Pathfinder General /pfg/ Gish edition. Tell me, /pfg/, do y

>>43865667
Fuck. I was THIS close to Satan edition

How do you make a wizard interesting?

>>43865685
The same way you make any character interesting, anon.

>>43865655
Depends what you're looking for. They don't have the same goal in mind.

The new ones aren't trying to "Balance the PCs", they're to determine encounter CRs for parties with characters that have powerful races.

If you let one player play a race that's stronger in PF, they just get a stronger race.

Personally I like PF's approach much better than 3.5.

The d20 WoW approach is my favorite though. Everything through Racial Paragon PRCs which are accessible at level 1 (but not mandatory).

>>43865685
Give him a level of bard.

>>43865702
I don't know how to do that either.

>>43865667
12 Int psion, egoist specialization. Also, knight-chandler.

>>43865685
Mechanically? Fluffwise? Rebuilding the class? Playing a character?

Personally, I greatly enjoy wizards (although rarely get to play them because they're easily breakable and other classes are just more fun most of the time). They're magical scientists; technobabble galore, lots of knowledge, and being in-universe nerds. Wizard colleges are probably very interesting places, and think of the sorts of fiction a fantasy world nerd would be interested in.

>>43865685
Have them start out breaking encounters to "prove themselves" to the party so they don't get left in the wild to die like their last party did, eventually mellowing out and letting other people do things once they begin to realize people actually want them around.

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Spooky mimic race done:
http://pastebin.com/0Ca6WhE0

What are some other racial concepts you wish existed / were better implemented?

I want to do a couple more.

>>43865745
Why are mannequins allowed to be so hot?

>>43865718
An actual Small Construct race based on wind-up dolls.

>>43865715
Give him a personality. Things he's good at, things he's bad at, long-term goals, motives, mid-term goals, short-term goals, enemies, rivals, acquaintances, associates, hobbies, family, friends. You don't need all of those, but a decent combination of those should suffice.

Anyone got any experience with a Celestial Commander/Master Summoner?

I've never made a summon focused character before and am not entirely sure what feats are good choices as Celestial Commander gives up the Eidolon.

>>43865772
Sounds fun. Sorry I deleted on you.

Should they need winding-up in normal activity? Or just wind up at night as their form of rest? The first would be pretty tough to do.

>>43865785
Spell Focus (conjuration) and most of the stuff that has it as a prereq is worth looking at. Also, look at the shit that gives your summons evolutions.

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>tfw no Psionics Augmented: Wilder, and PoWE - Mystic on sale

>>43865811
Winding up as their form of rest, aye. Maybe they immediately fall unconscious if their key is removed?

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>>43865719
Gareth says \o/

Speaking of the Knight-Chandler, the archetype's issues of not getting much of anything to replace Animus were discussed a while back, and this was the result. We wanted to post this back up to see if anyone else wanted to give feedback on it before it gets set aside for the final version.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G7wNAhK6838KO7LtrV4UR2fZtw-pGkvslRuqHx_44v4/edit

New stuff in red.

>>43865937
>league of legends

dropped.

>>43865827

Cool.

I was looking at going Charm domain as my domain of choice (Celestial commander gets a domain instead of the Ediolon) unless I can find a more fun one.

The various enchantment spells look like nice additions to help with non-combat stuff and to mesh well with my huge Charisma. It also gives me something to spend my turns DOING as my summons are the real combatants.

What is the minimum amount of Dex an Archivist Bard should have to be an effective Disable Device Bot? I currently have 19 at level 1, but I would like to switch to a more strength based build.
Stats:
STR 12
DEX 19
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 14

>>43865937
Since I suspect he missed it, give Gareth a kudos for selling me on your PDFs.
>43865064

>>43865785 Here again

Out of interest, what Teamwork Feats are actually worth the effort assuming you can just hand them out to allies? (Celestial Commander gets to share teamwork feats with summons/use CL for BAB for getting such feats)

>>43866022
Advanced Class Guide has one that lets you intercept a charge.

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>>43865998
I missed nothing anon, and I look forward to working with you in the future. We're always playtesting something new.

Lemme know if you wanna deliver feedback on PsiAug: Wi. I've gotten quite a bit of suggestions already, but more data never hurt anyone.

>>43866039

Oooh, yep. That's going on the list.

I'm looking more to help allies rather than dominate battles myself so that sounds fantastic.

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>>43865942
I am terribly sorry to hear that. Is there anything I can do to help your drop land softly?

I have two lantern-related images on this computer. It was that or touhou.

>>43865980
Honestly, 15-16 dex should be plenty. When i built my archivist bard I focused a lot on my spells and skills instead of physical combat save for ranged attacks, and considering most bard spells require save DCs, I typically boosted my charisma as hard as I could.

Str should be something to think about as well I suppose. 12-14 if you choose weapon finesse or are using a composite bow, or replace that dex with str for 16-17 str and 14 or so dex.

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>>43866073

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Best race for psychic out of human/elf/android/samsaran?

>>43866115
half-elf

>>43866115
>Best race for...

Human, always.

>>43866090
Looks like he shops at bad dragon.

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>>43866073
I need a flux for pic related.

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>>43866073
why not 2hu then

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>>43866205
fuck the police

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>>43866180
Would you use force, negative energy, or something else for radiation? I think I'd actually use Elemental Flux (water); it's got lots of sicken and nauseate effects because it drowns or freezes them, but it'd fit for short-term at least.

>>43866181
awoo

>>43866213
You know that's not supposed to be taken literally, right, anon?

>>43866213
No.

>>43866225
>>43866205

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>>43866054
Will do, once I've given it a more thorough read.

By the way, your print-friendly PDFs come out pretty nice from my cheap B&W Printer.

>>43866225
There's already radiation rules in Technology Guide, it's a poison effect that deals Con drain and recurring Str damage

>>43866136
Eh, human is always a solid choice but elf is arguably outright better for pure, INT based caster.

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>>43866234
I feel oddly gleeful seeing this in print, even though I know you did it yourself. It tickles some part of my withered little soul. I hope you enjoy, anon.

>>43866271
Cheers, Gareth.

How do I hide being a necromancer? I'm LN and employee necromancy mostly for labor, and deplore using it on anything intelligent, but do use it on animals.

>>43866332
Who do you need to hide it from? Do they have Divination, or are you trying to keep an Pally/Inquis in the dark?

You can't run from your sins.

>>43866352
I'm trying to keep people in towns I pass through in the dark.

>You can't run from your sins.
Bullshit.

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>>43865772
>>43865811
>>43865856
Sorry about the wait. How's this?

Auto-man
http://pastebin.com/VwYwkNYE

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>>43866392
>Automen make excellent footrests.

>>43866392
Neat! Decent fluff, interesting mechanics, doesn't wreck party synergy too much, and isn't pigeonholed into too few classes!

>>43866392
>Small race
>STR bonus
>hands to wield lances with
>doesn't have Own Two Feet

Gentlemen, it is time.

Okay, fuck you, DSP, fuck you, Gareth, for making me spend so much money.
Bought PoW:E and Akashic subsciptions. I hope I will enjoy it.

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>>43866480
You know where to find us if you need us anon. I'ma link your post at Ssalarn, I'm sure he'll be happy to see it.

And...again, guys, I cannot express my gratitude enough. /pfg/ has been very welcoming, and very helpful, and...and, well, loyalty is a circle.

I gotta hit bed, anons. Be well.

>>43866469
>gets piked because lmao 10 Con
>revived by enemy conquerers 50 years later wondering where his riding dog went

Any other race concepts?

>>43866392
The strength checks do not in fact have a DC listed. Which is a very odd way to do it, unless the roll is literally just for how much extra time they can stay up.

>>43866554
It's just the roll for how long they stay up, looks like.

>>43866469
>you can be a small race with aasimar, tiefling, dhampir, and skinwalker if you chose

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>>43866522
Kitsune that don't suck literal ass.

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>>43866575
>tfw didn't actually know this was allowed

I feel dumb now.

>>43866554
It's just how much time they can stay up, yes. One could be kept going for a couple days with seriously titanic checks, I guess. The "8 + ..." means that even a pair of "failed" checks that amount to 0 from some venerable wizard party member can still help him get through enough of the day to do stuff before needing a wind-up.

