Star Wars General - The Droids Are Unemployed Edition

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>>44302065
It looks more like the now-canon Rakata Prime to me (minus the wrecks everywhere), plus Tython is/was in the Core and the location on the movie map was in the Unknown Regions.

Question, /swg/. If I wanted to learn more about the lore behind starfighters, starships, pilots, etc., what material should I pick up and read?

>>44303280
The essential guide series is exactly what you are looking for

>>44303299
Thanks, anon.

>>44303280
Essential guides. There's an ultimate dictionary out there as well.

Or you could consult the wook...

>>44303351
You'll want to dig up both the older guides and the "new essential guide to X"; there's some non-overlapping content and the old guides have some errors

If I plan to play Empire, should I buy the original or the TFA X-Wing core set?

>>44303419
General advice in these parts is to get both, but you'll need the TFA for sure if only for the updated damage deck.

>>44303419
One of both might be the ideal.

>>44302641
It makes sense.
If you have a weapon type that requires a massive superstructure, moon-sized, and the problem is that your enemy keeps nailing it with small fighters you don't mount it on a Star Destroyer or leave it floating with no protection because that just makes it worse.

You do the cheapest route; just set the weapon into an existing planet. Its the TIE/LN of Death Stars.

The reason you keep building them?
They work.
You don't stop building aircraft carriers because some enemy fighters blow up the ones you have.

The first Death Star had a massive design flaw. The second didn't, but Sheev decided the only time it would ever be vulnurable would be the time to use it as bait.

Starkiller was extremely powerful, cheaper, forced the highly effective Rebel/Resustance fleet to rely on q ground assault (without natives or a terrain advantage), and in the end accomplished its main goal (blow up the Republic government) first.

>>44303419
tfa son

>>44303493
I think he was referring more to the name than anything, to which I say it's called starkiller base because it literally eats stars to charge up shots.

>>44303249
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lehon

Huh. Interesting.

If they made KOTOR canon with it, the fangasm would probably silence detractors.

>>44303419
Look up the 1d4chan link, there's a legot guide there for getting into the game.

Some people are saying that Starkiller is exactly where Illum should be, and might actually BE Illum, and the crystals were used to build the weapon. Thoughts?

>>44303559
Maybe to confuse spies?
Like how an arial invasion in WW2 was called "Operation Overload" among like five other names?

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>>44303566
Kylo's saber design comes from the "Great Scourge of Malachor" thousands of years ago so whooooooo knoooooooowwwwsss

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https://youtu.be/y8b033Qhwpk

The musical theme of the T-70 and Poe kicling ass.
Thoughts?

>>44303566
They're never going to make any Legends content canon in its entirety again. What's likely is that we'll get references like we have already that puts certain things together in a similar light to what happened in Legends, but isn't completely the same.

>>44303637
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Malachor_V

HOLY SHIT! Anytime someone complains about the crossgiards we can tell them to blame Revan.

>>44303659
should have been megalith -agnus dei-

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>>44303688
I approve of Legends being literally legends.

>>44303637
>There will never be an amazing scene where he kills himself as he raises his sword overhead and pierces the top of his own skull

>>44303249
So apparently the headquarters of the Resistance is on the other side of the galaxy from the Starkiller base, which is presumably the center of the First Order activities. You'd need to cross through the Republic space to get from one to the other.

Also, Takodana is like 1/4 galactic diameter from Hosnian Prime, partially obscured by the galactic core, yet the explosion is instantly visible on Takodana sky during the day.

Fuck logic.

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>>44303991
I fucking love those captions

So, what was the long term plan with Starkiller base? It feeds on the sun and their second charging sequence clearly shows that they used up all of the sun. So assuming it wasn't destroyed by the Resistance, what was next? Is their weapon now useless? Do they have to go to a new sun some how?

>>44303933
I don't think Leia was on Resistance HQ.
She was at the base nearest Jakku.

>>44303637
So that saber is around 3996-4010 ish years old? What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

>>44304031
I think the planet was moving, it looked like it had engines or something. However the fuck the Death Star moved.

They should have mentioned it probably.

>>44304056
No, the DESIGN is. It's like some guy making a flintlock in the modern day.

>>44304056
The crossguard design is.
Obviously this one itself isn't, it's just inspired by a famous Sith, which fits Kylo Ren's general 'Dark Side fanboi' characteristic.

>>44304056
No, he built it.
The novels mention him sending the Knights of Ren to find old lightsabers to buy, meaning all he did was jury-rig existing lightsabers into an old shape which fits his kind of insane self-delision of inheriting pasts he doesn't understand.

>>44304101
>>44304081
>>44304076

ok, duh. sorry guys. and thanks for not flipping out at me.

So, where did he find these designs? Ive been kinda thinking, maybe he got them from snoke. maybe snoke is the sith emperor What do you guys think?

>>44304134
Snoke is Boba Fett.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3690499

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>>44304166

>>44304166
No.

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>>44303637
Why did they add this caption?

>>44304134
No prob m8.
We don't know, not likely given that JJ said flat-out "The Sith are extinct".
Meaning this is a new Darkside group being built from the ground up although possibly with uncovered teachings (explaining Kylo's knowledge of the old saber design), or an extension of a previous one like the Sisters.

On an unrelated note, some people are theorizing Snoke is tiny like an evil Yoda for pottery reasons.

My money was on a Palpy clone like the novels until I remembered JJ's statement.

>>44304220
Clearly you haven't studied the finger enough yet if you are questioning it, anon.

>>44304237
>We don't know, not likely given that JJ said flat-out "The Sith are extinct".
Anon, that actually has dual possible meanings. The Sith were actually a species in the EU. They went extinct due to interbreeding with human dark jedi and the blood eventually running thin.

>>44304276
So do you think its the sith emperor?

unless its simply not a pre-established character, then thats my bet.

>>44304306
I'd say Plagueis if predictable or new character entirely if not.

Luke's Dark Half if lazy as all hell.

>>44304276
And that's EU. In canon, the Sith are not, and to our knowledge have never been, a species.

>>44304220
>questioning the mighty Accusing Finger of Unquestioned Authority

>>44304276
I doubt that's what he meant considering he was answering a question on whether Kylo is a Sith Inquisitor.

JJ relies on gag orders, not wordplay or outright misdirection.

>>44304237
I like Snoke being tiny, it makes his big Wizard of Oz hologram fitting.

Also he's pretty beat-up, with that giant head scar and Jonah Hex cheek. I'll be curious about his backstory.

Thoughts?

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!187:152,153:-1:-1:;184:-1:-1:-1:;184:-1:-1:-1:;18:-1:-1:-1:;10::-1:-1:;10::-1:-1:

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For those interested

New black&red TIE fighters have long range and hyperdrive.

>>44304607
Both of them or just the special forces two seater one?

>>44303193

/swg/ still friendly to fanfiction? Awhile ago I wrote a story and posted it here about the night shift at a Coruscant police precinct.

I just finished something of a sequel, and figured I'd post it if there is interest.

>>44304713
Sure, OC is always good.

>>44304355
The Sith may return, but probably not in the New Trilogy.

>>44303718
>"It's true. Some of it."

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>>44304752
It seemed like a silly question as soon as I posted.

Alright, attached is the first story.

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>>44304774
And t his is the one I just finished writing. Same main character, but muuuuuch later.

>>44304713
Definitely do! The first story was great.

>>44304607
>360-degree field of fire
Except for the gigantic solar panels blocking the 90 degree fields on the left and right
>Deflectors shields, rear gunner, extra guns
Yet they don't do anything about the horrible visibility for the pilot... enjoy your 45 degree field of view directly forward

So hey, remember at the start of the movie when Poe gets captured? His X-Wing appears to be a regular T-70 and it has that same kind of popout gun that the Falcon does, do you think that's a standard feature or a modification?

>>44304101
Which would actually work, because either he didn't listen to what his uncle told him about their patriarch or he's deluding himself into believing that his grandfather left the light 4evarrr.

