/swg/ - Star Wars General - Fear and Loathing in Mos Eisley

>>44329439
So how bout that super death star

>>44329462
I want to stick my dick in it.

[trollish movie rankings]

>>44329462
To quote a different fandom, the theoretical principles were sound. I can't fathom why First Order thought it would be a great idea, seeing how first two Death Stars ended up. Are they just so big Empire fanboys, or did they think third time's a charm?
Still, that visuals when it fired for the first time were really cool.

>>44329503
Indeed. What botherred me the most was that people on other planets in other systems could see it when fired. Wasnt it ftl and in a different part of the galaxy?

>>44329462
>another gigantic superweapon that destroys planets, but is giganticer and destroys harder

fucking WHY

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>>44329327
You gave me a very bad idea

>>44329543
You would think they would want to kill everyone without destroying the planet. Planets are valuable! Why not launch nanobots at them? Or plagues?

>>44329528
If the beam was moving in FTL, perhaps its light was moving in FTL towards other planets as well?

>>44329543
It's the DBZ effect. Roshi could destroy the moon, king piccolo could destroy the planet, vegeta could destroy it harder, frieza could destroy planets even HARDER and so forth.

has anyone thought about the possibility that the rotating senate capital thing was actually thought up as a counter to planet-killers?
if somebody had one, targeting the capital is a logical plan. so if the capital is on bubba VIV rather than planet that people would actually miss, like coursicant, your important military/industrial/bureaucratic centers remain intact even if the senate gets toasted

>>44329583
heh.

>>44329617
Huh. Haven't thought of that, but makes sense to me.

>>44329503
>>44329543

If they put me in charge of Imperial R&D, the name of the game would be developing a planet-destroying munition that could simply be fitted onto any given capital ship in the fleet. It's been very obvious that having a single basket to put all your genocidal eggs in is prone to failure, so why not spread that power out across hundreds of smaller ships?

>>44329587
>Planets are valuable! Why not launch nanobots at them? Or plagues?
because star wars doesn't do nanomasheens, you double /epg/er
and plagues are out because contrary to other sci-fi, building a proper civilization-killing bug is really fucking hard and would almost certainly backfire horribly

>they don't just attach hyperdrive thrusters to pre-existing planetoids and then crash them into targets

>>44329543
Because you don't stop building aircraft carriers because a few planes blow yours up.

You make them cheaper. By just puttibg the gun into an existing planet, and making your first shot the most important.

First Order won. They destroyed the New Republic leadership.

Its like if Luke blew up the Death Star after it blew up Yavin.

>>44329686
>Not making Asteroids blind jump through planets.
barbarian.

>>44329648
Ah, you see, but the thing is, the First Order is run by the Sith, and if my EU-fu doesn't mislead me, the Sith are big on huge, overblown shows of power that have little practical purpose.

Just look at Snoke pffff that name hologramming with Kylo Ren. Was a ten metres tall hologram and hiding in shadows REALLY necessary? Now, but it's a good show of might and power he supposedly wields. The Starkiller is just the same.

If you think of Sith as being less of reasonable people and more of rabid attention seekers and showmen, the "logic" they apply suddenly starts to make much more sense.

>>44329707
That doesn't work it only kills the asteroid.

>>44329503
They did blow up the capitol of the Republic, the republic fleet, and the senate. Seems like it could've worked out worse for them.

>>44329764
True enough.

>>44329543

The better question is why didn't the NO have anybody watching for a counter attack after they fired it.

Ren's bitch fits are the best

>>44329462
Still pales in comparison to the power of The Force

>>44329758
note the 'Asteroids' Plural, simply line all of them up around a planet and jump them through it.

Are there dogs in Star Wars?

>>44329583
I am saving this image to my hard drive
i am driving so hard on this

>>44329649
>/epg/er
What is this?

I dont know about everything in the setting but I do know they have tech to engineer a virus. Or use sith space sorcery to warp an existing one. Hell even setting a few fires would work really well in most of the city planets.

>>44329757
But see, there's a difference between flamboyant displays and just using the exact stratagem over and over despite the fact that it never works out. I'm not questioning the notion of a giant planet-destroyer in a fundamental sense, I'm questioning the notion of building them over and over again despite the fact that they never get off a second shot. Are they ever going to consider a different way of achieving shock and awe? You'd think, at some point, the galactic public just isn't even surprised by that shit anymore.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, I thought the First Order wasn't run by Sith at all. Rather, it's a new group of force-sensitive megalomaniacs.

>>44329757
I thought that was the idea more or less from the start. That's why Malak has Taris destroyed for the lulz and shit like that or why Kreia is trying to 'kill the Force'.

>tfw you wonder how you'd play a showman Jedi
I'm thinking something like a snakeoil salesman or a broadcast faithhealer. But that's obviously a cover during the dark times.
>>44329829
Do you want them to be?

>>44329810
And it does nothing.

>>44329914
>>44329810
Or just drop them from orbit. Enough of that and you are gold.

This is actually a weapon in swtor.

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>>44329893
Yes. I want dogs in fighter ships.

I also want dogs to know the ways of the force.

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>>44329980

So this?

>>44329980
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Canines
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Canine_sentient_species

>>44330003
Yes, but also dark side dogs too.

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>>44329764
>they did blow up the Republic fleet
>the one that they never show us
I hope the utter lack of naval action beyond le action packed TIE escape in TFA was just J.J.'s "signature style" taking precedence, because I want some goddamn capital v. capital fights.

Sheev forbid they slow the pacing of 8 or 9 enough to convey fleet action.

>>44329503
>>44329543
I dont mind the whole super weapon thing, but I think reason people are bashing it is because it's THE SAME superweapon everytime.

What are some ideas for super weapons that doesnt including blowing up planets or suns?

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>>44329980
>>44330047
Dog pilots would be great.
Dog Jedi too Dog Sith the result of abuse because no dog is born evil

>>44330176
Neutrino beam spam. Kill all life but leave all stuff perfectly safe for use.

>>44330176
Something smallier or sneakier. A stealth ship, perhaps.

>>44330176
What else would it be? If we look at our super weapons we've got:

Very large destructive bomb
Even larger destructive bomb
Chemically based destructive bomb
Large destructive virus bomb
Very radioactive destructive bomb

>>44330224
>>44330229
A stealth ship with a neutrino beam?

Like, it jumps out of hyperspace cloaked, then when its fully charged it releases a beam that obliterates all organic life.

But then, it is vulnerable for twenty minutes. The perfect time for a rag tag team of ace pilots to swoop in...

>>44330263
Fair enough. I mean once it shoots everyone on the ground is dead of radiation poisoning.

Could make it small enough to make more than one.

>>44329764
and in doing so royally pissed them off pearl harbor style, and insured they will all hang after the inevitable war crimes trials at the end of this conflict

>>44330156
I hope so as well. Hell they barely showed the new star destroyer and just one. Wouldn't the First Order have s fleet at least pstroling Round their fucking super weapon.

>>44330323

They who? All the leaders of the Republic are dead.

>>44329880
/eclipse phase general/
a game for edgy nanomasheen obsessed wannabe transhumanist faggots
frankly, whenever nanomachines get brought up, especially in relation to star wars, it's either them or the spacebattles "mind uploading and nanomachines are hard sci-fi" fags
>>44329973
fuck off with the "rocks fall everybody dies" shit. it's the goddamn cancer of sci-fi

>>44330365
It is now led by leia. Its a dictatorship again. Go republic.