>>43866392
STR based Bards are perfect for this race, a windup war drummer

>>43866591
You, all you do is make them small

makes sense because there's no reason a halfling couldn't be one of any of those

I'm playing a small dhampir
RIGHT
NOW

If level 1 character should be clearing rats in a basement, and level 20 characters should be fighting gods (or become one), what should level 10 characters do?

>>43866588
Transforming fox-to-human like folk legends, or just stuck as a hybrid like anime? Isn't one of the Oriental Adventures races perfect for this?

>>43866614
Ahaha, I never thought of that.

>>43866632
Clearing fiends from a basement.

>>43866632
Fucking your mom

>>43866634
Transforming fox-to-human that can be human, fox, foxy human, or possible look like all of them at once if the observer is perceptive enough.

Bloodforge 2: Now with less elves please, Gareth

>>43866632
Becoming Rat Gods of the basement

>>43866522
Illithids playable alongside regular (core) races, that still keep a Mind Blast.

>>43866522
Playable ent, straight up.

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>>43866522
Maybe some spider guys that're unique from Driders?

Either that or something non-undead with a Create Spawn-like ability that doesn't remove free will.

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Anyone have a link to the write up for what the campaign setting looks like assuming all AP bad ends?

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>>43866655
Can you critique Hengeyokai for this concept, and what they fail at that you want out of a kitsune?

Their 3.5e errata is that they're now Humanoid (shapechanger) FYI.

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>>43866648

I guess that could be a challenge for level 10 adventurers.

>>43866676
Aw hell no, it's not an ent if it's not 20ft tall, and you aren't playing a 20ft tall tree in a dungeon crawl.

>>43866678
That might be interesting. I wonder if some kind of webspinning features would be fun.

>>43866774
Honestly, I really like hengeyokai and have used them a decent amount in 3.5, but the ones other than sparrow have a fairly massive opportunity cost. When your race gives you some very important early abilities (immunities, stats, a feat, racial options, various other things), it's hard to justify taking the hit for fluff when I could grab another race, a spellcaster of some sort, and refluff it into what I need.

Overall, the transformation is barely a relevant ability for a race's power. It's some okay stuff for stealth, but rarely relevant (using it to scout ahead splits the party hard and isn't going to be great in dungeons), so they need actual, mechanical racial traits to be worthwhile. A lot of cool races have that issue (paid penalties for an ability that's entirely fluff, which makes the race bad at everything and maybe just mediocre at something. Fox hengeyokai fit into that paradigm).

Sparrow hengeyokai laserbird warlocks are best hengeyokai.

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>>43859834

The tiers of the less well-known Advanced Class Guide classes are hardly discussed, and neither are the tiers of the Occult Adventures classes other than the kineticist and the psychic.

There is very little good reason why the hunter should be tier 3 as opposed to a high tier 4 due to its spellcasting coming from the druid/ranger lists and its animal companion not being astoundingly useful.

The psychic deserves tier 1 placement no more than a sorcerer (Sage bloodline) does, especially with both having access to Intelligence-based casting and the sorcerer having the better spell list. The "conveniences" of psychic spellcasting are also overstated. In other words, the psychic should be tier 2.

The sorcerer (psychic bloodline) is also hardly that much of an improvement over the regular sorcerer. The undercastable spells it receives are not mind-blowing, and the psychic magic components are not the godsend many believe them to be, particularly since they practically require a character to invest in defenses against fear effects and Intimidate-demoralization.

The magus (hexcrafter) and the inquisitor (monster tactician) have no business being in tier 2. They cannot exactly cast spells like Plane Shift, Teleport, Planar Binding, or Planar Ally by the mid-levels, so they should not qualify.

What is it about Monstrous Physique being UMDed that suddenly allows a bloodrager to rise from tier 4 to tier 3, in a way that could not be justified for many other classes? Furthermore, what is it about the Urban Bloodrager that lets the bloodrager go from tier 4 to tier 3? By 13th-level, a single 2nd-, 3rd-, and 4th-level spell each from the bard or magus lists does not suddenly make a tier 3 class.

Does a spiritualist automatically deserve tier 3 placement just because it has 6th-level spellcasting? Its spell list is far from ideal. Its phantom is nowhere as customizable and thus nowhere as powerful as an eidolon. They are *useful*, yes, but how much can they offer?

>>43866807
>racial Magus archetype that uses Spellstrike with their webs

>>43866807
Not all Ents were that enormous. They were about as big as trolls, seeing as trolls were modeled after Ents.

They seemed really enormous to hobbits, but hobbits aren't all that tall.

FantasyCraft managed it.

>>43866778
Forgot about these guys

Probably because I'm still trying to forget blinklings.

>>43866839

Did they nerf the druid list /that/ much in PF? In 3.5, it was actually quite good, with strong battlefield control and utility. Ditto the ranger list, especially if you got spells at early levels. Mystic Ranger was a pretty awesome, solid tier 3 gish as a result of the latter.

If they did nerf them, that's a shame.

>>43866632
>If level 1 character should be clearing rats in a basement, and level 20 characters should be fighting gods (or become one), what should level 10 characters do?

Level 1: pest control.
Level 5: congratulations, you're a real adventurer, albeit an inexperienced one.
Level 10: you're starting to be a big deal . You could be a lieutenant in the army, or some such. You're competent. You may have a Rep .
Level 16: you're a bad ass. Most warlords and gold leaders will be around here.
Level 20: fighting demons and ancient dragons and pissing off demigods. Archmages and shit should be around here.

>>43866867
I've heard it said that level 7 is where the Big Deals start showing up.

>>43866632

Ideally or in practice? If I had a chance to redesign the 1-20 level system from the ground up, it'd look something like this:

http://pastebin.com/BML9KjZY

Otherwise, I tend to go:

>Level 1 means you're a mook. We never start at level 1, why would you do that, it's awful rocket tag.
>Level 3 means you're a beginner. Just got out of wizard school, maybe go back for grad school. Just got out of fighter training.
>Level 6 means you're competent. You've got some adventures under your belt, and might have a local rep, although you're not a big name.
>Level 10-11 is around the point where you're a power player. If you're a mage, you have world-warping magic now. If you're a martial, you can kill many dangerous beasts and powerful warriors in six seconds.
>Level 15 is when you're a living legend. Kings go to you to help with their problems, and your presence near a battlefield can turn the tide of a war, even if you don't fight. If you so much as place your hand on your weapon, even experienced adventurers will quake in their boots.
>Level 20, you are a godlike being or a god.

>>43866833
I'm really not sure what to do about the pure animal form. It's just a fox... Maybe the Kitsune can have a SLA like Charm when in that form, as they are sort of magical guides? Could also throw in Hide bonuses.

For the human/hybrid stuff, what would you say if the humanoid form had just +2 Dex, and going hybrid gave another +2 Dex but -2 Wis there? +4 Dex races are very rare.

>>43866900
My games tend to have a decent amount of people from 3 to 7, fewer people from 8-11, and almost none higher than that. If the campaign gets past that point, the game's scope is going to shift, because the players are major powers in their own right, and are fighting problems bigger than just dungeons.

>>43866926
I like the idea of them getting more senseless in half-fox form. -4 Wis would be a funnier change for roleplay, but it would have to come with even more + attribute and then you'd never go human.

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I'm about to add three templates to a monster, somebody stop me.

>>43866888
Yeah. My expectations don't match everyone else's, in that I make more use of higher levels. My normal got dubbed the "man's life" campaign by pfg.

>>43866959
Only 3?

You'll need at least two more, and crib a few abilities from other monsters to round it out.

>>43866966
Oh shit i remember that thread

Didn't you start giving class levels to monsters and shit

>>43866959
That's nothing, I just made a monster that cannot permanently die and steals a random attribute from every living creature within 30ft of it every round passively.

>>43866900
My Eberron game was basically like this. We started at level 5.

At the start, we were all fairly competent, but basic. Our Warlord was a mercenary with a few jobs under his belt, my Wizard was a Cannith forgemage, etc.

Now that we're around level 14 our Warlord now has her (they died at some point, and was reincarnated a she) own Company, and the Wizard is the BBEG.

Pretty mch everybody else has vaguely similar stories, but those are my best examples.

>>43866979
Damage or drain?

And by steal, it buffs itself with it?

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>>43866866

Entangle is somewhat weaker since the DCs to extricate oneself from entanglement are spell DC-based rather than a flat 20, it takes only a move action to attempt to extricate oneself, and a successful save to begin with means moving freely through the area during their turn.

