/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls General

We can all agree that Ebony Warrior doesn't have a place in lore; he's purely a game-specific challenge put by the developers to incite players to keep leveling up, right?

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>>43539911

upon translating the scrolls in Morrowind, does the words "The ninth barrier cannot exist!" relates to Talos or is it just purely an inside joke like "Where's the money in that?"

>>43540007
No.

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>>43539911
Sovngarde awaits!

>>43540098
Damn son, even the Nordic after-life is taking in refugees. How much more progressive can you be?!

>>43540098
I don't want to go to the moons, I want to visit Kyne

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>So Jobasha does not fear. All "et'Ada" have laws, customs, weakness. Even if they "cannot be spelled, pronounced, ennumerated in the Mundus" (and there is another weakness of the Elven Lie).

>"The Dragon is bound with noble sighs.
>The Serpent is bound with shifting tones.
>The Sun is bound with metal flames.
>The Earth is bound with secret knots."
>-- The Soft Doctrines of Magnus Invisible

>But perhaps Jobasha should give an even more famous example:

>"Daedroth, do you keep the faith?"
>"Bide, and we abide. Turn, and we return."

>Who knows, survives.
What is this?

>>43540098
Does this guy look half Nord to you?

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>>43540225
[Moth trigger triggered]

>>43540225
To be fair, race mixing is kinda weird in elder scrolls. Children of mixed race unions take heavily after the mother, with a few traits from the fathers race.

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>>43540205
I don't know where this is from but if this Jobasha is the same Jobasha that runs a shop in Vivec City, I'd say this reminds me of what they call "Thjizzrini". The Khajiit have no feeling of obligation to mundane rules and laws, they are concerned with the "whole" and not with how individual constituent parts move or must move. The "Elven lie" might be his way of calling out the Tamrielic pantheon of Aedra as gods, creators and founders of reality, instead of Doom Drum. Plus, it makes sense since somehow, this pantheon empowers only those who have created it whereas those who choose not to partake in it are called heretics or at best, beasts ignorant of truth.

Daedra worship, or at least reverence, should be quite normal for Khajiit in the 3rd Era since everybody has a somewhat clear idea of who Azura is, especially more cultured folk like Jobasha. Daedra worship is ostracized by the Elven Liars since it takes away the right of distributing "truth" away from them and gives it back to the individuals.

If you know what's good for you, and if you know better than to abide by silly concepts such as mundane law, you'll challenge the rule-makers by choosing to disbelieve the illusion of safety: if you give yourself freely to the Lie and the Liars, you have no choice but to be their property, but if you try to reclaim your right to yourself by trafficking with those who offer knowledge, Princes in this case, you will at least be sure that you freely chose to take the risk of being someone else's property.

Or maybe I'm a huge SJW for Daedra worshippers

>>43540225
no he does not

>>43540408
>the Bosmer will never be cvcked out of existence

>>43540475
Nice portrait of Sermon 17, I would love a comic about the Tribunal and Hortator.

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>>43540563
It was a funky time.

>>43540740
*times

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>>43540763
But that wasn't particularly funky, anon.

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Friendly reminder that the Zone is a thing.

>>43540874
What

>>43539911
>>43540098
>>43540124
>>43540225
Race doesn't matter. He can shout, so maybe he's Dragonborn. If he fights like a Nord, lives a Nordic life style what does it matter?

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>>43540962
Halls of the Colossus son.

>>43540553
We can do that. We need an army of sexually starved women willing to take some Wood Elf dick. I'm sure there's ton of widows from the Great War and the Skyrim Civil War, and daughters who became sluts who want to get a family after all of their families died from the wars.

>>43541001
Anybody can shout, it just takes years of practice to do it. Ulfric can shout but isn't dragonborn.

>>43541049
Fucking altmer tokl

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>>43539797
He's a an Avatar of Ebonarm sent to test the LDB. Hence why he's a Redguard clad in ebony, and the shouting and cloak spells are just an approximation of Shehai. Dyh
/the ending of the thread is Almsivi

>>43541093
THIS SERMON IS FORBIDDEN.

>>43541151
Make like Barfok and suck my grey and yellow dick s'wit.

Sermon 9 has always been my favorite, though I'm not sure why

I have a question on the dragon variations.
So there's your vanilla standard issue dragon. Forget that, let me make a rank list based on power.
0: Skeletal Dragon
1: Dragon
2: Blood Dragon
3: Frost Dragon
4: Elder Dragon
5: Ancient Dragon
6: Serpentine Dragon
7: Revered Dragon
8: Legendary Dragon
What's the fluff difference though. Why are Blood Dragons called Blood Dragons? I can get that Elder Dragons being called that if they're older than most dragons, but why are Revered Dragons and Legendary Dragons more stronk than Ancient Dragons? Wouldn't an Ancient Dragon be revered and legendary by default? Am I overthinking game mechcanics or what? If Alduin is the first dragon, would Legendary Dragons be the next batch born?

Also, how does Akatosh make dragons? Does he spit and say "become dragon, spit"?

>>43540962
>Fuckhuge stone city built by a civilization of Giants in the merenthic era
>Giants disappear, place is abandoned
>Used by Tiber in the 3rd era to store the Numidium on its way to Summerset
>He activated it there to see if it worked and it caused the surrounding land to be polluted by toxic magic waste
>Jagar Tharn stores part of the staff of chaos there, because no one would be crazy enough to look for it in an irradiated maze with mutants and other freaks crawling around the place.

>>43541203
>What's the fluff difference though
There is none. Bethesda just needed something to denote power levels so dragon difficulty would scale with the player.

Also, dragons are "made" by Akatosh per say, they are all just miniscule fragments of the Aka-Tusk, which extended to Akatosh in particular due to the Dance of the Selectives

Also Skeleton Dragons are just normal skeletons, but using Dragon bones instead of mortal bones. Said skeletal dragons may have either invested thier soul into a Dragon Priest, got their bones animated after another Dovahkiin ate their soul, or the Dragon learned himself a form of necromancy (like Dhurnivir) and put a fallback on his body.

Or Hoaga or some other Tongue did it with his Mud-mouth Thu'um and filled them with dirt to reanimate.

>>43541291
what place?

>>43541367
The Halls of the Colossus.

>>43541367
The Halls of the Colossus

>>43541348
>There is none
Thanks, Anon. I was just checking.
>Aka-Tusk
What?

