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Other fun NPC-only races: Quilboar!

>>46049155
http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/46039229/

Previous thread.

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First for best voice.

>>46049239
Best one still alive and not from a canceled game at least.

..Then again Frank Welker WAS in a few roles...

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>>46049270
Who else died beside's Tyrande's voice?

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Who is the best lore character and why is it pic related?

>Was so hyped to see him in WoD
>Ends up getting barely any attention
>Killed off in a shitty 5-man dungeon

>>46049292
The Jamaican sounding voice is her original VA, she was just really out of practice.

And Tony Jay was big King T Menethil, and he's dead.

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>>46049309
Ah yeah, forgot about Tony.
Gotta say, Earl Boen, probably best known as the doctor from Terminator, did a good job picking up the slack in the Wrath cinematic trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCr7y4SLhck

>>46049303
Back in the beta, he was horribly overpowered for a 5-man fight.
Even then, his death speech seemed to imply he'd be back.
Blizz probably had something planned but it was cut because it probably would have required effort.

>>46049217
I rather like almost all of the minor Warcraft races. The only one I can think of that I don't much care for is the Hozen. They're just boring; just monkeys, no quirks about them at all to distinctify them.

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Is Blizzard ever going to do anything with Hakkar again? I mean, in the revamped ZG, you have him imprisoned and you break him out.
So he's free and roaming around now.
Maybe give him a plague ability like the original one that can be unleashed in cities to kill thousands.

> tfw you're sad about all the cut content
I guess the future Warcraft Chronicles book will pick up the slack and explain what we missed, the book seems solid so far on small details

So wait, what happened to Darkshire? Please don't tell me that my waifu Althea is dead.

>>46049903
Turns out everyone notable was a Legion worshipper

>>46049903
she ded.

>>46049929
>>46049927
Fucking Blizzard is so goddamn terrible. I loved Darkshire because it felt like a last bastion of order and discipline, albeit struggling, in a part of the forest abandoned by the King.

But them being Legion cultists? Fucking hell.

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>>46049940
Welcome to the crowd anon

Also Stromgarde is killed and that cool WoD warden chick is a legion worshipper too

>>46049940
what the actual fuck? did an alliance player rape Kossak when he was child or something?

>>46049996
I knew about Cordana Felsong. Fun fact: She was actually in the RPG as well.

Stromgarde is disappointing, but it's something. At least on my RP server there's someone vying to reclaim all of Arathi (and Alterac after that), so we could just conveniently ignore that.

>>46050041
Bloody well seems like it. Another Alliance town gone.

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>>46049927
>Here you go. Bring this message to Master Carevin.
>A few more like you, and we will outnumber the Night Watch! Perhaps then we could complete the work that we few carry on today.

Excuse me for my cold reception, but as I'm sure you can tell, I am an extremely busy man. I see that you have impressed Calor--and I assure you, that is no small feat--and that he has given his recommendation.

There are unsavory types afoot, and we can use the help of all who have proven themselves. We battle against demons, the undead, and those who would provide them aid. Be vigilant, be wary, and trust none who would not give aid to our cause.

Glory under the Light.

>>46050060
>I knew about Cordana Felsong
I knew too, because I named my night elf Death Knight after her. She was supposed to be a dead Warden raised to undeath by the Scourge. It got awkward as fuck in WoD

>>46050061
So wait, some batshit cultists managed to not only convert, but also outnumber the Night's Watch?

BLIZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD

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>>46050061

>>46050061
>>46050086
>>46050088
No, it seems the worgen-hunting light-fanatics were RIGHT.

Fuck Blizzard.

On an unrelated note, is there a proper and coherent timeline yet? I know that it's been 5 years since WoD in Legion, and that we apparently spent a year in relative peace from MoP to WoD, but most of the stuff before that has never been officially given a place on the timeline.

>>46050240
>know that it's been 5 years since WoD in Legion
isn't that only a rumor?

>>46050245
Anduin looks to be around twenty / twenty-one nowadays. We also spent a couple of years (or at least 1 - 2) on Draenor. It's never explicitly said during the questing, but the time between breaking out of Tanaan to settling the Garrison is about 3 months (could also be one, I forget).

>>46050258
so it's still unsourced so far then

>>46050240
>>46050245
>>46050258
>>46050272
Every expansion has been two in-universe years.

I don't think Legion will break that mold.

>>46050304
Considering I roleplay my characters, I just use the real-life patch and expansion release dates for the storyline

>>46050319
Patch dates are a bit messier. What with how long people spend farming raids at the end patch of an expansion.

Though I guess lasting 18 months would make the Siege of Orgrimar a proper siege.

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Who's ready to spit in disgust?

>There's even Older Gods out there. The Old Gods were just shitty minions all along.

>>46050476
Not me. After having time to adjust, I think I like the new Titan/Legion/Old God lore more than the patchwork they had before.

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>>46050476
>Space Satan is a dindu nothin. He wants to destroy everything to stop an Ancient-er Evil from Awakening.

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>>46050493
It's less the retcon itself than it is the sheer disregard Blizzard has consistently shown to any and all their previous narratives. It just really annoys me to see such shitty worldbuilding.

>>46050476
>>46050493
>>46050507
I'm sorta okay with some of the changes, though why not just have the Old Gods and Void lords be the same thing? With the Old Gods just being their physical manifestations.

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>>46050537
>Dreadlords have double CORRUPTION

>>46050537
eh, I got used to it with TBC. Blizzard's been retconning and changing plots and theme since they released War 2 and War 3

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>>46050538
Blizzard's running out of villains and turning back to the ol' 'The Real Villain Was These Guys All Along' tactic.

I think all three of their main games have done this by now, actually.

>>46050507
I don't think anyone, even Blizzard, is trying to imply Sargeras did nothing wrong

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>>46050537
I love how in one swoop, they turned two of the world's largests religions into glorified cargo cults.

Elune is now Cybertron, and the Naaru are literally the Light, not just extensions of it.

>>46050608
Naaru are still technically extensions of it, but they ARE the Light the humans worship.

>>46050574
I was just being facetious. I'm just not sure why the guy who was literally the ultimate Satan figure of the setting got turned into some Lawful Stupid greater good type who is doing everything to stop the Older Gods.

Bluntly put, of all the characters that needed depth to their story in Warcraft, Sargareas does not rank among them. He's fucking Satan Galactus, and that's all he needed to be.

>>46050567
> spirit healers are rogue val'kyrs
I wonder if they will update their models someday

>>46050647

That does piss me off. Mostly due to all the really nice speeches by Uther and others about what the Light is...and they are absolutely wrong.

>>46050663
>I'm just not sure why the guy who was literally the ultimate Satan figure of the setting got turned into some Lawful Stupid greater good type

he's sort of always been like that. Back in War 3 he was wrecking the universe because he thought the Titans were being baddies for unnaturally ordering it. While the exact reason for him embarking on the burning crusade has changed its still basically the same thing; make the universe great again by burning it to the ground

>>46050647
>they ARE the Light the humans worship.
>>46050682


No, they just introduced them to it.
The Light is a cosmic force beyond realty.

>>46050687

Well, he's not wrong about Uther being mistaken about what the Light is. What with it now being 'You can channel it with enough conviction, not actual righteousness'

>>46050686
That was more of an understandable motivation in a Luciferish sort of way, though. A fallen champion who lost himself in evil, and wanted to destroy all his brothers once held dear.

The retcon turns him into a Space Marine, destroying everything for some Greater Good end. Only now he actually has a solid reason for it.

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why are night elves sluts?

>>46050687
They are still the only vector for people knowing the light, and that's fucking lame. Subtly because of that first contact all future interpretations of the Light will be viewed through that crystal lens (Dohohoho crystal joke)

>>46050724
because they are litterally built for sex, just like fem trolls

>>46050686
does the burning legion know its primary function is to fight the old gods? why has the burning legion been chasing the draenei across the galaxy? does archimonde and kil'jaeden know the old gods are their primary enemy?

