entusiast
now THAT'S a name to run away from really fast!

Anyone know who sells appropriate looking minis for Empire knights on foot, and 5th Ed Bret knights on foot and mounted squires?

I have entirely 5th Ed Brets and I want to keep them similar.

>>46176203
>knights on foot and mounted squires
you must be Australian

>>46176203
Gamezone has mounted squires, but they are pretty pricey and as some of their older sculpts are a little lacking.

>>46176136
>War Hobbyist

Well I mean, you're right.

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>>46176136
>wrath stoker

Yeah, guilty.

>>46176136
>Bloodsmith
that isn't actually half-bad

>>46176136
Blood Blood the retarded Khorne Berzerker

>>46176350
>Oh, for fuck's sake, who brought Blood Blood again?
>"Lol, I forgot how to khorne."

>>46176136
>Battle pope
kek

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>>46176136

Bloodstoker.

So I'm this dude? I ain't that fat. Or overdesigned.

>>46176419
>anon on /tg/ board
>so, a fa/tg/uys
yes, you are that fat
>also, a neckbeard
and overdesigned

>>46176136
Saved.

>>46176203
Take a look at perry miniatures for the knights on foot.

>>46176136
>Fury Rager
Always angry, all the time.

>>46176215
Nah, just already have a bunch of mounted knights and squires on foot, but I wanted some foot knights for sieges/skirmishes/custom units and mounted squires for fast cav.

>>46176243
>>46176495
Thanks, will take a look.

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>>46176393

>>46176442

Fuck, you might be right. I guess its time to move back to my parents basement then...

>>46176136
Rage Critic.
Sounds like a youtube critic or maybe a critic of youtube critics

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>>46176106
>>46176062
>>46176149
Skaven warlords and stormvermin aren't that tall compared to humans in general, even thanqual one of the biggest skaven is still shorter than felix.

Skaven muscles aren't particularly strong and prone to rapid exhaustion, they do have superior reflexes and agility compared to humans.

What is most iconic, fluffy and flavoury item for each army?

>>46177104
Banners, mostly. Banner of the Lady for Bretonnia, Griffon Banner for Empire, Banner of the World Dragon for High Elves, so on and so forth. Runefangs are a good exception, though.

>>46177104
>>46177235
okay, banners excluded, because reasons

What is most iconic, fluffy and flavoury item for each army, apart from fucking banners?

>>46177272
Magic or mundane, or both?

>>46176962
>>46176962
Thanqoul was smaller than Queek and his bodyguard Ska. One of the biggest Skaven? Get out of here.

Also Queek's Stormvermin smashed their way through Dwarf formation on many a occasion. I would like to know why the Skaven fighting abilities has such a bad rep here. It's like you guys view all the Skaven as mere slaverats and clanrats.

If you want to compare heights, then use the vermintide game.

>>46177286
either

How is warpstone safely disposed of when discovered by non-retarded people?

>>46177311
sold to Skaven for gold
sold on the black market
smashed with Ghal'maraz
taken to Lustria and left for the Slann to deal with it
used to overcharge necromantic spells from one of the Books of Nagash to raise an army of the dead and capture half of the Empire

many options

>>46177311
disposed off? It's basically the oil of the WHFB world.

Mages use it to fuel their maics. You can use it to extend your life or turn copper to gold. Anything you can imagine.

>>46177272
There was Chaos Warriors arcane item that allowed you to mess with opponent miscast rolls.
Not exactly the most iconic,but most fun

>>46177299
I used the loathesome ratmen source book from GW and all the other GW books I've read, as a skaven player with a boner for thanquol it was a point of interest.
Thanquol is supposed to be tall as fuck, as a result of his masters regeneration amulet but that plot line appears to have been dropped.

>>46177311
Exploded, it's just magic that has been allowed to condense. Blowing it up will disperse it.

>>46177272
>>46177104
>empire: ghal maraz, the runeswords
>skaven: Fellblade
>dark elves: ring of hotek
>high elves: banner of the world dragon
>wood elves: acorn of ages

My minds too foggy to recall the others.

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>Given enough time, Thanquol was certain he would figure out exactly how everything was Skraekual’s fault, but just now, he had more pressing concerns. For instance, there was the nasty matter of a giant shadow that was becoming less shadowy with each passing breath. He could see shoulders now, and great black wings. Horns and claws, and terrible pounding hooves.

>‘Did… did… you-you call-summon… that?’ Queek’s voice was as soft and mewing as that of a whelp torn from a breeder’s teat. The warlord’s eyes were immense pools of terror as he cringed beside Thanquol.

>"You have called, and I have come."

>The voice of Skarbrand thundered through Thanquol’s mind. Raw terror pulsed through his body. He glanced at Queek, then back at the horrifying manifestation. There was really only one thing to do.

>‘Keep it busy while I get help!’ Thanquol snarled at Queek, shoving the warlord towards the manifestation. The grey seer didn’t even wait to hear Queek’s angry snarls, but spun about on his heel and scurried across the hall. Darting and weaving between awestruck dwarfs and shivering skaven, he drove straight towards the inner gate, certain he could find some small opening to squirm through. He’d feel a lot better putting a big thick dwarf wall between himself and Skarbrand.

>"A coward dies a thousand deaths. All of them slow and very painful"

>>46177508
>Exploded, it's just magic that has been allowed to condense. Blowing it up will disperse it.

Won't that just suffused the area with deadly warp dust?