>>43541367
The Halls of the Colossus.

>>43541392
Thanks.

>>43541398
Thanks.

>>43541410
Thanks.

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>>43541399
>He doesn't know about Aka-Tusk.
This is going to take a while. You might want to get a snack.

What is mysticism?

>>43541486
The study of the unknown, of the aether, and of the principles of magic as applied to the natural world.

>>43541484
>This is going to take a while. You might want to get a snack
I am slightly hungry. I better get that snack.

>>43541399
>he doesn't know of the Sundering of Aka-Tusk during the Convention
>he doesn't know the Interplay of Lorkhan and Aka to emulate the first Convention
>does doesn't know of the forming of Auriel, Akatosh, Alduin, Peryite, and the other Akas
>he has never danced around the pillar of the Selectives to form the Middle Dawn and the further breaking and separation of the Dragon by Maruhk and the Alessian Order

CHIM CHIM Charoo, we'd common for you

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>>43541484

Why does TES have such a convoluted and rich lore for a game series about Jesus of the Week killing Satan Mk.XI ever hundred years?

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>>43541536

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>>43541554

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>>43541544
MK.

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>>43541554

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>>43541575
>>43541583

>>43541600
Does that mean that Hiroshimoot has mantled Moot?

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>>43541612
An Hiro was always moot.

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>>43541621
>Moot is the Godhead and An Hiro succeeded in Amaranth

>>43541534
I'm rusty with the lore. So based on >>43541484
Akatosh and Lorkhan were in the same heart, and the amulet of kings is a soul gem for Dragonborns. That's I've gathered so far and I suspect there's more.

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>>43541631

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>>43541655
>>43541649
Not a soulgem

>>43541677
Sorry for the wrongness. Time to look at all of these screenshots so I can understand Elder Scrolls lore more.

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>>43541677

>>43541649
>Akatosh and Lorkhan were in the same heart
Not quite. Lorkhan trapped his soul into Aka-Tusk's, making them one and mimicking Anu and Padhome. While you are technically right about the Amulet, the the reason why all the emperors are Dragonborn is because Aka makes you DB as part of your covenant with him. Also it's less of the actual "souls" and more of the memories accumulated.
It also works as the control core for the Artificial Ada (robot-shezzarine) Pelinel Whitestrake since he came from the sci-fi future of the Middle Dawn AU where Reman became the baddest mofo Space Emperor ever, until the dance of the Selectives ended.

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>>43541698

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>>43541698
'S cool, when it comes to TES lore, everyone's incorrect most of the time

>>43540098
Well technically, as long as he actually believe that he's going to sovnegarde when he dies he will go to sovnegarde.

People forget the whole dreaming thing of souls and people in tes.

>>43541775
And that Sovngarde isn't in Aetherius.
Where did they get that in the first place anyway?

>>43541741
Okay. So it's a book that lets you see the memories of your relatives in a way? >>43541771
Thanks, Anon. I just got done with >>43541536
So Akatosh, Talos, Lorkhan, the Last Dragon Born and Sithis is sort of all the same person?

>>43541785
Like how the khajit colonized the moon, they dreamed themselves it trough drug induced half-sleep hallucination.

>>43541743
On my phone. I'm guessing that's a library?

>>43541795
>relatives
Not all the emperors are relatives anon, and the Covenant of Akatosh can be extended to any that are seen worthy and are chosen by the Amulet. Heck, Hjalti has no relations to the previous Empires, and his direct line ended only a few generation later.

Plus on of the most beloved of the emperors of the Septim Dynasty was a Dunmeri woman, and the next heir was her son via her Breton consort

First for how do you pronounce "Hlaalu"?

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>>43541877
With your mouth.

>>43541877
https://madokami.com/yj4ylq.mp3
Source: Tribunal.

>>43541853
My bad. Mind's going a little crazy here.

>>43541677
So according to this... are the stars on the farthest circle (atronach,thief etc) also some kind of gods?
Is it explained somewhere?

>>43542146
Stars are just holes in the universe where Magnus and the Magna-Ge escaped out of Mundus from and back into Aetherius.

>>43542189
Fuck
This is more complicated than Bionicle lore

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>>43542244
Mata Nui got nuthin'

are there any books that have elder scrolls lore stuff or is it all online

>>43542421
There's the actual ingane books, if you know where to look. Also the Pocket Guide to the Empire that came with TESII: Hammerfell. The rest is on the UESP wiki, or Imperial Library

>>43542421
Most of it is in-game, and the rest, including most of the deepest lore is just drug-addled, barely-canon shitposts by MK.

>>43542456
Daggerfall, not Hammerfell.

>>43542421
http://imperial-library.info

>>43542530
>>43542456
Both are wrong, its Redguard

So I'm going to sum up everything I've learned. I'm probably going to get everything all wrong. Come CHIM or madness, I'm going to do it anyway. Lorkhan betrayed Aka and took his heart, said heart fused with his, and when it was taken out it allowed creation to be a thing. Aka was broken into eight pieces but all the same person. Talos is Lorkhan but is also Akatosh, and Lorkhan is also Sithis. The Grey Beards told Talos to remember the color of betrayal referring to his betrayal of himself as Lorkhan when he betrayed Aka. Talos is the mightiest being in existence. The Last Dragonborn is an aspect of Talos and Lorkhan. Miraak wanted to create a new world where he can mantle the All-Maker. Am I going good so far? The Convention will happen again when the world ends, and the same gods will return to their original forms. I got that right? A new world will be born just so Alduin can destroy it when the time is right just so another new world can be born and he'll rinse and repeat. Would he be around for the new world? Also the Last Dragonborn is fighting against himself(Alduin) because he's a fragment of a schizophrenic god.

>>43540475
I thought elves worshiped their ancestors?

>>43542703
>eight pieces
Incorrect, though not your fault.
Unknown how many pieces Aka broke into, the image(S) just used 8 because 8 is a thing that occurs semi-often

>>43542703
Sorry mate, but no. Most of that aside from the Miraak bit is wrong. Though you are getting closer.

>>43542801
Dang it. So everything else was correct-ish more or less?

>>43542819
Progress. I am making progress.

>>43542774
That's just the Dunmer.