>>46050724
the same reason why Orcs are thug life: the fanbase

although Night Elves have always dressed sluttishly, it just wasn't a big part of their shtick until WoW rolled around

>>46050728
It's midichlorians all over again.

>>46050738
>does the burning legion know its primary function is to fight the old gods?

They wouldn't care, they just like destroying things.

>why has the burning legion been chasing the draenei across the galaxy?

KJ.

>does archimonde and kil'jaeden know the old gods are their primary enemy?

Probably.

>>46050724
All the men went into another plane of existence for 10,000 years.

>>46050723
Eh, he's still wrong. If he been a good boy and shut up and listened to the Pantheon, we wouldn't be in this mess right. Azeroth would hatch no problem and BTFO the void lords. It still feels the same to me, he's misguided

>>46050738
I believe so. Haven't read to the book yet, but from memory the leaks indicated he told Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden the fundamental flaw of the universe and how it could be corrected.

>>46050739
>although Night Elves have always dressed sluttishly, it just wasn't a big part of their shtick until WoW rolled around

Considering the nelf on the loading screen of WC3 in the bikini was the first and most enduring image people had of the race, I'd say they were always perceived of as fanservice by everyone.

>>46050724
hey.. If you had a body like that, wouldn't you want to show it off?
I know I would

>>46050786
true, but the fan service like that was balanced by their amazonian portrayal in the campaign itself. WoW basically side lined them compared to other races, and so the only thing people remember now is the slutress aspect

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Lei Shen led his mogu host and the trolls to the west. The Zandalari had heard tales of the lands near Uldum, but they had never seen them with their own eyes. Pristine lakes and waterfalls dotted the region’s lush jungles. It was a paradise, teeming with undiscovered life and wonders as far as the eye could see. The full might of Lei Shen’s empire trampled over the land, stopping just short of the monolithic pyramids that composed the keepers’ bastion of Uldum. Only a small group of tol’vir emerged from the fortress to resist the mogu. Lei Shen mocked their numbers, for he knew that he alone could crush them. Indeed, the tol’vir had known that defeating the Thunder King’s forces in battle was impossible. As Lei Shen had marched toward Uldum, the titan-forged had prepared a final defense: the Forge of Origination locked beneath the fortress. Rather than using it to its full potential—which would eradicate all life on Azeroth—the tol’vir had configured the Forge of Origination to scour only the nearby land.


I love how Chronicles made the Tol'vir into Belka.

>>46050786

I'd love to see what had happened if they'd gone with the Warden look as the initial appearance of the Night Elf units rather than 'Slut Archers'.

>Armoured rogues with throwing knives who can turn invisible in the night as the base unit.

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>draw a gnome girl
>call it a dragon boy

Why is this allowed?

>>46050826

WoW sidelines everyone except humans and orcs. When other races get the spotlight it's an "event"

>>46050992

The original art for the warden had her in a bikini.

>>46050992

Night Elves' original concept art was scantily clad. High Elves had the armored stuff.

The Wardens' full armor was probably supposed to be a remnant from the pre-Sundering imperial days.

>>46051026

Which is kinda weird when you realize: There is officially more groups from the ALLIANCE side of the Second War in the new horde than there are Horde side groups.

The Blood Elves and Undead both were Alliance during the second war, the Trolls were not part of it (Wrong tribe), the Tauren are too new for it...

Yet somehow they try to go like it's culturally 100% Orcish Horde.

>>46051036
>>46051034

Oh yeah, I know that. Hence why it was 100% hypothetical.

If they'd made different design decisions for the base look of the faction.

But I'm mostly just sad that you can't get Warden armour as a Rogue or even Warrior in WoW. That shit was stylish.

>>46050826

It was fine as long as they did the barbaric thing.

When they started the "Nelfs are giggly bimbos" thing in WoW the fanservice just became cringey.

What reasons did Blizzard give for Night Elves joining the Alliance?

Was it just a middle finger to the orcs in response to them cutting down trees in Azshara and Ashenvale?

>>46051306

Because three factions is HARD guys...

I wonder if the horde and alliance races would ever get switched up?
I am pretty sure that the blood elves were really close on switching sides during MoP.

What would the new horde and alliance races even be?

>>46051306
>Was it just a middle finger to the orcs in response to them cutting down trees in Azshara and Ashenvale?
Yes, and also >>46051318

>>46051349
>>46051318
Well that's disappointing

I like them being in the alliance because cultural differences and conflicts within a faction are interesting, but that is a pathetic reason.

>>46051349
>>46051306

That and also 'Man, all the non-NElf parts of thier allies are hard to rig up as PCs'. Firbolg are the best there, about as hard as Panderan/Tauren but then you get Dryads (Who are monogender) and...Faerie dragons?

>>46051380
Fuck I'd love to play a dryad

It would inevitably end in ERP though

>>46051399
Ancient or bust brah

>>46049155
What system would be the best to run a Warcraft game in?

>>46049483
>implying they will ever tie up loose ends


Oh what's that Azshara has the Trident of neptulon and they imprisoned Neptulon himself?

Let us just ignore that

>>46051467
I'd honestly like to see someone try to run a Warcraft game using Dungeon World.

>>46050724

Why are nelves too stupid to wear shoes? For that matter why are trolls too stupid to figure out shoes?

>>46051306
lorewise: constant horde trespassing and logging in Ashenvale led them to break off ties with the Horde. Since they were now solely allied to the Alliance (well that and their more traditional allies like Furbolgs) they natural aligned further with the Alliance, especially thanks to Jaina's work. It's worth considering that in the warcraft universe, humans are natural diplomats, and that probably has something to do with it too

Gameplay: it's easier to balance two factions, and the night elves fit the alliance better than the horde

>>46051399
>I'll attract the enemy with my human call

>>46051399

>>46051529

Surprisingly the dryad they made for Heroes of the Storm is super-serious. She's an ancient one, though, direct offspring of Cenarius.

>>46050680
They are literally a game mechanic. Are they also going to put a canonical explanation for hearthstone, how about one for $$ mounts and mini pets.

How about making in game subscription cannonical
>Great heroes appear from the void
>When they run out of interest or energy they disappear
>They may purchase energy from other heroes through a glorious auction system
>From the void of the heros great steeds and battle pets also spawn
>With enough energy a hero at will may change there race sex or ever faction
>Some souls of the void are so great they need not adventure
>These souls are born at neat maximum power

>>46051565
>Surprisingly the dryad they made for Heroes of the Storm is super-serious
thank our SJW overlords

>>46051594
Spirit healers are litterally not a game mechanic anymore considering the Chronicles book explain their appearance

>>46051594

The dragon Azuregos befriended and fell in love with his spirit healer since he visited her so much. This is an actual storyline in-game.

>>46051608
was.

Its now a goblin themepark

>>46051600
>thank our SJW overlords

I don't know how facetious you are there, but I personally liked hearing a dryad with some dignity rather than "teehee teh forest oops I killed you!" again. But then again bimbos are a major turnoff for me so.

>>46051635
honestly, I liked dyrads doing that.
But not the nelves as a whole.

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>>46051630
What? Azuregos falling in love with the Spirit healer is (Revealed) post-cata.

>>46051565
>>46051600
>>46051635

Pity she's also super crap. That +20% movement speed is nowhere near enough of a mobility power for how fragile she is and a heavy DOT focus doesn't really work when battles are decided often before her toxins have enough time to work.

She really needed a rework. Maybe make the 'leap and poke' a non-ultimate (With a tone down on damage obviously).

>>46051672
I thought it was obvious in vanilla.
I am just buttmad that the zone got turned into a meme.

>>46051678

No joke, especially since they did Li-Ming almost immediately afterwards who is very very good at the mobile glass cannon thing.

I still like Lunara's voice and model a lot, though.

>TFW she gets even bigger antlers on her master skin and antlers are a sign of virility

>>46051696

Oh yeah, her model and voice are great. It's a lot of why I still play her despite her being rubbish.

