Pathfinder General /pfg/

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first for KNOWING YOUR OWN INNER EVIL AND HOW IT INFORMS YOUR GOOD ACTIONS

Post tieflings of different ancestries

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>>43859289

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>>43859289
Oni-spawn 4 life

>>43856153
You know, I think I may agree with this post. I'd never thought about it in those terms before, but I think that what you just described is a large part of what I like about d20.

The rules are sufficiently specific that it's not just GM storytime, and I can actually know what I am and am not capable of doing, rather than having to look to the GM to see if my roll of 15 on a d20 is going to be deemed high enough to successfully tie my shoes in the dark.

>>43859490
That's pretty much why I like it too.

The rules are there to establish what you can and can't do. From there, you can know your limits and what you're capable of.

>>43859095
>>43855654
Anon, the tiers for the classes have been discussed at length a long time ago. Before /pfg/ had a repository. It probably appears arbitrary to you because you weren't around here then or ignored it.

>>43859341
Weeb!

>>43858084
>Why are you in light armor as a paladin with Dexterity 10?

Actually, now that I think about it, it's mostly because I don't even really care about AC, with my current number of hit points (21 at level 2), self-healing to the tune of lay on hands 1d6+2, an ally to soak up damage I take with his temporary hit points, and the GM's relatively non-threatening encounters (no monster has had any on-hit riders yet, for instance). Should I ask the GM to dial up the challenge?

>>43859842
Yes.

But also, 1/day Alter Self are pretty solid and +2 Str, +2 Wis, -2 Cha is a solid ability set for pretty much anyone

Seems dumb as hell to gate that behind a feat honestly, but I know a lot of DMs have said they really wouldn't bother to require the feat if someone wanted to play a variant tiefling.

>>43859914
I don't think that the aasimars need to take a feat for their variants so I would say that tieflings don't need to either.

Hey, looking for some advice, if you guys don't mind.

I'm running a campaign for some people (Reign of Winter), and the party makeup currently is a Ratfolk Psychic Detective (basically a Psychic Rogue), Dhampir Cruoromancer (Wizard with blood magic), and... a Paladin. It's the first time this dude is really playing, and he specified that he wants to do combat healing, which is according to various guides I've read mostly worthless. Any tips for making it more viable on a Pally?

Campaign will be starting at level 1. I'm not specifically banning any third party content, unless it's hilariously broken.

>>43859914
>>43860052
Blood of Fiends, which updates and reprints all of these variants, has no mention of a feat at all.

Therefore...

>>43860059
Lots of charisma

>>43860328
I was thinking of recommending him that weird Aasimar variant that gets +4 Charisma (the one you normally have to roll on). There's also an event in the game that happens at the beginning and boosts an attribute score by 2. So he could start with 22 Charisma at character gen, and get that boosted up to 24 by the in-game event.

Point Buy is 20, for the record.

What's everyone's feeling on Reserve feats?

>>43860122
Yeah, Paizo have said that they have removed the feat in light of Aasimar not needing one of their own, so you can just pick a variant at character creation.

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From left to right:

>Aasimar Crossblooded Celestial/Protean Bloodline Sorcerer
>Prophet of Kalistrade
>Eldritch Archer Magus
>Bladebound Magus
>Treesinger Druid

Is that about right?

>>43860485
You mean like in Complete Mage?

I like 'em.

Okay, specifically, I the one that lets you teleport short distances at-will so long as you have a long range teleport spell prepped.

>>43860485
good in concept (have an action you can do when you don't want to cast a spell) but not in execution (too weak, needs you to save a spell or you can't use them)

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>>43859289
2e did have best tieflings

>>43860485
Not overpowered (often the opposite) but bad for the game anyway. A surprising number of classes get their main purpose for existing out of effects that are less than or too similar to single Reserve feats being used by a full caster. Classes supposed to appeal to players over already more-powerful full casters solely due to their unlimited resource.

It's okay for classes to be stronger than one another (inevitable even), but totally overshadowing other classes' entire reason for being chosen is when it's a problem.

>>43860637
>>43860662
Yeah, those ones. But, are they okay in PF? I'm considering just including all of them in the house list of extra allowed stuff.

Next question: How would you make equivalents for psionics?

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>>43860485
Reserve feats?

>>43860059
Oradin

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>>43860665
No arguments here.

I miss Diterlizzi art.

>>43860786
I've allowed them in my games in the past, to no ill effect.
To me the main feat missing in Pathfinder is Craft Contingent Spell, but that's just me. I think a major part of playing a mage is having several ongoing contingent effects.

>>43860811
Well. This is a really cool concept.

Doesn't this basically just amount to giving the party Fast Healing 5, though? I can't imagine healing 5 HP a round, even on the entire party means anything for longer than a few levels.

>>43859192
What monster is that from? I didn't choose google as a class skill.

>>43860905
It's from Bestiary 5.

>>43860786
-Psionic Reverberation-
Pick a 1st-level power. Whenever you manifest that power without any augmentation or metapsionics added, it is automatically augmented as if you put half of your manifester level into it.

Prerequisites: None (you're just a fucking idiot if you don't have that power)

You can take this feat multiple times, each time it applies to a different etc etc

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>>43859289
Beastbrood?

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>>43860637
Incredibly underwhelming in practice. The ones for arcane casters don't do much, although the ones for clerics are neat.

They won't break anything. All they do is give a caster a weak all-day slightly better Wizard Crossbow that happens to scale.

>>43859289

>>43860956
has the curious effect of doubling your power points at level 2.

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>>43859289
I think this guy is Oni Blooded.

>>43860997
Yeah you're right, the scaling is actually off by one compared to a reserve feat. Should be ML minus 1 then divided by 2.

>>43859289
Are there any pictures of qlippoth tieflings besides the one?

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>>43859289

>>43861124
hmm, that's actually an interesting way of doing it, but runs into the problem of powers that augment /really/ well, like Euterpe's prophetic song (a 1st level power giving a +1 insight bonus to allies' attacks, that effectively, for every 4 points of augment, increases the insight bonus by 2 and applies the bonus to a new statistic (skills, then damage, then AC, then saves)).

You should also clarify what happens when you wild surge with it (both to pay for the base cost of the power, and to increase the ML of the power).

>>43859313

That Tien-fling is adorable.

>>43861123
He's actually just an Oni.

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>>43860809

What race (or class) would be most accurately described as "touch the cow, DO IT NOW?"

>>43861004

>tfw you will never court a down-to-earth Tiefling born and raised in a rustic village.

It's funny that the thread always says 3rd party specifically, rather than just "mention which books are allowed". It seems like they've released a lot of 1st party books for PCs, is it typical for GMs to use all of them?

>>43861327
Pretty much. Everything's available online, free, and legally after all.

If your DM is limiting entire books (which have lots of content) instead of specific options that might be broken or something he doesn't want to deal with, it generally means something is very wrong.

>>43861361
well, I can see a case for just barring psychic magic entirely.

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>>43861399
I...I love you, anon.

>>43861399

Agreed. Even if you can parse how it works (there's no interaction with Cerebremancer), it's still just... Broken.

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>>43861267
Oh my bad. Thats pretty funny. I can at least guarantee that this is a tiefling.

Hey, anyone know where to find an upload of the Pathfinder Player's Options books? I know they're mostly a collection, but I'm told they have new content as well. All the normal places I look to find the books seem to not have them.

>>43861412
Spotted a Black Friday sale from you guys. Does it apply to the physical books too? I'd love UP on my shelf

>>43860921

There's a lot of creatures in Beastiary 5. I appreciate the book name, but I was hoping for a monster name.

>>43861423
Wait. Fuck. Psychic Magic, not Psychic Mage.

Ban Psychic Mage too.

>>43861423
not the psychic mage (a specific option), but psychic magic, the base of the Occult Adventures book.

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>>43861442
They're 30% off, yeah. And print copies come with a free GM screen because GM SCREEN FUCK YEAH.

>>43861442
Who, DSP? Where would I find that? I normally buy from d20pfsrd.

>>43861399
Yeah, to be honest I hate that Occult tried to muscle in on Psionic content while also still trying to be "spooky ghostie, I see dead people" stuff. Like they should have gone all out one way or the other, instead of half assing it

All of the classes were lack luster as fuck.
The Psychic is a Sage Sorcerer
The Medium and Kineticist are the medium and kineticist.
The Spiritualist doesn't do Stands justice
The Occultist and Medium are alright but totally superflous when any arcane class and bards are thing.