>>43542846
I would give you better critique, but I'm on phone. All il say is to first study >>43541575
And make your way from there

If you were dropped into the Imperial city, race of your choosing, with all your knowledge of the cosmology/magic/history of the world you have now, how would you go about impacting the setting?

>>43542997
Well, considering I know things which shouldn't be known, and I just invaded the Godhead's dream, I'd probably either Zero-Sum, Amaranth, become a Dagoth-esque dream zombie (do my head would probably explode with enlightenment) or get forcibly ejected from the dream as soon as I arrive

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>>43543052
>Dark Phantom Casu-el has invaded

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>>43542703
>Talos is Lorkhan but is also Akatosh, and Lorkhan is also Sithis
In as much, say, Rei III is LILITH in NGE, though not an accurate comparison.
>The Last Dragonborn is an aspect of Talos and Lorkhan
One by being a Shezzarine and one by being a Dragonborn (correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm fairly certain I am)
>The Convention will happen again when the world ends
This particular end of the world you're referring to is when Alduin eats the world literally, and resets the Kalpa into the Convention, yes.
The gods will differ, though.
Like Herma-Mora or Dagon, forget which, wasn't one in the last Kalpa.
>A new world will be born just so Alduin can destroy it when the time is right just so another new world can be born and he'll rinse and repeat.
Actually he was supposed to eat it already, but because it's the Last Kalpa he decided fuck that and ruled over men. Them he got shunted forward in time, and LDB (who is the LAST Dragonborn because self-fulfilling prophecy) kicked his arse. That caused Alduin to go and rejoin Akatosh (because Akatosh > LDB) and thus making this the Last Kalpa.
>Would he be around for the new world?
Yeah, he are Nirn in the previous Kalpas because that's his thing.

There's another "end of the world" thing, but that's CODA stuff and people complain about it.

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>>43543124
>that pic

>>43543124
So how's Akatosh going to treat Alduin now? Simply absorb him or punish him and let him go with orders to not fool around, and get to work on eating the world like a demented Pac Man?

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>>43540225
>>43541001
>Be Redguard.
>Father was a Nord.
>Mother was a Redguard.
>Mother dies during childbirth.
>Raised by father in the art of war and combat, and proud Nordic tradition and Honor.
>Never feel right, will never be a true Nord like my dad.
>Assures me that sometimes even another race can be born with a Nord's heart.
>Father passes away in Glorious combat.
>Surely his soul is in Sovengard.
>Need to see him, the only one who really believed in me.
>Become the Ebony Warrior.
>I will die a death good enough to be the Nord I was meant to be, for I died long ago.

>>43543266
Supposedly, Alduin is on extended time out for being a lazy jerk and abusing his time on Nirn. When Aka needs him, he'll let him out of time out

>>43543307
So when will that be? If the world becomes grimdark enough that an apocalypse could be the only merciful thing to do?

>>43543304
I can dig it.

>>43542864
And Altmer, even if Deadra worship is becoming increasingly prevalent in the Summurset Isles.
And Bosmer, who worship Y'ffre.

>>43543342
All Kalpas end after a certain amount of time. Supposedly either Lorkhan or Magnus programmed it into the main central processor of Nirn

>>43543385
With certain things heralding it's getting close to the end?

>>43543413
Yep.
>This computer will shutdown in 3... 2... 1...

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>>43542997
>Be me
>Sucked into Mundus by forces unkown
>Plop into where the Imperial City is to be
>Through my knowledge achieve CHiM and alter my body to the point of non-corporeal existence
>Bound into this world only by my armor
>Fuck around, being immortal and shit
>Occasionally interfere with mortals under a new alias each time
>Fuckers always find a way to get me mad though
>Level mountains and burn forests as a punishment
>Befriend the nicest dude i will ever know in the process
>Hear of this one chick being abused by her boyfriends
>What the heck, might as well have some genocidal fun
>MurderousRamapage.jpg
>Boyfriend becomes a pussy and makes a deal with the devil
>Sends his minions on my while he just sits there
>Tires as fuck
>Picks a fight with me, but still loses
>His goons pick me apart
>Here i am now, shitting around as a spirit, waiting for somebody to finish my job
>See what is going on down in the material world
>People worship me, a murderous cyborg-thing from time beyond their's as a champion
>MFW

>>43542997
This.
>>43543052
If I could become a god, I'd probably just try and make life better for everyone. Be a god of peace or fertility or something, and just help people, especially the races and individuals I specifically like.

>>43542997
Nord, and try to achieve CHIM. See what's the worst I could possibly do after becoming a god. Then do a list that will be added on as I go on.
1: Kill Maven Black Briar.
2: Have tea with Parathnax.
3: Kill Thalmor
4: Find a way to do #1&4 at the same time.
5: Fix Winterhold.
6: Take a a guise of an aspect of the Nine Divines and preach a creed in Skyrim that involves ending any Civil War resentments, restarting the Knights of the Nine, and a core tenant of the creed is Thalmor and Foresworn murder is great Justice.
7: Create a 4chan for mages.
8: Send Nazeem to the clouds and ask him "Do you get to the clouds often? Of course not, gravity hates you". Think of something better as he falls to the ground.
9: Fix the Falmer. Maybe turn them into an Elven Übermensch for laughs and giggles. Blame their misfortune on time traveling Thalmor. Watch Thalmor die.
10: Question how morally questionable it is to open a shop selling captured Thalmor as pets with an aminal mindset.
11: Wonder how many parents are going to complain about their kids walking elves that act like dogs.

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>>43543858
>Skryim

>>43544011
How's Namek?

>>43544011
The place needs cleaning. After that involves fooling around in the Black Marshes. I

>>43542997
>how would you go about impacting the setting
I wouldn't.
When it comes to race, I'd be a Dunmer, so that I can study magic, live long and chill out.
I'd not stretch beyond my abilities or do anything ambitious or stupid, just live a comfy wizard life.
Once I've established myself, I'd probably want to travel to exotic places. See Red Mountain, go on a pilgrimage to High Hrothgar, visit Necrom, and study in the Temple of the Two Moons Dance.

>>43542997
Make silly powerful enchanted items and kill all of the altmer.

list your favourite mods GO!

>>43544512
tamriel rebuilt
SSE
realistic horse genitalia

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>>43544512
This is not a thread about videogames.