Any idea if Imperial Assault will receive a Force Awakens themed expansion?

>>44329439
Lets say I'm looking to start a new SW Campaign. I've ruled out WEG as the system I want to run it with, but I'm not sure whether I want to use FFG or Saga.

Is there any real reason to use one over the other? Both have a decent sized collection of content at this point.

It it's at all relevant, it would likely be an Old Republic campaign of some kind.

>>44330383
I dont really care how much it bothers you it is an actual weapon in swtor. It hurls asteroids at planets.

Nanobots are scifi doom aeapons because they could theoretically replicate without end till you turn them off. If programmed right you could evem use them to target specific targets.

Honestly calm down.

>>44329973

Any planet actually worth going through all the effort to set up a colony drop against has enough ground to orbit weapons to smash any attempt. You basically have to destroy the mobile fleets, the orbital battle platforms, the defensive shield(s), and suppress the surface to orbit turbolaser platforms and missile batteries long enough to do it. And honestly, if you have the forces to do that, you probably have enough forces to just take it the old fashioned way.

>>44329799
the amount of broken consoles that he leaves in his wake

Someone post the best new music.

>>44330156
They show the fleet over Hosnian Prime. It disintegrates with the planet.

>>44330491
Okay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCqoVN5d1V4

>>44330459
>Nanobots are scifi doom aeapons because they could theoretically replicate without end till you turn them off
that's called a von neumann machine and it's pretty soft sci-fi especially as nanotech
it's just as much a silly magic superweapon as the death star, and it doesn't even remotely fit with star war's style

>>44329528
>>44329596
Pablo has agreed with my weird hyperspacial lensing explanation.

>>44329649
Uh, yes they do. Explosive nanodroids. Look it up.

>>44329649
Happens several times in the KOTOR comic, and yes it does backfire every single time.

>>44330533
But anon. They already exist in star wars

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nanotechnology

>>44330456
have you looked at them? they are very different mechanically.

>>44330456

FFG's system hangs together much better in my opinion. Some hate the Jon standard dice-- I love them.

>>44330572
Don't bother, he'll just whinge about it being in Legends material and thus no longer canon, as if Disney's approval is the only thing that matters.

>>44330600
>They already exist in star wars
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nanotechnology
>Legends

No, Anon. No, they don't.

>>44330637
Nanodroids are from TCW

They're canon

Ok ok guys heres an idea.

How about we make giant lightsabers and put them on our fighters?

>>44330637
Oh look you are right.
>>44330641

>>44330660

Only if they're transformable as well.

>>44330656
Same with Biological Warfare.

Fucking JarJar Naboo ass episode.

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>>44330660
no

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>>44330679

>>44330670

Funny thing is, I'm not even the guy he was talking about.

I just can't fucking stand you EUtists constantly bringing up shit that never happened.

>>44330679
Why not? It looks like it worked there.

>>44330572
>>44330600
>>44330656
but none of those things are the grey goo planet killers that anon was talking about in the first place

>>44330660
That's actually what the Death Star is, canonically.

The superlaser is arranged around a kyber crystal array.

>>44330406
Hasn't been said, but given each thing is given specific time frames to work with; probably. It'd likely have to be a pretty big deluxe expansion though since a good amount of stuff might not fit into whatever time frame numbers they give Sequel Trilogy stuff. At least not without errata/them saying "just use these figures but use these new cards."

>>44330698
But hes in space.

If anything this makes me think its a great idea.

>>44330698
That should rip his hand off.

>>44330710
...so this entire time the thing was a fucking giant Evil Lightsaber Gun.

>>44330641
Oh, hey, I guessed right. Who would have thought. All hail Disney, the true arbiters of Star Wars Canon material.

>>44330656
I'm honestly glad you proved me wrong, anon. Thanks.

>>44330679

What the fuck am i looking at here.

>>44330679
>>44330698

Good god, is that official artwork? Please tell me that event isn't canon.

>>44329583
Old memes find new life, In Star Wars. POEtic.

>>44330710
So you are saying we need to scale it down some and put at least 4 on every tie fighter. Great idea anon GET OUR FABRICATION TEAM ON IT!

>>44330679
>>44330698
>Look at me, I'm causing minimal damage to this giant goddamn ship because my lightsaber is three feet long and I'm putting maybe a foot of it into the armor plating
What the fuck even.

>>44330744
Kylo Ren's Resurgent-class Star Destroyer does in fact have kyber crystal based turbolasers.

>>44330679
>>44330698
...so why WOULDN'T this work? Of course you'd need a fucking massive sword to actually make THOSE cuts, but does anything stop, well let's do it here, what stops an idiot from riding a ship and using a lightsabre to knock the heads off of mailboxes? aka Star fucking Destroyers, what

>>44330737

Disney canon is just as fucking retarded. The only canon material are the live-action films because those are the things the future films will ever reference.

Nothing else ever happened and is basically just fanfiction.

>>44330626
I have skimmed SWSE, and played 7-8 sessions of FFGSW (nobody used force powers though).
I don't have any hatred (irrational or otherwise) for the core of the d20 mechanic, nor the use of funny dice, though the funny dice may make homebrewing some of the GM content more tricky.
I'm mostly looking for some tips from people who have actually played both.
Alright, I'll try to be more specific.

>>44330631
>FFG's system hangs together much better in my opinion.
Any kind of examples?

Does SWSE offer anything that might make for a better gameplay experience? Does FFGSW? What might those things be?

Are there certain types of campaigns that either one does better?

How well does either system handle mixed groups of force users and non force users?

Are there any noteworthy starwars concepts that are available in one system but not in the other?

So, aside from the Rogue Squadron Novels, what else is recommended reading from the Old EU?

>>44330641
>Appearances
>Star Wars: The Clone Wars – "Deception"
It's canon

>>44330767
Because lightsabers cannot actually trivially go through shields.

>>44330792
Need bigger lighsabers then.

>>44330767
Lightsabers do not cut through everything in a flash as exemplified by the blast door cutting in Episode I.

>>44330784
anything by zahn and anything with han solo in the name

>>44330792
Makes sense. Answer something else for me.

>>44330764
So wait what, now lightsaber tech can be used for other weapons? Which makes sense I guess, it's just some magic crystal or whatever, just seems weird. Do any walking weapons use them as well? Besides the obvious sabre.

>>44330827
Including Outbound Flight?

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>>44330774
>this delusion

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>>44330767

>>44330767
Remember how Qui-Gon had a bitch of a time cutting through normal doors, let-alone blast doors? You'd basically get taken with the saber because it couldn't melt the hull fast enough. At best you could graffiti the fuck out of the ship.

>>44330456
Depends on what combat style you want. Saga is pretty much D&D 4th Edition. So, more of a focus on tactical grid based combat. Where as FFG uses a more narrative system.

There is an actual Old Republic supplement for Saga. But, I played in a Fantasy Flight Star Wars game set in the Old Republic and it worked out fine. So, I think it will probably come down to which of those combat systems you would prefer.

>>44330829
A couple well placed lightsabers would really help walkers not get tripped by cables.

>>44330829
No, no, kyber crystals naturally amplify any energy that pass through them, but you can't just make big lightsabers out of them because they need to be attuned at an atomic level via the Force for that.

The Sith and the Jedi used giant kyber crystals as superweapons in their wars millenia ago. The Death Star is in fact a throwback to that.