>>43861327
>>43861361
Actually, I can see tables just not wanting to interact with anything Mythic Adventures, as well.

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>>43861480
Ask and ye shall receive.

http://dreamscarred.com/black-friday-cyber-monday-sale-2/

Now that the dust has settled and Occult classes are available for perusal, what hybrids would you want to see that use them?

I think a Monk/Kineticist would be pretty neat, or a Sorcerer/Kineticist.

>>43861456
The Psychic Archetype for Investigator is pretty good. Probably the only reason to play an Investigator, really.

>>43861440
Pretty sure those are all 3rd party.

>>43861454
Griefgall

>>43861524

Monk/Kineticist... kinda... is an archetype. It's also really terrible. I'd like to see Kineticist with psionics, honestly, even though that's not really a hybrid.

I want Medium/everything, honestly. Specifically, everythings that have a chassis that can support more than Archmage and Hierophant.

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>>43861480
Yeah, from dreamscarred.com I think. I asked a 3rd party dev back in the day what the most beneficial source to buy 3pp content was. He said that buying from a company's main site yields the highest profit, though the d20pfsrd yields the second highest (or the highest for people with no website). He also said Onebookshelf (RPGnow, drivethrurpg) actually takes the largest cut, and Paizo takes the smallest cut after the d20pfsrd. Not sure how true all of this is, but I am pretty sure he was right about buying directly from companies.

>>43861524
>Monk/Kineticist
Why would you fuse the two shittiest classes in the game together? To wrongs don't make a right.

>>43861498
See, that'd be a shame. The Guided Hand feat has a Mythic Upgrade feat of the same name that lets you apply your wisdom to Damage in place of strength.

>>43861207
I don't really know, it's just a vague idea a DM would have to adjudicate.

That power you mentioned is crazy strong though, I'd never seen it before. With (ML-1)/2 augmentation, it would only be about Bard song level powerful, but the uses/day would obviously blow a Bard out of the water.

>Pazuzu's Staff can only be broken by a reformed demon lord
has this ever happpened
is it even possible

>>43861412
Canadanon here.

I've been thinking the same thing.

Up til now, I've mostly just banned gunslingers and restricted tiers, but I don't want anything in that book at my table, either.

(I'm also the same anon who is looking at running a "No Paizo Classes" 3.p game, where everyone will have PoW/UP/SoP to choose from, and like, 2 or 3 Paizo classes with a PoW or SoP archetype. *Maybe* also stock alchemist).

>>43861361
I don't think it's unreasonable to set those kinds of rules at a table with the intention of 'keep it simple guys'.

Oh, no, everything I wanted to buy is not on sale. Muh mystic (or even subscription) and wilders ;_;

>>43861592
We've got a redeemed succubus.

And in any case, the Evil subtype specifically states that something with it pings as Evil and responds as Evil, even if they AREN'T evil. Implying that they can have the Evil subtype and not be evil.

>>43861361
>>43861399
So far the only things I see banned are gunslingers and the Eastern options only because it's out of place and doesn't make sense for the setting. I've noticed with all the Occult books Paizo is really trying to make it so Psychic stuff is pretty common in Golarion, so it's becoming less of an excuse of "It doesn't fit the setting"

>>43861606
None of the classes or options are particularly complex.

>>43861606
That's not banning books. Talking to your players and going "let's keep this game relatively simple" is one thing, but outright banning a book is terrible.

The only reason to play this game is the wealth of options available. There are significantly better games for every genre if you're not going to use it.

>>43861513
Is shipping price included in the price lists/do you have a handy guide to know how much it'll cost to import stuff?

>>43861606
In that case, you'd just say "Only basic classes" or "no archetypes", and so on. Book based segregation originates from not everyone having a copy and the difficulty of looking shit up when you did. There are often decent components, even in books that aren't very good.

Now we have google.

>>43861650
there is no content in Mythic Adventures that doesn't interact with the mythic subsystem. not everyone wants to use the mythic subsystem (piece of fucking trash that it is), thus it's fair to just use Mythic Adventures as a shorthand for mythic player options.

>>43861639
I mean... Many eastern options are easy to refluff. A "ninja" is basically just a slightly more supernatural rogue. A "samurai" is a type of swordsman. I personally will disallow certain types of fluff or characters, or work with my players to find something both of us want in the game, but try not to ban mechanics unless it's legitimately broken.

I can get behind banning gunslingers. They're weak, and the PF gun rules are awful. I just have people refluff bows or magic when they use gun characters normally.

>>43861524
I think a Barb/Kineticist would be a good hybrid class. Think about it.

Rage boosts your con, and Barbs have the highest HD.

Gather Power makes you the biggest target for your enemies. This is good for a class who WANTS to be beaten up within an inch of his life to strengthen his own bloodlust.

Basically, Barb/Kineticist Hybrids are Saiyans.

>>43861606
But it's still simple. If you can't make a sheet that shows how your character works and explains things, then this is not the game for you.

>>43861565
Not always true.

Soulknife with Reshape Mind Blade [Unarmed Strike] and Tashalatora (the feat that makes a psionic class's levels count as Monk levels for unarmed damage, flurry and AC bonus) is totally solid and it's a fusion of Soulknife/Monk. In D&D3.5. And also really fucking cool.

>>43861606
Well, many would disagree with you.

A lot of the classes have shit for options if you say "core only".

If you tell me "core only" what you're really telling me is "in my campaign the only classes worth playing are the T1 spellcasters".

I will then proceed to shoehorn cleric, druid, wizard, or sorcerer into my concept, because the GM took away all the nice things from the classes that sorely needed them.

what is the weirdest thing your character is willing to fuck?

>>43859490

I don't get the thing at the end about how optimization is related to PC autonomy, it seems like that came out of nowhere. The point is that a mechanically stronger system makes it easier to know what your character is capable of. A higher success rate does give you greater autonomy in a way, and that's true for any system, but the real question is whether you have a success rate at all, whether the thing you want is doable.

I agree with you both though, light systems are good for a lot of things and I totally get it when people prefer them, but heavy systems make it much easier for the players to surprise the GM, which as a GM I like. I don't want my players to feel like they're in a story that's already been written, or even a story that they are writing, I want them to feel like they are in a world, I want them to be fully in-character and I want them to fully apply their wits towards surviving and accomplishing things.

>>43861700
real-form doppelganger

I don't want to offend anyone (specially the individuals who created the pastebin) but PFGs lack the downloadable content other threads have. Warhammer has all the codices, stories and shit, Dungeons & Dragons get a Mega with every stuff from 5e imaginable, and don't even get me started on GURPS General...

Why's PFG so barren in that sense?

>>43861700
Well my character was disappointed that a psionic dragon wasn't wanting to have sex with him. After she began to become very strange due to a magical comit falling from the sky.

>>43861560
>that map
>those comments
I'm fucking dying, Squirtle.

>>43861677

I'd absolutely love to play a Barbarian/Kineticist purely because I adore the concept of blasting people apart with gravity waves while cleaving others with my trusty axe.

Kineticist in general is an extremely flavorful class plagued by shitty mechanics. If someone fine-tuned the class to be playable it'd probably be one of my favorites.

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>>43861700
a ghost.

>>43861700

The weirdest thing my character has ever fucked was a hag.

Granted, it was a good-natured hag in an attractive human form, but it was still a hag.

>>43861700
They're a dvati, so probably themselves.

>>43861513
>>43861651
>Mfw it costs more than the book in shipping rates
PDF it is, then.

>>43861700
Not a player but everyone in my, myself included, is trying to set the Hellknight up with his superior officer lady Centaur.
He says it'll never happen, but we're really hoping those two get together.

>>43861785
>it was a good-natured hag in an attractive human form
So not a hag?

>>43861754
>trusty axe
>not your kinetic blast charged fists of fury

Do you even Saiyan?

>>43861794
Ouch. Canada?

>>43861700
I mean, I have a dragon autist who wants to fug a dragon, he's currently attempting to learn more about the legendary dragons in Brevoy in hopes that one of them is female.

>>43861734
I believe people stopped bothering because Paizo pulls the links down as fast as people can put them up here, and they got tired of reuploading them.

A torrent/magnet link could work though.

>>43861803
>but we're really hoping those two get together.

There's only one way to do this.

