Pathfinder General /pfg/

HOT STEAMY QLIPPOTH LOVING

>>43901524
>Rise of the Runelords
He's from Andoran, but he's been traveling a while now.

>Hungry are the Dead
He's from Kintargo. Never liked the place, and he bailed out recently - the town was seriously going to the dogs if the higher-ups needed to call in somebody like Bazzy. That's when he got a call about two things: heretics hiding out somewhere in Andoran, and a bunch of undead in the same area.

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IT'S CEPHALOPOD TIME
http://pastebin.com/vG3T508Z

post all your teifling pictures, especially if they have specefic bloodlines

and let's all be honest with ourselves
that half oni girl from Bloof of Fiends is a 10/10 waifu

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>>43901563
>loving an ill-tempered CE necktentacle

Reminder the kineticist and everything third party are overpowered trash.

>>43901700
Mean thing to even joke about Tbh.

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>>43901661

>>43901563
Where did this meme come from, by the way?

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>>43901524
I've got about half a dozen expies and I love all of them to bits.

MGR:R

>>43901524
My cavalier in Reign of Winter was from Taldor, but he died today. I actually had to mute my microphone because I didn't want the guys to hear me sob, because he was my favorite character I ever played. He's with Aroden now.

>>43901719
>not posting desu

>>43901736

She's very cute.

>>43901524
I've got three characters at the moment - one I'm running, two I want to play.

First is a half-orc druid from the hold of Belkzen. she has a pet gorthek and he's the cudliest murder machine in the world. the druid, meanwhile, plays the part of therapist for the rest of the group.

The first of the two I want to play is a psychic or psion from Brevoy (which of those two classes I choose depends on whether the GM allows 3pp or not) that wants to figure out why her magic is so different, since she's never met another psionicist.

And the third is a mech pilot goblin or blue. Can't really do that one, yet, though, because I need to wait for Ssalarn to update Arcforge into a usable state.

>>43901743
He might be in a better place now, jury's out on that.

What are you doing next?

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>>43901743

Oh god, it was *that* Cavalier, was it?

>>43901524
>Where is your character from, /pfg/?

Petrozavodsk, Russia.

He's a Russian gunslinger in Iron Gods.

>>43901774
What, the really sad one from six months ago or something?

>>43901740
Same guy just keeps posting it every thread, he's one of the QLIPPOTH DID NOTHING WRONG cabal.

>>43901774
Yes, it was that cavalier.
>>43901768
I don't know, I might have to mourn him before I make a new one. Was thinking an ulfen barbarian who wants to gain power and glory, then return home to become a linnorm king.

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>>43901639
>Nonetheless, they are largely defeated in their war and scattered throughout the realm in small sects; an ongoing cascade of events following the death of their godworm, a titanic psychic being said to have dictated the fate of two worlds simultaneously for some time by extending its massive head through a portal. Its death in a huge mind flayer assault crippled the entire nautilan race permanently.


>LEAVING YOUR FUCKING GOD'S HEAD JUST STUCK IN A PORTAL, THEN BEING SURPRISED WHEN ITS HEAD GETS SEVERED

>>43901801
So wait, did somebody's RoW party drag him back with them to Golarion?

>>43901811
>What, the really sad one from six months ago or something?

Yeah, I distinctly remember there being a guy on here talking about his Cavalier in Reign of Winter, we used to give him crap about not wooing the awoo because he already had a wife back home.

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>>43901750
She would be both angry and flattered that you think so. Mostly flattered; it's just that Kyria is *always* angry.

>>43901823
You're supposed to skip past my shitty fluff.

>>43901524
What are some ways to kill a Succubus in the early parts of the game?
I've got a character with a bit of sneak attack and some spellcasting (2nd level spells, arcane) and I'm looking at my options for actually stopping one and coming up with blanks.

>>43901825

More or less, he got shunted into a winter portal and found himself stuck in Golarion. He firmly believes he might find the answers to getting back to Earth in Numeria, and considering the powers of the Infinity Drive he might very well get a chance to.

Fun character.

>>43901524
Southern Brevoy, raised by a pair of mid-level adventurers who decided to stop risking their lives for coins and thrills to instead settle down and open a tavern. They're both still alive.

>>43901871
A magic dildo/strap-on with the Holy or Demon-Bane property.

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>>43901848
>She would be both angry and flattered that you think so. Mostly flattered; it's just that Kyria is *always* angry.

How angry would she get if I asked her out on a date?

>>43901816
>I don't know, I might have to mourn him before I make a new one. Was thinking an ulfen barbarian who wants to gain power and glory, then return home to become a linnorm king.

That's a bit basic, mate.

What book were you on?

>>43901829
Yeah, didn't woo the awoo because of wife back home and he worshipped Aroden because he never got the memo that he died. When he learned he still stuck to his belief. He was a cavalier because he can't be a godless paladin.

>>43901941
>He was a cavalier because he can't be a godless paladin.

You actually can, anon.

What happens in this particular instance would be two things, either he's getting his divine power from sheer strength of will, or Iomedae is surreptitiously slipping a devout worshiper of her former lord some god juice.

>>43901811
To be fair, the qlippoth really did nothing wrong.
They were most likely just going to hang around in the abyss and fuck around until the daemons got all herbert west on them.

Then they started doing wrong things.

>>43901934
We just stepped into the hut.

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>>43901524
The Land of the Linnorm Kings, half-Ulfen and half-Kellid.

>>43901892

Speaking of this, anyone have some fun habits or mannerisms that would fit for a Russian conscript from early 20th Karelia?

>>43901860
But I thought the others were well-done.

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>>43901661
Either a Hellborn from Brevoy/Andoran/Cheliax, or an Onispawn/Qlippothborn from Tian Xia.

>>43901976
Considering how they got along with the Proteans at first contact? I doubt that.

>>43902024
if she were Qlippothborn, she would look all kinds of messed up

>>43901983
>half-Ulfen and half-Kellid.

>Not making her a half-Ulfen and half-Tien, which are canonically the most beautiful mixed humans in Golarion

>>43902037
How do you know there's not tentacles underneath that dress, anon?
>>43902048
Eh, I liked barbarians more than asians for this character. What does an Ulfen/Tien even look like?

>>43901971
Not according to my GM. Sorry for replying in individual posts, phone posting is a bitch.

>>43901977
You could possibly play an Ulfen adventurer who wound up in Iobaria, but that still leaves the entire Hut adventure unavailable.

Maybe Ringeirr decides to join up and you could play him? He's Ulfen.

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>>43902011

>>43901524
Is there a print-friendly version of SoP?

>>43902061
>What does an Ulfen/Tien even look like?

Supposedly they combine the best qualities of both parents, what this means is open to interpretation.

Probably means tall, pale-skinned, rich black hair and some shade of blue/green eyes.

In other words, Chelish.

If there were archetypes from the start do you think Barbarian would exist as its own class?

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>>43901524
>Where is your character from, /pfg/?

You guys already know about Elsbeth, so I'm gonna spam Lilly a little more as games develop. Lillianna is from the Karrnath city of Vulyar. She worked as a commando-for-hire to settle boarder skirmishes before she left home to go adventuring.

Looking for build advice - E6, level 1 start, Path of War allowed, no traditions, no playtest anything (so if you can't archetype or level 6 prestige a discipline, you can't have it). Would like to play an initiator. I don't want to ask "what would be most fun" but I guess I want to know if there's anything really interesting you can do in E6 aside from just build up maneuver libraries with feats. I don't think the setting has psionics or I'd probably just be a soulknife.

>>43901977

Baba Yaga was originally an ancient Scythian woman, right?

What if that's your character, a Scythian from way back when who was kept in the hut by Baba Yaga for reasons known only to her.

Hell, you have the full gamut of historical groups to pick from; French knight? Prussian line infantry? US Cavalry officer? Everything between 500 BC and 1917 AD is open.

>>43901563
qlippoth are not for sexual

>>43901524
>Where is your character from, /pfg/?
Long story.

But basically he was born on another plane/world (location classified, he doesn't know yet), except when he was a kid his mother, a relatively powerful wizardess, decided that she needed to hide him lest her enemies use him against her. Blood of a family line, shit like that.

So she took him to the World Serpent Inn, literally picked a door at random, and put him through it, leaving him to survive alone on the streets.