Bets on Kylo finding some hidden monument to his granny put up by gramps in his sorrow and realizing that he's being a fuckboi? I still want him to die without redemption, to never complete that arc
>>44304338
>Luke's Dark Half if lazy as hell
Aw shit, we X-Men now!
>>44304713
>>44304774
>>44304787
MORE SPACE LESTRADE

>>44305175
In the visual dictionary it's listed as standard armament

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>>44303193

>>44305175

There will always be more Space Lestrade. I'm still working on one where he meets Space Columbo.

>>44305335
I'd watch the shit out of that.

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>>44305398
You are one of my writing heroes now.
>>44305306
Sweet!

Special forces tie/fo for x-wang when

t-70 title with infinite torpedoes when

>>44305464
Assault Carrier has a card that makes Large ships have infinite ordinance.

TIE/sf probably the star ship of the next wave.

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I want to see a character who lived through all the current eras of Star Wars canon. You know, blasting droids during Clone Wars at young age, slaugthering Imperials in his adulthood and finally fighting the First Order at old age. Maybe some crossover comic? Something like that

Or better yet, a ultra loyal clone who fought in Clone Wars, Galactic Civil War and the First Order conflict because he's that much of a badass

So somehow, in my utter ignorance I only recently learned that the Visual Dictionary is a thing. Obviously I'm going to get the one for VII, along with the ship cross section book, but I also want to eventually get the dictionaries for the prequels, too.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1465436014/ref=pd_aw_fbt_14_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=197DS0P7248ESE420NJE

My question is, is this Ultimate Star Wars book the Visual Dictionaries for the previous movies mashed together? If not, what's different? Is there even a collection of reference books I can get?

>>44305587
>Who is Rex

>>44305580
The second one was a bit of a joke about how the t-70 xwing seems to be filled with nothing but torpedoes.

TIE/sf would be neat though. Thoughts on implementation? Rear firing arc and crew slot? A TIE/Fo title that gives it a turret slot?

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>>44305634
Dead by episode 7

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So I want to come up with a trio of dark jedi/sith that embody Yoda's little speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8.

each one embody a different aspect of the dark side (fear, anger, hate) and they'd each get a special force power/gimmick that embodies their aspect and it would also make them corrupted miserable suffering wretches. (bold new territory I know)

I pretty much like the idea of Chronicle of the Gatekeeper's Suljo Warde and his precognition but only the worst outcome ability and how it makes him paranoid and fatalistic to be the fear guy.

Force and Destiny - Chronicles of the Gatekeeper (SWF23).pdf
http://www47.zippyshare.com/v/uiEMYZ6a/file.html

somebody should make a mirror for mega, zippy links expire

What would be some good ideas for dark side powers with a double edge that would be an apt metaphor for the self destructive qualities of anger and hate?

>>44305664
I'd be surprised if anyone took both a crew and turret on a tie/sf-it still is just a tie with a shield.

>>44304824

I always assumed pilots have augmented reality in their helmets, so no real need for glass.

>>44305587
>Or better yet, a ultra loyal clone who fought in Clone Wars, Galactic Civil War and the First Order conflict because he's that much of a badass
You realize clones age at double the normal rate so he would effectively be 100 years old by TFA, right?

>>44305688
So, a quirky miniboss squad consisting of The Fear, The Anger and The Hate? Sounds good to me.
Maybe the Fear has some sort of empathic terror projection? Makes everyone around him feel his fear, only he's sort-of used to it and they aren't?
The Hate needs to use lightning, of course.
Maybe The Anger uses the force to enhance his strength and speed and berserker fights barehanded?

>>44305779
Give him some cybernetics and drugs and he'll be good to go

>>44305664
>A TIE/Fo title
that'd be like giving a T-65 a T-70 title

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>>44305587
>desperate for more soldiers, the Resistance starts looking for old CIS droid factories...

>>44305779
They created a fix for that in legends, I don't see why one couldn't exist in nucannon

>>44305812
Probably he means a Tie/SF title for the Tie/FO.

>>44305587
Description matches Chewie pretty well.

>>44305870
I know what he meant, and what I said still applies. The /sf is a physically distinct spaceframe.

I just bought the new X-wing core set, a y-wing, and a tie bomber.
Did I do good?

>>44305664
Title, but comes with two TIE/sf ships.
Like First Order Aces.

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>>44304240
Well played.

>>44305911
You are set for fun

>>44304824
>>360-degree field of fire
>Except for the gigantic solar panels blocking the 90 degree fields on the left and right

>There is only one axis to an orb.

360 degrees around the orb inbetween the wings, senpai.

>>44305911
Y-Wing isn't too good on its own, it needs other upgrades. Like from the Most Wanted pack for example.

TIE Bomber is better, especially for Captain Jonus. But he buffs other ships with secondary weapons, like the Shuttle or other Bombers. Durable, decent ship regardless and gets better when you expand your collection.

Not bad. Its a collection start rather than optimized minimal purchases though.

Starter ships are great. Nothing wrong with them.

>>44305958
There's nothing to indicate that that turret can rotate to the top of the TIE

>>44305958
Also X-Wibg takes place in 3 dimensions, shooting 360 means its shooting below it.

Fly high in the spec fo TIE.

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>>44305911
>tie bomber
You're in for a treat in a few months, mate

>>44305963
Well, the way me and my friends play these kinds of games (That pirate game with the plastic card-ships comes to mind) is that one of us usually gets a bunch of stuff for it and just play with that, so I wanted to get some stuff for both factions. I figured the starter ships plus one fat bomber each wouldn't be a bad idea.

>>44305884
The B-wing/e2 title seems to get away with it. I'd prefer to keep away from releasing a near identical model, TFA ships aside.

>>44306032
that's because the only difference between the normal and the E2 is a slight cockpit length increase

Anyone think we'll see a Christmas announcement for X-Wing, or was >>44306028 it?

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>>44306028
WTF is this?!
Its giving me an Imperial erection.

>>44306101
We are still waiting for a fair chunk of wave 8 content

Imperial veterans only was announced officially because a catologue was unintentionally sent out

>>44306274
Imperial Veterans:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/14/rule-the-skies/

>>44306101
I'm hoping Rebel Veterans...

>>44306101
I'd settle for spoilers of the TIE Advanced Proto or the Jumpmaster. I really want the Jumpmaster as the core of a scum list I'm putting together, but it would be nice to know more.

>>44305913
I doubt it'll be a rear arc adding title due too issues with the bases card. I'm betting tie/sf will just be its own ship that has a rear arc.

>>44304774
>>44304787
These are pretty great. Is it something you just whipped up or is it based on a character you made for something.

>>44306031
Its not bad, but the factions aren't exactly the same so balanced purchases don't work well.

Rebel ships tend to eat points, and are designed to get a lot of upgrades. That means planned purchases for upgrades you need and ships that compliment each other. They also run on named characters.

Imperial ships cost less points and tend towards numerical superiority. They tend to only need one core named character to lead them, with the rest being scrubs. Upgrades are used much less, and only serve to give you something inportant to your strategy.

The Empire player is probably the one at a disadvantage, while the Rebel player needs more purchases to match what the Empire player will become with only one or two more good ships.

My recommendation: either the regular original trilogy TIE Fighter and/or new movie TIE/fo single ship pack for extra TIE and badass pilots, then a Shuttle. Alternatively, either a TIE Punisher, Defender, or second Bomber. Or you can go with Imperial Aces, but that won't get your Bomber any love.

For Rebel, a single pack original trilogy X-Wing. Then Rebel Aces, Outrider, or Moldy Crow.

So two purchases each to reach a viable 100 point game. One little ship, then either a big ship, a two-ship pack, or a second little ship.

I recommend the TIE/fo Fighter and TIE Defender, and the X-Wing with Rebel Aces.

>>44306373
Naw, it'd add a turret slot.
You don't need a visualization for a turret range.

>>44306447

Thanks.

Just something I whipped up. Though subsequent to writing it I've wanted to find a campaign where I can play a hardboiled Kel Dor private eye.

>>44306525
TLT has made it VERY tricky to add turret slots to anything now.

So how come /swg/ isn't literally chock full of "TFA suxx" shitposters right now?

Could it be because it's monday and they have school again?

