Star Wars General - Rey's True Identity Edition

>>44317333
First Order, huh?

Anybody else wanna see what civilian life is like on a world they control?

>>44317606
I am curious about how much of the pro-human stance they're bringing back. I didn't notice any aliens among the First Order but plenty of women, so it seems they're actively toning down that aspect anyway.

>>44317606
A boot stomping on a face, forever

>>44317606
they rule with an iron fist of love and tolerance.

>>44317785
Or Love and Peace.

General Hux is actually Vash Stampede. Wiping out the New Republic was just an accident. It all makes sense now.

>>44317606
Prepare for planet-wide cults.

First Order is the Empire principles being turned from a mechanical gear to a religious fervor. It's the Warhammer 40k version of the Empire.

There's a reason even the people in leadership positions look like they're in their 20's instead of their 50's, and why they actually had the demented crazy-balls to nuke Coruscant.

>>44317824
Hosnian Prime.

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Tatooine Clan episode #701
This week Luke is lost looking for the first Jedi temple while Han and Leia realize that their son Kylo has gathered up the remains of the criminal gang that Anakin controlled before his death while defending his son from the gang's evil leader. Now two new faces join the rebellion, a traumatized girl strong with the force but untrained, and a deserter from Kylo's gang. Can they find the village's last hope to stand up against the criminals, Luke? Can Han survive the confrontation with his angry son? Will we be able to tell apart the new soccer ball robot and the old garbage can robot? All this and more this week on Tatooine Clan: All My Passions - The Heritage Of The Jedi Force.

>>44317874
Is that the case? I saw a massive city-planet and just assumed it was the one from all the other Star Wars movies.

>>44317999
Yup. Coruscant don't have that many moons, and they say the name later.

>>44317999
They call it Hosnian at somepoint and it's not ALL city, just maybe a continent's worth of city.

Why a laser shotgun? Why not induce a nova? So they could hqve one habitable planet in the system spared for the heroes to watch on in horror from?

>>44318039
It's not even in the same system...

Maybe they were trying to avoid similarities to another suncrushing device?

>>44318057
But it's more like Centerpoint station anon.

And it's not like they are hiding the EU influences here.

>>44317606
Orderly.

>>44318170
First and foremost, in fact.

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>>44318210
>>44318170

Having Garm Bel Iblis try to suggert the Republic USE the Suncrusher was really lame. I mean if he had suggested the logical "Dump the torpedoes, ram entire fleets to death with the cone" solution the entire EU would have gone very very differently

>>44318293
>I mean if he had suggested the logical "Dump the torpedoes, ram entire fleets to death with the cone" solution the entire EU would have gone very very differently

>Yuuzhan Vong invasion ends with the Suncrusher just flying through their worldships till surrender happens
>Dark Nest ends with just flying through bugs
>Corellia secession might go off due to the Centerpoint probably being a fair match for the Suncrusher if used right
>More Sith? Solve with invulnerable fighter death

>>44318340
I do like how none of the attempts to duplicate Suncrusher Armor in the YJK series were totally successful.

>>44318431
They did duplicate the quantum armor in one of the Stackpole NJO novels I think.

>>44318500
They have Quantum armor as early as YJK, but it's not totally invincible like the Sun Crusher was.

It's just really good and absurdly expensive.

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I want some stats for this thing. It looks like a cool little ship that PC's could ride around in

>>44318732
Ooh, that's sexy.

>>44318732
This thing is dope. Gimme a minute I'll try to bang something up.

So with the First Order having the ability to make weapons that can more than stand up to lightsabers, as seen when Riot Trooper fucks up FN-2187, is it possible that Kylo Ren's guard is made out of the same material?

>>44318732
The bastard child of a Barloz and YT series and I love it.

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>>44318938
>FN-2187

His name is Finn, you first order loser

...Wow, i expected Daala's attack on Mon Calamari to be much more precise. There's supposedlynojly one BWing squadron and a few orbital guns? Even after the World Devastator attack i can hardly imagine the Republic leaving it defenseless like that. The first think the Devastators would have been used for after their capture was reconstruction of the world and its defenses.

>>44318938
Its not that uncommon, Magna-Guard electrostaffs where much the same.

>>44318938
Yes

>>44318938
Darth Bane went evil trying to mine lightsaber-resistant material.

>>44318732
Silhouette: 4
Speed: 3
Handling: +1

Shields: 1/1

Armour: 3
HT: 23
ST: 17

Hyperdrive: 2/12
Weapons:
Side-Mounted Medium Laser Cannon Turrets (fire arc port/starboard)
Dorsal Twin Medium Laser Cannon Turret (fire arc dorsal, linked)
Twin Medium Ion Cannons (fire arc front, linked)

Hardpoints: 2

Ships Complement: pilot/copilot
Passenger capacity: 4
Navicomputer: yes
Sensor Range: medium

>>44318938

The TrayTor Tonfa was wrapped in energy, which is probably what made it "resistant"

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>>44319053

Awesome, well done!

What should it be called?

>>44319081
The Wynona Rider

>>44319081
The Nova Dancer.

>>44318981

Confused him with Jar-Jar, considering both are about on the same level on the Annoying Cunt scale. Fucking hate that character so goddamn much.

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>>44319094
>>44319121

I was more meaning, what should the class of ship be called?

>>44319081
The Greedy Raven

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>>44319130

>hating Finn
>comparing Finn to Jar Jar

holy shit, I didn't even think this was possible
I hope you step on a lego

>>44319130

Really? I thought Finn was the best new important character.

Can someone refresh my memory here: Do they actually see Hosnian Prime being destroyed from across the fucking galaxy, or do they just see the laser?

>>44319179

How could they see the laser in the first place? I mean, it would have to be going through hyperspace to make it in any meaningful time frame, right?

>>44319179

Just saw the laser.

>>44319219
It makes no sense and was only done for dramatic effect. Undoubtedly this detail will cause endless nerd-rage for as long as these movies are watched.

>>44319163
I think Po is unless he's not important enough.
Is the next movie starring him?

>>44319244
>Is the next movie starring him?
ha ha ha

you're going to get rey up the bum, bro

>>44319136
It's a Corellian Patrol Craft.

Two to three letters, followed by a number.

>>44319179
>>44319219
>>44319240
Look, I used to be a bored first year engineering grad too. Just put it down to hyperspatial lensing effects temporarily shifting the galactic reference frame.

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>>44319081

* ThunderCougarFalconBird

* Blockade Dancer

* Sleight of Hand

* The Seductive Hutt

* BASE

* The Flying Half-Saucer

* Danger Close

* The Fighting Mongoose

* Starweaver

* Unending Woe

* Herald of Ruin

* The Bark (with a small personal craft onboard named The Bite)

* Doom of Creditors

* The Last Thing You Never See

* TIE Clunker

* Rebel Scumbucket

* Bargain Barge

* Party Bus

* Imperial Star Harasser

* Big Spoon

* GSS Shady Enterprise

* Backroom Deal

* The Outer Rimjob

* The Ludicrous Speed

* The Schwartz

* Legitimate Smuggler

* Blockade Creeper

* Twi'lek Thunder

* Hothball

* Vaders Limp Wrist

* The Crash Landing

* Inconspicuous

* Prowler

* Corellian Carnage

* Corellian Crusader

* Corellian Clearance

* The Impulse Buy

>playing Star Wars D20 revised
>make a character with an interesting arc in mind
>realise it's a stupid arc
>lose all will to play that character and want to make a new one

Also, not really a star wars question, more an RPG question in general, is it okay to gimp a character for the sake of roleplay? I've had characters in the past who exceptionally under equipped for story reasons, which lead to them being almost useless in combat. And as a GM, is it okay to play a campaign where the players are made aware you don't be pulling any punches and will completely cripple their character, to the point where they need to retire thale character or find a new use for them?