The Pathfinder druid and ranger lists have their own new tricks from supplements, but none of them quite match up to what was offered to druids and rangers from the spell compendium alone.

>>43866977
I explained that things like orcs never become obsolete in my games because a 1hd orc in my games is like, an orc teenager, and that you can expect an orc warlord to be at least level 14.

You guys pointed out how I wasn't making nearly good enough use of giant killer animals.

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>>43867007

oh i remember

>>43866991
Just 1 attribute damage, and yep. It returns the attributes stolen when knocked into negative hit points, but that slow theft begins again almost immediately even while it lays there. In addition to being just a huge brawler monster, it makes use of acquired mental stats to shoot psionic powers out of its one stump-arm.

>>43867018
I do think someone suggested I start giving barbarian class levels to all the animals, but I haven't actually done that.

These days in more interested in benchmark based monster creation than building them to be like PCs.

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>>43866839

To emphasize my point, I would like for everyone to compare two classes with d8 HD, 3/4 BAB, two good saving throws, and 6th-level Wisdom-based spontaneous casting:

The inquisitor and the hunter.

The inquisitor completely blows away the hunter in terms of overall benefit from class features and in terms of spell list, so should the hunter's position in the tier list not be on shakier metaphorical ground?

An inquisitor who badly desires an animal companion can gain one through the Chivalry inquisition (it must be a mount though) or the Animal domain (this will demand a feat for Boon Companion).

>>43867077
Or animal ally.

>>43866839
The "conveniences" of being totally shut down by the shaken condition unless using abilities to become immune to those things and adding 10 to the DC of all concentration checks?

Truly overpowered compared to people HEARING YOU SPEAK.

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>>43867097

That takes a somewhat heavy feat chain, of course (Nature Soul -> Animal Ally -> Boon Companion). I fully expect most inquisitors to prioritize taking feats to augment their own combat prowess, and a Charisma-destroying inquisition such as Conversion or Redemption that allows them to dump Charisma down to 7 and still be Wisdom-based party faces.

I still think that the inquisitor (warpath follower) and the warpriest (warpath follower) are too powerful and flexible due to giving up less than they receive, and it seems that Gareth and Elric have miscommunicated on this due to the former thinking that the warpath follower loses spells.

An inquisitor (warpath follower) is rather high in the tier 3 position from 4th-level alone.

Speaking of which, my point in >>43866839 is that the tier list in the pastebin is too lenient with tier definitions and allows classes to rise in tiers just because of a few upgrades. That should not be happening, and the tier definitions should be strict and adhered to.

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>>43866588
>>43866655
>>43866833
>>43866952
Kitsune done. Based on Hengeyokai a bit with other ideas thrown in.
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>>43867226

>==Languages== Common, Fox, 日本語

kek

>>43867226
BUT WHAT TYPE OF ABILITY IS DOGS

Ok, so I've been really wanting to run a game where all the characters are members of a mercenary company on the heels of a war that has embroiled and entire region held within a large inlet leading into a delta. I would design a cast for the mercenary company, roughly 100 indivudals, then have the players start as new recruits under a sergeant.

As they progress they would get more involved in the war, maybe even become in charge of a high stakes siege. Eventually leading to the door steps of the emperor and finding out the reason behind the conflict.

How does that sound? I would require the party to make their characters together and preface it with a fair number of rules for character creation (mainly they need to be the kind of people who would be mercenaries and join this particular company).

Inside the company itself the levels would vary, the most powerful person being the mercenary captain, who'd likely be around level 5-7 to start off, and grow with the players (along with the rest of the company, the PCs would just grow a bit faster).

Does this sound fun? does anyone want to know why the war is happening

>>43867278
You can't steal it as a Factotum, that's only for class abilities. Nice try, powergamer!

So what kinds of abilities would you want an arachno-humanoid race have?

>>43867358
Bonus to profession baking

>>43867370
Spiders are shit at baking though.

>>43867358
A climb speed, bonuses against trip, dexterity bonus, and natural armor. The rest really depends on what kind of spider.

>>43867373
That doughnut was delicious, though.

>>43867358
Web generation, allowing them to use their threads as whips and nets. Ranged grapple checks, using threads to deliver touch attacks, maybe even racial feats dedicated to making the threads reach farther or using them as monofilament wire.

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Construct or Undead?

>>43867410
Both immunities. But suffers to -2 con and wis

I'm playing a Double Curse/Cyclopean Seer Oracle(I was allowed to stack them despite the spell thing)in a Reign of Winter campaign, and I have the "Flash of Insight" ability. I never know when to use it and nearly died because I didn't want to waste it.

When is the best time to use it and are there any insane schemes I can do with an automatic nat 20?

The ability in question

Flash of Insight (Su)

Once per day as an immediate action, a cyclops can peer into an occluded visual spectrum of possible futures, gaining insight that allows it to select the exact result of one die roll before the roll is made. This effect can alter an action taken by the cyclops only, and cannot be applied to the rolls of others.

>>43867429
sounds like its best used on a magus or any class that delivers burst damage on crits.

>>43867429
If you get the deck of many things, you know what you must do.

Which first party class combination should I choose if I wanted to replicate a Shaman from Warcraft?

>>43865503
When you said "different alignments" and "supposed to be special", you didn't clarify that they are "only of different good alignments", which still, STILL leads into my problem with there being no balanced equivalent.

Which I already mentioned, here >>43865149

So that doesn't really help much but to further my point, now does it?

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>>43865761
It's because they're not required to be clothed. Ever.

>>43865667
Staff master Magus, member of a monastic order of Nethys!

I have spoken.

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>>43866366
>spoiler
>not "Bullshit, I have Expeditious Retreat"

>>43867652
Enhancement, Restoration or Elemental?

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SPIDER TIME
http://pastebin.com/UMFepQfW

Two separate races this time, a web-spinning spider made for fucking people over in a battlefield control way, and a leaping combat spider inspired by Diopsids, a Dragon Magazine race that hasn't been brought to even 3.5 let alone PF. There are also two feats at the bottom, and one of them is a familiar-looking feat that was actually only good for one race ever (Diopsids).

They're called Homo-Arachtus and maybe someone else should be in charge of naming things from now on.

>>43867744
Enhanchement or Elemental
Must also have a way to replicate the Ghostwolf form

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>>43867748
>foxes got japanese wikipedia paste, and SPIDERS get two separate races with an elaborate history between them
>SPIDERS

>>43867748
Oops, forgot to keep the reply chain going.
>>43866678
>>43867370
>>43867377
>>43867403

>>43867748
>+2 Str, +2 Con, -2 Cha, alternate movespeed, can ignore Dex prereqs without requiring Prodigious TWF, always get 1.5x Str on weapons

Jesus fuck these fuckin' things as a Thrashing Dragon Falcata Stalker or some shit

>>43867761
For elemental probably an Oracle with the flame mystery.

For Enhancement a Skald can pretty easily replicate Bloodlust (itd be your main class feature!) and can use spells from different class lists with spell kenning, letting you pick the elemental and weird spells you want.

For ghost wolf uh... cast ghostly disguise then beast shape?
Look its not hard to ride a ghost wolf or to effectively do some feral spirit stuff, but turning into a ghost wolf? You are asking for some tough stuff here. The Totemic Skald can wild shape (turn into animals) and knows ghostly disguise. That's the best i can do for you.

>>43867814
The strength bonus ontop of it all teeters on excessive I think, but Power Attack also isn't what it used to be. Diopsids' Extra Arms ability was all that AND wielding weapons a size category larger.

>>43867631
>>43867429
Better yet.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/artifacts/major-artifacts/codex-of-the-infinite-planes

This fucking thing. Rip a page out and turn Cthulhu Lawful Good.

Is there any way to apply templates to summons?

Alternatively: Is there any guidelines for how to modify summon monster lists reasonably?

I'm running into the issue where there really isn't a 'Bigger creature' version of the summon I'd like to keep using. Lantern Archons.

Basically every Archon past that moves to melee rather than ranged support.

>>43867850
Or you can just keep making Titanic Brawl happen and make a killing selling tickets and taking bets.

>>43867850
DC 20 Will Save isn't that hard for Cthullhu, though.

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God damn, I just want the ability to fire a beam of energy from my finger to deliver Elemental Flux strikes with.

>>43867907
So you're saying there's a chance.

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Just played my first game with someone using an Arcforge Dread.

What the fuck is DSP thinking? 20 AC, 26 Dex, splits damage between him and his mech, the Mech has Hardness, all at level 1.