She's in estrus and he's the only one that can scratch her itch.

>>43861734
Because more often than not, if you're playing PF at all, you've already started using a big online resource with everything in it.

>>43861812

>Brawler/Kineticist

It must happen.

God dammit, why can't the Kineticist be *good?*

>>43861810

I guess not? Hags are always an unusual thing to fuck though, what with their reputation.

>>43861841
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>>43861794
Fuck, man. I feel your pain.

My LGS was able to get me UP from their distributor. It cost me $115. When I balked at his price, he showed me that his distributor was charging him $80, and I said "Fair enough".

Gareth. We're suffering here up north, and it's not because of the weather. Help us Gareth, you're our only hope.

>>43861813
Italy.

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>mfw forgetting the promethean alchemist's homunculus can fly at level 1
>mfw spent an entire session having her repeatedly fuck up her climb checks and wading neck-deep through filth to retrieve loot

>>43861818
Exactly, there was a guy on kat.cr who had everything up until June I think but he gave up and no one picked up.

I figured PFGs would follow up the work, but it didn't.

>>43861874

Oof. Even worse. I am so sorry. Wonder if it'd be cheaper to try to get someone you know (if anyone) to buy you one and mail it.

>>43861734
>You can find all the character options on Archives of Nethys/d20pfsrd.
Granted, maybe you want the setting books for fluff purposes, or adventures, or the bestiaries (the pictures matter there), or the DSP books/SoP/Advanced Bestiary, in which case, fair enough.

>>43861823
I have considered having her start making advances on him, but they are both Hellknights.
Fraternization? That's a month in the Cubes.

>>43861878
Poor little Homonculus. She got her dress all dirty.

>>43861828
See >>43861908. the sites don't cover everything, just the character options.

>>43861818
There's a torrent. Literally just google it. It's 3 doors down, man.

>>43861865
I'm sorry Canadanon. I'm doing all I can, I really am.

Do me (and by extension yourself) a favor and re-post the fullest description of the problem as well as your proposed solutions? UltPsi we have a contractual obligation about IIRC so you might just be fucked on that one, but we can probably find /something/ for everything else. Once I've got the info again I'ma email it at Amurrica Edition.

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>>43861729
Shit, they got way less human-shaped in the transition.

>>43861911
Don't have her put the moves on. Have her flirt. Awkwardly. Trying desperately to be subtle, but not really use to that sort of thing, despite being an otherwise confident military person.

>>43861828
Are you talking about SRDs and stuff like that? Because I find the idea of being chained to the Internet for info pretty limiting...

Maybe it's just me though.

>>43861997
...it's like a giant severed claw trying to disguise itself as a person.

>>43861649
>none of the classes or options are particularly complex
>he's talking about the Pathfinder RPG

Are you shitting me? I'm usually pretty good at sarcasm-dowsing, is this some sort of 3aboo stealth-sarcasm?

>>43861361
>>43861570
>>43861649
>>43861695

Stockholm System.

>>43862036
Amusingly, I'm the opposite. Physical books are heavy and hard to search, so I greatly prefer just using my laptop and the srds.

I love my paper books anyway, though.

>>43861908
Oh I see, but is there a way to download these sites? Or do they have a compilation PDF edition?

>>43861571
and it stacks with the bard, too!

>>43862044

I think he might be meaning that compared to the stuff in core, nothing's particularly complex or difficult to learn.

I'm as 3aboo as they come, and I can confirm it's not that. Everything in both games is needlessly complex.

>>43862055
Same. Books are nice, but I've always seen them more as collectibles.

I honestly don't even use paper character sheets.

>>43861592
It's possible. Nocticula has been actively attempting it (but keeps it very quiet).

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>>43861997
Shapeshifting disguise race WHEN

>>43862039

Well now that you said that it's suddenly adorable.

>>43861524
The occult classes are shit and none of them except maybe the Medium and Spiritualists are good for hyrbid classes.

Monk/Spiritualist
Sorc/Medium (Replace bloodline with a spirit ancestor of the sorc)

I also have a list of hybrids I'm still waiting for:

Druid/Monk (Wildshaper Martial Artist that uses style feats like Tiger and Crane. No animal companion.)

Barb/Alche (No bombs. No poison use. No full access to Infusions. Just Mutagens. Has access to both Rage Powers and Discoveries when under the influence of his rage mutagen. Big Guy.webm)

Gunslinger/Alche (A gunslinger who didn't make a masterwork rifle at 1st level. Instead, he made a custom-made potions, poisons and bombs launcher that can be upgradeable per level.)

Cleric/Magus (A divine caster with spellstrike and spellcombat)

Rogue/Magus (Spellstrike has been changed to only activate during a sneak attack. Can access both magus and rogue talents)

Summoner/Druid (You slap evolution points to your animal companion until it becomes a full-fledged chimera dragon abomination)

>>43862111
Take 3.5 Changelings, give them a +2 on Bluff and Sense Motive, the humans' Skilled trait, and +2 to any stat. Now you've got something that's about the power level of a decent PF race.

>>43862055
Heh, I figured it would vary from people to people.
In my case, I like the actual digital books of every RPG manly because the SRDs are just that, referencial rules. They don't teach you how to play or anything like that.

Not everyone, specially outsiders know what "a rogue" is. Giving them something to correlate, images to aggregate along with the rules seems to easy them out.

The SRDs sites always have that "academic" feel to them, I don't know, hehe.

Would a mythic setting not automatically terrible for ordinary people?

>>43862104
>both demons attempting reform are succubi
for fucks sake

>>43862160

Oh, I can get that. I've got physical copies of my 3.5 books. I'm working on getting some DSP books thanks for the sale, guys, and have 5e books.

I don't have PF books because I mostly play 3.p, and don't want to give Paizo any money. Might get the Weapon Master's Handbook or Bestiary 5 to see if I can vote with my wallet and send a message, but probably won't.

>>43862158
>>43861997
https://sites.google.com/site/eberronpathfinder/conversion-info/races/changelings

>>43862187
But anon, don't you want to fug them?

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>>43862187
I know the feel, anon. I know the feel.

>>43861911
>I have considered having her start making advances on him, but they are both Hellknights.

Do what anyone in that situation would do, then.

Have her try and get all buddy-buddy with him, if she can't fuck him then she'll do the next best thing... That could really lead to the real best thing.

>>43862222
WELL MAYBE I WANT TO FUCK AN OBOX

>>43862230
Are you a succubus trying to redeem yourself? Are you going to write a not-succubus trying to redeem themselves?

>>43862187
>>43862230
I'd personally go for redeeming a Glabrezu.

Something about the idea of a massive demon dog thing with crab hands lounging around inside a library as he reads to children tickles me pink. I can even imagine him having little reading spectacles.

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>>43862104
Source? That sounds interesting.

>>43862187
Is it really surprising that the demons spending so much of their time pretending to love and care about people would be the first to turn? It's like cops infiltrating the mob getting so caught up in the lies that they start to become the truths. Succubi are the undercover cops going rotten in reverse.

>>43862187

I know, isn't it great? Arueshalae is turbo-cute, I can't imagine what the #1 Slut would become.

Wait... What *would* Nocticula become if she was reformed? The Goddess of Chastity and Handholding? Chaotic Good Goddess of Sex?

>>43862160

My first step with new players was always to ask them to describe the fantasy action hero they want to play. Then I think about builds for a while and eventually describe what each build can do and how they're different in broad terms back to the player and ask which sounds cooler or more like the character in their head (ex, "very skilled with (weapon), or, not actually that skilled but good at fighting dirty?"). Then eventually I hand them a character sheet and teach them how to play RPGs.

>>43862260
I personally like Osyluths.

>>43862111
Could convert Changeling (renamed to Half-Doppelganger for the conflict) to PF, but it's honestly just shit. Hat of Disguise as a race.

I'd upgrade it to something cool, using PF's nerfed Alter Self, and a set of -2/+2 stat adjustments that you get to reassign on change (losing the extra +2 of most races).

>>43862260
In one game I played in, an order of paladins had a barbazu as a secretary. His story was never explained to us; he was just always there, certified Redeemed(TM), and keeping all their shit organized in a way that only a being of pure infernal bureaucracy could.

>>43862230

Gareth, you should totally hook up that hetero-Paladin man in your stories with a cute Succubus.

>>43862102
So everyone on your table uses tablets or laptops? Virtual dice too?
Seems weird to me.

