/swg/- Star Wars General- The Sickness Edition

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Based on last thread.

>>44460055
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAnRV2fWHiU

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>>44460032
>What is your preferred method of getting around the Galaxy?

Space Truckin'

I'm thinking about this list for a tournament on Saturday.

Thoughts on it?

Poe Dameron (37)
T-70 X-Wing (31), R5-P9 (3), Veteran Instincts (1), Autothrusters (2)

“Red Ace” (38)
T-70 X-Wing (29), R2-D2 (4), Comm Relay (3), Autothrusters (2)

Blue Squadron Pilot (25)
B-Wing (22), Advanced Sensors (3)


http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v3!s!175:27,-1,78,-1:-1:15:;186:-1,3,153:-1:15:;44:43,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:

I'd probably want to be those small raptor people that run like an entire corporate sector, a transdoshan or just some high model combat Droid. On a starship to any location.

>>44460032
I can't wait to see chewbacca literally tear both of kylo ren's arms off and beat him to death with them.
you thought a Life Debt was hardcore? you should see a wookee Death Oath

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Why is this so much superior to the T-70?

so out of all three ffg rpg's what's the best assets/base/ship whatever option to start with?

>>44460032
>Species
Gen'dai. I'm fucking invincible!

>Transport
I'll take a Naboo N-1. Those things were ridiculously good.

>Death Sticks
I could probably consume an entire barrel of death sticks and not be affected if I'm a Gen'dai.

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>>44460174

Off the top of my head? It isn't

>>44460204
>>worse everything comin' through

>>44460184
Whatever fits the group/campaign better.

>>44460174
Because the design's a little more separate from the basic T-65.

T-70's split engines just look... strange.

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>>44460184

In my opinion as forever GM of star wars

A ship is always the best option - it allows the maximum amount of freedom to the player characters, while providing a home atmosphere, and represents multiple ways the players and their characters can use their skills - it also represents an evolving tool, and if done right, becomes a party member in its own right.

Just don't ever let players name things.

It has a secondary benefit of proving a plot point for GM's, and a form of economy control. It can also help players generate money assuming you have something that can haul cargo.

One of the most vital things I give my players starting out is a legit hauling license. It requires monthly dues be paid, but it allows them to not be fucked over by customs and laws - plus, hauling legit cargo is a good way to make money on the side - even if you have a party of rebels or jedi

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Is the Imperial Ace canon? If he isn't, I swear I'm done with Star Wars.

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>What is your preferred method of getting around the Galaxy?

I like to wake up after my ship inexplicably changes course and crash-lands on a strange world, remaining mysteriously unharmed.

Almost like it has a sinister mind of it's own...

Something kinda for shits and giggles but don't want to be total crap.

How does this xwing squadron look?

Xbox squadron (100)

Green Squadron Pilot — A-Wing 19
Push the Limit 3
Chardaan Refit -2
Wired 1
Autothrusters 2
A-Wing Test Pilot 0
Ship Total: 23

Dagger Squadron Pilot — B-Wing 24
Fire-Control System 2
"Mangler" Cannon 4
Ship Total: 30

Rookie Pilot — X-Wing 21
BB-8 2
Integrated Astromech 0
Ship Total: 23

Gold Squadron Pilot — Y-Wing 18
Ion Cannon Turret 5
R2 Astromech 1
Ship Total: 24

>>44460032
>What non-Near Human or human species would you want to be?
Kel-Dor so I can walk around breathing like vader to scare people.

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>>44460032
>What non-Near Human or human species would you want to be?

Corellian

>>44460378
But, corellians are humans.

>>44460423
Never tell them the odds. Apparently.

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>>44460423

Corellians are Corellians, anon

>>44460431
What are they gonna do, break into the census record archives on Coruscant and change every Corellian ever from human to non-human?

>>44460032
>What non-Near Human or human species would you want to be?
Dunno. I'm kinda cool being human.
>What is your preferred method of getting around the Galaxy?
Space Winnebago, baby.
>Wanna buy some Death Sticks?
Uh uh. Winners don't do drugs.

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>>44460470
>Space Winnebago

So, what is the Space Winnebago?

For Scum how well does just adding a Firespray to the Most Wanted box work out list wise?

>>44460190
soooo...Gen'Dai Sundowner?

>>44460821
As a side note Red Sun would be perfect name for a smuggler ship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgeqgVjWsy4

Players chose a YT-1760


Party died to one tie-fighter

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>>44460913

Seriously?

Was he a fucking TIE Ace? Normal TIE pilots can't do shit unless grouped up.

Logically, he should have gotten a turn, maybe two, of scratching paint, and then the players either would have blown him up, or hyperspaced away if the fight was going against them.

Dice can be dicks, but not to that extent man. wtf

Hey, I'm planning on running this list on Saturday for a tournament. Any suggestions/improvements?

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v3!s!135:57,-1,128:-1:3:;138:-1,128:-1:-1:;133:-1,-1,123,29,122,-1:-1:-1:

>>44460807
You can work some pretty solid lists out with just those, the biggest thing to worry about would probably be loading up too many points on the firespray.

>>44460978
Oh I was not planning to.

The Z-95's will probably carry missile for swarm busting, going to try a few things with the Y-wing to see what works best.

>>44460952
Not him, but it looks like it's barely possible. 4 Success and 2 Advantage/1 Triumph (for Linked) and blanks on the opposing dice. It'd be a hell of a lucky/unlucky roll. GM probably should've held his punches and just let the one hit slide go and impose setbacks with the rest or something.

>>44460157
>Allegedly, and this is one of those unconfirmed little rumors, Donnie Yen is being cast in the next episode.

Not a rumor. Donnie Yen is in the cast for Star Wars: Rogue One.

>>44460243
None of the FFG-produced material is canon.

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>>44460032
>>What is your preferred method of getting around the Galaxy?
XJ-7. Best version of best girl.

>>44460996
Both the BTL title and bomb loadout gives the y a lot more versatility. I like it with the unhinged astromech, btl, and ions, but the agromech is also a great choice for just a point extra.

>>44460219
What are the deal with those anyway, is there even a turbine? If so does it only work when the wings are together?

My three lists:

"Epsilon Leader" (19)

"Howlrunner" (18) w/ Push the Limit (3)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

Total: 100

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Carnor Jax (26)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

Soontir Fel (27)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

Turr Phennir (25)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

Total: 100

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Carnor Jax (26)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

Soontir Fel (27)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

"Omega Leader" (21)
Juke (2)
Comm Relay (3)
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)

Total: 96

>>44461587
Presumably the turbine is further back in the narrower cylindrical section. The semi circle is just the intake.

>>44460821
Eh, I think I'd prefer a Heavy Blaster repeater instead of scissor Swords.

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Hi guys, we are going to start a new campain in Star Wars Saga Edition, KOTOR era. I played only two sessions few years ago, so i don t' know anything. I want to build a Han Solo like character, but i want him as a mon calamari. Can you advice me for some feats or talents?

>>44461578
Looks like a good option.

That, a base Z-95 and another with missiles for TIE swarms gives 11 free points to work with on the Firespray.

>>44460687
Abrams isn't directing the next two movies though. Even then Disney wouldn't allow that.

>>44461664
Well, you could always just copy the book's build for Han Solo, but that might not work well. You also could take feats based on the Prestige Class you want to go into.

>>44461664
Start off as scoundrel with spacehound for your first talent. If you're going to be the primary pilot, both skill focus (piloting) and vehicular combat probably should be mandatory. Do you want one pistol or two?

Quick interactions question for X-wing. If I toss Ezra Bridger onto an E/2 Keyan Farlander, would Ezra activate before I burned the stress using Keyans ability, or after, or is it a case of I'd have to do it in order to be able to do both?

>>44461759
2 pistols... but i really don't know...

>>44460174
Yuck.

I keep seeing characters in the clone wars forcing enemy vehicles attack other enemy vehicles. How would you let players do that in ffg star wars?

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So, whatever happened to this thing?

>>44461645
Either way, you're still fucking invincible.

>>44461853
We'll probably see that in 8. Can't give out all the new shinies at once you know

>>44460032
>What non-Near Human or human species would you want to be?
Based on looks alone? Twi'lek all day every day. Headpenises rule.

Oh shit i just realized something.
>Twi'lek resistance leader in TCW is named Tran Syndulla
>Hera's last name is Syndulla

Now i know why Hera hates the Empire so much.

>>44461956
But my addiction...

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What capital ships would the Black Sun have access to?