This thing is fucking unstoppable.

>>43867924
I thought the mech classes didn't get their machines until 5th??

>>43867850
That voice of the gods thing is pretty dope, especially if you get immunity to death effects and get the Wail of the Banshee one.

However if you do both, you literally cannot stop screaming and doing insane damage to people around you every six seconds.

>>43867924
>>43867934
Ah, nevermind.

>>43867821
An other good choice could be the Storm druid for elementalist (also keeps wildshape for ghost wolf)

Only issue could be the equipment (cannot use metal weapons/armor) which can be resolved by being a Feral Hunter, but you lose instead in blastiness

>>43867922
1 in 20, assuming Cthullhu's immunity to mind affecting doesn't outright deny it.

>>43867947
>>43867934
He can also manifest and fly. Like, jesus, what the heck.

>>43867965
Well, you could still mess with lower level demons or fuck with evil kingdoms.

Or vice versa.

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>>43867916

You can get reasonably close with a psychic armory. In fact, a psychic armory focusing on Elemental Flux and Solar Wind makes for a brutally competent "elemental blaster."

>>43867967
Granted, that document seems to be aimed at settings in which the majority of it is around the same power level.

I would definitely drop the Dex bonus to +4, though.

Frankly, that whole system seems to be in very, very alpha writing. Is the PC at least small? Because otherwise he can't actually fit into his mech.

>>43868003
Yeah. Using a not-shit kobold template that bumps ups their stats to -2/+2/+2 like all other standard races.

>>43867995
The psychic armory is the platonic ideal of a soulknife and a dozen other things, yes. I tire of it.

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>>43867924

One issue with the dread (eclipse) is that it seems to assume that the dread (eclipse) cannot personally enter the mecha until 7th-level, which is when the mecha can finally achieve Medium size. By 7th-level, the benefits of the mecha are decidedly less overwhelming relative to the party level.

It is probably unintended for the dread (eclipse) to be capable of entering its own mecha by belonging to a Small-sized race. That creates situations where the mecha actually is too powerful for its level.

Then again, the psychic warrior (reactor knight) and the tactician (squad leader) seem very much designed to allow a character to enter the mecha right from 1st level. I will agree that the benefits are simply too much then.

Setting aside Collective Defenses, the tactician (squad leader) seems much too powerful with its 9th-level manifesting and its full mecha progression.

>>43868035
You know, with the bonuses the mech is giving him, I'd slap him back down to the normal kobold stat array. As it is, he's already causing problems, isn't he? Knock his tailed ass down a notch.

Especially since you apparently didn't give arcforge a thorough-enough read to properly judge its power.

Its untested, unedited power.... damn that Forge Knight archetype looks fun...

>>43868055
I disagree with the unintention on one specific point: there are halflings, and there are blues and dromites, and all of those are small without changing anything else about them.

The whole system just feels very in need of tuning, probably some frantic reeling-back, and definitely some going over by the community as a whole.

>>43867077
>>43867077

Have you ever actually played a Hunter in a game or do you just want to make it look bad? Ranger list kicks ass enough to make you amazing. The teamwork feat combos are actually very strong. Overall compared to an Inquisitor you trade some out of combat utility for some pretty crazy combat ability.

>>43868095
The document is an alpha document after all. Ssalarn is currently rewriting a lot of stuff.

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>>43868040

Would you recommend anything else for an Elemental Flux blaster that does not physically wield weapons?

The psychic armory really could stand to be slightly toned down though, with every other soulknife archetype and the base soulknife tuned up slightly up. The psychic armory is too great a standout by Dreamscarred standards.

>>43868095

Those races exist, yes, but I conjecture that the eclipse was balanced around the dread staying outside of the mech and piloting it from afar.

The dread (eclipse) clearly does not give up enough to justify its mech. By 9th-level, it sacrifices +4 Intimidate (not that crippling a loss at all) for a 7 HD mech with hardness 9, +4 Strength and Dexterity on top of its base mech bonuses, and three mech enhancements.

That is a lopsided tradeoff in favor of the mech, particularly when the psychic warrior (reactor knight) has to trade in much of its manifesting and class features for its own mech.

>>43868152

I have never built an inquisitor previously, nor a hunter.

You have probably built a hunter previously.

Since tiers are a rough measure of optimization ceiling past the low levels, it should not be an unfair comparison for you to piece together a hunter while I build a ranger, so that we can see what reasonably optimized characters of such classes look like. I will avoid the monster tactician since that allegedly (and doubtfully in my opinion) pushes the inquisitor into tier 2.

12th-level, 25-point buy, human for race, standard wealth by level, maximum hit points at 1st level and average thereafter, two traits (no campaign traits), standard wealth by level. Will this be fair?

>>43868248
>Would you recommend anything else for an Elemental Flux blaster that does not physically wield weapons?
Idunno, like a feat that just gives you a simple 1d8 ray of your active energy that counts as a weapon attack for the purpose of feats, class features and maneuvers.

>>43868283
Could just go for a War Soul/Soulbolt.

It's not as strong as PsyArm but it's not awful either.

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>>43866673
Sorry I missed this.
Here's a hopefully balanced Mind Flayer PC race to use from level 1.
http://pastebin.com/kCVM0zkw

And now I'm done and have a splitting headache because it's 7AM for me and I've lost control of my life. Goodnight all. Here's all the races made tonight together:

Mimiquin
http://pastebin.com/0Ca6WhE0

Automan
http://pastebin.com/pgPZPnMm

Kitsune
http://pastebin.com/VDQvRJmX

Homo-Arachtus
http://pastebin.com/UMFepQfW

Mind Flayer
http://pastebin.com/kCVM0zkw

Let's do this again soon.

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how do I create the perfect pathfinder?

So far, it has the ability to regenerate from any damage dealt to it as long as at least one cell remains.

It has the ability to copy techniques used on it only once.

It can pop off tiny, miniature clones of itself in cases where it is required to be in several locations at once.

Finally, it can generate an anti-magic/anti-psi field when it's opposition are stronger then it on either front.

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>>43868283

I am not so sure about that. A plain, non-weapon touch attack would be difficult to balance around, since it is simultaneously too accurate (touch attack) yet bereft of many of the upgrades available to weapons (enhancement bonus, Deadly Aim/Power Attack, an ability modifier to the damage roll, and so on).

It would perhaps be more ideal to create a trait that allows a character to convert a (composite) longbow in their possession into a "blast of pure magic" that is always considered drawn and that they can fire as long as both of their hands are free, and that acts in all ways as the longbow that was converted. It could penetrate antimagic fields and even be fired in an antimagic field, just like a longbow could, but it would lose any enhancements.

>>43868316
Great job. I liked the mimiquin, wind-up guys and both spiderpeople. We (read: you) could put these in our homebrew category of the pastebin if you want.

>>43868316
Still no word on what type of ability the Kitsune ability "Dogs" is. Waiting patiently.

>>43868307
Unfortunately comes with the drawback that it doesn't play with active energy at all (all the energy weapon blade skills are for one energy type only; a failure of design) and requires class levels I could be devoting to the not-mage that is the mystic, though I suppose with the way IL works, a soulknife 4/mystic X would be a decent way of loading up entirely on just Flux maneuvers and also let me get all four element blade skills.

>>43868336
I simply don't want the baggage of weapons. The weight, the cost, the proficiency, the handedness. As strong as weapons are, I'd rather be using something that's not them, not daily-resource magic that runs out, and not sphere-casting (I'm still a bit sour). Basically I want a not-trash kineticist.

>>43868382
Probably (Ex). I mean look at it, the whole idea behind it is based on natural, non-magic-dependent logic.

>>43868415
>>43868382
Keep in mind that there IS abilities that aren't Sp Su OR Ex.

They're the unlabelled ones, Natural Abilities.

"This category includes abilities a creature has because of its physical nature. Natural abilities are those not otherwise designated as extraordinary, supernatural, or spell-like."

>>43868489
True enough.

Go to sleep, Parrot. It's like midnight you ausfag.

>>43868415
>>43868489
I don't think that was a serious inquiry on where dogs come from.

>>43868516
Not QUITE yet, it's only 11:20.

Although yeah that bed looks mighty comfy

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>>43868336

Mystic Warrior (Magic Trait)
Benefits: With an hour of concentration, you can cause a single appropriately-sized weapon or suit of light armor to meld into your body. You must be holding the item during this process. With a swift action, you can cause any such item to un-meld from your body.