>>43862287
That could be cool. Please post up your homebrew if/when you do, so I can steal it.

>>43862291
Which one, Sir Tromar or von Thornholm? 'Cause Thornholm's a smite-on-sight asshole who's going to die cold and alone for being a fucking prick to everyone.

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>>43862187

>tfw you will never know what it's like for your Succubus waifu to shield prying eyes from your lovey-dovey kisses with her bat wings.

I want to play Wrath of the Righteous now.

>>43862296
Physical dice. We aren't barbarians!

>>43862287
>>43862311
Ahem
https://sites.google.com/site/eberronpathfinder/conversion-info/races/changelings

>>43862296
Not that anon, but right now, my group got scattered across two continents. I couldn't get them all around a table even if I wanted to and honestly, I prefer text games, as long as they're with good friends.

>>43862283
That's really awesome of you.

The only GM I could find almost explicitly said "figure it out, dick".

>>43862316

Sir Tromar, mostly because that's the only Paladin-man I thought you had.

>>43861993
Regarding UP, it's now irrelevant (for me). I already imported it. But the problem does get in the way of me getting your other stuff.

Problem:
1. The exchange rate is currently terrible.
2. The only way to get your stuff is to import it, and the import distributors charge a lot of money
3. The shipping costs direct from you guys are outrageously high, and if you guys use Fedex/UPS/DHL, They'll ding me with a $20 processing fee to cross the border, too.

Proposed Solutions (seriously, any of the below would be fantastic).
1. Canadian print distribution.
2. Canada-accessible PoD (Amazon or Lulu could work).
3. B&W Printer-friendly PDFs, so I can print and bind (by hand) them damn things myself in B&W, without having to reverse-engineer your PDFs and rip out the page backgrounds to make do it.

>>43861700
She'd never admit to anything, but she probably wouldn't mind a night or two with a clone of herself.

>>43862337
Oh, I see.
Do you guys play using that Fantasy Grounds?
My best chance at finding some group to play with is probably across the globe.

>>43862067
There's a guy who compiles all the class options and shares them occasionally. Anybody remember where to get those?

Most people I know just use the sites though.

I'd love to have them available in a handy android app though (but the android apps I've seen kindof suck).

>>43862385
I actually play over an irc chat, or on roll20. Theater of the mind emphasis in the former case, and games that need a map in the latter.

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>>43862012
This pleases me.

>>43862244
They are pretty close. Since he is an adventurer, he's been given a little leeway when it comes to Hellknight duty. His service to the city (Korvosa) has gotten him some attention so he can pretty much do as he wants within the Hellknight code but is excused from daily service. He just needs to check in with her every week for reports and debriefing. He's shot up the ranks as the campaign has gone on, so really he's just a rank or two below her and may be getting his own patrol of Hellknights, so they'll be equal rank then.

Usually they meet at the Hellhouse in the city or at his home with the party, but maybe she might suggest they go on a patrol route (at night) of her choosing together which conveniently ends near a restaurant she's fond of.

>>43862385
Not that guy, but I play all my games online and Fantasy Grounds is crap because it costs money. I use Roll20.

>>43862405
Haha no luck then, last time I tried to use IRC I accidentally downloaded 17GB worth of index for files that were stored on the chat.

I only noticed something was wrong when a "Download successful" popped up out of nowhere.

>>43862102
I do all digital sheets, myself, but I use hardcopy books all the time.

I store all my sheets on google docs, and when I GM I require my players to do the same.

I have a friend who tried insisting I use a paper sheet. I warned him it was a bad idea, but complied.

After the third time I had to rebuild my character because it was lost or thrown out he stopped demanding I do it in paper. (my best friend/roommate/ex girlfriend is kindof OCD and has a tendency to compulsively clean and rearrange things, and often stuff gets "put away" and she "tells me where she put it" and then it's never seen again, or turns up a year later).

>>43862467
Wow. I'd check out irccloud, it's a browser-based one, is decent, and doesn't download anything unless you ask it to, at which point you go grab an emailed file.

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>>43862342
My friend, there's been more Mourners. Finished out the first series for it, in fact (Aisling & Ana's story, tentatively titled Scum of Shatterdown). Link in spoiler.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?432004-Cool-Dreamscarred-Press-fiction!

Please, please give me your feedback, please.

>>43862260
>a reformed derghodaemon that acts as the team pet
>a reformed gelugon that trains entire troupes of rookie paladins
>a reformed stringy demodand that captures criminals to be brought to justice
>a reformed Asura that has decided to become the next best thing to a god so it's followers don't have to deal with the "incompetent" real ones
>a reformed div who dedicates itself to rebuilding what it's kin has destroyed
all this potential thrown out in favor of another fuckbuddy

>>43862196
B5 is worth the money.

At this point I don't buy Paizo's character option books anymore.

I wouldn't be picking up an AP if it was good. I am still planning on picking up a copy of Inner Sea Gods though.

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>>43862343
Emailed, anon. Thanks for the help. Now help the Aellar find his shirt. It's been missing ever since the ceremony last night and he's still hung over.

>>43862489
Something similar happened with us. We were doing paper for a while, but after losing a bunch of sheets in a move, we gave up and joined the digital world.

And I will say that books are good for new players who want to look through things to make characters.

>>43862568
>Paizo's character option books

I thought all of those were 3rd party.

>>43862184
I don't know what this post is supposed to mean...

>Mythic
Why does everyone seem to hate the mythic system so much, anyways?

I bought it a while back, gave it a read, and it seems alright.

I was contemplating on incorporating it into my DSP/SoP classes only campaign.

>>43862435
In my experience, that's a good plan. Character romance works best when the player doesn't feel threatened or put on the spot. The scenario you posted puts the player in a "something might happen, but something might not happen" sort of deal, which is less overwhelming.

It's not that strong confident waifus/husbandos aren't a good thing, just that people are already gunshy about romance because of Thatguy stories.

>>43862613
a lack of decent options for non-casting characters, a glut of amazing options for full casters. poorly thought out abilities all around.

>>43862559
>>43862260
>>43862187

>adventuring party of redeemed fiends who take the "heroes of justice" thing they've dedicated themselves to in a comical direction
>they're somewhere between "Good-aligned Ginyu Force" and "magical girl team" in their mannerisms
>their boss is a redeemed Red Dragon

>>43862575
Oh, I remember one of me players wanted to play an aellar, but that was during the 3.5 age. He never got a chance to actually do it though.
Nice art

>>43862266
It's mentioned as a post-game plot hook in Wrath of the Righteous. She helps out the PCs in part because she wants to become a CN goddess of midnight and stuff.

>>43862598
>I don't buy Paizo's character option books
>I thought all of those were 3rd party.
I mean shit like Occult Adventures or Advanced Class Guide or what have you.Same for that weapon book.

>>43862575
Oh. I'd also totally go for a paid DSP version of the d20pfsrd, if it also had a phone app. Something I can use to buy your products and then pull them all up compiled and searchable like d20pfsrd rather than having separate PDFs to look through.

>>43862652
Eh, there's some neat stuff for martial (like picking up and throwing people and using people as weapons) and broken shit for martials.

>>43862613

I don't have a lot of insight into the system because I am one of the people who hated the system when I first read the description of the book. It would be like if the Mouseguard RPG released a supplement to let you play as heroic mice, with the back cover explaining that now you can finally play character who are TRUELY heroic and TRUELY mousey.

>>43862719
Wouldn't a reformed demon lord just stay a demon lord, only good?
Is "goldiness" a very mutable concept, or does she have do do a ritual or something?

>>43862719
That's really freaking cool.

If only Wrath of the Righteous wasn't a giant pile of angelic horse shit.

If you have a weapon in your right hand and nothing in your left hand, are you allowed by the rules to make unarmed attacks or do you have to drop the weapon?

>>43862735
I don't follow you.

Mythic is the "Now you can play characters who gain new levels of power, becoming the equivalent of demonlords and empyreal lords and arch-fey" book.

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>>43862291

>Gareth-kun writing about adorable reformed Succubus adventures with a Paladin

Please.

>>43862771
And pathfinder didn't cover that, by default.

>>43862768
You can TWF with your left hand using the rules for unarmed strikes and two-weapon fighting, as usual, so long as the weapon in your right hand can be wielded one-handed.

