NFL General: Color Rush edition

Jets could win a game

The AFC East is
W I D E
O P E N

>>76587622
now you're talking crazy

Jags will win the division

>>76587622
I doubt it

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>>76587688
>jasg winning the div
>those 8s

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Seahawks!

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Post here if your team will win a superb owl at home this season
>not so fast everyone else

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>>76587871
>Vikeks
>Owl

HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA

*breaths in *

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>76587734
>that 4th and 1 stop

>>76587871
>implying the queens will even make the owl
>implying the queens will make the NFCCG
>implying the queens will win their div

>>76587734
>the Seahawks window is closing quickly
>nobody will realize till 2025 because the division is such a joke

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>>76587921
>>76587942
Cap it you faggot redditors

>>76587995
no

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>>76588001
Yes my black friend

>>76587995
Yall said you were the 1985 bears last year. Look what happened.

>>76588009
>Yall said you were the 1985 bears last year
Literally nobody said that

>>76588009
http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/NFLN-85-Bears-vs-16-Vikings-Defenses/3a2045ef-3039-4ea7-b13c-0233c1675f04

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>Gronk played like 6 games last year
>still ranked higher than Girl Thomas and Rustle Wilshit on NFL top 100

Sherman barely beat him out top laff

Seashitters eternally cucked by the BWC

>>76587390
>CHI:Bears' Kevin White (leg) 'back to full speed'
hell go on IR in the second week of regular season. dudes a mess and didnt even look good at OTAs

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>“Currently, Denver has 10 starting players on its roster with a $5 million per year or more cap charge, and 28 players above $1 million,” Lombardi writes. “They have only four backups making more than a million—which includes Donald Stephenson, a free agent last year who started initially at right tackle before being benched during the year, and Jamaal Charles, who signed a nonguaranteed, incentive-based contract that could earn him $2.5 million this year.

>“By bringing Manning to Denver, the Broncos copied Bill Polian’s Indianapolis Colts spending model: rely on a few elite players with expensive contracts and fill in the rest with draft choices. Once Manning left Indy, we saw how badly this method worked for the Colts. History is repeating itself.”

>>76587958
>the division is such a joke
lolwut??

>>76587734
I thought that full lime green colour was going to look stupid, but when they're swarming your team that colour makes it even more terrifying.

>>76587221

There's a lot of projection with the Falcons. If it was a video game then they're stacked since there should be no reason for an offensive drop off plus the young players on defence should improve and get better being another year experienced.

But it's highly unlikely the offence remains in the same stratosphere as last year unless they're this generation's GSOT. Some of the young defensive players will not improve or struggle next year or some of the vets may have down years.

>>76589670

in the thumbnail it looks like Brady's standing next to the trashman meme

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Is it autistic for a non-American to wear this outside America?

>>76592909
it's akin to treason

>>76592909
it's pretty autistic desu

if you really like the US and it's military than I say follow your autism

there are already enough normalfags around

>>76592909

Yes

And for Americans to wear that inside America too.

>there are people in this thread that think Denver wont go ATLEAST 10-6 this year

>>76593252
iirc they had by far the hardest schedule last season

>>76592909
Shit like that makes doesn't show you as a fan, it shows you as an employee.

>BREAKING: Falcons sign Kevin Durant to $80 million dollar contract

It's over now boys. The league is FUCKED

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>>76589833
>caring about an out of division team
>the city of (You)

I'm still laffin tho

>>76593321
AFCW schedules were relatively easy (AFC and NFC South) last year. This year they're legendarily hard (AFC and NFC East)

>>76593252
>Cowboys
>Patriots
>Chiefs (at least once, possibly twice)
>Raiders (at least once, possibly twice)
>Giants
>Dolphins

There's six teams that'll beat Denver, either with powerful running games that'll shit on the broncos' ass run D (DAL, OAK, MIA) or with defenses that'll completely lock down their awful offense (NYG, KC, NE)

>>76587622
Maybe in the preseason

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Thank you based Carr

>>76594764
>Giants
>dolphins
Neither of those teams will win more than 7 games

>>76595829
And neither will the buncos

>>76589866
Are you seriously trying to argue that the cards, rams and 49ers are competitive?

>>76595893
Ok that's alright because I'm not a broncos fan

>>76594764

Last season was a fluke from Gaiders. Lynch will take atleast 5 or 6 games to even get going and Carr is made of glass. Paxton has been working on his accuracy and with that Cannon arm of his, DT and Sanders will be a force to be reckoned with this year. CJ Anderson will be like a new player. We will simply outscore teams and our ass run D won't mean shit. Cap it.

>>76590731
You have to account for teams catching up to their offense too.