I know they have basically infinite money, but what can that get them? Have they canonically possessed a Dreadnought, Mon Calamari cruiser, Victory Star Destroyer, anything big?

Trying to figure it out for Armada reasons

>>44461771
SAGA is odd in that you are given the option of focusing on one weapon and stacking it up with extras like rapid fire, etc., or dual wield and offset dual wielding penalties by taking more dual wielding feats. Both are feat heavy, but after 3 feats dual wielding goes from a -5 to 0 penalty while things like rapid fire will still cost you -2. If you're not going to be the primary ground combatant, you might not even need to worry about it, just upgrade your pistol for a flat fee with an outlaw tech or boost initiative and go for some sneak attack feats.

Depending on how much Solo you want to go, a dip into Noble for its connections talents might be good to make it easier to get hands on illegal equipment and spice running.

This anon >>44461757 is right in that SAGA is build heavy, so if you do have a prestige class in mind, like Ace Pilot, Privateer, Gunslinger, etc., you should keep in mind their requirements. Look at those and see if you want to take Han Ackbar in any of those directions-SAGA encourages multiclassing, and prestige classes do get better defensive bonuses and force points/level.

>>44462025
Are you involved in all 3 factions yet? Because I just branched out from rebels into the other two, and it's already a glorious mistake.

>>44462057
Black Sun aren't really a Capital Ship kind of organization. They mostly make due with small, fast freighters and maybe a pimped out blockade runner or two to shift illegal cargo.

They work from the shadows and would rather bribe, assassinate or blackmail their enemies than get caught in a ship-to-ship slugging match

>>44462064
ty, mate... i sart looking for your advices.

>>44462079
Not that anon, but I am. Kinda goes with the territory of trying to always have enough stuff to show people how to play.

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>>44462082
I hear ya, that does make the most sense for a criminal organization. Just hoping someone knows some random comic or book where the Black Sun had any sort of ship bigger than a blockade runner.

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So I've painstakingly undercoated these damn TIE squadron TIEs for Armada, are there any variant colour schemes at all or is it really just the Interceptors that get some nice colours? I was hoping to at least paint up Howlrunner's ship and squadron differently but it seems that even she flew just a basic-ass Fighter, not even any extra red stripes or anything for her.

>>44460952
Actually, basic ass TIE Fighters can do some decent shit with high-speed maneuvers such as, I think it's called, Take the Advantage? I dealt a crippling shot to my party's not-Millenium Falcon using that. However, the party should have had someone with high Agi in the gunner seat taking the Fighter out before it could do anything like that.

>>44461596
>basic ass swarm list
Yup, okay?
>stupid ass "wut r turrets?" joke list
I mean if you want to lose every game, sure.
>another three ship list using mostly TIE/In
You have a deathwish, huh kid?

>>44460190
Tempted to sic a Gen'dai Bounty Hunter on my party. Good idea or Bad idea?

Running a tournament with some houserule buffs to the M3-A Scyk. Namely:

>New Title: Mandal Motors Interceptor - 0pts
>M3-A Interceptor only.
>When performing a barrel roll you may use the speed 1 Left Bank or speed 1 Right Bank template instead of the speed 1 straight template.
>When you reveal a turn manoeuvre, you may instead perform a Talon Roll of the same direction and speed. Treat the manoeuvre as a red manoeuvre.

>Revised Title: “Heavy Scyk” Interceptor - 2pts
>M3-A Interceptor only.
>Your upgrade bar gains the Cannon, Torpedo OR Missile upgrade icon.
>Increase your hull value by 1.

Bearing those buffs in mind, I'm going to try running some Scyk based lists. Note that all the M3-As that don't have a title are actually using the above Mandal Motors Interceptor title.

>http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v3!s!112:98,-1,128:-1:-1:;104:140:17:1:U.110;106:105:17:-1:U.-1;107::-1:-1:;107::-1:-1:
>http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v3!s!104:-1:-1:1:;106:27:-1:-1:;106:27:-1:-1:;106:27:-1:-1:;106:-1:17:-1:U.110
>http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v3!s!116:18,-1,-1,38,-1,108:1:3:U.-1;106:27:-1:-1:;106:27:-1:-1:;107::-1:-1:
>http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v3!s!135:140,-1,128:-1:3:;104:105:-1:-1:;107::-1:-1:;107::-1:-1:;107::-1:-1:
Any thoughts?

2 FA Core sets
1 Imperial ace set
1 TIE/fo expansion
1 TIE Interceptor expansion
1 TIE Punisher expansion
1 TIE Fighter expansion

I purchased these from a friend, what can I get to improve this list?

I'm up for more rebel stuff but I do love Imperial.

>>44462561
You're this guy >>44461596 aren't you? If you're staying Imperial you'll want a Firespray and/or Phantom, then you can make a reasonable variety of lists with that stuff.

Anybody flown Asty yet?

Also, what do you suppose a T-85 looks like?

>>44462725
Something like this >>44460174 but a bit beefier honestly seems the next step along, what with that condensed wing span and turbines hunkered in behind the body, partially protected by armour.

>>44460174
T-85 when

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>>44460174
It's sexy af

>>44460122
Should work well.

Comms relay is an interesting choice, and at first glance I thought it was a fuckup until I remembered Red Ace's ability. That's ingenuity, and I like it.

I say go with it, and let us (me) know how it works out for you.

>>44461596
"Whisper"
Veteran Instincts
FCS
Adv. Cloaking Device
39 pts.

Soontir Fel
Push The Limit
Royal Guard TIE
Stealth Device
Autothrusters
35 pts.

"Omega Leader"
Juke
Comm Relay
26 pts.

That feels like the "best" version of your three TIE aces list you keep trying

>>44462968
It's still weak though. Such a barebones Whisper will be targeted down, and then you've only got two other low hull value ships flying around. If you're taking either a Phantom or Interceptor (no need to take both, they fulfill the same role of arc-dodgan and hitting back with some nice attack dice) then you'll want some kind of beefy distraction on the other side of your deployment zone, such as a swarm or Firespray.

>>44460349
BB-8 on a low PS T-65 is pretty "meh". That free barrel roll isn't going to do much for you when most non-generic ships will be activating afterwards.

And B-Wings don't really need Mangler Cannons unless they're name is Ten Numb. If you go for a cannon, make it a utility (speciically the Ion), or give them the firepower of the HLC.


Otherwise, if it's for shits and grins, it will be fine. The color-coded "XABY-build" (Zabby) is a lot of fun to fly.

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WEG Star Wars was the first RPG I've played, in 1989. Besides the official sourcebooks I liked the stuff that from time to time appeared in the Challenge magazine. The unofficial H-Wing from Challenge 35 became a popular ship in our group. It's a heavy fighter, a good choice for escort missions. The H-Wing has a crew of 3: pilot and two gunners. Three players manned the fighter while other two players served as pilot/co-pilot in a YT cargo ship.
I still like this ship so maybe I introduce it as a prototype in an AoR campaign

So yesterday it was mentioned there was a torrent of higher quality FFG supplement scans.

Anyone have a link?

>>44462911
Don't look bad from the ass end. Front doesn't scream X to me much though.

>>44460807
Scum Firesprays are amazing, and far better than their Imperial counter-parts.

Scum Boba basically has built/in rerolls, and does well when thrown into the thick of things. He doesn't need the K4 Droid, but he does love Glittercrack.

Kath Scarlet is a fucking beast, and has earned the nickname "Dat Ass Kath" in my LGS. Give her a K4, and have her kite the opponent around whenever you can. We've seen some really sick combos where she's paired with Palob and given Opportunist, resulting in 6-dice out the back arc, and even once vaporized an unsuspecting Soontir Fel that got caught staring.

Emon Azameen is probably the undisputed troll-bomber of the game. Either the Andrasta title and 3 different bombs, or the Slave-1 for Extra Munitions. Load him up with (only) bombs, and maybe give him Bombadier. You can throw Connor Nets, or Prox mines in people's face all day. He's a lot of fun to fly, but not as much of a competitive choice. His PS is in the goldilocks zone for a bomber, though...

Mandalorian Mercs are your generic, and they're alright. You get PS 5 and an EPT for a base of 35pts. Take these if you don't need a pilot ability, and don't care about higher PS skills, but generally it's best to go for the named.

>>44460122
I've run something similar.