>>44319548
It's okay to gimp your character, to an extent. I mean as long as your GM isn't an ass or just focused on combat or something, it shouldn't be a problem if you're a bit more lacking than usual. That said, if you're not able to hold your own in at least a few aspects, your character probably isn't contributing anything meaningful to the party, which goes both ways in dragging them down and you not having fun since you mechanically suck. So feel free to not go full-in maximizing, but don't take it too far.

As long as you let players know ahead of time and they're fine with it, sure, it's fine to go into a more realistic/dangerous approach to things.

>>44317824
Isnt Coruscant super pro empire in the old canon?

The First Order being the COMPNOR remnants makes sense, right?

>>44319152

>Both pointless with no reason to be in the story? Check.
>Both unneeded comic relief characters? Check
>Both can't shut the fuck up? Check
>Both are considered the worst shitheads in their respective societies? Check
>Contribute exactly zero things to the story beyond getting the actually important characters where they can do something? Check

Do I need to go on?

>>44319989
I'd need a couple of years to tell you all the ways you're wrong, but something tells me you wouldn't listen if I tried.

How is this for starting out x wing? I havent decided on a faction yet. One of each starter sets and a x wing.

>>44320070

Try me.

>yfw snook is cant sheev the peev

Are dark jedi and sith synonyms?

>>44320231
No. A Sith refers to a specific order you are inducted into.

Dark Jedi are just Jedi who have fallen to the Dark Side.

>>44320231
Not quite, although they're often used as such. Being a sith implies following a specific philosophy, while a dark jedi would be any jedi using dark side powers.
For example the inquisitors and the emperor's hands are dark side users but are not sith.

>>44320231
No, the sith are a tradition/religion much like jedi. Dark jedi are jedi trained as jedi who do evil shit. Sith are dudes who train to be a sith and do evil shit.

A dark jedi can convert to sithism, much like a sith can convert to jedaism.

Hi, we are going to play a new campain in SWSE( probably KOTOR,, dm dind't say nothing for now). I want to play a scoundrel who doesn't know to "have" the force( i pick force sensitivity at lv1), maybe he becames a jedi later, but at the start he is a normal scoundrel fighting with blaster, piloting and being a scavenger. Do you have any advices?

Do you have any SWSE houserules for balancing?

>>44320335

Are the dark and light side moral opposites good and evil?

I always thought of it as chaos vs order in terms of philosphy.

The light side was about dispassionate control while the dark side was about passionate chaos.

>>44320351
My houserules are:
Play FFG or WEG star wars.

But, I fucking hate WotC star wars.

>>44320366
No, the light side is the (or was, depending on what disney does with the new canon) natural state of the force. The dark side is a perversion of it by it's wielder as they manipulate it for their own motives.

Confusing jedi and sith philosophies with the thing they worship is a common mistake.

I'm going to give my players a complete junker freighter full of critical hits in force and destiny. Are there any ships particularly well known for being junky?

>>44317333

What do guys think of this character idea for SW Rp:

>Information broker in Coruscant or other similar world
>Very good with technology, persuasion and other spy and knowledge stuff (basically a skill monkey)
>Dreams of being a Jedi, holds crazy respect for them
>But not Force sensitive
>Uses hia influence to gather Jedi holocrons and tech, strives to replicate Force powers with technology and to one day build hia own lightsaber
>Actually has a lot of skill in melee weapons but never uses it, saving it for the off chance party gets into trouble and he gets his hands on our Jedi's lightsaber so he can save the day and be cool

>>44320664

Corellian Freighter.

>>44320761

He's a jediaboo.

>>44320885
My understanding is that corellian freighters were known to be reliable and easy to mod, and that han was just shitty at keeping the falcon in shape. His mechanic comes from a world were shit's made with wood, afterall.

>>44320925

Yeah, but that doesn't really answer whether he seems like a good character concept or not.

Also, he's not supposed to act like a Jedi fanboy, but more as a quiet admirer who wants to be a member of the Justice League but knows he can never be. Also the conflict between being a smuggler and a mob boss and admiring the Jedi and their virtues.

Did anyone change SWSE from d20 system like dnd 3.x to a system like dnd 5th( bounded accuracy)?

So, if I want a more elite Empire squadron, I'd be better going for TIE/fo right?

>>44320999
Too much work, not enough reward.

>>44321027
If you still want tie fighters yeah. Tie interceptors have some pretty good ace pilots too of you want too branch out more.

>>44320096
Please halp /tg/ you are my only hope

>>44320963
My understanding was that it just required a lot of maintenance because of all the modifications it has. They're what made it super fast in hyperspace, and also look like a heap of junk.

>>44320096
One of each starter is a great start. I might recommend something else but if you really love X Wings, Wedge comes with the expansion and he has one of the best abilities.

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SWSE stat her

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>>44319989

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What is her race?

>>44321754
Dried apricot.

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>Just woke up early to see TFA with friends
>Genuinely loved it despite the absurd flak it's getting right now
>Come home
>Package arrived
>My 4 first order ties making a complete swarm
Today is a good day

So, what's the name of the micro star destroyers imperials use in rebels? I know they are replacing all the small gunships from the x-wing series with those and gozatis.

>>44321754
AYY

>>44321776
Arquitens-class light cruiser. I wouldn't necessarily say they replaced anything. It's bigger and serves a different role than a decimator, and Raiders are a design of fantasy flights own making. No one can really say for sure where those fit into canon yet.

>>44319548
>playing Star Wars D20 revised
literally why

A question about the first order. Are they what remains of the empire or are they just a faction amongst the empire remnants?

>>44321891
I don't think we know for sure.

We know as per new canon novels that the Alliance/Republic signed a treaty with the Empire not long after RotJ. Whether the FO is that empire, after re-declaring war, or a splinter faction unaffiliated with the legitimate empire hasn't been specified AFAIK.

>>44321754
Sloppy cgi mess. I'm sure they'll name her race in EU just like all those shit prequel races.

>>44321887
Because my group wanted to, because they have a phobia or learning.

so anyone curious to see how well Rogue one is gonna turn out?

>>44319152
Finn is dumb comic relief that never even manages to be as funny as BB-8 or Han or Poe, well, any of the characters.

Going to be playing my first X-Wing Epic match probably some time on Sunday, against a list that looks something like this:
http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!e!129:64,90,-1:-1:-1:;130:130,29,26,1,-1,-1,-1:32:23:;99:20,-1,21,46,102,-1:-1:-1:;97:101,-1,132,-1,94,138:15:3:;11::-1:-1:;11::-1:-1:;11::-1:-1:
Which seems like a dumb fun list, so I decided to also bring something dumb and/or fun and made this: http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v3!e!88:96,43,35,-1,34:-1:11:U.48;41:27,107,110,-1,-1:-1:3:;89:27,36,-1,136,34:-1:11:U.29;42:150,36,23,-1,34:-1:11:U.165;43:43,22,34,-1:-1:3:;43:43,22,34,-1:-1:3:;43:43,23,-1,-1:-1:3:
Neither of us has any experience with Epic prior to this, how much should I be expecting to get rekt?

>>44321976
Very.

>>44321185
Given the upgraded TIEs, does anyone else think we'll see TIE/fo Advanced and TIE/fo Interceptors in the future? I doubt they're gong to be making much new stuff as opposed to straight upgrading what was left over from the rebellion.

>>44320999
Why would you ever? Saga is closer to 4e then 3.5 anyway, forcing it to look like 5e would be the stupidest idea ever.

>>44321976
sort of.

it was always under my impression that it was the Bothans that stole and gave the info about the death star to the rebels. not some x-wing team.

speaking of X-wings my biggest disappointment about TFA was how the resistance only has Xwings now. no A-wings, B-wings or even a Y-Wing.

New player here, have about 10 games of x-wing under my belt. I want to start a scum and villains collection but I have no idea what to start with.

are headhunters good for spamming?