>>43862757
Her body is literally made of evil energy, so yeah, she'd need to do a ritual and crap to alter her metaphysical being. She can still do good things and fight against her nature because Free Will, but redemption is an alchemical concept in this case.

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>>43862786
...Anon, this is the precise reason that both redemption-in-process fiends in PF are succubi. This right here.

>>43862791
Fuck, I have to get TWF just to slap someone with my literal offhand?
What about kicks and shit?

>Jubilex is considered a minor demon lord
if only they knew

>>43862763
>If only Wrath of the Righteous wasn't a giant pile of angelic horse shit.

You'd be surprised at how much of the AP is totally salvageable if you have a DM that goes into it aware of what's wrong with the AP.

Switch some pronouns, change a token here and there, maybe throw in some extra creatures for an encounter and voila, you've got something good - great, in fact, since WotR is the AP where you become the biggest baddest heroes out of any of them.

>>43862813
Because they're adorable?

>>43862757
Like redeeming a fiend, it's a unique process each time. Arueshalae can gain the good subtype instead of evil if she becomes fully redeemed by doing enough good stuff.
Ascending to divinity is also different in each case. Lamashtu stole her divine power from whatshisface, that other god, whereas Nocticula's plan seems to be to gain power by murdering a zillion demon lords.

Random tangent:

I've been piecemeal overhauling 3.P since back in 2008, and my next campaign will be one where I completely replace the core book with a custom document.

90% Compatible with 3.P materials, but heavily overhauled.

>>43862830
>imolying paladin girl/drowning devil or pladin man/female obox or something equally strange isn't cuter

>>43862850
Paladin+hellcat, with the hellcat acting like an actual cat.

My group seems to have gotten it really lodged in their heads that Devils are somehow better than Demons because "you can reason with Lawful Evil."

The notion they're not equally horrible's been bothering me. It was a necessity for the setting we were playing before where Demons were the BBEG, but I kinda want to flip it on its head. In what ways can it be driven home that Devils can be even worse to deal with than Demons?

>>43862823
>I have to get TWF just to slap someone with my literal offhand?
No. Only if you want extra attacks in a round because you're using several limbs. Otherwise just mix and match as desired.

>>43862858
>they have to do the sexy candles just to see the hellcat

>>43862848
(Related to getting rid of paizo books for running 3.P)

>>43862864
off the top of my head, devils can be cleverer than you. they can exploit what you don't know and don't notice, gain the upper hand in all deals they cut.

>>43862865
So if I DON'T attack with the weapon, I can make unarmed attacks with no penalty, correct?

>>43862825
Maybe I'll take a shot at it after I've run my current Adventure Path. Would probably need to do an in-depth analysis of what's wrong so I could fix it, though.

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>>43862813

So... You have a problem with giving Sir Tromar an adorable Succubus seeking redemption because it's "common?"

Gareth, you know how much handholding you could write about? Chaste little kisses? Involuntary wing flapping from a giddy succubus? It'd be great.

>>43862864
devils forcing nice and innocent people to do increasingly horrible things through inane contracts
a troop of devils enforcing marshal law over a town
devils doing horrible things to a person in secret then having them contract at their weakest

>>43862813
What about an erinyes?

>>43862771

That's what D&D and Pathfinder are already about. High level characters are already the equivalent of demonlords and shit, at the end of some adventure paths they get to become literal demonlords and shit. D&D is about becoming more powerful.

Look, check it out:
"Your character is gifted among the gifted, and gains experience twice as quickly as other characters".

I just rewrote Mythic Adventures.

>>43862898
If you're a monk/have the unarmed strike feat/are using natural weapons, yes.

Otherwise, no, you're not trained for unarmed combat.

>>43862270
Apparently "outcasts, artists, and the glories of midnight"

>>43862864
>but I kinda want to flip it on its head. In what ways can it be driven home that Devils can be even worse to deal with than Demons?

Imagine the most infuriating thing happening in public, clear as day, and it's completely legal.

That's a devil, only worse. They do everything you despise and you can't touch them.

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>>43862903
I have neither a problem nor an enthusiasm, I'm just pointing out the irony in comparison to the previous complaints in-thread. I hadn't really had /any/ thoughts about Tromar's romantic life.

>>43862925
Brah as much as I love erinyes this would not be a different approach as far as the aforementioned complaints.

>>43862864
They are better. Devil dominance means a tyranny, but a glorious empire.
Daemons and Devils will destroy anything they can.

>>43862647
I've had quite a few successful romances in my games, so I know what my players are into and not into.

>Soldier with PTSD and a drinking problem ends up hooking up with the bartender girl who helps get him sober. Then he starts learning about the Old Ones and ruins everyone's everything and scares her away. He goes back to the bottle to deal with it.
>Half-Ord Monk told by his sensai that he focuses too much on the physical and must learn how to make him will stronger. He asks a girl who runs the nearby game parlor to teach him chess and they end up bonding. Everyone thinks of him as a dense moron but she swears he's a gallant gentlemen.
>Kobold Paladin of Saint Cuthbert dies slaying female black dragon and end up sharing a body. He transfers her soul into a phylactery but she then possesses a halfling slave girl the Paladin freed because the girl wanted to be 'strong' for him. They end up in a weird 'parole officer/obsessive stalker girlfriend' relationship
>Dragonblooded Paladin grows up with adopted sister and starts developing more than just sibling affection for each other. Paladin freaking out about it until party Rogue suggests they just get his adoption legally annulled, satisfying his Lawful boner. Later, he gives her his normal boner.

>>43862929
That doesn't get you past the level 20 cap, when the demon lords are in the 25-35 range.

That's my point.

Unless you're going to redesign and reprint all of the bestiaries and adventures so nothing is ever past L20.

Let's say your character is all in on one specific item, be it your weapon, your shield, your casting catalyst, whatever, you need the item to function in combat, right?
What do you do if you lose it?
What if you get disarmed or captured or something like that?
What kind of backup plans do you guys have for your characters?

>>43862864
Devils are a worse evil and if you have a party working with them frequently then definitely try to trick them. Anything from having them rescue a Lick Phylactery to tricking them into supplanting a legitimate and good ruler with a well intentioned idiot.

>>43862967
*Daemons and Demons, I meant.

>>43860665
>>43860842

wow i really like this. it's like westernized yoshitaka amano art.

>>43862903
it's not just common, it's boring.
Anyone can make a waif with bat wings, and make her sexy.

It's magical when someone can make a squirming Qlippoth or a cranky Akhashik cute.

>>43862929
Y'know which characters end up like that?

Wizards. Sorcerers. Clerics.

What about level 20 Fighters? Monks? Rogues? Bards? Cavaliers? Inquisitors? Alchemists?

Those classes don't become anything near like where Mythic puts you.

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>>43862963
>I hadn't really had /any/ thoughts about Tromar's romantic life.

Oh, but you've had thoughts about Aisling's romantic life? Anastasia?

My oh my Gareth, we're really picking into that brain of yours here.

>>43862864

The demon will torment people because it's fun.

It will also get bored. Lose interest in what it's doing. Not make many plans to make your life worse.

Devils don't get bored. They don't have the imagination. They'll fuck you over again and again purely to meet a quota and then dispassionately torture you forever.

You could have a demon just killing people and causing lots of collateral damage, but every devil is working towards a spiky boot stomping on a human face, forever. No free will, no creativity. Just painful, boring stasis for every living thing until the end of time.

>>43861153
qunari? nice.

>>43863020
>it's not just common, it's boring.

Arueshalae is literally the only time I've heard of a reformed succubus actually occurring in an adventure, though.

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>>43863002
>Party gets kidnapped and stripped of gear by orcs or something
>They chain you up in the same room with rags and nothing else and leave to pick through your things
>Monk's face the whole time

>>43863051
It's boring because a succubus is quite possibly one of the most boring demons out there.
They are literally "sexy girls with horns and wings".

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>>43862343
Tidings from Bossman: Amurrica Edition.

"So, most of our softcover books are available via Amazon.ca - and they're Prime eligible:

http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=sr_nr_p_85_0?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Adreamscarred%2Cp_85%3A5690392011&keywords=dreamscarred&ie=UTF8&qid=1448680389&rnid=5690384011

The international costs we charge are because we often get screwed over by the costs if we don't... and I haven't been smart enough to figure out how to get Table Rate shipping to work to breakdown low-weight (say, Opened Mind or minis) vs high-weight (say, Ultimate Psionics) to work properly for international shipping.