He has some rather crippling abandonment issues as a result. He also has a chip on his shoulder about wizards. No fucking sense of right or wrong at all, and abandoning your kid on an alien world with nothing but the clothes on his back is definitely wrong.

>>43902155
>using your tits as a table for your tea-saucer
Okay, that might be a little ridiculous.

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>>43902115
I'll consider these although my GM is a bit strict on stuff like that. I don't have to be ulfen barbarian dude, I'm fine with anything if it's fun.

>>43901934
Nothing wrong with basic, anon. Sometimes you don't need all the "save the world" shit, you just want to tread the jeweled thrones of the world beneath your sandaled feet and then go home to be a linnorm king and fuck hot nordic women (and some hot asian women) all day long.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

Land of the Linnorm Kings campaign never.

>there is no race-cleansing daemon harbringer
a missed opportunity
They had enough balls to make a child molester one so it's not that they wanted to avoid backlash

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>>43902130
You. I like you.

>>43902150
You mean would it be a Fighter archetype?

They don't have much in common besides being commonly played as melee classes. Their skill lists, skill points, hit points, proficiencies, and loads of class features are different, and were even before rage powers were a thing. It's true that they both get played a lot as simple "I bonk him with my sword" combat, but there is more to them (or at least the Barbarian) than that and they don't do it exactly the same way.

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>>43902130

>>43902259
>Land of the Linnorm Kings campaign never.

If it's any consolation, I've got the premise and character creation rules from the one I was in.

>>43902037
>>43902061
>her eyes ate fake
>her horns are her actual eyes, like a snail

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Let's be honest here, /pfg/, what's the cutest character you've ever played, or have played with?

>>43901916
Depends on the date. And how you ask, of course. Kyria's been a casual girl for a long while; constantly traveling does that to a person. But she certainly wouldn't get any /more/ angry.

To give you an idea here, this is a person who cuddles kittens while swearing in a cutsey voice and calling them names. Pile of purr, swearing tiefling. Her anger problems have anger problems.

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>>43902235

Is it really though? Yes. Yes it is.
Only time detail like this ever comes up is in her artwork though unless absolutely necessary, which fortunately has been never thus far and counting. Going to detail over the table/roll20 would be weird.

>>43902461
Underaged elf boy that tried to pick up adult women at taverns.

>>43902476
I really should write down my posts in a separate document and proofread them before posting.

>>43902461
Alienist Wizard who enjoyed licking people and scaring them.

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>>43902235
It's a free shelf, what's not to like?

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>>43902466
>Her anger problems have anger problems.

>Compulsive swearing and name-calling

That sounds like something a bit more serious than anger problems, Gareth.

>>43902461
Preteen Taldan noble boy chosen by Ragathiel to be a real hero. (Paladin/Oracle with the Child 3PP curse.) His player did a really good job at playing a young character and making him cute rather than obnoxious.

>>43902476
Is there a collection somewhere of all your stuff

>>43902524
>underaged elf

Underaged by elf standards or human standards?

>>43902554
You know how some demons are just these near-mindless hate engines that wreck everything they come across?

Kyria feels like that /all the time/. It is the background emotion with which she lives her life. There's a reason her name is on a power that blows all of your blood out of your pores and turns it into a sticky mist, and it's not because she's overwhelmed with feelings of peace and serenity. She makes the best life she can and deals with her heritage in a way that lets her /have/ a life instead of, for instance, burning out young and exploding to death all over innocent people. Finding religion helped with that a bit; Lady Bast keeps her busy.

>>43902461
Halfling Mysterious Stranger who served as the voice of common sense for the party - who otherwise consisted of a scholarly Wizard who missed the forest for the trees, a mentally-unhinged Alchemist with little social skill, an overzealous and affectionate Cleric, and a Summoner with inscrutiable motivations.

>reptilians are now a PC race
>I can finally be The Man who Sold The Worl

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>>43902717
Does he play a fiddle ?

>>43902326
I don't know why everyone thinks they won't do a Land of the Linnorm Kings, about the first Linnorm Queer Queen, where it's discovered that Linnorms are actually humans who have become too obese and too oppressed and developed glorious new bodies so they could be free of dietary standards and having to pay for housing. It will center on the PCs, with Iomedae's help and loving guidance, finally ending the cruel tradition of killing these magnificent beasts by interbreeding the community with attractive and misunderstood black orc males.

>>43902744
With that plus to disguise, he can certainly play someone like one.

>>43902751
>Iomedae
>not Milani

step it up, senpai

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>>43902691
>Finding religion helped with that a bit; Lady Bast keeps her busy.

You know what would help even more?

A boyfriend.

>>43902658
He was supposed to be a teenaged trainee but DM and I thought it seemed weird for a 70 year old to still be treated as a kid so we just said playable races have humanesque lifecycles instead. It was a relaxed campaign.

Regardless of their class, your current PC gets to pick any improve familiar as hos own. Which do they pick?
Unless yourPC already has a familiar, in which case tell us about them.P

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>>43902656

http://dorian-bc.tumblr.com/
This isn't my art-only blog, but you'll find all my old crap on there when I started on that cesspool if a site.

Can someone give me a quick summary rundown of how SoP spellcasting and character advancement works?

>>43902801
Someone in her adventuring party is having similar thoughts, anon.

>>43902826
Is it a cute fangirl?

>>43902799
No, they'd definitely use the wrong goddess.

>>43902826

Is he the Yang to her Yin?

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All this Qlippoth posting gave me a hankering for a conjuration-focused PC with a tendency for summoning things much larger, smarter, and far more evil than herself. I just got the OK that my friend is gonna start running us a 1 to 20 campaign in a couple weeks.

Any ideas on how to build such a character? Summoner, Wizard, or Sorcerer? 3PP allowed, up to 3 Flaws allowed.

I saw the Malconvoker mentioned on a few threads back, is it worth it if I have to eat the class 1 level at a time?

>>43902810
Quasits. They can turn into boars, which means they can fuck you

>>43902858
Yes, if you can play a Malconvoker in Pathfinder, that is exactly what you want. If not just go Summoner and write fanfic about your summon raping you sometimes and then forcing you to pretend nothing's wrong in front of the party, just like your dad used to do before your slumber parties, but you had them anyway because you were so good at pretending that it was almost like being happy, slumber party every weekend, until that rumor you were gay because you wouldn't make out with boys made you a social pariah and that's when you learned to summon demons.

"But how can an eidolon overpower its summoner," you might ask. Well, it can't.

You just get so lonely. And it's the only way you know.

>>43902858
Summoner could be good, as ling as it's not unchained since there are no qlippoth eidolons, and there is an archetype or whatever that let's you summon an outsider type of your choice easier, qlippoth included.

>>43902909
Dude...

/pfg/ I like playing monstrous characters, aberrant aegis, the fallen (thunderscape 3pp), synthesist in some cases, etc.
What are some other good 3rd or first party shit that lets me play monstrous characters?

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>>43902909
Dayum anon.

>>43902947
Tieflings from blood of fiends can let you get away with some shit.

>>43902909
What the fuck are you doing, why would you write that?

How do you stop a Succubi at low levels?

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>>43902909
As unexpected that was, it's certainly a genuinely tragic character.
Certainly better then anything Paizo has made.

You should try writing.

>>43902819
Bump?

>>43902983
Pray that she only wants a "ménage à deux" and delta split.

>>43902909
Anon, is there something you're trying to tell us?

>>43902983
Still sticking with my idea of a magic dildo or strap-on. If you can't spare the coin to have it made Holy and/or Demon-Bane, then at least anoint it with holy water for lube. If your character is open to some morally-dubious means, you can also have the toy have been the gem used for a Trap the Soul spell, so that you can catch the succubus by surprise when she thinks she's sucked out your soul and killed you but it was actually some other poor schmuck's soul.

>>43903122
Anon, if he can't afford a holy dildo, how is he affording the gem or the spell?

>>43902983
>>43903038
Why is there a monster devoted to sexual assault in this game anyway, I thought it was supposed to be lighthearted fantasy.

>>43903212
The pink dolphin fae is the rap monster

>>43903212

Because men can't be raped.

>>43902909
Anon, do you want to talk?

>>43903240
>not Folca

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>>43902983
Hope ya grapple checks are high.
>>43903212
IT's not just sexual assault anon-kun. The Succubus is first and foremost a tempter that relies solely on the evils inside of men's heart and then to draw them out. Inch by inch.