Poe Dameron (36)
T-70 X-Wing (31) / Push the Limit (3) / BB-8 (2) / Integrated Astromech (0)

"Red Ace" (38)
T-70 X-Wing (29) / R2-D2 (4) / Comm Relay (3) / Autothrusters (2)

Gold Squadron Pilot (26)
Y-Wing (18), BTL-A4 Y-Wing (0), Twin Laser Turret (6), R3-A2 (2)

If you don't have a lot of Empire/FO aces teams running around and you don't need the stressbot, I don't see a reason to change from your list

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I got the TFA set last week. Today I bought a TIE Interceptor, TIE Punisher and a b-wing with Barnes and Noble gift cards. Did I do good lads? Thinking of buying a TIE Defender next, is it a good choice?

>>44460963
It's solid. I wouldn't change much. If you get your combo off with Latts (easy to do), then Talonbane will mop thr floor with almost anything. I prefer to keep Latts very bare-bones with just a weapons engineer, but that's just because the Barn is pretty fragile and goes down quick to focused fire.

>>44463241
>TIE Defender
Nononononononono. Good thing you asked first, one of very few ships that never gets used. Simply is not worth the points.

>>44461596
I still like the Epsilon + Howlrunner list.

The three Int list(s) are pretty standard, and fit nicely in 100pts. Ignore the haters, because it's hated for a reason if you fly it well. It is a total glass-cannon, however, and will crumble spectacularly if you're not careful.

>>44463266
Aw, but it looks so cool (in a goofy kind of way)! What should I pick up next then, other than Imperial Aces? Really looking to focus on my Imperial fleet.

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>>44460032

Good 'ol Blackwing. I made an entire set of custom units for the Star Wars Miniatures game based on zombies from it and other Star Wars media.

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/Set/1476/a-galaxy-infested

I also threw in Xenomorphs, for fun.

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Why the fuck is Ello Asty the named pilot in the T-70 expansion?
>muh beastie boys reference
>muh immediate and pointless death

also why the fuck do both of the other T-70 "aces" have no Elite

Jess Pava when

>>44463348

Never, you waifu-loving fanboy.

>>44463266
>>44463333
They're gonna get significantly better come Imperial Veterans.

>>44461763
Since it happens in the dice modifying step, I believe it would be in any order. So you could (unless FAQ says otherwise) use Ezra to turn an eyeball into a crit, and then spend the stress as a focus.

Personally I think Chopper or Hera will be the better copilots for Keyan. Hera because with a FCS and Stay On Target, you won't have to care about actions or how many Stress tokens you're carting around. Chopper as an option would just be for those situations where you end up unable to shoot, and this can't shed your stress.

I think Sabine and Nera Dantel will be good friends...

>>44463333
I'm honestly not sure what exactly to recommend since I don't know what the new TIE Fighter is like, what role it fits... Haven't played against one yet and have no intention on buying it. Maybe a Firespray if you're going to pick up the arc-dodger double pack.

>>44463358
We'll see, I would wait until that comes out to start making calls like that.

>>44462057
They have a bunch of really old, Clone Wars era star destroyers, and whatever they can pick up off the market.

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>>44463341

On a related note, I'm working on a second set of undead, a continuation of A Galaxy Infested, this one called A Galaxy Overrun. I'm looking for more ideas for undead units.

The current list: http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/Set/1509/a-galaxy-overrun

What undead monstrosities would you like to see in Star Wars?

>>44463266
Bullshit.

I've had a lot of success with Vessery and the Tie Mk II Ion, in lists with Advanced and Phantom (with FCS).

The Veterans pack is going to make the thing amazing!

>>44463396
The new TIE has a hard counter to Poe so if your meta features a lot of Poe (hint: probably does) then you might want a TIE/fo x-pac just for Omega Leader and Juke

Otherwise the new TIE is whatever

>>44463463
Right, that's why I've never seen it used. Not even once. I mean good for you if you've found a use for it, but you're a rare minority using the thing.

>>44463478
Eh, I mostly play scum, usually just whip out my Imperials when my opponent is playing Scum.

>>44463396
The new Pho Tie is pretty flexible, and can be made fairly swarmy or surprisingly lethal. The 6 different named pilots each have wildly different uses, from taking a stress to increase attack dice, to ungodly levels of barrel roll shenanigans, to PS 12 when unharme for dirt cheap, to completely shitting all over one specific ship with just a target lock. The FOs are pretty sleek, and a lot of fun to fly.

>>44460478
The one from Spaceballs

guys i'm looking for SWSE character sheet with character art fillable...

>>44463528
It's not a popular ship, and not widely viewed as a competitive one, but don't assume your meta is indicative of its value. Both of it's current aces are mean, but they do require a list built around utilizing them. Vessery innparticular, as you can't just slap him into a Tie swarm, or in with Interceptor aces, and that's why he doesn't get used as much. He does really well with Whisper or Echo if they have FCS, though.

And you will see a lot more Defenders once Veterans comes out. Tie/D title will turn it into the best jouster in the game, with the highest damage to point ratio. And the x7 title is going to make flying them a lot more fun, and give you an evade and point decrease just for going fast.

>>44463670
>your meta
Except I've seen posted all over these threads and other forums that it's an overpriced ship for what it does. Again, it seems to be a majority consensus that it's not worth it.

>>44462872
Hopefully Episode VIII, when the Republic goes YOU DONE FUCKED UP NOW and goes to all-out war with the First Order and gives the resistance the newest, shiniest X-Wangs.

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Find a flaw.

And yes, I spend literally hours looking online for sci-fi images that'd fit perfectly in Star Wars.

>>44463860

English writing, not the Star Wars lingo.

>>44463916
Well yeah, I'm talking overall design here, not painting of the hull.

Isn't English kinda in Star Wars though? I thought High Galactic alphabet is English but it's a near-dead one, like Latin of today.

Jesus Christ KOTOR2 has to be the game with most crashes and bugs I've ever encountered. I'm halfway through and I've counted over 50 crashes/bugs and that's not including the ones I didn't count. Playing with the restored mod, too. That said, it's fun so far but honestly doesn't feel like a Star Wars journey if that makes any sense.

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>>44463960

I remember there being english writing in A New Hope, for the Tractor Beam Power meter or something.

The special editions replaced it with the Star Wars language.

>>44463860
I think it looks a little too sleek and angular, a little too close to contemporary sci-fi. I don't know how to explain it best, but Star Wars ships usually have a certain measure of bulk, jank or multi-dimensional girth. This looks like the fuselage for a Star Wars ship missing its wings or engines or something.

>>44463814
Most of the threads I've seen say it's overpriced if you want a generic low-PS version. But I've seen plenty of people make good use of them, and there has been several threads on FFG's forums about how under appreciated the are. Vessery in particular is a lot of fun to fly.

Bottom line if you run one, you run a named and build for it. But with the Veteran pack, all that's about to change. You'll be able to run a 28pt PS 1 generic that gets a free Evade just for taking a speed 3, 4, or 5 maneuver!

>>44464007
>That said, it's fun so far but honestly doesn't feel like a Star Wars journey if that makes any sense.

I have always felt that KoToR1 is much more of a Star Wars game than KoToR2 to it. Everyone is so fast to say "but m-muh writing and m-muh characters and m-muh grey morality"

Fuck that. I have a fucking blast playing KoToR1, it feels like a pulp adventure story put to game form. The characters are fun and memorable, the locations are vibrant and different from each other, the story was great in its simplicity and reliability and it's just all around a wonderful, fun experience.

KoToR2 is just Avellone's frustation with the setting (and his overcompensation for being a beta) written out through his OC.

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>>44463144

It's in Stay on Target, still pretty good has three crew slots and a passenger slot.

>>44463670
What, like this?

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!70:12,109,73:34:17:;79:27,36,46:-1:1:;184:-1:-1:-1:

>>44464076
>Avellone's frustration with the setting

I actually like the deconstruction elements, since it actually looks at what all these wars do to the people of the Galaxy. But what I really like is the tone of the game. Everything is shadowy and mysterious, and what happened in the previous game is almost a legend despite happening only a few years previously. Also something everyone seems to forget is that just because there are people like Kreia saying certain things doesn't mean they are right. As the light side Exile (the old canon option) you basically accept that things don't always go right, but you refuse to let that compromise your ideals of compassion, selflessness, and courage in the face of evil. That's what being a Jedi is all about, and as the main character it's your choice whether to embrace that or not.

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A friend and I have just recently started playing X Wing with the starter set. I enjoyed playing it, but I like the idea of Armada more from a glance. How is the balance in Armada? One of my friends said it favors imperials. I would like to pick up the starter set but I don’t want to get into something that my friends or I will get our ass handed to us if we pick the wrong faction. Also don’t have the funds to make a large mistake, any suggestions? Pic related to what one of my friends wants to play already.