>>44306565
>school on a monday
>christmas holiday
where do you live, anon. north korea?

>>44306544
It could be a title that just allows firing outside arc instead of adding a turret slot.

>>44306565
They've been silenced by Kylo Ren's accusing finger of unquestioned authority.

Also the movie didn't suck

>>44306565
Because all those people are on /tv/

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>>44306565
We prefer to discuss lore and speculate.
If you want reviews, try /co/. If you just want shitposting try /v/. For memes and spoilers, go to /tv/.

>>44306565
We had that shitstorm over the weekend, dude.
I think that everyone's just calmed down a tad now.

>>44306587
>Implying there's any Life Day break at the First Order Indoctrination Academies

>>44306028
Which starter kit is the better grab alongside this? I love the idea of these ships but I'm not sure which TIEs combo best with the new additions aside from more Defenders/Bombers obviously.

Would a TFA kit, a Bomber, and Imperial Aces be a solid set?

>>44304166
That article is the most autistic thing I've read in a while

>>44306655
TFA core has TIE/fos, which have innate TL on their action bars.

Pairs better with Vessery (PS6 pilot from normal Defender expansion)

>>44305963
What would you call an 'optimised minimal purchase' then?

>>44306685
So TFA for the First Order TIEs, a regular Defender, and Imperial Vets should give me some good stuff overall right?

I love my Y-fus but a TIE swarm just seems fun to play.

>>44306535
Neat. I wouldn't mind a "continuing adventures of the kel dor detective". Hell, if you write well and suck the proper dicks you might even get published.

>>44306698
Yep, that sounds about right.

Defender is actually okay on its own right now (or at least Vessery is due to superb action economy if you can cheerlead TLs), Imp Vets will make it a beast.

Y-wings are a little trickier to get the right upgrades for. Ion Turrets are fine but kind of low damage, BTL-A4 title fixes that but you can only get it in Most Wanted, which is basically the Scum equivalent of a core set (no templates/dice, though). TLT is only on the K-Wing, and the most useful droid, R3-A2, is only in the Rebel Transport

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>>44306772
>>44306698
Actually I have spare BTL cards if you think you'll use them

>>44306772
The best droid is clearly unhinged astromech combined with the btl title and Torkhil Mux, all in Most Wanted.

>>44306655
TIE Defenders love to fly off on their own and go with anything, there's not enough info about the new Bomber yet.

Sibgle pack Bomber pilot Captain Jonus should buff both though, he goes with anyone using a lot of Secondary Weapon attacks.

Both starters will just give you some redshirt TIE Fighters, which most Imperial players need regardless of anything else. So you can't go wrong with either but they aren't a massive synergy thing unless building a tught swarm around either Howlrunner or the pilot who's name I forgot that both come in the single TIE packs.

Imperial Aces gives you two souped up TIE Interceptors. They mostly replace the need for regular TIE Fighters. They cost more points bit fly better. I personally don't use them, but almost all Imperial players take them or a regular TIE Fighter swarm. Consider them the alternative to the starter and single pack TIE. You could run both for a swarm and a mini swarm, but then you're not using your Bomber since there's no way you can get all of them into a standard sized game.

>>44306565
There were like three threads with TFA discussion going on.

they tried to cram too much shit into it

>>44306829
Yeah I honestly think the movie could have benefitted from more time, which isn't something I usually say about movies.

But I feel like an extra half-hour's world building would've taken this movie from 7-8/10 up into 9/10 territory for me.

>>44306807
R4 Agromech laughs at Unhinged, though?

>>44306853
>an extra half-hour
They actually had to cut at least this much for the release, hopefully extended cut soon

>>44306544
>TIE swarm with TLTs

Oh baby.

Unfortunately though the wings on the TIE would make a 360 arc seem a bit out of place.

>>44304607
Are these new TIEs bigger than the old Imperial ones? Because I don't see how there's enough room in a two-seater TIE for the extra pilot AND a hyperdrive.

>>44304824
>space travel tech
>eyeballing your shots

kek
Did you miss even the Falcon having targeting systems on its turrets, m8?

>>44306693
Lowest number of ships bought, highest number of purchases used.

I dislike the idea of buying a ship for a card strongly. I know most people do as well.

So I recommend purchases with cards that fit into what you'd play in the same match, or can be rotated out for variety.

I also recommend purchases with the maximum number of cards to support each other. TIE Punisher has great upgrade cards, but needs a lot of support and a lot of people don't like fielding it so I wouldn't recommend it unless you want to actually use it. By contrast the TIE Defender is a great ship with great upgrade cards.

Sure, Punisher gives you better cards and the Phantom is a better ship, but Defender is a good ship with cards to make most of your other ships regardless of choice better. So I recommend it higher.

>>44306881
You mean like they cut a lot of content from Age of Ultron and it STILL feels long and crowded?

>>44306865
Unhinged costs 1 less, which adds up surprisingly fast. Also it's always fun to see enemies react to y-wings behaving like a much faster craft, especially if you give them engine upgrades, you absolute madman.

>>44306895
>room for two and a hyperdrive

yea that was a bit confusing, though it might previously have been cost issues as opposed to space issues.

TIE/ln's are supposed to be super cheap and I thought party of the reason they didn't have a hyperdrive is so people couldn't run off with them.

What's with the "unexplored regions"?

I thought that the whole galaxy was more-or-less explored

>>44307003
a universe is a big place

>>44307003
No, not even close. Hell, in most early material, the galaxy wasn't even a third explored

>>44306853
Needed some throw-away lines like Phasma commenting on Jakku being where the Empire died and the First Order was born from the treaty, or Leia remarking on the Chaos that will come from the loss of the senate on that planet. Or Poe telling Finn or Rey that's all the forces they have since the New Republic relies on every system having their own Resistance militia to protect their peoples. Or Han finishing a humorous anecdote to Rey about Luke's Jedi mind trick to give her knowledge OF that to try. Or the yellow chick mentioning her base is old Jedi ruins, explaining the Cave thing from her touchibg the lightsaber.

Not too much exposition, just a few quick lines. Too much relied on you reading the books and comics. Leave those for in-deprh explanations.

>>44307003
Not even close.

Blind lightspeed jumps are actually really dangerous, and sublight exploration is too damned slow.

So the 'known galaxy' is actually mostly just a series of relay stations between known safe routes.

There's big money in exploratory astrogation, but it's also really dangerous, because if you don't know your shit and you fuck up your calculations, a manual jump can easily dump your ass into the center of a star or have you hit a planet at FTL speeds which is an unmitigated disaster.

>>44307003
The galaxy is basically collections of big long trade lanes, the boonies near the trade lanes, and beyond that spots on the map that read HERE THERE BE KRAYT DRAGONS.

>>44306894
It doesn't shoot to the sides, it shoots under it. A dogfight in space isn't on a two dimensional plane. Pulling up gives the gunner a shot.

>>44307062
>have you hit a planet at FTL speeds which is an unmitigated disaster.
Well, for the ship, at least

>>44306937
From what the visual dictionary and indoctrination from birth of stormtroopers imply, the First Order relies more on hot and run tactics while believing most indoctrinated storm troopers will go TR-8R rather than allow another one to desert.

Can someone please give me some good EotE plot hooks? I suppose they don't have to be EotE, but its preferred.
Also, was I supposed to know who Max Von Sydow's character in the new movie? It's seems like it but I'm drawing a serious blank.

>>44307087
It's not all that great for a planet, either.

>>44307094
You're supposed to know Max Von Sydow. Beyond that, I have no idea.

>>44307076
Can we get a drawfag making a 1600's-style universe map like that?
Bonus points for a half-Hutt half-Twi'lek like a mermaid.

>>44306903
Sorry I meant more what ships you would consider to fit that.

Considering what to buy to start out.

What about the Interceptor?

>>44303637
>accusing finger

ayy lmao

Is Kylo the ultimate fukkboi?

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I can't decide which faction to play in X-Wing. I am going to buy the TFA starter set and my buddy is willing to trade the T-70 for his old TIEs. On the one hand I think the Empire has cooler small ships but the Rebels have cooler big ships. The YT-2400 being my shipfu, how often would it come into play if I went reb? Are larger ships like the Firespray or Decimator required for Imperials?

