/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General

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Now we're talking.

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So is Vivec a hermaphrodite right? Does he have both, or does he will whatever he wants into existence?

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Alright, sorry for bringing up even more Skyrimfaggotry, but I've been finally playing through the main questline so a lot of questions have sprung up.

One of my biggest is about how apparently learning a word of power means bringing that power into yourself. So learning Dragonrend, with all its anger and hate poured into it, would bring that anger and hate into you. How can that be? What does the thu'um change?

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>>46121437
A hermaphrodite? Not technically, afaik, though he could probably pull a Loki and turn into a female horse if we wanted to. He just embodies duality and androgyny.

>>46121443
When you learn a Word, you aren't just getting new vocab. You're taking the raw concept of that word into yourself.

So, knowing Yol for example means that the very concept of fire, the meaning of it's entire existence in the universe, the most base raw understanding of the concept of [FIRE] is now an integral part of your being.

>>46121483
No, he's literally a hermaphrodite. Pre-Heart, even.

>>46121443
Dragonrend was invented by humans, remember? Doesn't have anything in that's not already present in the psyche, that's why it fucks dragons up so much.

It's kinda like the reverse of a character being mind-raped by cthullu or what have you.

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>>46121505
Well, that makes sense to me - fire, change, force, power, stuff like that.

But Dragonrend's power was something along the lines of weakening a dragon by forcing it to feel mortality - which, being creatures of time and more or less permanent, is anathema to them. But how could mortality scar something that is already mortal?

>>46121630
To a mortal, learning about mortality does nothing. But Dragonrend was a shout that was never supposed to exist, and was made with hate and fear. So by learning it you run the risk of some serious soul corruption.

>>46121437
Accordingly to "What My Beloved Taught Me" he always had both kinds of junk.

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>>46121533
You sure about that?

>>46121739
Yes.

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>>46121699
So it corrupts the soul because of the fact that it's an impossible shout? Or just because of the hate and fear being corrupting?

>>46121739
I found this
>From Sermon 8: "Vivec then reached out from the egg all his limbs and features, merging with the simulacrum of his mother, gilled and blended in all the arts of the star-wounded East, under water and in fire and in metal and in ash, six times the wise, and he became the union of male and female, the magic hermaphrodite, the martial axiom, the six-death of language and unique in all the middle world. "

Being in the sermons, it's probably just embellishment

Another thread, another debate over Vivec's genitals.
It's good to be home.

>>46121851
Hate and fear if I understand what the Greybeards were telling you correctly. Although the fact that it's unnatural made Alduin spaz out a bit in the flashback.

>>46121912
It's actually not, even though it serves its thematic purpose.

>>46121630
Think about it as computer code. The thu'um is, in a way, learning the syntax of code that causes something to happen in reality in the program. Or the very essence of something that causes it to happen in reality. Like plato notion that there was a perfect word and things in reality were mere imperfect shades of it? Well, the thu'um means you can have bits of this true essence.

Now, back to computer code. Dragonrend is a hack. Its not part of the code. Is designed to glitch it. If you are a monk who spend your life trying to learn to see things for their pure, truthful essence, something which is deliberately anti-natural, should really be offensive to you. Corrupt. Abominant.

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>>46122065
Aaah, so it's horrible in the sense of the Way of the Voice and is unnatural, not how things are supposed to be done. I think I get it now.

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Does every prince have specific unique minions? Azura has Winged Twilights, Molag Bal the Xivilai, Mephala the Spider Daedroth. What does someone like Sanguine have?

>>46122559
Fuckbuddies.

>>46122559
Smaller scale versions of Sam Guinivene? (No idea if I spelled that right).

>>46122559
Yeah, probably. We've seen somewhere less than 1% of everything in Oblivion.

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>>46122559
If I had to guess, I'd say Sanguine probably doesn't have unique minions. He probably snatches up lesser daedra that happen to align with his hedonistic nature, like that one rogue daedroth in Morrowind that ditched Molag Bal to get drunk and fuck stuff.

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>Reminder that Breton nobles eat collequiva ice as dessert.
>Reminder that ice cream is canon.

>>46122710
>tfw you realize you haven't had any ice cream since last year
I wanna eat ice cream now...

>>46122756
It's the only sweet I eat any more. I couldn't live without it.

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>>46121912
Tell me more.

>>46122792
>Come now. A six-bitten dram and I’ll touch. A scrib-roll and we’ll have candles. Closer and in your ear: I was born a whelp-wench in my under, if that suits you.

>>46122683
Fucking Menta Na.

>>46122859
That's the one. He seemed like a pretty cool guy.

>>46122792
>So Vivec, who had a grain of Ayem's mercy, set about to teach Molag Bal in the ways of belly-magic. They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of Rape's so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret.

>>46122559
As far as I know, Peryite just gets some lesser Dremora, so nothing unique.

>>46122988
As far as mortals know.

>>46122988
Poor Perry.

>>46123066
He's putting all his chips on the next kalpa.

So, yeah, what you said.

>>46122966
So Vivec and Molag Bal compared their junk, then Vivec bit Bal in the dick?