>>43544512
NOT
GEARS

>>43544512
Trainwiz for maximum lore

Does anyone have any tips or advice for running UESRPG? I'm new to the system and hoping to run a game soon, but I'm not sure what encounters are appropriate for a new party.

>>43544773
Altmer scum, murderstabs murderstabs

>>43543858
>4: Find a way to do #1&4 at the same time.
You just zero-summed.

>>43544595
ablabakakbaa

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>>43540874
>halls of colossus
How appropriate. That place is my next goal, as soon as I get done sidequesting.

Will there be a historical supplement of some kind for stuff like Shehai Shen She Ru, Voice, Shadowscales, PSJJJ, etc for UESRPG?

>>43544915
that seems reasonable

>>43543858
You understand if you upset the world you'll immediately zero sum, CHIM or no CHIM, right?

CHIM is not godhood.

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>>43544948
It sure does

>>43544512
Everything Trainwiz did except that one with the cliffracers
Forbidden Magic
Cutting Room Floor
BooksBooksBooks
Wyrmstooth
Falskaar

>>43545333
What did he do with the Cliff Racers?

>>43545352
You don't want to know. Trust me, you'll get nightmares.

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>>43545352

>>43545352
You don't need to know.

>>43545390
He has a small as fuck head. Huh.

Also, on semi-related note, just popped open UESRPG for the first time and realised it was a d100 system.
Almost threw my phone out of the window, scared the shit out of me.

>>43545352
this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rXsrZRchQ

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>>43545385
>>43545390
>>43545399
>MFW
Anons, now I want to know more. I've never played Morrowind before, but I have heard how bad cliff racers are. On a scale of one to "holy Nine Divines why? What crime have I committed to deserve this damnation?!" ten, what is it?

>>43545429
You were scared by the prospect of rolling 1d100?

>>43544512
The one that adds loads of creatures but isn't Dogtown's, because I only really want the Triceratops from that. Fuck lore, I want dinosaurs

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>>43545455
This. He pretty much did this.

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>>43545446
>>43545490
Now I'm going to watch the video.

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>>43545500
Do so at your own risk.

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>>43545460
More that I find d% systems utterly repulsive.
I blame that my first foray to tRPGs was Dark Heresy.

>>43545554
I'm not sure why you don't like DH, but UESRPG is based heavily on it

>>43545489
Clannfears.

>>43545554
Is it wrong that I utterly love that game?
Valdis Story underrated as fuck.

>>43545489
Clanfears. Daedeoths. Some depictions of Molag Bal. Gaur. Kathagorihoweverthefuckyouspellit.

>>43545581
Have you played un-errata'd, core-only DH 1e?
Also, considering that it was the first tRPG I'd played and no one in the group was that keen on explaining stuff.
Ergh.

>>43545536
Every time a cliff racer dies two more takes its place. That's some grade A Molag Bal and Vaermina approved nightmare fuel there. Why would anyone create a mod such as that?

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>>43545649
We're talking about the guy who brought us pic related.

>>43545649
Seems more like Sheogorath style of torture. Molag is way too direct to come up with something like that and Vaermina is more geared towards visual horror.

Anyone know of any Miniatures companies that make NOT-TES miniatures?

>>43546097
Unfortunately it seems to be not a thing.

Too busy ripping off GW/LotR still.

>>43546015
Looks like something out of Jojo or Agame Ga Kill.
>>43546059
The racers would turn to cheese or be made out of cheese. I can see what you mean on Bal, but Lord of Domination. He dominates you with Cliff Racers.
>visual horror
>implying that wouldn't be visual horror

>>43546059
This.

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/r/ing more elder scrolls lore/conspiracy caps
can't get enough of that shit

Social Stigma (*): 20 CrP The character suffers from a stigma * (chosen when the trait is gained) in certain social situations. They suffer a -10 penalty to socially related tests in these situations. The character may have multiple instances of this trait for different stigmas *.

What's with the asterisks?

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>>43546390
What kinda lore you wan senpai?

Ok, so just to be clear: in Skyrim I'm Dragonborn, killing Alduin, who is myself, then I go on to Solstheim to stop Miraak, who is also myself from awakening/becoming some sort of Super-Aka-Tusk (who is also myself), while being guided by the Skraals All-maker, who is also myself. All while being the Listener of myself, because I'm also Sithis. Oh, and in Dawnguard I get Auriel's bow which is in fact getting back my bow, because I'm also Auriel.
Is this correct?
Is there more?

>>43546662
You're not Sithis. You're being manipulated by Mephala.

>>43546097
God damnit.

>>43546662
See the Rei III & LILITH comparison from precious post.
Technically in some faroff way, sure, why not.
But really no.

>>43546685
But if Sithis is Lorkhan who is Aka-Tusk who is Akatosh who is me then am I not Sithis? Or did the anons above lie to me?

>>43546712
Well, yeah technically a scisophrenic alter-ego slaughtering other alter-egos while being guided by yet another alter-egos but that's not AS fun.

>Who is Ebonarm
He's Reman. Their names even sound the same.

I remember that someone said that there was a book in Daggerfall that was about a peasant getting his intelligence boosted until he could bend reality. Does someone have it?

>>43547121
The Real Barenziah, Part III.

>>43546812
Lorkhan is not Sithis. Sithis does not really exist, he's just Anu's memory of Padhome manifesting as the concept of Void, Nothingness, and Oblivion

Lorkhan is tangentially connected to Sithis, because he is a Padhomic, and one of the most powerful Padhomics, whereas Aka-Tusk is Anu's self-insert into the dream, and as such is one of the most powerful of the Anuics.

Lorkhan ripped his soul out of his heart, and bound it inside Aka's soul when he wasn't looking. Aka Splintered after Convention due to him and the other Aedra getting depowered to power Nirn, and Alduin is one of those splinters.

Akatosh, one of the other splinters and the largest one, empowers the Dovahkiin by inserting a piece of his soul into him, and the Dovahkiin is also an Avatar of Lorkhan by virtue of being a Shezzarine, so within the LDB both Aka and Lorkhan are one.

Sithis, by virtue of being the reflection of Padhome in Anu's dream, is usually seen as the source of most all the Padhomic entities, but he himself does not really exist save in theory. Hence your confusion.

Really, the whole Schizophrenia metaphor is horrible and you shouldn't pay any attention to it. It's more like one God fusing himself into another God, causing the previous God to shatter into smaller Gods.

