Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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Platinum jaina a beast

>>46100698
Fucking blue dragons, man. She was going to go through with it; the spell had already been cast!

So, on the subject of the idea that would never happen where the Burning Legion manages to destroy prime-timeline Azeroth, and people jump ship to AU Draenor and set up shop there, there was another idea a friend presented to me. Basically, another status quo shake-up that would never happen, but I think would be cool.

His idea was that, once the Old Gods become even more prominent, the two-faction system shifts. The Alliance and Horde become firmer allies, but themselves have massive separatist movements engineered by the Old Gods, and the opposition turns from Alliance vs Horde to Free Peoples vs Old Gods, essentially. The two factions, for the most part, share races and classes, but with twists. Shadow Paladins for the Old Gods, for example.

Like I said, it would never happen, but I think it could be cool. Maybe for WoW 2, if that would ever exist.

>>46100830
or we could have AU alliance invade AU Draenor

>>46100830
>Players jump into AU Azeroth
>Utilizing the experience and knowledge from their Azeroth, every single problem their Azeroth suffered get resolved in the most easiest way imaginable (including beating the unholy crap out of Deathwing so hard the world would tremble)

And then there was this thing with Jaina going so far as marrying AU Terenas so to make sure AU Arthas won't turn into the Lich King.

>>46100830
>The two factions, for the most part, share races and classes, but with twists
How would that work mechanically, though? What could differentiate, say, the "shadow" paladins so that they're more than black-and-purple reskins of the grossly incandescent originals?

>>46101188
It'd mostly be aesthetic changes.

>>46101188
Grossly neon, as it were.

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>>46100241
>UED
Got some serious feelings right now...the United Earth Directorate was one of the best things in SC.
Hope they come back and fucking CONQUER the sector.

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>>46100897
I like the idea of visiting AU Azeroth created by the Horde not invading, but no Horde invasion means no Alliance. All the human kingdoms, Stormwind, Lordaeron, Gilneas, Kul Tiras, Stromgarde, Alterac would still exist.
And they'd have never been friends with the dwarves of Ironforge, who would never have made peace with the Dark Irons, who would still be ruling Blackrock Mountain as servants of Ragnaros. The Elves, both High and Night, would still be isolationist dicks fighting their petty wars against nearby trolls.
Tauren would still be mostly nomads wandering Kalilmdor, occasionally fighting the quillboar.
It also means no Scourge. So Sylvanas would still be Ranger General over in Quel'Thalas. The Sunwell would still be up and running.
So would Teldrassil, the the World Tree.

>>46101286
>Grossly neon
Fel magic out the wazoo with heavy inspiration from Tyrant Velhari's attacks?

>>46101297
The anon who did the post in that thread here.

Indeed. I hope they'll waltz in with a larger force and with all the techno stuff they have, forcing everyone in the Koprulu Sector to go into a Forged Alliance like in SupCom.

Blizzard didn't have time to make them into a faction in their own rights and justified them being Terrans with the same tech because they needed to somehow manage to supply themselves on the spot, hence why they had to downgrade their forces to being simply Terrans.

The fluff states they are Terrans 2.0 in terms of advanced tech. And this tech is OP enough to make the Protoss have a serious challenge.

>>46101322
>So Sylvanas would still be Ranger General over in Quel'Thalas.
Alleria would be, Sylvanas replaced her after she went missing

>>46101446
Oh yeah.
Wonder how they'd react to evil undead Sylvanas showing up.

>>46101464
Hell, I wonder how evil undead Sylvanas would react to showing up in a Quel'Thalas that is 100% zombie free.

>>46101446
>>46101464
>>46101514
No matter what, it would be awkward in the extreme.

>>46101556
Well, unless she had some kind of psychotic breakdown over it and went full corruption. Then it would be less "awkward" and more "expansion's newest raid boss"

>>46101591
>went full corruption
>expansion's newest raid boss

That's the standard MO of Blizzard these days.

Azeroth being overrun by the burning legion would be pretty cool.
Blizzard could end Legion with us defeating some random big demon overlord kinda thing but in more of a "winning the battle, but not the war" kinda way.

We go to AU draenor only to go to AU Azeroth during the next new expansion and then preparing to retake our Azeroth.

>>46101650
I know, hence why I bring it up as an unfortunate possibility that is entirely in line with what happens in new content.

>>46101687
Seriously, I really am wondering if there is anyone legitimately evil in WarCraft.

Everyone is either a jerk, of a nicer shade, or pretty chill dudes, but never legitimately evil unless they get corrupted.

>>46101786
Dreadlords and Old Gods, mostly. They appear to be completely evil on their own without anyone corrupting them. They also happen to be the ones doing most of the heavy lifting on corrupting people, so its really just those guys ruining it for everybody.

>>46101786
Gul'dan

>>46101653
That would mean coming up an entire set of world to replace the current one.
WoW don't have the resource to do that anymore.

Its not a matter of writing but a matter of not having the budget.

>>46101786
Demons and Shadow-minions (like Old Gods) are inherently evil.

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>>46101843
>>46101861
>>46101938
Wished there were more legitimately evil mortals.

And Gul'Dan got turned into a demon with a shit-eating grin and with chains that don't make any sense.

>>46101933
:'(

>>46101954
Unfortunately when bad guys turn into demons it suggests corruption was involved. Not to say that he wasn't evil before, but turning demonic definitely suggests that he's more evil now.

>>46101984
Hoping he'll dethrone Kil'Jaden and Archimonde as leaders and then go for Sargeras then.

>>46101954

Whats with the random fuckign horns and chains? The whole point of Gul'dan is that despite all the incredible power, and evil he was still just looking like an old orc. It was like an event horizon of evil, hiding the most powerful mortal even lived(before the retcons).

>>46102060
Bad writing and a ton of coke for Metzen. That is all.

>>46102030
I wouldn't mind Gul'dan being a Cobra Commander type enemy who hatches a whole bunch of crazy ideas and always manages to slip away when they collapse around him.

>>46102098
That would be fun to see.

>>46101786
Since Warcraft 3 has Blizzard been writing everything in the Warcraft-franchise as ambiguous, with no faction really being the D&D definition of evil.

However, just like Warhammer that attempts the same but goes full-out on everybody's arsehole-dick level being off the charts so everybody is still in varying shades of greys compared to eachother, so does Warcraft take nearly all of their factions and makes them temporarily misguided or reveals at a later point that an evil faction actually was misunderstood and attempted to fend off an even greater evil.

Up until this point, at least the Burning Legion and Sargeras were considered the ultimate evil, but Warcraft Chronicles actually retconned that, as well, so now Sargeras is trying to prevent an even greater evil from entering reality - By destroying all reality. (Yes, there's a more refined reason behind this, but come on, the consequence of Sargeras' plan will be to exterminate every single planet in the galaxy just to make sure)

So yeah, Blizzard have basically written themselves into a moronic spiral from which there is no escape by making everybody good, so there's valid reason to have the factions antagonise eachother, and pull villains out their arse to create justifiable antagonists that then immediately get subdued.

>>46101984
I think this time it is a voluntary ascension to demonhood. Gul'Dan has always been attempting to become more powerful until he would reach some level of godhood, being mutated to the point of being indistinguishable from a demon is probably an inconvenience he's willing to take on his road.

>>46102094
Are we done blaming Kosak now? Somebody a few threads back made a fairly good point that Metz-boy is actually so high up in the management that he's all but removed from writing lore, himself, and basically just nods off the stuff that is presented to him, while Kosak is one of the major authors now.

Sure, it doesn't take all of the blame and shame away, but it also puts the poor sod in a new perspective.

>>46101984
Gul'dan was kicked out of the Shadowmoon Clan(by Ner'zhul) before he went all in on the demon thing. He was already a greedy, self-serving asshole by the time he discovered the Legion and swore himself to Kil'Jaeden for even more power.
So I would put Gul'dan as a genuinely evil mortal who found a source of power to use in pursuit of his own gains.

>>46102342
Speaking of Gul'Dan, does anyone remember that old quest for Night Elves in Auberdine before Cata where you find a big ass red crystal that was turning Moonkin crazy?

Needed to try purfying it with Moonwell water and all you could see inside was like the lower portion of a jaw bone. Did they ever do anything with it or what? I remember doing that quest and being really excited to figure out what the hell it was in the first place.

>>46102409
Probably one of the many storylines Blizzard has completely forgotten about by now.