>>44330851
>>44330838
I guess my brain was telling me "well high speeds and a ship-sized blade attached might just rip through"

I guess it was weird to always see sabers in the original treated as these sort of all-cleaving nearly mythic weapons of limited use, but then have hard limits suddenly pop up in odd places.

How come nobody uses a lightsaber polearm?

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>>44330207

>>44330836
it's actually reasonably decent, though not as good as the others
so yeah, read it

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How do you build her in SWSE?

>>44330878
Soooo... how did they get them to work for the giant ass Death Star? Unless you mean more, if we use RPG terms, you need some ultra-quality personally worked very expensive and specific gem that will take the Force and actually make a working saber, but regular crystals can be used all the time for basic amplification stuff?

>>44330885
I do believe Jedi temple guards used them. If you're asking why nobody really uses them in the movies, who knows. Maybe the film makers just think they wouldn't make as interesting fights.

>>44330703
>I just can't fucking stand you EUtists constantly bringing up shit that never happened.

Not that Guy, but some people give 0 shits about the new Disney canon.

Most of the StarWars content I like is set before 32 BBY (Phantom Menace) (Primarily Old Republic stuff). If I'm talking about Star Wars, I'm almost definitely talking about "Legends" content for that reason alone.

But even if I'm talking about stuff set later; why would I give any fucks if Disney has republished/referenced it since they took over Star Wars? All that matters to me is that it's content I like/consider to be good, and that it somehow ties into the other star wars content available.

Maybe I'll pay more attention to Disney Canon when it's not a vacuum with only a couple of items in it, spanning only three consecutive generations of closely related characters.

>>44330878
That sounds incredibly stupid, but I'll deal with it because that's apparently the road we're taking now with canon.

>>44330885
They do. They don't use them as main character movie weapons because they're not as cool as the whole Sword Of Light zen fencer thing going on.

>>44329439
>Guy watches The Force Awakens
>Goes into next showing
>Opening night
>Screams major spoiler right as the opening scroll starts
>Gets the shit beat out of him By the crowd
Justice still exists

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>>44330933
They just used doubles

>>44330949
They always had the ability to make the red crystals in bulk. Its why many sith use red its super easy to get ahold of.

>>44330968

Is this something that actually happened?

>>44330774
So, apparently, every on screen character just stops existing at the end of every movie, and they pop back into reality only at the start of each new one?

That's a very "Guildenstern and Rosencrantz are dead"esque theory you've got there, anon.

So how did notvader stop a laser beam mid flight and hold it in timestop? He was kinda weak in all his other force powers from what I could tell from the rest of the movie.

>>44330257

Mandalores in the KOTOR comics liked using Nukes, seems like a pretty effective strategy.

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>>44330975
>>44330987
why are there so many fucking colors

I thought it was a symbolic thing, a simple colors and themes of three thing, blue is model citizen, red is baby murder, green is someone who's finally figured out how to keep their shit together from either extreme and because that green looks DEAD SEX FUCK with the black of Luke's duds there

apparently it's goddamn literal rainbows and skittles collector packs out there

>>44331014
It's a blaster bolt, which is a plasma weapon.

I do agree that it's bullshit though.

>>44331014
he was actually clenching his ass exceptionally hard throughout that entire scene

being a dark jedi is all about that fake it til you make it biz

>>44330949

Not really, I mean they always had the ability to make artificial ones. I imagine you just need to build a compression forge or whatever big enough.

>>44331031
Nope, the only canon colors are blue, green, red, black and purple.

In the EU, it's significantly bigger.

>>44331031
Because mace windu was going to have a regular saber but his acter wanted purple. Not even joking.

>>44331039
It looked real cool and scary. That's why. God why does every single detail have to be bullshit or not? Why do we have to check his sheet to see if his Force score was high enough? You'd do the same thing in a game with some evil TK user and some PC or whatever shot at them.

>>44331014
>He was kinda weak in all his other force powers from what I could tell from the rest of the movie.

Didn't really get that impression. The only times he failed was information extraction.

>>44330865
>What combat style you want
Is that basically the only meaningful difference, just a different gameplay focus/style?

When we played FFGSW we still used a grid, and the GM just gave a conversion number for squares=range bands.

My main concerns are >>44330779
>Are there certain types of campaigns that either one does better?
>How well does either system handle mixed groups of force users and non force users?
>Are there any noteworthy starwars concepts that are available in one system but not in the other?

>>44331062
this >>44330975 is canon

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>>44330949
It's not stupid. It lends myth and scale to the Death Star and the ancient wars of the Sith and the Jedi.

To be clear, the kyber crystals were CORES of ancient Force superweapons, Jedi didn't just carry big ones around.

>>44330932
They amplify everything, but if you try to make a stable feedback loop like in a lightsaber, they overheat and explode without Force tuning. Obi-wan blew a hole through a cruiser with a blaster bolt amplified by a giant kyber crystal.

They'll overheat and explode if you overuse them too. Anakin and Obi-wan destroyed an entire Separatist fleet by doing so.

The Death Star had a giant crystal for each tributary laser in its superlaser.

>>44330885
Darth Bane has a lightpike.

>>44331062
>>44331074
I can't tell Sam no, so that's fine by me. He wants a purple saber, he gets one.

Black? BLACK? The hell are black sabers? God please tell me they're not wielded by some group of Sith or Dark Jedi so bad and edgy that normal Sith hate them or whatever.

>>44331014
Is it such a step up from Vader just stoping boots with his hand?

If they had the technology when making V I bet they would have had them stop them in midair.

>>44331093
Oh, right.

So yellow too then.

Eh, saber colors have never been a big deal for me.

>>44331055
>>44330987
Artificial crystals aren't presented in the new canon, I'm afraid. They need to be mined.

>>44331079
Bullets arent plasma.

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>>44331107
Darksaber (no, not the one where Madine dies for no reason)

>>44331107
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darksaber_(lightsaber)

Nope, just an ancient Jedi weapon.

>>44331112
>>44331093

White is also a canon color now.

>>44331112
I guess I was confused, and also sort of disappointed I guess. When I saw the originals as a kid it always stuck with me as this cool detail that didn't need to be explained, the sabers seemed more like these strange half-myth blades of ultratech of which there were like none, and so each one or its color had some symbolic meaning.

Then I see prequels and there's fucking tons of them and every shade there is and it was thoroughly explained and categorized and just confused the fuck outta me

>>44330779

SWSE doesn't offer much past the d20 paradigm. If you've played a d20 you've played this-- in that regard it has the advantage if you aren't looking to step out of your comfort zone. FFG's game is built to mechanically incentivize cinematic play. The Advanrage/Threat axis on rolls is simple but impactful when you want to do something near with the narrative. While nothing is stopping you from introducing that second axis in SWSE it is a big ahell having it hard coded into the system. Beyond that FFG's game steps past just killing or talking. Players can and will be a lot more diverse without rigid Class structure.

Currently in a game with Force users and non. The Force guy is really good at his Force stuff-- but he can't outfly the pilot or outgun the Bounty Hunter. It works well.

There you have it. I cut my teeth on SWSE but haven't returned to it since I started FFG.

>>44331115
Likes green saber used an artificial crystal

>>44330987
No no, I mean this whole 'kyber magic crystal' thing where the Death Star is apparently powered by the dark side or something weird. I, personally, don't like it. Do I have a say in it? No. Can I change it? No. Do I own even the smallest fraction of the franchise? No.