>>43902826
Is it the big guy?

>>43902819
Okay, you got a Caster level, which progresses when you take levels in Caster classes like BAB would. Different classes give you talents at different levels, yadda yadda, basically like Magus arcana ornother similar mechanic. Spell pool is based upon Casting modifier and total level in all Casting classes, though some classes give bonus spell points

Anything else?

>>43903212
Don't forget dryads!

>>43903211
Those are separate suggestions, obviously. The later one is for if he does have the cash. Honestly though, I guess it's a little moot since now that I think about it, if he can access Trap the Soul he's probably powerful enough to just fight the succubus straight up and send her back to Hell with a black eye from slapping her around with his cock, or the strap-on if the PC in question isn't packing.

>>43903266
He's not statted, the encantado thing or whatever is.

I'd just like to say that I'd like these threads a lot more if they weren't half people talking about their dumb PC waifus.

>>43903322

Don't you mean nymphs?

>>43903303
Can all classes access any sphere?

>>43903372
Qlippoth can't be PCs, anon.

I wish I had something better to do then shitpost

>>43903372
Anon, people don't really care whether or not you like it. I do agree with you, but I don't expect people to care about my opinions. Just try and ignore them.

>>43903398
Yes, although some classes are better at some spheres than others. The Elementalist, for instance, is only a Mid Caster (equivalent to a 2/3rds caster), but becomes a full caster when dealing with the Destruction sphere.

>>43903453
What about the Sphere Archetypes? Do they offer much different from the main sphere classes?

Also, would a mageknight be significantly different than a spherecasting magus?
(Additional Spherecasting Archetypes
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?392982-Spheres-of-Power-All-Class-Conversions)

>>43903326
So how do you deal with an Incubus at low levels, then? Assuming you're not just a bard that can talk him into taking the secretly-enchanted dildo in the butt. Wait, do outsiders even have a butt to take it in? I mean, they don't eat, right?

>>43903372
Let's talk about BBEGs then, that's a topic that I don't think we've hit in a while.

>>43903506
Incubi and succubi are separate things in PF, anon. They're both shapeshifting sex demons who can adopt either sex, but succubi tempt/betray while incubi just murder/rape. They're also lower-CR and less capable of mindfucking a party. Which one are you dealing with?

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>>43903506
>mfw I will never get to use my planned BBEG for a Dimension of Dreams campaign

>>43903553
What is it?

>>43903539
I'm not the anon that was asking about dealing with succubi, I just asked about Incubi because it seemed like something else to consider. I don't think I've ever actually had to deal with either in a campaign.

Anyway, I wasn't aware that either kind of demon could change sex.

>>43903502
The archetypes that DDS has released range from amazing (Dragonblooded Mortal and Triple Goddess are both known for being arguably better than the single tradition that they each replace, and stacking them both is surprisingly-viable for a Hedgewitch to do) to equal (the Geomancer trades out Destruction for Nature wholesale and is a worthwhile thing to do) to bad (Warlock pretty much cripples the one that Incanters have as their unique ability by taking away 1/3 of their talents).

>>43903502
The Mageknight is a bit closer to a paladin than a magus in practice, I've found. They have sphere casting, but a fairly limited pool of spell points and several in-class abilities that spend the spell points as well to be straight up better at fighting. (Spend a spell point to take an extra move as a swift action, gain your level as an attack bonus when charging, that sort of thing.) Sphere Magus is better at integrating spherecasting and fighting, but Mageknight is better at being a straight martial, with one or two neat magical tricks on the side.

>>43903609
Not explicitly, but they both have at-will alter self and they can pick any Small or Medium humanoid form, with no limits on sex.

>>43903506
I'm not sure I could talk about my BBEG in here, since people I know frequent the thread.

It's not like there's any one specific one. It's more of a thirty-truck pileup of bad circumstances behind the scenes right now.

What's an interesting gestalt martial combo? Any content is allowed, preferably either 2h str or dex. Weapon Finesse is houseruled to allow dex x1.5 on 2hing.

>>43903502
Mageknight is High BAB and Low Casting, while a Magus is Mid BAB/Casting. While they can access the same Spheres, they are functionally different, as the Mageknight is essentially a martial who supplements his fighting with minor Magic and his class abilities, like built in rage or growth and works best with low investment Spheres, like Time, Warp, or War, or utility Spheres like Divination since you already have the damage going strong. Magus would be mixing Combat and Magic equally, and does well with many different types of spheres but won't be hitting as often as the Mageknight

Personally, i prefer the Armorist. Gate of Babylon all day erry day

>>43903687
Any content-1pp? Any content-1pp+3pp? Any content-1pp+3pp+3.5? I have endless suggestions for the last one.

>>43903506
I kinda want to make a game where the BBEG is some sort of super-hammy special moves all over the place warblade-y type fighter with his own cheering section and stuff, mostly because I think it'd be hilarious to run.

I can't think of a way I could actually do it well, though.

>>43903572
>once upon a time, there was someone - we don't know who - who stumbled across a high-tier artifact circlet
>not only did it make them a lucid dreamer, but allowed them to shape and rule their own sub-sub-realm within the Dimension of Dreams
>small at first, but could grow larger if more people dreamed of it
>by the time party comes along, the realm's starting to draw in entire small towns of people, who spend each night trapped in that dream
>they report being exhausted during the day and being so happy during the dream it's hard to will themselves to wake up
>the sub-realm is actually, genuinely a happy place, and everyone is happy with their place in it - but men cannot live by dreams alone, so party has to go into the Dimension of Dreams and fix this mess
>eventually, party would find out that the "Dream Sovereign" has been dead for anywhere from a century to a couple of thousand years (wasn't quite sure how long to make the timescale on this one), and the means to freeing everyone is to find their grave and destroy the circlet still attached to their head
>in that way, the souls trapped there even after dying in their sleep can move on, and the living dreamers trapped there can get back to their lives

>>43903724

Take cues from 4e solo design (one of the things they did very well) and give him extra actions, including off-turn actions.

>>43903724
>warblade-y type
Path of War content. Especially the beta stuff like Harbinger. After that, mix in what you will.

>>43903711
Any content. 3pp, PF, 3.5. As long as it isn't somehow bullshit broken or turning encounters into a foregone conclusion, it's likely game.

>>43903624
Sorry, I was referring to the archetypes that turn regular castes into spherecasters.

Where are these other archetypes found?

>>43903706
I will include both then.

Now, Spheres Druid/Wizard/Oracle/Hunter/Inquisitor/WarPriest.
They bring anything of value to the table, or too much overlap with existing spheres classes?

I'm looking to do sphere magic is only magic (more out of wanting to ditch vancian and try something new than out of familiarity with spheres), and trying to determine which Paizo Classes are still worth including.

>>43903729
Oh, neat, the Diadem of Nod.

>>43903724
>>43903736
Yeah, lair actions and legendary actions are pretty great. You might also want to consider mythic templates or monster abilities. They're horrible for PCs, but non-PC stuff like the agile template or the mythic ogre's iron resilience is actually good for a boss.

>>43903687
Soulknife/Stalker is a good time. Lots of teleporting and fun stuff. You can go WIS SAD Psychic Armory, but two-handed soulknives are juuust fine. Also they can still be WIS SAD.

Ravenlord Harbinger is nice to mix with things too.

>>43903502
>be me
>working on Sphere PrCs
>some mofo already did it
Dammit all to Gehenna!

>>43903779
>Diadem of Nod

I had no idea this was actually a thing. Now I gotta google it.

>>43903779
I meant more thematically, in that it'd ruin the mood of a srs game and a silly game doesn't really need a BBEG.

>>43903777
Those archetypes that you linked are pretty much redundant; there is a Spheres of Power Expanded Options release that includes all the other spellcasters from Paizo as Spherecasting classes, as well as new archetypes for each of the normal Spherecasters.

>>43903787
>>43903706

Ranged stuff would also be possible.

>>43903744
Warder/Psion/Awakened Blades are the best BBEGs because they're so effective at dealing with being outnumbered. Lots of defensive tricks, including the ability to competently defend their minions.

>>43903372
I could talk about how my favorite character I ever played died, if you'd like.