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>>46102342
Just you wait until it is revealed that Gul'Dan actually had had a vision from a creature from a far-away planet, coloured in red and black, created to be the ultimate lifeform by its masters but ultimately spinning out of control and going on a cosmical rampage in order to never again be shackled by any tyrant. He is now on a global and selfless quest to become powerful enough to defeat this evil creature, and is even willing to be declared the vilest of criminals by his peers just to stop Shadow the Hedgehog.

>>46102224
>Up until this point, at least the Burning Legion and Sargeras were considered the ultimate evil, but Warcraft Chronicles actually retconned that, as well, so now Sargeras is trying to prevent an even greater evil from entering reality - By destroying all reality. (Yes, there's a more refined reason behind this, but come on, the consequence of Sargeras' plan will be to exterminate every single planet in the galaxy just to make sure)
Eh, it doesn't really change much. The means are still evil as shit. Just because he has good intentions doesn't mean we wouldn't be totally justified in beating him until he becomes another loot pinata.

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>>46102483
The most sickening thing about that is that Blizzard just would do something that stupid.

>>46102224
>Make everyone good

It's truly moronic. I would understand if everyone was grey, but seriously how high they were with this stuff?

>>46102299
Seriously and people are buying this.

Was Blizzard's biggest mistake making the orcs become unwitting slaves to the Burning Legion? I feel like Metzen's dick-riding of Thrall is the center of the destruction of everything that made Warcraft notable as a franchise. That and fucking Med'an being mongrel god.

>>46102532
Yes, he's really a dick about it and his methods are absolutely atrocious and in some regard even absurd as fuck.

Yet because Blizzard decided to give him officially a "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS IS REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT" reason, they are in a position where they can declare him as a tragical antihero at their leisure. Technically speaking, that is cool, because nobody likes 80's cartoon villains in a setting where you actually witness bloody murder and genocide, but the authorteam seems to completely have missed the fact that first, you should give the tragic antihero-turned-villain some spotlight where the reader/player/consumer has a chance to properly relate to the character, so it feels like tragedy and more like another justification to continue the power creep.

>>46102532
Yeah, some anons act like Blizzard is trying to make Sargeras out to be a hero. Even with the change to his motivations in Chronicle, he's most certainly not a hero. He's absolutely evil. He may have good intentions, but that does not make him good, and that's even assuming that this isn't a solution he came up with during a descent into madness, or that he's being manipulated by the Void Lords be somehow playing into their hands.

>>46102683
No, that was an interesting period. Their biggest mistake was turning WoW's storylines into DBZ-tier power scaling.

>>46102710

Plus there was nothing wrong with the original lore. It had a sort of cosmic scope, that even a god of order can be slowly chipped away, even a titan can fall to despair and madness fighting an eternal war with demons.

>>46102753
Plus Sargeras leading the Burning Legion made Azeroth relevant because Azeroth was the first planet where the Makers "messed-up" and gave their creations free will, and destroying Azeroth gives Sargeras the excuse that he was destined to always be evil instead of falling from grace.

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>>46101954
>that new model
Darkness Incarnate? More like DORKness Incarnate, am I right?

>>46102536
God damnit Jaina looks superslutty in that picture. It's probably the eyeshade, but hot damn.

>>46102671
I think it started in Warcraft 3. It was a different time back then and the popularity of being edgy was running out. Instead they went with the gritty version of "friendship!", which culminated with the mortals working together at Mount Hyjal and proved that everybody actually wants to do good. When WoW came around, they had to maintain that all factions and races were ultimately good, because who wants to play a villain race right?

They probably didn't even have their entire lore or timeline in mind and just decided to pile stuff upon stuff for each expansion, individually, but always maintaining their status quo.

You must admit, Chris being too far removed from actual writing himself is at the very least food for thought.

>>46102683
It's stated in the ending mission of the RoC Orc campaign by Grom that the chieftains accepted the demon's gift. sure they didn't know of the strings attached, but they largely also didn't care: They were suspicious of the Draenei already, those resentiments were simply extended, and at the very least Grom and Blackhand were described as very focused on martial prowess, so they'd pick up on the promise of being even stronker. After Draenor became a shithole, the orcs were simply too deeply in it and jumped to the occasion when they were promised a way out of it.

You could technically say they were unwitting pawns because the Legion, of course, had very sinister ulterior motives, but about all decisions made from the orcs were based on very real and very relatable needs and circumstances.

Their biggest mistake is a.) powercreep, as >>46102712 says, and b.) that their game design came first and then they wrote the lore to justify those design decisions, which I still strongly believe is the fault of autists who couldn't understand how Warcraft 3 units were just a representation and not to be taken at face value.

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>>46101514
She'd probably hate it, because she has a hateboner for the living now. She threatened to pull Forsaken support out of Quel'thalas and let the remaining Scourge massacre everything outside of Silvermoon's walls unless Lor'themar pledged sin'dorei support to aid in Northrend.

She doesn't give a single solitary fuck about her living kin anymore- hell, she was planning on murdering Vareesa and raising her as undead herself.

Sylvanas only cares about Sylvanas at this point, because she's terrified of the big inky blackness of death after she committed suicide at ICC.

Hell, the only reason she wants the Forsaken around is so they can keep her not-dead, and her logic seems to be that if everyone in the world is undead and under her command, she will be safe from getting murdered (again) and thus will live as a frigid corpse for all eternity.

Such as I gathered it, anyway.

>>46103140
It's only a matter of time before she challenges Bolvar for the Lich King's crown.

>>46103140
She's reached a point where she can't be comfortable any more. The Forsaken were a massive force when the events in WoW started because it was right after Arthas fucked shit up in Lordaeron. Over time as the Forsaken's population dropped, she realized that she was going to get fucked up hard because even the orcs, who weren't born on the same planet, outnumbered the Forsaken to the point where the Kor'kron could "safeguard" the Undercity with no loss of manpower in Orgrimmar. Months after that, she loses her drive for existing because Arthas gets killed, and instead of finding peace she finds out that if she dies she's going to Nether anyways because she's damned with the rest of the undead.

Before the ICC raid, she had respect through fear and will to live. Now the rest of the Horde, even the Tauren, have their swords at their throats because she's desperate to "increase population" through the new plague and, like >>46103366 says, she's going to try to become the Jailor of the Damned in a mad bid to try and achieve her atonement.

>>46103129
>They probably didn't even have their entire lore or timeline in mind and just decided to pile stuff upon stuff for each expansion, individually, but always maintaining their status quo.

This, I feel like the had no concrete idea for long term story until MoP (when they started working on Chronicles).

>You must admit, Chris being too far removed from actual writing himself is at the very least food for thought.
this is barely speculation, we've got quotes from him from way back during TBC

>A lot of my story stuff on Warcraft these days is coming from a very high level, conceptualizing zones and characters, especially looking forward to future expansions – expanded content – I'm really keen to get in there and kind of create the broad strokes of things and then it really goes to special teams.

He goes onto note that he has sit downs with the teams to make sure they are on the right track, but the gist of it is that by the end of TBC he was working in more of an oversight capacity, as far as the game was concerned. At this point he's got even more projects to manage, so I would genuinely be surprised if he is doing much more than that these days.
He did however work on Chronicles, as he is listed as co-author along with Matt Burns and Robert Brooks.

Time is money, friend

>>46103577
Good day to you!

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Why the hell is this not a 3-4 person mount. It makes no sense and would be so fucking neat.
Alliance version? Just use that Gilnean Carriage from the Worgen starting Zone that could fit the same amount of people.

>>46103585
King's honor, friend

>>46103613
I'm still surprise there isn't a five-person mount where the four passengers can use ranged weapons, so for once in the Catababbies lives they have a reason to ride to the physical dungeon and can gang up on level 19 fuckers who entered the Contested Zone and wreck shit up.

>>46103585
My, you're a tall one!

>>46103676
You know, I think that vendor short changed me. ...Get it? SHORT changed... Oh, never mind.

>>46103585
ah! I've been expecting you

>>46101954
>>46103090
It looks better in orange. I think the model might imply he absorbed the power of the Avatar of Sargeras.

All the same, I'm surprised there hasn't been more backlash like there was for Xavius's old model. It just looks fucking stupid and makes the character hilarious rather than threatening.

>>46103719
At this point we are used to the abuse.

>>46103400
>she finds out that if she dies she's going to Nether anyways because she's damned with the rest of the undead.
Well, that... is extremely unconfirmed, and it's probably just because of all the atrociously evil things she's done in the name of revenge.