>>43546170
Shit, nothing really close at all?

>>43547296
>so within the LDB both Aka and Lorkhan are one.
Funny, last thing that did this was TalOS

>>43547421
Talos had the advantage of having Two incredibly powerful shezzarines and a Dovahkiin, all of which had exposure to the Numidium, and one of which was directly exposed to the Heart of Lorkhan, and they were all able to get together and emulate Interplay.

The closest the LDB gets is through defeating Miraak and taking his soul, and even then he is is still missing 1/3 of the Interplay and the most exposure he's gotten to Lorkhan is via Tsun and Sovengard.

The only way he can get close is if he where to somehow slay and consume Herma-Mora as well, then he could possibly mantle Aka due to his exposure to both Alduin and the artifacts of Auriel

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>>43546553
sorry, took a hard nap
Anything really. I love TES lore but I only know the surface stuff because I was one of those people who never read any of the in-game books. Y'know- stupid people.

>>43547752
>Dat Strong Nord Woman

Oh my.

So apparently TESO is going to have a giant war between daedric princes, taking place in the Clockwork City.

So, does anyone actually understand all this stuff or is it just vast assumptions?

>want to come up with homebrew RPG system
>I can only think of something that's basically TESIII's system of skills and attributes
Is this bad, or was TESIII good enough for me to largely parrot it?

>>43547590
Is possible to mantle Alduin?

>>43542997
Altmer or Breton.
>Reach godhood through CHIM and Heart of Lorkhan.
>Slowly bring Magitech back, to at least a 2000's level of Tech.
>Promote peace between the races to delay the inevitable.
>Try to bring an era of peace to all of Tamriel.
>Eradicate Sload.
>Promote magic in everyday life.
>Crash Jubal-Sul's part
>Get wasted.
>Wake up next to The Hist.
>Cry a little.

>>43547924
>Clockwork City's DLC plot involves you dragging Sotha Sil out of his basement so he can tell the kids playing on his lawn to go away

>>43547924
!?

>>43547964
Eat everything.
>>43547121
Morrowind. Fortifies his intelligence to mathematically disprove somebody's existence.
http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Four_Suitors_of_Benitah

>>43547964
Perhaps, but I'd imagine the requisites would be rather difficult to go through, especially for a mortal.

>>43547960
Skills and attributes don't come from Morrowind. You should probably familiarise yourself with more rpgs before trying to design your own.

>>43548010
>>43548015
I like to think of it was possible to absorb Alduin's soul LDB mantling him could be a thing. So that would mean somewhere later on in life you become the bringer of the end.

>>43548021
I mean more or less the exact system in Morrowind, with the same attributes etc. just with minor changes

>>43547977
End of the Orsinium DLC, daedra appear and tell you there's gonna be a big war in Sotha Sil.

>>43548063
No, that's not how it works.
You ARE Akatosh. At least in soul. Akatosh is split into many beings that won't rejoin.

>>43547964
I'll mantle whatever the fuck I want

Can you mantle the Dwemer? Let's fucking try

>>43548136
Sounds like something Sotha tried, and somewhat succeeded in by creating Memory, though she's more of a Mantling of Nir.

>>43548094
too many dlc and too expensive

>>43548124
>>43548136
I'm sorry. I feel like an idiot now. So how does mantling really work so I won't be an idiot in the future? How did the champion of Cyrodyil manage to do to Sherogorth?

>>43548161
Sotha Sil was probably as far from the dwemer as you can get. He went the opposite, researching and loving the world that was made, rather than seeking to leave it behind.
Probably why he never achieved CHIM or otherwise. If Nirn was a cage, the dwemer were whiny bitches that kept trying to rock the cage, people like Talos and Vivec decided to try and unlock the cage and show people out, and Sotha Sil was like "Damn this cage is really well put together" and decided to start researching cage-building.

>>43548246
From my understanding, Mantling is essentially taking over the role of/replacing some important figure/god/concept. You're not necessarily ACTUALLY this thing, but for all intents and purposes, you are.

I've heard that in Morrowind, you're not necessarily an actual re-incarnation of Indoril Nevervar, but you Mantled him and that's why Dagoth Ur calls you Nerevar.

>>43548329
So you're a stand in while the actual thing is on lunch break?

>>43542997
I'm not a big loremaster like people in this thread
being slightly aware of the dream wouldn't zero sum me right?

>>43548346
No, the actual thing is gone, you're the replacement. I think it's almost always a forceful replacement.

Another instance is the Shivering Isles DLC. The Champion of Cyrodiil mantled Sheogorath because Jyggalag was coming back and Sheo didn't want this to happen (twist: Sheo IS Jyg, other Daedra turnd Jyg into Sheo way back in the day) so you went through some mythic bullshit and essentially took Sheo's place, so now Sheo (You) and Jyg (Old Sheo) exist.

>>43548246
If you become so much like somebody, that the godhead confuses the two of you for the same person, or "good enough." to play that role.
Sheogorath lets you take his position as the Prince of Madness, you get the can and outfit, and everything. You are now Sheogorath and he is you.
You defeat Umaril and wear Pelinel's Divine futuristic armor. You are now so much like him, that you are him, or at least you're good enough of a replacement.
Since both of these people are you, they are now each other. That's why Pelinel is insane.

>>43548398
Define slightly.

>>43548346
Imagine reality is a doorman who is waiting for a celebrity he has never seen before to come. All the doorman has is a checklist of unique features describing this celebrity. He knows the celebrity has purple eyes, a roman nose, brown hair, and wears a leather jacket.

If a random pedestrian who meets all those criteria is walking by, the doorman could easily mistake them for that celebrity.

Replace pedestrian with Mantler, celebrity with Mantle, and doorman with reality.

>>43548094
>and tell you there's gonna be a big war in Sotha Sil.
This will be rather embarrassing when their DLC won't even be 1/3rd as big/good as yours.

>>43548446
basically this webm >>43541743

>>43548487
I just hope they undwemer Sotha Sil's city, it's just a big dwemer dungeon right now.

>>43548414
Will Jyg be brought up again?
>>43548422
So identity theft in a way?
>>43548470
I'm getting it now.

While we are at mantling, did I get it wrong or is Mannimarco mantling himself?

>>43548470
Has Natalie Portman mantled Keira Knightley?

>>43548536
Imagine you cosplayed someone SO HARD you became them.