>>43903801
Here you go, if Googling didn't already work.
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicArtifactsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Diadem%20of%20Nod

>>43903890
It's beautiful, anon. Thanks!

Now to hope our group's Wizard (as in, he /always/ plays a Wizard) doesn't decide to spec into detecting stuff rather than battlefield control.

>>43903864
Shoot.

>>43903928
Yeah. Although to be fair it's not nearly as elaborate as your idea. You could just have it be a dead magic plane or otherwise have some custom quality to keep shit hidden. It's an artifact and it does explicitly say the user picks what the dimension is like.

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>About to start a new campaign
>We give in our sheets to DM, so he can check the final products
>"Some very nice concepts. I see you even gave a name to your company, huh? Cool."
>We get some premade character handouts
>Wtf?.gif
>"Sadly, the Lunatica Owls story is not yours aswell."
>"You climb the stairs in a hurry. You are sure that the kidnapper is hiding on top of the tower. As you approach the door at the end of the stairs, the door calmly opens, and the Owls come out with the Major's mother. Another case stolen."
>We're probably gonna spend this campaign sabotaging the organization we "made", so that we can get to be heroes, trying to stay non-evil in the meantime

I'm not sure how i feel about this beginning.

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>>43903798
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9es0?Spheres-of-Power-Expanded-Options

It doesn't mention Ultimate Magic. Does it have Magus?

Also, the link converts PRCs as well.

>>43903994
That really depends on how well you know and trust the DM.

>>43904000
Meant to also tag >>43903814

>>43903994
I'd leave.

>>43903756
>Duskblade 3/[3.5] Cloistered Cleric 1 (Knowledge Devotion, two domain powers from 3.5 where they were good for dips)/Something with skill points 1/Chameleon 10/anything 5 // A martial of your choice (I vote PoW Warder, focusing on counters).

Use Chameleon to get a divine or arcane list filled to the brim with debuff spells and channel them through Spell Channeling. Use Warder's tankiness for general cool stuff, and grab tons of counters and boosts for mobility.

>Something (fighter for feats is actually non-terrible here) 4/Dragonmark Heir 5/free space 11 // Martial of choice 20 (I like PoW Warlord, for Charisma synergy, or PoW Mystic, for not causing a hideous Swift action bottleneck)

Ideally a PoW martial, or a Magus, or something, that can go without a lot of feat use. Dragonmarked Heir wants you to get a bunch of extra feats, including Quicken Dragonmark three times (once for each tier of mark). This makes your dragonmark SLAs swift actions... All of them. Stuff like minor creation/major creation/fabricate if going the Mark of Making, or awesome shit like Control Winds to summon up a tornado around you as a swift action, then kick someone into it.

Ranger 4/Something that gives a bonus feat 1/Stalker of Kharash 2/Ranger 11 more/anything else 2 // Martial chassis of choice, potentially grabbing PrCs. I like magus here because I'm always a slut for gishes.

Stalker of Kharash has an interesting thing called Favored Enemy (Evil). It's a +1 favored enemy bonus that procs on anything evil-aligned. Level 2 in the class gives you the scent ability for detecting evil things (and by RAW lets you track by it as normal, invalidating their later abilities). At Ranger 5, you can up your FE bonus against evil things by +2.

For your first enemy, go to Complete Mage from 3.5 for Favored Enemy (Arcanists). Favored enemy bonuses against arcane casters. Then, grab the Nemesis feat from the Book of Exalted Deeds, once for that, and once for FE: Evil.

>>43904000
It includes every magic-using base class released by Paizo outside of the core book, with the exception of the Occult classes and, strangely enough, the Alchemist and Investigator.

>>43904000
>Does it have Magus?
Yes. Also stop wasting all the trips you greedy hog!

Also that one anon was complaining about how the link had the PrC, which rendered his previous work pointless.

>>43902172
Nothing, huh? That was kind of my suspicion too. I feel like Path of War sounds good on paper but you just can't wrangle something cool out of it without long, complicated build chains or copious buckets of Expanded material. I think I might just go for a summoner and fluff my eidolon as being good at swording.

I'm about to grab my second stance as a Gunsmoke Mystic, what would guys recommend I pick? The one I already have is Elemental Nimbus.

>>43901524
My character is from a place called 'Wadale', but was exiled and doesn't plan on going back.

>>43904049
>complaining about how the link had the PrC, which rendered his previous work pointless
Definitely worth googling to see whats already been done before taking on a new project.

>>43902172
>E6
What does this mean?

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>>43904028
>>43904014
I gotta add, the characters we're now playing aren't copypasted from "Amiri liv.5.pdf", there is some thought behind and the whole grop has inside mechanics to work well toghether.

>>43904053
Don't take a lack of answers as there being none. Some people just don't feel like responding to you, especially since your request for a "fun" build is super vague as it does not tell us any of your intentions on how to obtain said fun or you character ideas or plans.

Which outside e faction would you want to join?

>>43904067
Variant rule system where max level is 6, after which point you gain new feats but nothing else.

For people who like d20 but are all about low level games. E8 is more common in Pathfinder.

>>43904077
Yeah, probably just drop that fucking game or find a different GM from within or without the group.

>>43904065
Upset fuy here. I just looked at the new rules for PrCs. They are only minimal and have very little effort, so I think my efforts will be just fine.

>>43904107
They seem pretty clearly meant as minimalist conversions for an all-spheres campaign.

>>43904077
It still sounds like a situation where you would say no to your DM. Is he trying to teach you a lesson? He sounds like an ass.

>>43904095
Earth Elementals. Maybe even work my way up to deposing Aryzul and becoming the new Elemental Lord of Earth, since Sairazul is dead and the plane needs a hero.

More likely to get summoned and bound by some dumb mage, though.

>>43904135
>Sairazul is dead
>being this new
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Moaning_Diamond
Sairazul is alive, just imprisoned.

>>43904101
I've never heard of this rule. maybe because my low level games always die out around this time.
>>43902172
Be a Steelfist Commando Warlord, punching people really hard is always fun. Also Broken Blade is OP at the moment.

>>43902172
Vanara Aurora Soul Mystic with either Broken Blade or Thrashing Dragon.
Go OG Dragonball.

>>43904176
I'm not a big fan, but then I like games that run 4-16, and think the "sweet spot" is around L12.

If you had to play as one of the freakier tieflings, maybe even a qlippoth tiefling, how would you make them look?

>>43904035
The idea is to keep things as martial as they can while not being total ass. A bit of casting is okay, but generally trying to avoid it.

One of the ideas I had was to maybe fuck with an Archivist5>Runecaster10>Archivist5//Warder or Harbringer 20

>>43904198
Why do you keep asking this?

>>43903944
In Reign of Winter my cavalier was adjacent to our inquisitor while fighting a dawn piper. Well. He crit failed and we rolled on a table. His attack would hit an adjacent ally. The damage was just enough to kill me.

>>43904238
>using critical failures
You deserve every bit of suffering that shit brings you.

>>43904227
I've only asked this question once.

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>Men just murder/rape
>Men lower CR
Thanks pazio.

>>43904254
Bullshit, you keep shitting up every thread with your qlippoth faggotry. Shut up and fuck off, ESPECIALLY after all those posts about how they hit your weird magical realms.

>>43904238
Did you guys get to pick which ally got hit, or did you roll for that too? Because the Inquisitor is his own ally as well.

>>43904271
>>43903539
I don't know why this didn't link.

>>43904224
Ah. Fair.

>Goliath Barbarian (spirit lion totem for pounce) 1/LA 1/dips for abilities and feats 3/War Hulk 10/other 5 // PoW Martial 20.

Because in PF, if you don't have the prerequisites for a PrC, you lose the abilities, you can abuse Mountain Rage (which makes you Large temporarily) to get into War Hulk... And have its class features, including the shitty No Time to Think ability, turn off when you're not raging. Go Int-based, and pull a Hulk thing, going from an intelligent and capable combatant to a terrifying, brutal, and stupid monstrosity with the flip of a switch.

>>43904271
What do kobolds have to do with this? Is that what you think an incubus looks like?

>>43904279
I was planning on making a tiefling character sometime soon, chill.
If anything, he's probably going to be a half daemon anyway.

>>43904281
He's not adjacent to himself.