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Who has the best face here?

I wanna say Chewie.

>>44464275
lando has had enough of this chink shit

>>44464275

Lando just cut a huge fart

>>44464261
Well rebels won at worlds this year....

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>>44464275
I like this one.

>>44464087
You know, I hadn't even considered Marksmanship with the D... Interesting. Personally I would recommend against any missiles on the Defender. I find it just doesn't need them, especially when you'll be double-tapping each turn. Also, I would go for an Advanced Cloaking Device over Stealth Device on whisper.

Something like this might work a bit better, but it involves buying the damn Raider. The FO is a good alternative.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!70:27,109,-1:34:17:;78:27,36,-1:-1:9:;149:-1:23:-1:U.124

>>44464187
The thing is, Star Wars as a setting doesn't fucking hold up under ~grey morality~ and ~moral ambiguity,~ especially not the media everyone is familiar with (movies). Star Wars is a setting that features deliberate, canon, black-and-white space magic. Sith don't maybe have a point in the Star Wars universe - they're evil, full stop, with no "wiggle room." That's why they're depicted as cartoonishly evil in the movies. Star Wars as a franchise is aimed at older kids and young teens. It's sci-fi YA that happens to have really cool practical effects for its time, and hella cool starships.

The thing is, kids who liked the YA shit that Star Wars is, narratively, grew up. And when they did they tried introducing stuff to the setting that it can't really support (Grey Jedi, moral ambiguity, philosophical debates about the merit of emotional detachment as it appears in the Jedi Order, etc.) because they'd been to ~college~ and read ~Nietzsche~ and shit.

KotOR 1 captures what it is to be a Star Wars story, even if Revan is both a good and bad guy, because he isn't those things at the same time. He's a good guy, then stops being a good guy to be a bad guy, and then does whatever you choose to do in KotOR - which, by the way, features choices that are basically pure-"good" or pure-"evil," like most of BioWare's terrible games.

KotOR 2 feels like bad Star Wars fanfiction and is so disgustingly overrated it sets off my sperging.

>>44464261
Armada is pretty good. Imperials have a lot more straight-up firepower, while the rebels tend to be more stand-offfish, with better broadsides on their bigger ships. It's still quite new, and has only just received it's first wave.

>>44464343
Top four however did have a Palpmobile with Vader and Baron Fel. The reason it didn't get farther was because it went up against Heaver, who got a super-lucky long-range shot on Vader with his TLT Stresshog. That shut down Vader in one of the opening moves, and allowed Paul to take him out the following turn. Baron is good, and gave Poe a solid fight, but it was an uphill battle the rest of the game.

Brobots also did well, but went up against the runner up, Nathan. Nathan's mvp ship was a 15pt blocker A-Wing, and near-telepathic knowledge of where that damned thing needed to be.

>>44464343
Good to know, just trying to collect as much info as possible before jumping in. Kinda new to this and have been skeptical since being convinced to invest into another tabletop top that was horribly unbalanced despite being reassured it would be. Looking up battles kinda works, but I doubt my ability to play as well as them and really just want to be able to play for fun sometimes and not lose all my ships and the opponent loses none over picking one wrong weapon or ability on a ship.

>>44464551
>KotOR 2 feels like bad Star Wars fanfiction and is so disgustingly overrated it sets off my sperging.

Fucking THIS

THIS so fucking hard

>>44464422
>buying the damn Raider

Fuck that dropping the missile and upgrading to Epsilon Ace.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!70:12,109,-1:34:17:;79:27,36,46:-1:9:;189:-1:-1:-1:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thought_bomb
I still can't wrap my mind over a literal Force nuke.
That reminds me, does force grenade exist as well?

>>44463860
>flying cars in 2088

hahahahaha

There won't even be cars by then. or cities.

>>44464560
I was actually talking about the Armada finals Anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_jSB9AZXLQ

We are playing Edge of the Empire now.

I am playing a droid who specializes in blaster fights and charisma related shit named 5L-1CK.

>>44464583
woah there sperg.

>>44464639
so it's the same game but with capital ships as the mainstay instead of fighters?

>>44464643

I will hard-fuck you, anon

>>44464659
No.

It's twice as expensive.

>>44464590
I like that one better. Epsilon Ace is more likely to get a target lock off first for Vessery.

I just wish the new Advanced love didn't come in that fucking $90 kit. Juno's cool, and I like the x1 title. But that fucking raider is just wasting shelf-space for me. I need to play more epic games.

>>44464659
It's actually very different at it's core, the most similar aspect would be the list building of choosing a version of a ship and even then there's only ever two and then plugging upgrades in.

>>44464621
>car

This isn't a car.

>>44464672

woah there

>>44464659

It is, in many ways, the exact opposite game. Play is a lot more deliberate with more moving parts. Literally. A lot of little moving parts. My inner 5 year old loves that shit.

It is pretty dope if you like slugging matches between giants.

>>44464639
Ah, nevermind. I didnmt catch the Armada Worlds. Interesting to hear Rebels won.

>>44464703

You're right, it's magical apparition. 2080 will be among the worst decades to be alive in the history of the human race.

>>44464551
>KotOR feels like bad Star Wars fanfiction and is so disgustingly overrated it sets off my sperging.

fixed that for you :^)

>>44464692
Yeah Coltez makes me moist, just feels like he's ripe for so much silly shit.

>>44464729
>TFA
fixed.

>>44464729
Even though I enjoy KotOR mostly due to nostalgia, I agree that it feels like fanfic, because the entire Old Republic setting feels like fanfiction (because it, uh, is).

The difference is that it at least feels competent and Star-Wars-y. KotOR 2 is fucking terrible, and having to hear people talk about how ~deep Kreia is, man, what a compelling villain~ for literally years now is beyond annoying

>>44464551
>Grey Jedi
I always thought they're just Jedis that don't play by-the-book, instead of morally ambiguous Jedis.
Or was that the Dark Jedi?

>>44464551
But Kreia isn't gray, she's a dark sider. She's using her powers to hide her alignment and manipulate you. All that Nietzche shit? It's Dark side and gives you dark side points. Just because she has a more nuanced view that is more about end goals than KILL EVERYTHING doesn't make her good aligned by any means.

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>>44464751

>>44464659
I play both, they are really drastically different. Upgrades play a much bigger role, no ship can get away with being vanilla. The point of the game is damage mitigation, not out right avoiding all damage. You have to plan several turns in advance and fly really deliberately. Missions are built into the rules. Lastly, positioning matters a lot.

>>44464551
Consider the fact Grey Jedi generally refers to Jedi who don't get along with the rest of the Order. Qui-Gon was considered a Grey Jedi by many for his constant disagreements with the Council.

When you get down to it, it's not even Black and White Morality. The Force has a lot of ways of interpretation, but the Dark Side is a constant.

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Okay, >>44463241 reporting in. I tried making a list with my Empire ships. This uses only things I have right now - gonna pick up the Aces pack soon enough.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!28:-1:-1:-1:;144:36,126,1,-1,-1,-1,127:-1:17:;184:147:-1:-1:;184:147:-1:-1:

What do you think?

>>44464805
Grey Jedi at this point is pretty much shorthand for "Jedi I don't like." Qui-gon is arguably a Grey Jedi and is generally considered a cool character and definitely a good guy. It's a "break the code when it's necessary to do so" philosophy that makes sense but could definitely lead you on a bad path of you get all angsty about it.

>>44464804
This man gets it

>>44464805
>>44464807
That's my point, though. Present company notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure everyone who has ever met an Obsidian fanboy/KotOR 2 fanboy has had to put up with how "nuanced" and "morally ambiguous" Kreia/Traya is, and FWIW the narrative tries to present her that way, as well. She's just straight up fucking evil. Star Wars doesn't have room in its morality for ethical quandaries - there is always a Right Thing To Do, and that's just the way it is.

>>44464815

Lotta spergs being triggered today.

Learn to hide your spectrum level, literally.

I can't wait to see you spergs flip the fuck out over VIII and IX, considering the Visual Dictionary makes a big todo about Kylo being considered a perfect confluence of dark and light by Snoke.

>>44464867
>Qui-gon
>generally considered a cool character
Maybe if you were into EU stuff, most people I know don't really give a shit about Qui-gon assuming they even remember him.

>>44464852
>The Force has a lot of ways of interpretation, but the Dark Side is a constant.
Is that why Jedi's lightsaber colors can range from blue to yellow to purple], while Sith's always stuck with red?

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>>44464659

>>44464944

it's a children's franchise and the children need to be told who the bad guys are since they can't tell from their actions alone since violence solves all problems no matter what morality you have.

