Today I learnt

Expound pls anon

>>43517196
In terms of Vostroyans, in the codex, it was ALWAYS First Born, not First Born Sons.
GW at no point made a distinction of gender, and any that was made after was a fuck up by whomever said so, and your personal idiotic assumption.
/thread

Ah ha ha haha ha haaa!

OP is scared of girls!

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>>43517196

Anon is butthurt that Vostroyans, according to FFG Only War books, let girls in the super special fightan' club.

He has not given enough thought to remember the the reason women in 40k are not on front line duty is because making more humans is their duty to the emperor.

OP does not want to get his imperial primer rolled by a barren snow-bitch wearing only a fur hat and boots. OP is a fucking bundle of sticks that eats dicks all day.

>>43517244
You can't /thread yourself

But you're right so I'll do it for you

/thread

>>43517229
>sexy Russian 40k chicks
Oh I'll be doing a lot of expounding WITH MY DICK

>>43517265
Этo oчeнь хopoшo anon but I wondered if anon had a point beyond /r9k/-tier whining

I was alway upset with the lack of representation of Cadian women. I mean the culture pretty clearly states literally everyone is pressed into the military in a space Sparta way.

>>43517244
Incorrect, states on pg 18 of 5th IG codex it's "given up the first-born son of every family."

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>>43517296 here

>>43517244
Pic is proofs, just in case you don't trust my word.

That said, I do like the IG regiments mixed, gives more character to them imo.

>>43517296
So FFG raped the fluff again.

>>43517296
What about the 4e IG dex?

>>43517329
Because of course 40k's (snigger) "fluff" is utterly sacrosanct; any variance is met with B-B-BUT IT'S IN THE BOOK and is termed "rape" in some kind of laughable nerd hyperbole
You autists are the reason this particular game gets such a reputation for retarded sperglords

>>43517196
dude, there's Blanche art of female Firstborn, you insufferable faggot.

> to cease the angry outburst from the female community

There is ZERO evidence that there was ever an angry outburst over it.

>>43517387
Don't get mad at me.
Get mad at the third party company not sticking to the source material for the sake of......diversity.

>>43517296
The firstborn sons are always conscripted, but sometimes daughters too.
In 'Commissar', the vostroyan medic was female and the narration described firstborn daughters as either being treated with a great amount of respect or suspicion.
Those that read the book would know the latter to be correct.

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>>43517248
>>43517259
Eat this, motherfuckers.
I am not against girls in general. I am against a politcorrectness bullshit and a raping of common sence.

>>43517296
>>43517316

See >>43517244
>any that was made after was a fuck up by whomever said so

Also, I guess the Vostroyans showed up in 4th Edition in White Dwarf 317.

>>43517396
>>43517409

>>43517407
BL is not canon so it's hardly relevant.

>>43517410
But why exactly is it a fuck-up if it's included in official texts? Sure the WD issue didn't specifiy, but then the Codex does, and so how is that invalidated?

Don't really care for the whole "no-Vostroyan women" part, just curious about your reasoning.

>>43517407
Comissar cain is not warhammet at all.

>>43517409
>Common Sense
>Warhammer 40k
Nigga u wat

>>43517420
Now we are arguing canon.
Blanche art has female Vostroyans.
The original article did not say first born sons, it said First-Born, and left it at that.
Something came out later and said first born sons.
Which is correct?
>>43517425
>the last vestige of the over the top silliness of old warhammer isn't warhammer

>>43517441
>Which is correct?

The newer fluff?

>>43517409
>politcorrectness bullshit

You got a source that this was the reason? 'Cause it seems like you're jumping to conclusions.

>>43517420
>But why exactly is it a fuck-up if it's included in official texts?

>>43517420

In a way, it's not a very good reason at all, considering that GW fluff constantly contradicts itself basically all the time. I couldn't tell you abut the original author's intent, and it's probably best to assume the same thing you would with all WH40K fluff: It's all canon unless GW states otherwise.

I was just shitposting.

>>43517454
>It's all canon

Stop repeating this. It's not true.

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>>43517454
>best to assume the same thing you would with all WH40K fluff: It's all canon unless GW states otherwise

Meh, works for me.

>>43517441
>>43517452

Everything is canon unless stated otherwise. Everything is assumed to be written from an in-universe perspective, so depending on the author, someone could have ither gotten it wrong, the piece may be propaganda, or it may be an outsider's perspective on a situation they don't fully comprehend/they bring in their own biases and assumptions which color their perspective.

At least that is how /tg/ genrally has written stuff like this off in the past.

>>43517452
And have you seen how that works out?
It doesn't, because if you only go by newer fluff, a lot of shit isn't explained, like Deathwing's actual origins.

>>43517467

Make me, boner sucker.

IT'S ALL CANON.

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>>43517368
Did not exist then (4e codex came out late 3e). Vossies came around the 4e Cities of Death expansion and were introduced in WD317.

Pic related.

>>43517441
>canon
Nigga, please, make reference to the corresponding THE CODEX. exact page, if you please.

>>43517329
Raped like a woman in a mixed gender combat unit anon (look up the statistics)

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>>43517441
>Blanche art has female Vostroyans.

You mean pic related?

>The original article did not say first born sons, it said First-Born, and left it at that.

You mean the White Dwarf article in >>43517486?

>>43517196
calm your tits Toвapищ
Most of them wear gas masks and heavy armour anyway, it's like bitching about female kriegers

>>43517196
Okay

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>>43517476
According to the current editor of BL (picture related), the whole propaganda and lies thing is an excuse for the developers and writers to retcon and change the setting to make it more logical, coherent, and fitting with their vision. It's not up for the players to pick and choose. In the case of contradiction, GW will choose the path they want and write/edit fluff to fit it. Therefore, newer fluff trumps older.

>>43517499
>it's like bitching about female Marines

FTFY.

>>43517482
You

see

>>43517507

>>43517507
>GW will choose

Yes, GW. Not FFG. So far GW has chosen not to choose female vossies.

>>43517507
BL is an extreme heresy itself.

>>43517494
>>43517486
Hahaha FFG wankers got Rekt.

>>43517509
No, female marines are stated to be physically impossible. But who would stop some not!russian girl from straping on a gas mask and heavy plate to die for the Emperor?

>>43517416
Glad we are in agreement. Its a non exclusive statement, and male pronouns are used for the IG anyway.

>>43517499
Taмбoвcкий вoлк тeбe тoвapищ.
Stop thinking abot fapping only. The thread is not about this.

>>43517507
>>43517512

Well... I guess you made me stop, boner sucker.

That said, still don't give a shit about First Born including women now in FFG-centric fluff. Not sure why it bothers anyone.

>>43517515
FFG is not empowered to create IP/lore for 40K. GW's policy is "GW, BL, and FW" can create IP/lore.

>http://www.boomtron.com/2011/03/grimdark-ii-loose-canon/

FFG can have whatever they want in their games. It would not affect the main GW lore unless GW says otherwise.

>>43517524
The degree upon which the regiments of Vostroya are built upon, proposed by Guilliman himself? The pride of the entire world? Every single member of her family, unit, the recruitment office, the officers, the staff...

You might as well ask what or who would stop me from putting on fatigues, picking up a rifle and just marching to the nearest army base and pretending I'm a soldier there.

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>>43517550
>You might as well ask what or who would stop me from putting on fatigues, picking up a rifle and just marching to the nearest army base and pretending I'm a soldier there.

This kid did it.

>>43517540
>Not sure why it bothers anyone.

Because faggots try to bleed it over into 40k proper.

>>43517541
Is that not what I said? FFG can do what ever the fuck they want, but it's not gonna affect GW's 40k one bit.

>>43517550
>You might as well ask what or who would stop me from putting on fatigues, picking up a rifle and just marching to the nearest army base and pretending I'm a soldier there.
You are a fat fangirl and you cannot hide it anyway.

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What are you even arguing about at this point?

>>43517565
Sorry, haven't had my coffee yet.

Fantasy Flight Games also massively fuck over their artists, paying them peanuts and rarely if ever allowing them to retain the rights to their work.

>>43517579
it's not about anything, it's just general arguing

>>43517577
Did you just go full retard or what?

In other news

https://youtu.be/SG7VvMGw6w0

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>>43517589
Bingo.

/r9k/ please go. This shit is not needed here, you can still have your speshul bois secrut club even if there is a girl in the fluff.

>>43517629
Don't be rude.