>>43904198
Chitin growth, mandables in the mouth, one eye normal while the other is compound, unsettling smell, almost permanently greasy looking hair, maybe some hunches or numerous growths, perhaps a vesitgial tail, lumpish and uneven head, sunken nose, a third ear, stigmata, small tentacles in the mouth/nose/other orifice, a vestigial third nipple, only one nut, a backwards finger, two right hands, a missing thumb, permanently anorexic despite eating food, prone to being phlegmatic.

All of these are good examples. Mix and match how you please

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>>43904303
Would you prefer the actual incubus art?
I don't know about you anon, but this doesn't do anything for me. At least the kobold is cute.

>>43904271
I really fucking hate to defend Paizo on this, seriously what the fuck I feel dirty, but it's not actually a Paizo thing here. It's a traditional mythology thing (incubi were rapedemon scapegoats for unwanted pregnancy), a D&D thing (incubi represented "aggressive and violent" sexuality while succubi represented "deceptive and dangerous" sexuality; both of them were all about rape, but the incubi were a bit less restrained about it).

>>43904244
Makes things a bit more risky, and I'm perfectly fine with a character dying. Suppose I should have healed first, but it already happened.

>>43904326
Thanks anon.

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>>43904358
But this is the decade of gender progression, anon. Women don't have -4 strength anymore. Where are my violent rapist succubii and seducer incubii?

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>>43901661
Sorta like this?

>>43904329
holy shit it looks like danzig

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>>43904424
I was thinking something else.
Maybe incubii are the WWE of the abyss.

>>43901524
How would you stat Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower?

>>43904329
You're right actually, I forgot that Paizo doesn't seem to understand what attractive men look like. But on the other hand, incubi can use their alter self ability to look like whatever you (or more likely they) want to, whether it's that or a kobold or the iconic cleric or whatever other kind of humanoid you want. But on the other other hand, if they're just rapist-murderers, I don't see why they'd bother. Unless, maybe, if you redeemed one, but Paizo would never explore an option like that.

>>43904413
Well, there are male succubi. And presumably, there are female incubi. They can shapeshift after all, and gender's gonna be weird as fuck for them.

Look at it this way; it's "aggressive, mindless rape is less dangerous than deceptive, intelligent rape."

Both rape all over the place. The species divide could be seen as one being a bit more scary than the other. I personally am more afraid of date-rapists with roofies than I am of the idea of some guy with a knife in an alley. One comes out of nowhere, while the other can be run away from.

>>43904049
>>43904037
Just so I can get an idea of how they would normally fill party roles, say you're not using the archetypes and you're just doing a baseline Spheres of Power magic game:

Using just SoP content, how would you fill the typical roles of:

>Buffcasting Bard.
>Healing Cleric.
>Army of Undead Necromancer.
>Demon Summoner/Summoner Wizard.

?

>>43904432
>I have summoned forth an Incubus of incredible power!
>he's torn apart dragons with his bare hands, and now brave adventures, you will face him!
>He is unstoppable!
>He is unbeatable!
>AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA,

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>>43904455
>male succubi. And presumably, there are female incubi.
Got a source on that?

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>>43904413
I had a trickster incubus in the game I run. He only went back to his 'rape and pillage' mode when he got shot by a PC who kept calling him a 'Mancubus', Which is whole different thing.

>>43904490
>what is at-will alter self
You didn't even read the reply chain you quoted?

>>43904077
>DM tries something interesting
>Players always want to bail
This is why forever DMs get mad. You trust them to not fudge rolls or monster stats or just add extra rooms to dungeons at random to fuck players over, but you don't trust them to actually make an engaging story or gameplay experience.

>>43904459
>Buffcasting Bard.
>buffcadtong bard
Hedgewitch with the Charlatan tradition and the War and Protection Spheres. Maybe Time or Illusion. Alteration can be good though
>healing Cleric
Incanter with Healing Sphere and Channel
>Necromancer
Thaumaturge with Death Sphere
>Summoner wizard
Mass Summon Monster is no longer a thing. Conjuration Sphere on Thaumaturge, Incanter, or Fey Adept can choose Conjuration Sphere, which is essentially Eidolans, choose multiple companion and alignment companion and build your fiendish Pokemon team. Also if your DM allows advanced talents, take the binding chain to be able to conjure actual Fiends, at a bit of a risk, like a traditional folklore wizard/witch

>>43904459
>Symbiat, war sphere I guess?
>Soulweaver with Life sphere
>Incanter/Soulweaver with Death Sphere
>Incanter/Soulweaver/Thaumaturge with Conjuration

I'm not even that familiar with the system.

Note that Undead created with the Death Sphere are temporary unless you use the Permanent Undead Advanced Talent, and that Conjuration works more like a Summoner's Eidolon than the Summon Monster spells.

>>43904540
>>buffcadtong bard
That was an accident from typing on phone. Ignore it.

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>>43904512
A female succubus using alter self to pretend she's a guy is still a female succubus. There are literally no male sex demons that aren't about pillage and raping and winning the WWF abyss championship.

>>43904436

Sometimes I think Paizo has trouble remembering what attractive women look like, too.

I'm looking at you, Muse.

>>43904549
Next Bard character I make will be named "Buff Cadtong" just for you.

>>43904559
>transmutation spells
>pretend
Whatever makes you think you're not gay for being buttfucked by a succubus. Also, got sources for succubi always being female?

>>43904490
My bad, it's late. I'm talking about D&D fluff more than PF fluff. No idea about Paizo's writing although I expect it would be answered "yes" if asked about the right way on the forums, but in D&D, yeah, there are.

Amusingly, one's already been linked: >>43904413
This guy right here is the male succubus/incubus in the 5e monster manual. In D&D, "incubus" is used in two ways; one as a colloqual term for a male succubus (in both 3.5 books and 5e books), and one as a name for a separate species, devoted to aggressive rape instead of deceptive rape. 4e rewrote the cosmology and had incubi as demons who do a lot of both, but are also incredibly varied shapeshifters for whom gender would be a lot weirder than it would be for humans.

>>43904532
I have to admit that I do agree with you on this one- not that I'm trying to say pulling stuff like that is risky because there are a lot of DMs I wouldn't trust with pulling it off well, just like I wouldn't trust them not to fudge rolls or monsters stats. But there are definitely some interesting ideas to work with if you're willing to pull a fast one on your players. I guess it's about whether or not you can manage to do it tastefully and whether your players are mature enough to roll with it in turn.

>>43904580
I try to forget that one exists. I had done it too, so fuck you for reminding me.

>>43904609
It's inherent in the word. A 'male' succubus would just be called an incubus.

>>43904609
The Merriam-Webster definition of a succubus is "a demon assuming female form", so yeah.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/succubus

>>43904609
>Also, got sources for succubi always being female?
Pazio bestiary refers to succubi as 'she', while other demons are refered to as 'its' or by name 'A Shadow demon'. Also their entry blurb refers to them as a woman.

>>43904671

>gender specific entities?
>in my Pathfinder?

Some Succubuses have penises, get over it.

>>43904671

Good thing there's a lot of fluff for demons in specific settings so that doesn't really apply, eh? Same reason that a magus isn't one of these guys: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magus

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>>43904224
How does this sound to you?
>Skinwalker Barbarian (Spirit Lion Totem) 1/Fighter (Dungeoncrasher) 1-6/Warshaper 1-4/Fist of the Forest 1-3/Weretouched Master (pre-errata) 1-5/((1 more level of whatever)) // Warlord (Steelfist Commando) OR Warder 1-20

The above build grants you a large amount of power while still remaining pretty controlled. You can pounce, you can deal a ton of damage by bull-rushing someone into things, you gain a bunch of natural attacks whenever you're shifted, your unarmed attacks deal good damage, you get your Constitution to AC, and you have Maneuvers, specifically the very potent combination of Broken Blade + Primal Fury.

Plus, just think of the fluff and characterization: a huge wrestler that can turn into an actual bear (or whatever) and crush the hell out of everyone. Go with a Coldborn, Ragebred, Scaleheart, Fanglord, or Witchwolf for the best results.

>>43904532
>>43904627

Speaking as a foreverDM, there is a world of difference between "engaging story" and "I'm going to take away the characters that the players wanted to play." That's not even an issue of trust, that's an issue of being respectful to your players. The players have just as much a stake in the story as we do; they aren't supposed to be an audience for our personal stories.