>>44464928
>Not liking based Liam Neeson giving the finger to the council

It's like /tg/ has to hate every element of the prequels. It's a character who's who schtick is sticking it to the Jedi Order for exactly the reasons /tg/ hates them.

>>44464980
Yeah that's what i said.

Movement dials, shot tracking, asteroids, completely dependant on dice rolls, Same game.

>>44464852
>>44464867
My familiarity with Star Wars is chiefly in video games, miniatures, a few roleplaying tabletops, and (of course) the movies. I'm a diehard fan of the Star Wars cinematic universe. Why I bring this up: "Grey Jedi" means different things to different people, apparently. Qui-Gon telling the council to chew on his balls while he trained Anakin anyway is "grey" in the sense that he's flouting a direct imperative, but Qui-Gon is never depicted as morally ambiguous because he isn't actually morally ambiguous. He's a good guy in the narrative. Nowhere in Episode I does the movie ever try to entertain the idea that Qui-Gon is more "neutral" than "good."

But in Legends/EU material and (god help me) the old SWTOR RP community, people played "grey" Jedi all the time - Jedi who could tap into "both sides" of the Force, or who had super-nuanced philosophical views for Star Wars characters that have much more in common with present-day Earth than a galaxy far, far away. Then they'd produce all of these dumb horseshit precedents of ~morally ambiguous Jedi/Sith~ and you bet your ass Kreia/Traya was brought up every single time.

I fucking love Star Wars, man. But those kinds of characters just don't work in this setting. They're pulp stories. Even the most ~roguish~ of our heroes is a guy whose worst on-screen act is to shoot a guy who was already going to try to kill him. This isn't Sin City.

>>44464983
Most people here weren't old enough to see the prequels when they first came out. It was over 15 years ago.

>>44465025
Ah yeah, most people do get their opinions from the internet.

>>44464983
>>44464904

samefag.

>>44464898
>I'm pretty sure everyone who has ever met an Obsidian fanboy/KotOR 2 fanboy has had to put up with how "nuanced" and "morally ambiguous" Kreia/Traya is, and FWIW the narrative tries to present her that way, as well. She's just straight up fucking evil. Star Wars doesn't have room in its morality for ethical quandaries - there is always a Right Thing To Do, and that's just the way it is.

It's not even that within the narrative of KOTOR 2 she's supposed to be morally ambiguous, it's that even WITHIN that attempt to paint her sympathetically, SHE IS STILL FUCKING EVIL.

-She mindfucks everyone she comes across
-She resurrects not one but TWO villains just so they can continue fucking with the party (one in full view of the party, gotta love that camera angle that shows everyone fifty feet away and facing her while she does it0
-She blows up droids because ????
-She tricks the player into gathering three remaining Jedi Masters just so she can kill them
-She is literally a fucking Sith Lord
-She tries to trick the player with that super Force bond shit so that they won't drop her like a hot rock
-She talks like Baby's First Book on Nietzsche (not that Nietzsche is evil, it's that people who READ Nietzsche tend to come away with the wrong idea)

>>44464928
>the Visual Dictionary makes a big todo about Kylo being considered a perfect confluence of dark and light by Snoke.
That makes literally no sense, but whatever. I've come to terms with our new Disney overlords making fanfiction.

>>44465008
the way things move and interact are very different

>>44464898
That's my whole point though: the journey of a good character in the game is seeing her present her argument about light and dark and rejecting it because it's not the Right Thing to Do. All her manipulation are evil regardless of how she justifies them in her head, and anyone who thinks her path is the true way of the Force is too trapped in their philosophy 101 class to see her darkness. It's easy to be good in KOTOR 1 because the line is obvious; in KOTOR 2 the line is blurrier but that doesn't mean that good and evil don't exist.

>>44464928
Kylo isn't a confluence of anything as depicted in Episode VII, though. He's the same as every other Jedi/Sith that has swapped sides. There is a Good Guy version of the character and a Bad Guy version of the character and ne'er the two shall meet. Good Guys may angst and Bad Guys may briefly flag in their convictions, but you can't really be both at the same time. Anakin is a Good Guy who becomes a Bad Guy who then re-becomes a Good Guy. Luke is a Good Guy who is briefly tempted by the Bad Guy side, but chooses to remain a Good Guy. Kylo Ren is a Bad Guy who is briefly tempted by the Good Guy side, but chooses to remain a Bad Guy.

This isn't very hard to figure out. Light/Dark Side basically functions like a switch you flip in a person. That's just Star Wars. Kylo has no "light" to contribute to this "confluence" - all he's done is kill his dad, a bunch of civilians, and some computer monitors. There's nothing Light Side about him.

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>>44465062
I'm afraid not friend.

>>44465112
Photographs haven't been evidence since the early 80's.

Nice try.

>>44464983
I don't know man, one scene where he disagrees with a bunch of assholes doesn't really make him memorable or cool. He has more screentime than Ben in ANH but somehow comes off less impressive.

I don't hate him, the EU material does make him pretty cool. But most people don't really care about him.

>>44465025
>>44465051
I did see Phantom Menace in theaters when I was six, but I watched the VHS before bed every night till I was nine to help me sleep.

Also
>if you disagree with me you just got your opinions from the internet
try harder

>>44465095
No, no, the internet told me Kylo being conflicted and mentioning "the light" at one point makes him a deep and interesting character which 100% excuses him for being an incompetent and tensionless villain.

>>44465143
>Also
>>if you disagree with me you just got your opinions from the internet
>try harder

You'd rather i lower myself to the level of this board and call you an autist instead? You don't have the high ground, annie.

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>>44464928
>>44465074
>Visual Dictionary
Is that the same book that gave us this?

>>44465008
>Movement dials
Nope, no movement dials. Command dials can issue a movement command which improves your maneuverability that turn and gives you the option to change speed, but it is just one of 4 commands you can pick. Another big thing about command dials is the bigger the ship, the more of them you have, and you have to stack them so a medium to big sized ship has to plan 3 turns in advance.
>shot tracking
Most ship battle games do shot tracking. The difference here is all 4 of your arcs can take a shot and depending on what side you're firing from, you have different firing values. Depending on which side of them you're shooting, they have different shields.
>completely dependant on dice rolls
Dice are another thing that's just a part of most minis games. You can't call that a similarity. There are however no defense dice in this game and a lot more ways to rig your own dice to be consistently what you want. I have a 6 ship list where each ship can guaranteed deal out at least 3 damage a turn.

Dice are also kinda cool as you have 3 different dice for 3 different kinds of attacks. Red dice are long range attacks. Lowest chance of hitting and pretty generic. Blue dice are medium and have a result on every side, but no big payoff like a double hit. Black dice which mostly only work super close range but have a lot of double hits.

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I dunno about now with the update

but people are saying you HAVE to bring upgrades in Armada itt

My 3 Victories with Motti laugh at you

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>>44465025
>Most people here weren't old enough to see the prequels when they first came out. It was over 15 years ago.
I vaguely remember seeing ANH at the drive in with parents, but it was late and I passed out halfway through. ESB and ROTJ I remember better as went to theatre with dad and I was a bit older.

>>44465181
Attacking the source instead of refuting the argument is shitposting.

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I know you guys probably hear this a lot, but what's the best way to get into X-Wing? I figure I should get the core set, sell/trade the ships I don't need, and then build from there?

>>44464860
I'm not sold on cluster bombs. The fact that they only deal damage on hits, and not crits, has bit me in the ass once.

>>44465226

Prove it.

>>44465143
Kylo is interesting to me because of how he fits into the metanarrative - if we accept the viewing that TFA is a soft-reboot/remake of ANH (which is pretty much fucking is), we wind up with:
- Rey as Luke
- Finn as Han
- Poe as Leia + Wedge
- Hux as Tarkin
- Kylo Ren as Vader
- Han as Obi-Wan
- Chewbacca as Chewbacca
- BB-8 as R2-D2
- Leia as The Old Guy From The Yavin Base

Given that reading, having Kylo Ren being a shitty villain is cool if Episode VIII can somehow follow up on it. Rey is better than 4chan thinks she is but is undoubtedly at least a mild Mary Sue. She just is. I want to see Episodes VIII and IX featuring her either becoming evil so the heroes have to overcome her, or having Kylo Ren undergo the usual hero's journey shit - episode VIII is just him believably training and honing his skills until he can kick Rey's ass in the climactic lightsaber duel.