That's Mantling.

>>43548586
How do you mantle yourself?
>>43548651
>cosplaying so hard you become them
Kek. It all makes sense now.

>>43548665
Well due to the warp in the west Mannimarco kinda ascended to godhood but also did not. Mannimarco, the King of Worms stayed on Nirn while Mannimarco, the Necromancers' Moon now orbits Arkay

>>43548697
So he's trying to assume the identity of the the God version of himself?

>>43548720
That's how I understood it. But I'm not sure if I am right, I'm not a loremaster.

>>43548737
I'd imagine it being the case.

>>43541367
The Halls of the Colossus

>>43548697
That must have been a real kick in the dick. Imagine achieving the impossible and becoming a god! Except now there is two of you and you're the mortal one, so you get to watch the god version of you go off and do all the things you wanted to do.

>>43549117
Actually the God version is mindless but has all the power while the mortal version is the mind but lost most of the power.
So it's actually kinda worse.

>>43548665
>>43548586
By definition, you cannot mantle yourself.

>>43549227
There are two Mannimarcos however

>>43548513
I don't really know. Some scholars are at least somewhat aware of the nature of the dream, so probably not.

>>43549242
Yes, one is a Lich, one is a God. They are the two different result of the Daggerfall endings. Since all the endings of Daggerfall are both true and false, they both are true in the same sense as Schrodinger's Cat.
No mantling.

>>43549309
Wouldn't the Godhead confuse them with each other? They are still the same being right?

>>43549309
Fucking Daggerfall.

>>43549420
No, the Dragonbreak separates them because Numiduim fucks up time.
Yes/No.

>>43549450
It's a pretty good game. Got a whole lot of the lore rolling, especially a very vague hint at The Dichotomy.

>>43549537
I just got it for free from GoG. How do I into daggerfall? The controls are really annoying right now.

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>Really liked all the previous Elder Scrolls games, when they were released, except Oblivion.
>Skipped Skyrim because Oblivion was that bad and the reviewers and friends were using the same phrases to describe Skyrim.
>Finally picked Skyrim w/DLC packaged up a few days ago.
>It's motherfucking amazing.
>Wear bear, kill werebear.
>Ride dragon, remove Imperial kebab.
>Yell fuckers to ash.
>Give no shits.

>>43547399
You can put together humans out of a mix of the more mundane looking fantasy stuff and historical ranges, and get plenty of wizard types that'll look fitting, but getting things to match the beast races or short wood elves or the more notable armour types like daedric (without it being covered in skulls and shit), Dwemer (especially Morrowind's), and especially any of the Dunmer styles of light/medium armour, yeah nah you're fucked.

>>43549643
>Remove Imperial kebab
>lel happy Thalmor.jpeg

>>43549611
It takes a lot of getting used to and a different mindset. Older videogames are a lot different from new videogames.

>>43549611
Switch it from Arena shitty right-click swing to Morrowind+ style FPS mode in the options menu. It feels so much better.

When you get out of the starting dungeon, you should get some sort of letter saying to meet somebody somewhere by some date. DO IT. If you miss the meeting, the woman will leave and you'll have to blunder about until you run into the main quest, and since Daggerfall is massive, that'll take some time.

>>43549720
Daggerfall plays pretty similarly to Morrowind if you set it up right.

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answering a question from previous thread:
varliance
i guess it is an energy from stars stored in varla stones. so 'axes and arrows wrought with long varliance' would be weapons with powerful enchantments

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>>43549643
>remove Imperial kebab.
>Imperial
>kebab
Romans aren't kebab buddy.

>>43549896
>Romans aren't kebab
Eastern Roman Empire still counts as Roman.

>>43549927
But Nibanese is the best type of Imperial.

>>43549896
>>43549643
>Not knowing that Khajiit is Kebab.
Shit, son. What are you doing?

>>43550144
No, no, Khajiit is not kebab,but Khajiit can sell you kebab for exceptional price of only twelve septims, guaranteed internal parasite-free!

>>43550355
Cut-Me-Own-Tail Di'Blar?

>>43550410
Khajiit's wares are a truly magnificent bargain, and that is shaving Khajiit's own fur!

>>43549927
>Eastern Roman Empire still counts as Roman.
Romans aren't kebab, kebab comes to the Eastern Roman Empire and destroys it then kebabifies the land that used to be Roman.

>>43550355
Literal kebab. Redguards are a close second for Kebab of TES.

>>43544915
>a historical supplement

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, but for what it's worth the Arcane Arts supplement already contains rules for Shehai Shen She Ru and the Thu'um.

>>43550144
Moose

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>Mfw Illusion is the best school of magic.

>>43551994
>mfw Illusion won't stop a sneaky archer

>>43552100
But it would definitely help one.

>>43552100
Mysticism will though.

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>>43551994
>mfw alteration is best school of magic
>mfw breathing underwater
>mfw spitting fire
>mfw walking on air
>mfw forming a crater in the earth
>mfw TES avatar

>>43552232
>Spitting fire
>Forming crater
U wat, m8?

>>43552253
> Spells in this school change the world around the caster so normal physical truths no longer hold
>http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alteration

>>43552232
Most of that would be destruction. The fire and crater I mean.

Any good racial slurs for the various races and cultures?

Bretons and Forsworn specifically.

>>43552298
Argonians and Khajits are called lizards and cats respectively. Dark Elves greys I think. Brentons? No clue.

>>43552298
>bretons
mudblood
half-breed

>forsworn
bone-picker
spear chucker

>>43548010
>http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Four_Suitors_of_Benitah
>that ending
I had a hearty chuckle

>>43552274
Read this.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Response_to_Bero's_Speech

>>43552583
It is by far one of my favorites. If you liked it, you might like this one as well.
http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Silence_%28book%29

>>43552232
Alteration is fuckin sick mang, just don't compare it to Korra, it's better than that.

Illusion always felt too underhanded and more powerful than it ought to be. Actual mental effects like calm and fury and rally and stuff, sure, but invisibility and muffle should belong to Alteration, too, if not exclusively. I'd argue that you should be able to alter light or yourself so light bends or passes through you and that the actual sounds made by your footsteps are negated.

Alteration at its root is causing change in the world, it SHOULD be able to do anything, or a lot more than it can.