"Help me... I still feel it, the pull of the Light. Show me again the power of the Dark Side, Grandfather..."

>>44307098
Nope. Hitting a hyperspace mass shadow does precisely dick-all to the realspace object m8

>>44307056
The lightsaber is the force focal point, yo. Why do you think Kylo is so fucked up?

>>44307094

- Local Government has given a monopoly on medical supplies to a planetary corporation, which was fine until a nasty virus broke out. Said corp is making huge profits off of the suffering of the locals, and the local crime boss is angry (that's his job).
- Some new religious group has appeared, claiming to bring peace and salvation to those who join them. Wherever they go, people vanish....
- The sector Moff wants three wampas. Don't ask, the credits are good.

>>44305175
>Bets on Kylo finding some hidden monument to his granny put up by gramps in his sorrow and realizing that he's being a fuckboi

Too much of a fukkboi to realize what a fukkboi he's being

>>44307123
Single Interceptor pack is okay and has the best Interceptor pilot Soontir Fel, but its cards really only work great for it. Imperial Aces has better Interceptors, but again the upgrades are mostly just for other Interceptors.

If you're like me and prefer basic TIE then there's not much there to consider. Both are great, and Interceptors are usually the preference of the championship players. But they aren't better overall, just a second flavor.

Like I said, Imp Aces and a single Interceptor are probably your alternative to Starter TIE Fighter and a single TIE. Single Interceptor is great too, but the Phantom is probably the better badass ship. Which also only really upgrades itself and goes out hunting by itself.

>>44307144
The Super Dash gives Dash push the limit, an engine upgrade, an Outrider Title, and cannon and crew to flavor. It gives you an extremely maneuverable large, hard to shoot ship that can dodge out of arcs via boosting and barrel rolling across asteroids while dealing up to 4 dice of damage at long range. Probably the most fun large based ship to fly.

Typically he pairs with a couple of mooks or one other named ship that's also been upgraded. I've seen Corran Horn in his E-wing and Jan Ors in her HWK both work-Corran is aggressive, jousting with the enemy as they try to deal with Dash's donut while Jan gives Dash not 4 but 5 dice at long range. I've also had fun cutting down on some of Dash's upgrades and pairing him with two ion y-wings to help keep my health up and enemy's mobility low.

>>44307144
>all EU is excised from Canon, including Shadows of the Empire
>Outrider appears in the Special Edition of New Hope, meaning it's canon
>Dash Rendarr is canon
>Shadows isn't canon
>Shadows of the Empire is just the wild story Dash tells to get laid

>>44307342
>Yeah, I singlehandedly saved the Rebellion, helped steal the Death Star 2 plans, and respected the smuggler's code with Han and Princess Leia.

>>44307342
Outrider is in ANH, and a Xizor toy is used as a person in the stands of the Mos Espa Podrace.

>>44305839
If Aftermath is anything to go by, they're defunct/2spooky by the Battle of Endor. Would be neat though, as long as they don't play it for giggles like most of the B1s in TCW.

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>>44307144
Firespray isn't very good for Imps, its not bad though. Scum & Villainy are the best use of one although if you intend to play both then it minimizes you purchasing.
Decimator is great, not mandatory by any means. Just a bulky and super durable big ship that loves to take Crew upgrades.
Don't sell the Shuttle short, its a fucking heavy gunship and trrop transport that Palpy and Annie used as a limo in the movies.

Hell, nothing is mandatory or useless really, there's just things that are better than others. The way you fly matters much more than your list, not that the list is a complete faceroll mind you.

Depending on your chosen pilot, the Outrider can fly different ways but Dash Rendar is arguablt the best and basically just does donuts through asteroids all over the map and lets the turret do the talking. He does his own thing, so you'll want the rest of your list to stick together as group 2.

Seriously, check the 1d4chan page in OP. Unlike most, its actually a really good guide. Also check Cardboard Dungeon ship reviews on Youtube, they have good insights.

https://youtu.be/WjUYX8IMTa8

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>>44307260
So there is nothing actually wrong with starter TIE/ln's and a single Interceptor to start with?

>>44307177
I saw some people online saying that Force objects will be a thing now, like Kylo gets visions from Vader's helmet which is what the "show me" line means.

>>44307407
The only reason I didn't mention the shuttle is because I have a hard time imagining it in a dogfight, unlike, say, the Falcon.

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>>44307389
>a Xizor toy is used as a person in the stands of the Mos Espa Podrace.
army men are canon because one was used as greeble for the executor model, and batman's tumbler is canon because it's on the underside of the tfa falcon

>>44307435
Check out the Lando comics if you haven't.

Seriously, it establishes the artifact thing and is fantastic.

>>44307419
No, the /ln benefit greatly from Howlrunner in the single TIE pack to give them rerolls and make them much more threatening but I've run just three stock basic TIE before and they shot down a B-Wing who couldn't get away from them.

I can't give you advice on Interveptor tactics, I don't use them, but as I said before they are a mainstay to many Imp players.

Give this a listen, see what you think. Check his other vids too.

https://youtu.be/MfKpx2dgaUU

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>>44307463
Dyed Q-tips, too.

>>44307463
If I took that Batman Tumbler off, would it die?

>>44307461
Shuttles are pretty cheap in-universe and in the game, built far more durable than their price has any right making them, and can be armed to the teeth.

They're slow as fuck and turn poorly, but they can perform a complete stop as a maneuver. If you plan your asteroids well and maybe take the card that givex guarenteed damage to any ship that hits them, you can really punish a pursuer. Just remember that the bad maneuvering means you gotta be three turns ahead in planning. Gotta be Sheev.

>>44307090
>hot and run
I like where this is going

>>44303797
Especially because Rey sliced his saber

>>44307684
Why do you think Captain Phasma is there?

>>44307080
You're not wrong, but x-wing is set up to be pretty 2d. Plus for the TIE/sf the enemy would have to be almost underneath you for side-shots, which isn't possible in x-wing either.

>>44307090
Yea, the First Order seems like they'd be spending more money on individual TIEs since they can't rely on waves and waves of their own men like the Empire could.

>>44307563
It would cause extreme malfunctions

>>44307771
The rulebook flat out says the reason ships can pass through each other and not take damage unless they end a turn touching is because the game represents a 3 dimensional battle.

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>>44305765
Stated right here, I can only assume if the cheapest ship has it, the more advanced military craft must also have it.

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>>44307910
You're absolutely right, I'm just theorizing that the sf would have such harsh downward arcs to the sides, the enemy fighter would have to be fairly directly below them. I don't think it could be represented with a 360 arc the same way the gun on top of the falcon could.

I did a shitty drawing that hopefully communicates my misgivings.

>>44308061
MC is highly modified though. It literally was a bounty hunter ship for awhile.

So if the rebels are all about expensive pilots and intership synergy, and the empire is about outnumbering the enemy using lots of cheapo ships, what is the scum and villainy faction about?

So I'm going to start work on homebrewing CIS/Trade Federation for X-Wing.

So far I'm planning on working on:

>Tri-Fighter
>Vulture-Class droid Fighter
>Hyena-class Bomber

It's been a while since I watched the prequels, are there any others people would want to see?

>>44308216
Were there non-droid fighters?

I'm not sure if the ship Count Dooku uses is suited for space combat, but maybe that.

The flying-saucer droid gunship as a large ship, perhaps. (http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/2d/DroidGunship_ICS.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080121190542)

Think of it like the ocean. We've got charts of the area, but the sea-bottom itself is almost entirely unexplored.

>>44308216
Nantex
Belbullab
Ginivex
Mankvim

>>44308270

Added HMP Droid Gunship (the flying saucer).

Dooku's solar sailer, I don't think it even had any armaments.

>>44308216
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Belbullab-22_starfighter/Legends

>>44308323
Good point about Dooku's ship.

I must have been thinking of the Nantex that >>44308315 mentions, the Genosian one

OK, first I done would be the most common.