I think she'd be a lot better if she did something like 'Toxins reduce healing' or 'Toxins slow' or something.

It's even worse now with the D2 Necromancer who manages to do DOT fantastically well with his Poison Nova. As he uses it to AOE a heap of people with slow but almost certain death, forcing supports to work overtime. Rather than 'Yeah, Morales just pays attention to whoever Lunara is attacking right now. All good'

>>46051594
I agree wholeheartedly with you. Game mechanics don't need a lore explanation.

However, in this instance, it is just too good an opportunity to not make use of it.

Is anybody else bothered with just how much the player characters dabble into dark arts by just using the weapons of their enemies that are sometimes literally parts of corrupted monstrosities or channel the power of ancient evils that threaten to destroy the universe?

If Random McFuckface soldier had a weapon like that they would turn into Crxlrtuchncepakista'N, Champion of Being Un-Nice on the spot, yet when a paladin goes around wielding a weapon stolen, and made of, a shard of an old god and then sticks in a piece of crystalized nasty into it he's all fine and the light still loves him.

>>46051757
>not being 2PURE4CORRUPTION

>>46051490

Trolls just don't like wearing shoes and they have super tough feet. Nelfs are mutated trolls so they have inherited the same trait.

>>46051757
Hey guys? I'll just grab this corrupted gorehowl from Garrosh.. okay?

>>46049239
Greetings, stranger! I'm not surprised to see your kind around here

>>46051832
"Oh this? It's just a fragment of the soul of this horrible monster contained inside a small bottle, don't worry about it. I carry it around and sometimes it makes my hits always strike at the enemy's weak point, but mostly it just whispers me words of darkness."

>>46051757
I liked the way parts of Wrath handled it. Didn't Yogg-Saron whisper things to the PC if they were wearing Saronite gear? And some of the things the PCs did got pretty shady during the whole Northrend storyline.

>>46051757

Honestly, Warlocks as a class have never sat right with me in general.

There is, until WoW, not a single non-crazy evil warlock I can think of and both factions have them as Kill On Sight.

>>46051870
>What? It's not like I'm actually keeping it around for long. I'm probably going to ditch this thing for quest greens come next expansion.

>>46051870
"I mean.. Not bad whispers.. Just 'kill them all' and the likes. I mean we are already killing everything in eyesight right? So what is a bit more killing"

>>46051891
>>46051895
And that is the true reason that great heroes will never be corrupted, not from purity but from greed for the shiniest new loot.

No matter how firmly the corrupter of the week sinks their claws into a hero's mind, they can always be talked into giving up the foul artifact by someone holding out shinier pants.

>>46051880
Warlocks are fucking great, the untrusted reason is most of the reason i started. Especially old skool warlocks, when Doomguards sacrifice a player to summon, your Infernal was a beast if it got unleashed, and most of your utility is based on sapping your resources because you Life Tapped to near death.

It inspired a kind of 'Warlocks are bad, but theyll probably get themselves killed anyway' feeling. If anything, Warlocks deserved a big uniform agency like Druids or Pallies, just for the danger factor. Not just orcs and goblins trading Voidwalker chants and arguing over if da Troll's Succubus is bigga den da Gnome's

>>46051918

>My precious, my...ooh, +1 Strength!

>>46051918
>Donald, you have been using that sword for a while now, don't you think you should switch it out. I mean, this one is doing things to you.
KRAK_NAJSUIDAS KIK'NAXXXS
>Yeah, but this random sword i pulled out of a boar's ass got more multistrike
Oh yeah, it fits my spec better, thanks bud.

And thus we learn the story behind world drop epics.

You just realized all of WoW's npc/creatures werent hostile because they were bad, but because they knew you were gonna fuck shit up

>>46051918
blizzard should implement some item in each expansion that would boost the ilvl of previously earned epixx so we at least could go "Yeah.. I've had this axe since I started a few years back. It has slain Illidan, Deathwing and even bathed in the sha of prides blood.
And it does whisper to me at night"

>>46052025
Reminds me a little of the dragon-forged system from Dragon's Dogma. Kill a dragon with a weapon, and it has a chance to become dragon-forged, giving stats better than it could otherwise obtain with normal upgrades.

At the very least, it would have nice if blizzard had allowed legendary weapons like Thunderyfury to be upgraded.

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Some art from the RPG's sourcebooks.

>>46052053
that sounds pretty cool. Would the stat boost be equal to if you had a dragon-forged epic? or would it just be more along the lines of.. +10?

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Have something I think looks like a Kobold Cat-form druid

>>46052062
Are there female satyrs?

>>46052025
Just transmog.

>>46052095
"k..ki..kill me now.."

>>46052099
No.

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>>46052095
>>46052119

>>46052070
it depends. Generally speaking, better items turn out better than mediocre items when they're both dragonforged, but some poor items end up getting really large boosts.
Having said that, even fairly ordinary weapons are very very good when dragonforged, and were good enough for the end game content until the DLC arrived.

Overall I think its a decent concept, and I feel blizzard should have used some sort of system to keep the iconic weapons of wow in play during later levels

>>46052174
anon. There's a line.. and you have crossed it.
We cannot be besties any longer

Why doesn't Sylvanas possess anyone anymore?

>>46052251
Too obsessed with immortality to use Deathrattle effects now.

>>46052062
The Manual of Monster appendix on d20 monsters is pretty fun
>Bugbears were created by necromancers as a slave race and can be commanded by a "dark language"
>Dryads have gone full survivalist and shank people
>Nymphs are bimbos who just run away from bad stuff
>umber Hulks and Trolls broing it up

>>46052251
She still does. Haven't you seen Kosak?

>>46052279

Who would ever want to possess Kosak?

>>46052292
>Possess an official lore-author
>You can never die because he's technically a god of your world and now he's under your control
>Continue to do atrocious warcrimes for your powermongering campaign without anybody retaliating

It's funny though when you think about it: Sylvanas' "Charm" didn't work on creatures above a certain level in the game, indicating she could only charm creatures of low or mediocre intelligence, at best.

What does that say about Kosak?

>>46052099
Not that we ever see, but there may be off screen.


>>46052274
I liked the Coal Goblins because black/grey reskins or other races are cool.

>>46052370

I wouldn't swap an immortal hot elf-chick body for that sack of meat.

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>>46052279
>>46052370

>interdimensional mind control fuckery
>we will have to launch a raid into the minds of the devs

Getting really meta in here.

>>46052399
I would swap my sack of meat for an immortal hot elf-chick body though

>>46052399
Sylvanus doesn't direct possess in TFT, she uses a charm that lets you keep both the hero and the MCed unit.

>>46052426

I am thoroughly unsurprised.

>>46051600
>>46051608
Do spirit healers function as they do in game if so how is mortality still a thing in Warcraft.

>>46051739
Thanks honestly the scary part is that it doesn't sound to far at from a possibly.

Do any of you guys play on an RP or RPPvP server? I'm trying to pick one, preferably RPPvP.

>>46053089
No, because i started to get into RP around my teens and by that time the RP servers' reputation had been soiled for me and had about a week's worth of some horrible experiences.
I can never go back to Goldshire without reliving those horrible memories...

>>46053168
That poor, abused inn. All those shocked and confused new players.

>>46053218
And it was so comfy back in yore when i first went there. Damn you, Argent Dawn, damn you for forever ruining some of my first memories with the game.

>>46051608
>Can't remember who he is
>Sudden realization

OH MY GOOOOD

That's hilarious. Since players kept killing him so damn often since he was a world boss.

I solo'd him with my hunter back in Wrath... if i recall correctly I was actually doing the scepter questline

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>>46051678
>Lunara
I think their biggest mistake was making her mechanics 100% poison-related. You pretty much have to pick her +damage and +attack speed talents if you want to have any viability for actually taking heroes down before they just run off and heal.