Any weapon or armor melded into your body is undetectable save for any magical auras the item might shed, has no weight, and is not considered metal for the purposes of effects such as Heat Metal and Elemental Nimbus (Air). The weapon and armor are still melded and fully functional inside an antimagic field or a similar area, although they lose any magical enhancements. You can have only one weapon and one suit of armor melded into your body this way.

As long as you are not holding any weapon (other than natural weapons), you are not using a shield, and you have at least one hand free, you can wield the weapon melded into you. You can treat yourself as wielding the weapon in two hands even if you have only one hand free. If the weapon is a projectile weapon, you generate for it ammunition with each attack, as long as each piece of ammunition is worth only 1 gp or less.

You are considered to be wearing the armor that has melded into you.

Elemental Mystic Warrior (Combat Feat, requires Mystic Warrior)
Prerequisite: Mystic Warrior trait, active energy type
Benefits: Whenever you deal damage with the weapon melded into you, you can replace all bludgeoning, piercing, and/or slashing damage with energy damage of your active energy type.

Do this trait and feat have any holes or abuses?

>>43868316
WHERE THE FCUK ARE ALL THE +WIS HOMEBREW RACES
WHY DOES EVERYONE DUMP IT WITH THEIR NEW RACES AND OCS
ARE THEY JUST DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN TO NOT LOOK LIKE CHARISMA-DUMPING FAGGOTS?

>>43868621
What stats are we allowed to drop below par without looking like dem RP-hating powergamers again?

>>43868598
There's no way the name "Mystic Warrior" isn't already taken by dozens of conflicting game elements by now, you gotta go more esoteric with the name.

>>43868621
chill buddy

>>43868598
Undetectable even to advanced divinations?
Is metal armor still metal for the purpose of druid shit (or did that rule go away)?
Man, that's some cool warforged armbows there.
Is that favorable Strength/Power Attack really necessary or are you just making Scarlet Throne chumps happy?

Other than that, yeah all looks good.

>>43868699
>Is metal armor still metal for the purpose of druid shit (or did that rule go away)?
It still counts as you wearing it, and doesn't count as "not metal" for the purposes of class features, only for a couple spells. Therefore, druids still can't wear them.

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>There's a Druid domain which grants you a familiar, sneak attack, a fancy special grapple move, and mass heal as 8th level spell

It's not like I wanted to use other classes
it's the Crocodile domain btw

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>>43868693

The phrase "Mystic Warrior" does not appear anywhere in d20pfsrd.com or archivesofnethys.com, nor is it any existing game element in a Dreamscarred Press product.

>>43868699

>Undetectable even to advanced divinations?
Correct, for the the same reason that there is no RAW method for determining if a creature in sight can shape a mind blade or not. Besides, the magic auras are still present.

>Is metal armor still metal for the purpose of druid shit (or did that rule go away)?
I should clarify that it still counts as metal for that specific purpose.

>Is that favorable Strength/Power Attack really necessary or are you just making Scarlet Throne chumps happy?
Even if you have one hand free, you are still wielding it two-handed, and thus you would not be eligible for Scarlet Einhander and similar effects.

>>43868830
>Undetectable even to advanced divinations?
I mean in terms of, say, /locate object/.

>Even if you have one hand free, you are still wielding it two-handed, and thus you would not be eligible for Scarlet Einhander and similar effects.
Scarlet Einhander is... pretty much the only such effect at this point, if I'm not mistaken.

>>43868826
Wait Druids have domains now? Why? And why would specific animals be it?

>>43868890
They can get a domain instead of the animal companion. See their Nature Bond class feature.

>>43865937
I like it, but now that it has wording like 'snuff out the light' PRC for ex knight chandlers that became ebil.

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>>43868844

Here are the trait and the feat revised.

Mystic Warrior (Magic Trait)
Benefits: With an hour of concentration, you can cause a single appropriately-sized "armament loadout" or suit of light armor to meld into your body. You must be holding the "armament loadout" or the armor during this process. An "armament loadout" can be any of the following: a two-handed weapon, a light or one-handed weapon and a shield, two light or one-handed weapons, or a light or one-handed weapon and nothing else.

Any "armament loadout" or armor melded into your body is undetectable save for divinations such as Locate Object and Discern Object, although they still shed any magic item auras. Any item melded this way has no weight; if it is metal, it is considered metal for the purposes of your own class features, but never for the purposes of effects such as Heat Metal and Elemental Nimbus (Air). The "armament loadout" and armor are still melded and fully functional inside an antimagic field or a similar area, although they lose any magical enhancements. You can have only one "armament loadout" and one suit of armor melded into your body this way.

You can treat yourself as wielding the "armament loadout" melded into you at any time, as long as you have the free hands to use them. If the "armament loadout" includes a projectile weapon, you can use only one hand to attack with it and reload as long as you are not holding any other weapon or shield, and you generate ammunition with each attack provided that each piece of ammunition is worth only 1 gp or less.

You are considered to be wearing the armor that has melded into you.

Elemental Mystic Warrior (Combat Feat, requires Mystic Warrior)
Prerequisite: Mystic Warrior trait, active energy type
Benefits: Whenever you make an attack with your "armament loadout" melded into you, you can replace all bludgeoning, piercing, and/or slashing damage with energy damage of your active energy type.

Do these traits have any holes in them?

>>43868621
Well the Sphinx I brewed get a + to Wisdom...

SLEEP IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T BUY UNDERTALE TODAY

>>43868949
I see a curious lack of twin shields, or just-a-shield. Tower shield?

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>>43868949

>Do these traits have any holes in them?

Trait and feat, not traits.

>>43869024

Are there any Paizo or Dreamscarred builds that use two shields, or just a shield and nothing else?

>>43869051
wizard.

So guys i'm playing a fighter

What do i do besides full attack :^)

>>43869085
Get a reach weapon and combat reflexes to trip everything.

>>43869127
i'm a mounted small size lancer, maybe i can make use of overrun?

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>>43869085
Take Cut from the air and Spellcut at the first availaible opportunities.

>>43869325
thats a given

Hey does anyone know the rule on pathfinder eidolon stacking sticky Tentacles to get insane grapple bonuses. I don't know where people are getting the source on multi stacking tentacles equal stacking bonus grapple bonuses.

>>43869018
just finished a run of it. Great game. good luck.

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>>43868890
Specific animal domains have been available since the Advanced Player's Guide.

>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedPlayersGuide/coreClasses/druid.html

The Crocodile domain has been available since Faiths & Philosophies.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/animal-and-terrain-domains/crocodile-domain

And dwarf caimans are cute.

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>>43869339
What types of creatures do you want to kill?

>>43869390
sadly i am doomed to use 1pp only

>>43868248
A full Druid animal companion is tier 4 by itself; essentially every other day you can have the best animal for the situation with whatever tricks and feats you need.

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>>43869440
Follow the links from the pastebin to the comprehensive class guides. They haven't been updated with the MTT.

>>43866867
This is... much more like what it's *supposed to be* than it *is*

A level 1 PC is basically the best-of-the-best in real-world terms. A human barbarian 1 can absolutely demolish the world record 100m dash time... and keep up that pace for minutes on end, while wearing chain, wielding a battleaxe, and carrying 50-odd pounds of other gear. 1st-level characters die easily, but then so do the toughest badasses in real life.

Anyway, after a couple of levels, PCs are routinely shrugging off lethal attacks.

This fact does highlight some of the problems with the feats in the game, of course. Even at 1st level, PCs are at the very high end of real-world human capability in several areas, but still haven't mastered basic martial techniques. There is a severe disconnect between what PCs are actually capable of, and what some authors (particularly those writing mundane feats) seem to imagine they're supposed to be capable of.

Anyway, by 7th or so (E6 chose that level for a reason), the comparison to any real-life figures is basically impossible. PCs at those levels are super-human and are the stuff of real-world myths and legend. I mean, if you look at the CRs of various combats that show up in his labors, Hercules was around 7th or 8th level.

Going toe-to-toe with angels and demons happens long before 20th; 10th is much closer to accurate there. Playing on a deific level, even, can happen before 20th.

And none of this is really what either Wizards of the Coast or Paizo really seemed to be aiming for. They just seem to have severely underestimated the capabilities that they were handing out, especially to spellcasters.