>>44317333
Has anyone else looked into the new TIE Defender stuff yet? I'm kind of interested to use it, so I knocked up an aces list based on what we've been given so far.

TIE Advanced - 33 points

Darth Vader (29) with Predator (3), TIE/x1 (0) and Advanced Targeting Computer (1)

TIE Defender (41)

Colonel Vessery (35) with Ion Cannon (3), Stealth Device (3) and TIE/D (0)

TIE/fo Fighter 26

Omega Leader (21) with Juke (2) and Comm Relay (3)

The plan is obvious. Lock on with Vader or Omega, Vessery cripples it with two round of rerolled shooting, Ion keeps unit in place for clean-up, rinse and repeat..

>>44322090
Bothans stole the second DS plans, who stole the first DS plans is never alluded to in the films (and in the EU they're stolen by literally everyone)

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>>44321754
Jawa

Those little goggles glow yellow in the dark

>>44319319
>Just put it down to hyperspatial lensing effects temporarily shifting the galactic reference frame.

Damn, you talk sexy.

>>44321729

>Not liking what I like
>Bait

Ok, sure thing boss.

JEDI PRINCESS IS CANON

KEN PALPATINE=SNOKE

>>44319130

The only thing comparable to Jar Jar was not-Yoda and BB8.

BB8 moreso, because he's the kiddie appeal vehicle really meant to push toys.

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I'm looking forward to seeing the new setting is developed.

Hopefully they play up the Cold War style proxy war angle between Resistance/First Order.

>>44317999
Silly fool, you probably also assumed the Massive Desert Planet was the one from all the other Star Wars movies. Or the Tropical Jungle Planet With A Rebel Base was the one from the other Star Wars movies. Or the Frozen World was the one from the other Star Wars movies.

Honestly, that was one thing that really sort of ground my gears. If you're going to retreat planets like that, why not just do it honestly? There's really no reason that Jakku couldn't have been Tatooine.

>>44319925
Still is, actually. Apparently the Republic has the Outer Rim for territory, while the Empire is restricted to the Core and Inner Rim, with the Mid Rim as a bit of a buffer. Hosnian Prime was just the capital of the Republic which I still don't understand why they needed one, given the entire deal with the Republic is it is a loose confederation with no standing army. That's the reason they are called the Resistance, is they are effectively just planet-based militias that only come together when under a severe outside attack.

>>44322134
What's your budget?
A box of Most Wanted is 2 Z-95, a Y-Wing, and pilot cards/dials for another Y-Wing, a Firespray-31, and a HWK-90.
Best bang for your buck if you already own the ships for the corresponding pilots.
And even if you don't, it's still awesome.

Unsure about Z-95 spam though, but at 12 points for the lowest tier, one could run 8 of them and still have 4 points left over for some small upgrades.
Sounds fun

>>44322241
Apparently the book Aftermath explains that Republic simply move the Senate between planets from time to time, which is why at that time they were located at Hosnian Prime.

>>44321754
I'm just ticked off that she's older than Yoda.

>>44322269
Wouldn't Yoda be older than her if he wouldn't die?
Or you mean that she's older and still alive?

>>44322167
really?

>>44321754

quick question,
didn't Luke lose his old lightsaber when Vader cut off his hand at cloud city?

shouldn't the lightsaber found at her place be the green one?

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>>44322237
Something makes me think the EP VII was about proxy war(s)
Think about it, Republic turned into the Empire that spawned Rebel alliance and now the Republic is back with the rebellion still running around while The New Order is trying to end both of them and succeeds partially on the Republic part.
Now there hasn't been much said about the old Empire and what happened to it after RotJ, except that it may still be around but vastly weakened.

So New Republic and New Empire are still fighting, not directly but through Rebels and TNO.
I put my money on that Snoke is ruling both TNO and Old Empire.

>>44322311
In Thrawn Trilogy, that lightsaber was also found, even with Luke's hand, used to clone him.

>>44322322
isn't Thrawn no longer canon?

>>44322294
At a thousand years, she was born a few centuries before Yoda.

>>44322341
Wasn't Yoda quite above 900 years old?

>>44322335
Indeed, but if they could, what's the problem with this happening anyway?

>>44322315
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Concordance not sure if Empire is confirmed kill though.

>>44322322
Considering how often amputation happens, the crazed Herbert West should be running around collecting limbs to make a Franken-Jedi

>>44322311
Consider the following:
If you caught wind that an ancient, very rare, and very valuable weapon was lost somewhere on Cloud City- wouldn't you and your crew be flying to that location to reap an easy profit?
Someone eventually found it.

>>44322259

I have only played with my friends' TIE-fighters and X-wings+Y-wings and I love the Y-wings for their versatility so maybe that box is the thing for me

>>44322368
>Wasn't Yoda quite above 900 years old?

"When nine hundred years old you reach, look as good, you will not".

So between 900 and 1000 when he went poof.

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>>44322269
I reckon a whole heap of people have taken the line 'for a 1000 years' literally instead of the more likely exaggeration/hyperbole of Han describing her.
ie
>"Chewies mom is so fat she weighs a ton!"
Chewies mum doesn't literally weigh 1000kg, but she's probably pretty fucking fat.

>>44322378
you see im basing it off that it must have fallen down that same pit luke did later.

and those shoots seem to just dump out over the gas giant.

>>44322063
I hope so.

>>44322480
Maybe it fell down a different chute that didn't open into the outside.

>>44322512
clearly.

Rather then Rey being able to fly the Falcon all by herself without ever flying something before Poe should have stuck around with Finn and been through out the entire movie as one of the new main characters,

>>44318732
>could have put turrets anywhere
>put barrels over access doors

lolno

>>44320761
What era is this set in?

>>44322563
Maybe they have problems with door to door salesmen?
Someone knocks when you don't feel like it, shoot them in the cock with a turbolaser

>>44322311
It was explained in the new Visual Dictionary for Ep VII, but basically someone went back to Bespin and found Luke's old blue saber, which was the one he got in EP IV. In EP VI, it was green because he made a new one, as per Shadows of The Empire novel.

>>44322184
Finn was no where close to JarJar levels and any comparison is just off the walls bonkers.

>>44322545
the Force+ knowing mechanical stuff very well as a scavenger.

and she also knew the Falcon pretty well too.

I mean this is a girl who basically self taught herself the first major steps to being a Force User on her own, she's pretty fucking powerful in the force.

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>>44320337
Playing a young Han Solo as a jedi will earn you a lot of conflict points. It works and it's hilarious, as long as you don't overplay it and don't end up either as comic relief or a darksider.

>>44322665
I just want more Poe in the movie desu.

>>44322685
This.

The movie suffered because it focused too much on Poetry than POEtry.

>>44320761
M Night plot twist: your character had the Gift all along. Your attachment and materialism were the only things holding you back.

>>44322633

Maybe not as bad as Jar-Jar, but the comparison is there. If Finn had been cut nothing would've been lost and the movie would've been better for it. His character should've been replaced with Poe. Or if you really want to put a Stormtrooper on the side of good in there, don't make it a fucking comic relief character.

>>44319130
I want /tv/ to go.

>>44322685
Between Oscar and Poe's writing he was easily most charismatic.

>>44322759
Think of it this way, Fin was for the first time in his life treated like a legitimate and actual human being. He's not used to dealing with the whole positive rewards and good feelings between comrades. To him, this is all new and makes him super fucking happy to be alive for once. He's a kid at heart really or more a young adult than his actual age would imply. And give the guy credit he has more than a couple scenes showing he's well and away more competent than you'd think at first blush and able to at least for a couple seconds fight against a damned sith who's a strong force user.

>>44322581

Not sure yet, but most likely in the Old Republic.

>>44322723

That's so fucking stupid it might actually be brilliant, but I have to pass. Gonna hold on the concept of being a Jediaboo with no Force.