>>46123098
He bit part of it off and fashioned a physical spear out of it.
>But Vivec made of his spear a more terrible thing, from a secret he had bitten off from the King of Rape. And so he sent Molag Bal tumbling into the crack of the biters and swore forever that he would not deem the King beautiful ever again.
>Vivec wept as he slew all those around him with his terrible new spear. He named it MUATRA, which is Milk Taker, and even the Chimeri mystics knew his fury. Anyone struck by Vivec at this time turned barren and withered into bone shapes. The path of bones became a sentence for the stars to read, and the heavens have never known children since. Vivec hunted down the biters one by one, and all their progeny, and he killed them all by means of the Nine Apertures, and the wise still hide theirs from Muatra.

>>46123098
Bit him so hard he got magic love making powers.

>>46123098
And he was like
>CHIM
Which is probably really Ehlnofex for
>FUCK

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>>46123131
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>>46123142
I am liking this. What's the source for it? His sermons?

>>46123297
Yep, 36 lessons of Vivec

>>46122781
Everyone else in my house is on a diet. I'm about 69-70kg so I'm starting to worry that if I have to eat any more slimming world food I'll start to starve. Again.

>>46123297
The 36 Sermons. Vivec really likes putting his Spear in weird shit. He did it to a dreugh once. Nerevar watched.

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>>46123337
He also put it in Nerevar once.

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>>46123337
For my next trick, I'll put on my water face.

>>46123386
Everyone knows he liked it.

>>46123601
So good he came back for another.

>>46122559
He doesn't need daedric minions. He has Reman's soul. Whenever he needs some partying done that even he can't handle, he unleashes Reman from his containment unit for a few hours.

>>46123688
Is this why Martin was drawn to worshiping Sanguine?

>>46123386
FOUL RAPE__

What naming convention do Altmer follow?

>>46124144
Tolkein.

>>46124144
Supposedly every name is a string of digits that equal up to their serial number, but that could be propaganda.
Really, it's just what sounds elfy.

>>46124144
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Altmer_Names
>>46124204
>every name is a string of digits that equal up to their serial number
Always loved this.

>>46124204
>Supposedly every name is a string of digits that equal up to their serial number
Christ

This is why you never go full KB

>>46123328
I get that. In my teen years, I used to be over weight, lost too much weight, and now I've got the dad-bod.

You know I used to know a guy who gave up cigars, alcohol, sugar, and masturbation. He was perfectly healthy and lived a long life until the day he killed himself.

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>>46121739
>What is the difference between men and women?
>There is no difference in me, milord. Come: rooftop. Bring your money.
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/what-my-beloved-taught-me

>>46124267
Kirkbride? Koala Butt?

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What is Chim? I see it posted every thread and have never seen an explanation.

Holiest city in TES:
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Kirkbridge

>>46124476
1-1=1

>>46124403
That's pretty obviously just teen-Vivec offering to take Nerevar's spear for money

>>46124242
>>46124267
>>46124144
>>46124204
>Early literature by man painted the High Elves in poor light, though the impartiality of these accounts is questionable. It was suggested that the Altmer practiced eugenic infanticide, putting to death nine in ten of their newborns due to impurities, that Altmeri names are simply combinations of numbers in their own language, and that Altmer culture revolves around displaying social status.[18] Later writings contain no mention of any of these practices; whether they were fabricated, exaggerated, discontinued, or covered up afterwards is not known.

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>>46124481
>http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/

>>46124534
The part where he talks about his female genitalia from the same text is already in this thread.

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>>46124476

I think I'll just stick to High Germanic for my High Elf characters

>>46124568
It seems pretty cut and dry.

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>>46124568
Good enough for you, anon?

>>46124476
Reality is a dream. The dreamer is the Godhead who is everything and everyone.
If you realize it's a dream, one of two things happens.
Zero-summing is when you realize you aren't real, and since you are the godhead and therefore reality, reality realizes you aren't real, and you fade from existence like back to the future.
CHIM is when, through will, you realize it's a dream but refuse to believe you aren't real. Like lucid dreaming in reality. You get God powers, but you need to regulate your actions, lest you wake up reality.

>>46124568
It isn't that bad. It's how I discovered scrolls have messages, and lists in-game dialogue for some characters.

the game's lore is so weird, yet so far i haven't noticed it in oblivion and skyrim, it just feels like the usual fantasy setting

>>46124851
Oblivion has hardly any. The only neat thing I remember is using the Gray Fox's cowl makes you nonexistent. Skyrim, you have to dig for it.

>>46124680
I think Mikhael Karkuxor has family up there.

>>46124898
There's a little in Oblivion. Give me a second to think of it.

The Knights of the Nine has it, at least.

>>46124922
oh yeah knights of the nine is pretty supernatural, the lore of pelinal is my favourite

>>46124922
Oh, Mankar, of course.

Skyrim has you talk to a biological time machine (dragon) monk on top of the tallest mountain in the world about kalpas too.

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>>46124898

>>46124966
>>46124951
It's interesting to note that KotN, and by extension Oblivion, contains the first reference as far as I'm aware, at least in game, of the concept of kalpas.

There's also the Tower concept that came from/during the time of Oblivion.

>>46124851
Listen to the preacher in Whiterun and you'll get some of it. Also the Dragonborn DLC does touch on a lot of the weird shit as well.