I just don't like it and I'm going to be a stick in the mud about it for a long time.
>>44331031
Well, it began as a symbol thing with the bad guy having red and the good guy having blue.
Then green got introduced because having a blue saber against a blue sky looks REALLY bad on fx shots, so they changed it. This made other people think 'oh, you can have other colors' which is where a whole lot of your 'goddamn literal rainbows' comes from where people reason 'well it's a LIGHTsaber and light comes in a bunch of colors so...'.
Then George comes and no-funs everyone and says 'NO. BLUE GREEN AND RED" And then Samuel L Jackson says "I want a purple saber because that's my favorite color and I want to find myself in crowd scenes." So there's now blue, green, purple, and red.
Then TCW has yellow and black, which is also canon so now we have blue, green, purple, yellow, black and red.
And I bet you half a dollar that someone's going to say 'well you know, they're LIGHTsabers...."
And then we'll have orange again.

>>44331138
Not much in the article. I mean... why is it black. Or is it just an aesthetic thing? Does it do anything?

>>44331182
not in the new canon, anon

>>44331142
it blood well should be, seeing as it was the original color for luke's saber all the way back in '77
>>44331193
it's pretty much a way to shorthand say 'this thing is really fuckin old and unique'

>>44331159
There was ONE extra shade in the prequels. ONE.

>>44330975
Strange, I vaguely recalled there being guards in the film that used actual lightsaber pikes. Brain must be playing tricks on me.

>>44331014
Could be an extension of general telekinesis. Might be some advanced form of protect. Probably wasn't a full-on timestop-type thing. And the film shows that while he's very innately powerful, he has no discipline and is internally conflicted which can make it hard to tap into either the normal/light side of the force or the dark side.

>>44331183
>Then green got introduced because having a blue saber against a blue sky looks REALLY bad on fx shots, so they changed it

Haha. And there I thought it was meant to be symbolic of Luke's acceptance of Light and Dark and sort of settling into a pathless master sort of thing.

>>44330774
>The only canon material are the live-action films because those are the things the future films will ever reference.
Interesting argument. You're saying what counts as canon within the movies is the other movies, and that's all that matters; - but regardless of whether that statement is technically correct, I have doubts regarding its relevance.

For example:
What about when I'm watching a future Star Wars Animated TV show, playing a Star Wars Game, or reading a Star Wars Comic? What if the thing I'm watching specifically does not feature the characters from the live action movies?
>>What counts as canon for that context, anon? Because that's the only context I give a shit about.
I'm unlikely to rewatch a movie I've already seen more than once every 10 years or so)

>>44331215
Yes anon, but I saw the metric loads of sabers, and the purple one, and then I recall seeing orange and yellow in other media, and even heard of an actual rainbow one in some thread, and so my confusion has been more of a gradual thing over the years that I didn't have much of a reason to ask about until now.

>>44331248
the rainbow one is 120% pure fanfic bullshit, FWIW

>>44330885
They are a thing in the Old Republic as well as in the Infinite Empire eras. I don't think I've seen them in anything within 50 years of 0BBY though. No idea why.

>>44331213
A'ight. Can't fault them that. Makes sense if it's some ancient unique artifact, even among ancient and unique artifacts that are meant to be sabers.

>>44331194
So then what do you consider canon since lukes saber crystal was supposed to be synthetic in the movies?

>>44331260
I figured it had to be something dumb.

It's been weird. I had such a different idea of Star Wars as a kid until I saw the prequels.

>>44331271
it's nothing to do with me, it's official policy

there is nothing in the film saying that it is synthetic and novelizations are no longer canon

>>44331270
pretty much; it was supposed to have been stolen from the jedi by mandos literally a millennium or so ago. that's also the reason that it looks like a katana

>>44330910
Build her as a martial with a force rating of 2 or 3 because why the fuck not, and then give her the broken and stupid GMPC ability of being able to perform any force power she sees used in the campaign, rather than having to actually learn them.

>>44331307

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rainbow_gem

There was also a gem that made the saber drip lava.

>>44331338
That'd be a neat sort of limited Force style. You can only mimic whatever Force power is currently around you, so all you can do is mimic.

So, what's good when it comes to Imperial Veterans?

>>44331062
Doesn't someone use yellow, in Canon?

>>44331338
>being able to perform any force power she sees used in the campaign

Does she ever actually see anyone use the Jedi mind trick, or force pull thing? She just seemed to pluck that shit out of thin air.

>>44331345
>There was also a gem that made the saber drip lava.

...

I get this is meant to be half Space Magic, but that's like, literal magic

Like 'socket a gem in here for Fire-element and +8d burning damage' magic

>>44331092
>Are there certain types of campaigns that either one does better?
The Jedi are handled much better in the FFG game. All abilities are modular and no two will end up the same.

>How well does either system handle mixed groups of force users and non force users?
It's possible to mix them, and they are like any other wizards. Weak at the start but insanely powerful after a few games.

>Are there any noteworthy starwars concepts that are available in one system but not in the other?
Not really.

>>44331079
>what is consistency

>>44330774
Everything moving forward is canon.

Through references they've brought things like Darktroopers, TIE Defenders, Republic Commando, and some events from KOTOR back into canon.

>>44331379
Uh yeah, she was literally tortured INTENSELY with it minutes before.

>>44331239
>What about when I'm watching a future Star Wars Animated TV show, playing a Star Wars Game, or reading a Star Wars Comic? What if the thing I'm watching specifically does not feature the characters from the live action movies?

You're playing/reading fanfiction, then.

>>44331410
Christ! This is what I mean about feeling weird regarding Star Wars. The hell are Darktroopers? I swear there's like 70 terms coming up I never heard in the other 6 movies.

>>44331379
Anakin was able to read Mace Windu's mind to pass the "a cup, a speeder" test with no training whatsoever.

Learning to use the force is a matter of ability and confidence, not so much training. The Jedi training was long to teach Jedi to be upholders of peace and justice, not just to train them to use the force.

>>44331377
Plo Koon. He had two, one was yellow then later he had an orange one.

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>>44331388

A lava crystal was a lightsaber crystal that could only be found on volcanic planets and moons such as Mustafar. It generated a blade that resembled lava. The crystal itself was less focused and concentrated than normal crystals, therefore lava itself was generated from the extreme heat of the dense, heavy blade, creating bits of flame and sometimes splashed and dripped out from the blade itself. This crystal was rumored to be very powerful.

>>44331443
git gud
lrn2EU

>>44331412

I was referring to 'release me, guard' thing, not the mind reading. Different things, are they not?

>>44331223
Nope, just the fickle whims of special effects.
>>44331095
I still think it's kinda dumb.

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>>44331443

Originally they were giant droids in black Stormtrooper armor that can wipe out entire bases due to how strong they are.

Kyle Katarn took on an army of them, and then the project leader who was wearing one as a suit of power armor, and he destroyed the entire lot of them, and this was before he ever got his lightsaber or Force powers because he's motherfucking KYLE KATARN.

>>44331468
I used RPG logic and figured if she just had her mind torn open by space magic, rummaged through violently, all while being Force-tickled, she probably just blew a point to feel out what was done to her to use it herself.

>>44331455
...this does at least explain why Yoda was able to train Luke so quickly.

>>44331416
And what is the continuity of this apparently separate thing which you are calling fanfiction?

Because that's the continuity that is relevant to anyone who might actually need to wonder what is canon.

>>44331511
>inb4 only movies are canon

>>44331457
I mean, speaking in like, raw game terms, that's really fucking cool. A strange and unstable beam of massive light used as a blade that generates that much heat, that it begins to drip off like fire? The saber itself must look bizarre and neat!