Is there a way to make a magic weapon deal nonlethal damage without the -4 to the attack roll outside the Merciful wsa?
I have a powerful need for it.

>>43869528
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/stage-combatant-combat
>Benefit: When you make an attack with a weapon that you have Weapon Focus in, you take no penalty on the attack roll when you are attempting to make an attack that deals no damage or nonlethal damage.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/bludgeoner-combat
>Benefit: You take no penalty on attack rolls for using a lethal bludgeoning weapon to deal nonlethal damage.

>>43869560
Feats aren't gonna help, way past that point.
I'm looking for an item, spell, or equipment that can do the job.

>>43869568
Then we need more information.

>>43869662
It literally is what I said before.
I need a way to, temporary or permanently, make a weapon deal nonlethal damage without the use of feats, the Merciful wsa, or high level spells.

Anyone have experience with the Armour as DR rule?

A GM I know is planning to use it but the math feels off to me. AC will end up way too low and a lot of weapons will just bounce.

Am I wrong?

>>43869692
Armor as DR works without a hitch, really, until levels 7+, I think.
Another anon cut it that half of armor went to AC, half to DR, or something of that type, and it scaled better.

>>43869681
I meant the specific reason you need this nonlethal magic weapon for, and your character.

Otherwise, buy a magic sap.

>>43869778
I am dueling someone, and I wish not to kill them. However, I may not be in a position to switch weapons, so I am looking for a way to do it on the sly.

>>43869800
I think there might be an Ioun stone that does what you're looking for? Not sure, though. Been a while

>>43868621
I think one or two of the planetouched I homebrewed had +WIS.

>>43869560
>>43869778
>>43869800

There's a trait that will work if you're A) using a bladed weapon, and B) worship a specific god.

Blade of Mercy

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/religion-traits/blade-of-mercy-goddess-of-dawn

If you're not playing with the standard PFG pantheon, then ask your DM how/if they want to enforce B.

Playing a Samsaran Arcanist, what spells should I grab with Mystic past life?

Whats the best way to use a weapon larger than your size category effectively?

>>43870093
Tiefling Aegis with primal warrior stance.

>>43870093
Cast animate object, make it your mount

>>43866522
I'm working on a not shitty variant of playable Orcs and Beetle People.

>>43870093
Not with a halfling girl, you really WILL split her in half.

>>43870141
Would you, could you, in a Gnome?
Fuck her! Fuck her! Make her foam!

>>43867916
Soul Sage archetype soon, anon. I just need to figure out what to do if anything at all with Glyphs.

>>43870188
>Gnome
No.

>>43870478
>just a 'no'
You are terrible at dr.seuss

>>43870492
That didn't rhyme either.

>>43870478
Oh...

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>tfw rejected from all roll20 campaigns you've applied for.

why /tg/

i swear i'm not a bad player

but the only games i get a chance in are games with people who powergame ( in a way that breaks immersion but isn't particularly effect) and people who don't roleplay.

what are some things I should avoid on a first impression?

>>43870617
For one thing, avoid posting that sort of image.

Question about Cryptic Grammaton: is the 1d6 given an absolute, or is it for medium creatures? 1/2h is obviously meant to be the same here, but is it for medium *firearms*? What if you have a Large rifle?

And does the weapon's enchants,etc apply? Strength? Can you Power Attack a gun-butt? It's a melee attack so some things wouldn't, but it won't do anything if you're doing 1d6 bludgeoning without the +5 enhancement bonus when dealing with high levels and DR.

>>43870617
First, listen to >>43870629
Second, a majority of roll20 campaigns already have their players by the time the thing gets to that site. *MOST* people are rejected from *MOST* games.

There's also the occasional fuckwads that use character creation to just steal a free portfolio of NPC backstories and/or world fluff, and there actually IS no game. That covers much of mythweavers rather than roll20 though.

>>43870617
Make sure you...
>Have a good mic
>Have a consistent schedule (not a college student or military bro)
>Have something unique you can bring to the table
>You ask questions, not stuff like "What point buy hurr" but "Do you guys play seriously or like to joke around?"
>Don't say anything weird
>Willing to play a class that rounds out the party
>Use your manners

>>43870617
Fuck lfg on roll20.

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Hey /pfg/, you know how Paizo is going to unveil some big secret about Aroden? One of the other players in my group and I were joking around with ideas and then got the idea that he might have disappeared because he entered the little-known Dimension of Time to try and change something from his past. The reason we got the idea was because we zeroed in on part of the description of the demiplane, that "Those native to the Outer Sphere, including deities, are unable to access this demiplane." and my friend questioned if that meant those gods who were not native to the Outer Sphere would be able to enter the realm.

If he did enter the Dimension of Time, then Aroden would have the chance to visit any point in his past. However, trying to change the past is dangerous, "Any attempt to change the past, however, results in a swift reaction. Offenders are either excised from reality completely or trapped in an inescapable time loop."

He obviously wasn't deleted from reality since people still remember him, which would imply he's stuck in a time loop somewhere... Or rather, sometime. I suspect Aroden could have been thinking that his somewhat unique status as a god not native to the Outer Sphere would allow him the ability to successfully alter the past, but obviously he was incorrect. The big question left is then "What was Aroden hoping to change in the past?" and my only guess so far is that he could have been wanting to stop/undo Earthfall. His known intentions from the Starfall Doctrine were that he was going to usher in a new age of success and brilliance for humanity, which could have started with restoring them to the level of advancement and culture they had pre-Earthfall.

What do you guys think? Possible theory? Other ideas that might make sense for what Aroden could have hoped to change in the past?

>>43870093
tieflings can roll a trait that let's them do it.

>>43870707
Not directly relevant, but when that "Is Aroden an Anunnaki" thread started, a dev came by and said that they had written lots of stuff for the 100th book and none of it was what happened to Aroden.

>>43870724
"Ha.

I just wrote thousands of words on Aroden for Pathfinder #100.

"What happened to Aroden" is exactly none of them. ;)"

Erik Mona, Chief Creative Officer.

>>43870707
Aroden confirmed for stuck in Hinamizawa.

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>>43866588
>Kitsune
>Not god tier at anything CHA based
>Mon visage avec du
Kitsune have some amazing feats, and their shapechanging is literally gamebreaking.

>>43870889
>literally gamebreaking
keeeeek

If a PC wanted to become a merchant and level up, how would you go about implementing that? We just had someone walk out on a campaign because they felt the GM's homebrewed feat was too oppressive.

>>43870724
That actually is pretty relevant, since that means this couldn't be the big secret we'll be getting in PF #100... That said though, I think it's still a plausible idea just on its own merits and equally important in my opinion, an entertaining one and could still be what happened to Aroden when he disappeared. If the secret we're getting in PF #100 isn't about what happened to Aroden, then I think chances are Paizo will never actually tells and leave the subject an actual mystery so people can just make their own theories. And this one holds up decently, I think...

Considering it more, I actually feel like it even helps explain why Aroden's disappearance broke prophecy. Prophecy relies on fate, the idea that things are suppose to happen a certain way. As long as everything goes the way it's meant to go, a prophecy comes to completion. But someone mucking around in the past can have bad consequences for fate, because they are retroactively altering the way things happened, changing them from what they were fated to be and thus disrupting prophecies that relied on fate. If the prophecy is "A great hero will arise from the north and come to end the tyrant's rule." that prophecy can't come true if the butterfly effect of someone's time traveling means the hero's parents never met each other, after all.

>>43870991
I'd probably suggest they take some levels in bard, or maybe expert, full stop.

What is a good way to make a 1D4 slashing damage spell like ability scale up through leveling up so it's still useful without becoming overpowered?

>>43871066
>still
That would imply that it's useful to begin with.

>>43871066
1d4/CL

>>43870991
Fluff and rp. Maybe a single rank in profession to represent thay they have the training they need and not eat the skill points that need to be spent on actual stats. If you're doing heavy rp, you should be giving exp anyway, since noncombat encounters do that. Otherwise, I'd level them up at the same rate as the rest of the party because playing with disparate levels sucks.

Punishing them for wanting to interact with the world in a fun and fluffy manner is right out.

>>43871084
Not completely useless, I mean.
I would've given it a bigger damage die if it wasn't at-will.

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>>43870707
Alright... let's see if we can call it ahead of time.