>>46103863
HER perspective is that she's going to the Nether from being undead, because even kid-Arthas ended up in the Nether in her vision when she an-hero'd. She's going to keep abusing the Val'kyr until she discovers the miracle to come back to true life.

>>46103577
>>46103585

HAIL

>>46103976
Well, she's going to be talking to Helya, the First Val'kyr and creator of the Kvaldir, so odds are that she's going to get that mess sorted out in one way or another.

>>46104018
Keep yah feet on the ground

>>46104231
>says the flightmaster as you take off on a gryphon

>>46104231
Wash yer back.

>>46104291
What can I do for you?

SEEEEE YA LATER!

>>46104403
I buy and sell

STRENGTH AND HONOR!

>>46103400
>in a mad bid to try and achieve her atonement.
It would be kind of silly if Sylvanas actually jumped to this option for atonement instead of going through more sensible, less potentially disastrous options like starting a charity.

>>46104605
LITERALLY started the Nazi Zombie Party.

>>46104641
I guess Operation Undead Paperclip is out of the question, then? The gnomish space program could always use undying, unbreathing test pilots, right?

>>46104703
STILL shocked that the Gnomes haven't reverse-engineered the technology behind the Exodar to have space travel. If underground dwarves can build planes, why can't gnomes build spaceships? And why can't goblins have the Russian space program?

>>46104703
So, this then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiW-SIUBLUM

>>46104761
>reverse-engineered the technology behind the Exodar to have space travel
Don't the gnomes have a space center in Outland with rocket launch pads?

>>46104761
>Comrade Chairman Gazlowe, Launch Bay One reportink, all systems operational. Ve are green across ze board.

>Readink you loud ant clear, Launch Bay One. Countink down to Launch...5....4....3....2....1....All thrusters fire! Laika is avay!

And then they shoot a worgen into space.

>>46104916
And then it explodes in a shower of gold, because goblins.

>>46104916
>>46104761
>They're on space
>Floating necropolis dogfighting burning legion forces

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Guys, I just had an batshit insane ideia moments ago.
I imagined the formation of the first human kingdoms, back 1,200 years ago, followed of 200~300 years of science development and rational thinking. Then, they start diving on nationalistic ideals, and the prospect of an united empire is born. However, in the same ground you have Garithos-like politicians and HFY preachers, these ones slowly, but surely, gaining influence and power.
After some localized small conflicts and alliance treatises, the structure for the future empire is finished, but none royal family has a legitimate claim. Then, one radical group, which is backed by disguised Neltharion and his brood, ascends and seize power.
This new empire is largely industrialized, has a HUGE army, and will not stop until it subjugate the world.

I want your ideas on about the geopolitical table of this Azeroth.
Or just your hate, whatever.

P.S: humans still do magic, but the majority of them don't see it as a big deal.

>>46105960
So basically the entire plot of vanilla WoW but Stormwind has dwarven technology and elven magic and Neltharion is playing the role of Prestor?

>>46105960
Hell, that storyline could realistically happen if the elves had refused to teach the humans magic and the humans had to turn to the Dwarves and gnomes when the Amani attacked. Sure, the High Elves would of probably been wiped out but it'd probably lead to an incredibly industrious human kingdom based on invention and technology rather than magic.

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>>46106015
No, humans are more like Vinci empire.

>>46106080
God I loved that game, it's a shame so much content was cut, and that we never got a sequel.

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You guys DO visit Scrolls of Lore, right...?

Red Shirt Guy spoiled a shit load about the Illidan novel.

Illidan and his forced successfully destroyed Nathreza during BC, the dreadlord home world. They were about to invade Argus and do the same but we fucked it up. Demon Hunters going to Mardum was a last ditch plan.

Illidan was fucked up beyond comprehension somehow before we fought him so we only fought a weak Illidan. Also, Illidan had nothing to do with the Shattrath attack.

Also, Akama is a faggot and Illidan intended to give back Black Temple to him but Akama betrayed him. Also, Illidan apparently does 2 really heinous things in the book to complete his goals.

Kael'thas went dark and didn't contact Illidan immediately after he settled into Netherstorm.

Illidan is over Tyrande.

Maiev considered slaughtering the BT raid party for "taking her kill" even though she finished off Illidan. Bitch is mad.

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>>46105960
>>46106080
>tfw heavy artillery and gas-masked soldiers in Eversong Woods

>>46106369
>Also, Illidan had nothing to do with the Shattrath attack.
didn't we already know this. Or at least highly suspect it. I always thought it was Kael who false flagged it to ensure that the alliance/horde/Naaru factions all spent their energies on dealing with Illidan rather than him. it backed fired a little when we stabbed him tempest keep, but that was merely a set back compared to getting Illidan put down.

>>46106369
See, all this would have been good to know beforehand. Now it just reads like another shitty retcon.

>>46106369
>Illidan is over Tyrande.
He says that, but... he spent 10,000 years contemplating how he'd murder everyone involved for his imprisonment, but her showing up was nearly enough to make him cry tears of joy from his charred eye sockets.

>>46106646
>didn't we already know this. Or at least highly suspect it. I always thought it was Kael who false flagged it to ensure that the alliance/horde/Naaru factions all spent their energies on dealing with Illidan rather than him.
Yes and yes.
He basically revealed it as a fact after he did the illusory gloating thing in front of A'dal, going, "AHAHA, you think I'd entrust the future to some blind, half-night-elf mongrel?!"

Illidan has been given a raw deal, but he's a pretty shitty person so I don't feel too broken up about it.

>>46106738
>>46106369
>Akama is a faggot

Addendum: Illidan was not forthcoming with his plans because hey, he didn't trust Akama as far as he could throw him. (Which is actually probably pretty far, forget I used that.)

As such, Akama didn't trust Illidan as far as he could throw HIM, which is a considerably smaller distance. Illidan did legit start going bonkers from crazy paranoia after Kael fell off the grid and he replayed his defeat by Arthas over and over in his head. As a result, he figured Akama, the newest member of his band of merry men, was liable to betray him much like Kael'thas likely did, so... he kinda pulled some of his soul out and bound it to his will so he had leverage.

That's when Akama decided to up-end things with the players' and Maiev's help.

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Let's say Legion is over, and Illidan is still alive. He can't go back to the Black Temple but won't join Horde or Alliance, so he creates a third faction to rival them.

Where do you guys Illidan would build his capital?

Felwood? Southern Kalimdor? Blackrock Mountain?

>>46106369
SoL is based.

their legion discussion page has the best tags.

>illidindu nuffinrage
>illidan cuckrage
>warlords of shitposting
>all this salt

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>>46106837

Uh... Or he could use the demonic star destroyer that his Illidari stole from Mardum.

>>46106837
Suramar

>>46106909

>Illidan uses his magic and rips Suramar off the ground and uses it like Dalaran 2.0

absolutely based tbqh

>>46106907

it's small as shit

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>>46104761
>the Night Elves provide surprisingly large support to the Gnomish space program
>so that they can get closer to their god (and prevent Goblins from mining their deity)

>>46105960
>>46106080
Sounds kinda like Divinity: Dragon Commander.

I like it.

>>46106369
Geeze. They went overboard with "Illidan dindu nuthin' ". He is completely and totally innocent of everything and we're the assholes. They could've at least said that Burning Crusade was a period of insanity where he had trouble with reason due to Gul'dan's skull.

That book makes him completely flawless, which frustrates me; and this is coming as someone who actually likes Illidan.

>>46107240
>Sounds kinda like Divinity: Dragon Commander.
If only they hadn't cut out so much of their plans. It sounds like the full game would have been amazing.

>>46107695
Wait until you find out the truth about Broxigar.

>>46107695
>reading Warcraft novels
>ever
Warcraft's core lore is bad enough. The side lore from novels is just a horrid mess of mary sues and ass pulls.

>>46107729
How long until the new Void Gods are really good guys, too?

>>46107784
Did you know that the Old Gods are ALSO good guys because if they die, Azeroth dies with them?

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Is Alexstrasza an evil, unforgiving sex-fiend?
Everything she does just seems like the absolute opposite of what a guardian of life should do.
>Crazy old man goes rogue and declares war on Dalaran.
>"My brother is irredeemable, he must be put down."
>Daughter is kidnapped and raped by said crazy old man.
>"She is irredeemable, she must be put down."
>Bolvar gets eaten alive by plague goo
>"I shall revive him as a flaming paraplegic"
>Lord of Undeath exposes himself during a crucial battle.
>"I shall take my time to plant flowers and look pretty as he kills more people and hides again."
>Evil flaming brother destroys Azeroth
>I shall do nothing, let him start doomsday cults and raise an army, then I shall fight him once in single combat."