>>43902155
Hot.
>>43902235
My fiancee does this regularly.

>>43904627
Of course its risky, i totally agree that it can go wrong and often will. But players will almost always make the risk assessment that it will be shit even if there is a good DM, which is totally unreasonable.

Honestly, maybe people always think they have shit DMs because they never try what the DM wants to do, but rather force the DM to lower themselves down to "generic fantasy sandbox no rails plz". Let DMs play to their strengths and explore their ideas.

>>43904707

Make sure you figure out some houserules to make Warshaper non-stupid, though. Just to get ground rules, because Morphic Weapons is... very open-ended.

>>43904622
Someone who has an account on the forum should bring this up.

>>43904739
What, did someone at your table go with the classic "Changelings are always in a different form, so I always have a thousand tentacles" trick?

>>43904708
I absolutely agree that both players and DM have to respect each other. Nothing about flipping the PC's designed characters to be villains is a violation of that respect, but rather shows the DM believes the players will make excellent characters worthy of being the villains of a story. The DM in this case is just as limited by what the players made as the players are by what the DM made.

>>43904740
I actually agree, because it'd be something neat and not stupid. "Sure, succubi and shapeshifting races that are traditionally all of one sex have gender identities that can vary as well. It's a lot easier for them to deal with it." isn't even SJW stuff. It's just something that makes sense.

>>43904749
Springing that shit on the players without telling them is absolutely disrespectful, though.

>>43904708
Well, I'm not condoning that particular example so much as I'm speaking in a more general since. Something more along the lines of the kind of stuff that comes to my mind would be pulling a genre twist (turns out this game's going to be a murder mystery!) or working with one player for their PC to secretly be the BBEG who has been traveling with the party all along.

I guess what I mean is that when it's important to preserve a mystery so that it remains just as surprising out of character as it will be played to be in character, keeping such a mystery and surprising the players with it can be acceptable (assuming it's done in a tasteful way).

>>43904743
Technically you can only have one weapon of a given type morphed at a time; otherwise it just grows in size. It's just something that bothers me, and I'd rather suggest houserules about it.

The last time I played a warshaper, I worked with my DM to get some reasonable limits, and then I built a ranged character who morphed Anaxim spikes (2d6 base damage, 120ft range increment natural weapons), Nimblewright rapier-hands (also 2d6, can be retracted or extended as a free action), and Adamantine Horror buzzsaws (2d10 base damage).

It was a fun character; was a changeling fluffed as an android made of shadowstuff, so I pretended to be a T1000 more often than not. Fun fact! A changeling with the right feats, setting details, and Flaws in play can take the Adamantine Body feat, which, thanks to them not having composite plating, increases their armor bonus to +8 regardless of what they're wearing whenever they decide to turn it on with the Racial Emulation feat.

>>43904790
Yeah, that's a lot different than 'hey those characters you put a lot of work and thought into? Not only do you not get to play them, but they'll be working against you at every turn. Here, take your new character sheets'.

>>43904727
I don't believe you, but asking for proof is a bit creepy so I'll just consider you a liar.

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>>43904698
>>43904701
The point is that the word itself stems from a mythology of demons in the form of a female. That is as concrete as it gets.

You fucks can't ask for a glass of water and then pour it out because it's 'not the right kind of water'.

>>43904821
Okay. However, I would argue that the origin of the word is just something that informs us of the themes and inspiration. In the D&D/PF settings, succubi are beings with minds, and often genders. They might all be genderfluid, I dunno. With shapeshifters who are literal incarnations of sex, it's hard to tell. I would imagine that many just pick a form they're comfortable with and stick with it when they're not out rapemurdering.

>>43904749
It's a huge violation of respect. It is, in no uncertain terms, saying "No, you don't get to play the characters you wanted to play this game. You get to play the characters I decided you were going to play." A PC is a player's only way of interacting with the world, and to suddenly pull that carpet out from under your players is a dick move, no matter how poetically you try to deny it.

>>43904790
Changing genres is a little bit better, and I can see where you're coming from on maintaining an air of mystery. I had a player once who wanted to play a cleric, but when he found out that the campaign would be set in a theocracy dedicated to Pelor, in a campaign based around the Burning Hate theory, he decided to immediately ditch the party after the first session and roll a druid instead. Meanwhile, however, another player went forward with a paladin, and had a full character arc about his character's crisis of faith in the revelation that his god was deceiving his followers. I think it swings both ways, and that it's too much risk for too little reward.

>>43904847
>shapeshifters
Alter self is hardly a qualifier for shapeshifting. Not to mention, there's a lot of assumptions in your post alone that a) irritate me and b) have little bearing on the fact that succubi in the bestiary are referred to universally as female, and that the name they take and the mythos they are based on refer to universally female creatures. That target men.

It's the same reason that the origin of incubi are demons that take male forms to fuck women. There's been no crossed wires before, and adding them now is as autistic as it gets for the sake of what? Qualifying them as sentient creatures? It's a fucking fantasy puns galore so either write it the way you want and accept that your views are not the common views, or accept that applying your shit-logic-based assumptions to a fictional set of creatures is well above baseline retarded.

>>43904790
>since

BRB, commiting seppuku

>>43904811
Yeah, I feel a good chunk of the problem there is not just in a player losing the character they made (who they likely could have been super-excited to play) but also in forcing the players to use PCs they might not have any interest in. In fact, I'm not sure which of the two I consider the worse offense. Saddling your players with a bunch of pre-generated PCs is pretty unfair, not to mention probably bad for the RP since they likely won't have as much a grasp of the personality of their new PC.

>>43904866
Actually, although it never came to fruition because the game didn't last more than a couple sessions, I almost played the "secretly a villain" card with one of my characters although it was actually in Eclipse Phase, not Pathfinder. It was an AI that had spontaneously achieved sentience and could be described as more than a little strange on account of that, at least by human standards. I had several motivations and hobbies for the character, but one I was debating whether or not I wanted to include was a hidden agenda to basically go full ASSIMILATION MODO because it figured the only way for transhumanity to beat the crazy hyper-intelligent, kinda-sorta-eldritch hivemind machines that exist in the setting was for it to become something similar. In the end, I didn't include the idea because I never really had a good chance to bring it up to the DM before the game ended. RIP Omicron, really enjoyed playing as you for the few sessions I did.

Hey /pfg/.

Is there any reason I shouldn't make an equivalent to animal companions that are not animals, available in my game?

Magical Beasts, Vermin, Outsiders, Draconic Creatures, Constructs, Undead, Plants, whatever?

Is there any reason I should restrict people to the animal companion list in the feat rather than the full list if they take the feat?

So maybe Jim Dragonmagic makes a Sorcerer.
He takes a feat chain that mirrors the animal companion feat tree, then has a medium sized drake that follows him around and becomes large at level 7.

Or maybe Steve Craftmagic makes a wizard, and takes a similar feat chain, which he uses to have a golem that follows him around, which he upgrades as he levels up.

Part 2: Major issues with intelligent pets/sidekicks through the same method?

Mike Darkmagic does something similar, summons up a cambion, and gradually gives him class levels (following the same progression of HD as an animal companion) perhaps?

This would be in lieu of leadership.

>>43904990
I believe the SRD already has rules for some Plant and Vermin companions, as far as making new ones as long as they're on par powerwise with an existing companion type it really shouldn't matter; constructs and undead might present a problem because of the immunities they possess

>>43904941
Sigh.

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lhli?I-Can-Call-Spirits-From-the-Vasty-Deep#28
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lhli?I-Can-Call-Spirits-From-the-Vasty-Deep#24

Here we go. This is the official standpoint in Pathfinder about succubi and gender. For once, I am forced to agree with them.

Why are you making me cite people I hate talking about a game whose fluff I don't give a damn about except when it affects gaming and perception of gaming as a whole, like with the shit writing and cardboard- cutout minorities that people like Crystal Frasier and Jessica Price keep producing. I'm only here for the 3pp, dammit. I don't want to fight this fight.

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>>43905057
Official male succubus, right from paizo.

>>43904815
She laughed harder than I did. Frankly, I wouldn't mind but it's up to her.

>>43902005
Hate commies passionately. Praise Tzar.

>>43905253
I'd redeem him with the power of lawful good dickings.

>>43905253
Where?