>>44322759
>don't make it a fucking comic relief character
I bet you're one of the people who think Star Wars should be 40k-lite

This universe is a fun campy one over a grim dark real one.

>>44322825
>40k
>not campy

>>44322799

He's a failure of a Stormtrooper who worked sanitation. He refused to kill in his first battle, yet immediatelyafterwards he's perfectly happy blowing his former friends to bits. It's shown in the beginning that the other Trooper dying meant something to him, too. It makes no sense.

If they wanted to have a Stormtrooper on the side of good in the movie, they should've had him be stuck with the Resistance by some accident, mistaken as a traitor by the FO, and stay with Rey and Solo because he had nowhere else to go. The guy who you can't really trust, but he's useful right now because he knows shit and can shoot a blaster, who can ultimately prove himself to be good or betray everyone in later Episodes. It's not completely original, but it's better than "lol I guess I don't wanna be bad"

>>44322294
Yoda would be about 70 years younger (as he died 30 years ago at the age of 900).

Not a big age difference once you get a few centuries in. I bet he hit that.

>>44322759

>If Finn had been cut nothing would've been lost

I disagree. Vehemently. Finn was my favorite character-- he was comic relief who wasn't JUST comic relief. He had a simple, satisfying narrative arc. And John Boyega makes a really good "oh fuck" face.

But I'm not gonna call you a faggot just because we disagree-- besides, I too wanted more Poe.

>>44321891
>>44321933
>>44322241
>>44322315
>>44322368

Flipping through the Ep VII Visual Dictionary I get the impression that the old Empire is just straight up dead and that the First Order is all that remains and controls the fringe territories while the New Republic controls most of the galaxy proper. Which is unfortunate if true because a) it means the huge Imperial war machine gave up ridiculously quick and b) it shoots down the idea of a cold war between the New Republic and a true Imperial remnant.

Of course, the map given on the same page as the political lore is shit so more than ever I'm going with my strategy of choosing whatever the fuck I want as canon and ignoring the rest. Fuck, I've already retconned two whole sequences from TFA and I really enjoyed that movie.

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>>44321728
naw

Explorer Scout
13wounds
14strain
2 force rating

brawn 2
agility 3
intellect 2
cunning 3
willpower 3
presence 3

athletics 2
melee 3
ranged light 1
perception 2
vigilance 2
piloting space 1
piloting land 2

2 food rations

Scavvers robes,1 soak +1 advantage to concealment, +1 encumbrance, remove 2disadvantage dice from windy or sandy environments.

scavengers staff (melee) +3damage
crit 3
hard points 1
inferior, linked 1, unwieldly 3,

Any tips for a competitive Imperial list?

I have

>TIE Advanced

>TIE Bomber

>Imperial Aces

Could get a basic box, although I'm seriously considering getting two TFA starters

>>44322883

Not to mention how he mercilessly shoots fellow troopers on Takodana and how he shanks that poor stormtrooper with the lightsaber, prison style.

>>44322264
Aftermath actually doesn't say anything about that. It only says that the New Republic's Senate is established on Chandrila, with Mon Mothma as the first Chancellor.

Them moving the Senate about is in the TFA Visual Dictionary.

>>44322893
Everyone wanted more Poe I think, and I get the feeling Ep. VIII will have a lot more of him and a more serious Fin. Rey will go through her Dagobah arc and learn under Skywalker and likely we'll figure out who the fuck she actually is if anyone. Meanwhile Fin and Poe will probably become bros for life and lead the Resistance on a campaign against the first order looking for Rey and trying to track down an empowered Darth Ben Solo.

>>44322883
even though i liked him in the movies, this would have been really nice, i like this. might have bloated the story, but who knows.

>>44322903

Do you not own a core set? A core set seems sorta mandatory. Like for the dice. And rules. and rulers.

And as far as I know neither TIE Advanced nor TIE Bomber is particularly good without sidegrades. Vader is pretty good, but not super duper competitive in any builds I've seen.

If you get a Core or two you can make a decent "Swarm + Flankers" list using the interceptors. Load up on TIEs and stick Carnor Jax in the middle, then ram the enemy until they die a hot laser-y death.

>>44322901
mechanics 2
knowledge (ships) 3

>>44322947

See, that sounds pretty cool to me.

>"No, that's not true! That's im-poe-ssible!"
>"I will Finn-ish what you started."

I will ship Finn/Poe until the day I die.

Does anyone have those two fanfics posted yesterday? I was on my phone and couldn't save them.

>>44322759
>comic relief character.
You keep calling him that but he's not, there's a difference between being in a film with a sense of humour and and actually being a comic relief character. Everyone in this film was fun and had jokes, hell they make fun of Kylo's wrecking tantrums when the two stromtroopers walk the other way like "Oh shit he's at it again."

This was a funny film get bent.

>>44322883
Would you really still consider your fellow stormtroopers your brothers if they agree to shoot down unarmed civillians ?
Same goes with everything the Stormtroopers do in the movie.

I find it natural to realize that those you called brothers are actually monsters and that to survive you need to go throught them. Fin's shown to have a very strong survival instinct, it didn't surprise me all that much when he blasted those stormies.

>>44322893
I liked Finn too, but I kind of agree with the other anon - he's not particularly important in any capacity. Rey solves all the problems herself, Finn usually just gets in the way.

Also, what arc are you referring to? He didn't really change after leaving the First Order.

>>44315223
Its canon Kylo isn't a trained swordsman. His only real training is Force training, he couldn't even make a lightsaber. He had to jury rig existing ones together to make his own. The blade is wonky because the crystal is cracked.

He was only running on Force precognition.

>>44323053
Was wondering what was up with that. I was thinking it was just as he was so hellbent that the force was fucking with the lightsaber. Also, is Snoak/sloak actually Darth Plaguis?

>>44323034
>This was a funny film
>people unironically find Avengers "humor" funny
I guess movies just aren't made for me anymore, I find it insufferable and charmless.

>>44322901
what is this system?

>>44323052
>Finn usually just gets in the way.
Wut.

>Breaks out Poe
>Shits out tactical advice
>Exposes Starkiller base's weakness
>Goes back for Ray

>>44323084
you would fit well on /tv/ nothing is fun and only what you say is right.

>>44323090
FFG star wars rpg.

>>44323052
The entire deal with Rey dealing the problem by herself is her character.

It's shown time and again that she doesn't need help to survive or fight off enemies. Finn doesn't get in the way, he genuinely cares and wants to help her and he does so by being her sidekick

I think they have a great dynamic with all three new characters. Poe and Rey act and Finn is the support while still being capable by himself.

>>44323052
She would have never made it off Jakku without him and been blown up 3 times over. He did a lot to help fight the storm troopers and organized the whole rescue operation which in case you forgot, helped the whole resistance win the day by taking out the shields.

Also his arc was pretty obvious turning from coward to hero. Or did everything prior to that last light saber fight just mean nothing to anybody?

plz no bully.

Help me im new but I love the defender.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!70:27,22,-1:34:3:;187:152,153:-1:-1:;184:-1:-1:-1:;184:-1:-1:-1:

>>44323084
Really nothing got you to even crack a smile?

>I talk first? you talk first?
>Well this is what we look like, some of us, other's look different
>BB-8's pilot light thumbs up
>And I'll drop my weapon
>That's not how the Force works!

>>44322685
I really liked how Poe was a good leader as well as a good pilot. Most of his dialogue with other characters is supportive; he's all "you can do this!" and providing tips to his flight to try and keep them alive.

It works really well. He's the best pilot, yeah - he's arrogant (just look at his X-Wing and unique callsign) but he's not constantly trying to enforce that by putting other people down.

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>>44322759
>>a fucking comic relief character.