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>>46125033
I had no idea Miraak was into such deep shit. Good findings, anon.

>>46125033
I wanted to rule Tamriel with Miraak ;_;

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>>46125423
>not wanting to snuggle with Mora for all eternity

>>46125524
The Princes are not cute. They are unknowable.

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>>46125524
Both options are fine for me

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>>46124575
Thanks Anon, that helps!

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>>46125579
Unknowably cute.

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>>46125688
>>46125642
>>46125524

Hold up!

>No waifus or husbandos except Vehk or Vehk

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>>46125688
>pus the magic dragon
>cute
Pick one

>>46125033
And yet people still say that they're dumbing ES down.

>>46125758
it's just harder to notice, so much for dumbing down

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>>46125579

>>46125758
I seriously doubt they intended all that.

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>>46125742
All daedra are cute, Peryite just happens to have a slight cold.

>>46124851
That's part of the fun of it - once you notice it, you start to realize the entire game is not as normal fantasy as you thought.

Go back and listen to Paarthunax explaining shit, or how Mankar Camoran explains his crazed views, knowing all that you know now.

>>46125839
Then why did they put it in and why can it be interpreted in a way that lines up with stuff they've brought up in previous games and still makes sense?

>>46125758
>>46125839
The complexity of it is wild when you read player interpretations on the forums (and they're good reads to boot), but I have to agree that it seems unlikely they actually planned these things out, and that it, just like any other religion has simply evolved organically out of a lot of cool and mysterious, but unconnected snippets.

>>46125865
yeah, i'm about to restart a playthrough of skyrim and oblivion after reading that miraak screencap and the rest, i haven't played in months, oh jesus i'll have to download so many mods again, for skyrim at least.

>>46125986
Wheels of Lull is worth grabbing.

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>>46125033
delicious lore, thanks for sharing anon
have a vehk

>>46125986
I'm doing Ordinator and Sperg together this play through, pretty neat.
>>46126011
Trainwiz you forgot your name
but it is really good.

>>46126011
that looks freaky, i'm going to try it, thanks

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>>46125742
Pus the magic dragon
Lived by the sea
And frolicked in the plague-born mists
In a land called Bthardamz

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>>46126146
The great big burly Dragonborn
Loved that rascal Pus
And brought him rubys and deathbell sacks
And some other mystical fuss

>>46125934
It's engineered in a way that Bethesda can do whatever they want without messing things up, ans sometimes accidentally doing exactly the right thing.

>>46126434
It was pretty deliberate with the mantling and godhead and towers. Maybe the other stuff, but they were pretty intentional about that.

>>46126501
I may be mixing up my theories, I only skimmed the image. Is this the one about him being a Sharmat?

>>46126011
How lore-friendly is this?

>>46126766
It's Trainwiz canon.

That is to say, eh, plausible, technically. It's interesting, at least.

Have you played SSE?

>>46126766
Very.

>>46125758
>someguy on a 4chan said something so it is definitely intentional and true lore
Not even a good theory imho

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>>46126766
It's part of Trainwiz's Chronoc0da. So it stays consistent with the exiting lore, but it takes a few leaps.

Play SSE for Morrowind, then get Whells of Lull with Bhruce for Skyrim.

>>46126831
No, I usually avoid quest mods because I don't want bullshit invading my headcannon. As long as it doesn't actively contradict canon, I should be okay, I'll give it a try.

>>46126766
Lore friendly with SSE.

>>46126766
apparently bethesda liked it enough to consider him for a job

>>46122227
I lose it a little bit at "Face of the forbidden tickle" every fucking time, I swear.

>>46127049
Telling lies is a prerequisite for working at Bethesda, so that isn't saying much.

>>46126235
>The great big burly Dragonborn
I'm pretty sure I've never made a dragonborn that can really be described as such.

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>>46126235
Daedra live forever
But not so mortal borns
Monarch wings and mystic things make way for other joys
One sad night it happened, the Dragonborn came no more
And Pus that sickly dragon, he sneezed and grew more sores

>>46127150
That's why he isn't working on the next TES game?

Trainwiz, buddy, pal, friendo. You need to step up your lie quota.

>>46127150
To be fair. Much of TES lore can be summed up as "lying liars lying about lies they lied to lying liars, except everything was maybe true."

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>>46125986
Honestly? I still don't use many mods.

I only have about twenty, and most of them are pretty minor - sounds of skyrim, some extra kinds of weapons, different races among the Imperial Legion, some patrols of adventurers and soldiers.

I feel like if I wanted to seriously mod it, I'd have to turn it into a waifu simulator or have a really, really good idea of where I wanted to go with it - not just vaguely 'better than it is.'

>>46127204
I don't lie, I fool.

>>46127255
What if you're fooling us right now about your lies?

>>46127280
Don't listen to him.
Don't listen to his sweet little lies.

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>>46127280
Then I've tricked all of you, haven't I?

>>46127317
No. Because if we know you're trying to fool us by lying about your lies, it ceases to be a trick, as no one has been fooled.

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Hey Trainwiz, you're an aficionado and purveyor of Sotha Sil and Sotha Sil accessories. What exactly makes him so based?

>>46127362
Ah, but maybe that was my ruse all along.