>>43904436
>I forgot that Paizo doesn't seem to understand what attractive men look like
I'm pretty sure that there was a very long thread on their forums a while ago that complained about this exact thing.

>>43905253
Actually they can shapeshift at will to whatever your fetish is, so I think gender is meaningless in this case.

>>43905326
Second link from >>43905057. To of the page. Click link, says succubus.

>>43905331
There was, and I I r c they apologized and said they hadn't been doing it on purpose.

>>43905342
Their ability only covers Humanoids.

Seriously. Click the first link, it explains everything, and the second has a picture.

>>43905368
They still do it a lot, with the exception of Inner Sea Races.

>>43901524
Anyone happen to have Bestiary 5 in pdf form that they'd be willing to share?

>>43902172
If there are psionics in the setting, you could try for a battle psychic gimmick. Soulknife (Gifted Blade) 3/Aegis 3, with Student of the Astral Suit and Fighter's Blade feats, and with the Initiator's Soul and Harness Power Stone aegis customizations.

If the DM allows the "high psionics" variant of the soulknife from Psionics Augmented: Soulknife (which should be allowed by default since it makes the class much less shitty), you could then apply the initiator archetype to that and be a double initiator/double manifester, with initiator level for both equal to your character level and (if Fighter's Blade counts as "multiclassing" to trigger that rule) manifester level for both equal to your character level.

>>43904183
And get a cloud to ride on, statted as a flying carpet.

>>43904866
This post is right.

>>43905514
4+3chan has it. I'm not at my pc right now.

>>43905514

The chan 3 doors down has it.

>>43905514
It should be three doors down. It's been out for a couple of days now.

I think some people have PF #100 as well, since they've provided the Aroden article from it. But that doesn't seem to be leaked.

>>43905514
Three doors down bro

>>43905368
Is the thread in question still around on their forums somewhere, or has it been purged? I wouldn't mind reading through some of it.

>>43905514
Hey buddy I think you got the wrong chan, pirate chan's three blocks down.

>>43905565
>Aroden article

Man, I can't be the only one disappointed about that. Barely anyone talked about it when it was posted though... But come on, I was reading it with one of my friends and we were both scratching our heads by the end of it trying to figure out what in there actually qualified as some big reveal about Aroden. Apparently the big secret about Aroden they've been drumming up anticipation and hype for was that... he was a kickass blacksmith back when he was mortal? What, really Paizo? Really Mona? Is that what you're going with? Actually, it almost makes me wonder if they had some other idea but then backpedaled on it at the last second and removed it from the article, but that seems unlikely.

>>43905557
>>43905563
>>43905565
>>43905574
>>43905617

I actually just went back a few threads and found it. I don't frequent there. Or these threads for that matter.

>>43905591
I believe it is, but I don't have a link. They don't usually delete threads, but they often luck them. You're gonna have to search for it unless someone else has the link for you.

>>43905528
>manifester level for both equal to your character level

Sorry, actually, looking at it again it would be Soulknife at ML 5 and Aegis at ML 1. I forgot how weird Harness Power Stone is.

Actually, I think you might be able to do Soulknife 1/Aegis 3/Metaforge 2, if that rule is in play, since Fighter's Blade counts your class level as higher for enhanced mind blade but doesn't require you to have it in the first place, and that rule progresses manifesting along with mind blade. You'd get full initiator level (I think), 6 levels worth of enhanced mind blade and gifted blade progression for soulknife, and 6 levels worth of astral suit customization progression for aegis.

I'm not totally sure because these combinations are way overcomplicated and I knd of wish it was just a base class.

>>43905625
Yeah, I found it disappointing as well. Basically nothing of interest except the blacksmith thing, since we already knew he was around and immortal pre-Earthfall and we also already knew what he was spending his time doing. And we also also knew that his church was failing but still semi-potent, as well as the Knights of the Ioun Star and so much else. Literally everything in the article barring one thing was just a paraphrased or reworded version of stuff we already knew.

About the only thing even vaguely interesting was the retcon to the Starstone from Mythic Realms. But even THAT was already said on the paizo forums by Mona anyway, so... what the fuck did we actually learn at all? That he was a really good blacksmith.

The Pathfinder comic preview with Xanderghul and Alaznist had more new information on Aroden than that entire article.

I guess the Inner Sea Races, Dirty Fighting and Weapon Master's Handbook really were just outliers from their general mediocre quality for the last year or so. A shame.

If you multiclass a sphere caster, you don't have to start your progression over again, like you do with vancian, right? Everything is keyed off of your "caster level"?

>>43905667
Correct. Merge CL and spell points into one.

>>43905663
I like the tg theory that he is sick in a time loop because he tried to change the past.

>>43905667
Correct. Think of it like, caster bonus = BAB, talent = feat slot.

>>43905667
>>43905676
How does it work if you multiclass psionic classes, or initiator classes?

>>43905698
Initiatior classes stack initiator level (and count other classes for 1/2 for stacking), and when you take the first level in a new initiator class you use the IL at that level to determine what manuevers you can take (so you can jump up past 1st). Initiator classes are separate for readying maneuvers, though.

Psionic classes work like spellcaster classes, they're totally separate unless something says otherwise - except that power points always add together, and having any number of PP makes you count as a "psionic" character for things that require that (even if you got the PP from a class or other source with no manifesting ability).

Is Arctic Druid archetype worth it, assuming we're playing a winter sandbox campaign?

>>43906038
If the DM is planning to actually use environmental restrictions (like cold weather, making snow and ice hard to walk on etc) then yes. Otherwise probably not.

>>43906038
The only part really worth it is the initiative and skill bonuses. The rest gives you stuff that you can just get from normal spells or wild shape and makes you give away stuff for it.

>tfw none of the rogue archetypes are appropriate for spies, even the one that is called 'Spy'

>>43906104
The best spy is the sorcerer.

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>>43904609
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Demons Revisited.

>all succubi are female

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>>43906104
>playing rogue

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>>43906155
Its my cohort

>>43906104
Just play an unchained Rogue.

>>43906129
The best spy is the druid
Take the Crocodile domain and you'll even have sneak attack

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>>43906177
>having a rogue cohort instead of an investigator cohort

>>43906204
...surprisingly, that makes sense, even though it sounds ridiculous.

>>43906227
>that dreadful moment when the kingdom counter-spy realizes there are TWO Lord Bearington at the King's Ball

>>43906293
I think at this point he will question his sanity.

If you have two weapons equipped, but are only attacking with one, do you still incur the TWF penalties?

>>43906372
No.

>>43905791
initiator classes stack IL? when the hell did that happen?

>Every time i tell the DM his arrays and low PB are stupid i get some strawman about playing 42 point point buy and getting all 18s
I fucking hate this. Hes not a bad DM most of the time but he just cant wrap his head around why PB under 25 has problems or why his stat arrays are incredibly restrictive to roleplaying, not freeing by making us forced to take "realistic and well rounded" characters.

>>43906470
>problems
Can you please elaborate?

>>43906509
I'm just whining about how some DMs seem to think having multiple 8s or 10s means you are "well rounded, realistic and flawed".

My specific problem? Im playing with an array grabbed randomly from a paizo forum post's OP, that had literally everyone in that thread tell him to change it. I can't find the thread any more either.

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>>43906456
It didn't. It was a proposed rule that was ultimately abandoned.

>>43906522
Try convincing him to allow 20- or 25-point buy and raise the CR by 1 or 2. My group uses 20-point buy and we manage to destroy encounters even with CR higher then our APL by 5. Also, are you the only one with such a problem?

so after today's session the party killed a dragon and came into possession of a small town/fife

my GM has given me permission to take the Leadership feat so that I can better run our party's new holdings

I also seem to get a cohort
it is already a party of 5 people consisting of a Summoner, Skald, Cleric(me), Bloodrager, and a Ranger

what kind of cohort should I pick up that can travel with the party, at least for a little while, that won't move in on anyone's role

I think right now I am probably just gonna try and take a level 3 or so Paladin and train her as if she was my student as we travel around. Then once she reaches a higher level I will send her back to our town to run things

does this sound like a good idea or is there a better way to make the cohort more useful while not raining on anyone's parade

>>43906568
The other players either havent played a roleplaying game since the eighties or are new enough to them to simply not care and say "it works fine".

Our party deals with encounters just fine and honestly i don't think having secondary stats is going to make us chew through encounters or merit raising CR.