>>43517316

>the Vostroyans have given up the first-born son of every family for service
does not conflict with
>the first-born daughters often also join

Nor does it mean "the regiment is entirely, 100% composed of first-born son conscripts". FFG hasn't changed anything, they're just making explicit what was already implicit.

>>43517757
Except that's wrong. The first-born son refers to the first son born to a Vostroyan family, no matter if they're the eldest child or the third. It makes no sense for a Vostroyan family to offer up a first-born daughter when it's their daughters who carry on the family line and continue the production of arms and armor for their first-born sons.

>>43517757
>ignore >>43517486
>titles "firstborn sons"
>regiments literally called "firstborn"
>only talks about first born sons
>"nah, there's girls in there too"

Only if they're some genderfluid faggots who identify as women.

>>43517789

There aren't any contradictions whatsoever in the statement, m8. See the word often; this is implying it is not always the case but does happen often. This does not, by nature, prevent the line from continuing, unless you presuppose that the family only procreates and eeks out a single daughter.

>>43517639
I'm sorry, but it really pisses me off to see these insecure autists go "OH NO ALL IS RUINED FOREVER" whenever a company making books and plastic dolls for sweaty manchildren including me acknowledges that women are actually a thing that exists.

>>43517872
There's nothing in any GW material to even suggest that female Vostroyans join th regiment. Saying so is wrong on its face.

>>43517889
Anon, there's a difference between acknowledging that women exist and having them in the game, and purposefully fucking up established fluff for the sake of some fucked up ideology. Why is it wrong for Vossies to be male only? Literally no one is bitching about Sisters being women only, nor is anyone advocating "well, there's no reason a man couldn't serve in the SoB". That would be retarded. But handwave women into a regiment specifically built around the notion that it's all male and it's just good manners and shit.

This is the type of attitude that doesn't invent creative new superheroes, but takes existing ones, makes them female for no other reason that "we need more female superheroes" and acts all bitchy when someone has a problem with it.

>>43517899
>inb4 "There's nothing in any GW material suggesting X, Y or Z exists. Ergo, by your logic, they don't."

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Maybe they draft every firstborn son but everyone else can still volunteer?
Ever thought about that?

You guys argue about the most stupid things.

>>43518074
No. That destroys the entire point of their story.

Remember, this is the Imperium of Man. The masters of Vostroya decided to not honor the requests of Terra during the Heresy and kept everyone on the planet to maintain their production levels. They sacrifice their firstborn sons to the Imperial Guard as a penance, a penance which sees them lose what is traditionally considered the most important component of the family and hurts their productive capabilities as a world and forcing them all to work that much harder to maintain the same level of production and quality. You don't "volunteer" for the Firstborn, in the same way you don't "volunteer" for Delta Force.

>>43518074
Maybe for PDF, but Guard regiments are still firstborn males.

>You guys argue about the most stupid things.

Because faggots can't deal with the fluff and have to insert their bullshit into it.

>>43518094
Maybe the female vostroyan guardsmen come from a vostroyan colony.

>>43518114
>from a vostroyan colony

A what?

All this is moot anyways until OP provides a goddamn source.

>>43518094
Actually, it could reinforce the point.
They sacrifice their firstborn sons to the Imperial Guard as a penance, but for some of them even that isn't enough and non-first born sons and daughters decide to share the burden. In addition to what is required.

Or maybe girls have to go when their isn't any sons to be enlisted in the family.

Or just have >>43517244

Shit, I want to roll a Russian Mulan now...

>>43518138
Read the fucking thread.

>>43518242
You can make up what ever you like, but don't for everyone else to take part in it.

>Or just have >>43517244

You mean the thing that's absolutely wrong on all accounts? Sure.

>>43518251

I did read the thread. The literal only 'source' for it is: >>43517507

Unless it's in an actual book, we're arguing about fucking nothing.

First born sons what the Vostroyans are required to give. Nothing says they can't go beyond the minimum requirements if they want. Because Lord General Fucknuggets doesn't care if you're male, female or a panda trained to hold a lasgun. All he cares about is you giving your life to buy humanity 15 more seconds of existence.

>>43518242
Those cuntlickers didn't hear about Abraham though. They dont get the idea.

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>>43518138
>source

>>43518274
So what is >>43517316 and>>43517486 ?
Is it you stupid or you being blind?

>>43518138
Bypasser bypass.

>>43518280
Nothing says Vostroya provides the Guard any other troops than the Firstborn.

In the Only War rulebook, there is a sentence, that clearly states ''the lowliest menials—required to send their first-born sons'' ...
Either way, i think it is a decision for the players to make ,if they want a full female regiment or not.

>>43518292

You're a fuckin' moron. I was talking about the 'often females join' shit, which >>43518287
>>43518287

finally provided. The other sources you name are one's explicitly mentioning the first-born sons bit, which is not what I was talking about. Read the OP, then kindly read my own post.

>>43518280
>doesn't care
No, he care. Because men are better for fighting then women.

>>43518280
Why would you go beyond the minimum requirements when it comes to sending your children to go die?

>>43518280
He might not care, but the Imperial bureaucracy does care. The contract with Vostroya, proposed by Guilliman himself, says first-born sons. You go against that and you go against the primarchs, and to an extend, the Emperor.

aren't there an entire regiment of vostroyan women in the cain series?

>>43517196

>a retcon in 40k

Hold the presses, it's fucking nothing.

>>43518421
No, it's a Valhallan regiment.

>>43518448
It's not a retcon.
FFG doesn't hold that power, so it's really just fan fiction.

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Literally who cares?

>>43517441
Cain isn't over the top silliness, it's modern mores and ideals shoehorned into a setting that should be really fucking far removed from them.

Also Cain is too much of a "I'm just pretending I'm selfish but I really have a heart of gold!" pussy to be truly entertaining.

>>43517259

>the the reason women in 40k are not on front line duty is because making more humans is their duty to the emperor.

This is fan bullshit and has never been backed up.

It's likely both the role of men and women is decided by the planet upon which they live. A hive world is likely going to have all eligible people working in the factories, not just the men.

>>43517418

It seemingly is until GW decides otherwise.

>>43517507

The propaganda thing has always been something assumed by the fans. GW really has no reason to engage in such semantics when they can just override the old with the new.

>>43517524
The same thing that stopped real women from joining the military through 98% of human history? And the fact that the fluff has ALWAYS stated it's made of "firstborn sons".

>>43517889
A) No one is saying that. People are mad that this contradicts the fluff of the chapter, and just doesn't make sense.
B) The main thing that pisses people off is that companies do this to pander to faggots like you who have such a low opinion of the hobby for "sweaty manchildren" and are just trying to push an agenda or some other ulterior motive.

>muh wimmin must be included

Get laid nerd

>>43519309
>People are mad that this contradicts the fluff of the chapter
Not really. Yuo're mad because 'girls are icky' and 'muh feminazis'

Calm down, breathe deep. Your plastic dolls won't suddenly get cooties if someone else's plastic toy soldiers are girls

>>43517259
>Le bundle of sticks meme

Found the redditor

>>43517409
/thread

>>43517454
It is literally stated in the OP that they added females due to tumblrina bitching

>>43517849
Learn to read, every first born son has to serve. Yet nothing states that daughters can not join voluntary.

it's a minor bit of fluff, and trying to hold it 'sacred' seems silly to me.
That said, it seems like they could have handled it better.
For example, having another regiment of first born daughters made up of volunteers, with a similar style. Were the First Born tm are a sign of penence, these are sign that Vostroyans not only meets the call of duty but goes beyond it.

Or have it be that families that produce no male offspring send their daughters to join so they would not be seen as shirking their duty.

It's a silly thing to get upset over, on both sides.

>>43519529
>It is literally stated in the OP that they added females due to tumblrina bitching
Why do you give a shit? Let the tumblrinas have their female guard. It's not hurting you, it's not hurting the game, and it's making people who want female Guard happy.

Why is canon only sacred when it keeps women from coming into your boys only club? Or are you willing to stand up and fight anyone who says that the Ultramarined aren't the ideal of every Space Marine Chapter?

>>43519497
Nice strawman, senpai

>>43519822
It's only a strawman if it isn't your actual argument. Bitching about 40K canon and demanding changes to it is as much a part of the hobby as overpaying for plastic figurines , but as soon as the idea of making it not a boys club comes out, it's as sacred as the God-Emperor himself. It's ridiculously translarent, and I don't know why you think we don't see right through it.