Hello sir, it appears that you could use the assistance of my memory banks. Alternatively, my friend HK47 has also volunteered to provide some different but assuredly permanent solutions to your cognitive issues. He wouldn't divulge exactly hat those would be though.

>>44323034

>Yells "Woooo!" every time something explodes
>Goes full gangstard when capturing Phasma.
>"Funny" oneliners and facial expressions the whole movie.

Yeah, he's the fucking comic relief. Not saying all characters didn't have funny moments or dialogue written in for them, but Finn was the most apparent one. It doesn't help he had NO reason to be in the movie.

how can you balance the poor BAb and HIGH AC and extremely HIGH power of the use the force skill in SWSE?

>>44323189
>he had NO reason to be in the movie

Yeah, sure whatever.

>>44323070
We don't know anything except the Vatican hates him.
>>44323084
We actually feel the same about you.

>>44323189
You arms must be elastic by how hard you're trying to reach right now.

>>44323189
>No reason to be in the movie
I mean he did show how horrible and evil the New Order was. What with the programmed stormtroopers, the civilian massacre and the sector-murdering superweapon.

Next you're going to say that Chewbacca has no reason to be in the film.

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>>44323189
i feel that you don't remember and refuse to remember his contributions to the plot.

>>44323107
Why do people get so defensive about others disagreeing with them here?

I did find some scenes in the movie humorous, like Finn begging BB-8 to say the location of the base or the stormtroopers walking away from Kylo's tantrum, or the mind trick.

But the style of humor where everyone is suddenly extremely witty and talking really fast and oh my god what a hilarious oun haha just seems fake and disingenuous. I've never seen anyone do that outside of major "nerd" blockbusters of the past five years.

In A New Hope, Luke convincing Han to rescue Leia is funny. Leia sassing the guys when they come to rescue her is funny. Threepio dropping the spaghetti when the troops find him and R2 is funny, likewise when he thinks his friends are being crushed to death. Han running after the storm troopers is funny. They have a simplicity to them, like the characters would actually react that way, not like a writer spent days planning that line as if the character was a contemporary person.

>>44323189
>gangstard

Now Anon I hate to be that guy but, and if I'm wrong just tell me, do you just not like blacks very much?

>>44323211
>>44323233

How was Finn's presence needed for those scenes to work? The only thing he ever did was to reveal the weakness of the FO base, which you could handwave with "oh we interrupted one of their transmissions" or whatever.

I get that you liked him, for god know what reasons. Okay. But his presence was completely unneeded in the context of the movie. All his scenes and interactions could've been done by Poe with only a minor change or two to the plot and it'd have been a better movie.

How would you guys expand if you already have two X-wings from the core box?

We are pretty casual so I was thinking just an A-wing and a Y-wing to start.

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>>44323258
ahh, now that you elaborated i think i see where you're coming from.
i can see how the endlessly witty protagonists can get old pretty quick.

>>44322901
I'd love to see this compared with her in episode 9

>>44323280
RIght, and how would Poe escape withouth force powers and nothing ?

Finn tied Rey in with the Resistance and drove the story to meet Han and then the resistance and everything.

Sure they could've handwaved it with other ways, but Finn was a good choice and a more organic one.

>>44323280
But you can say the same thing for about every other character in the film though.

Why couldn't we cut Ray and have Finn become a jedi?
Why couldn't we cat Han and have Leia do all the running around?
Why couldn't we cut Leia and have Han do all the genrealship?

>>44323280
>if i change the plot to make him have no role, then he is completely pointless!

damn you sure showed me.

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>/tv/ shit posters are leaking into our threads
>/tg/ is taking the bait

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>>44323332
lets just cut everyone and have poe free himself with his force powers, then goes and beats ren, saves han and trains luke.
the movie we want.

>>44323350
>people with different opinions are shitposting
This general has gotten way too stuck up lately.

>>44323367
Not enough girl power, turn Pie into a girl then it works, as we've seen in the last couple of threads.

>>44323350
talk about the rpg's and i'll stop engaging the virulen/tv/irgins

>>44323370
It's true though, both here and on /co/, lots of /tv/ shitposters who only see the universe in one way.

You can usually spot them when they say TCW sucked or only MOVIES are canon.

>>44323329
>>44323341
>>44323332

Literally the only thing that would change if Finn was cut that Poe would have to escape via some other means and meet with Rey after crashlanding on Jakku. That's everything. If you removed other characters, you'd need to fill a lot more voids and holes with something else.

But as a bonus for cutting Finn, you'd get rid of 80 % of the annoying dialogue and unfunny jokes in this movie.

...

>BOOM
WOOOO!

>>44323292
Get Rebel Aces before single A-Wing. It has pilots and upgrades you want.

Consider doing Scum & Villainy as your second faction, as Most Wanted has cards to make the Y-Wing actually a bomber rather than just a heavy ship with a turret.
B-Wings are god tier Rebel ships.

If you wanna go heavy on bombs/missiles/torpedoes, get a Headhunter and/or K-Wing.

Moldy Crow is a great support ship.

You can't go wrong with a Falcon or Outrider.

>>44323379
female futa Poe stabbing ren with her lightsaber

>>44323370
There's a difference between a differing opinion and your shitty straw argument about ignoring the 80% of the movie where Fin was important to say that Fin didn't do anything and should be removed because he's "le epic quip man" even though he had maybe 2 quips among all his lines of dialog.

>>44323409
Removing Finn forces you to make Rey shoot more, making her more of a Sue.

The most useless character is actually C-3PO, who served absolutely no purpose except to appear.

>>44318938

Riot Trooper is, I've got to say, one of my favourite nameless-faceless dudes in a movie of late

>>44323409
And who's gonna show to Rei that she need to be Jedi by keeping the lightsaber she didn't want to keep and the endangering his life to protect her ? Han ? We know how he ends up.

As fir the dialogue this is entirely with you. Not the screenwriter's fault you've got a 2x4 lodged in there.

>>44323084
really

really

you think the Avengers came up with Star Wars quipping

>>44323427
But I'm not even the guy posting that, Finn was bretty gud. But any criticism of the movie, even though I make sure to preface it with how much I liked the movie overall, gets five dismissive snarky replies about shitposting or no fun allowed and almost no actual discussion.

>>44323455
Really? Really?! You think Star Wars came up with Avengers quipping?

>>44323455
Onvious bait or they never saw A New Hope.

Either way, stop responding and talk about X-Wing while listening to this.

https://youtu.be/y8b033Qhwpk

>>44323513
Flash Gordon invented it in the modern sense.
Which is fitting, since Star Wars is just the lovechild of Flash and Kurosawa movies.

>>44323492
Sounds like you're knee jerking worse than the people you speak of. Yes there is a fair deal of criticism for this movie, but there's so super obvious troll shit like right now that serves no greater purpose than /tv/ tier trolling.

how can you balance the poor BAb and HIGH AC and extremely HIGH power of the use the force skill in SWSE?

>>44323444
TR-8R

>>44319024

Yeah, no shit. I'd have expected AT LEAST a MC-80 battlegroup, plus maybe a wing or four of Starfighters based in orbit and ground side.

Was it directly confirmed what planets blew up exactly?

>>44323708
ye

>>44323594

I'm not certain what you're asking. The Use Force skill has a poor BaB and High AC?

Still can't build decent scum lists yet. Trying to come up with something fun and synergetic with the ships I have, and I've got no feel for how it would actually play. Thoughts?

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v3!s!135:134,-1,108:-1:1:;104:54:17:1:U.110;125:105,0,133,-1:3:3:

>>44318264
So when do we get to see this WINNING SMILE again?

Billy Dee in a cape would be a wonderful cameo.

>>44323731
He's saying that force powers quickly outclass normal attacks, causing Jedi to be far more effective at pretty much everything.

>>44323042
Yeah, especially given dehumanization training was probably a big part of teaching him to kill rebels in the first place.