>Vulture-Class droid Fighter - 12
1/2/2/3/1 Focus/Evade/Barrel Roll

This one was easy. It's a TIE fighter, but less agile, with the trade that it gets a point of shield.

>>44308515
I don't remember seeing anywhere that Vultures have shields.

>>44304607
Do they have life support?

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>>44308216
Don;t forget the Classic Droid Bomber From Starfighter/Jedi Starfighter, the Makvim Interceptor, or this family of associated mercenary ships http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sabaoth_starfighter


>>44308323
>>44308399
It had Tractor/repulsor nodes, and the forward cockpit could be replaced with a gun blister and the command moved deeper inside.

>>44308399
Also the Star Chaser could be a good one, it IS made by the same company that made the Trade Fed Destroyers and is about the right age.

>>44308515
>>44308545
Vultures have no shields, their slower, more expensive predecessors the Scarab Fighters had limited shielding.

>>44308545

I guess I could drop the shields from them, and bump them down to 11 points. Since them being the cheapest ship in the game would make sense.

>>44308515
Don't think they have shields. They should have a torpedo slot also I think.

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I swear to god I am now completely feed up with
>Darth Jar Jar

Shit's getting worse than Minions advertising, I can't talk about Star Wars IRL anymore without someone bringing it up

>>44305671

...holy shit, is that glorious beard confirmed or just a fan thing?

>>44307856
It's a big ship.

>>44308186
Both, and using dirty ass tricks on top of that.
Meaning they have reduced strength in both while having much more diverse special rules.

Imperial abilities are all about being a lone wolf killer or buffing a swarm, Rebel are being overall badass untouchable or supporting each other's weaknesses. S&V fuck with your opponent, or have abilities like Imp/Rebs but inverse; like modifying the enemy rolls rather than your own, or temporarily bolstering the shit out of yourself.

They're supposed to be middle road, which is why they share ships with Rebels and Imperials.

>>44308680
>I can't talk about Star Wars IRL anymore
Why would you want to talk about Star Wars with a bunch of disgusting casuals in the first place?

>>44308729
UUUU

>>44308761
I feel like the firestorm is only Imperial because they wanted to cash in on Boba Fetts ship as soon as possible.

Vader also hired IG-88 and Bossk but imperials can't use IG-2000s or Hounds Tooth.

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>>44307177
>>44307435

>>44308887
Well, it was supposed to be a police ship, and policing things is something the Empire is big on.
Also it was built by a company that made a lot of other Imperial ships, so it makes sense that any non-Boba firestorms would be Imperial.

>>44308937
Dark greetings!

>>44308887
Yeah, but Bossk and IG-88 didn't call the Empire to do their dirty work.

Jumpmaster should have been Empire though, Mist Hunter for Rebels.

Well, I just got completely fucked in an Imperial Assault game. I'm the Imperial player and a friend of mine is playing all four rebels (Fenn, Diala, Jyn and Gaarkhan). We were playing the A New Threat story mission, after I won Brushfire by the skin of my teeth.

So, he has Jyn go first. She's got the DL-44 already and Quick as a Whip for a class card. She heads south to attack the Probe Droid there and destroys it in one hit. I use my other Probe Droid to try and attack her, but she uses Quick Draw and destroys it in one hit as well. I'd held off using my Prey Upon Doubt card because I'd worked out the odds of her doing that much damage and they were fairly high, so I didn't expect her to do it twice.

So I've lost two droids and an activation already and it's his turn again. He goes with Gaarkhan and Charges north to attack the elite Probe Droid. He has the Extended Haft on his Vibro-Ax so he can do it without even straining to move. He attacks twice and destroys it.

I manage to save my other Probe Droid, but only by taking pot shots and retreating, but I'm stuck in a corner so I can't do shit.

And that was the beginning of the end for me. My elite Nexu lived for a couple of rounds, but Diala got lucky with the first crate and got a C-1 Commlink. Guess which card was exhausted at the start of round 2.

So yeah, I've never seen such a one sided fight before. Even when I brought the reinforcements into play and some Royal Guards deployed from the Open Groups I didn't stand a chance. My only saving grace is that he dallied about for a round and finished on round 5 instead of round 4, so I got an extra bonus at the mission end.

>>44308979
Fair enough. Although all the Imperial Firespray pilots are bounty hunters and slavers, which kind of sticks out from the rest of the faction.

>>44308216
General Greivous's fighter

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>>44308216
Asajj Ventress has a cool one

Hey anons, any suggestions for a good ship for a member of planetary aristocracy? Near Endor-era.

>>44309253

Resistance or Empire?

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>>44309275
>Resistance
This reminds me, people on my Facebook are already posting about feeling "nostalgic" for the first time they saw TFA.

>>44309275
Something independent that wouldn't look out of place in Imperial space, since the character is from Serenno

>>44309330
The Resistance seems okay to me. The basic idea of a peace agreement between the New Republic and old Imperial Remnant being broken by the establishment of an Imperial junta and a New Republic-funded guerrilla group seems totally reasonable.

>>44309372
Resistance isn't guerrillas. Its defensive militias.
Like what the founding fathers of the US intended to have.
>>44309330
I'm gonna guess they're only doing it to troll you literally.

>>44309372

Then a Lambda-class shuttle wouldn't be out of the question.

>>44309372
I don't think it's unreasonable, though I do think Resistance is a ridiculous name for an organization that isn't really resisting an overwhelming force or something like that. It's just a synonym for Rebellion, so it's only used to further ape ANH.

>>44309486
If it's supposed to be a purely defensive organization, "resistance" isn't a completely horrible name. It's supposed to resist aggression.

So I'm guess we're going to keep getting OT ships for the next few waves of X-Wing and Armada? I mean, TFA didn't really introduce any new ships besides the new X-Wings and TIE Fighters which we'd already seem plenty of and which have already be released for X-Wing anyways and they can't do a whole Armada wave with just one capitol ship for just one side.

I mean, I suppose there's also Leia's B-Wing shuttle and the 'Quadjumper' but we really saw very little of those and there's nothing to balance them out for FO.

>>44303193
I'm going to be running an Edge of Empire game and I'm really unsure of what starter ship to give to the party. I don't want to give them the YT-1300 or Firespray since those are a little too iconic. The Wayfarer could work but I'm still unsure. What are other good starting ships that people have given their group?

>>44309808
The HWK ships are popular starter ships

>>44309808
G-9 Rigger if you hate them, Ghetroc-720 is a strong choice for a light freighter that isn't a YT-model... HWK-290 if you want to really jam them in there...

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>>44309739
Kylo's Shuttle?
The troop transport maybe, as the new Lambda.

Maybe the new Falcon to balance the two big ships.

Or maybe something from the new comics. Its all canon now.

>>44309739
They made up (With permission) one of the bigger ships in X-wing, didn't they? They might just do that again to keep things even.

>>44309879
Why someone would put their pilot in that position? That's just asking to get painted a bullseye

>>44308588
yeah that's apparent in the movie.

>>44309916
Then why do they still wear those clunky suits?

>>44309879

I forgot about Kylo's shuttle. I suppose they could do a half-wave with that and Leia's transport.

>>44309911

If the command section isn't ridiculously exposed, is it really an Imperial ship?

>>44309911
D-Day landing craft had their helmsmen kind of raised and exposed and Star Wars is WW2 turned up to 11. Also, landing craft would be shot at from the ground if everything is going the way it should

Yeah, I agree it's stupid but these might be reasons

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>>44309911
Because it looks like the pilot's position on the old landing craft from WWII.
Closest I can find is the LCM 3, which was a vehicle lander.
Still, I have to ask why there a gunner's position isn't on the bottom of the craft, since the thing is generally going to approach from above.

>>44309911
Like a TIE pilot would give a shit. They get off on being imperiled.

>>44309941
So if something goes wrong they can still breathe? Also the Tarkin Doctrine if that's still cannon.

Everyone talks about their favorite ships, but what's the worst ship ever?

>>44309941
Because they're smarter than the Rebels/Resistance. If the fighter springs a leak, the TIE pilot will be fine. A X-Wing leaks, your totally awesome ace is going to die.