>>43552645
These are great. It really makes a difference in a game when you have experienced writers

>>43552677
See
>>43552610
Also, the reason Illusion feels bad is because either you're shit with it, or you haven't played Morrowind.

are there any modders here?

I'd like to see someone make the robe this ash ghoul is wearing available to the player
http://images.uesp.net/3/3f/MW-creature-Ash_Ghoul.jpg

should be easy right?

>>43552773
I read Response and I have played Morrowind.

Now, I know Illusion is actually useful in game, but I'm arguing mostly why Invisibility and Muffle are Illusion spells when Alteration at its base description and meaning, ought to be able to create the effect. If I am altering the laws of nature, effectively bending the Earth Bones, why can't I do more with it? Or is it specifically because of that?

Look, I'm no loremaster, I'm just making an argument.

>>43552825
maybe Danke can do it. He made this http://mw.modhistory.com/download-4-15362

Any way to get in contact with him? I'm the same guy who requested the Telvanni Cephalapod armor and i know he's on /tgesg/

>>43552298
>Altmer
Goldenrod (canon)
Piss-skin
>Argonian
Lizard
Tree-fucker
Sap drinker
Pondscum (canon)
Animal
Beast
Really anything involving smelling bad.
>Breton
breton Trash (Canon)
Half-blood
Mongrel
>Bosmer
Treehugger (canon)
Merlet
Imp
Nymph
Savage
Carnivore
>Dunmer
Ashborn (Canon)
Grey
Red-eye
Bug-eater
>Imperial
Imperial Dog (Canon)
Thief
Any joke you could make about Jews
>Khajiit
Cat (canon)
Housecat (canon)
Furlicker (canon)
Fleabag
Animal
Beast
Slave
>Nord
Snowback (canon)
Snowman (canon)
>Orc
Dungheap (canon)
Orc Filth (canon)
>Redguards
Nothing because SJWs would harass anybody who wanted things to be fair.
Jokes about them losing a war.

Most of that is creativity and Oblivion dialogue. I'm sure there's more in Skyrim, but probably not much, and I can't find it anywhere.

>>43553387
sap licker is canon too

>redguard
Obama

>>43553387
>Nord
Something about how they're a race of half-naked alchies and barbarians

>>43553387
lizard is pretty canon if you count that drunk asshole in Riften

>>43552856
Illusion isn't altering light when it's casting invisbility.

it's altering people's perception of you. This is why chameleon is a more powerful effect than invisibility: Instead of simply eliminating their visual perception, you're removing any effects you cause from their total perception as well.

Who /Morrowind/ here? Just about to get started

>>43554460
All of us.

>>43554460
Everyone but you.

>>43554460
Sorry what are you asking exactly?

Are there any Battlespire & Redguard Mods?

>>43554460
Everybody who likes lore and good games.
Magic is amazing. Be sure to have an offensive skill as a major so you don't constantly miss/fail casting.

>>43541203
>Also, how does Akatosh make dragons?

Dracochrysalis. It happened to Alessia and Reman, if you're really bitching then the Gods smack your dying ass upside the head and yells at you HEY YOU WANNA BE A DRAGON IN THE NEXT KALPA? bundles you up in a cocoon and shoves you into Alduin's intestines to be shat out in the next dawn. The dragon priests thought that'd happen to them but who knows if that's going to work out for them.

>>43554569
No.
>>43554666
>>43554460
Devil trips.
Also, keep your fatigue high no matter what. Be sure to take advantage of Alchemy. If you need tips to make things more enjoyable just ask us.

>>43554569
Nope.

>>43554705
Gonna go a melee heavy so I can adjust into the game first, with my major skills being heavy armor, blunt weapons, and a long blade, armorer to repair...that leaves 1 more slot in major, and five more in minor

>>43548246
Basic Elder Scrolls theology is that things aren't exactly things in of themselves but something more like the roles an actor puts on in a play. If the role is put down in some manner usually by the actor dying or having mantled someone else then the vacant role can be picked up by anyone who can play the part.

>>43554666
>>43554705

See, this is why I can't get into morrowind (and oblivion). It wants you to use, like, fourteen different skills or something crazy?

With the class system it wants you to choose everything you'll do right away and have you do a whole bunch of different stuff, but I like only using a few skills per character.

Which sucks because I would really like to get into Morrowind.

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>>43539797
>>43539911
>>43540098
Could the Ebony Warrior beat Gaenor in a fight?

>>43554939
A ham sandwich could beat Gaenor in a fight,

>>43554840
Restoration or Mysticism.

You know you want to.

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>>43554966
say that to my face not online and see what happens fgt

>>43554983
As a major skill? Not bad. Maybe for minor I can choose sneak, marksman, the speech skills, and alchemy? Archery is never a bad idea, especially with a sword and board

>>43554929
in real life not everyone would be great at everything. in skyrim your character is a fucking mary sue.

in morrowind, your character is good at somethings, bad at others. Just like how I am great with astronomy, and HORRIBLE with math. Your character is good at destruction, but HORRIBLE with axes.

>>43555070
In skyrim that's why I use builds. I have a character that's good at conjuration, one handed, and light armor, but he doesn't sneak often, wear heavy armor, use two handed and etc. Builds are the best way to play Skyrim, as it's easy to become OP. Also it's better to focus on specific things, than everything...especially when things scale.

>>43555045
I've never seen the benefit of speech skills, since Illusion charm spells can do it better PLUS a whole bunch of other useful effects. And after 20 levels or so you're rich enough to bribe anyone at any time for negligible amounts of septims. You might want to consider Alteration as a minor, or Athletics, so you begin to run faster over time sooner. It'd also give you the option of raising Speed if you feel the need.

Otherwise sounds pretty good.

>>43555070
The best mage can fireball people and then stick an axe in their head.

Or more likely an enchanted daedric dai-katana, but still.

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Vehk yah

>>43555184
Thanks man. Anything else I should keep in mind when playing Morrowind?

>>43555460
Grab scrolls of Almsivi or Divine Intervention when you run into them and have the coin to spare. Even if you can cast Mark and Recall they make moving lots of loot around easier.

Try to stay topped out on stamina.

Start raising Endurance as soon as possible.

Go everywhere, read everything. Talk to everyone about all topics.

Once you've played the game for a bit you should have a good idea of what you want to mod to have more fun. There's a mod for absolutely everything by now.