>>46127362
I think it's high time we say a few words about Mephala, for they are obviously watching over this thread.

>>46127362
Ah, but that is assuming is isn't being honest about his lies, or that he isn't lying about lying about lies.

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>>46127426
>few words about Mephala
She's got a big dick.

>>46127403
Basically, he's a character that has had enough screentime to interest people, especially given that he's got a cool aesthetic, all his lines have been clever or fascinating, and yet there's not enough known about him to inspire people.
Basically the same formula that every most-liked character in every anime ever has.

>>46127452
What is the original?

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>>46127465
So you're saying Sotha Sil is the ES-equivalent of Boba Fett?

>>46127403
He is an entire city. I mean, all the Tribunal are, but he literally is.

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>>46127475
Not him, but I personally linked it in the last thread. I'll link it again; for your pleasure.

>>46127465
>anime
Everything has these characters. Boba Fett did jack shit, but people love him

>>46127562
What makes you say that?

>>46127544
No, that's Dram.

>>46127544
Exactly.

>>46127594
It's a theory that he uploaded his consciousness to the Clockwork City before he died.

>>46127465
So is Bethesda really offering you a job?

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>>46127465
He had lines? Most words ever attributed to him were in a fictional story where he taught some people Mysticism. At best, some stuff has been said about him by people like Vivec.

Personally, I think he began to become like the Dwemer in too many ways.

>>46127646
Okay, so nothing actually said in-game?

>>46127652
He had last words.

>>46127665
Not explicitly, but the theory is derived from evidence in them, not texts outside of it.

>>46127689
What's the evidence?

>>46127665
He's obviously hooked up to the mainframe of the city, but consciousness uploading is still a theory.
In SSE we go a different route, sort of.

>>46127650
They're interested, which is not exactly the same, but otherwise yes.

>>46127665
If we're not counting SSE, no.

>>46127705
I assume you've played Tribunal or don't mind spoilers.

>>46127729
Yep, finished everything from Morrowind and beyond.

>>46127782
When he was confronted and killed by Almalexia, he was completely unresponsive. This leads to the theory that he had already uploaded his mind in anticipation.

>>46127855
Ah. I don't buy the theory, but I could see how some people might.

>>46127932
Personally I don't even care. Dead or not, it had the same result.

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>>46127855
But it was Boethiah that Anticipated Almalexia, not Sotha Sil.

>>46128119
Ffffffffccccccfffff

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Which Great House is the best House?

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>>46130214
Telvanni.

>>46130214
Any answer but Telvanni is objectively wrong.

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>>46130214
Dres, backbone of Morrowind labor.

They need more lore, though.

Alternatively based Redoran.
>Hlaalu bitchboys need not apply

>>46127721
If Bethesda do hire you, what would happen to Nanosteam?

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So how strong was Jyggallag?

He was purportedly strong enough that the other Daedra got scared and turned him into Sheogorath.

If that's true, how strong would that make Jyggy?

>>46131832
Ludicrously so. Given how absurdly powerful HM seems to be and how Sheogorath is still able to humiliate every other prince should he care to.

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>>46131832
Well, he might not be especially strong compared to one of the more warlike Daedric Princes like Malacath or Molag Bal. He's just dangerous because he opposes all of the other Daedric Princes at once, and would willingly exterminate them all, where all the others have their own alliances and fight a little less directly, as far as I know.

Basically if he teamed up with Ebonarm, he would be guaranteed to cut a swathe through most of the weaker princes, and if nothing else he could probably outright destroy one. And no Daedric Prince would want to be that one.

Still, I could be entirely wrong - the fact that he has any real power at all, when he's not directly worshiped by any mortals, shows how powerful Jyggy could potentially be.

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>>46125758
Mostly /v/ and the like.
But /v/ is retarded/contrarian, who the fuck takes them seriously?
>all these "bethesda was accidentally good" posts
Oh.
Regardless, people hate change, which is what Skyrim did with leveling and such. I've noticed a lot of Daggerfall fanboys hate on morrowind, and what did morrowind do? Drastic change in leveling and such. Sound familiar?
Just wait until TES 6, this part of the site'll be hell on earth. Gods have mercy on us all.
Why can't people just enjoy things?

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I know this isn't really on-topic, but does anyone have a link to a nice modpack for Morrowind, or a list of them? I haven't played it for about six years and I'm sure there's a bunch of great new stuff.

>>46122683
Wait, this is a thing? FUCK!
15 years of playing this game and I still haven't found shit!

>>46123445
Oh wow. I now see the water face in a new light.

>>46133193
Careful not to choke on Bethesda's dick, Anon!

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>>46133421
I'm just pissed that they took my Medium Armor skill away.
I want my stylish balance of defense and speed back, dammit!

>>46133891
>4
Muh dick

>>46121605
>It's kinda like the reverse of a character being mind-raped by cthullu or what have you.

I like the idea of someone speaking so much random shit that Cthulu just looks at him like "wtf is wrong with you?"

>>46133421
Have you looked up MGSO on ornitocopter?

It literrally installs everything for you, with only a couple prompts and optionals. Plus a boatload of tools.

why did Talos make it into the Imperial pantheon by achieving CHIM, but the Tribunal didn't?