That, and 20% movement speed boost is nothing, considering she can't speed up and go into mount mode. Valla can mount, but also gains the same speed boost when she's got maximum Hatred. Zagara can mount, but also gains that speed boost while standing on Creep. Hammer -can't- mount like Lunara, but her temporary 60% movement speed boost is way more useful than a passive 20% one.


>>46051600
>SJW
I don't see the SJW influence on her. She's just the vengeful, capricious side of nature that demands a broken bone for every broken branch, and a fallen foe for each chopped-down tree. Not practical by any means, but fey creatures don't tend to be.
She's the opposite side of the coin to Mylune (who she remarks upon if you keep clicking on her), who wants to cuddle all the fuzzy bunnies and squirrels and baby deer and fluffy birdies, etc..

>>46051682
Yeah it was so sad seeing all those ancient elven ruins and shit and all the beautiful coastlines get FUCKING RAVAGED by filthy goblins

>>46053089
>>46053168
I haven't played WoW since the release of BC. I only played on RP servers and it was so disappointing to see how little most of the people cared.

It was basically just another PVE server. Everybody of course said "get a guild and you'll get some RP!" but I always thought it was bullshit because why should I go have to specifically seek people for RP on a server that is already fucking dedicated to this very concept?

I retreated to a fan community forum and did freeform roleplay, instead.

>>46053168
>>46053218
See, if the Horde ransacked Goldshire and burnt the whole thing down, Alliance players would CHEER.

>>46052947
To a lesser extent. It's severely rare that they can pull such a soul out of the Shadowlands- in the same way a priest actually casting Resurrection is a goddamn once-in-a-thousand-years kind of miracle that, AFAIK, hasn't actually happened yet in-lore.

>>46053314
>ptsd_flashback_dog.gif

>>46053400
Alliance would supply the torches and even throw a feast in Horde's honor and make a new holiday:
Purification Week.

>>46053355
she's too auto attack focused for how crap her auto attacks are. The two *good* ranged auto-attackers get a range bonus in the first 4 levels (Raynor natively, Zagara as a talent), Lunara doesn't even get Nexus Frenzy (not that you would take it if she did because her ult upgrades are actually good). if they gave her a passive 20% range bonus like Raynor, or a talent for it at 1 or 4, and moved Wisp to the 1 key like Xul's Bone Armour to replace it with something good, she'd be great

>>46051007
the autism is strong with this.
How long you plan on keeping this up?

>>46053458
If there's any town in Azeroth that I'd support Sylvanas plague bombing...
>Sylvie, there's this place called Moon Guard.
>Go there, find Goldshire.
>OBLITERATE IT.
>We'll forgive all your past crimes.

>>46053492
as long as it'll make his weanus peanus hard I guess

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>>46053492
He be makin' trolls look bad, mon.

>>46053458
I remember the days when Goldshire was the RP hub for new players.

You'd have level 60 paladins telling young heroes of their battles in far-off lands against Horde savages and mysterious threats, or old friends from Khaz-Modan reminiscing about their days in the Second War.

Now it is a ruined remnant of what it used to be.
At least it's largely isolated to MG.

>>46053492
Longer now that you replied to him.

>>46053355
>>46053490

Or do what the Wisps did in WC3. Make them EXPLODE. So she gets a mobile, flying bomb.

That double speed wisp is suddenly looking a bit scarier.

>>46053355

I would still date her.

>>46053639
Not to devolve further into non-lore/non-RPG-related stuff, but according to some, Lunara is one of the top picks because of how she can harass enemy teams by just popping in with a couple poisoned spears and then prancing a way, nickel-and-diming them to death whenever they're away from their supports- and otherwise causing supports to go OOM faster.

She still feels boring to play, though. I thought she'd be a hero with unprecedented mobility, making her harassing techniques all the more effective- but nah. 20% movement speed, no mount.

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Can we just zap Kalimdor with a de-evolution magic spell and turn Tyrande back into a troll? I think she'd look cuter with tusks.

>>46053833
Thing is, exposing trolls to magic is what turned them into elves. Who knows what would happen if you flooded Kalimdor with even more magical energy, but the result would probably not be trolls.

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>>46053833
No.

That said, I realized that there is a big shortage of troll ladies. There's Zen'tabra, but she sounds a chainsmoking horse learned how to speak from a Jamaican.

But then again, if you introduced a cute troll gal, you'd have people bitching about how they're supposed to be ugly.
That said, give this a gander.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKjUgLrDEbI

>>46053862
Kalimdor would be one big Crystalsong Forest, most likely.

At least, anything that didn't get crystallized into dust.

>>46053862

They'd probably mutate into naga or harpies or something, it's happened before.

>>46053727

She's a decent pick vs highly immobile teams but she's unable to do that against basically anyone with mobility tricks or shields.

And yeah, I was expecting good mobility. Not 'Jesus Christ I feel so slow when I need to actually play objectives'

>>46053936
I figured the naga transformation was from the double whammy of high magic and also being at the bottom of the ocean.

>>46053967

It is. But it's commonly demonstrated that adding (magic) to trolls or elves will make them violently mutate. So if you try to trollify elves you probably get something different instead.

>>46053967
I thought it was N'Zoth brokering a deal with Azshara.

>>46053991
Can we mana burn them into trolls or does that only result in scrawny high elves?

>>46053947

Well, low mobility and short range. As she's fragile enough that trading hits with someone with a decent return volley like Hammer can ruin her day.

>>46054030
wouldn't the mana regenerate over time? So if you could give them something akin to a necklace of mana burn or something, then I guess it would work?

>>46054030
You will end up wirth burnt people who have no mana.

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>>46053580
Exactly, I thrive off of (You)s

>>46054132
Hook them up to a Felhound via a magical IV drip?

>>46054170
Hmm I suppose tat if we were to isolate a male and female nightelf somewhere which constantly drained their mana and continued to do so also during the pregnancy.. would the end result be a trollchild?

>>46050567

>Aegwynn did fall in love with Aran

oh fuck off

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>>46054237
No, they'd become something akin to Wretched and have a horrid little emaciated baby.

>>46054237
Might take a few generations.

>>46054314
well.. maybe generation 1 would turn out like that. But that is why we keep going. For SCIENCE!

>>46049217
>>46049416

Race additions are by far the thing I get most excited about in WoW expansions. Seeing a variety of races in the game, getting some new lore, models, starting area, etc is always a good time. Would love to see Furbolgs, Ogres, etc. in the future.

Not suggesting everything is obviously, Quillboar would make little sense as playable. Naga is my most desired race though, find a way to make it work Blizz, Naga-BE friendship is eternal.

>>46054403
>Playable naga
Kind of hard to explain them fighting their own kind in Outland and Vashj'ir.

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>>46054403

Something no one ever brings up- Ethereals.

Ethereals would be cool as hell to play as.

>>46054403
I would drop everything in WoW to play a Naga.

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>>46053833
>>46053875
Man, alt-universe Warden Tyrande is so infinitely superior to MU Tyrande. She looks so good with white hair. Even the standard Tyrande in HotS looks so much better than her WoW incarnation

>>46054595
Id play an Ethereal. I really want to play an Ogre. I really would play as one of those Mo'arg things from BC too, even if it was just a hero class/race.


First pick would probably be Mo'arg or Ogre. I dig the outland races. I really wish there was a third faction of Nerubians, and the fleeing races from outland (ogres, mo'arg, sporregar, ethereals)

http://imgur.com/a/iPzk6

>>46054770
A spoiler warning would've been nice. I'm still waiting for my copy.

>>46054839
sorry. Its just the artwork

>>46054456

Yeah, I'm not denying it would take some lorefuckery to make it work. Nothing Draenei level but still a bit. Normally I'd be against that but Naga are too fucking cool, I've wanted to play one since Warcraft 3. They could have some fun flavor racials with faster swim speed and waterbreath, and they'd definitely have a bitching starting area.

Maybe a cool mount but seeing what happened to the Worgen, maybe not.