>>43555460
RAISE YOUR LUCK EVERY SINGLE LEVEL UP
EVERY FUCKING TIME

close doors to keep save space smaller

get rid of dead bodies to kep save space smaller

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>Strongly getting the itch to re-install Morrowind after a couple of years
>Fallout 4 comes out tomorrow
>very little spare time as it is
fuck

>>43555324
Vehk a shit, second worst tribunal.

>>43555711
>not second best tribunal
Why so mad serjo?

Why is Gaenor so powerful?

>>43555812
>not second best tribunal
Of course not, that would be that fourth tribunal pretender guy in ESO.

>>43555860
who???

>>43555874
There's apparently a guy in ESO who managed to convince everyone that he was a member of the tribunal, in spite of that meaning that there would be four of them.

>>43555893
whats his name?
the only true 4th member is Dagoth

>>43555967
What about Nerevar?

>>43556038
nerevar didnt use the power of the heart like seht ayem vehk and dagoth did

>>43556072
Yeah, but he was good at fighting and had a really neat sword, which counts for something right?

>>43555893
Is ESO really this aggressively dumb, or do I just keep seeing it misrepresented?

>>43556038
>>43556094
I thought Nerevar didnt agree with the whole Tribunal thing?

>>43556105
I just made that one up.

>>43547969
THIS IS NOT HOW CHIM WORKS N'WAH

>>43554939
Morrowind engine, maybe.
Skyrim engine, no.

Unless Gaenor gets something to replace his absurdly high luck he doesn't stand a chance. The Ebony Warrior is just blatantly strong in most ways.

>>43556129
Sheogorath please

Stormcloak or Imperials?

>>43555070

See, I hear people say this a lot, but I'm experiencing the exact opposite of this and it's very frustrating.

In skyrim, I can stick to using just five skills. I can have a character who uses nothing but two handed, heavy armor, block, destruction, and alchemy. Five skills. And that's pretty much what I always do. Just a small handful of skills.

Meanwhile, in Morrowind, it expects me to have, what, not only like seven major skills, but seven more minor skills? It gives me some problems getting into the game when I really like specialized characters.

sorry about the not-lore discussion but I REALLY want to get into morrowind and it's bothering me

>>43556219
>Stormcloak
>ever
Medes a shit though.

>>43542997
>Argonian
>Fuck off to some out of the way temple or ruin.
>Meditate on my knowledge of the Dream, focus on CHIM
>If I dont zero-sum, I'll then start wandering all of existence
>Create a series of Aetherial Paths that pass through Mundus, Masser, Secunda, the Aedric "Planets", the Realms of Oblivion, the Planes of Aetherius and any other place out there.
>One must perform strange quests and adventures to open one gate
>Become the DM of greatest dungeon in all creation
>Dare you enter my magical realm?

Oh and ask the Hist what the fuck they are, where they come from, and how the flying fuck did they survive the Last Turning of the Wheel and escape Alduin's nomming

>>43556224
No one forces you to actually level those skills.

>>43556241

I guess it's just tickling my autism to have skills listed as class skills that I will never touch.
I'll try and ignore that?

>>43556129
That makes sense. I feel silly for almost falling for it, now.

>>43556249
Do what you want, in Morrowind you actually can.

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>>43556230
Eh, Titus Mede probably isn't that bad a ruler, he's just in an unenviable situation, and not Reman or Tiber.

>>43556282
Such a shame Reman dynasty only lasted for 200 years or so (not counting snakes).

weekly reminder that bosmer give birth through their butt

>>43556314
Shiet, now I want an Akavir Elder Scrolls Game.

>>43556314
Yeah, you would have thought Reman would have made a wider pool of viable heirs.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyotomi_clan
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Annals_of_the_Dragonguard

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>>43542997
>Imperial

>Find the Dragonborn, Ebonarm,Nerevarine,the Mane and the other big guys.

>Send them on a Quest to stop the Thalmor from breaking the World.

>Use the Dark Brotherhood to remove important Thalmor

>Try to get the Humans and Beastraces and all non-aldmeri into one Alliance against the Thalmor.

>Kill as many blade-ears as possible.


>Travel to Akavir, make contact with the Ka Po'Tun, tell them about the Dragons returning to Tamriel. Send the Kung Fu Dragonborn Cats on a Anti-Dragon Crussade to Tamriel.

(Optional: Remove the Snakes first.)

>Study Dwemer Technology,find new ways to repair the World and fix the Towers.

>>43556334
Trees aren't known for bearing viable heirs anon.

>>43556426
uh...reman's ancestors were hist? are you pulling my leg?

>>43556438
No, I'm referring to the legends of Reman fucking trees. Because Reman.

>>43556452
wtf are you talking about
mind pointing me in the right direction?

>>43556426
Reman fucked everything, anon.
I suppose that would result in less kids if he killed and ate them right after fucking, though.

>>43556468
Okay, where can I find this info? I keep looking for lore of Reman murderfucking everything in Tamriel but I can't find jack. Remanada doesn't help either.

>>43556458
Sorry, I got that second hand from Trainwiz, apparently he did shit like jizz all over a battlefield. Bet quite a few soldiers came out of that battle scarred for life, and not in the usual ways.

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>>43547590
>and a Dovahkiin
Wasn't the name/title for that Shor?>>43548414
>No, the actual thing is gone
Though not always and it doesn't have to be
>>43548422
CoC/Sheo thong was an Enantiamorph.
>>43549117
Three, actually. God, mortal, and a Lich.
>>43556219
>playing more into ThalmOR hand
>ever
Imperial
>>43556452
Wasn't that the ground?
Or was that how he was born?

>>43556506
No, Reman was born out of mound at Sancre Tor. He gained his reputation as deranged cannibal rapist later on in his life for fucking everything above it.

>CoC/Sheo thong was an Enantiamorph.
Hence the reason he was blind in Skyrim, right. What I want to know is who he was observing, and if that entity ever succeeded in achieving CHIM. That might explain what happened to Jyggalag, now that I think about it.

>>43556575
>cannibal
>rapist
>fucking everything
Where you get this info?

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>>43556588
It's all second hand, but I keep hearing about it all over the place. I can't find any sources for it in the Lore and it's driving me nuts.

>>43548894
Thanks.

Forsworn are here, snowbacks get out

>>43556886
Aren't the forsworn basically mutts?