When you set up a character as "strong" as Rey is and as "weak" as Kylo Ren is, the only interesting direction to take the plot in features the OP character from movie 1 either losing in movie 2 (to re-establish tension if you lost it or raise the stakes) or dying or becoming evil, or something.

If the entire New Trilogy is just Rey kicking everyone's ass, that will be a TREMENDOUS failure, but as of right now I'm giving Kylo Ren and TFA my tentative seal of approval.

Yeah, I know, I'm too much of a SW fanboy. It's true.

>>44465231

BUY. ABSOLUTELY. EVERYTHING.

That's what I do, and I don't even play the game!

>>44465231

have a friend with lots of disposable income.

that's about it.

>>44465215
I've melted 3 upgraded Motti victories before, you think I can't do it to your pathetic zero upgraded ships? You're hurting no one but yourself by putting not even a title on some of those.

>>44465074
>It's not even that within the narrative of KOTOR 2 she's supposed to be morally ambiguous, it's that even WITHIN that attempt to paint her sympathetically, SHE IS STILL FUCKING EVIL.

I think people forget that really the only one who says she is not evil is Kreia, and she's clearly not trustworthy for all those reasons. Hell even your vision in the cave has her as blatantly evil. All the bad guys have reasons for why they do stuff, so in Kreia's view she's better than both Jedi and Sith but really she's just a sneaky bitch.

>>44465025
I remember when they came out. I'm sure there are quite a few others on here that do, as well. This is /tg/, afterall. Our demographic tends to have more above drinking age.

I just realized buying a non-career specialization in FFG costs 30 xp instead of 20 (if it's your second one).

God fucking damn it.

>>44465263

Most people can remember things from age 4 and up, so remembering when they came out is nothing special.

>>44465231
The Core Set is only three ships, and it's cheap enough to where people probably won't buy yours unless you undercut crazy-badly. Just get a Core Set (one of each, probably, or if you only want one get TFA) and play the X-Wing and the TIE pair to get a feel for the workhorse ships of a given faction.

Then, if you like having better starfighters at the expense of having more expensive pilots, you'll probably play Rebellion/Resistance. Soontir Fel players can suck my dick, Wedge and Poe are better than him.

If you like playing swarms of guys, try TIEs.

If you want to fuck with Large ships, get a Falcon and/or a Slave I.

If you want to insist that Guri is a good ace, buy Scum and Villainy and lose every game you play to Fat Han/Poe lists and TIE swarms.

>>44465253
I though X-Wing was the cheap one? Because if it's gonna suck my wallet like a $5 dollar hooker I'll just wait for Forge World to get around to Battlefleet Gothic.

>>44465263
>This is /tg/, afterall. Our demographic tends to have more above drinking age.

Not sure I believe that but I saw them in theaters as a kid as well for what it's worth.

>>44465303
Poe's only better because he's a promotion for the movie.

Fuck those players.

>>44465305

It's a miniatures game, from Disney's Star Wars Brand. Of course it's expensive. You can play it on Tabletop simulator, but most people just buy the minis because they like the pussy repellant clogging their shelves and not so much the game.

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>>44465303
Could I get two of one? Because having 2 different X-Wing types will trigger my autism.

>>44465342
get used to it. most people play rebels because "ew bad guys lol ur so edgy!"

>>44465338
>X-Wing is expensive
whee ha, time to get a job anon

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>>44464086
FFG, H-Wing when?

>>44465374
How much do you pay for rent and car insurance?

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>>44465353
No, I meant two different types of the actual X-Wing ship, one of the old ones, and one of TFA type. Having an old X-Wing and a new one is kinda weird. I don't mind having some TIE fighters lying around.

>>44465251
I kinda want to see Kylo to survive throughout the trilogy, alive in the end but suffers for his actions.

>>44465395

And i meant get used to it because poe was made op to sell the new kits to promote the new movie, so he's in almost every rebel list.

There were two in world's final this year.

>>44465342
TFA doesn't have enough ships/pilots to have only T-70s as your squad, but TFA has the best pilot in the game (Poe). If you are okay with mix-and-matching different generations of ships as long as they're not X-Wings, you could get two T-70s and a B-Wing, or a Y-Wing, or something.

If you want to play just X-Wings, you'll want the original Core Set and the X-Wing expansion at the very least. Luke, Wedge, and R2-D2 in your T-65s is a good starting point. Then get Rebel Aces.

If you want to fly Empire/First Order, get two TFA Core Sets and a TIE/fo expansion, then run a swarm with Omega Leader as your centerpiece.

Then just keep buying shit until you have a few armies that you enjoy a bunch.

>>44465398

Why? Nobody else is brought to justice for their actions.

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>>44465415
Well shit. I thought this game was balanced?

>>44463386
Thanks anon, appreciate it!

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>>44465423
>Then just keep buying shit until you have a few armies that you enjoy a bunch.

When you obsess over crude matter, you have lost your way.

>>44465398
Star Wars doesn't work that way. He'll either die a bad guy or be redeemed back to the Light (and probably die in the process).

I do think the new trilogy would be interesting even if we just got a "Kylo Ren is redeemed without dying" subplot, just so we can see in movie form a formerly Dark Side character dealing with the ramifications of their actions before they came around.

>>44465415
butthurt Soontir Fel player detected

>>44465433
It's mostly dependant on dice rolls and how much you spend.

Every year they release new ships so you have to buy new stuff. It's no different than any other Collectable Game, like Magic.

>>44465460
Attacking the source instead of refuting the argument is shitposting.

>>44465433
It essentially is really balanced, and player skill is still the deciding factor in match-ups. More to the point, Empire/First Order has a straight-up hard counter to Poe in Omega Leader, so if you're seeing Poe in too many lists at your local shop, build Omega Leader and kill him.

Everyone complaining about Poe didn't seem to be bitching when Soontir Fel was the unquestioned top-dog Ace, so everyone who's bitching now is probably a shitlord Empire main. Ignore them.

>>44465463
>inb4 hurr he doesn't know shit
>inb4 the first bait image that comes up on google

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>>44465449
>When you obsess over crude matter, you have lost your way.

He with the most and biggest toys wins!

>>44465472
"Poe is OP!!!" is such a dumb argument that it deserves no refutation, hth

>>44465485

Did you watch world's? Literally dice rolls were all that mattered. It doesn't matter how good you are, you're going to get into arc eventually and then it's up to the dice to give you evades to their hits.

>>44465504
Stop shitposting.

>>44465510
That's because both players were really good? Because it's World's? That isn't the shit that goes down at your local shop. If you think "dice" is what's separating you from a pro player, I don't know what to tell you.

>>44465536
You just admitted that when skill is equal that it's up to the dice rolls.

GG.

>>44465536
He said dice and money.

Also copious amounts of free time. Those kids still lived at home. The kid playing corn horn literally had his dad pay for everything.

>>44465510
>it's up to the dice to give you evades to their hits.
You really don't know shit about this game, do you? How many times do I have to say it, there's no defense dice.

>>44465546
>at the highest level of play there is a narrow gap in player skill
>that's when the random elements factor in the most
>implying that you would be Paul Heaver if dice liked you more
>implying that everyone at your X-Wing night has about the same skill
>understanding what "balanced" means

>>44465566
Shit, woops, I thought that was the Armada guy again. Wrong chain of replies, sorry.

>>44465253
This. And prepare your anus for when you get addicted to Disney Infinity 3.0.
My God Disney is killing me slowly.

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I guess this just shows that while the system may change, players don't. Still arguing over balance, who's OP, who's not. Anyways, I'll start with a core set, maybe 2, add some ship when I get a feel for things. Thanks for the tips all ya'll.

May the Force be with you

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>>44465566

In X-wing?

Well, at least i don't have to make an argument that you're intentionally dishonest.

>>44465573
Random is not balanced. Go back to smash brothers.

>>44465591
>watching TFA
>bottom blaster on the falcon gets damaged
>"Oh well i guess we can't shoot anymore"

Did they forget it has another turret? Or did they have to show us how great mary sue is at piloting an extremely difficult to pilot craft, where you're so far off from the center of mass that it's unlike anything you'd ever flown before?

>>44465584
>>44465599

I take back the dishonest accusation.

>>44465610
>all CCGs are inherently imba
>all dice games are inherently imba
>DotA is imba

lmao, also I want to see these magical games you're playing where everyone is always exactly the same skill level and only the dice determines the outcome

why didn't you go to world's? no motivation? i mean it's just random if you win or lose! you could've been champion!

>>44465670
>dota has random chance

Spoken like a true scrub. Stick to HotS.