We'll "discover" that Aroden hates his past as a "misogynistic triggerhappy rapefiend"(which is what they call merely even having a penis nowadays) and went back in time to make himself born a true natural wymyn. "Zhe" wisdom drops to 7 and a new adventure book comes out, where the players join some plucky CG rebels to help straighten (but not 'straight' because that would be oppressive, they must at least all be bi AND struggling with it) out the problems that were (never actually caused, because fucking time travel, AT LEAST GET THAT MUCH RIGHT PAIZO) caused by raging barbaric rapefiends angrily optically-raping everything in sight due to the TRANSformation of one of their gods from LE devil-rapebeast into a CG Goddess making them angry almost as if they were real people with struggles who'd been triggered. By things that can't have happened due to time travel.

>>43871066
Let it be used as a weapon.

>>43871115
Are you okay

How would one play a halfling and use weapons out of its size category worth a shit?

>>43871107
People like you are the reason the kineticist is shit.

In my quest to actually do math and shit, I have decided to actually build one of these "god wizards" everyone talks about. Building it for level 12 of course. 20pb, standard wbl

Most of my experiences of casters is playing a malconvoker over ten years ago, so I might be a bit rusty.

Race: Elf? They get a nice bonus to spell resistance checks.
School: Divination. Going first forever.
Bond: familliar?

>>43871107
A great sword is at will and is 2d6 + 1.5 str. 1d4 is worthless. Even a dagger is better.

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>>43871151
does that LOOK okay to you?
his penis is another dude.
another dude who's being shot at.
he's being shot in the man that is his cock.
*nothing is okay*

>>43871115
you seem like you need some help

>>43871107
At-will doesn't matter if the ability isn't worth using in the first place. Any actual weapon may as well be "At-will, make an attack. Every 5 points of BaB, gain an extra attack at -5."

>>43871177
should I give it a D6 or a D8 then?
It's a ranged attack, and I'm a bit new to homebrewing.

>>43871161
I can only think of maybe Titan Fighter, but I'm no expert. There's probably more options.

>>43871235
single target, 1d6/level elemental damage, ranged touch to hit. Sounds good and isn't a balance problem.

1d4 is good for force damage, as that is good against even incoperal shit

>>43871235
1d8 + stat mod of some sort. Maybe mental. Make it scale like a weapon if it's for noncasters, or make it one die per character level orherwise. 1dn/cl once per round is not actually that big, nor does it ever get to the point that it's considered more than okayish damage.

>>43871261
The original idea was 1d4 per character level, actually, and I felt that it was way too overpowered since it actually could get more dice out then the attack I based it off of )a Yamaraj's breath weapon).

>>43871228
Another part to point out in regards to at-will is the limited resource usage of a given day.

something that lasts at least 5rds is almost exactly the same as unlimited if available 5 times a day. You're unlikely to have more than 3-4 encounters, at most you've one extra for emergencies if somehow your rest was prevented or interrupted, and uses 6+ are almost guaranteed to be superfluous at best.

This was why, for example, after the initial "oh gods its infinite" of the 3.5 warlock died down long enough to actually read the class, people tossed it into "meh" tier and went right back to vancians. Because "only 6 times a day " is more than enough already

>>43871281
So then I guess that the ability is good as is.

>>43871281
You're fucking stupid.

>>43870991
Master of the ledger
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/master-of-the-ledger

If you can make it to a timeskip with money to spare, you will be printing money.

I need a Tech-based Hobgoblin BBEG for my new party of evil Drow.

I already have a Hobgoblin Kineticist lieutenant, for a recurring villain, but I need something behind that.

>>43871208
>Race: Elf? They get a nice bonus to spell resistance checks.
If you are doing it right, SR is not an issue.
Remember that the god wizard is also an enabler of the party and their greatest weapon, and vice versa. If your beatstick isn't ded killy, and you haven't MADE him ded killy, you have fucked up.

>>43871301
I honestly don't doubt that.
I'm really fucking new to this shit, so I'm trying to learn the ropes by polishing the few things I have made so they're not horrible.
Better learn it now then never.

>>43871288
Warlock was shit, though, outside of that one Hellfire Warlock build, and even that's kinda bad.

>>43871281
The breath weapon is probably underpowered then. People are always scared of damage dice, and since at will stuff generally gets half level in dice, they end up giving it that.

Half level in dice is almost never worth your action over even just using aid another on a primary melee or something.

Compare the average damage to the monster stats at a given level and it's always going to come up crappy. 1d6 per level comes up underwhelming but not terrible.

>>43871330
Indeed. Warlock's damage was awful unless you had eldritch glaive and he'll fire warlock (which was okay but not great), beast strike and eldritch claws (which was a good gish build), or grappling blast and eldritch claws (which turned you into a lockdown blender but involved using the grappling rules).

I moght as well post the original version of the attack so I can get more advisement.
>Breath of the Yamaraj: you possess a lesser version of a Yamaraj's breath weapon, hocking a glob of scavenging insects at enemies. Make a ranged touch attack with a range of 30 Ft. On a hit, what you targeted takes 1d4 points of slashing damage per level, and are nauseated for 1 round on a Crit. This is an at will spell like ability.

>>43871330
Warlock is only shit if you did nothing besides fire eldritch blasts and think you were cool.
I personally put the Duskblade and Warlock on the same power standing.

>>43871375
Add a basic debuff rider to it that happens on hit, save applicable, and it will find use.

>>43871418
What's a rider?

>>43871313
Primal Disciple Savage Technoligist or one of the new Psionic Mech archetypes.

>>43871460
A masked hero who fights for justice. Most of the time they're enhanced humans

>>43871397
Sure. They were bad at blastint, alright at debuffing, decent at bfc, and had some good utility. They couldn't do a lot at once though because their invocations were not a lot. My general "quick fix" houserules are to give iteratives on eldritch blast, make EB not care about SR unless an eldritch essence is applied, and double their invocations known.

>>43871460
An effect that applies on a hit. Like snowball the spell. "X damage and save against Y effect." The effect is the rider.

>>43871472
Savage Technologist came to mind, maybe a Space Marine inspired character.

IDK.

>>43871460
A rider is an effect that comes into play packaged alongside damage.

>>43871460
An added debuff or other effect.

>>43871372
You could do some nice stuff with Warlock. Chaining Nosomatic Chirurgeon into some spellcasting ability was pretty solid, like Contemplative or Mage of the Arcane Order. You could also abuse virtual levels for Anima Mage to get a nice Binder pseudo-gestalt going, and Hellfire gave some nice damage boost with the Vest meld and Glaive or Claws. I favored Glaive if I couldn't get it houseruled to an attack action since Warlocks actually were pretty good at being undetectable.

>>43871508
Oh right, and the Savage Species feat to turn EB into Su, stripping it of SR without typing its damage or using an invocation slot. That helped. Warlock was probably my favorite class in 3.5, along with Sorc, so I have a bunch of notes laying around somewhere on optimizing them.

>>43871495
>>43871503
>>43871504
Should the rider be something like "save o r-2 to attack rolls" or "save or be sickened/staggered/some other minor aflliction for 1 round"?

>>43871508
My favorite warlock build is to use Anima Mage theurging and the fact that according to some bad wording in Complete Arcane, you can apply metamagic that doesn't affect level to SLAs. So you use vestige metamagic to do stuff like twin spell edrirch glaive a couple times per day and also add invisible spell to your eldritch blast to be the coolest warlock ever

>>43871532
If it's something that can cost actions, make it by save for 1 round.
If it's -2 to one thing, no save. -2 to EVERYTHING, put in a save.

>>43871554
I planned to try a dip of Spelldancer and Persist schemas at some point, if I ever got another 3e game. Spelldancer is an amazing PrC in general, though.

>Breath of the Yamaraj: you possess a lesser version of a Yamaraj's breath weapon, hocking a glob of scavenging insects at enemies. Make a ranged touch attack with a range of 30 Ft. On a hit, what you targeted takes 1d4 points of slashing damage per level, must make a will saving throw or be sickened for 1 round. Also, if the attack makes a crit, the target is automatically nauseated for 1 round. This is an at will spell like ability.

Is thsi good, or is worded weirdly or still too weak?

>>43871619
Make it vs Reflex.
Also need to say what the DC is based on.

>>43871589
Spelldancer is neat. I like artificer for persistomancy, myself, but after writing a guide on exactly that I have found the class to be too strong to play and not feel dirty.