Memes and lulrandumbhumor aside, what do you think of Pandaren?

>>46054940
too mary sue.
but that was expected since the game is carried by china.

>>46054940
I don't care about Pandaren

But I'm very happy they brought a monk class to the game, I love monks in every RPG

>>46054940
Pandaren are a fun race and I can dig the chinese and harmony themes, but the rest of pandaria is even better. All those feelings of discovering new, mysterious and awesome places were something I missed since I tried to complete the world map with my lvl 20 paladin back in vanilla.

Oh boy, making the stormwind - booty bay - ratchet - darnassus - menethil - iron forge tour was quite the adventure.

>>46055144
this, the pandaren are kinda corny but exploring pandaria was fucking fantastic.

>>46054940
Good.
Pandaria as a whole had good lore.

>>46054940
>>46054962
I like the fact that they are the way they are because of a culture based on not disturbing the lingering evil beneath their land, not an inherent goodness.

>>46055307
Dread wastes were a pain withouth a flying mount, but the mantid are one of my most fav races.

>>46054456
Blood Elves fought their own kind on Outland and Quel'danas. There could be a way to justify playable Naga.

>>46054607
Me too. One of my favorite races in the Warcraft universe.

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> Warcraft have the best /tg/ waifus

>>46054940
I found the fish people more interesting and still want them to join the Alliance.
Horde can have the retarded little monkeys.

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>>46055706

>>46055688
>Horde can have the retarded little monkeys.
They already have goblins.

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>>46055974
So? Horde is dumping grown for subhuman filth.

>>46056072

The appeal of Alliance for those wanting to be Garithos/Space Marines is lost on me. You've got Night Elves fucking everywhere, one of the most subhuman races out there. Dwarves are okay, but then you've got Gnomes, Draenei, and furries.

Garithos would hang himself. I guess playing a Garithos Human Paladin that only groups with humans would be fun, but it only goes so far. And if you could go the exact same thing with an Orc with a Garrosh mindset.

>>46054940

Pandaria was great, Asian themes were a breath of fresh air and it allowed them to introduce some new lore rather than rehashing WC3 or going into space. Also had great music.

As for the Pandaren themselves, I am getting pretty tired of the "balance in all things" shtick that every Asian fantasy race has. I also wish they were a bit more "bear-mode" rather than just being fat; they can be fat too, but they should be fucking buff so they still look powerful. Overall I still like them though, my Warrior is a Pandaren.

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>>46056072
>dumping grown

>>46056193
>Garithos would hang himself.
And the world would be happier.

>>46056193
>The appeal of Alliance for those wanting to be Garithos/Space Marines is lost on me.

Seems I'm not the only one that's noticed this. Seems to go hand-in-hand with the "ARTHAS DINDU NUFFIN" mentality, too.

>>46056259
They're buff under the fat. Have you seen some of the weapons they wield? Jojo swings around a big jade statue like he's half tauren.

>>46056296

Yeah, I love the Imperium and all, being a fantasy hyper-racist can be fun, but that's not what the Alliance is about at all. It's fucking called "the Alliance". If anything the Horde is the more racist of the two factions because their races are more different and there's more friction (and what is basically a sub-faction in the Undead and Blood Elves).

>>46056193
Night Elfs and Draenei are just colorful dick warmers.

>>46054940
I remember being pretty fucking hype for them back in the day before Mists was even announced, and I definitely wasn't opposed to them being in the game from vanilla onwards.

I saw some artworks from Samwise where he actually portrayed two separate Panda-factions, one being japanese vikings and the other appearing like a more civilised dynasty china. The former obviously would have been a great Horde addition while the latter felt clearly designed for alliance.

Now, I feel they're just too exotic, out of touch with everything the world they live in. And that's an achievement in a world where literal extraterrestrials run around.

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Is this accurate?

>>46056717
>DKS literally use water magic as a major spec
What?

>>46056717
I'd say mostly correct except for rogues. Their abilities are mostly based in acrobatics, which is purely physical. However that is my understanding from vanilla/BC, so if they received skills that somehow delve into the supernatural in WotLK onwards, it could very well be.

>>46054940
Pandaria was great. Blizzard's storytelling and exploration is at its best when not constrained by MUH FACTION WAR and MUH MAIN CHARACTERS.

BUT THEN ORGRIMMAR.

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So I spent 15 Trillion Hours in MS Paint drawing borders on the map from the Chronicle

r8?

>warning: HUEG

>>46056922
Sub rogues get shadow damage attacks and the teleportation talent, so they're the magical rogue spec.

>>46057027
>that theramore
everytime

>>46057087
I personally think it's hilarious that both cities Jaina loved got CRATERED.COM

>>46056989
Orgrimmar was just laying the groundwork for the story to WoD.
Blizz did this before, much poorer in Wrath, with the Ruby Dragonshrine introducing the Twilight's Hammer being up to shit as a lead-in with Cata.

>>46057087
Being Jaina Proudmoore is suffering.
>first love becomes Lich King
>mentor/friend/guy-who-loved-you becomes demon worshiper, tries to summon Kil'Jaeden

>Found a colony to try and bring peace between Alliance and Horde
>Father uses it to restart the war
>Refuse to follow him, he is killed to maintain the peace.
>New Warchief starts a war anyways
>Nukes your city, to boot.

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>>46049903
skip to 14:40

another alliance town bites the dust

I really hope that blizzard rebuilds or does something with darkshire other than just leaving it destroyed.

>>46057155
>become leader of Kirin Tor
>boot out Horde assholes
>get booted by Dadgar because refuse to play nice with assholes who nuked town

>>46057220
forgot to link the video

https://youtu.be/Ha9Og02D0sc?t=14m40s

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At the end of the WoW Vanilla Cinematic Trailer, there's a globe in the WoW logo with a weird looking continent.

Is that Pandaria?

>>46057259
Probably. But it's not in its final position. But neither is Northrend.
Of course, Pandaria didn't show up on the Titan's globe holograms in the Ulduar dungeons in Wrath.

>>46057259
Considering that shows Northrend as just off the Tirisfal coast, it's probably just some slapdash attempt that isn't meant to mean anything.

>>46057155
tbf someone should have gone with him to northrend.

>>46057220
Fucking Blizzard hates Alliance. First the Alliance gets fucked in WC1 then Alliance gets fucked in WC3 and then they get fucked in Cata, MoP and now in Legion. And what do Horde lose? Fucking green Jesus and an old badass who would've himself keeled over soon enough.

>>46057155

I'm amazed that they only made a raid tier and dungeon out of Kael'Thas, most major WC3 characters got their own expansion. I guess they weren't planning out 10 expansions at that time.

I bet they're regretting the dungeon. If it was just the raid they could whip Kael'thas out in the future and people would be excited, as is they'd just end up with "setback" memery.

>>46057393
>I bet they're regretting the dungeon.
Yeah, Tempest Keep was a pretty big setback.

>>46057360

Thrall died? And the way Cairne went out was shit, I was hoping he'd be the new Warchief. I guess they had to take him out so it made more sense.

>>46057415
Nah, he just got depressed.

>>46057393
Do you think he absorbed enough Fel to count as a Demon, like Illidan did?

That could work.

>>46057415
No, Thrall left the Horde to become the new Aspect of Earth.

>>46057360
Remember, Metzen is the one writing most of Blizzard's lore for WoW. Remember, he sees it that he IS Green Jesus.
Green Jesus literally is Metzen's Mary Sue because he does the voice.

>>46057449

Seems pretty analogous with Malfurion, then. Both obviously would favor their side if it came down to it but are functionally neutral.

Man, Thrall was cool as Warchief, I wish they hadn't ruined his character.

>>46057484
I just wish we knew what the hell happened to the alternate universe's Doomhammer. Is it still sitting at the bottom of the ocean? Is some chucklefuck fisherman running around smiting Orcs with a big grin on his face?