>>44465670
A crit in dota doesn't reduce the level of a character to 0 like it can in X-wing.

Try again.

>>44465640
I can't help but feel the moving to the other turret would have been a great way to get his neck broken in that high intensity atmospheric dogfight.

I get it bro, you hate Rey and any display of competence or gift of good luck she gets but cool your jets.

>>44465510

Did YOU watch worlds?

The 2nd place finisher made a HUGE maneuver mistake in grand finals and then he lost.

The dice had nothing to do with it. Good rolls might have bought him a few extra turns, but the game was essentially over once he turned Corran away without shooting.

>>44465697
>I get it bro, you hate Rey and any display of competence or gift of good luck she gets but cool your jets.

Attacking the source instead of refuting the argument is shitposting.

>>44465640
I dunno if you've ever done it, but climbing up a ladder during flight is pretty hard.

>>44465640

What >>44465697 said. Unstrapping during maneuvers is a great way to get banged up.

>>44465594
Don't let dumb arguments dissuade your interest. X-Wing is a game that features dice, sure, but like any other such game that includes some elements of random chance (read: most games), the randomness is usually the least important factor.

Check: who's better? They usually win. If the two players are about the same skill, are there any obvious hard counters, like a stressbot to beat aces or an Omega Leader for Poe? The one with the counter usually wins. Are the players the same skill with no obvious counters? Okay, now luck begins to play the major factor in who wins. But the likelihood that both players have similar skill with the same squads is vanishingly slight, so don't worry about it.

Get cool ships and have fun. There's a "what to buy next" in the OP.

The Force will be with you. Always.

>>44465721

Repeating the same thing over and over again without actually providing a counter-argument of substance is shitposting.

>>44465710

Why did he lose? Because he didn't roll evades on those kill shots.

The End.

>>44465721

But there's no point in actually arguing with people who just mad.

>>44465681
>Chaos Knight exists

whew lad, take it easy, I vastly prefer DotA to LoL or HotS, but random chance exists

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>>44465728
Will do Anon, will do.

>>44465737
Here's a guy who lost an argument!

>>44465721
Stating outrageous bullshit is shitposting. Demanding others take your outrageous bullshit is shitposting. Repeatedly demanding everyone else take your outrageous bullshit is super-shitposting.

>>44465727
>>44465725
>>44465697

It's a good thing that rey sue was such a good pilot with years and years of asymmetric ship flying then.

Otherwise the falcon would have crashed, especially if gravity was on in that scene. You know how fast that thing would have fallen if she had cut power? It'd be in the ground in two seconds flat.

>>44465737

lol no
absolutely not.
I hope for your sake that you're trolling because if you're not, you're just garbage.

>>44465721
Did... Did you read the first sentence?

It this what it's like to be trolled?

>>44465763
>>44465745
>>44465740

Shitposting

>>44465610
Well if everyone plays to the same random rules, it's balanced. It mitigates skill, but it's balanced. In any case, no one will deny there's no random chance in X-Wing. I won't at least. It's just that skill in piloting, metagame in upgrade and ship choice, and general knowledge of the game tends to play a bigger role in the game. There's a reason there is a reigning champ.

>>44465433
It actually is prety balanced. The most extreme cases for "optimal builds" that you have to shell out money for, are Tie Advanced needing the Raider, Interceptors needing/wanting the Imp Aces and Starviper cards. Buttmads like to say the game's pay2win, or lopsided, but it's quite elegantly balanced with subtle adjustments here and there. And it's far, far cheaper than any ccg, or the vast majority of miniature games. And it's nowhere near as infuriating as collectible miniature games. The players who seem to be the most bent out of shape about it, tend to be the ones who take the game way too seriously, or refuse to play anything beyond one faction, and chalk their defeats up to Imperial "ace-wing", Rebel turret or shield regeneration bulshit, or Glittercrack/Brobots. All sides are a blast to play, and most ships have many different ways they can be built.

If anything, the current ships having the biggest issues right now, are:
-M3-A Scyk for scum (too expensive, too brittle)
-T-65 X-Wing (T-70 has a fix, but named pilots are good)
-Tie Advanced (needs $90 purchase of Raider for fix)
-E-Wing (expensive, only Corran Horn is good)
-Starviper (generics are bad, Guri and Xizor have a high learning curve, but are good).
-Tie Defender (high learning curve, fix coming soon)
-Tie Bomber (ordnance is slowly gettinf better, fix coming soon)

Just about every other ship is solid. The thing to remember is that this is a FFG system. They are loathe to redesign an existing kit, and are building the system similar to their living card games. Meaning no "editions", rules are free online, and all previously released products are still valid.

>>44465766
It was literally the only bit of fancy flying she did in the whole film, everything else was just knowing the terrain, and it was a satisfying conclusion to a good dogfight. I'm going to stop replying to you now.

>>44465774
The falcon has internal gravity and inertia cancellers. Explain how he would be flung about. When do we see C-3po flying around in the back of the falcon as it dodges asteroids in empire?

Oh right, comedic effect that trumps every other scene in the series. Lando didn't have to brace himself when he went to the lift as leia was banking in to save luke from the underside of bespin.

It's not my fault Disney doesn't know shit about the setting.

>>44465790
>no one will deny there's no random chance in X-Wing

That's exactly what everyone is doing though.

So the more I think about it the less I think we'll see a Black Leader T-70 or a Rey for the YT-1300 anytime soon unless FFG does their first-ever cross-faction expansion. We got cards for minis that weren't in Most Wanted, so that's not without precedent, but the two things we're "missing" from TFA are a paint job for the X-Wing and the Special Forces TIE. The Special Forces TIE might get it's own pack, maybe, but we already have a T-70 pack and Poe is in the Core Set. Unless FFG does a "The Force Awakens Aces" pack or something, we probably won't get Black Leader, the Special Forces TIE, or a Rey for the Falcon.

So you better get to painting those T-70s in your core set orange and black.

>>44465818
No, what everyone is doing is refuting your idiotic claim that random chance is the sole deciding factor in who wins or loses. But then, you're a troll.

>>44465835
It is the sole deciding factor. If all hits were guaranteed, it wouldn't be. But you can maneuver for days and unless you get those hits it doesn't fucking matter.

>>44465818
I feel like you're just misreading most of it, but I only jumped in now. Dice are dice, but other factors play much bigger roles than you're making them out to be.

>>44465803
>inb4 there's no gravity in space

>>44465594
One of each core sets is a good way to go. Or double up on one or the other. The only difference are the ships themselves, the upgrade cards, and the TFA box has a more well-rounded damage deck. The damage deck in the older set is better for generic swarms. It tends to be a bit more brutal against ace pilots, or ships with turrets/cannons.

>>44465848
Those factors at most mitigate the power of the dice. But if 3 shots are countered by 3 evades then it doesn't matter for that round how you maneuvered.

I still like the game, but it is an inherent flaw of simulating pilot actions in the moment with randomized dice rolls.

>>44465803

This isn't the same Falcon that was in the asteroid belt-- this is the one that has been sitting on a desert junkplanet and is described by a character with overt knowledge of mechanics as "garbage". We are shown BB8 getting tossed around like a ragball during the flight which informs us what would happen to Finn if he unstrapped.

>>44465803
C-3PO is sitting during that scene. Also Han gets something dropped on him from getting hit by asteroids during that fight.

>>44465871
>>44465845
Man you should play Bloodbowl it's right up your ally.

>>44465871
You don't maneuver with one turn of firing in mind, especially when you factor in multiple ships, which you only ever seem to talk about 1v1.

>>44465874
So you're saying they were killed by the acceleration that took them into space, or when they go into hyperspace? Amazing that she didn't mention that when she noticed everything else that was malfunctioning.

Or are the inertia cancellers working just fine?

Like i said, the bb-8 shit was just for comedic effect and it doesn't mesh with the canon of the rest of the movies.

Neither finn nor rey were strapped in, btw.

Keep making excuses for bad filmmaking.

>>44465766
She drags the falcon across the ground and couldn't even get it stabilized in the air until it was moving at a good clip.

>>44465896

Sitting nullifies G-force now?

>>44465868
FWIW my shop makes me use the new damage deck in my games. Not sure if that's actually in the official rules, but there it is.

>>44465914

She could have never flown it into the star destroyer because she has no experience flying the thing and it's impossible to judge where the left side of the falcon is without an immense amount of experience.

Try driving a semitruck without mirrors. It's less than a 1/10th as difficult. Not to mention that being so far out on the side of the thing would make any judgements from intuition nearly impossible.

All you can say in her defense is her mary sue powers.