>>43871650
>Breath of the Yamaraj: you possess a lesser version of a Yamaraj's breath weapon, hocking a glob of scavenging insects at enemies. Make a ranged touch attack with a range of 30 Ft. On a hit, what you targeted takes 1d4 points of slashing damage per level, must make a DC14 will saving throw or be sickened for 1 round. Also, if the attack makes a crit, the target is automatically nauseated for 1 round. This is an at will spell like ability.

I've always had a problem with saves and things like that, is the DC good enough?

>>43871677
The big hang up on Spelldancer is the four garbage feat reqs, but it's really funny 'cause you don't have to have prereqs beyond the point where you take the first level, so retraining or a scroll of Mirror Move works out pretty well. It's the same trick that lets you go Lock1(or Sorc1)/Anima1 with no Binder levels. There are some specially noted exception in Complete Champion and Complete Divine, I think?

>>43871725
Arcane and Warrior, iirc. Mobility armor also helps for that, since you can only have one Mirror Move at once. Use Heroics as well and you're golden.

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>tfw we talk all this talk but games be always 1st party or 20 PB.

>>43865937
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G7wNAhK6838KO7LtrV4UR2fZtw-pGkvslRuqHx_44v4/edit

I think the level 9 ability should allow the knight-chandler to have the option to heal an ally within range of their candle.

>>43871777
Dunno about you, but right now I'm in two games; one a high-powered 3.p gestalt and the other entirely DSP playtest materials.

>>43871721
>is the DC good enough?
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fuck no.
Look, anon, ALWAYS have DCs scale with level, or it won't even be of use.
Because it is a standard action, it must be such as to be a reasonable option to turn to not outstripped entirely by spells, maneuvers or full attacks.

>>43871721
>>43871832
The dc for spell-like abilities is normally 10 + 1/2 hit dice + cha, if it doesn't have a specific spell level. Iirc breath weapons are Con normally.

>>43871832
I'm not entirely sure how to make the DC scale with level, because the one DC calculation I could find used caster level, and I want it to be useful for martials as well.

>>43871848
See >>43871844

>>43869503
Good, now pick that up with Animal Ally and Boon Companion.

>>43871329
in general, fireball deals 1d6/level to everything in a 30-foot radius. Its huge and does a ok-ish ammount damage, but burns a 3rd level spell slot

to make that a "balanced" at-will power, ether make it do like 1d4/level fire damage to everything in a 30foot radius

>>43871803

Lucky you, meanwhile I'm stuck here playing yet another rendition of some middle-aged white guy's original the setting.

>>43871485
Warlock was a fine class. People kept trying to make a blaster when it's real utility was the at-will attachments. Wall of fire at will is nice. great battlefield control with just that.

>>43871848
>>43871866
How owuld I word that into the ability?
Would I put down something like
>using your spell-like ability DC
or is that a bad way to put it?

>>43871902
"... must succeed at a Reflex save (DC 10 + 1/2 your character level + your STAT modifier) or become sickened for one round"

>>43871895
Well I mean, it was billed as a blaster. At-will walls and black tentacles later on is nic, but early on its bfc is bad, and if someone picks warlock, it's proooobably because they want to be able to shoot all day lasers.

>>43871942
>"... must succeed at a Reflex save (DC 10 + 1/2 your character level + your STAT modifier) or become sickened for one round"
This.
>it's proooobably because they want to be able to shoot all day lasers.
OH SHIT SON IVORY TOWER DESIGN IN ACTION??
Seriously, shit like this is par for the course.

>>43871962
I know. That's why I buff warlock when I DM. Normally I play sorcerers if I'm blasting in 3.5 though.

Should a wizard's spellbook count against his wealth by level? If so, does only the spells he paid to scribe in it count, or do all the spells (including the ones he gets for free when leveling up) count?

Also, what about spellbooks the wizard finds in loot? Those seem more likely to count against his character wealth.

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>tfw 90% of applications are rogues, casters or bards.

Holy shit why are people so horrified of holding a sword?

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I decided to be a little alternative in an upcoming campaign, heavy human-based, and made a School Savant (Illusion) Arcanist. Am i gonna have a bad time? I always saw Illusion as the middle child, always kinda there but never really shining, wanted to give him a chance outsie of Invisibility-utility. Also the 2 new illusion spells in the Occult book are devastating

>>43872020
Only the ones he paid to scribe. Everything else is class features.

Need help.

>>43872032
Because they want to interact with the world in meaningful ways beyond
>rip and tear
>smite
>charging challenge lance
>full attack

>Breath of the Yamaraj: you possess a lesser version of a Yamaraj's breath weapon, hocking a glob of scavenging insects at enemies. Make a ranged touch attack with a range of 30 Ft. On a hit, what you targeted takes 1d4 points of slashing damage per level, and must succeed at a Reflex save (DC 10 + 1/2 your character level + your STAT modifier) or become sickened for 1 round. Also, if the attack makes a crit, the target is automatically nauseated for 1 round. This is an at will spell like ability.

Thanks for helping.
>>43872081
With what?

>>43872071
Illusion spells depend very much on the DM and their interpretation of what works how.
It's as much DM dependent as divination.

>>43871721
DCs are 10+1/2 Level+Stat, always. The stat can vary.

>>43872089
>Because they want to interact with the world in meaningful ways beyond

Which is why my party's barbarian and cavalier are getting all the spotlight because they actually make an effort to interact with the world?

A Paladin can interact with the world every bit as meaningfully as a caster, it's about the player more than the class.

>>43871890
Then don't play that.

>>43872122
Now, if they needed to make a variety of skill checks, the way the game assumes you must when dealing with npcs, how well would they be doing?

>>43871106
Yeah, the GM made a feat that gives 10xprofit on any sale as exp, but the character gained no exp from battle, gained no BAB, and couldn't take combat feats. You could also make things above your CL.

The player got mad because she thought her character was being nerfed, but she was a cleric with full casting, and was 2 levels over everyone.

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>Reading Wrath of the Righteous
>Transgender lesbian couple
>Half-Orc lesbian Dom (who was the daughter of an Orc father and Human mother) is a super legendary but humble Paladin badass
>She later becomes the regent of the Crusader Kingdom and is excellent at it but clearly just wants to go home and scissor her girlfriend
>Actual queen is a tired old broad acutely against any thoughts of romance until after the war is over, and even then she just wants to die
>Other major NPCs is an interracial gay couple featuring dainty Iomedae clerics you need to rescue from certain death

I thought the demons were supposed to be the degenerate ones here.

>>43872168
>character gained no exp from battle, gained no BAB, and couldn't take combat feats
>but was a caster
This flies, yeah, if you at no point ever planned to do shit yourself, which you would have to in order to get started. The whole "gain no bab" thing is fucking outrageous. It breaks the line of pc<->npc.

Ok, so I greatly enjoyed my first taste of Undead creation. And now I'm thinking of getting a specialized undead commander. Anyone have experience with this? It seems like divine casters are better at this just because of desecrate. I almost fell into the trap that is Undead lord so any advice would be appreciated.

>>43872203
Old shit, anon.
If you lurked moar, you'd have better bait.

Sent too early.

>>43872093

My group asked for a medieval fantasy setting with knights and kings. But it should not be european like (seen too often) or too exotic. What makes it a little difficult.

>>43872264
>But it should not be european like (seen too often) or too exotic
Anon, choose a period, first off.
Knights as is implied by your post is strictly a European affair.

>>43872256
>Old shit, anon.

I'm bringing it up because I'm trying to make a character for Wrath of the Righteous but having trouble coming up with characters that would fit.

I'm normally used to writing cis-heterosexual guys but that would just be a giant special snowflake in this campaign, and would be out of place.

>>43871777
Prepping for my new campaign now.

Class options are:
All DSP Classes;
All SoP Classes;
Spheres Bard, Druid, Hunter, Inquisitor, Magus, Oracle, Sorcerer, Warpriest, Witch, Wizard (I may remove Witch from this list).
Psionic Druid, Ranger
PoW Barbarian, Bard, Ranger

Race Options are:
Human, Elf
Xeph
Hobgoblin
Celestial-Blooded (Aasimar)
Fiend-Blooded (Tiefling)
Dragon-Blooded (Custom)
Fey-Blooded (Custom)
Genie-Blooded (Custom)

Stats will either be 20PB or 74PCardGen. Rolled stats are crap, and I've always found 20pb is sufficient.

No Vancian casting. No Divine/Arcane Split. No traditional D&D Gods.

And then a bunch of houserules, as well.

Speaking of my campaign...