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>>46134057
That's a huge help, thanks anon.

Time to have some fun.

>>46133421
>using modpacks for Morrowind
How casuel can you get.

>>46134254
Are you looking down on pre-assembled mod packs or mods in general?

>>46130214
Redoran is the best.
Hlaalu is the shittiest.

>>46134481
>A bunch of angry snobs living inside dead crabs and getting sand in their cracks because they wear skirts in blightstorms.
>Better than genius wizards living in towers they magically grew to suit them.
>Better than people who live in actual houses.

They're basically ashlanders with delusions of grandeur.

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Can you guys explain nord/nede/giant/atmoran shit for me?

>>46133808
I could say the same about you and /v/.

>>46134548
The Nords migrated to Atmora when they were still Wandering Ehlnofey.
The ones who stayed in Skyrim are the Nedes and giants.

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Oblivion had some good shit below the waterline

I especially like when Mankar calls Tamriel Lorkhan's realm of Oblivion.
I think it was UESP who flat out wrote that that was "wrong"

>>46134380
>pre-assembled mod packs
This.

>>46134663
So the Nedes were always in Skyrim? Good to know I think.

Not that I myself am particularly interested in it, any source for that? In case someone I tell that asks me for one?

>>46134724
I always thought that the Nedes were the first wave of men from Atmora.
>Direnni kept Nedes as sex slaves.
>Chimer got their skulls bashed in by the Nedes, after that they wrecked the shit out of Nedes.
>Ayelid kept them as "normal" slaves.
>Yokudans (Ra Gada) wiped them out.

>>46134747
>Chimer got their skulls bashed in by the Nedes
wat

>>46134761
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Brothers_of_Strife

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>>46134782
>Seen in: The Elder Scrolls Online
Hahahaha.
No.

>>46134791
?

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>>46134796

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>>46134843
>>46134796

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>>46134796
ESO is just a glorified fanfiction, and not even a particularly good one.

>>46134849

What's the problem here?

>>46134843
The series has contnually stripped away pretty much everything original or unique about the setting to make it more generic, and MMOs are crap anyway

>>46134849
?

Does anyone have a picture of Sithis speaking to player in ESO?

>>46134849
>posts a screenshot taken vastly out of context
way to go shitlord.

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>>46134893
Nevermind found it.

>>46134849
Having actually played ESO, I'm baffled at why you'd chose this screenshot when you could have posted something incredibly retarded.

>>46134856
>>46134843
Sorry anon, Todd said ESO lore was canon. You'll just have to accept that you were wrong all along.

>>46134859
Something about the Argonian's natural poison resistance I would assume? Its also one of their racial abilities in the online game

>>46134923

The chill is a transcription error.
She clearly just dislikes chili in her poison!

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>>46130214
Indoril

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>>46134915
Who the fuck cares about Todd at this point.

>>46134923
Yeah, resistance not immunity. So getting Poisoned is not impossible for an Argonian.

They had immunity in Morrowind and Oblivion; Resistance in Skyrim and Online and nothing in Arena and Daggerfall (Don't know if they even had poison and diseases at all in those games though).

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>>46134949
>a ded house
Ayyleid lmaormer.

>>46134849

Argonians are supposed to be poison immune. To be fair, they weren't in Skyrim either.

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>>46134923
Bethesda removed that in Skyrim. And I bet if you shove couple Jarrin roots to saxhleel's thoart it wouldn't survive.

>>46134915
He literally never said that

>>46134983
[Citation Needed]

>>46134915
/r/ Bethesda's TESO is canon tweet (not zenimax)
I cannot find it anymore

>>46134990
That's not how it works, anon. I'd expect /tg/ to understand that if any board. You claim Todd said something, you post a reference

You won't because it doesn't exist because he never said that

>>46130214
Telvanni, son.
Dose comfy mushroom towers, all dat magic, all dat money, all dem Telvanni girls, dat bug musk, dat power, an dat der immortality.

>>46134129
Imperials like Talos, it wasn't just CHIM, Vivec was the only member of Almsivi to achieve it and no one in universe knows any of that anyway.

>>46134724
Some book from Morrowind. Children of the Sky, maybe?

Their legend is that men were breathed to life by Kyne at the Throat of the World.

>>46134129
Talos is Akatosh, and cares for the Empire.
The Tribunal are three Daedra the Dunmer used to worship, and care only for Morrowind.

>>46135117
Lorkhan*

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What do the altmer expect to happen once they destroy the towers?

>>46135125
>>46135117
Same thing

>>46135114
Oh, yeah, I know that Legend but I never read to much into it and only treated it as a legend.
Also, that's a legend of the nords, and don't the nords know they came from atmora?
It's saying nothing about the Nede

>>46135125
>He doesn't know about Lorkhan and Akatosh.

>>46135132
To revert reality to how it was before they were trapped in the arena.
Essentially, godhood.

>>46135143
I do.

He's still more L than A, even if L is A.

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>>46135140
Most more recent historical studies such as "Frontier, Conquest" reject these myths and suggest that the Nedes came from Atmora before the Nords

>>46135133
>>46135143
They're not, the "Skyrim is about a schizophrenic god fighting himself" screenshot is really misleading.