>>43519885
Nice strawman, senpai

>>43519529
>It is literally stated in the OP that they added females due to tumblrina bitching
He's asking for a source for OP, precisely.
Because if FFG removed some character restrictions, the most probable reason would be because players usually don't like restrictions.
Sexual, racial, alignments or whatever restrictions in RPG are not a popular thing, and are often removed, for the better of the worst.
Kinda like 40k removed a lot of lists restrictions, letting players do what they want and justifying it fluffwise or not as they see fit.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's how it is.

What make you think tumbler have anything to do about that? I'm not saying it's not the case, but without any justification, it's look like it's OP that want to insert gender politic into it.

>>43519933
So you can't actually respond to anything we're saying, but you don't have the guts to admit you're wrong. Got it.

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Oh god the logic in this thread...

Let me break it down for you PC retards.

Firstborn son means the the first child born to a family that has a dick between its legs is bound to join the IG

They consider this a great honor

I highly doubt that they would turn down anyone (regardless of gender) who wishes to join but i also doubt they would go to a firstborn formation.

also anyone who dosent want pic related is gay.

>>43518094
>in the same way you don't "volunteer" for Delta Force.

But you do for that, they volunteer and enter the selection process. It's not forced on you, it's entirely volunteer based.

>>43520055

Well, or is a girl and straight.

>>43520067

No, see Delta Force works by bursting through your wall, kidnapping you and shoving you into boot camp.

>>43517409
>raping of common sence [sic]

So it's common sense that in the super future when men with giant pauldrons run around without so much as a ball cap to protect their heads, and when charging screaming into melee is the top tier of most armies' elite strategy, that someone with breasts can't join the group of half brained meat bags whose only job is to shield their tanks with their pathetic, quivering mass?
You, sir, are the retard.

Also, I am against the raping of common spelling. Get an education.

>>43520051
Why bother with someone who is just writing their own arguments? If I say I dislike something because of X and your rebuttal "Nah, you clearly are just a disgusting virgin misogynerd rapist!", there's really no discussion to be had.

So I say again, nice strawman, senpai

>>43520129

Daz rigt. he dun ben not spllin to guud so tharfore he cant not make no arguement.

>>43520143
When your argument is "canon is sacrosanct and should not be changed," but you only make this argument when the change to canon is including women, and never make it for any other change to canon, I think I'm justified in saying "you don't actually believe canon is sacrosanct and should not be changed."

Now you could respond. You could tell me how wonderful the Ultramarines are, and how every Chapter wants to felliate them. You can tell me you're all for the Grey Knights butchering their allies. You can tell me how wonderful it is that someone finally put all four Chaos Gods in their place. You can defend every shitty piece of Warhammer canon that ever existed. Or you can keep pretending I'm strawmanning because that way you don't have to admit you don't really care about 40K canon unless it involves keeping women out of the game.

>>43517418
You of course have a quote from Jack Kirby stating that the Black Library material is not canon?

Oh?

You don't?

Well then you're full of shit.

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>>43519497
>>43519885
>>43520051
You're so fucking retarded and butthurt. Instead of providing any kind of argument, you just call him a manchild.
This is not even arguing about women being in the military. Which I'm all for, provided they pass the same, non lowered tests as everyone else. Even though it normally creates a shitload of problems. People are pissed because FFG caved to stupid SJW being butthurt about made up problems that they don't even actually care about. It would be a different thing if it were complaints from a majority of RPG players that actually play the fucking game. Because in every other media like films or games, it appears that SJW don't actually play/view those things at all, they just yell about them. Most of the media that panders to SJW has failed spectacularly.

Though this thread is only slightly less retarded than you, OP has provided no source for his claims of FFG caving in to SJW, apart from 1d4chan, and FFG isn't canon anyway.

>>43519497
You're going to tell me what I'm angry about?

>>43520533
Ya know, ''Remove faggot" is ironic coming from a VDV trooper.

>>43520409
>Or you can keep pretending I'm strawmanning
You are. You're making up your own arguments and attributing things the other anon, my first post was calling you a strawmanner never said to me.

I think it's dumb that an organization devoted to firstborn sons is opened up to both genders for out of setting politics. I have nothing against female IGs or even female Vostroyans, they just shouldn't be Firstborn and if we're gonna just go full muh equality/diversity on things, we need some male Sisters of Battle and multiracial orks.

>>43520533
I made an argument - who gives a shit? It's a non-issue that makes people happy, so there's no reason to make a big deal about it. I see nothing wrong with catering to SJWs if if doesn't affect anything that matters. The idea of a happy SJW does not send me into paroxysm of impotent rage, and if it does, you are the problem.

>>43521107
There's a big difference between reverting an organization dedicated to firstborns so that it once again accepts soldiers of both sexes and changing an organization created to take advantage of a loophole, let alone modifying an extraterrestrial species to include arbitrary human divisions.

>>43517789

Exceptions =/= the rule.

Perhaps the family has no sons. Perhaps they pulled A Mulan. Perhaps they're barren.

Any number of reasons can say why this Woman broke tradition and joined the Guard.

My God man, get the fuck over it.

>>43517922
>purposefully fucking up established fluff for the sake of some fucked up ideology

>CITATION NEEDED

>>43518326

The source that guy posted/you linked to is called "The Sundered and the Black" and it's about those who fell at Isstvan, and does not mention anything we're talking about.

>>43518532
>so it's really just fan fiction.

Contained in the official Roleplaying Game.

>>43520533
>FFG caved to stupid

>Citation Needed

>Though this thread is only slightly less retarded than you, OP has provided no source for his claims of FFG caving in to SJW, apart from 1d4chan, and FFG isn't canon anyway.

Oh, never mind, you already knew it was bullshit.

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>>43521174
>it's a non issue and like 90% of the 40k fanbase is indifferent to it
>we should change it, just because a few people who are fans, but not the target demographic or aren't even part of the fanbase made it an issue
Pandering to SJW is retarded. Like pic related, stirring up shit for the sole purpose of stirring up shit and being offended. Only if they are actually the target audience and their demands align with the majority of actual players, then it's acceptable.
And it's obvious that you give a big shit about this argument, getting all worked up with your ad hominems based on nothing.

>>43521662
Surprisingly, some people don't like the partisan extremes most of the internet subscribes to.

>>43522058
>just because a few people who are fans, but not the target demographic or aren't even part of the fanbase made it an issue
>fans
>aren't even part of the fanbase
nigger you what?

>>43520409
people get pissed all the time, not only when females are involved.
i don't think the issue here is the change in the fluff itself, that happens all the time.
the problem here is the reason for change in the fluff is due to some PC uprising apparently. people would have issues if they introduced males in the sister of battle just to please the lgbt community, it's not a misoginistic policy, it's a "fluff should not depend on PC outbursts in a grimdark setting" policy.
I don't play vostroyan, so i don't really care about it really, but I'd get pissed if they introduced dwarf or wheelchaired or feeble astartes for the sake of gettin short people, paraplegics and anorexics, engaged in the game.
fluff says astartes candidates are the top of the crop of their generations, and i expect them to be fit. ok you can get hacked in half by a daemon, but that is a combat injury, not a phisical defect of the original ndividual.
BUT if PC outburst can change the fluff, then anything "sacred" could change due to enough people whining, and this is ( i guess) what makes people pissed off: that the decisions stop to be dictated by an attempt to make fluff coherent, and start to be made by the public.

So, where's the evidence of the PC outbursts?

>>43522214
There's already a fat space marine in some shitty BL book

>>43522058
>Surprisingly, some people don't like the partisan extremes most of the internet subscribes to.

You say this, but it kinda seems like you're still subscribing to the theory that SJWs/Political Correctness had to be the reason behind this.

Also, this guy >>43522214 and others like him keep putting that up as the reason this went down, and there's absolutely nothing that actually backs this up, as if adding women into the First Born is proof enough.

I happen to agree with >>43519962 in that removing restrictions for Roleplaying fans, who may not be as familiar with the Tabletop, and maybe want to play a female First Born.

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>>43517196

Wow. I've seen some terrible autism, some terrible bait on this board in my time.

But nothing as sincerely terrible as this.

The angry outburst is entirely fucking made up. A good number of Imperial Guard regiments allow females, or have female regiments. Literally, some fluff writer just put in the word "sons" without giving it too much thought and you're sperging out over it.

Female Guard have been a thing since Ciaphas Cain, and FFG was smart to follow that example.