>>44465903

Shut the fuck up and turn off your brain, you pathetic nerd. You're supposed to enjoy STAR WARS because STAR WARS stuff is happening, with the falcon and ties and the targetting system and stuff just like the old one. IT'S STAR WARS. STOP THINKING.

Christ just stop replying to both of them, they want to believe what they're saying far too hard.

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>>44465874
It's a shame Finn can't autostrap himself to every direction to survive Rey's wonky maneuvers.

>>44465903

You've got me dead to rights. I guess I feel bad now about enjoying a movie which eschews realism in favor of fun.

I will perform the penitent march of the neckbeard, sir, please don't hurt me with your superior taste!

>>44465942
>it's real
>no it isn't
>YES IT IS
>no it isn't
>FINE TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN

Jeez.

>>44465898
Bloodbowl does require some skill and proper assessing of what is the riskiest, most rewarding play.

It's also the only good GW they ever fucking made. But like any of their games, balance is right out the window.

>>44465960
Not the guy you're responding to, but acting like a little shit isn't improving the quality of the thread.

>>44465939
She's force sensitive. She literally has magic psychic subconscious powers.

>>44465967

You should know that I'm not the guy you replied to

I made it pretty obvious

>>44465939

>All you can say in her defense is her mary sue powers.

Well, if the Force is mary sue powers bro, I'd have to ask you what you were expecting watching the 7th Star Wars movie.

>>44465903
Keep tipping that fedora.

>>44465988
Mary Sue powers. That's what i said.

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>>44465986
>quality of the thread.

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>reading through The Jedi Path
>get to the section on Marks of Contact
>pic related

That's DARK.

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>This whole thread today

I thought /tg/ was better than this. This is literally a /tv/ tier thread right now.

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>>44466013

Yeah, I noticed that too. I've posted it around a few times. The book is full of little nods like that, it's why I love to look through it.

>>44465939
Actually I think you provided ample enough defense. If mary sue poweres was her only defense, she would have blasted off just fine, shot the turrets herself with her perfect teal and maroon hair, made Poe fall madly in love with her wherever he was, and he would have been half correllian, half twi-lek, half dragon, half vulcan, half elf.

>>44465980
Yes I was making a joke by referring to a game with lots of random factors that still depended heavily on player skill.

>>44466022
You should do what I do and never give 4chan's opinions any value. Reduces your stress over a bunch of spergs and trolls.

>>44465820
Black T-70 is guaranteed to show up and will more likely be bundled in a Huge ship as opposed to an Aces/Veteran pack. This helps limit the number people will have around in general but also in a single list while also helping to push big fans to buy a Huge ship when they otherwise might not. TIE/sf will be in a similar manner, you'll get the alternate paint job with a Huge ship or Resistance Aces pack, and then it will include the necessary cards to upgrade a TIE/fo into a TIE/sf.

YT-1300 Rey is the only thing that doesn't have a real place without a Most Wanted-style set.

>>44466022
Don't worry anon soon there will be so new super popular thing happening so all the people who hate fun will jump ship and devote their powers to hating on that instead.

>>44466051
Meant "First Order Aces pack" for the TIE/sf, obviously.

>>44466049

You contradict yourself.

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>>44466027
Yeah, this one is also amusing.

Sidious's notes are kinda edgy though.

>>44466013
>>44466027

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58JwbQCnpmA

Ben is such a cunt

>>44466040

Nice copypasta but your definition of mary sue is not accurate in the least.

>>44466062
No. It's always like this because people become garbage when their opinions are challenged.

>>44466080
And I don't care.

>>44465820
>the only Lego X-Wing is Poe's, no generic
>the only FFG X-Wing is generic, no Poe's

to live is to suffer

>>44466101
That much is obvious.

>>44466045
Nevermind then, my bad...

>>44466062
But there' going to be so much Star Wars now, when Rouge comes out we'll have to listen to how that was the worst thing ever. Then in about half a year it'll be VIII time and that'll be the worst thing ever and it'll have Rey in it who's already a well established target. We're getting year instalment of something Star Wars every year for the foreseeable future so they will be back so often it'll feel like they never left.

>>44466099
It's only been like this since TFA came out. Mainly cause a bunch of spergs and trolls keep coming through.

>>44466099
>No. It's always like this because people become garbage when their opinions are challenged.

This. Physical violence irl is the only thing that keeps people from being total shit to each other.

I'm so glad the main character of TFA can do anything and is unstoppable while the villains are incompetent losers, it makes for a really interesting and exciting story.

>>44466083

He's a rite cheeky one, that Kenobi

>>44466137
It's been like this for as long as 4chan has existed.

When you can't get punched, people will say absolutely anything.

>>44466129
Maybe one day you'll realize that you blindly love star wars because of conditioning alone.

>>44466144
>can do anything

Except fire a blaster with the safety on
And not release shoggoths from their cells
And not be attractive

>>44466144

Sounds like you just don't want girls to have strong role models.

You have a heart of broken glass.

>>44466144
>When you can't get punched, people will say absolutely anything

Case in Point.

>>44464736
Stick the title and FCS on him, and go fuck things up. Maybe a good buddy for Vessery?

>>44466178

I'm sorry, I wrote that rather fast

I meant 'be attractive' because she's very ugly

Am I a bad person for liking the Prequels? In some ways I like it more than the original because I grew up with them and only watched the original trilogy so many years later.

>>44466190
We both know you would just hurt your hand.

>>44466167
>blindly love star wars
There's plenty I don't like but I can guarantee you the Star Wars franchise has never annoyed me more than than the 24hr shitstorms that have proceeded it release in this general.

>>44466099
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mary+Sue

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

>The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing.
>She has an unusual and dramatic Back Story. The canon protagonists are all overwhelmed with admiration for her beauty, wit, courage and other virtues, and are quick to adopt her as one of their True Companions, even characters who are usually antisocial and untrusting; if any character doesn't love her, that character gets an extremely unsympathetic portrayal. She has some sort of especially close relationship to the author's favorite canon character — their love interest, illegitimate child, never-before-mentioned sister, etc. Other than that, the canon characters are quickly reduced to awestruck cheerleaders, watching from the sidelines as Mary Sue outstrips them in their areas of expertise and solves problems that have stymied them for the entire series. (See Common Mary Sue Traits for more detail on any of these cliches.)

>>44466201

You're disagreeing with internet opinion, so obviously you are on par with a child molester.

>>44462057
black sun ITSELF probably doesn't have much beyond corvettes in regular use.
however, the mercenaries that they can hire and the pirates who owe them favors have quite a bit; lots of corvettes, frigates, a few carracks and bulk cruisers, maybe a refitted dreadnaught or two, probably something as big as an Venator or old CIS cruiser if they're really digging deep
>>44463860
too sleek, kinda too modern. star wars ships have always been kinda bulky and almost roughly shaped
>>44464805
>>44464852
y'all are correct, but 'gray jedi' is used to refer to shitass 'lol i use both' shit about 100 times more than the proper usage
>>44466022
give it a month to cool down

>>44466229
Those are your sources? For fucking real?

>>44466201
>Am I a bad person for liking the Prequels?

No, of course not Anon. You just have taste that the vast majority of people would consider poor. Now, I'm not using the "most people think this, therefore it is correct" argument, which is a fallacy, but it is a fact at this point that many people consider those films to be rather poor entries in the series due to weak scripts, acting and all-around lackluster presentation. I personally enjoy several aspects of the three films, but that is solely because of the EU that grew from them. The films, on their own, I consider to be extremely weak, and only served as the staging ground for the aforementioned EU material that I enjoy about them.

>>44466190
Are you really so autistic that you'd punch somebody over making that comment?

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This entire page.

Also, Priapulins are basically just giant caterpillars. I don't think he needs footwork.

>>44461805
There's an ability that sort of works like that under the Hotshot specialization in Stay on Target. Technically, it forces a collision, but you could probably fluff it.

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>>44466235
>give it a month

People always have been and always will be shit.

That's why the world is how it is.

>>44466182
Luke wasn't flawless, is he a role model? Why does a role model need to be invincible?

>>44466258

>His form is sloppy and his footwork is nonexistent.
>Look up the Priapulin race
>THEY HAVE NO FUCKING FEET

Dooku you cheeky cunt

>>44466255
If you think only autists have fights then you're just demonstrating how little you leave your comfort zone.

>>44466247
Where else would you get a definition for Mary Sue for fucking real? Oxford?

>>44466235
Kyle is a light side Jedi but he uses Dark Side powers. No big deal really.