But this in Star Wars? Fuck dat's goofy.

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>>44331443
...they're from a good half of the Star Wars video games, and are part of the origin story of the guy in Legends who took over Luke's Jedi academy.

Seriously, you should fucking know Dark Troopers.

They're flying droid Terminators in lightsaberproof Space Marine armor that can be worn as a suit of armor. They're almost impossible to kill.

>>44331370
Literally everything that we can see.

TIE/x7 bumps Defenders up to 102% jousting efficiency so long as you can keep going fast - they should outshoot a TIE swarm.

TIE/D allows some really great control lists that don't sacrifice overall damage.

TIE Shuttle finally gives the Empire a cheap support ship.

Long Range Scanners fixes the age-old problem of low-PS ships being shit at target locking for ordnance, though only for the Bomber, Punisher, K-wing, and Firespray with Slave I title.

Other than that, there's Tomax Bren, Unlimited Crackshot/Adrenaline Rush/Lightning Reflexes Works, and some PS6 EPT generics for the Defender, MAAREK FUCKING STELE in a Defender

>>44331511

The fuck are you even talking about? Continuity doesn't matter and the EU was full of contradictory material anyway, because it was all fanfiction with no fucking oversight whatsoever, everyone just wrote whatever the fuck they wanted and it was all slapped together into one big clusterfuck. It's FANFICTION. It's non-canon and none of it has anything to do with the films because the films will never reference it and nobody in a fanfiction work will appear in any of the movies coming out, so continuity has no relevance whatsoever.

>>44331537
It'd work a lot better in a version of Star Wars that focused more on the fantasy side of the Space Fantasy

Like I would be fine with that in a Tales of the Jedi type thing where it's just a Space Wulin romp about ancient knights errant with mystic kung fu techniques.

>>44331540
Look, you want to know my Star Wars experience? The movies. That's it. Ever. I don't do sci-fi save rarely, and I only ever liked the original three movies much anyways. This one was fun to watch, though. So I don't know nothing that doesn't happen outside of them.

>>44331456
His canon lightsaber is blue, based on the games and later appearances in shows and stuff.
The yellow was only in the games from what I remember, and mostly I think so he'd stand out from other playable characters.

>>44329980
doggle brand doggles on a beagle brand beagle

>>44331578
So why are you here?

>>44331566
The EU was. What do you think of the new canon?

>>44331611

>What do you think of the new canon?

I already said that the only canon I consider is the films.

Everything else, Disney or not, is fanficiton.

>>44331540
I have to admit, and I know this happens in any series, but even if I guess it makes sense because of the fact it's a galaxy and huge, I'll be damned if Star Wars doesn't quickly exhaust the hell out of you across its material with all the unbeatable superweapons around. Lightsaber proof armor, bigger and ever bigger planet killers, special sabers, special guns, special ships, on and on and on, all of them more unbeatable than the last.

>>44331165
>Players can and will be a lot more diverse without rigid Class structure.
A definite plus.

>The Force guy is really good at his Force stuff-- but he can't outfly the pilot or outgun the Bounty Hunter.
That's what I want to hear!

>>44331393
>The Jedi are handled much better in the FFG game. All abilities are modular and no two will end up the same.
This is a good thing.

Are there any major force abilities/powersets which are missing in the FFG game but present in the d20?

I figure the d20 is more likely to include more obscure stuff that isn't common Jedi/Sith powers, like force mystic stuff, or the nightsisters abilities, or what have you.

>It's possible to mix them, and they are like any other wizards. Weak at the start but insanely powerful after a few games.
So force adepts will drastically outshine the mundanes in FFG as well?

>>44331611
>So why are you here?
Because I am rarely doing sci-fi, and the movie just came out, so why not see what one of the boards that I know will be calm, quiet, and reasonable about it has to say, and if they can answer any lingering questions. Why else.

>>44331578
Okay.
Dark Forces was the first Star Wars video game where you aren't playing a Jedi. It was basically Doom, Kyle Katarn is Doomguy. As an ex-Stormtrooper Rebel agent.

He stole part of the Death Star plans then set out on a course of action that lead him to take on a literal army of the Empire's best by infiltrating everything from Jabba's yacht to the Emperor's palace to the Executor.

Then after a shitload of more games he became a Jedi in Luke's Academy, one of the first along with a female Mon Calamari and an ex-Imperial assassin who became Luke's wife.

Kyle is about as god tier as it gets. Fucker punched a Krayt Dragon to death and basically kills everything that shoots at him without fail.

>>44331622
Then kindly fuck off to your corner as there is no reason for you to comment on anything else.

>>44331622
That's really stupid. Even TFA canonized the YT designation for the Falcon.

>>44331622
Then only talk about the films in this thread. No one needs your whining.

Is finn a force user?

>>44331092
>>44330456
I can narrow it down to this for you.

Saga if you want an entirely combat focused system.

FFG is you want a system that focuses equally on combat and non-combat skills.

I'm not saying that Saga combat is better than FFG. I'm saying that your players won't be confused as to why their classes have shit that's not combat-related in their talent trees if you play Saga.

>>44331650
Sounds neat then. I'm assuming not 'canon' but fuck I shouldn't even ask that, I don't really care, I just wanna know about stuff as referenced and needed.

>>44331701
Dark troopers are back in canon now.

Kyle... Not yet.

>>44331714

Kyle will never come back.

They gave his design to Kanan and his backstory to Finn.

>>44331714
Kyle can't be canon

I refuse to believe Kylo Fuccboi managed to kill him.

>>44331672
Hard to tell but probably not.

>>44331672

Probably will be revealed to be.

>>44331735
I can live with Kanan Katarn.

Post yfw Rey is revealed to be Ezra's daughter

>>44331672

He wielded a lightsaber, and only Force-sensitive people can do that, so yeah he is.

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>>44331624
There's two lightsaberproof metals, Phrik and Cortosis.

There's an animal-like thing that exudes an aura that scrambles the Force around it, Ysalimiri tree lizards.

Chewie is the prince of all Wookies. His dad and Qui-gon are bros.

Whatever the current struggle, nobody fucks with Hutts and survives. Hutts are the eternal third faction.

Anakin was referring to a race of whispy aliens called "Ghostlings" when asking Padme if she was an angel. He'd saved a group of them from being rare and exotic Hutt snacks recently, and thought she was one in disguise.

Palpatine's real name is Sheev.

Nobody in space wears underwear, so sayeth George.

There are parasitic worms that return the dead to life.

There is a race of living planets.

The worm things in the cantina was an ancient female Jedi master. The wolfman was an agent she was recruiting into the Rebel Alliance. They fell in love, and after death became immortal Force ghosts on Endor.

R2 is technically a pirate king.

Leia's daughter marries the Emperor of the remainder of the Empire.

Luke's descendant is a pirate who bangs a Twi'lek Sith lord. Pic related.

Boba Fett is literally Mandalorian Moses.

>>44331736
>implying he wasn't the one who poked the Snoke and that's why half of his face is missing

I can live without Kyle in canon though. Still peeved as Sheev that the NJO were wiped out off screen.

>>44331768
Anyone can use a saber. Hell han used one to cut open a tonton.

>>44330466
Or you just use a bigger asteroid.