It's fine if you want to hate women, but ffs, don't invent controversy where there was none. Get the fuck off this board, because you clearly can only lower the collective intelligence here.

>>43518360
Perhaps you have a surplus of children and wish to avoid a dynastic crisis.
Pehaps one of your children is embroiled in a scandal that could destroy the whole family, so you pack them off to join their elder sibling in the Emperor's army
Perhaps you were born with no sons, or had none that survived to adulthood, or those that did are sickly or unwell. So you send off some daughters in the hope of redeeming your failure

>>43522421
>Female Guard have been a thing since Ciaphas Cain, and FFG was smart to follow that example.
Are you fucking retarded? Cain didn't invent female IG nor is this about female IG. It's about Vostroyan firstborn

>>43522392
desu i don't know what the actual reason is, in fact i used the term "apparently".
but in judging the reaction of someone, you must consider what is apparent to their eyes, not what is objective, otherwise you could not make sense of any human reactions.

>>43522421
>Literally, some fluff writer just put in the word "sons" without giving it too much thought and you're sperging out over it.
>It's fine if you want to hate women, but ffs, don't invent controversy where there was none. Get the fuck off this board, because you clearly can only lower the collective intelligence here.
shit bait try harder senpai

>>43522446
>Perhaps you have a surplus of children and wish to avoid a dynastic crisis.
Then it wouldn't be a sacrifice/punishment, would it?
>Pehaps one of your children is embroiled in a scandal that could destroy the whole family, so you pack them off to join their elder sibling in the Emperor's army
Then it's not a sacrifice/punishment
>Perhaps you were born with no sons, or had none that survived to adulthood, or those that did are sickly or unwell. So you send off some daughters in the hope of redeeming your failure
This is the only one that's justifiable and even then you're forcing the burden of your failure on others.

>>43522446
So let the role players do this. Its called making interesting characters. The problem is when you go from making something optional to making something mandatory. When the female first borns went from being an interesting angle to explore to, the concept of a male only army having to have female guard as thing because if SJW, its gets in the way and almost cheapens the quirkiness those characters originally had.

>>43522477
>in fact i used the term "apparently"

Despite the fact that it's not apparent? You come off as someone tilting at windmills.

>>43522570
>The problem is when you go from making something optional to making something mandatory
But it's quite literally all in your head. You still can make an all-male regiment of the firstborn, no one's there to stop you

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>hey, you know this army that is only neat because of the cool story and tradition?
>lets fuck with that

I don't really care because I only field Cadian regiments and they're already like this, but it seems strange to make something that was more traditional than anything else.

>>43522570
exactly.
i'm a huge fan of restrictions and asimmetries in any RPG, because it adds depth. aomthing that we ale losing of more and more these days.
you want to be a samurai? well there are some restrictions, duties and responsibilities. you want to be a templar knight? same. you want to play a priestess of llolth? well i guess you can't really be lawful good mate. you want to be a prince? ok, most of the party members will probably be under your political influence, but maybe it's the warrior in the group that does the fighting, while you stay in the background weaving alliances. limitations and restrictions are tools to encourage deeper characterization. if any character could do anything what would be the point?

>>43522650
everything about the hobby is in our heads, aside from a few grams of plastic laying around on a table. the immersion is what makes it cool, imho.

>>43522446
Girls don't create Dynastic crisis in most cultures
You could do that in a thousand different ways that don't have her go and humiliate your other not shit kid

Last one maybe but she could do that herself by marrying a good husband popping out grandsons.

This whole thread is a clusterfuck of asspain, sasuga tg! Lets change it a bit

How do you guys think Vostroyan society actually works? With all firstborn sons being sent to die there has to be a deficit of male partners for reproduction which means that in order to keep up with the population number the would either have to have a large sperm bank or a high number of approved teenage pregnancies so the man that is sent to war gets replaced by his progeny while the woman finds another partner to expand the family so the number of males in the planets isnt constantly dwindling. With the population having a constant deficit of males (Because unlike real world armies, the men dont return, ever) the actual societty would probably be highly matriarchal as women are forced to assume positions of power, however in this scenario, how are the second born sons treated? Because the firsborn are most likely held in respect if not outright venerated as martyrs.

>>43522603
it is not apparent meaning:
it is not even apparent
or
it is ths way objectively, not apparently?

>>43522650
You can. You could always do that because it was the fluff of the regiment. All female regiments are not unless you have some exceptional circumstances for it.

If you could pull it off, great I love well crafted stories as much as anyone.

Now the response is, oh yeah those are thing now. Welp.

>>43522814

As in nothing indicated that this was to quell the ire of Political Correctness advocates/SJWs other than the OP jumping to conclusions.

>>43522392
But if you'd check the short comment chain, you'd notice that I already called OP out on his bullshit here >>43520533

>>43523547

You replied to me replying to you acknowledging that. We're going around in circles now. Can we both just agree OP is a faggot and be done with it?

I acknowledge I was splitting hairs.

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>>43517259
>all dat bait

Even space marines have canonical female members these days.

No where is safe, no where is sacred, all is heresy and covered in cooooooties, and no amount of REEEEing can change this future you made for yourselves.

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>>43523664
I agree with that, but I also still stand with my point about not pondering to SJW. So all of our comments are essentially useless and nothing has changed.

>>43522144
>people who aren't fans, or people who are a part of the fanbase but not the target demographic at all

>>43520055
>also anyone who dosent want pic related is gay.

Yeah but if you accept that, you also accept a bunch of teenage girls crying in the dirt as they try to reattach their severed limbs and keep their guts inside their blown-apart bellies, or getting torn limb-from-limb by an ork or CSM.

>>43523758
>I agree with that, but I also still stand with my point about not pandering to SJW

That's fair. In this case, it doesn't like that's what's happening, nor is it in most cases. I won't pretend it's never happened though.

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>>43523763
not the original anon you replied to, but I do accept that. In my most recent campaign my players realized that men in there company where necrophiliacs. I have fucked up shit like your described happen pretty much every other session in my only wars campaigns.

>>43520055
>They consider this a great honor
I thought it was like a punishment for their people?

>>43524323
Repenting yourself for the Imperium is a great honor.

>>43517259
>let girls in the super special fightan' club.
Because they don't belong in special fightan' clubs due to their extreme incompetence as well as their unwillingness to function in a group for the greater good. Even the US Rangers, which aren't even a fucking elite unite, only had 3 women who passed their training. Three. Why do you think actual elite units around the globe are men only? Women only serve in regular infantry, and even then mostly in units which are kept away from the actual fighting.

>B-but muh supreme court
That doesn't change that while women want to fight, they don't want to die. I can fucking guarantee you that if even 25% of war casualties are female, feminists will complain about the army being sexist and needing more male canon fodder. For fucks sake, feminists are even complaining about a proportional rise in womens workplace related deaths (and that proportional rise only exists because less men -who are still the grand majority- are dying).

When will you idiots finally realize that listening to what women want never works because women HATE men?
>Inb4 "b-but my mummy and my gf like me so you're wrong"

>>43517409
>buying into the pc meme

>common sense
>in 40 fucking k

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>>43524693

>When will you idiots finally realize that listening to what women want never works because women HATE men?

I think they just hate you.

>>43524693
>women HATE men
You're supposed to post a frog when you say stuff like that.
Maybe add in a REEEEEE or two for good measure.

>>43524275
Seems like a cheap tactic to impress THE HORRORS OF WARRRR on the players, when having guardswomen on the frontline is just stupid. There's at least crippling morale and cohesion issues with the regiment due to all the mutilated little girls right?

>>43525044
>I think they just hate you.
Nah, I'm pretty sure male disposability doesn't apply to me exclusively.

>>43525113
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Better?

>>43525118
Yeah, because the Imperium has high standards for the Imperial Guards' personal welfare issues, right?

Bodies are bodies bro, the more the merrier.

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>>43525153

>Nah, I'm pretty sure male disposability doesn't apply to me exclusively.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to anyone.

Also, if you really think "feminists" think what you claimed they think, it seems you don't know what a feminist is.

>>43522670
There's a pretty big difference between restrictions that make sense based on the character type you're playing, and restrictions which are imposed completely arbitrarily by GM or designer fiat. For example, there's a good reason why you have to be bound by restrictions, duties, and responsibilities as a samurai - samurai are servitors of a lord, who places those restrictions on them in exchange for some measure of the lord's authority. It wouldn't make sense to force anyone who wanted to play a fighter or a thief to follow the same restrictions, though.