>>46107695
>He is completely and totally innocent of everything
HE.
ALWAYS.
WAS.

>>46107895
>"I shall revive him as a flaming paraplegic"
>yfw in legion bolvar executes her and shitvanas

>>46107895
Well what do you expect after the Dragonmaw mindbroke her with there fat green cocks and addictive orc jizz?

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>>46107895
The best part about her is her human form. Really shows how much of a cockwhore she is.

>>46107982
You can't tell me that Deathwing isn't about to cop a feel in that picture.

>>46108049
DW always came across the angry fag kind of person.

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>>46108049
Real adventurers have felt up the Life-Binder.

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so if men and dwarves and whatnot are titan creations. what about all the other races? where did the trolls come from? orks? space goats?

>>46108085
part of the reason Deathwing turned evil was because N'zoth promised him he could take Alexstarsza and Ysera as sex slaves

>>46108130
That makes him more of a faggot desu

>>46108130
Pretty shitty promise,
Ysera is always sleeping, so she won't notice.
Alex was already his sex slave before.

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>>46108121
Specifically speaking, the trolls are one of the first races to biologically appear on Azeroth. Their contact with the Moonwell created the night elves. Orcs are native to Draenor and naturally evolved. Draenei are native to Argus as Eredar, but their evolution is based on whether or not they have contact with the Naaru.

>>46108255
so are trolls the result of natural evolution too?

eredar existed before contacting either demons or naaru so they are naturally evolved too?

>>46108330
Yes and yes.

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>>46108255
>>46108121
if men are already the master race imagine what would happen if they started drinking moonwell water

>>46106837
>Implying Illidan won't take over Dire Maul.

>>46108813
It'd be better than letting the Ogres have it and would make sense since that was also the place Warlocks went to get their epic mounts.
Back when "epic mount" actually meant something.

>>46104835
In Area 52, if I recall right. One quest has you help make rocket fuel.

>>46107895
>Crazy old man goes rogue and declares war on Dalaran.
You can't reason with crazy.
>Daughter is kidnapped and raped by said crazy old man.
Said daughter literally begs you to kill her once the mind control starts to crack.
>"I shall revive him as a flaming paraplegic"
I'm still not sure how that even worked, honestly.
>Lord of Undeath exposes himself during a crucial battle.
Lot of undead, only so much time. Also, y'know, have to make some allowances so the players can have a raid boss.
>Evil flaming brother destroys Azeroth
Works with the other dragon flights to come up with a plan to take Deathwing down for good. And actually tried to fight Deathwing first instead of just telling 10~25 guys to do it for her, so give her some credit there.

>>46109888
>>"I shall revive him as a flaming paraplegic"
>I'm still not sure how that even worked, honestly.
Actually, the LK raised him- he was dead as hell, but his body was purified by Alexstrasza's fire, which likely aided his will in resisting the Lich King's dominance/soul torture.

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So is Bolvar rumored to make some reapperance or something? I've been seeing his name come up a lot in these threads. Also intrested in a certain majordomo

>>46109901
So the Lich King picked up Bolvar's smouldering corpse and raised him as a barely movable chunk of charcoal just to mock him? Arthas is an even bigger dick than I thought.

>>46109932
Yeah, Bolvar's made an alliance of sorts with the Knights of the Ebon Blade and will be a part of the Death Knight storyline in Legion.

>>46109932
I hope they do more with Kel'Thuzard. He's been criminally underused as an antagonist character

>>46109982
As much as I hated "There must always be a Lich King" I like that Bolvar and the DKs are getting involved.

>>46109982
Oo, exciting possibly. Why he didn't reach out during the cataclysm I'll never understand.

I'm more irritated Kel'Thuzad never did anything during Cata. I was always under the impression he like regained a measure of his will back when the forsaken split off, but choose to stick with the scourge. Hes the head of the cult of the damned, whoes territory definatly includes northrend. You think he'd take an intrest to the freaking dragon cult and dragon literally hanging out behind his giant flying fort. Don't even get me started on mists scholomance

>>46110053
>Why he didn't reach out during the cataclysm I'll never understand.
I'd chalk that up to Cata coming right after he assumed the role, and he needed some time to get a feel for it and ensure he has control.

Sending the Scourge out to fight Deathwing would be a great way to thin down the number of undead, but if he lost control of them and they went on a rampage while there was bigger shit going down? Would just make the situation even worse.

Total headcanon, of course, but I think it fits.

>>46110036
I just love his voice, so any excuse for them to make up for him to have diolouge is ok in my book. Hearthstone was like my christmas

>>46110053
>I was always under the impression he like regained a measure of his will back when the forsaken split off
definitely this. It always felt like he had free will, but retained a personal loyalty to the Lich King and Arthas

>tfw KT pulls a big damn hero moment driving off Sylvanas.
such a bro

>>46110113
He really is like, the best of bros.


Slightly related, who is he banging to make Lil'KTs? Deathwisper? That other lady lich? Both? Is he too busy having sex and playing hearthstone?

>>46102683
>Was Blizzard's biggest mistake making the orcs become unwitting slaves to the Burning Legion?
I think otherwise, because through Lord of the Clans up until WarCraft III ended and WoW began it was STILL very clear that everything the orcs did was 100% their own fault; they may have been misled about the side effects of drinking demons blood but nobody MADE them drink that shit and even when on the stuff you still had free will, like any drug addict does.

Thrall's original plan is basically "okay, so we've done too much awful shit as a species to ever really get along with the humans and they're not going to forgive us, let's go find somewhere ELSE to live", hence him Moses-ing the New Horde to Kalimdor, away from the humans and hopefully finding a place for themselves where they can make a life for this culture they were re-discovering after their effective racial recovery from drug addiction and withdrawal.
>>46103129
>You could technically say they were unwitting pawns because the Legion, of course, had very sinister ulterior motives, but about all decisions made from the orcs were based on very real and very relatable needs and circumstances.
Exactly.
It's not that the orcs were "DIDN DU NUFFIN" like some people suggest on here (though later on as the fluff got increasingly lax this became the case sometimes), but rather "man, we fucked up really bad, we have to just leave and start over somewhere else".

>>46110053
>I was always under the impression he like regained a measure of his will back when the forsaken split off, but choose to stick with the scourge.

According to his old backstory, when he was alive and still had free will he WILLINGLY joined up with the Scourge, so really him continuing to work for the Lich King and with Arthas is totally in character for him.
>>46110113
>but retained a personal loyalty to the Lich King and Arthas
Honestly kinda impressive that his loyalty was strong enough that a cold-hearted bastard like Arthas after his deathknight shit happened called him a friend and genuinely seemed to mean it.
Though Arthas seemed a bit surprised and kinda had to force himself to admit that Kel'Thuzad was genuinely his friend and not just his servile minion.

Hydraxian Water lords WHEN?!
Flamewaker npc faction when?!

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>>46110278
Bro Kel is best Kel

>>46100698
>Warcraft
> lore

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>>46110313
Why did Sylvanas decide to leave behind such a great relationship? She could've been joined Arthas, Kel'thuzad, and Anub'arak as BFFs.

>>46110374
She wants to be the Lich Queen.

>>46110374
Because she was painfully murdered and brought back as an undead abomination against her will after her entire unit she led had been killed and then her entire nation that she had fought so hard for and died for was completely destroyed and she forced to participate in it's destruction.
Arthas hated her fucking guts and wanted her to suffer after all the trouble she caused him.

Meanwhile Kel'thuzad had joined the Scourge out of his own free will as a mortal and knew AHEAD of time he was going to die and was already 100% okay with it and Anub'arak peacefully surrendered himself and his people.
The circumstantial differences between them are pretty different.

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>>46110422
That was all just a hazing ritual.

She failed.

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>>46110422
Arthas didn't abuse her enough.

>>46110441
"Hazing" presumes someone wants to join the group. She didn't.
>>46110449
He had shit to do.
Arthas was kinda on the clock during the Scourge campaign, running around prepping for the Burning Legion's arrival while at the same time setting shit up with Kel'Thuzad so the Lich King could screw the Legion and go independent.