>>46057477
Nope. Metzen has been pretty hands-off of WoW, his attention was on Titan (which didn't pan out), and now on Overwatch.

>>46057524
>Random Stormwind Guardsman #165372 fishes up the AU Doomhammer
>Bashes Orc skulls in with it

kek

>>46057477
Which is especially ironic because Thrall is essentially Moses.

That's something they should have done more with. I know the orcs have the big green proud warrior race thing going for them, but I kind of like the idea that a substantial portion of the Orcish Horde revere him, close to the point of outright worship.

The flooding of the southfury in Cataclysm gave me the idea that the orcs had started redirecting the river for irrigation projects to make Durotar more habitable. Thrall is caught between two sides; on one hand, it'll help the Horde grow stronger, and there's a lot of orcs for it (especially with the Orcish baby boom after getting settled in Durotar), on the other hand, there's a substantial factions of traditionalists for whom Durotar is "The Promised Land" and should be taken as it is; and these are the people who have the most support for Thrall and help him reign in the more aggressive clans like the Warsong, so he can't afford to offend them.

Stuff like that. I'd love to deepen the Warcraft lore, make everything more complicated and stuff.

>>46057524
>that draenei fisherman in your garrison picks up the AU doomhammer

>>46057360
>Fucking Blizzard hates Alliance.

Well, who wouldn't? They're freaking lame and it's not like the faction of players who puked out Goldshire deserve any sort of dignity or respect anyway.

Feel free to join a real faction when you get tried of being punked with the rest of the losers.

>>46057704
>Implying the Horde player population isn't just as cancerous
How's Silvermoon City treating you?

>>46057704

lol edgy teen detected

>>46057704
>implying both factions aren't being run into the ground Blizzard's "The Horde always wins but the Alliance is always right" policy

>>46057704
at least alliance don't have problem differentiating the game with real life.

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>>46057704
>guaranteed replies

Here's your (You).

>>46057360
>First the Alliance gets fucked in WC1 then Alliance gets fucked in WC3

I've seen people cry about Horde bias and I've found some of those complaints to be well-founded. This, however, takes it to a whole new level.

The Alliance didn't exist in WC1, regardless of what the movie says.

By your logic, the Alliance needs to CONSTANTLY win for Blizzard to not hate them. So, because the orcs win in WC1 and Lordaeron is destroyed by undead in WC3, means Blizzard hates the Alliance? If they truly hated the Alliance, how do you explain WC2?

Jesus Christ, you retarded Alliance fanboys are taking this shit to a whole new level.

We literally spent the last two expansions killing orcs (Metzen's pet race, according to every retard on 4chan who considers himself a lore expert) and there hasn't been a single positive development for the race since TBC. Supposedly, this is Horde bias, though.

>>46058049

>Green Jesus mvp even the Dragon Aspects follow his lead
>entire closing act of an expansion dedicated to Orcs and Garrosh
>entire expansion dedicated to Orcs and Garrosh

And of course all of this happened about the time Kosak came on board....

>>46058049
>there hasn't been a single positive development for the race since TBC.
Guess you had too much orc dick in your mouth you completely missed the entirety of Cataclysm being a massive Horde wankfest.

>>46054165
here, have a snack.

>>46058213
>Cataclysm
>positive lore for Orcs

>>46058324

Are you completely oblivious or just retarded. People ate up the New Horde and Iron Horde shit, they still do.

>>46058324
>Garry takes over horde
>conquers and bombs alliance settlements and nuke theramore
>horde babbies cheer and eat it up
>Green Jesus ascends to Aspect of Earth

>>46058324
>muh honarabru orcs winning wars because of impossible plot armor

>>46058372

What has the Alliance, nay Humanity, lost so far in terms of holdings or potential holdings and allies?

The entirety of Gilneas, Stormgarde, Theramore, Southshore, what else?

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>>46058049

>Zero impact on Azeroth and Alliance territories

Remember the reaction to Jaina getting pissed about Theramore? Hordies were screeching from the rooftops, demanding Jaina's head on a silver platter for daring to even THREATEN the Horde.

Then we have Sylvanas, who has destroyed/plagued/invaded every one of the northern human kingdoms with the exception of Kul-Tiras. They even fuck with Dalaran's ground forces that were left behind at Ambermill and Dalaran Crater- but let's rewrite that, those are now extremists who wanted to do the undead harm! They're just defending themselves, the noble corpses that they are.

Forsaken and Stormwind forces clash at Andorhol, perhaps making it a new stronghold for the Alliance- and the Alliance even kills all the val'kyr raising the dead to force them back! But nah, Stormwind loses- everyone pack your bags, we just got the memo. No real explanation as to why besides Koltira and Thassarian fucking off.

Never mind the fact that she's still raising the dead right on the front lawn of Hearthglen, the Argent Dawn's biggest hold, but they're going to twiddle their thumbs because "gosh, we don't want to be not-neutral and make our greenskinned friends upset".

Trolls reclaimed the Echo Isles while Gnomes just made camps OUTSIDE Gnomeregan, because they don't want to actually get rid of Gnomeregan as a level 30ish dungeon.

(cont)

>>46058437
Arathor is still ruins since the Second War.
Undead Horde are still squatting in Lordaeron. Which was human. Stratholme is still plagued to shit.
Closer to home, Westfall got wrecked in Cata.

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>>46057704
>They're freaking lame

And who's fault is that? Oh yeah, Blizzard. The Alliance fans don't want a Lawful Stupid narrative. Blizzard does, and then complains how hard/boring it is writing for that vantage.

So stop blaming Alliance players for the shit they are forced to deal with.

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>>46058466
Now, I'm not at all a believer that for every gain/loss, there must be an exact equal gain/loss on the opposing side. That'd be dumb and would make for a very stale story, but with all the shit Sylvanas pulls, nearly every faction she interacts with should be champing at the bit to kick her ass out of power.

Stormwind - Because they wrongfully believe that Lordaeron should be back in the hands of living humans, and Sylvanas is raising their dead (who, for some reason, decide to go "okay, Dark Lady- I'm on your team now!" NO MIND CONTROL, HONEST.)

Gilneas - The obvious.

Knights of the Ebon Blade - Though it's shown that they have no qualms with raising more dead when they need to, Sylvanas is very swiftly going down the road to becoming a new Lich Queen to guard her ass from the cold, dark Hell she was promised. It's hard to believe that she keeps things running with nothing but her cult of personality, and all the dissenting undead are conveniently "rotbrains" who must be put down. How tragic.

Argent Crusade - Again, raising the dead, and plaguing the lands that they spent literal years alongside the Earthen Ring and Cenarion Circle cleansing and purifying.

Cenarion Circle/Earthen Ring - See above.

All that said, conflict drives story, even if it's stupid, poorly written conflict.

>>46058466
Don't forget Silverwind refuge, the Night elf town that got wiped out by the Horde.

>>46058499
the forsaken are technically human and the 'rightful' inhabitants of lordaeron

>>46058581
They bow to Orc dick and try to plague and murder all other humans.
They are not human and the dead have no claim to any kingdom.

>>46058578
Yeah. That place got annihilated- though in some novel, the Alliance completely pushed the Horde out of Ashenvale. Wolfheart, maybe? I haven't read it.

Don't you love when important plot points never even reach the game itself?

>>46058380
>>46058372
>>46058351
>positive lore

Garrosh "If it's not an Orc Warrior, make its land gorier" Hellscream is easily the worst story element the Horde has had in a LONG time.

Second worst is Thrall "Orgrim did nothing wrong" Whateverhislastnameis becoming an Aspect.

>>46058581
I mean, people inherit property when the person who owned it last died, and by definition, all the Forsaken are dead.

Lordaeron legally belongs to the surviving refugees.

>>46058578
To be completely fair, that was a military target.

Not that they should have been invading in the first place.

>>46058652
>the worst story element the Horde has had in a LONG time.
And yet horde babbies like you cheered it on and worshiped his big brown cock and to this day we get faggots whining that Garry dindu nuffin

>>46058691
>Horde babby

Nah man, Alliance is my thing. I just think that Garrosh was a cancer on both faction's stories.