>>43525153
>Nah, I'm pretty sure male disposability doesn't apply to me exclusively.
I love that you think male disposability is something imposed by women, instead of powerful men who see you as potential competition for the same resources.

>>43517196
Uhhh this...is a thing?

>>43525443
>I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to anyone.
Alright mate, get back at me when you finish high school.

>>43525483
It may be part of necessity, but this is also why old "patriarchal" systems accomodated for this by guaranteeing certain rights to men. The problem starts arising when a bunch of braindead women start calling themselves equal to men, somehow impose this legislation on men, completely change the cultural outlook of a society to the point where even implying men and women are different will irrepairably ruing your reputation and STILL proceed to ignore the existence of male disposability.

Why do you think you constantly hear women complain about the lack of women in STEM, but literally never hear a feminist say that we need more women in garbage disposal, construction or other dirty, dangerous, potentially lethal, underpaid and thankless jobs? Women make a big deal about the existence of the word "fireMAN" (flashy, prestigious, well paid), but nobody ever complained about "garbageMAN" (filthy, unglamorous, barely pays shit).

>>43524693
>Inb4 "b-but my mummy and my gf like me so you're wrong"
Wow.
I feel life wrecked you.
Sorry.

>>43525153
You forgot the frog.

>>43525551
You have to be baiting.

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>>43525551
has anyone capped that post about a class for shitposters?

>>43525551
Wow, you post is so fucking retarded that I really hope you are trolling.

>>43525551

>Alright mate, get back at me when you finish high school.

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

HahahaaAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Never change, /tg/!

Men still earn more money than women, suffer a tiny fraction of the number sexual assaults suffered by women, owned women or were considered legal guardians for women [who can't make decisions for themselves! Right, guise?] in every country on earth until a century ago, and in almost the entire world, women remain victims of discrimination, violence, and oppression to a greater extent than men. But we're disposable because some moronic, entitled "feminist" hates us and some MRA nimrod says we are.

Incidentally, you do realize people VOLUNTEER to join the military, right?

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>>43525732

>This entire post

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>>43525732
here comes the counter b8

>>43525551

>Why do you think you constantly hear women complain about the lack of women in STEM, but literally never hear a feminist say that we need more women in garbage disposal, construction or other dirty, dangerous, potentially lethal, underpaid and thankless jobs?

I have never heard anyone of either sex complain about a lack of employment opportunities in the shit-shoveling sector.

You've proven you're an idiot, a troll, a child, a Republican, or a combination of the four. You're not even bothering to think about what you're writing; you're just regurgitating the same nonsense someone else on the wide world of the internet said once, and it was stupid the first time someone said it.

>>43525551
Pretty sure there are women who want to be garbagemen - or sanitation workers, as they're caused nowadays. If there weren't, why are they tucking called sanitation workers nowadays, hm?

I also know for a fact that feminists do care about male disposability. I've spoken to women about this, and believe it or not, they're not happy about the idea that they're too delicate and important to risk their lives for someone they deeply care about, or that it's wrong for them to do so.

>>43522810
From what I read is that before every Guardsman is shipped out they throw a massive goodbye party/funeral. The guardsmen are then encouraged to fuck as many females as possible and spread the seed for future Guardsmen.

Nobility probably are probably married off early. The female gets to stay with the new family, and when they're shipped off probably married to the second son/cousin/uncle.

The society on a whole is probably more matriarchal. As women would outnumber the men, and be incharge of keeping traditions alive.

It would make zero sense to send a female out in the battlefield. First of all, men are expendable. One man can impregnate many women, but a woman can only carry one man's children at a time (rare cases two men's).

>>43517579

I don't know. Seems like fluff, but it's probably just a proxy argument against women.

>>43525732
Congratulations, you are the first one to attempt a rational discussion. Attempt.

>Men still earn more money than women
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704421104575463790770831192
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wage-gap-myth-that-wont-die-1443654408

>suffer a tiny fraction of the number sexual assaults suffered by women
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender

>owned women
Because men were never enslaved, and male slaves were never owned by female landowners.
>or were considered legal guardians for women
Which makes perfect sense in the legal context of men being the sole breadwinners. And even then it did not apply to all relationships, or do you think that queen regnant Victoria had a male representative other than her prime minister?

>in every country on earth until a century ago, and in almost the entire world, women remain victims of discrimination
Such a shame I'm mostly worried about the present day occident. Unless you have a time traveling device or a willingness to move to Saudi-Arabia, your ramblings matter not.
>Violence
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10752232/Our-attitude-to-violence-against-men-is-out-of-date.html
In the real world, men are twice as likely to be victims of violent crimes than women.
>and oppression
Moden day occident. Provide your sources.

>Incidentally, you do realize people VOLUNTEER to join the military, right?
In times of relative peace, yes. Have you ever heard of a little thing called conscription? I've heard unsubstantiated rumors that that used to be a big thing by the time the suffragettes were active. There was some tiny gang war going on in France at the time, I'm sure you've never heard of it.

>>43525761

From what little of that is big enough to read, I can see the "lying with statistics" and "attempting to use correllation to imply causation" pretty much everywhere.

But I know you're smart enough not to take that seriously.

>>43525826

I've never said anything in defense of the alleged sanity of transsexuals.

>>43525826
He lives in fantasy land where reality doesn't exist

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>>43525950
don't we all?

>>43525923
Anon, conscription isn't a thing anymore, at least in countries with civilized militaries. It's not really a problem for modern 1st world people.

>>43526010
>Anon, conscription isn't a thing anymore, at least in countries with civilized militaries
Wrong.

>>43526059
Russia doesn't count as civilized.

>>43526010
>conscription isn't a thing anymore
I recieved a letter informing me I'm viable for conscription when I turned 17. You are a fucking retard. Conscription is downright non-active in most "civilized" countries (which doesn't include Finland and Israel, I guess!). What the hell do you think happens if the Germans or Russians decide to invade? Do you think we'll only send our professionals to defend the country? Are you fucking stupid?

Good job ignoring the rest of my post and proving exactly why I loathe women and their mangina lickspittles: an unwillingness to even understand men. Men are wrong and evil, women are oppressed little angels that never do anything wrong and if you disagree then you're doubly wrong and evil and probably a nazi too.

>It's not really a problem for modern 1st world people.
You have to love this, a willingness to flipflop between global problems and first world problems depending on their needs. Women in Syria are made into sex slaves so that's a feminist issue, but conscription is no longer active in most of Europe so it's not a mens rights issue.

>>43526093
Anon, the Ruskies and the Chicoms aren't going to invade, it's pure fantasy. Nuclear proliferation has made war between major countries obsolete.

>>43525761
Hang on, that graph on the top right has been posted very frequently lately around here and I can't find the source for the data. I've seen the Heritage study but in the CDC 1995 survey I can't find the stats where they made the graph from.

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>>43526093
>What the hell do you think happens if the Germans or Russians decide to invade?
you get fucked

>>43525923

>rational
>Wall Street Journal

Yeah, no.

>Because men were never enslaved, and male slaves were never owned by female landowners.

ALL men have never been slaves in any society in history. ALL women have been property/slaves in several.

>men being the sole breadwinners

I'm sure there weren't any women who would want to contribute; they must have all been perfectly content to stay home and be unable to leave the house.

>In the real world, men are twice as likely to be victims of violent crimes than women.

Do you realize that in the Torygraph article you cited, there are citations for types of violent crime where women suffer from more than men do?

Do you realize that men also perpetrate the vast majority of violent crimes?

You're taking the typical libertarian's stance: injustice doesn't matter if it isn't codified. Pretty hideously stupid bedrock principle on which to found a society.

>Have you ever heard of a little thing called conscription?

No; I've been living under a rock.

If you're interested in discussing the modern western world, don't cherrypick (or try to cherrypick; I don't think conscription would really disprove anything anyway).

And stop calling it "The Occident." It's entirely too self-aware for someone discussing the collapse of a society while being, in part, the cause.

>>43526093
>Germans
>any military threat to the USA
What are you smoking and where can I get some?

>>43526093

>Men are wrong and evil, women are oppressed little angels that never do anything wrong and if you disagree then you're doubly wrong and evil and probably a nazi too.

It doesn't appear you actually talk to real women in the actual world. You might try that before generalizing.

>>43526148
Whoever made that graph is making shit up.