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>>46110483
>"Hazing" presumes someone wants to join the group. She didn't.
Oh, please, I'm sure she was just dying to join them.

>>46110483
So you're saying it's wrong if I "haze" a girl into the Mile High Club?

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How long until we wrap up fucking Neptulon and Ozumat?

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Still salty

>>46110205
No banging involved. Where do you think all the orphans go?

>>46110483
Ugh. That just reminded me of the retarded One Legion retcon where none of the demons ever actually died. It makes the entirety of Reign feel incredibly pointless.

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>>46110621
Thrall should have given her the big green D when he had the chance.
Now she's riding magical aspect cock and plotting to kill all orcs.

>>46110088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKOUFR2Tgpc

His snark is amazing.

>>46110760
Sounds like they got Micheal McConnohie back as Kel's HearthStone voice.
I like it.

>>46110738
That....yeah, that's kinda stupid.
If that was the case the Burning Legion would never really loose
>>46110760
A lot of the Scourge characters in WoWIII were pretty snarky.
Arthas in particular seemed to have developed something of a very dry and understated sense of humor after he died.

>Ulther Lightbringer: "Damn you Arthas! The kingdom it took your father decades to build you've ground to dust in a matter of DAYS!"
>Arthas, in a tired and bored-sounding voice: "Very....dramatic, Ulther, but spare me the cliches."

>>46110524
it got wraped off -screen.
Neptulon got Ozumat off his head and Ozumat is now his pet.

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>>46110821

>>46110760
>Valeera Sanguinar
Kind of weird that she's basically elven jailbait and looks like she's 25 years old physically.

>>46110760
Jesus, he's got to be the best shit-talking undead guy ever.

>>46110760
Imagine Kel'Thuzad vs Ragnaros.

>>46110866
>You asked for it.
>I most certainly did NOT. You barged into MY floating necropolis!

>Watch your back.
>Ok. I. Will.

>Victory or death!
>Really? Death it is then.

>For Doomhammer!
>You're fighting for a hammer? Ok then.

>I must protect the wild.
>The wild? Then what are you doing in Naxxramus?

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This is a dragon (both/other)

>>46110374
Anub'arak didn't actually like Arthas, the Lich King was just controlling him enough to force a cordial attitude out of him

>>46110866
Michael McConnohie is one of the best VA's in the business and I heavily appreciate Blizzard's obsession with him

>>46111882
nah, thats just a wotlk addition.

>>46108121
The trolls were made by life evolving around the Well of Eternity. Then they spread out, and once they returned, they turned night elf. So night elf are actually double Well creatures...

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>tfw trolls devolve into elves
All i want from Legion is more troll lore but that probably won't happen

>>46111986
Did the NElves discovered that they were once Trolls?

If not, what would be their reaction and that of their allies?

>>46111905
He seemed like that in Frozen Throne as well. "Agreed implies I had a choise" and all that. Though he and the Nerubians seems to have come to terms with losing to the Scourge and becoming servans of the Lich King, unlike Sylvanas.

>>46112195
I honestly dont know. It just says so, very shortly in the Chronicle book that trolls evolved naturally from the lands around the Well. Nobody knows it, most likely.

>>46112267
I remember there being a book in booty bay, at least back in the vanilla-WotLK version of BB, that actually talked about the topic so even if there's no proof I think some people have hypothesized.

I seem to recall the general Night Elf opinion basically being "Ew, no." while the trolls, if they cared at all, thought the whole thing was kind of funny.

the Twilight's Hammer did literally nothing wrong

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>>46112592
Twilight's Hammer is litterally the worse cult

>>46112678
more like the second best cult after the Cult of the Damned

>Trolls mutate into Night Elves
>Night Elves mutate into Manlet Elves, Goat Elves, Bird Elves, Crack Elves, Super Crack Elves, and ayy lmao Super Crack Elves

"Night Elves were a mistake."
--Elune

>>46112806
you forgot the snake elves

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>>46112763
> tfw no dragon cult to worship dragon girls

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>>46112900
Wasn't that the explanation for all those dragonkin who aren't true dragons? You know, like general Drakkisath?

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>>46112936
evolved from humans who dedicated their lives to servitude under the great dragons

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>>46113013
Sounds culty enough for me.

>>46112900
>tfw we'll never find out what was the deal with the Wyrmcult other than "they're mean to trees, go kill them kthxbai"

>the Blackrock Clan is named after an ore native to Draenor
>when they got to Azeroth they conveniently found a mountain made out of black rocks (not blackrock) to call home, and named it after themselves
fucking Blizzard

>>46113013

That is pretty sweet desu

>>46113204
It's honestly a pretty good reason for why they decided to make that their base in Azeroth

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>>46113204
Post best dragon aspect!

>>46113204
Hey, if you're willing to live inside the magical disaster area that is the Burning Steppes, then you can call pretty much anything blackrock. Ragnaros fucked that place up something fierce ; I wouldn't be surprised if all the rock was blackened from it.

>>46113204
>The Blackrock clan harnessed fire elementals to smelt their ore.
>They move to a volcano where the Dark Irons harness fire elementals to smelt their ore.

Thoughts on Nobble87?

>>46113264
Not that far-fetched. Fire elementals probably infest most Warcraft volcanoes.

>>46110760

Most of these make him sound like a snotty nerd humor type. I have seen better sarcasm in my time.

>>46110226
>okay, so we've done too much awful shit as a species to ever really get along with the humans and they're not going to forgive us, let's go find somewhere ELSE to live", hence him Moses-ing the New Horde to Kalimdor
and then they slaughter a bunch of night elves, kill their nature god and cut down huge portions of their forest
god orcs are fucking garbage.

>>46113428
>and then they slaughter a bunch of night elves, kill their nature god and cut down huge portions of their forest
>tfw you realize that 90% of the conflict post-Horde exodus was caused by Thrall's creepy crush on Grom

>>46110738

Archimonde, etc all are still canon dead. They die if killed by significant forces, on the Twisting Nether or their homeworld apparently???

>>46113468
It's honestly an interesting character flaw of Thrall's.

The problem is that I'm not entirely sure that the writers realise it's an interesting character flaw of Thrall's, or if they even realise it's a flaw at all

>>46113285
2dutch4me

>>46112367
i saw on nostalrius the other day in AV, there's a quest to kill troll players on the alliance side. the quest text is basically "trolls think night elves evolved from them. how blasphemous, kill all trolls you see"
i don't know if that's original quest-text or not, but if it is, that was way back in vanilla also. i think it's always been a thing that's been implied since WoW started but not addressed except for tidbits by brann bronzebeard

>>46113468
>Thrall grows up as a slave
>Has only Aedelas Blackmoore are fatherfigure, who constantly abuses him and is a volatile drunkard
>Develops massive daddy issues both by being an orphan, unsure of his parents' history, and being in the custody of a person who ultimately resents him
>Escapes, joins up with Grom, who is basically the only remaining Orc who comes even close to matching the descriptions of the Second War
>Develops a father complex, because of which he always forgives Grom for shit that any other orc would've gotten brained
>Ends up with Grom conveniently dying himself out of the consequences and having to fix the unfixable mess Hellscream senior left behind

>>46113285
He's cool enough, I suppose, but his accent makes my toe-nails curl (and I actually love the Dutch language, mind you) and his narration style is cheesy, but not cheesy enough to be entertaining. It's highschool entry levels of cheese.

>>46113468

>thrall has a huge boner on the honor and rituals of TROOOO orcs and worships grom
>it turns out all that honor was instilled in him by the human sergeant training him and tabetha
>orcs were just vicious, warmongering assholes the whole time and the whole "peaceful, shamanistic" thing is a sham
>thrall is just a weird orc-human hybrid

the behavior of garrosh and all the dindus in WoD confirms this, they needed no demonic blood to chimp out and genocide

>>46113626
You are forgetting Eitrigg and Drek'Thar

Who >Wyrmrest Accord

And do you play on Alliance?

>>46113664

Eitrigg had a human bff too.

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>>46113665
I used to. Debating whether or not to reactivate and buy Legion.

>>46113626
>>thrall has a huge boner on the honor and rituals of TROOOO orcs and worships grom
>the only honourable orcs were the Frostwolves and random singular Blackrocks that were friends with Frostwolves, like Orgrim
>glom onto Grom because he's the daddy he never had
>let the Warsongs do whatever they want because Grom fixed the mistake he made twice because he's a retarded dindu
>put Grom's son in charge of the Horde because muh honour
>he's an even bigger dindu
thanks a lot Green Moses

>>46113735

I resubbed with a friend, our guild is dead, mostly looking for others to RP with while we do end game content we skipped out on until now. Still haven't seen High Maul..