>>76588009
When you say y'all that implies fans. You linked to some retarded hack clickbait. It would never occur to a normal person to make a comparison like that. That's like when you and your faggot friends debate Star Trek vs. Star Wars

>BREAKING: Texans sign Jason Avant to 1 year contract w/ heavy incentives

>>76598206
Le incentives meme
This needs to stop it is bad for players

>>76598573
how?

you do a good job and you make more money

perfectly fair

>>76598573
maybe it's bad for bad players, but for non-scrubs it's great

>>76598698
Most players never reach the incentive laden part. It's pretty agreed on that the NFL PA is easily the worst out of all the sports. Incentive heavy contracts are one of the reasons

>>76598698
Now contracts will be structured in a way they weren't before
Gms can hold performance in over their head in previous systems let's say a 800yard receiver could ask for 5 million a year even if they have injury issues and shit
Now, there will be like 3 million + 3 million in incentives still getting 6 but now the player can get fucked over
Think of it as less than guaranteed money
Players benefit from guaranteed money owners GM's hate it
Other way around, players don't benefit from variable payday, GMs and owners do
This is from a contract value standpoint


In related news

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000816079/article/ryan-shazier-wants-cba-changes-for-rookie-deals
This needs to be implemented
Players like Odell or Zach Martin who come out swinging all pro and are stuck on their pansy ass 4 year $10 million contract plus 10 for the 5th year option is so shit for the player.

Maybe let players who have been to x amount of probowls renegotiate their rookie deal

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>>76598160

>>76599321
To be fair most of those aren't talking about bears and of the ones that are most are responding to that retarded clickbait stuff.
In other news, why would you collect Vikings posts dude? You a little obsessed?

>>76598573
With Jason Avant it will be good for both sides. Less risk for the GM and Jason has the talent to make good anyway.

>>76599038
It's better than paying outright for lacking productivity

>>76587958
The cards were in the NFCCG just two seasons ago. Also, do you really expect-all those franchises to remain bad for eight years? Did you just start watching football? Congrats on a really fucking stupid post.

>>76599299
I don't feel sorry for millionaires especially if they bitch about something they agreed to

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What do you think?

>>76587734
Wagner is a monster holy shit

People like to talk about Kuechly but Wagner has been a stud as well

>>76600510
>saints
>not 7-9

>>76599521
Anyone who has been watching the sport long enough could tell there 5-0 start was a fluke and they would crash and burn.

>>76600510
>jets
>winning a game

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Post YFW Kaep gets shot by the police for his bullshit

>>76593252

See

>>76589833

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>>76601438

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>>76601438

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>>76601438

>>76598206
Literally slower than the o linemen at this point

How do you guys think the saints will do this year? will they do better than 7-9? Did they add any D this year?

>>76601438
>helping kids with fundraising and a summer camp
>donates a lot of his money to charity
>but he kneel during MUH ANTHEM so he deserves to be shot

fuck off

>>76599299
i don't care what they are paid it means nothing to me

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>>76601438

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>>76596215
>He still thinks the huge arm quarterback that can't read a defense is gonna develop into a quality starter
Every time

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>>76600510
>ANY NFCN team
>going above 8-8

>>76603715
I mean Big Ben has become much better at working through progressions over the year.

its very hard but not impossible, unfortunately, Lynch is dumb as a brick

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>>76604338
the NFCN has sent a wildcard 7 of the last 8 seasons
I dont know why idiots rag on them like they are the AFCS or something

>>76603715
Stafford was "fuck it I'm going deep" tier for most of his career

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>shitposting on /nfl/ live from the Oakland-Yankees game

Free wifi is comfy desu

Bucs get 12 wins HYPE

>>76604521
because for the most part it's been packers win lol

bears are depressingly dysfunctional and the vikings/lions seem to thrive in mediocrity at the moment(which is actually an upgrade for the lions)

>>76604550
he still is

>>76602210
More than likely 7-9 again anon. Then Bree's will retire and Peyton will probably jump ship to coach somewhere else. Afterwards Saints will be back to jets/jags level of maybe 3 win seasons. Enjoy it while it lasts anon.

>>76604853
>implying the Drew Brees Retirment tour isn't making a stop in Houston

>>76604839
maybe but he has a much more balanced arsenal and isn't brain dead anymore

watched the first half of last Super Bowl last night. ( fell asleep in the beginning of 2nd)

i loved Falcons's run back. he was pretty good. Tom Brady was a ghost whole half. i liked Edelman most from Pats in first half. i dont think i am ready enough to rate defensive players yet. they all looked same to me.

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>>76604681
What football team do you root for?

>>76604724
9-7 at best

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>>76605218
Lions fan on vacation, no skin in the game

>>76605341
You got some good weather this weekend

>>76605192
>he didn't watch the comeback

You missed the best part, roach

>>76600524
>anyone on the seahawks not being extremely overrated

The shanty town Seattle everyone

>>76605362

i fell asleep. i will watch the rest today.

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>>76601438
I hope he's wearing a dashiki too

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>>76605380
Nah it's chill. That went from being the worst to best Super Bowl in record time.

It sucked until the 4th quarter.

Who will win the NFC East and why will it be the Cowboys?

>>76605433

what is best Super Bowl for a guy like me who never seen a full NFL match before?