>>44309941
So they aren't instantly fucked if they get shot? Sealed suit + backup air supply means that you can get picked up assuming you ejected before fireballing.

Don't think the movies ever really touch on the issue, though I certainly remember it coming up in ye olde X-wing games, it was their way of not game-overing you if you died (though depending on the mission you could end up picked up by the opposing faction)

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>>44310133

The normal first order TIE fighters are just the old ones but slightly better, its the two seater version that has life support and a hyperdrive.

>>44309941
>>44310097

I think I read somewhere in a something from the new canon - maybe Ultimate Star Wars but I don't know - that said they wear suits because their ships don't have shields so they're more likely to spring a leak.

Granted, the shields on Rebel ships don't really help them survive more than your average TIE so they should technically wear suits in the Rebellion as well; yet they don't because ultimately it comes to a stylistic choice by the moviemakers. Faceless evil drones versus heroic face-visible freedom fighters.

In X-Wing, is a YT-1300 ever a match for four TIE/ln, or can it at least survive six rounds evading them?

I ask because I was talking about replacing the clunky EotE ship combat rules with a game of X-Wing, but my players say it would be way too hard for their YT-1300 to survive.

>>44310133
>>44310178
/topic

>>44310133
K-wing is pretty fuckin bad

>>44310203
Depends greatly on upgrades chosen and player skill on both sides.

But yes, its very feasible.

>>44310201
Standard TIE's, yes, are still without shields.
The two-seaters are a Special Forces variant that does have shields, life-support and a hyperdrive in addition to extra armament in the form of the turreted lasers and missiles/torpedoes.
Still, there's a reason real pilots who fly near the edges of space wear full enclosed and protected suits: shit happens. It's best to be prepared.

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>>44310097
>>44310135
>>44310143
>>44310201
>>44310268

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I like this ship a lot. Shame there's no hyperdrive.

>>44310074
>>44310051
I did get that vibe when i watched them at the movie, but at least i would have made it so the pilot could sit to decrease the height of that cockpit.

Nonetheless, excluding the cockpit issue, i like the design.

>>44303193
does anyone have a form fillable char sheet for force and destiny?

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>>44310340
Fuck off, Char, and take your pink flight suit with you.

>>44310133
Howlrunner

My friends want me to GM with this system, and I was thinking of doing Old Republic, what Fantasy Flight Games should I use for that?

>>44310469
If it's in space, what do the engine intakes, well, take in? There's no air.

>>44310562
I will fight you and fuck your waifu

>>44310616
EoTE and F&D are what you'd want.
If you want ship stats, just ask and I will provide

>>44310630
The engines switch over to ion ones when it enters space

>>44310238
What makes you say that? I always thought space!A-10 was pretty awesome.

>>44310616

Just take any of the FFG systems, file the serial numbers of the ships and you're good to go.

Star Wars. Star Wars Never Changes.

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>>44310631
Good thing there's one engine for each of us.

>>44310661

Thanks. Old Republic Ships are basically reskins anyway.

>>44309486
>I don't think it's unreasonable, though I do think Resistance is a ridiculous name for an organization that isn't really resisting an overwhelming force or something like that.
Well, officially they aren't from the New Republic, so I'm guessing they are supposed to be (officially) rebels to the FO on their territories.
It makes sense that they will present themselves as a resistance group, even if they are more than that. And who know, maybe most of their personnel is actually from worlds under FO rule or threat.

>>44311189
The resistance is a militant group funded covertly by the Senate to regulate the power of the First Order while still exporting the horrors of war to FO systems, it's weird because it's a very Cold War set-up in a universe who apes WWII like it's its job.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/21/great-change-in-the-galaxy/

Imperial assault might not be stuck in the hyper stagnant meta now

yay

>>44310753
>>44310562
Why do you do this? Do you see me coming in and insulting X-wing, A-wing, Arc, Headhunter or half-sister E-wing? Please sir, insult the ships that deserve insults, like the Pinook.

>>44310631
Fight on sir!

>>44308216
https://tripperary.blogspot.ca/2015/12/x-wing-standalone-prequel-extension.html

>>44310630
Space in star wars is full of forciclorians.

Just ordered the TFA X-Wing starter set. What am I in for, lads?

>>44312557
Power creep

I wish TFA's cinematography even TRIED to evoke past films.

Other than that there are little things that irk me, but that's the big one. Even the prequels looked more "Star Wars" than a film where all the props are there but the lighting and panning are nowhere to be seen.

>>44312636
>the lighting and panning are nowhere to be seen
While watching it, I kept thinking "this doesn't look like Star Wars, it looks like the new Star Trek." Then while Han and Leia are having their conversation at the Resistance base, suddenly the film quality shifted and the lighting, color balance, everything looked spot on till almost the end of the movie. I'm no film expert so I don't know what happened, but maybe your showing was like mine?

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>>44312724
I felt the same way-Han and Leia meeting definitley marks a turning point for the better in the film

>>44312167
>>44310631
I only insult the Howlrunner to see proof that chivalry isn't dead.

>>44312724
I didn't really see a lighting shift there, but I think a lot of it is that the Starkiller planet is really far too high-contrast.

I still don't think Abrams can shoot. It's at least not shaky, but a lot of really fast pans makes it hard to focus, especially if you're used to videogame frame-rates like I am.

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>>44304237
>given that JJ said flat-out "The Sith are extinct"

Based JJ. That alone makes the new trilogy for me

>>44312874

As did I. For a lot of the movie, I just felt like I was watching a contemporarily-edited movie, and not a Star Wars movie.

As much as I and every other reasonable person dislikes the prequels...one thing I don't ever really hear brought up is the cinematography. They still feel like the shots and cuts are Star Wars, screen wipes and all.

Rey in the desert and the subsequent dogfight, and then the Starkiller infiltration sequence up until the end of the movie both felt very Star Wars-y

I'm fine with it and was expecting things to "feel" different, and this is the whole reason why a Director is important, but I do think Abrams could have made it feel better had it not been so action-crammed.

>>44313086

I literally saw somebody trashing the prequels for using the transition wipes "like straight out of PowerPoint" the other day. And they said it unironically. They seemed to forget that that's how almost all of the transitions in the OT were as well.

>>44312636
>>44312724
>>44313086
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS!
That's why I feel I can just ignore these movies entirely if I have to.
They didn't LOOK right!

>>44308156
Rolling is really quite a quick manouver. If we're assuming ships are able too move over/under eachother while manouvering assuming a tie can do a like 50 degree roll to keep the enemy ships "under" him isn't unreasonable.

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>>44310178

>>44308597
I saw some homebrew rules that gave the vulture drons 1 hull but 4 agility at 9 points each. Which seemed to capture the swarm of agile light fighters well.

>>44313086
There's a few shots I do like, but they're actually just apes of other films (TIE sunset, some of the really wide-angle Jakku shots).

I just hope Disney doesn't decide "this is how SW looks now" and forces the other directors to ape it.

Help us, Rian Johnson, you're our only hope.

>>44313208
I can guarantee you that would break the game, mostly just due to sheer ship numbers. 11 shots puts you in a place where it's impossible for opponents to avoid arcs, and they can't kill ships fast enough.

Even my rules (>>44312374) for Vultures are probably a bit broken.

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>>44313184
>mfw
Didn't even notice that launch bay is large enough to berth the Executor.

>>44313228
I actually hope they scroll to the right or to the left and then edit TFA to do that instead of scrolling down.
OT scrolls down
PT scrolls up
ST should scroll left or right. Get some own identity in there.

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>this thread

It sounds like a lot of people really wish George had made TFA

>>44312874
Isn't the whole point of the howlrunner to show how to shit Incom went after the X-Wing team went Rebel?

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>>44313641
>criticizing TFA means you wish they'd repeated Lucas' mistakes
2/10, see me after class

>>44313690
To be fair, we really could have used a shitty Lucas-style infodump on the state of politics since Jedi. We don't know diddly squat since all our previous knowledge was thrown out the window.

>>44313731
Yeah, half the people I overheard while walking out thought they'd blown up Coruscant.