>>46113741

I always got the feeling he had more of a mentor relationship with Doomhammer.

>>46113783
>Highmaul
Just LFR it, yo. Unfortunately, both Highmaul and Hellfire are pretty underwhelming visually and mechanically. I found Naxxrammas to be way more fun. Most of the WoD endgame gear looks pretty lame, too.

>>46113825

>they retconned the ogres from tribal brutes into roman empire

Highmaul would have been okay as a fun side romp instead of turned into a semi-tier.

>>46110663
I prefer my version, but that is also amazing

>>46110866
>'Cha. I'm Kel'Tu-freaking-zad

It matches the level of maturity I always envisioned

>>46113665
My mains are on WRA. Both ally and horde. Haven't played in like a year though

>>46109975
Torture him into DKhood.
You revive (normally) fully able to move (bolvar is), dragonfire made him look burned and smoldering in general.

The reason bolvar doesn't move it's because it's one PALADIN trying to control the damned vs ner'zhul(shaman, necromancer)+arthas(paladin, death knight, fratricide)

>>46109982
Nigga.
He didn't "made an alliance of sorts" he just went "K guys you're scourge again, be my police"

>>46112199
Didn't they use to serve old gods?
I'd say scourge is nearly an improvement

>>46113968
Is arthas still in there? I mean it makes sense that Ner'zhul is because he's bound to the armor and didn't have a body to begin with; but I don't think there was anything to suggest that Arthas went through a similar process of binding his soul to the role.

>>46114044
Ner'zhul isn't in there anymore. His soul is killed by Arthas at the end of the book.

>>46114044
Nope, they're both gone. Some echos remain in the shards of frostmourne, but that's it.

>>46114061
>>46114069
Huh. Here I thought the major downside of the phenomenal necromantic power is that you had to share headspace with an angry old orc who wanted to take over your body.

If you actually just get control of the Scourge without having to fight the old LK over it, it kind of makes me wonder how it would go down if somebody else put the helm on instead.

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What happened to Zul'Jin's severed hand?
Can we re-build him? Do we have the technology?

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>>46114115
He sliced it off to escape the elves but as he had pissed off the Loas, they stole his regeneration ability hence he couldn't simply regen it back again. The hand itself is probably rotten to hell

>>46110821
I think my favorite Arthas line us when someone says something like
>I hope there's a special place in hell for you after what you've done
And Arthas replies
>We may never know... I intend to live forever.

His VA was great, I love the palpable change between human Arthas and undead Arthas. A lot of the WC3 VAs were great, actually.

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>>46114199
>The hand itself is probably rotten to hell
Or is it?
Jokes on you, it'll be the end boss villain of the next obligatory troll raid.

>>46114249
No more troll raids after cucks cried about them in wotlk.
Reminder that's why we got toc instead of zul raid

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>>46114295
>No more troll raids after cucks cried about them in wotlk.
Ahem.

>>46114322
We'll get a big patch with Zandalari (possibly a raid) and Vol'jin making a return, doing badass stuff and being back as a warchief.

>>46114322
>Shit-tier rehashes

THanks for the trigger famalad

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All i can wish for is Vol'jin isn't actually dead and comes back with a bunch of friends and troll the hell out of sylvanas because why not

>Disgusting Troll "warchief"
>Disgusting dead bitch elf "warchief"

Garrosh was right. Remove this filth from the Horde

>>46114452
I SPIT ON YA HO'DE

>>46114115
There are quests that suggest another tribe of Amani stole his hand back from the elves and ate it to gain his power over the loa and started to worship him as one with the loa.
If they wanted to they could use that to say he has taken on the mantle of loa himself and can return at any time.

>>46114545
What quest would that be? Legitametly curious now

>>46114497
WE AMANI WERE HERE BEFORE ANYONE

>>46114618
And then you got nuked back into the stone age.
Except you never left the stone age, so there wasn't much of a change.

>>46114582
I think it was around zul aman in the ghost lands when you go through the belf starting zone.

>>46114646
I H8 YOU.

>>46110758
Kalec and platinum Jaina are shit

>>46114452
>Orc Warchief
>All is good
>Troll Warchief
>Trolls are still k-kinda savage, r-right?
>Bitch Warchief
>For the Horde ;_;

Tell me the slippery slope isn't real.
Gnome Warchief 2k17

>>46110312
Duke Hydraxis assists the shaman players in Legion on Neptulon's behalf.

>>46114933
The end of the world will be when a Blood Elf Warchief appears.

Screencap this, for this will be the day when all suspension of disbelief will be thrown out of the window because that will be too much.

>>46114243
That's between him and Uther

Uther the Lightbringer: I dearly hope that there's a special place in hell waiting for you, Arthas.
Arthas: We may never know, Uther. I intend to live forever.

and good riddance.

>>46115019
Lor'themar was clearly the best choice for Warchief after SoO though.

>>46115019
>Themar becomes warchief
>"Yeah, we're evicting the undead to the scourge since they're good again and sylvanas is kinda of a bitch, then we're going with the alliance because honestly fighting has gotten not only stale but also retarded as fuck, legion someone? And deporting all orcs back to alternate draenor. No idea where to place the draenei."

>>46115060
>No idea where to place the draenei

The ovens.

>>46115052
>>46115060
Lor'themar doesn't like politics and stuff like that.

Him being in any place of authority (read: faction leader or someone that doesn't do too much fighting) would be a death sentence for him.

He loves fighting.

>>46115126
Those who desire power are those who should wield it least.
Lor'themar is the hero the Horde needs.

>>46115032
"traitor king!"
>who me?

>>46115060
>No idea where to place the draenei.

BUILD ROAD

>>46115165
so fucking smug

>>46115060
>No idea where to place the draenei.
Fix their space ship, send them away. Leave a few females for my personal harem. That's all I want.

I still think it would've been better if Thrall had made the tough choice and NOT put Garrosh in charge.

Let the civil war happen. We get a new villain group with the 'true' horde oldguard breaking away and holding Garrosh up as a figure head / meat head. And we still have the not fucking retarded Horde who would really rather not have the entire world hate them.

They could even still blow up Theramore if they wanted. Hell, have Garrosh's Horde TAKE OVER Theramore for a while and drive Jaina out. Really set it up as ambitious and too aggressive to ignore, but still have to postpone major military action against them because Deathwing's shit is literally world shattering.

Garrosh's Horde gets to dig in their heels and simmer for a while. Hell, maybe they invade Pandaria because they're desperate for more territory (and getting their murder fix), instead of "because it's there!" Works well if they're holed up in Theramore, because they wouldn't have the space or food supply for a sizable force.

>>46115192
Despite having no soul, what a guy.

>>46115253
he had the best soul of them all. A true hero

>>46115328
When no soul remains, dry wit and pride will drive a man to crazy things.

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How viable would be a vanilla era campaign be where the players lead a guild of 40ish morons in a war against Blackrock and Ragnaros?

>>46115235
>I still think it would've been better if Thrall had made the tough choice and NOT put Garrosh in charge.
Even Garrosh said he wasn't ready to lead the Horde (he was a military leader, not a political one), but Trall put him in charge anyway because he's a Hellscream and that means he can do no wrong, right?

Once again Thrall's weird mancrush on Grom ruins the day.

>>46115394
Well, concerning Blackrock Depths, it's said between various NPCs that agents from New Kargath, Morgan's Vigil and/or infiltrators sent by King Magni Bronzebeard infiltrated Shadowforge and assassinated Thaurissan. Rather than have people hack their way through the city, you could make it an infiltration mission.

>>46115434
The entire issue was that the old guard practically worshiped Grom and THEY wanted Garrosh in charge, and were willing to go to war.

Making Garrosh warchief, with the other leaders as advisors, was the best compromise, but also the one no one wanted.

Thrall tried being smart and diplomatic about it. He just botched the roll.

>>46115394
Depends how you rangled them handling 40 people.
Are they only one party?
Are they each the leader of one of the parties?

>>46115484
>The entire issue was that the old guard practically worshiped Grom and THEY wanted Garrosh in charge,
which old guard?
Saurfang, Vol'jin and Cairne all thought he was a hotheaded retard

>>46115362
he literally gave up his soul to kill mal'ganis. The guy died so that his people might live.