>>43526147
If this were 1920, you'd be telling me the Germans will never pull any kind of shit again. Are you really going to tell me we will literally never see a war in Europe ever again? Especially when only recently Merkel warned that an inability to solve the refugee crisis may result in war on European soil?
http://www.thelocal.de/20151103/merkel-warns-of-military-conflict-in-balkans

Good grief, I don't know whether you're a feminist because you're retarded or your devotion to feminism leads you to twist logic until it fits your mental framework.

On top of that, feminists are not only geographically hypocritical but temporally as well. Medieval offenses towards women is something modern day men are still responsible for, but male only conscription and levies for almost all of human history somehow don't matter today.

>>43526231
>If this were 1920, you'd be telling me the Germans will never pull any kind of shit again. Are you really going to tell me we will literally never see a war in Europe ever again? Especially when only recently Merkel warned that an inability to solve the refugee crisis may result in war on European soil?
hold on to your tinfoil hat boy

>>43526254
>Tinfoil hat
It is a historically accepted fact that most European politicians considered WW1 to be the war to end all wars. It is a widely reported fact that Merkel warns that an inability to solve the refugee crisis could lead to war in Europe. Explain where the conspiracies come in because everything I said is in line with mainstream understanding of historical and recent events.

>>43519269
>thing
physical weakness and cowardness

>>43526085
Austria and Germany both have conscription laws and the Brits could reinstate it if they wanted to, since they only legislate it in wartime.

>WHY DOES MIGHTY NUMBER NINE HAVE TO HAVE A MALE PROTAGONIST?!

>WHY DOES 40K HAVE TO INCLUDE WOMEN?

Someday most normal people will realize that entitled, self-centered feminists and entitled, self-centered MRAs are exactly the same?

>>43526305
You forgot Finland, Israel and Switzerland, which actually at this very moment practice conscription.

>>43526353
>Both sides of the conflict are equally wrong, therefore I'm liberated of my duty to question the status quo
I wish I could be as intellectually lazy as you.

>>43519638
It's not hurting you, it's not hurting the game
It's hurting me, it's hurting you, it's hurting the game. don't be so complacent shortsighted , comrade.

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>>43520129
>Get an education
get some litaruture classes and get to know about "inner logic" etc., you ignorant fag.

>>43526231
>>43526298
If you were not so retarded you would know that nuclear weapons existing is big game changer, things are different now than in 1920.

>>43526231
Anon, there's not going to be another World War, it's the nuclear age.

>>43520533
>>43520957
Yes, everybody knows VDV are alcoholic faggots who like to bath in piss.

>>43526490
>If you were not so retarded you would know that nuclear weapons existing is big game changer
Because between 1920 and the present day, there has never been a war in the Balkans. There has also never been a war since 1945 which was intensive enough to warrant conscription for the US army.

Or maybe you're just retarded.

>>43526502
You know what? Fine, I'll warrant you that. In that case, why not add a little clause to conscription laws: all men who are conscripted will freely be able to rape women in both their home nation and any territory that ends up occupied. Nay, they are OBLIGATED to rape and kill at least one woman a week.

Sounds fair, right? I mean, they're never going to be conscripted anyway so it's fine to have a horribly sexist law as long as it's not enforced, right?

>>43526560
>there has never been a war in the Balkans
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but that was between several minor countries, not nuclear powers like China & Russia.

>>43526560
>there has never been a war in the Balkans
because some serbs massacring some other yugos is totally a good reason to deploy your a-bombs
same goes for vietnamese, koreans, sandpeople and all the other fuckers

>>43526406

Literally what in the spiralling Tzeentchian fuck are you babbling about?

>>43526560
Considering how war looks like nowadays, conscripts would probably be worth shit anyways. This isn't the sixties anymore, when you could hand a 19 year old a M16, a helmet, a backpack and drop him off in 'nam while hoping the best.

>>43522421
>Ciaphas Cain
you are talking to voices in your head wahat an irrelevant writing.

>>43526389

Straw man

>>43526452

Hypocrite

>>43523723
>Even space marines have canonical female members these days.
wha-a-a-a-at?

>>43526560
The chance of a world war is really low, sure you will see some wars between some small countries or a bigger country picking on a smaller one but war between super powers is not going to happen because of nuclear weapons.

>>43526353
no one cares if 40k has women, but tinkering with the lore like this for no reason is pretty weird

>>43526767

Ok seriously, just leave. I don't know if you're drunk, ESL or are just retarded but you need to go right now.

>>43518585

It's just really annoying when feminists get a hold of your hobby, m8.

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>>43526862
Nobody has a hold on our hobby. Ya'll are just overreacting.

Oh my god I usually enjoy arguing 40k minutiae, even shit like 'are space marines capable of having children', but this is too autistic even for me.

Who the fuck cares if they have women or not?

>>43526452
This is a great image to chuck around in arguments like these, because whilst it's not wholly incorrect it does nothing to create an actual retort and instea just shifts the blame onto whoever it's posted at. It's essentially a "Nu-uh, you are!" in stick image form.

>>43526887
I'd like to point out what happened to capeshit comics, and what would've happened to gaming if gamers didn't "overreact" to being declared dead.

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>>43526932
>what would've happened to gaming if gamers didn't "overreact" to being declared dead
You're serious?

>>43526928
Not him, but no it's not. It's merely pointing out the "I really hate party 1, but I really hate party 2" bullshit. This is nothing more than the middle ground fallacy: by criticizing both sides of the argument, you automatically assume that the middle ground (usually the status quo) is correct. Despite this appearing to be the easy way out on first glance, it is actually the hardest way out because -logically speaking- to maintain this position you'd have to refute all of the arguments of both sides completely.

It is the argument of cowards, those too afraid to question and too afraid to change. I can forgive someone who is wrong easier than I can forgive a coward.

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why is this shitty thread still up?

>>43526822
Ok seriously, just leave. I don't know if you're drunk, ESL or are just retarded but you need to go right now.

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>>43526923
>Who the fuck cares if they have women or not?
A you retard or blind? Look at the lower right corner of page.

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>>43517409
>I am not against girls in general. I am against a politcorrectness bullshit and a raping of common sence.
Then go to /pol/ with your bitching where everyone will agree with you, make you feel better, and vindicate your impotent rage. Nobody else cares.

Enough RL militaries allowed and/or even require(d) service from women that there's no reason that an over-the-top Russian caricature military force, in a non-canonical book, in an over-the-top grimderp setting to which the term "canon" can only be applied as losely as possible, can't do the same. If doing so sells extra units, then the company is going to do that, and that's capitalism bitch, deal with it.

>>43517418
And surely you have some proof that it isn't canon. Oh you don't, do you? Then stfu

>>43527018
Fat women, you are too stupid to find hide thread button.

>>43527105
>Nobody else cares.
Are you retard or blind? Look at the lower right corner of page.

>>43526980
Not really, to say you disagree with 'both sides' is perfectly valid. Things are often simplified into 'everyone is one side or the other' when in fact it's just a number of small groups vs another number of small groups while a whole load of other group don't take part in the argument but may have varying amounts of interest/investment in the topic being discussed.

To say you find the people at the extreme ends of things disagreeable is the same as saying you find one side or the other disagreeable, it just carries the extra burn that "Honestly I think you're just as shitty as the people you find shitty."

It doesn't assume the middle ground is right, it merely states that the person finds neither side of the debate agreeable, and as such their input is little beyond "Your debate sucks".

>>43527132
40k doesn't HAVE canon guys, not really. It's a giant clusterfuck that doesn't fit when you actually look hard enough. That's what makes it so fun and silly.

>>43526980
>This is nothing more than the middle ground fallacy: by criticizing both sides of the argument, you automatically assume that the middle ground (usually the status quo) is correct
That's a false dilemma fallacy. You assume that there is a binary spectrum of positions, and sides can only be to the right or to the left of each other.

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>>43522421
>Wow. I've seen some terrible autism, some terrible bait on this board in my time.

You weren't around when Eldrad raped /tg/ with his new codex.

>>43522421
>But nothing as sincerely terrible as this
fucking newfag

>>43527276
With the MRA-Feminist dichotomy here there is a binary spectrum: either women have it worse than men, men have it worse than women or the status quo is perfect.

>>43527383
Not that Anon, but even that's not 100% true. Men gets some things better than ladies, and ladies get other things better than men. You can't easily make that a dichotomy.

>>43527428
>Men gets some things better than ladies, and ladies get other things better than men.
[Citation needed]

>>43527452
Seriously?

OK, example:

Father sees kid playing with other kids. Mothers ask him which kid he is because men having interest in children playing seems perverted.