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>>44313690

No really, dude. Im not saying people aren't entitled to their opinions. But a lot of the issue seems to be "its not like star wars"

Since the only constant between the every star wars movie and this one is George (and lack of George), its pretty much "i wish this george, but good"

Criticize all you want man, thats cool, I support you 100%. It just seems that the criticisms arent...i dunno...they just seem weird and nitpicky to me. IMHO of course.

>>44313641
Actually they loved it, they are just trying to find reasons to hate it in order to avoid becoming optimistic about the future of star wars.

George did that to them. He made them hate being happy.

>>44313779
Shit, I though they blew up Coruscant.

So at the beginning of A New Hope, Palpatine figuratively dissolved the Senate.

In the middle of the Force Awakens, Snoke /literally/ dissolves the Senate.

Snoke 1
Palps 0

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>>44313799
>reasons to hate it in order to avoid becoming optimistic about the future of star wars

I really don't understand this. Isn't it easier to be happy and like something?

Aren't we all here because we like Star Wars?

>>44313824
Hell, I only know because I spoiled the movie beforehand intentionally.

Also, how the fuck were the explosions visible from the literal other side of the galaxy?

>>44313799
>projecting so hard, you could get a theater license

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>>44313794
>Since the only constant between the every star wars movie and this one is George (and lack of George), its pretty much "i wish this george, but good"
Please tell me you've never passed any sort of logic course because this is such a basic failure.

>>44313731
>>44313779
>>44313824
Me too. The movie failed to mention that the New Republic has elections to move the capital every so often and was based in the previously unknown "Hosnian System" at the time.

>>44313794
>"its not like star wars"
Wut?
TFA is the most like Star Wars that Star Wars has been since fucking 1983.
Anyone who says that is a fucking retard.
Everyone saw the mess the prequels were when George had total control. The franchise's peak was when reins were pulled away from him for Empire.
He had a good vision, he's just was not good at getting it across. And then he got greedy and just wanted to sell toys.

>>44313852
but Snoke is Palpatine, anon

>>44313858
Some people, usually autists who trawl the depths of the interwebs, think that being pessimistic negative nancys make them look smart and that anyone who shows a hint of optimism is a pathetic, brainwashed sheep following the masses.

>>44313779
>>44313824
Wait, they didn't blow up Coruscant?

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>>44313868
>Please tell me you've got better troll posts for me to attack, because this is the most fun I've had all night

Whats your opinion on the movie then?

I'm trying to have an actual discussion, so lets have some discussion, you and I

>>44313879
I've said it once, I'll say it a million times: George Lucas was best when there was someone around to tell him 'no', because the man comes up with one brilliant idea a day, three good ones, five workable ones, and ten absolutely terrible ideas and he can't tell the fucking difference.

Now that he's only around as a creative consultant, this is the hypest I've been for Star Wars in a long, long time.

>>44313862
>Projecting

I actually unabashedly enjoyed that movie.

My only nitpick was supercalifragilisticespialidious

>>44313968
Nope. The New Republic capital is in the Hosnian system.

You can see it here >>44303249

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>>44313794

Well......did you WATCH the movie yet? Do you have some opinions or counterpoints you'd like to share with the class?

>>44313156

If that isn't sarcasm, I honestly feel a little bad about bring it up, now.

If you liked the movie, you should just LIKE the movie, dude.

>>44314037
He's actually not even around for that - they threw out his ideas for the ST. Saying he's a creative consultant is just a fancy way of saying "he's George, this is Star Wars, we just bought the company so we're playing nice for now."

He had nothing to do with the film.

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>>44314059
>Well......did you WATCH the movie yet? Do you have some opinions or counterpoints you'd like to share with the class?

I saw it three times
thursday 2d with my friend and his fiance
friday in imax 3d with my dad
and saturday in imax 3d with all my friends

I enjoyed the movie so much because it made star wars new for me, and gave me an experience I've never actually had before.

My only two nitpicks are Rey and Phasma - one being that Rey was somewhat uninteresting and was fairly mary sue'ish - but I figure that will probably straighten itself out in later movies. And Phasma, but again, something that will likely straighten itself out in later movies.

Favorite thing ever: Finn and Poe and BB-8.

Really, we need more Finn & Poe excellent adventures

>>44314037
So what the fuck do you want with George and the new movies? They're out of his hands and the franchise will be better for it.
He's not as bad as Gene Roddenberry was with Star Trek, but if let to his own devices, he could have been.

>>44308061
That picture is totally Fannon.

>>44314059
>thinks liking the movie means you can never find anything wrong with it
I love A New Hope but god damn that's some choppy editing on that dogfight, yo.
Or Flash Gordon, which is TERRIBLE but I LOVE IT.
Or Kung Fury

And I liked TFA, it was fun. But that doesn't mean I don't have some problems with it. Just I like liked Star Trek 2009 but that plot has holes big enough to drive a star cruiser through.

>>44314149
>Fin & Poe excellent adventures
FUCK YEAH, AN ENTIRE MOVIE FOR MY OTP

>>44314037

Dont forget Cocaine.

Going to start a saga edition game soon, all three of my players want to be jedi, so I thought it would be fun to play during the jedi purge.

We're having an intro session, where they will play through Anakins assault on the jedi temple, try and have them survive and run away.
Then the next session will be a 'one year later' type thing.

Does this sound like a good idea?
How can I make the assault on the temple interesting?

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>>44314009
I enjoyed it and consider it on par with RotJ, which I think is what most people will settle on after the hype has died down. I'm glad to see a fourth good Star Wars movie and am cautiously optimistic about the franchise's future. Finn and Poe really stole the show for me after I expected them to be throwaway characters ala Wedge. I want to learn more about Kylo and his hinted connection to Old Republic stuff (i.e. his lightsaber design). Han and Leia were handled much better than I expected and I appreciate the choice to keep Luke in the wings.

That said, I can acknowledge the film has some flaws. Namely, the pacing was off and they tried to fit too much into the movie without making room for some important stuff. They really could have sacrificed an action scene or two to better describe the political situation, and I was disappointed to see another "biggerer, betterer, badderer" superweapon plot. Certain scenes, like Maz's castle didn't really fit in well and some of the dialogue feels a little too "Avengers" for me (where everyone is just so fucking quick-witted and "funny", same with Jurassic World). Rey was too much of a Mary Sue and the map to Luke is a dumb plot device.

Ultimately I would have preferred if they borrowed less from ANH and developed a more unique identity in some ways; in others I feel the film is a little too modern. Some scenes almost recaptured the magic and that is a very good thing.

Is my opinion satisfactorily positive to assure you I am not criticizing your logic solely out of a cynical desire to hate the new movie?

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>>44314362
>How can I make the assault on the temple interesting?

Best way to do that, is set the game a few days to a week before hand.

Write up a ton of interesting NPC's. Friends, rivals, other jedi teachers, masters - write up lots of fun encounters with these people, so the players really like them. Sell the game to your players as a Jedi training campaign, with the characters heading for the clone wars.

So when the assault comes, a lot earlier then the players expect, all these cool likable people get gunned down and saber'd, its going to create something close to loss with the players.

After that, the campaign will have its hopeless feel that you either want to cultivate, or introduce hope for players (and their characters) to strive for

>>44314378
>so quick-witted and "funny"
That fucking line from Finn about glasses, ugh.

>extras with contemporary hairstyles

>>44314170
>Flash Gordon - LOVE IT

Good man!

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>>44314149

I'm pretty much right with you there on all points, although I didn't really have a problem with Rey quite so much.

>>44314149
>>44314170

I dunno if you guys are taking me for a different anon, but it seems like you think I didn't like the movie? I did, actually. Feels like we've got stuff to look forward to now...Star Wars is back, maybe not the same as before, but we can finally move on from the Prequels....put them behind us.
>>44314170
Dude I'm the one who brought up the cinematography issues. Movie's got problems.

>>44314443
>Alone in the room, Kylo Ren - fuccboi -

FTFY

>>44314378
>like Maz's castle didn't really fit in well
The fuck you talking about? It was a perfect way to have a cantina without a bunch of disgusting CGI.
>Rey was too much of a Mary Sue
Okay, you're just an idiot.