>>46115484
>The entire issue was that the old guard practically worshiped Grom and THEY wanted Garrosh in charge

Garrosh was actually popular with the young hordies though. Those who weren't cucked by demons and still proud to be horde.

>>46115522
That may be romanticising it a little. His short-sighted pride and hungry for glory led him to Northrend where he found a sweet sword that could slay Mal'Ganis but also might do something else, let's kill Mal'Ganis!

>>46115507
The older orcs that still had a hard on for war.

Thrall's biggest flaw was that he kept trying to play peace maker in a situation that couldn't end in peace. There was a faction of orcs that wanted to go
>ORC STRONG! CRUSH EVERYBODY!
and he kept trying diplomacy instead of bashing a few heads, pulling the remaining ones out of asses and telling everyone to knock that shit off.

So I'm replaying WC3 at this current moment, and man is Tyrande a huge bitch. In the opening to to the first NE mission, she sends an owl to see what's going on in the forest, and it runs into Duke Lionheart's camp WHERE THE HUMANS AND ORCS ARE TALKING ABOUT HUNTING DEMONS, and despite witnessing this through the owl, her first priority is still to wipe the base out. I mean, unless she gets video but no audio through her magical owl scout, that's so boneheaded it's unbelievable.

>>46115554
Let me put it this way for you anon.
>SAURFANG SENIOR SAY NO.
This means the "old" guard basically does a do-do on their nappies and goes to bed.

>>46115606
See, Saurfang backhanding the idiots from Orgrimmar to the barrens would have actually solved the problem.

>>46115565
Pretty much all of the Elves except Kael'Thas are blinding retards. KT is just a bit thick and Illidan a bit short-sighted. Malfurion is a spirit level on a seesaw in a tornado, Maieve is a tin-can on the back of a wedding car trying to kill the bride and groom and Tyrande is a cupboard door that won't close and keeps inviting children in to drink bleach and drain cleaner. Fuck I hate the night elves so much.

>>46115495
That's one of the many issues that needs working out.

Each PC being in charge of one party might work best. Probably with a stripped down stat block compared to a full PC? Would probably depend on the system used for it.

>>46115565
well they started the job by killing fucking cenarius and chopping up the forest.

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>>46115060
>Upon introduction to the Horde, the other races were uncertain of the Blood Elves, for the orcs had actually been at war with them for more than thirty years, the Trolls were just as suspicious of them for their magical hunger as they were of the Forsaken and their treacherous makeup, though the Tauren, having found another ally close to nature, were gladdened, although they were also worried by their arcana infection.
>While trying to mingle with the rest of the Horde, many Blood Elves were shunned, insulted and even openly attacked.
>Lor'Themar gets pissed and travels to Orgrimmar to have Thrall clear up his people's act
>A femorc and -troll intercept him in the city, unknowing of who he is because Lorry decided to travel alone without official equerry, because he's an idiot like that
>They abduct him, get drunk, and start bullying him, getting absurdly turned on by their domince play
>They get naked and start rubbing against him, testing his limits
>He frees himself of their bonds and ven-bangs them hard, but in doing the troll suddenly develops a taste for "the blue"
>Fast forward to the first confrontantion with Draenei, who're now members of the alliance
>Lor'Themar beholds dem fine spacegoats with their blue butts of justice
>He knows what he must do - Conquer them all with the power of his dick

For the Horde

>>46115554
Really, I think as mentioned by >>46115542 it was mostly the younger Orcs that supported Garrosh. The younger generation grew up hearing tales of martial pride and honour in battle, and decided that having a warchief that would lead them to glorious battle would be a great idea.
Meanwhile Saurfang and the other veterans who actually lived though the 1st and 2nd war remember all the shit that actually went down and weren't really eager to do a repeat of that.
Although the older Orcs of Warsong clan probably followed Garrosh since He's a Hellscream and they never really gotten over their war-hungryness (spending most of the time after founding of Durotar having skirmishes against the Night Elves hardly helped that).

>>46115729
To be fair, Thrall sent a warrior to go avoid the Humans and set up camp in the forest. Grom is dumb as a sack of bricks, Thrall should have sent him along with Cairne to Mulgore to set up shop and hope the wise cow-man's wisdom rubbed off on him a little instead of saying "We need you to go to the woods so I don't have too far to go after I see this oracle"

>>46115784
>That pic

>>46115554
It was the exact opposite.
Survivor of the first 2 war, such as High overlord Saurfang and Thrall's Kor'kron elites, were against war with alliance.
It was the new borns from Nagrand who were feverish in making the war and support Garrosh's position.

The fact many old kor'kron died at Wraithgate and had to be replace with the new kids from Nagrand made the horde even more war-like

This is why its said that Cata was a fuck up, they claim Orcs were peaceful yet every non-corrupted newborn of theirs is a bloodthirst murder machine.

>>46115784
Fuck off underage.

>>46115803
Carine wasn't with them.

Carine only catched up once Thrall made it to Stonetalon peak and thrall had no idea he was coming.

>>46115803
>grom
>wisdom
ayy lmao

>>46115801
>>46115829
Alright, maybe I misremembered. All I'm sure of is that there was a faction that had a hard-on for war and another that was fed up with it. And there was a risk of civil war, which Thrall tried to avoid.

So it's not Thrall's fault his solution didn't work out as intended. And he didn't pick Garrosh because he was fanboying over Grom. He might fanboy over Grom, but that's not the reason for Garrosh being made Warchief.

>>46115848
>Implying wanting to see a blood elf sexually dominate all the hot monsterrace girls makes me underage and not just your regular warcraft perv
>Implying liking spoilered pic makes me underage and not just your regular warcraft perv

You, sir, are an idiot.

>>46115867
I must be misremembering. Thrall arrives at Kalimdor, meets Cairne and they rescue Grom the fuckup from some humans led by Jaina. They travel about the Barrens, being chased by Centaurs and Satyr before reaching the stonetalon peak. Cairne says "Oh you want to speak to this oracle near the edge of Hyjal, but I'm going to Mulgore now where it's grassy and neat" and Thrall says "okay Grom. Grom, look at me Grom. Don't fight the humans Grom, sneak into the forest and set up a camp behind the humans. I'll be back later". Did I get the order completely wrong?


>>46115880
I just think it'd be neat if Thrall didn't constantly have to be the noble paragon of the Orcs and save themselves from their own stupidity and bloodthirst.

>>46100756
Jaina in pants is just... weird.

>>46115960
she was in pants the first time she got introduced.

>>46115666
>Illidan a bit short-sighted

Oh cut on the puns on him.

>>46115729
Dude, Cenarius and the NElves are to blame here. If he simply listened to Grom and told him to stop cutting up Ashenvale, then the demi-god would've lived. Instead he even indirectly caused Grom and the Warsong clan to turn into Fel Orcs out of desperation.

Also the NElves could've not tried to go aggressive on the Warsong clan. I mean they were cutting down trees, whose value they did not know at the time, and then they get attacked by Elves with a different skin pigmentation. Seriously, Grom did not know anything about the NElves and the Taurens did not know that the Orcs would waltz to north Kalimdor.

Also Thrall's orders were to establish a camp, so Grom did as ordered.

>>46115984
I didn't even mean to make that pun, but I stand by it.

>>46115958
Yes you did.
THrall made it to the shore, befriend Carine, and escorted them and their kodos to Mulgore, where Cairne set up shop.
Cairne tells Thrall that the oracle is in stonetalon peak and stayed behind.
Thrall meet up with Grom on the road and Grom disobeyed Thrall's order to ignore the humans.
So Thrall ordered Grom to go lumberjacking and calm his head down while Thrall head to stonetalon.
Then at Stonetalon Thrall was surprised that Carine catched up to help him.

This is the correct order.

>>46115960
>Jaina in pants is best Jaina
fixed

>>46115984
>we dindu nuffin
>just marauded over a large section of the forest even though every shaman and witchdoctor was screaming "no grom no"

>>46116006
Well now I see it was unintentional, but seriously, guy had beautiful eyes back then.

>>46116040
I really don't remember that part with the shamans and shit.

I do remember a Witch Doctor telling Grom NOT TO drink from the well.

>>46116030
Aha, that'd be it.