>>44331768
>and only Force-sensitive people can do that
[citation needed]

>>44331768
He lost both the fights he used it in, against a force wielder who kinda kicked his ass despite being wounded and against a random stormtrooper with some weirdass melee weapon.

>>44331775
>Luke's descendant is a pirate who bangs a Twi'lek Sith lord. Pic related.

Noice.

>>44331801
I think it was supposed to be some weird tonfa.

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>>44331775
I-

Sure, ok. I'll take that at face value.

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>>44331768

>>44331566
>The fuck are you even talking about?
The continuity of materials that are explicitly NOT the movies.

>Continuity doesn't matter
You seem pretty buttblasted over something you think doesn't matter.

>the EU was full of contradictory material anyway
Which is why the contradictory EU stuff was not considered canon.

Granted, ideally contradictory materials would be fixed before being published.

> It's non-canon and none of it has anything to do with the films
Why does that matter?

>Because the films will never reference it and nobody in a fanfiction work will appear in any of the movies coming out.
But the other new materials you aren't interested in may well reference those events or characters. The only reason one might want to track Canon at all would be if there was actually stuff to keep track of. If you can't keep 7 movies in chronological order straight, you'd have to be a retard.

>So continuity has no relevance whatsoever.
Relevance to what? The movies? I fail to see how that matters, it's not like there's very many of them, it's not the MCU, which has several movie series, and now a handful of TV shows, which all tie in together.

What about relevance to the comics/novels/games? Because that would be the relevance I might actually be interested in, because the vast majority of the Star Wars content I'm going to look at in the next 30 years is not going to be the live action movies.

>>44330992
Yeah it was in the news yesterday

How to Sith?

Share your best RPG stories, guys. What's the best thing you pulled off?

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>>44331714
You guys aren't seeing the obvious. Kyle is canon.

In Luke

>>44331636
Don't know about Saga's power list, but here's FFG's, so far:

Battle Meditation, Bind (Choke/Stasis), Enhance (Force Speed), Foresee, Foresight, Heal, Harm (Force Drain), Influence (Mind Trick), Misdirect (Mind Trick), Move, Protect, Unleash (Lightning), Seek, Sense, Supress

Basically everything seen in the movies, and then some from the EU. And they seem to be adding new powers every career book.

>So force adepts will drastically outshine the mundanes in FFG as well?
Depends. Either a force-user will min-max and be really good at a couple of force powers and probably shit at everything else, or they'll spread themselves out more, and be mediocre at their force powers but be slightly more competent in everything else. Basically it takes a ton of experience/sessions until force sensitives will start to really shine, but by that point, normal characters will have likely mastered one or two different things by that point.

>>44331672
So far, no. If they stick to the idea that anybody can be force-sensitive with training, then maybe in a future movie he'll become one.

>>44331825
Was it? It seemed like some weird... powerfist... maul thing. Sort of a tonfa I guess yeah.

Really, he was cool, but what the fuck was he swinging around

>>44331735
>New Jedi Knight Game starring Finn with a Goatee learning the force/art to combat from a mysterious goateed war veteran with a HWK-290

MAKE THIS HAPPEN

>>44331377
Ashokas second saber is yellow. Also the jedi templeguards have those yellow double sabers.

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So, if I'm interpreting their Battlefront gameplay right, the new canon DLT-19 is now the squad repeater blaster, while the T-21 is now more like an anti-materiel rifle, right?

>>44331837
Don't feed him man, he just wants the attention.

>>44331775
Oola's sister is an anti-human SJW who formed an Oola Youth and had her companion cannibalize any dissenters.

There are space werecats and space centaurs.

There was a droid Jedi named Skippy. He was the red Astromech that blew his top in A New Hope so R2 could complete his destiny.

Yoda taught the wildlife of Dagobah he isn't food. He used the limbs of probe droids he destroyed as utensils.

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>>44331859
Z6 riot baton (no relation with the rotary blaster)

>>44331701
>I'm assuming not 'canon' but fuck I shouldn't even ask that, I don't really care, I just wanna know about stuff as referenced and needed.
>I don't really care, I just wanna know about stuff as referenced and needed.
Good for you anon, you don't have a 2x4 shoved up your asshole.

>>44331872
Ok two more questions.

Is there any canonical DIFFERENCE to the colors? If it was just aesthetic I can get behind that but there doesn't seem to be a clear answer.

The other is, what's with saber shape? I've seen some mild variations, what with the katana saber up there and the more 'pointy' kinds, is that another aesthetic thing or is there some exhaustive EU thing explaining how that can change too?

>>44331849

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
As you can see the sith code is not evil, if anything it just stressed personal freedom.

>>44331891
Oh. Seeing it clearly, yeah, that is literally a high tech tonfa.

>>44331062
Here's the list of canon colors:
>Blue - common as shit
>Green - see above
>Red - ditto
>Purple - Mace "I punch SBDs with my bare fists" Windu
>Yellow - Ahsoka Tano
>Back (proto Lightsaber and it's black because the crystal and emitter are super shitty) - That Deathwatch guy

>>44330992
yes

>>44331911
Anything that starts with 'peace is a lie' kind of immediately draws deep fucking suspicion and disbelief, tell you what.

>>44331853
SHIIIIIIIIT

>>44331918
>Mace "I punch SBDs with my bare fists" Windu

Not canon

>>44331918
I thought proto sabers where backpacks or something

>>44331918
White/Silver: Ahsoka(Rebels)

>>44331955
The 2003 series is canon

>>44331905
Having marathoned the movies and shows recently. Colour is never given or mentioned to have any meaning. It's a by product of sort which crystal happens to get used.
Extra meaning has always been fan fiction/speculation as far as I've ever come across.

>>44331905
Right now, the only reason colors are different are because of personality tests. Basically Ahsoka's is white because she's more general force-sensitive and not trying to closely follow the Jedi ways and shit. Legends, it was a combination of personality tests and different crystals coming from different places, and so different traits.

The black Darksaber is just a prototype lightsaber. Think of it as having that shape because it was a transition from swords to normal lightsabers. The more pointy ones you see in the CGI show screenshots are just stylistic choices; if it was live-action, it'd look like a normal movie version round lightsaber.

>>44331768
>Only Force-sensitive people can do that
Yeah, not so much.

It's been argued other people can't use them effectively a few times, but there are tons of examples of non-force wielders using lightsabers.

The precursor to lightsabers in the EU, (designed by the Rakata for their slaves to use), uses the wielder's dark side force strength as its power source; but the ones in use by the time of the old republic are powered by power cells instead.

>>44331955
You go tell Sam goddamn Jackson his saber isn't canon, I dare you

Go on, go ahead, I'll wait, go ring his doorbell and tell the man his saber is not canon

>>44331833
The supreme Admiral of the New Republic is the only Asian woman in the EU, Jan Ors. She was Kyle's personal pilit. She refused to ever go on a date with him.

Jabba sent Leia to fuck Boba Fett as a reward for a job well done. The idea of sex repulses him, so he made her sleep in the closet with his blaster trained on it all night.

Ackbar walked in on Han and Leia having sex from time to time. He really hated it.

>>44331955
Him doing that? Of course not but it doesn't change his canon lightsaber color and it fits Samuel L Jackson doesn't it?

>>44331942
Better than the jedi code which mandates emotional labotomy.

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.

>>44331963
no it's not

>>44331849
>How to Sith

1) Amass power
2) Repeat

The exact details vary, but ultimately it comes down to getting stronger because you can.