He just displaced that training onto the First Order when he realized what they were doing, which was probably pretty easy since they're all faceless mooks on the battlefield.

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>>44323412
Thanks for the advice.

>>44322897
>The Imperial War Machine gave up ridiculously quick
It's been thirty years, anon.

Even Pellaeon surrendered after only about twenty.

>>44322897
The official SW databanks contadicts this.

>http://www.starwars.com/databank/the-first-order
>The New Republic’s rise reduced the once-mighty Empire to a rump state hemmed in by strict disarmament treaties and punishing reparations. But in the galaxy’s Unknown Regions, former Imperial officers, nobles and technologists plotted a return to power, building fleets and armies in secret. This movement became the First Order, ruled by Supreme Leader Snoke, and is now ready to reclaim the Imperial legacy.

But I get the sense none of the people at LFL are sure of what the current state of the Empire is.

>>44322414
>Believing anything Han says, ever

I bet you believe he actually made the Kessel Run in twelve parsecs, too.

>>44321891
They seem to basically be a cult of Imperial sympathizers.

They're based on the Nazis who fled Germany when the regime fell, if those Nazis then started communicating from their countries of asylum with an interest in bringing the Reich to their new homes.

I'm putting together an Analyst for a AoR game, but I'm wavering on whether it might be a better idea to go Quartermaster. I like the flavor of Analyst and the tech/face combo, their talents just seem... Slightly off. Any advice?

>>44323914
>...fourteen...

>>44323515
Thanks Anon! Not the other Anon you were talking to but you reminded me there is an OST to the new Star Wars I need to pick up.

What good is the new TIE shuttle title for the bomber? Has anyone figured out any uses for it?

>>44323977
Goddamn, that theme that plays when the X Wings come over the bay. I want the soundtrack just for that tune.

>>44323217
>the Vatican hates him.

wut?

>>44318039
I think it's funny that the station is more destructive when reloading then when firing. So it wiped out a few planets. When it's recharging, it destroys a star. All it has to do is move into the system, suck the star dry and fly off.

>>44324107
The fact that the beam propagates at hyperspace speeds means it can strike a target with no defense, whereas it's vulnerable to fighter strikes while recharging.

>>44322297
No. Jawas are rat people. Itd be cool tho.

>>44322395
Ohh, you want Y-wings.

Try this shit on for size:

4 x Syndicate Thugs with Unhinged Astromechs* and Twin Laser Turrets. For additional options / avoiding the Donut Problem**, swap out two of the TLTs for Blaster or Ion Cannon Turrets.

So you fly them close together, using the Astromechs to give you a lot of flexibility when it comes to movement. Every turn, you're getting what's basically 2 guaranteed damage per ship, *and* you have 5 Hull and 3 Shields per friendly ship.

No-one seems to get this, but Y-Wings are the secret heroes of this shit. Unfortunately you'd either need like four copies of Most Wanted and a K-Wing, or four Y-Wings and a K-Wing, unless you can find someone who wants to go splits, or maybe a webstore or something that sells individual bits.

*This also works if you swap out the Scum for Rebels, with Gold Sqn pilots and R2 Astromechs.

**The Donut Problem is as such: turret secondary weapons have set ranges, in the case of Twin Laser Turrets it's 2-3. So you have a donut hole in the middle, right? Anything that's Rng 1 is not a valid target for your secondary.

>>44322241
>Honestly, that was one thing that really sort of ground my gears. If you're going to retreat planets like that, why not just do it honestly? There's really no reason that Jakku couldn't have been Tatooine.
No win situation, if they just did the tired 'every star wars thing must feature the same planets' they'd get railed on for that instead.

I for one am glad we're seeing new planets, even if they're still ye olde single biome boring things.

Can anyone rate my list?

I've never played before and I'm running what I have.

- Darth Vader + Expert Handling + Engine Upgrade (35)

- Soontir Fel + Push the Limit + Stealth Device + Targeting Computer (35)

- Kir Kanos + Targeting Computer + Engine Upgrade (30)

For a total of 100 points.

The idea is to separate all 3 ships and hope for the best.

>>44323739
I like it, man. The synergy's good. Keeping those two fighters close while using the HWK as a Focus Pool, all you do is get up in your opponent's shit with all three as a squadron and go to town. But you do need to be ballsy and quick with it, and opponents will try and draw your guys out - or use long range turrets to avoid your squadron, because your guys really have to fly as jousters.

>>44324047
The Vatican newspaper basically said that the villains in TFA are shit and for faggots

>>44324400

Sure, man.

Okay, I fucking love TIE Interceptors. I love them. But they're just not that good.

Glass cannons. You have to use Fel and Vader's multi actions to keep mobile, and I guess - wait, isn't Kanos an Interceptor pilot? Why does he have Engine Upgrade? He already has Boost. Drop it.

>>44324418
Didn't the old Pope look just like Palpatine?

Confirmed.

>>44323778
I want it to happen.

>>44324400
>>44324479 cont.

Okay. If you want to keep using these ships, what you need is a Scum ship called a Starviper, for its Autothrusters cards, should be two in one expansion iirc.

Also, maybe put Royal Guard TIE and Stealth Devices on the two Interceptors, if you have a second copy. If not, maybe get an M3A Interceptor, another Scum ship. It's cheap, and now you have the core of a Scum squadron. Pick up another M3A (worth it for the cards anyway imo), and you have:

Fel / PTL / Auto / Stealth

Kanos / PTL / Auto / Stealth

Vader / Engine Upgrade / Sq Leader (or maybe Swarm Tactics)

99 pts

>>44324418
To be fair SUPREME LEADER needs to get interesting or get dead because he's certainly not intimidating.

>>44324479
PTL Fel I'd say is that good.

>>44324594
I think that's not actually what Snoke looks like. It was a hologram projection, but I think we'll eventually get a "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" moment.

>>44323778
I think he'd have to show up at least for a little bit. Someone has to explain how the fuck that lightsaber ended up in that box.

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>>44324136
I think you overestimate their chances.

>>44324400

>>44324479
>>44324579 cont.

Also, Vader could take Wingman (if you have / can get a copy) to relieve stress. More on this in a sec.

So, you keep the TIE Interceptors moving, hitting targets at close range and doing their best through actions (especially Fel) to keep out of fire arcs and away from harm. Vader flies in support, giving actions to Kanos (or relieving Fel's stress without him having to do green moves if you have Wingman) and just cleaning up anyone who's taken a few hits as it is.

>>44322009
So, he's about as funny as any of us.

>>44324594
He's probably Wizard of Ozing the universe at large.

>>44324624

I do like him, but like I said he is really glass cannony. With that loadout he is a bit more survivable, like a mini Whisper.

>>44324028
Run it as a Foward Air Controller.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:-1:u.95,u.29;187:57,-1:-1:-1:;179:-1,-1:-1:-1:;180:-1:-1:-1:;184:-1:-1:-1:

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>>44324698
What good is Weapons Engineer on it?

>>44324731
Two separate target locks for Vessery or the Omega F/Os to benefit from.

>>44324698
>TIE AWACS

"This is Thunderhead!"

>>44322414
I want to know more about the red guy and the dudes the attacked Han inside his giant space 18-wheeler.

>>44324731
>>44324742
Although the FO's would benefit from Jendon, and passing the locks instead. Misread their abilities. Still stands for Vessery though.

>>44324742
But you can't give Target Locks to friendly ships, can you?

>>44324742
Omega only benefits from his own target locks. The game saying "you" in a pilot ability refers to the pilot flying the ship.

>>44323844
I should mention Headhunter and K-Wing are because of the upgrade cards.

Cluster for taking out swarms plus a Modification that makes ordinance only count as spent if it hits, and K has nifty ordinance cards plus a card that gives you two uses of each ordinance on the ship.
By themselves, bombs/missiles/toros kinda suck. Other cards are what makes them shine.