Wife is expected to perform more work around the house despite also having a full time job.

>>43527489
>he is
is his

Brain fart.

>>43527452
Men are in general stronger, while women are in general, more likely to have their problems taken seriously. I dunno, there's way too many possible combos for me to bother listing.

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Being Vostroyan was never just about being linked thematically to the troops of the Russian Monarchy. It was about the sacrifice paid by each family for their initial refusal to supply any regiments at all, and the way the Vostroyan people took on that debt and their payment of it as a mark of pride.

I guess it's hard to understand, but to me the Vostroyans have always been a more masculine organization due to their commitment to honor and self-sacrifice. I guess if FFG wants to open it up to women it's their call, but in my heart they'll remain the First-Born Sons of Vostroya.

>>43527489
>Wife is expected to perform more work around the house despite also having a full time job.
Expected by whom?

>>43527509
Biology is now "problematic"?

Let me make shit easier for you: name ONE(1) legal right western women don't get that western men do.

>>43527551
>Biology is now "problematic"?

Are you retarded? At what point did I mention that the imbalance was a NEGATIVE thing? I was simply listing one possible "imbalance" that makes men better than women in one thing, and vice versa in another.

>>43527551
Husband.

>>43527590
Here's a radical idea: don't marry people with expectations you can't or won't deliver on. Women being fucking retarded isn't the result of male sexism.

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>The Mon'Keigh are so evolutionary inferior their women aren't as physically able as their men
>laughingbanshee.jpg

I want /r9pol/ to leave.

>>43527679
>>>/reddit/
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/democratic party/
>>>/labour/
>>>/partisocialiste(france)/
>>>/partisocialiste(belgium)/

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>>43527679
Purge the heretic.

>>43527718
>>>/out/

There are 22 retard(ed)(s) in this thread. Ye olde good /bg. Mutual respect and tolerance as usual.

>>43527452
Whether it's true or not, it's a position not on the binary spectrum, and it disproves your argument that the only positions are somewhere on said binary perspective.

let's compare sports. There are NO FUCKING ONE sport in which women are better then men. From brute strength to pure intellect (chess) men are better then woman.

>>43528035
>brute strength
brute strength (heavy athletics)
fix

>>43519590
PDF maybe, but actual Guard regiments are made up of males only. Learn to read.

>>43519598
>minor

It's literally the whole concept upon which the whole regiment is based on. You might as well say Sisters being women only is just a minor bit of fluff and we should let dudes be Sisters just like that.

>>43528035
Ah, that maybe caused by the fact that men are more captured on screen than women. In most culture, women always seen to be behind the scene.
I dont know about your place, but women are always in the same position as men in my place, hell a warrior women are a thing in here you know.

>>43519529
>It is literally stated in the OP that they added females due to tumblrina bitching

Without any source given to this quote. This whole thread is one massive troll and you motherfuckers jumped to defend it like the SJW fucks you are.

>>43519638
Nice fucking strawman, retard.

>it's making people who want female Guard happy

Nothing has ever stopped people from having female guardsmen, but they weren't happy that there was a "no women allowed" regiment, so they had to whale against this bastion of the patriarchy like they always do.

>Why is canon only sacred when it keeps women from coming into your boys only club?

Sisters of Battle. Nobody's demanding them to be more exclusive with male members. Go fuck yourself, you fuck.

>>43520409
>you only make this argument when the change to canon is including women

And you're not happy with all the other regiments having women, you must have women in this particular regiment, because of ideological reasons. You saw someone having fun with something you couldn't have, and had to cry about it like a bitch until you did, then just discarded it because the only reason you wanted it was because you didn't have it.

>>43521414
Citation on what?

>>43522421
Look, retard, just like Sisters and Marines, Vossies were made to be a single sex. It's been their fluff since the very beginning. If you want women in Guard, use any other regiment. Hell, there's probably regiments that are women only, but you don't see your women haters trying to force men into them, now do you?

Take off your potato tinted retard goggles for a moment, please.

>>43528694
>This whole thread is one massive troll
What a baseless accusation!!!

>>43517196
>people are more butthurt about an unimportant change in fluff than they are about Goto not being aborted

top kek

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>This whole thread

>>43528863
Almost as baseless as the OP?

>>43528952
What do you expect. It's a bit of white knight SJW, it's a bit of "women fuck, look at these facts", a great big scoop of trolling and the rest is just the bystanders watching a fireworks truck hit a school bus in slow motion.

>>43529062
>women fuck

Should be suck, but I'm tired and fuck at typing.

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>>43528953

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>>43529112
>and fuck at typing.

>>43528035
Female gymnasts are pretty good. Women win Olympic gold medals in Equestrian sports every now and then.
The only person to ever run a 300 mile stretch without stopping to sleep is a woman. Male ultrarunners have tried to do that, but none of them have been able to finish.

>>43529368
>Female gymnasts are pretty good. Women win Olympic gold medals in Equestrian sports every now and then.
Cannot compare
>The only person to ever run a 300 mile stretch without stopping to sleep is a woman.
The single case. And there was some drugs controversy.

>>43526476
>inner logic
>in 40k

Anon, that is even more fucking hilarious.

Nobody has a problem with female Cadians, or female Catachans. Fuck if you want female russians make some Vallhallans with tits.

The Vostroyan firstborn are the firstborn sons, thats how it works.

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>>43530305
>Nobody has a problem with female Catachans.

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>>43517196
I always imagined that women joined when a firstborn son couldn't - for instance, if there was no firstborn son, or if the firstborn son died in his service in the planet's PDF hunting mutants or in a factory accident.

>>43530305
>Nobody has a problem with female Cadians, or female Catachans
I've seen threads where the unwashed /r9k/ smell was strong. On 4chan, there's always threads about how women (fictional or otherwise) should just stop and be cum dumps (but not to anybody else than this Anon or they're sluts and absolutely haram).

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>>43517196
ok

this is a change that affects none of you, since none of you will ever game with a woman, let alone be in the same room as a woman without her wanting desperately to leave

>>43525118
I somehow suspect they'll have crippling morale and cohesion issues from the massive casualties of the past five minutes whether women were among them or not. Which is fine, that's why you have another wave sent in.

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>>43517196

What the fuck ever.

Female knight pilots is all I want.

Oh and more female Eldar models, more torsos with tits and an obviously lady farseer would be great.

>>43528694
>Sisters of Battle. Nobody's demanding them to be more exclusive with male members. Go fuck yourself, you fuck.
I'd be OK with Sisters of Battle being redone as unisex if they're added as a set of Chapters of the Space Marines. Which, of course, would require female Space Marines.

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>>43528694

Sisters armies take males priests. Also the Inquisition, Guard, and Ecclesiarchy retainers they role with every day are at least partly male.

>>43531475
So just remove Sisters from the game entirely? Because that's what you're doing.

>inb4 "GW already did that"

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>>43531365
>Female knight pilot
I'm down.

>>43531516
Anon, are you being a potato on purpose or were you just born that way?

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>>43528952
>>43528863

/tg/'s immune system to trolls these days is just to have one big bait thread to tie up the shitposters, like the Imperium's strategy to use Cadia to act as a magnet for chaotic breakouts from the eye of terror.

>>43531911
I see an unclean mutant on pic. Inq. is underway.

>>43517196
That's kinda stupid, as it conflicts seriously with their theme. Not only they are Firstborn SONS, the Muscovy influence also says "nay" to that. The idea of female Space Streltsy lights up my Russian anus.

One important thing lot of people ITT are missing despite of how obvious it is - Vostroyans are conscripted ON THE BASIS OF BEING THE FIST BORN CHILD. HALF OF ALL FIRSTBORNS ARE FEMALE. VOSTROYAN FORCES ARE NOW INSTANTLY HALF-FEMALE, unless we assume that Motherfucking Lex Imperialis (with additional overtones of Russian cruelty) give leeway to firstborn girls, providing them with a choice in matter, which again ruins the theme.

I just find it rather dumb that FFG had to add female guardsmen to ONE army with the recruitment principle that makes it impossible to have "some girls", either 50% or 0%.

>>43517196
>who wish to don bearskin hats and speak like they're in Red October.
Why would anyone want to do that?

>my butt burns
If it upsets you that other people want to enjoy your hobby, you should really ask yourself why you enjoy it in the first place.

>>43531911
More of this?