Ultimate Psionics costs me 19.04 USD actual cost to ship via USPS due to its weight, plus the packaging which tacks on another $1+, plus the drop off time/cost.

So, I have to base the shipping rate on worst case since I haven't figured out how to make it work better (after spending hours trying to figure it out and giving up).

Thanks!"

He's open to help in trying to get Table Rate shipping to work for international shipping; too much to do, not enough hours to do it.

>>43863092
Are you talking in a design sense or a story sense?
Because there are a million plots you can do with a succubus.

>>43863115
Mostly design, and very slightly story.
I'll admit you can get creative with them, but cute shippy stuff doesn't leave them much wriggle room.

>>43862864

Don't show them a terrible devil.
Show them the terrible ramifications of a devil.
Have a devil ruin their day, foil their plan, cause suffering to people they care about, etc, without ever having met them. Put them in a positions to trace the roots of calamity back to its source and have them constantly discover diabolic involvement.

Then they meet a devil in person. And he's everything they thought he would be, he's merciless but fair, he's predictable, he can be reasoned with. If they cause him any trouble, their lives will be much worse; if they accept his terms and yield to his reasonable compromises, their lives will be much easier.

And if they do that, if they simply act in their own best interests around the devil and live with his terms, make sure that they eventually see how their actions or inactions lead to calamity for others.

That's how it works. I'd rather have a devil in the room with me than a demon, sure, but I'm much, much more scared of a devil in Abu Dabi than I am of a demon in the same place.

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>>43863033
I'm gonna level with you, I literally cannot picture Ana naked. I've tried. I have attempted to frame it in my mind and all of my mental images of her have armor.

Comedy aside, though, Aisling & Ana's romantic life was a plot point. Of course I had thoughts about it. Sometimes characters just grab me for it; I've ruminated on Rusty, Goldie, Morgan, & Anka ("Sign of the Bucket"), on Lief the Heretic, Endeca, Deirdre, & Kyria ("Orion's Belt"), and I was gonna keep listing but fuck that.

TL;DR sometimes shit doesn't occur to me.

>>43863024

Stockholm System.

Golden Lion is a bit too niche, I think.
Like, I can see how fucking good it is, on paper.
But I've played an Initiator for 4 campaigns now, and there really hasn't ever been more than 2 martials in the party, and the highest amount of additional combatants we've had due to NPC aid was like 5 or 6.
I understand what it's meant for, and it still works well when there aren't a lot of people to work with, but I always catch myself thinking "Why'd I keep this one, should've swapped it instead of Scarlet Throne, I'm barely using it" type thoughts.

>>43863186
What does Ana look like? We can do it for you.

>>43861477
This still a thing?

Because I'd love a DSP GM screen, if that's what it is...

>>43863243
In a game where offense is the best strategy because it lets you fucking murder the hell out of everything before it can ever hurt you, defense or support stuff needs to be REALLY GOOD to actually merit taking. Iron Tortoise is a good example of it for a few things. Golden Lion is just kinda... meh.

>>43863172
>>43863115

They're kinda boring story-wise.

Though, yea, you CAN do a million plots with them. Diplomancy and eventually seduction is a good story nich, it's classic, but it's also predictable, as a DM if there's a story slot for a succubus I'm inclined to use something more interesting.

>>43863291
It's a thing until Tuesday, anon.

>>43863250
I no longer trust these statements. Anon has yet to deliver on their teasing offers of sultry fanfic.

How much of a fag would I be if I splashed some Broken Blade onto my character for when my weapon doesn't work or I lose it?
Everyone has such a distaste for it, I figured I should ask for an opinion before I do. As far I'm aware, the problem with it is that it's too good, so a light dip shouldn't be too bad, right?

>>43863291
Until Tuesday, yup!

>>43863335
as long as you know it but don't ready it until you need to, you should be good?

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>some cunt tries to lay down a zone of silence on my kineticist psion because she thought I was a wizard
>crit with an energy ray(Ice) on my next turn and she gets turned into a popsicle.

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>>43862287
>>43862311
Fuck changelings.

Mimiquin

Tall, slender, faceless and segmented, mimiquins resemble dress-shop mannequins in their natural forms as they move eerily about.

=Type= Humanoid (Shapechanger)
=Size= Medium
=Speed= 30ft
=Languages= Common

==Copy Shape (Su)==
2 + half its character level times per day, a mimiquin may use this ability to gain an infinite-duration application of Alter Self, including the normal effects such as movement methods, sight methods and +10 to Disguise checks. It reverts to natural form if it ever goes unconscious.

The mimiquin unfortunately retains the relative softness of its natural form underneath, so it does not gain any natural armor from this or meaningfully effective natural attacks. Additionally, the mimiquin cannot use this ability to hide injuries, as even clothes produced this way are actually parts of its body.

It also assigns +2 to one attribute of its choice, and -2 to another attribute of its choice as racial adjustments, decided each time this ability is used, as well as a +3 bonus to Bluff checks. These adjustments end as soon as the form is lost.

==Copy Action (Su)==
Once per day as a standard action, a mimiquin can attempt a Perception check opposed by a DC of 10 + the number of hit dice of a creature it can see whose last action it also saw. That last action of the creature's is now recorded exactly as it was performed in the mimiquin's mind and can be replicated by the mimiquin one time, down to every bonus and even d20 rolls the creature made as part of the action - as long as it has the correct or analogous materials to those used by the original creature on-hand.

This single-use copied action can be saved indefinitely, but copying another action before using the last one will simply replace it.

>>43863335
Broken Blade isn't even that bad as long as you use it for unarmed strikes and only unarmed strikes.

>>43862864
The thing is that Devils are all about order. In the worst of ways. They're about maddening bureaucracy, hate things that don't go down the way their grandpappy did, and will constantly try to screw you over. That's why Devils make contracts - they hold you to the letter and fuck you around - and why you can't transform into a Devil the way you can a Demon - you gotta die, be cleansed and sentenced, and then whatever's left has to work its way up the ladder. They're basically all lawyers and politicians; soulless monsters unloved by common man.

Demons, on the other hand, are about doing what they want. They don't conform to outside standards: they have their own image of the world, and that's what they act on. If they make a deal with you, they'll live up the spirit and will hunt you down for trying to lawyer your way out. They'll fuck off if you can prove yourself, and will share secrets if you earn them, and will gladly sponsor your ascension into something more than a frail mortal if it seems like its worth their time. They act because they choose to, and that's a hell of a lot easier to sympathize with.

>>43863570
U wot. Changelings are awesome. They had some amazing fluff in Races of Eberron, and handled gender tastefully and like 9000 times better than Paizo's bullshit. It's astonishing, really, how a random race in a magepunk setting did transgender individuals better than literally everything Paizo's SJWs have tried.

>>43863103
How about that. Some of it is available on Amazon.ca.

You guys have a lot of psionic supplements: What's not in ultimate psionics, that I'd need another product for, aside from the bestiary?

And I wasn't saying you guys are overcharging for shipping. I get that shipping internationally can be a bitch in beaurocracy and fees, even if I am only 30 minutes from the border.

Hence my thought that locally sourced printing or on demand or print-friendly PDFs would make that much easier.

Anyone got any experience with a Celestial Commander/Master Summoner?

I've never made a summon focused character before and am not entirely sure what feats are good choices as Celestial Commander gives up the Eidolon.

>>43863326
Awesome!

So, now to pick and choose.... (what's the difference between Psionics Unleashed Revised and the info in Ultimate Psionics?)

>>43863608
Psionics Augmented: Wilder, Psionics Augmented: Mythic Psionics, & Psionics Augmented: Seventh Path are not in UltPsi. We've also got Soulknife coming up At Some Point.

Also, when you purchase a PDF through us the folder should contain two files, one of which will have "_LITE" somewhere in the name. That's the print-friendly one.

>>43863608
>On demand or print-friendly PDFs
I'd be much more likely to buy their PDFs if I could print them out in B&W and have it look alright/be readable.

>>43863570
Shapeshifters are always spooky, man.

They always pull the "why, <name>, I'M YOU!" trick when you ask for their I.D. and it's really starting to get me paranoid.

I mean, who's to say someone isn't casting Alter Self to go around siring kids wearing my face RIGHT NOW?

>>43863660
>DSP PDFs come with a print friendly copy.

No shit. I had no idea.

I'm going to go look through your shit that's on sale right now. Thanks!