As much as people rag on it, SWTOR provides quite a diverse amount of sith, from uncomplicated tryhard "I'm better than you because I kill more" as demonstrated by Thana Vesh, to the "Just because we're the bad guys doesn't mean we have to be complete assholes" as demonstrated by Emperor Malgus when he started up a new Empire that, among other things, wasn't pointlessly racist against nonhumans.

>>44331963

>2003
>Canon

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars

>>44331979

Him punching droids isn't, moron.

>>44331992

See above.

>>44331962
From one scene in one flashback of ONE episode the proto sabers were basically a handle that emitted a yellow-ish displaced field or whatever in the shape of a katana blade. They were more see through than actual sabers and flickered like electricity

>>44331996
I thought the conclusion reached is that the Jedi were not so good either and Luke was gonna go start a new order that didn't ban you from touching anyone ever again, but also stressed like, not murdering children

at least until Poppa Issues got a little too salted for his pretzel

>>44332022
He literally ground pounds an army of droinds in clone wars.

>>44331905
Supersitions in the old days.

I have $21 in my paypal and the X Wing collection is on sale for $20.

Should I?

>>44332022
Are you fucking stupid? Read what you reply to. I said him punching SBDs was not canon but also doesn't effect his canon lightsaber color

>>44331911
>Sith Code

>Je'daii Code - I like this one better.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no fear; there is power.
I am the heart of the Force.
I am the revealing fire of light.
I am the mystery of darkness
In balance with chaos and harmony,
Immortal in the Force.

>>44332010
>The exact details vary, but ultimately it comes down to getting stronger because you can.

So that's all there actually is to the whole Sith philosophy? The Force exists, powergrab it and kill as much as you can with it and your strength just to prove you exist or something?

>>44332054
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

>>44332042
there is an important distinction between clone wars and THE clone wars

(these new christmas captchas are fucking retarded, what the hell)

>>44332053
go tell Sam he didn't punch a droid

>>44332034
>A new order that didn't ban you from touching anyone ever again
That didn't start being a thing in the Jedi order until after the Old Republic, and it was dropped by the Corellian Jedi.

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>Has crew quarters and shit for long as fuck stays
>It's a fucking airspeeder
>Doesn't even have a consumables entry
>It's a fucking airspeeder
>Slow as balls and no shields
>It's a fucking airspeeder
Has an oddly huge cargo bay
>IT'S A FUCKING AIRSPEEDER
Seriously, I have no idea what they were thinking this piece of shit is for. It has attributes that are somewhat useful for starships, but completely useless for an airspeeder, then it goes on to be subpar when compared to any starship designed for the same role. Might as well deploy a tie bomber and get the same firepower for a fraction of the cost and crew. Or, fuck, use a proper Y-wing and do the same shit but with a hyperdrive and the ability to do it in space.

Heck, it's not even like it is a mook ship for the players to take down.

>>44332079
What would that difference be? Because clone wars is canon.

>>44331996
you mean the whacked-out variant adopted very late in the jedi order's lifespan?
>>44332088
it would be more accurate to say that the corellians never picked it up rather than dropping it

>>44331911
>>44331996

Best code:

>Emotion, yet Peace.
>Ignorance, yet Knowledge.
>Passion, yet Serenity.
>Chaos, yet Harmony.
>Death, yet the Force.

>>44331962
>I thought proto sabers were backpacks
There may have been a backpack stage.

As mentioned though, the proto sabers during the "Dawn of the Jedi" era are powered directly by the dark side- as are the Rakatan hyperdrives and many of their other technologies.

>>44332065

Ultimately, when you get down to the absolute basics, yes all the sith philosophy is about is getting stronger.

Actual killing need not enter into it, though the dark side sure loves it when you do, and I hear if the dark side really really loves you, you get a bj.

>>44332104
no, The Clone Wars (CGI, 2008) is

Clone Wars (2D, 2003) isn't

>>44331379
There's a scene on the cutting room floor where Han tells a little anecdote about Luke using the mind trick. Also she's a total Jedi fangirl so I assume she knows that it exists.

>>44332104

The Samurai Jack Clone Wars cartoon is not canon, you dribbling fucking moron.

>>44332053

And I said that him punching droids wasn't canon and never commented on his fucking lightsaber color you fucking retard. YOU brought up his lightsaber color, I replied SPECIFICALLY to him punching droids.

>>44332113
That is better. But Imma stick with the sith. At least you know not to trust them. Plus swtor really made me like the sith.

>>44332077
American Code?

>>44332156
>I never went to high school

>>44332149
>>44332131
Clone wars is referrenced in the new cartoon on disney all the time. Its canon.

>>44332122
Well that's neat. Wait, so the Dark Side was what was discovered and used first?

>>44332123
Come to think of it, I guess if you try to take away all the mumbo jumbo and cut back on the mysticism, Sith are at their core kind of just a collective of philisophical berserkers so out of whack on universe juice that they go full megalomaniac as it overwhelms them on stupid.

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>>44331775
>Boba Fett is literally Mandalorian Moses.

No he isnt.

He got forced into being Mandalore because he's his dads son (even though hes a clone) - als the previous Mandalore told him he had to be the new Mandalore, even when Boba told him to fuck off.

He decided to take the job because he realized no one else was going to do it, and even then he's still just a figure head - he even says it "mando's dont need someone to tell them what to do".

Fuck sake man, I realize that the travis books are stupid, and everyone hates them, and even I agree, but get that shit right, or shut the fuck up if you didn't read them.

I read them, and I enjoyed them, and then i stopped with that series because it was dumb.

And I finally capitulated to the travis hate, despite having been a traviss mando fag for so long, are you happy?

FUCK

But no, seriously, traviss a dumb, but Boba is not the messiah. Why? because to traviss, every mando is the messiah. Get it right.

>>44332173

No, it isn't.

There's no middle ground.

It either is or is not canon.

Give me ONE instance of them talking about Durge in The Clone Wars.

I'll wait.

>>44332167
Never came up in my highschool. Or university for that matter. But then, again, I'm not American, and most people on /tg/ are, so what I learned in school often differs.

>>44332101

I just treat it as an actual starship, and a patrol bomber version of the ARC-170.

Seriously, i dont think anyone who plays FFG gives a fuck about airspeeders

>>44332228
This. The NTB-630 is the (legends, ofc) canonical space version of the PTB, so it works out even better.

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>>44332210

>>44331775
>R2 is technically a pirate king.
How?
>Luke's descendant is a pirate who bangs a Twi'lek Sith lord. Pic related
Why?

This is the kind of stuff that made me just laugh and leave EU material alone.

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>>44332210

>used to complain about disney canon
>started a few shitposts by saying legends is not canon
>feel bad about all those shitposts, because after TFA, I'm actually happy to be a star wars fan
>reading this retards posts, must be what I looked liked back then

I just wanted to say to everyone here, I'm sorry I acted like a dick.

Because that dude is a retard, and I feel ashamed that I acted like him

>>44332289

That is Clone Wars. Not The Clone Wars.

Clone Wars is not canon.

The Clone Wars is canon.

You literally CANNOT disprove me, it is fact.

>>44332293
Luke's descendant also wears Darth Vader's pants.

>>44332310
this seems terribly important to you

chill your ego, man, it's just a movie

>>44332295

>Persona claiming the Samurai Jack cartoon is canon
>Not the retard

You should feel ashamed, alright.

>>44332101
I just use it to represent the space version, the NTB-630 (I add shields). But for the rest of it, not everything has to be amazing, sometimes you get stuck with an old clone wars reject and have to deal with it.