Anons, did you ever opened the Bible?
Did you hear about That story about Abraham and sacrifice of his son Isaak?
Don't you see clear allusion?
If you see, you understand why there cannot be women in this regiment.

>>43519638
>Why is canon only sacred when it keeps women from coming into your boys only club?
Because girls are scary and letting them play will give me cooties.

>>43532030
>If it upsets you that other people want to enjoy your hobby, you should really ask yourself why you enjoy it in the first place.
Did you read with your chocolate eye? I didn't write such things.

>>43532143
>Because girls are scary and letting them play will give me cooties.
You are afraid of girls? You should visit a doctor.

>>43518074
>>43519590
>Yet nothing states that daughters can not join voluntary.
That's not how conscription works. If comrade Voencom CAN snatch your ass to put it in boots, he has no right to not do that. That's rigid law system for you, and I can't imagine a government with more rigid laws than Imperium.

Hell, voluntarily military service has only been a thing for about 50 years, and only for about 10% of the world population (and despite what people ITT say it sure as hell not eternal), in the scope of human history, it's a phenomenon more rare and exotic than mandatory genital piercings.

>>43531990
I keep reading this, but have no idea what your point is. Only thing I can can reply to is:
>Vostroyans are conscripted ON THE BASIS OF BEING THE FIST BORN CHILD.

With: >>43517486, >>43517409 and >>43517316

>>43532030
>If it upsets you that army you want to play doesn't do what you want it to do, you should really ask yourself why you enjoyed it in the first place.

FTFY

>>43532355
>I keep reading this, but have no idea what your point is
Sorry. English is my forth language.
The general point is.
>(The implementation of Vostroyan Guardswomen) is kinda stupid. If you are OP, I'm on your side of the argument.

>Only thing I can can reply to is
I did not argue for wording still allowing female draftees. I argued that the entire principle of Vostroyan recruitment makes the safe, comfortable status quo of "Yeah yeah there are some female Vostroyan Firstborns, we just don't happen to see them much" impossible. Firstbors can be either a boys-only club, or a literal example of forced 50/50 equality.

>>43517196
Who gives a shit about shitty slavs anyways? It's pretty clear that anyone that plays astra militarum is a WW fag in disguise, and is inferior to the glorious space wolves.

>>43532646
>VIKINGS! fag shits on history fags

Your dudes don't even have horns on their helmets.

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>>43532646
>"WW fags would LOVE an army with aesthetics of a real regiment from XVI century!"
Logic is strong with this one

>>43532276
But the doctor is a girl, anon! How can I trust her?

>>43532319
>That's not how conscription works.
You do know that even when a country does conscription, you can join up of your own accord, right?

>>43532355
>FTFY
I was more pointing out that if people are afraid of things being changed to be more welcoming to women that they should ask themselves why. If you like something, it's not unreasonable to assume others will like it as well. "They allow girls as well so you girls can play too" is not unreasonable. Nothing in this thread seems to imply that the Vostroyan Guard is known PRIMARILY for it's monosexism.

>>43532646
Why would a White Wolf fan want to play shitty WWII soldiers that are too dumb to realistically function? Or do you mean a different WW that I'm just not picking up?

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>>43532673
No, because we are cooler than "historical" vikings, and have wolf pelts instead.

>>43532750
I said astra militarum idiot, not firstborn in particular. It's still the historical appeal that draws in players for the Vostroyans though.

>>43532819
>WW=World War

>>43532855
I'd thought maybe that's what it meant when i typed WWII, but... I don't think I've ever seen anyone just say "WW" without adding a I or II.

>>43532876
It would have been awkward to put it in like that, and writing it out as world "World Wars" would make is sound like it was an actual brand.

>>43532825
>historical vikings had horns

Sorry to break it to you, bro.

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>>43531365

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>>43532962
Does it really matter? They sure as hell didn't have these bitchin wolf pelts.

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Female pilot you say?

>>43532819
>I was more pointing out that if people are afraid of things being changed to be more welcoming to women that they should ask themselves why.

Anon, you're not asking it to be more inclusive or welcoming to women. You're letting women to use the men's bathroom and then asking why people have a problem with it and why we hate women and want to shut them out.

NOTHING stops women from joining the Guard. You can have women in any number of regiments, you can have all female regiments. But the moment there's one regiment that isn't inclusive, you have to change that, all because of some ideology. You cannot find a single woman who has wanted to make a Vostroyan character and got upset that she couldn't. You're making up a scenario where it MIGHT happen. And that's what's problematic. Not that it's wrong or that someone's upset, but because it just doesn't jive with your ideology.

>Nothing in this thread seems to imply that the Vostroyan Guard is known PRIMARILY for it's monosexism.

It's called the fucking Vostroyan FIRSTBORN. It's literally in their title. The Firstborn sons of the planet.

>>43533048
Can't claim to be cooler than those lame historically accurate vikings, when you don't even have horns on your helmets.

>>43533080
>firstborn daughters

>>43533133
Said no fluff piece ever. But nice try.

>>43532906
"World War fags" sounds just as awkward as "WW fags". Both are dumb and just feel... grammatically incorrect. I mean, even beyond using "fag" still. It just doesn't have good... "flow", I guess?

>It's pretty clear that anyone that plays astra militarum is a WW fag in disguise
I mean, I guess it's because on 4chan "fag" is like the -an in American, or the -er in Carpenter. I mean, I guess in the case of, like, "White Wolf fag" or "Games Workshop fag" it could be read as "fan", and that's a little more grammatical, but...

"World War fag" doesn't really make any sense. Although I guess that's mostly because I don't really see the World Wars as a thing you can be a "fan" of. It's not really a hobby or community. I mean, "Vikingfag" doesn't seem like it would mean "fan of vikings" so much as "one who is a viking".

>/tg/: meme linguistics.

>>43533048
Space marines wearing wolf pelts is dumb, though. Wearing a wolf pelt is only cool because killing a wolf is a challenge. It's not a challenge when you're a technologically advanced space marine.

>>43533080
I know Warhammer is shit, but comparing it to a men's room is a bit silly.
>You cannot find a single woman who has wanted to make a Vostroyan character and got upset that she couldn't.
How do you know? That's exactly what happened if we take OP's butthurt whining quote at face value. Female gamers wanted to be Firstborn, FFG changed it to allow them. Or clarified that they could. Plus I've seen porn of it, so there's that, too.
>You're making up a scenario where it MIGHT happen.
You're assuming it hasn't, but even then, so? It doesn't matter. It effects literally nothing.

>It's called the fucking Vostroyan FIRSTBORN.
You are aware that not every child born first has a penis, right? I mean, that's why there are jokes about firstborn Chinese girls getting thrown in the river.

>>43533167
"Sons" isn't in the title, bitch, so your argument is fucking retarded.

>>43533167
Actually a few people in this thread have pointed out there are. But beyond that "Firstborn" doesn't mean "firstborn son only".

>>43533168
Vikingfag is often used in the connotation of vikingboo, as there is no real vikings alive. Another example is that greekfag could either be a reference to "pay dents" or to a greekboo, a lover of ancient greece, depending on the situation it is used. By WWfag, I was mostly talking about WW tabletop hobbyists, and was saying that their tastes are corrupting the fanbase of 40k through the astra militarum.

Honestly, I was b8ing, and proved the retards shitposting in this thread (probably IGfags) are a bunch of autists that can't properly respond to b8.

>>43533168
>comparing it to a men's room is a bit silly.

You're the one who's saying that people don't want women to play because one regiment is made up of dudes only. Fuck you and your potato ideology.

>How do you know?

Well, can you find a women who wanted to make a female Vossie, couldn't and got upset about it?

>take OP's butthurt whining quote at face value.

That's your problem, anon. You never asked if the quote is legit. You never asked for any evidence. You just took it as truth automatically and went on this white knight crusade over a troll post. Not because someone was actually hurt, but because of the idea that somebody might be.

>You're assuming it hasn't

No proof. The moment you can find some actual cases, we'll talk. But so far you're only talking hypotheticals.

>It effects literally nothing.

Just like Vossies being all male. No one is affected by it, until you can prove otherwise. And I mean really affected by it, not this fucking "I don't like that there's this thing, even if it doesn't affect my life in any way, so I must tweet about it to no end" type of effect.

>You are aware that not every child born first has a penis, right?

Read the thread >>43517316
Read the fluff >>43517409
And fuck off, retard >>43517486

>I mean, that's why there are jokes about firstborn Chinese girls getting thrown in the river.

I wouldn't know any, because I don't find it funny.