>>43863570
Copy Action needs to be opposed by more than just 10 + HD, and if someone is aware of it they should be able to oppose with Sleight of Hand instead.

>>43862325
Anon who waifu'd her here.

It takes a long time to get to that. Expect lots of hand-holding.

>>43862864
A demon will kick in the front door, eat your dog, steal your stuff and burn the place down.

Devils get a warrant, have your puppy put down for public safety reasons, reposes all your stuff and have your house condemned. All through the local authorities, so you never even know who's really behind it.

Devils are every amoral yet illegal injustice ever inflicted on society. They're beyond mortal ideas of being "rich and powerful", they manipulate societies to shackle everyone with their rules, and their rules are misery where fighting back is illegal.

>>43862613
Mythic breaks the system. Literally breaks it - having played it, I can absolutely say that the mechanics will fall apart around you.

>>43862757
She's strongly implied to not have started as a demon lord, but as an Empyreal lord.

>>43863635
Unleashed Revised was updating Unleashed to be current to UltPsi. UltPsi is the most current copy of all psionic data aside from aforementioned new supplements.

(Also there's the Psionics Embodied book but that's an NPC codex; no new options).

>>43863690
I couldn't figure out what ability mod should be added to the 10 + HD, since not all actions even use one. Maybe it should be the target's best one, since if they're doing something worth copying it's probably in some way related to it? Or just 13 + HD as a faster approximation of that?

if demons are roving barabarians and devils are dickass politicians, then what are the other fiends?

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>>43861700

Vanilla sex, with any of his seven wives, for the purposes of procreation only.

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>tfw no redeemed marilith

>>43862825
The story is potentially salvageable with enough DM work.

The mechanics are not.

>>43863591
I disagree. The demon is an engine of destruction, it doesn't care about you or anything else except it's immediate satisfaction, usually gained by causing pain or suffering.

The Devil on the other hand is a reasonable fellow. He may be evil, but is he any more evil than those bureaucrats and politicians you mentioned? Their people, but their necessary for society to work. The Devil is necessary, but that doesn't mean he is unkind.

When your down on your luck, the Devil is happy to lend a helping hand. All you have to do is sign on the dotted line and all your problems go away. Then you can focus on getting out of the contract which just needs one or two little favors, harmless really. A lie there, a dishonest deal there, you'll be in the free and clear.

Even when you're succeeding, though, the Devil is happy to serve. You've earned it after all. Your position of power deserves some respect and the Devil just wants to make sure you have everything you need and a friend to watch your back. You can trust him to stick to his word and be loyal, it's what he's made of after all. When everyone is out for themselves you can count on the Devil to be your ally. He'll be with you will the very end and be happy to welcome you to your new home.

Devils aren't Evil, they're Fair. That's what makes them so likable and dangerous.

>>43863739
Is there a better way to do CR25-35 PCs who can go toe to toe with demon lords in 1v1 fights?

>>43863764
Evil peasants. They glower and make rude gestures at passers-by in their home plane.

>>43862850
Vrock paladin of Dammerich who wields a mighty axe. With the Celestial Obedience.

>>43863780
fuck off asmodeus

>>43863764
Daemons are edgy teenagers with guns.

>>43863785
To be perfectly honest, I have always just moved to more narrative systems, because they're better at approximating the power levels PF characters are at at that point.

>>43863780
I have a fairly skewed understanding of alignments, I think, but Daemons are the ones you're thinking of. NE Outsiders. They are children of the void, and above all else, their purpose is to cause ruin. I don't think Devils are more likable for lying about everything and being dicks, I think Demons are more likable because they're more legitimate and honest. If you like them, it's because you like them, and if you hate them, it's because you hate them. With a Devil, everything it does and every way you interact with it is suspect and insincere.

>>43861498
Well, doing Mythic is a thing entirely in the GM's hand. Its an optional system and isn't something players should just get.

I'm doing Mythic. Party just acquired their first rank doing something unexpectedly amazing.

They'd gotten some setup for it done, I was just waiting for them to earn the activation.

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>>43863754
Cool. At this point I'm looking at probably getting Path of War, though I was kinda wanting to wait until PoWE (maybe UPoW?) released for the compendium habit I have.

Aahhh, decisions decisions...

What's the general feeling on the mythic psionics book? Was it more of a "the fans want this" thing, or a "we think this would be cool" project?

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>>43863773
Say what?

>>43863764
Daemons are serial killers replaying their own trauma over and over again.

Divs are that kid who was never good at anything so he only gets joy by breaking other people's stuff.

Kytons are goths who became bondage enthusiasts.

Rahkshasas are dickass politicians too, but they do it for the lifestyle, not for the sake of it.

>>43861560
that map...PFFFTHAHAHAHAHA

It took me far too long to realize what I was looking at.

>>43863570
>>43863690
>>43863760
Revised:
==Copy Action (Su)==
Once per day as a standard action, a mimiquin can attempt a Perception check opposed by a DC of 13 + the number of hit dice of a creature it can see whose last action it also saw. That last action of the creature's is now recorded exactly as it was performed in the mimiquin's mind and can be replicated by the mimiquin one time, down to every bonus and even d20 rolls the creature made as part of the action - as long as it has the correct or analogous materials to those used by the original creature on-hand. The difficulty class of the check can instead be an opposed Sleight of Hand roll if the target creature is aware of the mimiquin and doesn't want its action copied.

This single-use copied action can be saved indefinitely, but copying another action before using the last one will simply replace it.

>>43861700
It's gotta be intelligent, but it's also got to be majestic, rich, powerful, and graceful.

Probably a dragon. She'd swoon.

>>43863660
>when you purchase a PDF through us the folder should contain two files, one of which will have "_LITE" somewhere in the name. That's the print-friendly one.

So if I go buy any of 7th Path, Wilders, PoW, or Psionics Embodied right now, it 100% comes with a printer friendly copy I can easily run off using my laser printer and a minimum of toner?

Secondly: Embodied - What's the Page count on Psionics Embodied? How many NPCs of each level are in there? Can you give a single NPC sample (like, a screenshot of a page with a CR5-7 NPC or something)?

>>43863785
Said PCs will, using Mythic, be individually as strong or stronger than demon lords at max Mythic.

It's entirely plausible to kill Nocticula when you first meet her. Then kill Baphomet, without needing Nocticula to save the party.

Paizo simply do not understand enough of the finer details of their system chassis to make it work at levels beyond about 10th.

>>43862655
10/10 would read shitty comic of

>>43863821
What, like you have everyone rebuild their characters in a completely different game?

What game do you use that both accurately represents the abilities they've gained up to that point as well as the new mythical/epic abilities they've been piling on top of it?

>>43863941
I think they know that now, since they've said they don't really intend to try any more mythic player content. They just realized it too late.

>>43863970
Exalted :^)

>>43861700
Infernal Priestess: Might consider several of her partners tame by /tg/ standards. Dragons, lillend, etc. Maybe an angel struck with a symbolic 'plague-bearer' appearance would be weird though. Or the shackleborn tiefling.

Plant Sorcerer: Nothing that's on fire, otherwise he's willing to try.

>>43863841
I think of that as a more informed view of things. We know that Devils are going to screw you over every chance they get but when it comes to face-to-face interaction with them, a Devil is far more charming and convincing than a skull headed Daemon would be. The Daemon wants to kill you but the Devil has something not only that you need but want and he wants to give it to you. We all know not to take it, but that's because we've all read the books and know there's a hook in that bait. To the average person in the setting, they aren't that well informed.

The Devil is LAWFUL Evil, that's why Thrune is so much on their dick. Asmodeus doesn't teach Evil for it's own sake, it's just the natural order of the universe. That's a tempting thing to people who fear disorder and want a stable life. The average person is more than willing to put up with a little harsh rulership if it guarantees that he'll be safe from war and all those other things that want to harm him and his family.

A man will willingly live under the boot of tyranny because it will make him safe if he follows orders and obeys. Demons and Devils want to kill you but the Devil just wants to be in charge of you, a more insidious form of evil that a lot of people are willing to accept in exchange for what they want.

>>43863780
After all, it's worth it to send you to an eternity in hell!

>>43862655
>an obox girl is the party face
>constantly tries to seduce people to get what she wants despite being a pike of mud
>she does this because there was a succubus constantly showing her up before she reformed and she's obsessed with coming out on top over her

>>43863978
They realised it too late because they fucking ignored the play testers telling them it was borked.