Lorkh and Aka have different roles in the mythic and serve separate narrative purposes. They're only the same in the sense that they take turns wearing each other's masks each kalpa.
Akatosh himself is a fusion of Auri-El and Shezarr.

>>46135140
Eh? If their legend is that they came from the Throat, why would they have come from Atmora?

Anyway, yes, all men did. The Nedes just stayed. The Nords came back.

>>46135169
No your canon is wrong, my canon is right, they're the same fucking being. Idiot.

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>>46135168

>>46135169
Tell me who exactly you think Shezarr is, anon.

>>46135169
That's not what the idea is based on.

Selectives or not, they're the same.

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>>46135184
Why won't Fyr just clone a new body for Yagrum?

>>46135165
His picture in Oblivion has half of his head being a dragon, anon.

>>46135191
Are there spaceships in Elder Scrolls?

>>46135227
Yes.

>>46135176
The question I ask myself is, When the nords came from Atmora - and indeed know that - why would they believe Kyne breathed life into them at the Throat?

I mean, it IS known that they came from atmora. As read in
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Frontier,_Conquest
and
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_1st_Edition/Skyrim

And that the Nedes too came from Atmora is only a Theory, no fact as far as the texts that I've read go.

>>46135193
That's Akatosh, which is more proof that A is L, not that T is A.

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>>46135227
Oh yes.

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>>46135246
And yes.

>>46135240
You're really confusing me here. Why would the Nords believe they came from the Throat of they know they came from Atmora?

Because they know they came from the Throat and don't believe that they came from Atmora.

All life originated on Tamriel. They might know know this for a fact, but we do.

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>>46135256
And yeeees.

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>>46135262
Definitely yes.

>>46135256
What is this, a void ship for ants?

>>46135267
Fuck off back to /r9k/, Pelinal.

>>46135273
Shadowkey was a mobile game.

>>46135244
No, A is the dragon.
Why are you even debating this? If A=L and L=T then A=T.

>>46135246
>>46135262
Where there hella cool void battles in the first and second eras with these ships?

>>46135278
Pelinal is more of a white knight. Wouldn't be from /r9k/.

>>46135303
But he was a faggot.

>>46135303
Really? If I recall properly, he was normally covered in red.

>>46135257
You are confusing me too, since what I've always though is that the nords originated from Atmora.
And the question
>Why would the Nords believe they came from the Throat of they know they came from Atmora?
Is exactly what I'm worndering myself too.
I mean in the Annotated Anuad it is clearly stated, that the Ehlnofey that were on atmora became the Nords and as such the Nords as we know them originate from Atmora and not from the Throat
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/annotated-anuad

I mean Ysgramor led the first Nord wave from atmora to tamriel, did he not? And as far as I know that is something that the Nords know, since the Companions in Skyrim make references to Ysgramor so he and what he's done seems to be known.

But maybe they Think that They were men first fleeing from Tamriel to Atmora and then back, not knowing that the Ehlnofey evolved into nords only when they already were on Atmora.
... I hope I make at least some kind of sense here

>>46135293
What? A is depicted in the stained glass window with two heads, highlighting his duality with L.

A=L

T mantles L and becomes a god.

T=L

Therefore T=L=A

I'm not arguing anything except it's more accurate to say T is L first and foremost.

>>46135303
>hates one biological group to the point of indescriminate slaughter
>yells REEEE and goes on a massive killing spree
>is literally a robot

Come on now

>>46135346
In a broad sense, keep in mind that all the sources we have are in-universe and therefore fallible based on their limited knowledge. Whoever wrote the Anuad is basing it off their beliefs, biases and limited knowledge.

All life originated on Tamriel.*

That's why it's called the Return.

*(Except stuff from past kalpas)

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This is dangerous talk.

>>46124267
You know Romans sort of did that with their praenomen, right? Not serial numbers, but numbers as praenomen, so that you could call your first daughter "First", and your fifth son "Fifth".

>>46135377
>In a broad sense, keep in mind that all the sources we have are in-universe and therefore fallible based on their limited knowledge. Whoever wrote the Anuad is basing it off their beliefs, biases and limited knowledge.
Yeah I know that, but what is a reliable source stating
>All life originated on Tamriel.*
?

I mean all the Sources I know are in some way stating or implying that the Nords came from and originate in Atmora.

>>46135352
That's just explanation, though.
S=P, doesn't mean you have to always state that S=CoC and P=CoC every time you mention that S=P.

>>46135401
Even in-universe the Out of Atmora theory is contested.

Uh, let me search for a source on Tamriel being the cradle of life. I know the idea is brought up, but it's mostly based a broad reading of the lore as a whole. It just makes sense. Tamriel is the focus of this kalpa. That's why everything happens there. That's why the Ada warred there, convened there, lived there, why the Ra Gada sailed there from the past, the Nords returned and the Akaviri invaded from the future.

It's the here and now. WGT is the center of the wheel.

>>46135418
Well, that depends on if you believe that.

For the purposes of what I assume the original poster was trying to say, T = L. If you want to talk about how he also = A, there's a separate context for that. Why he became a god is all L. Shezarrines, mantling, CHIM. That's L-tok, baby.