>>44324756
Red guy has his own short story where he finds and unfreezes Kix from TCW and recruits him into his pirate band to space adventure and loot old Seppie bases

>>44324047
http://nbcnews.to/1YyhhMi

Note that Pope Francis doesn't watch movies, this is the minions complaining that Kylo is an edgy faggot.

>>44323594
It's weird that at early levels, Force users are crazy powerful in comparison but by the end, they're roughly even or even slightly behind if they don't take Skill Focus: Use the Force.

It's basically the opposite problem from 3.x.

Also, there's no AC in SWSE. Reflex Defense =/= AC.

>>44324670 cont.

Okay, one more post.

Through all this, you should now have a handful of Scum ships! Here's a random starter squadron, for shits and giggles and as a random OPFOR for your guys in games where you're teaching other people how to play.

Prince Xizor (Starviper): Accuracy Corrector, Ion Torpedoes, Virago - 40pts

Serissu (M3A): Heavy Syck, Mangler Cannon, Bodyguard, Shield Upgrade - 32pts

Laetin A'shera (M3A): Heavy Syck, Mangler Cannon, Shield Upgrade - 28pts

Total: 100pts

It's a synergistic list that will both present a challenge and teach you the basics, in the hands of an opponent, how to best utilise *your* list. Good times. Thanks for listening.

So is it generally assumed that Rey is Lukes kid?

>>44323042
>strong survival instincts
Stormtrooper uniforms are designed for being in multiple environments and are equipped with various tools and such to survive in different climates (for a period of time).

First thing he did was take off his uniform AND his tool belt on Sand Biome Planet. He's a fucking knob.

>>44324891
Sure, because walking into a salvager clan in a stormtrooper armor with no weapons and the New Order looking for you is the best way to blend in.

>>44324872
All hints point to that. But it's assumed there may be a bait-and-switch for the sake of throwing people off-guard.

>>44324750
Star Wars dogfights set to based Rex Tremendae and Megalith ~agnus dei~ when?

>>44324947

What's a better way to making someone turn to the Dark Side in 10 seconds flat than leaving someone in a shithole desert planet and then 20 years later revealing to them you did it so you could fuck off looking for some Jedi temple?

>>44324870
>Prince Xizor list

I kinda wanna run this just because the StarViper is cool as shit and I really dug Xizor and the Falleen in general even if they are just Date Rape Chameleons.

>>44320335
> much like a sith can convert to jedaism

though many jedi dont convert back to sithism because its almost impossible to sew a forskin back on right.

>>44325099

And every now and then he's like "BITE IT FAGGOT" and one of the M3As takes a shot instead of him. Totally in character, right?

So we all know TFA ships are, with the advent of the film and of course the new core set, "soon to be coming to a tabletop near you", right?

So I got to thinking...

Could this be the first Imperial ship to get a turret secondary?

(I'd say *spoiler alert*, but let's be realistic. We've all seen / bought / "bought the kids" the toys, so it's not a huge deal.)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/sf_space_superiority_fighter

>>44325219
The TIE/Fos with turrets are special forces gear. We might see First Order Aces sometime or something similar.

>>44325246

Well, yeah.

But so are TIE Defenders, Advanceds, Interceptors (to a certain extent)...

You get the idea.

>>44325204
Yeah that's Xizor as shit

I like that the StarViper has a special turn just to represent the 'this thing is shaped all fucked up' aspect of its design.

>>44325219
I look at it, and I see a secondary arc instead, a tech slot, and a missile slot. I know it theoretically has a "360 degree" coverage, but it looks more like upfront, down below, and directly aft to me. It'd give it more of a unique character for it to be a secondary as well.

>>44325099
It's a shame Xizor's ability sucks.
It's great at keeping him from being focus fired, but nobody is ever going to focus fire Xizor while there's more easy points on the board.

Guri with vet instincts is a much better bet.

>>44325269
What I want to see is some titles put out that create /fo versions of the Bombers and such.

Also, did anyone else spot that Ren's V-shaped shuttle had cannons on it? I want it as a Large ship for X-Wing.

>>44322799
>able to at least for a couple seconds fight against a damned sith who's a strong force user.

Ren was a goddamn joke and his only good scene was the one with Han solo.

>>44323444
I liked him too, though I heard multiple time that the scene would've been more appropriate if it had been Phasma instead.
It certainly would've given her more to do.

So apparantly there was an era where the galaxy was ruled by independent jedi lords, literal knight errants traveled the galaxy, saved the people from pirates and sith, and in gratitude they end up ruling the people they save. I can just imagine the fun
>Trade disputes and border disagreements decided by lightsaber duels
>everyone is super religious/instilled with the values of the force
>"secular"/anti jedi resistance forces crop out to bring back the old ways of government
>inevitably some retard falls to the darkside and everyone bands together with the Holy War casus belli, untill the next time another jedi falls
Tao-eish chivalry in space with magic is a pretty cool idea for a campaign

>>44325306
To be fair, the fact that the other guy is disincentivized from firing at Xizor is kind of an advantage in and of itself.

Frees you to put him in more risky firing positions than you normally would with the advantage of a little extra security.

It's just a matter of whether he can actually capitalize on that.

>>44325386
Yeah, I've always wanted to run Legends of the Space Wulin.

>>44325306

I know. It's not my first choice, I was working with the cards the guy woulda had.

Based on his post >>44324400, I figure the guy has:

1x TIE Advanced
1x Imperial Aces (and maybe 1 x TIE Interceptor).

That, plus two M3as and a Starviper, gives him everything to not just kick ass with an Interceptor / Vader build, but gives him an opposition force without spending shitloads more money.

>>44324791
What about the assault missile for softening up TIE swarms?

>>44325378
That's the point.

The Sith are gone forever, this is how a new evil order starts. With edgy lunatics.

>>44325691
Still, I have to say that the movie completely dropped the ball on the villains.

>>44324872
>>44324947
Rey could also be the daughter of Captain Phasma (which sounds like a phony name if I ever heard one, but this is Star Wars so maybe she's born with it maybe it's Maybelline)

What is it with people who don't get the fact the villain was that way on purpose.

Far better idea than trying to one up Vader and inevitably failing.

>>44325763
i can see Rey training under luke, the first order finds them, big climactic battle, Luke is mortally wounded, lots of tears from Rey, she says how she viewed him as a father, lukes dying words "I am your father"

episode 9 is the ending of the First Order, with a sub plot of Rey looking for her Mother, who has been brainwashed and is now part of the first order as Captain Phasma

>>44325763
Phasma as Morrigan Corde? I can dig it.

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>>44325828
Killing Luke as a mentor figure seems cheap and predictable though.

I'd rather he survive the trilogy and get another shot at rebuilding the Jedi Order.

>>44325813
Because the entire movie was basically New Hope, except when comparing the two, the villains in Force Awakens fail and badly. Ren would've worked much better if he was his own person rather than someone trying to imitate Vader and failing.

To all the peeps bitching about Kylo, remember that during his fight he was still bleeding to death from being shot in the side by a bow caster that was knocking stormtroopers twenty feet when hit.

Also, I can't wait to see the rest of the Knights of Ren. Remember that Ren is the new Darth title.

>>44325730
Hux was good.
There should have been a Resistance ground invasion not only to explain why it was so easy to get into the base, but to have Phasma being badass. People'd say its Endor again, but fuck 'em.

>>44325378
I loved the shit out of Ren. He was 300% out of his fucking mind and kept trying to do the 'I totally have it all together guys' calm and collected voice, but then would throw literal tantrums.

He will never stop being a delight to me.

>>44317333
A couple days ago someone in this thread said that SWSE was a better game mechanically than FFGSW.

Aside from familiarity of mechanics for D&D players, what exactly does it have that could be perceived as being better than FFGSW (Mechanically Speaking) and why?