>>44314443
Is.... that from the novelization?
>>44314495
I did like the movie and I'm interested in what the next movie will give, but I'm kind of looking more towards Rogue One than 8. Maybe just cause it's closer.

On the other hand, this and Marvel means that Disney will never NOT have something having some kind of release ever again. Premiers, dvd/bluray release, soundtracks, games, novels, comics....

>>44314516
Ahh, I guess my opinion wasn't quite positive enough.

>The fuck you talking about? It was a perfect way to have a cantina without a bunch of disgusting CGI.
I felt it was an unnecessary vehicle to give Rey Anakin's lightsaber. It felt kind of forced and diversionary. Maz is just an offbrand Yoda, and while I appreciated the nod to the cantina it just felt too much like concept art gone wild.

>Okay, you're just an idiot.
Excellent refutation. What would you call a character who is adored by everyone she meets, succeeds in everything she does the first time she does it (even outdoing characters established to be great at it) and never really seems to struggle at anything?

A huge part of the Star Wars experience is following the hero on a journey of learning and self-discovery, but what can Rey learn if she's already good at everything?

>>44314636

Yes it is.

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>>44314378

Pacing I actually agree with - not that it was wrong, but that they did something that was really needed. The movie looked like it was going to end with Rey and Chewie going into Hyperspace, credits, and then two years of time later, they find luke, and we get another carbon copy of the OT (luke and yoda training on whatever planet.) Now we have those two years for Rey to get her training and come into the next movie a Jedi Knight (or close to one). Best thing they could do, and I'm happy they did this.

Avengers dialogue was great, because we have comedy, without a shoe-horned goofy sidekick (ala Jar Jar) to try to tell us we should be laughing. Plus, all the characters came off with likable personalities, which was this movies biggest hurlde to overcome. they had to introduce NEW people and tell us that the characters we loved are moving on - if they had failed on making Finn, Rey, and Poe (and BB-8) likable, the whole trilogy would have been a waste of time.

Which, its copy of ANH strikes me as something they did as a way to stay safe, and not try something totally new that will backfire (like Ep1). However, there seems to be this idea that 8 and 9 will be copies of 5 and 6.

Also, I think it being close (a copy almost) of 4 is one of its greatest strengths. For me, it was like being in 1977 and seeing Star Wars for the first time - considering I was too young to understand star wars when I first saw it, this was something very new for me, and something I wouldn't have gotten if the movie was totally different (ala Ep1)

Also, Luke is basically the new Yoda, and the OT Characters are supposed to be plot devices. This trilogy isn't about them. they only help the story along.

>>44314362
It sounds fun.

Star Wars games, I find, benefit from an ongoing crisis or issue rather than the sandbox or slow investigation that other games cultivate-look at how FFG handles obligation, etc. The assault sounds like a good way to set this up, do like >>44314424 says and give the players opportunities to put themselves in danger and potentially rescue some npcs, either who can be helpful during the escape but ultimately die(or get captured and made into Inquisitors) or even make their own way out away from the players as potential plot hooks for 1 year later.

Definitely telegraph that Anakin is a force of nature and that his power level is significantly higher than the pcs. If the players don't take the hint, herd them with clone troopers away from the TPK before breaking out "I'll try force spinning your spines, that's a good trick."

Depending on how much you want to have happen in that year is the biggest issue I see happening. Are you going to give your players a chance to level up to show them scumming or soldiering it up? Will they have a say as to where they'll be in a year? Have they mostly been staying away from clones/stormtroopers or have they run into Inquisitors? Or has nothing really happened in the year aside from laying low? Etc.

>>44314689
>Pacing I actually agree with
I was referring to the pacing of TFA itself, not the whole trilogy.

>Now we have those two years for Rey to get her training and come into the next movie a Jedi Knight (or close to one).
Why bother? She's an instant expert at everything. Guess it's just the "will of the Force" at work.

>Which, its copy of ANH strikes me as something they did as a way to stay safe, and not try something totally new that will backfire (like Ep1). However, there seems to be this idea that 8 and 9 will be copies of 5 and 6.
>Also, I think it being close (a copy almost) of 4 is one of its greatest strengths. For me, it was like being in 1977 and seeing Star Wars for the first time - considering I was too young to understand star wars when I first saw it, this was something very new for me, and something I wouldn't have gotten if the movie was totally different (ala Ep1)
But I didn't want them to just play it safe. I wanted something new. I wanted them to tread fresh ground. Whether or not the whole trilogy ends up a rehash neither of us can say right now, but I hope it doesn't.

I didn't see the originals in theaters (I was born ten years after RotJ) so I have no nostalgic experience for them to replicate. I already rewatched A New Hope in preparation for this movie - I didn't want to pay $8 to see it again.

>Also, Luke is basically the new Yoda, and the OT Characters are supposed to be plot devices. This trilogy isn't about them. they only help the story along.
Yeah, I think this is a wise decision.

>>44314806
>Why bother? She's an instant expert at everything.
Managing to do things is not the same as an instant expert. The one thing it's easiest to point at and go why is she so good at this would be the swordfight, and that can be answered by she grew up alone on a desert shithole of a planet, so she knows her way around a fight.

Force powers are absolutely something you don't need training to pull off, that's half the reason jedi watch for signs of force sensitives, if you have people out there that can pull off crazy shit, it's best to teach them things so they don't do the badwrong crazy shit.

>>44314912
She doesn't even look that good at the fight even when she's winning. She's still just stabbing and poking and driving Ren back, it's just that he's slipping up because of his pain and doubts, and she's finally getting her shit together, so her stabs go from completely wild to decently timed.

What system would be best for running a game like TIE Fighter - the party being pilots for a TIE Fighter squadron? Saga? Age of Rebellion? Hacking the fuck out of X-Wing?

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>>44314806
>I didn't see the originals in theaters

I was born in 84, so neither did I. I saw the special editions in theatres, but again, it was still something I had seen a million times by then. I saw the PT in theatres, and loved every one - nowadays I consider Ep1 good for its practical effects (and pod racing), and Ep3 for those interesting little visual storytelling touches - 2 is by far the worst of the PT, and the worst star wars movie ever made, if not one of the worst movies ever made, and that primarily stems from awful writing, awful directing, and downright nails-on-chalkboard awful acting (exceptions being Christopher Lee).

TFA was an entirely new experience, and it was coupled with a number of things.
- no George, so whatever is made you know its going to be something new
- its going into completely uncharted territory, both from and EU and narrative perspective (for all that the PT were new movies, they were still just playing catch up to the OT).

As for pacing, I was talking about TFA as well. My big point was that ending with Rey finding Luke was better then a two years off screen search. Again, it reinforces to me that 8 is not going to be 5.

>mary sue rey
I have a problem with this too, but as I said earlier, I think shes going to cool down in later movies. My personal thought is she might end up going dark side.

I really want Kylo Ren to pull a Zuko, instead of just following the Vader arc to the letter.

>>44314689
>>44314806
As much as OT characters do seem to be plot devices, I think Han and Leia were handled well, providing heart, a change in pacing, and larger context for the film. I really didn't like seeing them separated, but I'm glad that it comes off as legitimate consequence of losing a child and not an arbitrary return to the status quo.

I can only hope Lando returns in the sequels to spur a mass defection of stormtroopers when they learn over half their number are his bastards.

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>>44314939
>>44314912

People seem to forget that Kylo was shot in the gut, was bleeding out, and was running on adrenaline and emotion. Thats why he was punching himself, to drive up the pain, and fuel his dark side power, which I figure was what was really keeping him going in that fight.

By the time Rey overcomes him, he was out of stamina, and out of gas.

He also completely rekt Finn, enough so that, at the time, we didn't know if he was alive or dead.

Also, the wound Kylo got was basically superficial - he got a nice facial scar, which is no big deal.

>>44315054
He got stabbed in the leg, the shoulder, probably lost a hand, so somebody got the good old Skywalker handshake this film too, and then the face scar.
Which you KNOW Kylo is going to obsess over.

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>>44315095

Obsess over while listening to linkin park

>>44314443
I'm all for SAT words but damn, I think you spilled your thesaurus on the page.