>>46058652
No, it was kosak playing Eu4 and thinking the real world works like paradicks map simulators and then copying that in WoW

>>46058652
What I don't get is why the Forsaken want to stick around so badly. Their unlife is a cursed one, and they admit to it being awful. Hell, one of their "farewells" is "do not seek death", i.e. "Don't kill yourself because this sucks as much as it does".

Yet Sylvanas goes on about continuing "her people" as if they are an ancient and proud lineage. It'd be like if Genn was like, "I MUST CONTINUE THE WAYS OF MY PEOPLE" and started cursing humans into being more worgen, as if it somehow made them into Gilneans as well.

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>>46058627
>Don't you love when important plot points never even reach the game itself?

That's one of the biggest point I gotta give the Alliance. All their 'wins' are in novels or other media other than WoW. If you only play WoW, it certainly appears that the Horde win at everything.

>>46058726
The Horde should have been hit with a coalition by now if that were the case.

now.. I haven't really been reading lore so.. when did Thrall meet his waifu? And how for that matter

>>46058545
Nah, the Alliance was always lame "My son, you have have taught me peace, tolerance, rainbows, and unicrons." Should have joined the red team if you wanted to do cool shit.

You could have had badass monsters and the undead and you choose the painfully vanilla humans, elves, and midgets instead, you schmuck.

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>>46058859
On Draenor, because he was hanging out with the Mag'har, trying to get Garrosh Hellscream to stop being a mopey bitch.

She thought Thrall was both an idiot and a weakling. Other stuff happened. She eventually warmed up to him, and insists on calling him by the name his parents gave him, "Go'el".

People have remarked that it's similar to Superman's "Kal'el".

She had a lot of potential as a character, but it ended up being squandered in favor of her being Thrall's chocolate armcandy/baby machine. (Yes, Thrall had kids.)

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>>46058859
Thrall met Aggra in the midst of the Cataclysm; she was one of the shamans assisting him with putting Azeroth back together - in fact, she's one of the people who directly uptrained Thrall in his shamanism. This is how they met, according to the book "The Shattering":
>Aggra is a favorite of Greatmother Geyah, Thrall's grandmother. She met Thrall during his quest to Nagrand to learn more about the elements from the Mag'har. Aggra, furious with Thrall for seeming to abandon his people and homeland in favor of an alien land, began to quarrel with him.
>As Thrall began preparations for his vision quest, Aggra was assigned by Greatmother Geyah to be his mentor. Despite their relationship starting with spiteful comments and arguments, eventually Aggra began to fall in love with Thrall and his great heart. As Thrall readied to depart Nagrand to return to Azeroth, Aggra openly admitted her desires and became his mate.
Aggra even got an entire Cataclysm questline to herself: Thrall is caught in a trap with his spirit scattered across the land, so Aggra drags the PC along to rescue Thrall's spirit from the four elements. After she saves him, Thrall properly proposes to Aggra at Mt. Hyjal, in the presence of Alexstraza, Ysera and other juggernauts.

>>46058796
Its really stupid how everyone else in the world is so forgiving.

Alexdrasa sworn she would kill every Dragonmaw yet did nothing when Horde invited Dragonmaw into the fold.

>>46058859
Pre-cata, when he went back to nagrand to retrain as a shaman.

Which is one of the worst writing in WoW histroy, and that's saying a lot considering how shit WoW writing is these days.

>>46059076
>>46059039
while I do like my women with a bit more hair on their head.. I can understand Thrall would want to hit that

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>>46059008

>badass monsters
Enjoy being on Team Fabulous with the Blood Elves, or the "wacky hi-jinx" of goblins and their Jersey accents. Oh, they're making things explode? What a new and novel joke!

Both sides have their cancers, but people who think the Horde is "OMG SO BADASS" are the worst.

so.. what class do you think Thralls kids take once they become old enough?

>>46058652
>Garrosh "If it's not an Orc Warrior, make its land gorier" Hellscream is easily the worst story element the Horde has had in a LONG time.

More like the best. He actually motivated the Horde to act like the Horde.

>>46059221
Fuck off, edge babby.

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>>46058213
>>46058351
>>46058372
>>46058691

Confirmed for not having actually played during Cataclysm. There was a significant outcry among the Horde playerbase from DAY 1 regarding the direction Garrosh was taking the Horde.

Also, nothing in Cataclysm, MoP, or WoD, was a positive development for the orc race. They "won" a few battles that offered more development to the Alliance (night elves and humans specifically) and even those victories were completely undone by the end of SoO, with the lone exception of Azshara.

Thrall making friends with the dragons didn't benefit the orcs as a whole. The orcs did not take or learn anything from that. It didn't affect them in the slightest. It wasn't meant to, since Thrall was stressed as "neutral" during that period.

Do you people really think that Horde/orc fans want to spend to two expansions fighting the Horde/orcs? There's been no meaningful development for the orcs since TBC. Trying to say Cata had positive lore for the orcs is completely disingenuous, even if Cata could accurately be described as a "Horde wankfest."

If Blizzard/Metzen/Kosak/Scapegoat TRULY favored the Horde/orcs, Siege of Orgrimmar wouldn't have happened. Warlords of Draenor wouldn't have happened.

>>46059221
>way the Old Horde acted
>good in any way

>>46059210
Both parents are top-tier shaman, so I don't see any reason why that lineage wouldn't continue.

>>46059221
Depends on your definition of the "Horde."

>>46059146
Nah, people flooding every thread to QQ about how mean ol' uncle Blizzard is to team blue are the worst and most prolific. Seriously, Every. Thread.

And Vampire elves and pyromanic mad scientists are pretty lame in comparsion to the rest of the faction but are hell of a lot cooler then space goats and midgets with pastel colored hair will ever be.

>>46059039
>People have remarked that it's similar to Superman's "Kal'el"

Also Goku. :^)

>>46059288
>Both parents WAS top-tier shaman, so I don't see any reason why that lineage wouldn't continue.
fixed it for ya. Thralls a shit shaman in Legion. But I guess he will return to being the best of the best at the end of Legion

>>46059284
It makes it way easier to justify genocide, 'cause clearly putting them in internment camps doesn't work, and their warlike state is not just a result of drinking the Green Kool-Aid (see: Garrosh's Horde + The Iron Horde, both "uncorrupted").

Unless orcish society as a whole starts quashing that behavior, they'll never stop being anything but aggressors and barbarians.

>>46059279
>denial this deep
Okay, kid. Okay.

>>46059291
>Nah, people flooding every thread to QQ about how mean ol' uncle Blizzard is to team blue are the worst and most prolific. Seriously, Every. Thread.

holy fucking hell, this

you can't go one thread without some faggot screaming about "orc dindus" and "blizzard hates the alliance"

>>46059361
>homosexuality this deep

Alright, boy. Alright.

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>>46059279
>If Blizzard/Metzen/Kosak/Scapegoat TRULY favored the Horde/orcs, Siege of Orgrimmar wouldn't have happened

And they still managed to fuck up the Alliance questline for it. Some blue advertised it as the Alliance 'fistpump' moment, and got eaten alive when the patch dropped.

God that raid was horribad. great mechanic wise, but it was obvious they were in damage-control after their 'new Horde' didn't sell.

>>46059227
Not edge. This is Warcraft, not peacecuck.

>>46059284
It's perfectly good, it actually moves the story in an organic way rather simply plopping the villain of the expansion down somewhere.

>>46059288
>Depends on your definition of the "Horde."

A grand fighting machine.

>>46059279
So you complete ignore that horde took over almost the entire north Lordaeron and slaughted half of southern Ashenvale, and taken Azshara while losing nothing?
Nice job.

No you only fought Orcs at the end of MoP and back to demon half way through WoD.
So no you didn't fight orc for 2 expansion, stop lying you lying bastard.