>>43906574
If you want game-breaking cheese, pick a wizard with item creation feats. If you want some utility, a rogue or investigator.

>>43906574
The Paladin sounds like a fun and flavourful idea, you should go for that

>>43906586
How exactly low point buy restricts roleplaying?

>>43906574
Sounds to me like having a cleric or paladin will work fine.

>>43906599
I like having my martial characters be competent without also being retarded.

>>43906574
I'd suggest an Alchemist
Give him alternative to the Mutagen

>>43906614
Buf if they weren't retarded they'd be casters.

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Hello guys! Just asking for a little advice. Considering the fact that my character is a level 2 support that cannot do any damage on its own, is it better for him to have +8 initiative and +1 in will saves, or +4 initiative and +3 in will saves? Thank you very much already!

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>>43906614
Make a Kensai Bladebound Magus then

>>43906619
Ah, fuck you're right.

>>43906614
Martials suck. Accept it or abandon D&D at all if you're uncomfortable with it.

>>43906599
In order to function in their intended roles, each build is going to need certain stats to succeed. The lower your point buy, the less room you have to work with around this, you can't afford to have secondary stuff like adding int to your frontliner or having some CHA for an intimidating barbarian when you barely can fill out your necessary stat block.

So the lower the point buy the more everyone of a certain build starts to look the same and you tend to get lots of stats at 10 or 8 that though is supposed to be "average human" from a mechanical perspective leaves them seriously penalized in any task relating to that stat, even if they have training in such a task.

>>43906620
Better Initiative = higher chance to go first and buff your allies for their turns

>>43906638
Or we could try and throw them a bone, because I like hitting things in the face with pieces of metal, and hate preparing spells.

>>43906656
Tell that to your DM, then.

>>43906656
then live with it

if you don't want to be a member of the caster or half caster master race just accept that your class sucks and live with it

raising the point buy to 25 doesn't let you be any more or less effective than a 15 or 20 point buy. You will still be outshined and made irrelevant by casters in the game just as hard, if not harder with a higher point buy.

honestly you should just pick half casters like bloodrager and magus since you can still be a "martial" and hit things with metal but you suck less and don't need super high point buy to be effective.

>>43906642
ty anon. Everybody agrees?

>>43906672
Whether or not you play a martial is a side thing as to whether or not your character is competent outside of like two stats. I have to play with stat arrays anyway so i wasnt able to have "one high stat and everything else average" i had to go either into massive "everything but two stats is a dump stat" or "14, 14, 12, 12, 12, 10".
>>43906668
Well i was the guy who first posted about having the problem with his DM and my reply was >>43906639 not the buff martials thing.

>>43906720
If you fail a Will save, you will be most likely fucked bad and won't be able to buff your allies at all.

>>43906721
That array is most likely a 15-point buy. Hint: you don't have to push your primary stat to 20, 18 is more then enough, and it frees up 7 points.

>>43906732
Yea, that's the dilemma. So what do I choose?

>>43906638
>Accept it or abandon D&D
Sir, just because your version of D&D is shit doesn't mean everyone else's is as well.

Sincerely,
everyone is playing every other edition of D&D

>>43906767
If you roll low for initiative, your allies can delay their turn to go after you. If you roll low on a will save, you're screwed. Decide what is more important for you and your group.

>>43906771
>every other edition of D&D
>Pathfinder General

>>43902235
Dude, go to a ren faire.
If a woman as anything regarding a bust, between the peasant cut blouses with corsets and high cropped gowns with girdles, lacing and boning, you can accomplish some shit.
I watched a woman sit a bowl of soup on her decolletage and eat it.
I saw an impressive contest of women stacking as many objects as possible on their tits and seeing who could keep them there. The winner placed a silver serving platter on her tits, and 15 wine flutes on top of it.
>what a fucking woman
>10/10 would wife

>>43906766
We don't have 15 point point buy and i DID have to push my main stat up to 20. I was a wizard and there were no "middle grounds" array choices where i got 16 in a stat and plenty of other 10s and 12s. It was be a 16 int wizard or a 20 Int one and i chose 20.

Almost every single array except those two had everything on odd numbers as well too.

Also fuck you most classes need 18 in one stat, then 14 in another, then to have acceptable dex and con on top of that. The point was that there's no room for tertiary stats, not that you literally can only ever go 20 str or 20 int. Heck, normally i would never bother with 20 int to start.

>>43906781
>suggesting Pathfinder isn't D&D 3.5 without the valuable lessons learned partway through

>>43902909
Yo, we are here if you ever need to talk, y'know.
We may be a buncha jerks, but we listen.

>>43906813
>what is Spell Focus
>what is Overclocking Spells from PFU
>what are buffs and control and other no-save spells

Also, if you have 10 point buy, yeah, go punch your DM in the face.

>>43906859
I DONT HAVE POINT BUY
I HAVE ARRAYS
15 point point buy is STILL UNPLAYABLE for anyone who isnt playing a wizard. Even half casters need more stats than that.

We arent playing with overclock rules and even if we were that would have NOTHING TO DO WITH WHY LOW PB IS BAD.

>>43906895
Arrays a shit, go punch your DM in the face.

Howewer, paizo writes their APs with 15-point-buy in scope, just FYI.

>>43906925
No, they write them with 20 point buy in mind.

>>43906925
They really don't. Its an old myth from a very long time ago. Ever since they set up PFS its been 20. Even so, Paizo's supposed AP intent ignores that most classes require certain stats to be effective against the monsters in those APs and that if players try on a 15 or 20 pb to meet those requirements they will invariably have to give up hope of creating a well rounded character unless they go with a concept thats basically locked into those "required stats" like wise old monk, big dumb barbarian etc without any real individuality, though they may have depth, they will not be original.

I'm working with my GM to create a stalker archetype for the Squole that focuses on unarmed strikes.

I'm thinking of swapping out Deadly Strikes for a scaling version of:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/3rd-party-feats/alluria-publishing/general-feats---3rd-party---alluria-publishing/elemental-fist

Essentially, the damage would scale to 2d4 when deadly strikes would be 2d6, and so on.

My question is, do you think this is unbalanced? It's clearly more powerful than deadly strikes as it doesn't require any particular condition (barring lack of elemental resistance), but do you think the fact that it's restricted entirely to unarmed strikes makes it fairer? The archetype will also probably remove weapon proficiencies entirely.

>>43906925
arrays aren't terrible. could be doing [shudder] 3d6 straight down. christ, can you believe they non-ironically suggest that in the core book?

>>43906980
HE MADE US DO THAT BEFORE THIS

He seriously does this because of spoony i think

Playing through with totally horrible stats legitimately builds character. Everyone should have to do it once, even if it means they are just learning what being a useless sideliner feels like instead of how to contribute with a handicap.

>>43906977
Why not just make deadly strike do energy damage?

Honestly I don't know. It seems fine from balance perspective but the "set up for bigger damage" is part of the mechanical identity of the stalker, don't you feel you are losing that?

>>43907044
Honestly i don't think anyone should be forced to go through that. I don't think you learn anything valuable from being intentionally fucked over by the DM.

People learn what its like to be useless or to make up for a handicap when they encounter a situation in the game that makes them that way, like being a fighter in a social encounter or having their spellbook taken away.

Having it be something all the time that defines that fucking character? That's bullshit that only teaches you to resent the game.

>>43907053
I went for an unconditional version for two reasons. Firstly because naturally unarmed strikes aren't likely to crit, and secondly because I'll end up taking elemental fist anyway and stacking both would end up silly.

I know what you mean, though. If you have any alternative ways to set up an elemental deadly strike in mind, I'd like to hear them. I couldn't come up with any. I know you can take arts to get it like sneak attack and that kind of thing, but I feel that if I'm making an archetype around unarmed strikes, the main mechanic should complement that by default.

>>43907044
I don't believe you could get someone with Deviantart Snowflake Spotlight Hog Syndrome to stick around long enough to learn from that experience, or that anyone ELSE actually needs to learn that, or that it's even our place as DMs to be teaching lessons for the future instead of facilitating a fun time.

>>43907044
You sound popular.

>>43906953
Actually, 15 is the intended.

PFS is 20.

However, nobody at Paizo ever uses 15, they all use at least 20, sometimes 25. But still require that their APs be made at 15 PB.