>>44332184
>Wait, so the Dark Side was what was discovered and used first?
No, so far as I can tell, "what was found first" hasn't been specified (If it has, I haven't come across it).

Some ancient progenitor races (Celestials, Kwa) went around the galaxy and taught people to use the force, teaching moderation in both sides.

They taught the Rakata, and gave them tech. The Rakata immediately abandoned all of the light side stuff, and then used the dark side and their new tech to conquer a good chunk of the galaxy.

Rakata tech was very often powered by the dark side of the force. Their ships were powered by the torture of force sensitive slaves.

Eventually their empire collapsed and they nearly went extinct, and their species lost most of their tech and their strong force abilities and fell into barbarism. A genetically engineered plague that killed billions of them and rendered the rest force-blind for several thousand years was part of it, as was tons of infighting and civil war.

>>44332329
I mean. Wouldn't you?

Wait how did those survive the fire

>>44332310
Durge is mentioned in episode 3 book. Bot screentime though. Like that other guy said calm down.

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>>44332293
>Why?

Why not? The whole point of Cade was to be patently different then his forebears. He even tells Luke's ghost to go fuck off - Cade doesnt want force shit, he doesnt want to be the heir to the skywalker lineage, he just wants to run around with his friends doing cool stuff

Why is that silly or hard to believe?

>>44332367
Not that anon, but the books aren't canon.

>>44332367
>episode 3 book

Say it with me now:

NOT

CANON

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III%3A_Revenge_of_the_Sith_%28novel%29

>>44332356
Sooooooooooooooooooooo the lesson is never try to teach the Force widespread.

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>>44332363
endor fires can't melt plasteel armor

>>44332337
There's bad lame-o stuff, and then there's "this shit make no sense, bruh". I'll refer you to the H-wing on that same book, which is essentially the same ship, but actually makes sense.

>>44332380
holy crackers this looks like the cover art for some bad RPG supplement

>>44332407
We're talking about his pants though. I-

Are you implying he wore plasteel pants

>>44332421
It is in fact cover art for the Legacy Era supplement.

>>44332396
Wow you love bitching dont you? So nothing is canon to you thats fine, now kindly fuck off. Im not even that anon but damn you are a whiney cunt.

>>44332389
They are Legends canon.

Please remember that there are now two continuities which have branched apart and yet both offer a wide and enjoyable selection of fiction for you to enjoy. To learn more about the difference between NOTCANON and multiple canons, please remove your head from your ass.

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>>44332421
>>44332396
>>44332336


Are these shitposters all one person?

Or do we have an infestation on our hands?

>>44332396
How is the novel of ep 3 noncanon?

>>44332454
>please remove your head from your ass
Come on man, I'm not the one shitposting I was just pointing out that in the main continuity the novelizations are not canon.

>>44332419
>Someone complemented the H-wing

I like you.

>>44332396
You seem unnecessarily aggravated over a science fiction franchise universe, anon. Perhaps you should rethink what's important in your life?

>>44332440
Oh

Well good to know my eye for these things is sharp, I thought it was some paperback book cover

>>44332451
>So nothing is canon to you

Canon things are canon to me

You know, like things that have been specified as canon and are incredibly easy to remember as being canon

>>44332454

Legends = Non-Canon

Legends is canon onto itself, but that's not what we were talking about. Clone Wars 2003 is non-canon. It's Legends.

>>44332010
>>44332065
>>44332123
>>44332184
Holy shit, no. Stop listening to that guy.

The Sith Code isn't about amassing power, it is about personal freedom. Not letting yourself be chained down by social conventions and "petty" laws. Power is merely a by-product of what powerful force sensitives that follow this path (AKA Sith), achieve.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of Sith are a bunch of sociopathic babby murderers because they're unburdened with consequences and just did whatever the hell you wanted to, all while having crazy space magiks. But not every one is this way.

>There is no Peace, there is only Passion
>Through Passion I gain Strength
>Through Strength I gain Power
>Through Power I gain Victory
>Through Victory, my chains are broken
>The Force will set me free

The key aspect of being Sith is casting off your chains and letting yourself be free... Free to do what, however, is up to you.

>>44332492
And people are pointing out that you're getting obnoxiously nerdy and emotionally invested in the canonocity of space operas. Nobody cares what books are fact and which are paid fanfiction.

>>44330883
>sabers in the original treated as these sort of all-cleaving nearly mythic weapons
What the fuck? Luke's saber actually bounces off Vader's glove in Return of the Jedi. You've been brainwashed by the EU, bro

>>44332515
What is canon faggot give everything that we can point to as canon.

>>44332397
Pretty much. The Rakata also wiped out the Kwa. And ships back then were garbage. The Rakata shitty hyperdrives are the first ones IIRC. The Kwa got around using NOTStargates (which they then started blowing up to slow down the Rakata, thus forcing the Rakata to make better ships).

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>>44332521
>Free to do what, however, is up to you.

According to Darth Bane, your free to do whatever your master tells you until your powerful enough to kill him - then teach someone else how to kill you.

Raise your hand if you think the rule of two is retarded

>>44332533
Vader had some really good gloves anon.

>>44332478
Anything that isn't the specific movies themselves or The Clone Wars (CGI) cartoon got hit by the canon wipe. So the only novelizations of the films that are considered canon, by Disney, are the new Original Trilogy (came out in September) and Force Awakens ones. The old novelizations are considered canon to Legends.

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>>44332529
Anon pls, I'm not notcanonshitposter-kun

I was just trying to say it wasn't canon so no one gets confused.

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>>44332534

Are you seriously fucking stupid? I expect people around here to already know it.

Here, let me spoonfeed you like the pathetic little baby that you are. Open the hanger, here comes the airplane! VROOM VROOM

>>44332533
I've never read any of the EU. And yeah, that made sense to me, since two Jedi were in a fierce battle. The Jedi and Vader and so on came across to me as a kid as just being like, these semi-celestial beings of which there was meant to be some legendary few deciding the fate of the galaxy. Sabers seemed much more mysterious and dangerous, exclusive to the Jedi and more symbol than actual tool, before they were whoosy color coded fight stix being used to cut through a door in the prequels.

>>44332552
Banes rule of two was retarded as fuck. Thankfully we can tell it didnt happen in the current canon of starwars, rebels has like 3 sith inquisitors running around. Not counting vader.

>>44330883
>>44332533
Saber wounds even bleed in the OT. The original material stated that sabers emitted no heat and had no weight. More modern material said they had about the same cutting power as blaster bolts, the blade being plasma exactly as bolts are.

>>44332569
Dude, you could be a bit nicer and more civil about it.

Lots of people here are still adjusting to the new canon since the new movie came out.

>>44332564
>I was just trying to say it wasn't canon so no one gets confused.

No one cares at this point in the conversation, and everyone is fucking annoyed. Find another topic.

>>44332558
You cant ignore all the things refferenced by them just because you dont like it anon.

>>44332602

>since the new movie came out.

We've known what is and is not canon since spring of last year.

It's not my fault if retards still think Samurai Jack Clone Wars is canon.

>>44332569
I need to know who made this timeline anon, because if it isn't from either Disney or George, then I cannot consider it to be from the source.

>>44332558
The junior OT novels aren't canon. The ESB one even uses the old Emperor sequence.

>>44332564
The shitposter's obnoxiousness is going to make any discussion regarding what's *Disney Canon* just annoy people.