>>46126766
It's cool and fun, which is what matters the most.

>>46135463
Nah, they asked why Talos is in the Divines, so I said he's Akatosh and and cares for the Empire. I didn't feel the need to also say that he is that way through Lorkhan, or how he became a god, just that he fits.

Are there Towers on other continets or are they all on Tamriel. None on Akavir or frozen in Atmora?

>>46127615
Dram is a bit too obscure to be a Boba. Dram is more like IG-88.

>>46135509
There was Orichalc Tower on Yokuda.

>>46135509
All on Tamriel. All mythically significant things center on Tamriel

>>46130214
House Mora, followed by Hlaalu.

>>46135502
You're not technically wrong, it would just be more accurate to say he's Lorkhan. He literally became Lorkhan, filling his empty spot in the pantheon. It has little to so with Akatosh, aside from the fact that A is also L.

Akatosh still exists distinctly

>>46135509
Just Tamriel. It's a Mer thing.
alongside him.

>>46135547
Ah, the last part of the first response got cut off below the second.

>>46135527
Hmm, good point. I was mostly connecting the fact that

1. They're mysterious
2. They both keep coming back
3. They both work for Darth Vader, I mean Tiber

How can I make playing a mage fun and/or over powered in Skyrim and Oblivion?

>>46135617
Stealth.

>>46135617
>Using magic
>Not AXE
Begone milk-drinker

>>46135617
By asking /tesg/

>>46135617
>Skyrim
Mods; Better Magic or SPERG, and Apocalypse or Midas for spells.

>Oblivion
Spellcrafting is the key to brokenness

What class did you get in the personality quiz in Morrowind?

>>46135636
AHHHH yes, we've been EXpecting you.

>>46135187
The creative and inventive aspect of Lorkhan as venerated by the Cyrodiils.

I don't buy the "belief shapes the Aedra" theory myself. Partly because it contradicts itself sometimes (like the Daedra having different cultural aspects that behave differently) but mostly because it's boring and generic fantasy and trying to systematize something that doesn't really need to be.

It all started with Glorantha's mythos and in Glorantha mythopoeia in that sense simply does not exist - the Orlanthi and the Praxians have different myths that resemble each other but are not the same and Dawntime is flexible enough to accomodate both and many more. Just like the Dawn Era, of course.

>>46135633
Because that's not waifus, so hey wouldn't care.
>>46135632
One of these days, you'll get out of your vikaboo phase and look back on this post in shame.
>>46135635
I appreciate it.
>>46135628
You mean like using a mage that sneaks? Might be good for Skyrim.

>>46135675
Glorantha is the setting with plant elves and golem dwarves, right?

>>46135675
Considering TES is just gnostic meta-Glorantha, mythopoeia isn't the strangest concept to have.

Not disagreeing with you, though.

>>46135699
Yeah, it's a fucking great setting.

>>46135685
/tesg/ have a nice site. honestly /tesg/ is one of the better generals because they actually talk about the game in-between the waifu spam
http://www.tesgeneral.com/#!skyrim-guide/c22o0

>>46135675
The Aedra and Deadra don't act different, just treat different people differently. Akatosh is the only one whose aspect is actually split.

>>46135636
I think I got Witch Hunter along time back. Will have to retake it and see later.

>>46135734
It's theorized that the Adra are able to be warped by perception because of their lack of agency due to being only mostly dead.

>>46135719
They only talk about Skyrim, though

>>46135401
>The Nords you know are the Nords that were, and any formalization beyond that is southern comfort. We came from Skyrim since the end of the beginning of the last end...
-on the nords lack of creation myth
MK throws some hints about nords coming not only from skyrim, but also from the last kalpa.
Though I admit I have no idea what "on the nords lack of creation myth" even means.
Can someone explain to me what this text is actually about and why the nords dont have a creation myth?

>>46135768
If no one brings up the other games they talk mostly about the most recent one.
If you ask about other tes games they will most likely answer that too

>>46134875
Remind me what is original and unique in the setting?

(MK's ERP self-insert doesn't count)

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Happy Oblivion 10 years aniversary, /tgesg/

>>46135791
Cuz nothing really got created?

It just changed. Like their minds.

>>46135823
What MK, Kurt, and the others wrote during the time period between Redguard and Skyrim.

>>46135825
Wow, is it really?

>>46135791
>southern comfort.
I immediately thought of the whiskey, an realized I didn't have any.
I might be an alcohol. ;_;

>>46135792
No, I've been there, the second I found about this place I never went back to that shithole.

>>46135836
>southern comfort
>whiskey

>>46135768
They sometimes talk about the older ones, there was some oblivion talk yesterday.

>>46135791
>Giving a shit about MK's post Morrowind stuff
His newest lore is either insipid retcons or nonsense to explain away the stuff that doesn't fit his headcanon (the same way he threw a fit about mithril in TES3 when it had been there since game 1) and reminds me of the book of Mormon's clumsy faux KJ english.

I wish his writing could get past "I'm the dude who wrote Morrowind and Redguard, worship me"

>>46135846
It's whiskey flavored, is my point.

>>46135791
But isn't KB writing in character there? That'd be a biased source too then, right?
Anyways, thanks for posting and explaining a bit.