>>46116040
As I recall, it's just grunts saying "I feel like we're being watched"

>>46116144
>>46116109
and the witchdoctor telling grom
>no mon, these ancient trees be sacred.
then dindu blows up the trees

>>46115829
>This is why its said that Cata was a fuck up, they claim Orcs were peaceful yet every non-corrupted newborn of theirs is a bloodthirst murder machine.
Yeah, between that and WoD lore I'm convinced that the only thing drinking Mannoroth's CoolAid made was turning the Orcs from brown assholes to green assholes, and the whole "we wuz shamans and shit" was just something they came up later to cover their asses and Thrall believed since he wasn't actually around to know how they acted before the war.
At best you have the Forstwolves who were OK and practiced shamanism, but every other clan seems to have been varying degrees of assholes.

>>46116176
Darn, I really need to replay the game...

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>>46116031
What are these random kneepads even attached to? Loose cloth?

>>46116200

Maybe the elemental spirits of the planet they came from were gigantic dicks and warlike too?

>>46116200
Pretty sizable portion of the Shadowmoon GTFO instead of sticking around for war. So that's two tribes that were mostly alright.

And the Laughing Skull may have loved murdering the shit out of things that entered their territory, but they didn't go attacking outside of it.

>>46116176
When abouts is this? I've just been to youtube and this is the first result I found. First level in Ashenvale,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ4MQfa_HT0&list=PLGr99HIJUZkWLMOaJ1xAvUCBOXARnGu4x&index=23
Only talk of hauntings and spirits, no witch doctor.

>>46113981
>The Lich King and the Knights of the Ebon Blade come to an agreement: the death knights will serve as the arm for his vengeance against the Legion, and he will give them powerful weapons to combat the demonic invasion.

If that's an accurate summary, "agreement" would imply that it's mutual.

>>46116228
Straps around the back?

Magic static cling enchantment?

>>46116300
Yes, but it's not an alliance of sorts, it's more like they reunite since the scourge is no longer evil.

>>46115803

Dude, even though >>46115880 is also slightly off, I don't think anything will rub off on Grom anymore. According to some fancalculation, the lad's about in his late fourties/early fifties by the time he comes to fucking Kalimdor. That's already grumpy "I'm too old for this shit" old territory, especially considering that Grom has several traumas to process (like nearly escaping a whole planet asploding) and barely surviving for about ten years in the wilds while being chased by really angry humans.

So, yeah, Grom's not really going to open up just because he met a zen-enlightened bull man high on pipeweed.

>>46116267
the wd says that the tree of life has powerful spirits and shouldnt be harmed
grom kills it and we get convenient lumber.

>>46116258
>Pretty sizable portion of the Shadowmoon GTFO instead of sticking around for war. So that's two tribes that were mostly alright.
Pretty ironic that Shadowmoon is also where we got Gul'dan, a strong contender for the title of the biggest asshole in the Warcraft universe and one of the main reasons Orcs got into the whole mess to begin with.

>>46116109
And then his own grunts are against it until he talks them into it. One of them specifically says "this is against everything Thrall taught us, we can't give in to rage again", and Grom goes "no, we have to rage harder than we've ever raged before".

And to be fair, he's not wrong. Cenarius has divine armor, you really can't fight him effectively until you drink from the pool and get all chaosed up. They could have retreated, but they'd been ordered to build a base.

Of course, if Thrall had known there were elves there he probably would have ordered them to retreat, but that's what poor communications do to an army.

>>46116397
The Elves have already attacked by then though. We basically get two half-erect cocks flailing about impotently when suddenly one becomes fully hard and filled with rage and kills a demigod.

>>46103863

Undeath means you're going to hell no matter your deeds in life. That's why the Naaru had to intervene and take the soul of that one questgiver who Cenarion Circle and Alexstraza fail to save before he could become undead.

>>46116513
that was because he was a blizz dev who died due to cansur

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>>46116480
The best part, of course, is when Cenarius comes back to life in Cataclysm and goes, "Orcs murdered me, yeah- but it's water under the bridge." even after the threat of the Firelands is dealt with, and has no involvement with the orcs attacking Ashenvale, logging the shit out of it, and burning a lot of it to the ground.

Not to mention the son of the guy who killed him proceeding to fuck shit up just about everywhere around Orgrimmar.

There's literally no reason for his non-involvement beyond "we don't want to keep track of so many people at once". I mean, Tyrande showed up to the Siege of Orgrimmar- but where was Malfurion?

>>46116575
I was genuinely expecting Cenarius to show up and start shouting about the impure bloodline of Hellscream. Instead Tyrande shoots some glaives at the door and lets us in. Boo

>>46116575
>Hey, Garrosh!
>You like chopping down my trees!?
>I'm going to shove one up your ass!

>>46116386
Fair point.

I'm happy about that, too. Death Knights just didn't feel right outside of the Scourge, and I do like the Scourge.

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>>46116513
Except no.

There's literally no indication beyond Sylvanas' own personal account of the afterlife to show that this is the case.

As an example to the contrary, there's a quest where you free the trapped souls of Darrowshire soldiers from wandering ghouls in the Eastern Plaguelands. They state their joy at being free of that curse and that they're going to the Light or what-have-you.

It has been stated that being raised as undead does twist one's soul in a regard, but that was used as justification as to why the in-game resurrection spells (which are essentially non-canon otherwise we'd just rez everyone all the time) raise the Forsaken as undead again and not living humans.

However, this "darkening" of the soul does make them more inclined to commit the evil acts that would make them slip into the possibility of being ferreted away to that dark corner of the Shadowlands, because most undead are afflicted with a desire to do evil acts in some form or another. It's why "good" Forsaken are a minority, and many feel numb to things that they would have balked at in life.

>>46116721
>yfw the scourge and DKs go into the nether and some remain as world police of sorts on azeroth

>>46116807
>Scourge/Ebon blade steal a legion ship and become zombie galaxy police.

>>46116431
Agreed with you on that.

>>46116851
>Not just going around on a modified naxxramas
>WoW2 rolls around
>You play as demons vs the scourge

>>46116785
I always thought it was less "desire to do evil acts" and more "reduced positive emotions, enhanced negative emotions"

A lot of forsaken back in vanilla would comment on how little they felt when you did something nice for them, as if they expected to feel happy and thankful.

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>>46116892
>all those recent MMOs with a player character gimmick like "you are a reborn chamption hero" or "you are an angel or demon"
>this is wow 2's PC gimmick

>>46117039
>WoW2 gimmick is that you play the "bad" guys and go full edgetard

>>46117039
I miss the old days when MMOs weren't afraid to tell you that you were a nobody

There are already so many games out there where I can experience being the hero of a fantasy/sci fi world, I want to be a worthless grunt again

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>>46108121
Damn I hate WoD Grom.

Bring back lanky metzen concept grom

>>46116785
Her own account is also written by Dave Kosak.
So yeah....

>>46117109
WCIII Blademaster Grom best Grom.

>>46117034
Deathknights are noted to have a unending need to inflict pain on other creatures.
They simply do it smart and find evil people to inflict pain on.

>>46117171
Death Knights aren't forsaken

>>46117091
Every multiplayer FPS game have you as a worthless grunt.

There's even more of those than MMOs.

>>46117185
We are talking about undeads in general, Forsaken is just a faction of them.

>>46117034
That's a more accurate way of putting it.

In the case of some, it's a very deliberate curse put upon them.

>Aside from their affliction, undead also suffer from an addiction to terrible vices that the Lich King instilled in them in order to produce vile and inhumane monstrosities. Death knights for example, possess an addiction to inflict pain. If death knights do not regularly inflict agony upon another creature, they begin to suffer wracking pains that could drive them into a mindless, blood-seeking hysteria. Zombies and Forsaken have a hungering for living flesh and darkfallen have an addiction to consuming blood. It is assumed that all undead have some sort of tormenting addiction to coincide with their undeath.

>>46117109
To be fair, that's just lanky Metzen concept orcs. Orcs weren't fuckhueg back then, they were just, on average, pretty jacked and violent compared to mankind, not colossal meat-monsters.

>>46117189
Multiplayer FPSs also have next-to-no story, kind of negates the point

>>46117151
Technically, you are right.

But we have to make a stand, I'm getting fucking tired of hunchbacked roidfag orcs.

Orcs are supposed to be hunters, predators - In short, lean green killing machines!

>>46113254
Isn't it her turn to go crazy next?

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>>46117144
And it's still her personal account, because she's an awful person who's done awful things in the name of vengeance, and continues to do awful things with the second chance she's been given. Her soul darkens by her own deeds and she fails to realize that it's not undeath that damned her, but her own hatred.

>>46117238
>Ysera getting the 'C' when?