I'm familiar with D&D, and fairly familiar with FFGSW; but I have no familiarity with d20 Star Wars whatsoever.

>>44325926
Kylo Ren is a school shooter with a lightsaber.

It works.

>>44325900
The character works BECAUSE he hates the fact he is not able to live up to Vader and is so conflicted.

>>44325878
Luke falls into a coma from injuries? frozen in carbonite?

>>44325926
Weirdly enough, he's like reverse Jacen.

Jacen was trying to convince himself and everyone that he wasn't like Darth Vader, and Kylo is trying to convince himself and everyone that he totally is.

>>44325763
actually not that unlikely, considering Rey's vision.

Meant to post this here, now's as good a time as any.

So Rey's vision has 4 parts, and I'm pretty sure every part is going to play out and prove to be pretty important. First section is imperial hallways, second is Luke on a strange rocky planet, third is a rain soaked planet with Kylo and the knights of Ren slaughtering Jedi trainees, fourth part is Rey as a child crying don't leave me as someone leaves in a ship that may or may not be first order.

Based on all that, I would suggest that the first part represents Rey's mother, the second part represents Luke as Rey's father, the third part indicates what caused them to abandon her, and the fourth is the abandonment itself.

I would suggest that Luke was not present for the massacre, and had in fact left the order with his senior trainees that he had declared knights while he left to look for more artifacts and holocrons. Rey might have very well been trained in the basics of the force, and was present for the massacre, though she avoided it. Her mother, an imperial agent sent to investigate the temple suddenly going dark, finds her child and stashes her on a planet while she goes to infiltrate Kylo Ren's ranks and kill the shit out of him. Luke believes his daughter ate it during the battle, and in grief goes to find the first temple.

This is all just fan theorizing of course, but Luke and his family have had a history with imperial agents and if we want an 'I am your mother' scene, we need the person declaring parentage to either be really famous in the star wars universe or to have been introduced in an early movie or else no one is going to care.

Why Ben?

>>44325947
Han and Leia need parent of the year awards for their fine work on him. Though I wonder how much was Snoke playing at being Sheev and manipulating life events?

>>44326000
My prime suspects in Kylo's fall are definitely 1. Big Giant Head and 2. The Glove of Darth Vader.

>>44325988
The first part was the hallway from ESB where Luke and Vader dueled before he was thrown out into the shaft. You also can hear Vader's breathing in that shot. In the novel she sees two figures locked in lightsaber combat down the hallway

>>44325916
And also remember that Rey was pretty badass with a staff earlier in the film. Staff work is pretty commonly used as a training tool for the sword, since there's a lot of technical carry-over between the two. I didn't think it was that much of a stretch for a force-powerful, trained staff fighter with a lightsaber to overwhelm a half-dead, emotionally conflicted fencer.

>>44325852
Okay, that'd be pretty cool.

>>44325957
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here, at least until I have the chance to watch the movie again. Kylo Ren the grandson of Darth Vader who fails to live up to his legacy I could dig in a different context... but not like this. At the very least if you make someone a loser, don't make him the main villain of the movie.

>>44325730
I actually really enjoyed Kylo Ren's character, because he was so much more believable than most other dark side users we've been presented with. The Sith have always been borderline cartoonish in their villainy, and you just sort of have to accept that they're unapologetic personifications of evil.

Kylo Ren has real conflict. You can see how Ren's attachment to his previous life and his innate desire to do the right thing weigh heavily on him, but are ultimately overpowered by his childishness and crippling fear of being unable to realize his true potential. It works waaaaaay better than anything Anakin ever did.

Snoke, however, does suck. He's everything that's shit about Star Wars villains. It's literally just another pale dude in a cloak who sits in chairs, only with a dumber name than usual.

>>44317333
I'm a massive newfag.
What's that picture from?
Who the hell are those characters?

>>44326042
Snoke felt like a Hobbit villain to me. How many fugly bad cgi big guys will we get before the trope dies?

>>44324807
That sounds adorable.

>>44326082

Damn. That's exactly it. Snoke is just Azog in space.

>>44325763
I am so on board with Mother Phasma now, all she has to do is get a bit more interesting in the next two films hopefully in some way that explains why she brought down the shields. Her going full merc or just stating that she gives no fucks about the FO beyond the power her position within it give her, the fact she's Phasma and not a serial number in interesting as well, is she not a proper stormtrooper? Is she an outside merc that was brought on to fill out a struggling officer corps?

I want to like you Phasma, help me do it.

>>44326024
seriously? dang it, they could have just panned the camera and then I wouldn't have wasted a whole bunch of time theorizing like I just did.

>>44325988
Hmmm, we'll see. I'm actually kind of hoping something along those lines. Especially because it would explain Luke's "Oh fuck" face at the end of the movie.
Cause I mean, someone showing up with your old lightsaber? That merits shock, but Luke has this face like an old shame caught up with him....
Oh.

>>44326042
>It's literally just another pale dude in a cloak who sits in chairs, only with a dumber name than usual.

ugh, for real

how could they not come up with something better than SNOKE??

>>44326217
Hey man, the snoke's no joke
dont you dare choke, you dumb bloke, snoke will get you on the ropes.

>>44323515
Why don't I hardly remember any of this from the movie?

From the movie I thought the score was pretty dialed in but this is alright

>>44326152
turns out Luke has just been hiding from paying child support.

>>44326132
She brought down the shields because she has Starkiller Base bugged all over [blatant speculation] and she heard Finn say that he used to work sanitation so he lied because he's trying to save Rey.
And since his plan is to get her out of there, he's going to cooperate if it ends with her daughter safe.
>>44326268
Well if you didn't want to pay, you shoulda put a wrap on it.

>>44326036
>if you make someone a loser, don't make him the main villain of the movie.
This was my primary objection to the film.

The boring fight scenes were my secondary objection.

>>44326036
>At the very least if you make someone a loser, don't make him the main villain of the movie.
Why not? It gives him a chance to grow along with the heroes.

>>44326293
Lightsaber scenes always suck, what matters is we got two great ship battles and Stormtroopers who aren't jokes anymore.

>>44326320
Because it doesn't make for a good story. No-one is interested how the heroes overcame Kevin the Incompetent.

>>44326320
not that anon but i get what he's saying when there isn't a huge immediate threat for the main would prepare for like how Vader works. There are far better options to choose from than just a guy with daddy issues that tries to play pretend

>>44326352
Because it might be a story of how Kevin the Incompetent becomes the Competent and overcomes the heroes in the next film.

>>44325991
Leia liked Obi-Wan too maybe

>>44326370
There's still Snoke and the rest of the First Order.

Plus with Snoke training Kylo he will still become a threat.

>>44326082
I mean he is mocapped and voiced by the same guy who did Smeagol. He's basically space mastermind Gollum

>>44326349
Really I thought the duel in the forest was a serious contender for one of the best lightsaber fights ever, the only thing it lacked was some philosophical shit talking.

>>44326412
And Caesar from the Planet of the Apes reboot.

>>44326440
i really liked that Ferguson documentary

>>44326352
>>44326370

Well Kevin the Incompetent was still big enough of a threat to wipe out the Jedi again.

>>44326378
The next film having a credible threat doesn't make this one any better, nor does it excuse any flaws in this one.

>>44326352
I think the point of Ren is related to how Luke just decided to hide in shame. Ren hasn't finished training so he's still immature, but since up until Rey there were no other force-sensitives that stood on his way, so even an amateurish Ren could be powerful enough to bully people and get inside their heads.

Once Rey shows up though, she has a special connection to the force, and Ren ends up having to face someone who's on the same level as he is, and fails.

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>>44326469
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>>44326490
No. Rey is getting trained by Luke hisself and she has Anakin 'Genocide' Skywalker's lightsaber.

Plus Finn is going to be her understudy in lightsaber combat because I want it.