>Can someone explain to me what this text is actually about and why the nords dont have a creation myth?
I guess you could consider this part, a bit of an answer to that
>See now why asking the Nords for their creation myth is as unbearable to hear for them as it is for you to hear their never-really-an-answer? We'll never think that way

>>46135843
Well, I can only say that if I ask a question about the games there, I usually get good answers.

>>46135825
Shit, it really is! I wish there was a modpack like MGSO for it, I don't have time to lean how to mod it...

>>46135791
Btw, what things are from the last kalpa? Molag Bal? Dreughs? Alduin? Hist?

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>>46135834
Yes

>>46135867
MK is always writing in character, it's just that his fanclub has a tendency to take even the most self-serving scrap of lore as absolute gospel.

>>46135870
You don't have 15 minutes?

>>46135853
Idiot. TES is literally his headcanon, as awful as that term is.

>>46135880
All the Ada transcend kalpas.

That leaves the Dreugh, Umaril, maybe Redguards, some other stuff.

>>46135926
Why do people hate the term headcanon?
Is it because it sounds dumb? Or what it represents?

>>46135902
I've been told there's a lot of stuff, with bashed patches and all that.

>>46135926
>TES is literally his headcanon
Except it really isn't, as much as you wish it was. The only lore he wrote after Morrowind was minor contract work. Which I'm actually mildly thankful for given how shit it was.

>>46135934
Because it sounds dumb and reinforces fanfiction mentality.

>>46135934
I don't like it because it's an oxymoron. If it's only in your head, it's not canon. If it's canon, it's not only in your head.

>>46135870
You have time to play video games, but no time to mod?

>>46135938
That's just not true. Do you have any opinions that aren't parroted from misinformation others have said?

TES as a whole as we know it stems from an idea MK and Kurt had, further developed with others. After that, no matter what happens, the base is there. The one he built. Everything is derivative of that.

You can argue that what he's done since rhythm isn't good, but that's not the same argument anymore.

>>46135926
So is Trinimac reborn in the next kalpa or is he still out there? Is Malacath just an imposter or an aspect of Trinimac?

>>46135991
Since then*

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>>46135870
>MGSO

>>46136000
That's a little hazy. If there was going to be another kalpa, he'd probably return to his original role, or someone else would have taken it up. I'm not sure.

>>46135991
>TES as a whole as we know it stems from an idea MK and Kurt had
I see Kirkbride's muatra is lodged deeply in your throat anon.

Kurt and MK didn't have anything to do with Arena.

>>46136019
Sorry some people want mods fast and easy with little to no real difference. Not everyone views it a serious as you do.

>>46136060
These people should just go play Skyrim.

>>46136051
Are you trying to imply that Arena lore is what we discuss here?

Anyone else want an Elder Scrolls game where you're a free-thinking Daedra struggling for true freedom, even if just for himself? Or is it just me and my incessant desire to RP characters struggling to free themselves of the chains and shackles of expectations they were born under?

>>46136051
See, I'm not talking about Arena, or the generic series it would have continued to be and which we wouldn't be here taking about, if it wasn't for him.

I'm talking about the release of Redguard and the total overhaul of the franchise on every level. While not dismissing Arena and Daggerfall from the table, they have little to do with what I'm talking about.

>>46136066
Backpedal harder. You were basically crediting writers who only joined in for Redguard for making the whole world.

Even Daggerfall is still a thing.

>>46136065
How's the view from up your own asshole?
>>46136073
No, not really.

>>46136073
Like Planescape?

>>46136065
That makes no sense, Morrowind is a 14 years old game, people don't want to learn how to mod it without knowing whether they'll like it or not. MGSO is a godsend for new players, as it makes it look better and includes all the necessary patches.

>>46136085
I'm not even that anon. TES as we now it is from Redguard onwards. That's when metaphysics beyond what a god's name is came about, that's when it stopped being a generic fantasy hack-and-slash.

>>46136092
How is that like Planescape?

>>46135976
Not too much time.

>>46136085
They share similar names. Without the context of the rest of the series, that's it. Khajiit wouldn't even have forms

>>46136082
I don't actually find making the world revolve around his super special RP characters and explaining away every single aspect of cosmology enriching, I find it to remove all mystery, especially when a lot of it is downright dumb and relies on falsely profound seeming proclamation style.

Mantling is about the only worthwhile mythological concept TES added to fantasy.

>>46136100
MGSO is an outdated and badly optimized shit. You either mod manually or get a shitty installation.
>new players
More like filthy casu-els.

>>46136123
I don't know, I've never played it.

>>46136131
Feel free to leave, then.

>>46136131
Are you, perhaps, retarded? None of that existed before MK. None of it.

You're saying he ruined it by making it.

>>46136127
Khajiit still don't have forms outside of book lore.

>>46136114
Delving too deep into the heart of the metaphysics risks effectively making a universe too reliant on one single view, no matter how interesting it might seem at first.

A universe where interpretatio romana is actually true rather than a vague possibility bugs me tremendously

>>46136146
Or maybe I can just feel free to disregard MK's fanfiction as more than some character's ultimately flawed account.

I've played every TES since Daggerfall, I just don't see the point of proclaiming Kirkbridal Infallibility.