Still mad that very obvious math got ignored because "armchair theory craft doesn't reflect actual play" and then actual play was EVEN WORSE than the theory.

Demons, devils and undead-based stories all suck. Aberration / fuckwits trying to unleash the Far Realm campaign or go home.

>>43864045
Can you give any examples? I don't doubt you, I'm just curious exactly how they fucked up.

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>>43863860
I wasn't involved, but I'm given to understand that we promised it as part of the Kickstarter and then like many things we promised as part of the Kickstarter, Regrets Were Had. But, then, "regrets were had" is the fucking motto of our dev department so don't take that as a shot against the book. Maybe some other anons have experience with it.

>>43863932
Never printed it out but Amurrica Edition says it, at the very least, removes the page backgrounds.

As far as Embodied, lemme see what I can dig up.

Been looking at the Crusader archetype for Cleric. Is it any good? Worth taking at all?

>>43863994
To be honest, I think part of the problem is that CE is viewed as the "worst" alignment and is mostly thought of as mindless murder monsters, but LE is somehow just "an" alignment, like the others. I'm predisposed against Lawful alignments, so I can't like Devils to begin with, though.

>>43864069
Wild Arcana.

Inspired Spell.

Recuperation.

Unstoppable.

Immortal.

The ability problem list goes on for quite a while.

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>>43864061
Why ARE there fuckwits trying to unleash the Far Realm though?

>>43864077
Remember in 4E dnd when the alignments were LN, G, N, E, CE?
That shit was fucked.

>>43864070
Thanks. Can you also give me a quick rundown of what makes Seventh Path and the Wilder supplement cool?

Also, question: If I buy a PDF from you directly, is it going to be covered in ugly watermarks that I will inevitably have to spend several hours removing before I print it out? (I hate watermarks)

>>43864128
I still don't even know what they were attempting to do with that.

>>43864106
I meant Paizo ignoring stuff, not problem abilities. I've GMed a mythic campaign for a few years now, well aware of the flaws in the system.

>>43864141
They weren't attempting anything.
4E was a huge clusterfuck of rights and wrongs.

What they got wrong (pretty much everything) was horrible, and what they got right was actually really cool.

>>43864039
Again, most people don't know that bit. And as has been described in multiple sources about Devils, many of the people who sign those contracts don't think that will happen to them. They either think they can get out of the contract before that, and a lot of the deals suggest they can, or they are so full of themselves they think they'll end up as a Devil themselves and keep their power in Hell.

No Devil offers a contract with the line 'and go to Hell forever'. You're underestimating a Devil's wordplay and salesmanship. All he has to do is offer them the chance to become a Devil themselves when they die.
Of course, that means they become a Lemure for hundreds of years of torment, but someone didn't read the fine print.

People in the real world are constantly signing their lives away to banks, credit card companies, student loans and scams. Devils are a hundred times more convincing than any of them.

>>43864077
I see it as CE being an alignment that is obviously Evil and destructive. LE masks it's Evil with legitimacy and that make sit more insidious.

And frankly, I know a lot more GM who will let a player be LE in a non-evil game than CE.

CE is pretty much murder monster.

>>43864141
Alignments are hard and nine is too many for kids to keep track of.

>>43864128
It was LG not LN, but it was still stupid. And irrelevant, because alignment meant nothing. Technically they didn't even have "Neutral," it was just "Unaligned."

>>43863932
My pdf says 69 pages. 21 NPCs. Each NPC has a statblock for 3 different levels (5, 10, 15).

They all have backgrounds, personalities, a description, and a "as an ally" and "as an enemy" section.

I would take screenshots, but I am heading out and each entry is about 3 pages.

>>43863326
>I no longer trust these statements. Anon has yet to deliver on their teasing offers of sultry fanfic.
AH SHIT I KNEW I WAS FORGETTING TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING

Yeah, sorry about that Gareth. I had to move states, lost my computer, it was bullshit. I'll try and have something for you by Christmas, alright man? I'll do my best.

>>43864219
Hmm. Okay.

So more like "Rival Guide" than "NPC Codex"

Art?

>>43864223
You better anon, Gareth deserves a christmas present from us.

>>43864205
I just had a great idea for a devilish cleric.
He's an elderly farmer who's convinced that shortcuts and laziness are why people fail, and he's determined to become a devil through doing jobs for he'll until he dies.
>Now y'all know why my friends are so powerful? None of you young'uns today know the value of hard work, they think that they'll talk their way to devilhood.
>But not me. I sat down, I had an earnest conversation, and I read the fine print.
>If I work hard, I'll earn the power they all promised.

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>>43864111
Why not? Haha I jump on the table because I'm Chaotic!

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>>43864256
the usual psionics stuff

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>>43864223
...Were you doing the pic related story or the anon that asked about the Mourners ones?

>>43864279
>studded leather
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>43863570
>>43863906
I like the name. And the spooky. Actually I love copycat abilities too.

>>43864279
Hmm. Not terrible. And the personality will make them easier to plug into a campaign...

And as for the 7th Path and Wilder supplements.

Anybody have them? What do they add that's cool?

>>43864273
Former worshiper of Erestil perhaps?
>always pays his taxes
>model patriot
>he's the reason that all the farmer uprisings have failed since he informs on the rebels

How would a simple farmer ensure his alignment would stay LE at all times? Would work and loyalty be enough? He'd be in danger of falling into LN, so how does he fill his evil quota?

>>43864315
Nobody has the Wilder book, but it's got neat stuff and somebody really should upload it.

>>43864288
How do the "subscription" purchases work?

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>>43864315
Psionics Augmented: Wilders was me. Offers a pair of archetypes - the Voidheart (a reverse Wilder) & Surging Muse (surging aura get) - three five-level prestige classes to refine elements of the Wilder class, new feats including [Surge] feats that offer alternate uses for wild surge, and new powers with a new kind of augment. These Surge Augments get tacked on for free if you Wild Surge while using the power, giving Wilders an edge with them that other psionicists don't get.

We're intending on back-porting Surge Augments to existing powers, we just haven't had the chance yet.

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>>43864366
When you get a subscription you get the in-progress releases and the final PDF. So, for instance, the PoW: E subscription includes Harbinger, Mystic, Zealot, Supplemental, and then finally Path of War: Expanded. Its lets you play with the content as it comes out and gives an overall discount on its acquisition.

>>43863906
>that grammar
>it hurts

>..., a mimiquin can attempt to copy a creature's action that it has seen by making a Perception check at DC 13+HD of the creature who performed the action.

>This single-use copied action can be saved for up to 24 hours. If a new action is copied before the last one is expended, it replaces the old action.

24 hours because copying a crit or wish and holding it until whenever is not actually cool at all.

>>43864328
He literally just does whatever the devils tell him without question.
He could be reading a bedtime story to a kid and if one of his contractors told him to cave the kids face in he would do it right that second, without a hint of remorse.

>>43864315
wilders: new inverse void-wilder, surging muse (wilder that grants its AC bonus to others instead; better surging aura; instead of surge blast, gets to add Charisma to allies' attacks as force damage), lots of wilder and/or metapsionic feats, a handful of normal psionic feats, a handful of prestige classes for wilders, about a dozen new cool powers.

seventh path: archetypes for the psionic classes (two for psywar) that relate to spirits/ghostness/haunting, a new psion devotion (conduit) to go with the new psionic discipline (athanatism), some prestige class archetypes that work with a bunch of new powers (enough to make up a psionic discipline); a handful of extra powers for most base class power lists.

>>43864394
But, is that like, recurring costs, or up-front?

And how does it handle the stuff that's already released?

>>43863570
I'd hit that.

>>43864420
Up front. If you enter an in-progress subscription (again, like PoW: E) you get it all. Once the final book is released the sub is no longer offered for new sales.

>>43864413
That's... not how LE works, dude.

>>43864435
>DSP d20 with DSP logo
>looks awesome
>$7 hurts my heart

>>43864415
The wilder thing seems neat. How are the character options in both? competitive I assume? Well written and balanced?

>>43864435
Got it. PoWE Subscription will be one of my definite purchases then.

>>43863970
FATE Core, generally. My group is a fan of both it and 3.5, and high-power 3.x tends towards freeform with quick bursts of combat, so it's not like it's hard to adapt.

>>43863984
>One of the few games with worse mechanics than PF and 3.5