If BZ didn't favor Horde SoO would be about Alliance crushing Horde in one swift action and complete victory over both continent, like any sane general would have accomplished.

>>46059279
>Thrall making friends with the dragons didn't benefit the orcs as a whole.
I distinctly remember the sequence to meet Alexstraza at the top of Wyrmrest Temple during WotLK. Before you go up, you meet the Horde ambassador to the dragons, an orc. He says from the beginning that in order to have a proper dialogue with the dragons, the orcs have to openly admit they fucked up in the past, especially where Alex herself is concerned. The Dragon Queen herself says she's still rather sensitive about what happened in the past, but she's willing to bury it all and start anew with the orcs, presuming they learned their lesson.

>>46059348
Thrall is having a crisis of faith. He just needs some time.

>>46059291
>Vampire elves

Retconned. They lub teh light.

>>46059291
>>46059377
2 More liers found.

Every thread people were bitching about how bad the writing is and how this is due to BZ's stupid favorism.
No one was even vouching for alliance.

>>46059437
Are there even vampires in wow?
We already have worgen werewolves but.. vampires? Underworld war when?

So I hopped back on to WoW using a 10 day free trial, as I haven't played since pre Cata. Any sights I have to see before the timer is up?

>>46059471
There were a few in ICC, don't know if they were ever expanded on.

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>>46059291
>Vampire elves and pyromanic mad scientists
Good job trying to play those up as anything other than prissy crack-addict fairies and a suicidal joke-race.

>goblins cooler than draenei
Wow, you're really chugging that Red Team kool-aid, huh? I bet you popped a stiffy every time the word "savage" came up when they were hyping Warlords of Draenor.

>>46059471
They did have vampires in scattered lore and one of the Icecrown Citadel bosses was a vampire.
I think he was talking about how the Blood Elves became Paladins by capturing a Naaru and stealing its essence to use for themselves.

>>46053168
>>46053089
RPvp servers are nothing more than depressing pvp communities that lack pvpers because of the rp tag

Rp servers have good pvpers though, whether because they're rpers interested in the game, or just pvpers wanting to be realms best

>>46059427
>If BZ didn't favor Horde SoO would be about Alliance crushing Horde in one swift action and complete victory over both continent, like any sane general would have accomplished.
Dealing with a splinter faction of any alliance does not grant carte blanche to dominate the entire alliance.

>>46059494
oh yeah. The blood queen and minions

>>46059471
dreadlords originally filled that niche

>>46059514
If the horde didn't have plot armor, it would have made sense.
Considering QuelThelas and Forsaken were only ever alliances of convenience.

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>>46058437
The Park
#neverforget
#nerverforgive

>>46059492
Run through the level up quest line. (I suggest Hyjal and Vashj'r for 80~85 if you are ok with underwater control.)
Check out the spots you use to love.

>>46059471
San'layn Darkfallen are a bunch of not-vampire Blood-elf undeads that is the cloestest ther eis.

>>46059514
Go read history of how any country in a civil war goes down to an outer force of equal power.

This is exactly what will happen if alliance actually played the card like any intellegent general would do, instead of being a bunch of idiots and join SoO, then do nothing but lose more land by the end of it.

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>>46059471
They weren't explicitly called vampires, but there were several who served the Scourge during Wrath of the Lich King.
>The San'layn are a race of elves, lead by a host of 'vampiric blood elf princes' who appear to hold influential positions within the Scourge, often acting as ambassadors, overlords, and servants in direct contact with the Lich King. The San'layn were created after Arthas took the most powerful of Kael'thas' shattered forces into his service.
>Darkfallen are a unique faction of undead blood elf in service to the Scourge that were raised as undead following Illidan's failed assault on the Frozen Throne.

>>46059076
>>46059039

"Aggra" is just Jaina in an orc disguise.

>>46059427

>Losing nothing

The Horde lost its grip on the Southern Barrens when the Alliance INVADED it BEFORE the Cataclysm even happened. The entire zone is a struggle to hold on to what they have left, while the Alliance would have conquered it if not for the Cataclysm happening.

>No you only fought Orcs at the end of MoP and back to demon half way through WoD

Nope. You fight orcs as early as Patch 5.1 when orcs attempt to assassinate Vol'jin.

You fight orcs right up until the end of Hellfire Citadel, I believe Mannoroth is the last fight in which orcs are enemies.

So as you can see, I'm not lying, faggot. How about you stop acting like a child?

>>46059453
>2 More liers found.

the only liar here is you, faggot

i've been reading every warcraft general on /tg/ since they started up and every thread i see the phrase "orc dindu" or "metzen/kosak favors the horde"

>>46059498
>goblins cooler than draenei

Yes, easily. Sorry for your shit taste m8.

>>46059720
nah. Exploding jews are shit.
Space demons are cool

>>46059720
Horde Fanboy here

I agree on blue spaceGOATs.

Green midgjews a shit. Except for dem shortstacks, mane.

>>46059760

>implying draenei arent space jews

EXODAR
GENEDAR
MUH CHOSEN PEOPLE
ETERNAL REFUGEES FLEEING PERSECUTION

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>>46059453
Not true. I see people bitching about Metzen/Kosak as much as I see 'garrosh dundonutin'

>>46059498
What was the rason again for space goat shamans?

>>46059808
As far as I remember, it was more a self motivating as Horde player. Because Alliance outnumbered you at least 2:1.
Always nice fighting losing battles against unending hordest of "pretty races", yet taking a shitload with you.

Then again I only played the first 2,5 years. So maybe shit got balanced.

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>venture over to /vg/ to see what the fuck /wowg/ is even about
>worthless memes
>memes upon memes
>nothing but memes
>shitposting as far as the eye can see
>people waving epeens around, bragging about how many Mythic 25 raid kills they have, or how good their arena teams are
>people shitposting with pandas
>people shitposting about hating pandas
>nonstop avatarfagging

Please, /tg/. I'm sorry I ever spoke poorly of you. I'll never leave again. Just help me forget.

Space Goats are shit.
>More ancient than Night Elves
>More paladin than Humans
>More technology than Gnomes
>More toughness than Dwarves
>Smarter than everyone
>Magicier than everyone

The only thing that makes them slightly tolerable is that they're losers who if they aren't dying all the time are off screen being irrelevant.

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>>46059881
you're welcome anon

>>46059881

I have not found a single thread on /vg/ that could ever justify going there. It's really just a containment board. As bad is /v/ is it's not THAT bad.

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>>46059810

Legion made a special weapon to use on Shattrath that would cut the draenei off from the Light and mutate them. It's probably made from the Blood of Sethe mixed with fel stuff, which cursed and mutated the arakkoa.

Mutated draenei shaman suffer on their own, some devolving further and further while others managed to keep a sense of self. Lost Ones become feral, inherently hostile to almost everything else. Broken manage to stay around, and eventually one named Nobundo discovers shamanism while trying to find the Light again.

They actually made a pretty okay short story about it.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/short-story/unbroken/1

It also shows how other draenei treated the broken like lepers even though their condition wasn't communicable. Velen eventually gets a vision in regards to these still-civilized Broken (or Krokul) in Outland, and brings them along in their trip to Azeroth.

Shamanism is further engrained when the draenei make friends with the furbolg tribe on Azuremyst. Some draenei consider it paganistic/heretical, while more sensible ones realize that the Light and the elements are not at all mutually exclusive.

>>46059950
Yes, they're overpowered-the player race.

But they still have tons more character on an individual level than Green Jews, whose only remarkable quality is "SO WHACKY" and "COMICALLY GREEDY", but turned up to "give me the sweet release of death" levels of annoying.

>>46059880
Also, Horde has a much better catchphrase. "For the Horde!" just has a lot nicer ring to it than "For the Alliance!", plus you don't really see very many NPCs saying the latter.

>>46059950
Also, their women are really hot.

>>46060107
>Also, their women are really hot.
This. Spacewaifu all day erry day