>>76605455
Super Bowl XLIII

>>76605455
Super Bowl XLIII, Cardinals-Steelers. Great game.

>>76605475
>>76605478

>same reply in the same time

confirmed goat Super Bowl. watching it tomorrow. first i gotta see Pats comeback.

is Devonta Freeman really good?

>>76605500
Hrs solid, yet not elite

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Richard: 83 carries 492 yards 5.9 YPC

>>76605500
The NFL youtube channel has the full game, if you don't wanna be spoiled don't read the comments and the description.

>>76605455

>>76605455

50

>GOAT defense
>GOAT QB riding off into the sunset
>Scam getting his ass beat and subsequently chimping out
>the good guys winning

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>>76605540
Washington: 87 carries 467 yards 5.4 YPC

When did you realize the Raiders back field will be God-Like this year?

>>76605566
Good storyline but boring game desu

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>>76605788

>>76605455
Giants vs patriots 1. Watching that smug patriots team fall apart still gets me hard. The sequel is great too.

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>yfw da bears win da superb owl

>>76607068
vintage meme

>>76608615
ISP banned from making threads because of honouring a dead man. They do it for free.

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What's with Cowboys fans and their obsession with Danny Phantom?

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>tfw only slept 2 hours last night
>tfw kaep is still unemplyed
>tfw have to see stats monday
>tfw penguins won the stanley cup

what is /nfl/'s opinion of this man? personally I like him

>>76587622
Week 5 is gonna be a great game. Browns-Jets. Only game Jets could possibly win, and they most likely won't.

>>76605455
43 was for my money the best one start to finish
last year's was some incredible meme fuel
1, 2, 31, or 45 because my team won

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bi-monthly reminder that Jordy Nelson led the NFL in receiving yards the 2nd half of 2016 and will be putting up elite numbers late into his 30s

already proved he can be an elite slot guy whenever he stops being one of the leagues best targets on the perimeter

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>Yfw he finally beats Belicheat

>>76610280
Only if it's during the regular season.

Who will the Patriots sacrificial lamb be in 2017?

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The 2017-18 Cowboys Checklist:
>Top 10 run D
>Top 5 offense
>Top 15 secondary
>28+ ppg
>10+ wins
>2500+ rushing yards
>1st place in Division
>Playoff win(s)
>6+ probowlers
>a ROTY candidate/winner
>Dez 1000+ yards 10+ touchdowns
>Dak 3600+ yards 30+ touchdowns <7 INTs 67.9+ cmp%
>Taco 7.5+ sacks
>Secondary combines for 12+ interceptions and 70+ defended passes

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:thinking:

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>>76610305
>cowcucks

>>76610483
Brady has 5 rings

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>>76610504
is there a more JUST player

>>76610483
rodgers is the second most wasted talent in the league after JJ watt tbqh

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>>76610547
No.

>>76610535
Peyton, Rodgers or Brees would have at least 3 rings if they had beli for 16~ years
actually the first three would kinda be a given for those 3 considering their baseline of play shits on pre-2007 Brady
maybe Peyton would fuck it up somehow but Brees and Rodgers have been pretty consistent in the playoffs

Wasn't a fan at the time but what was /sp/like when Winston's first ever pass was a pick-6? I can only imagine the amount of Orson's.

>>76610736
Brees and Rodgers maybe but Peyton was too much of a choker

>>76610736
I agree, but I can say with full confidence that no other player other than Joe Montana could have done what Brady did against the Falcons. It may have been a big choke, but most guys would've been so deflated. Not Brady.

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>>76610585
>>76610504
>>76610547
post more dez

>>76610909
>most guys would've been so deflated
nah brady just had the balls deflated so he wouldnt have to be xd

>>76610988
Does deflating balls help you cling to the ball? All I remember from that game against the Colts was the Pats pounding the rock.

>>76610818
That was like a 1 pm game between two small market teams so not many people saw it

>>76611017
it makes it easier to hold on to and grip

>>76611031
Damn. It seems funny as hell that the 1st pick in the draft threw a pick-6 on his first ever throw, but props to Crab legs for not getting mentally destroyed.

Reminder that the Bucs will win the division this year

>>76611096
Is that supposed to be impressive?

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r8 my way too early prediction
>in the owl the patriots seal the win after Bennett drops what would be an easy go-ahead touchdown catch late in the 4th quarter on a 4th & goal and everyone in wisconsin goes bananas thinking he's still loyal to billy or something and he's driven out of town a la brandon bostick. owl score 28-24 patriots
>brady rides off into the sunset, satisfied that he's finally defeated rodgers and solidified his place as the GOAT

>>76611624
>giants number 2 seed
Into the trash it go's

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>>76610909
>muh clutch and narratives
don't get me wrong, what Brady did was amazing but playing great for 4 qrts is just as effective. in fact it's much better because you don't have to rely on things happening that are out of your control as a QB.
thankfully for Brady he is one of the games if not the games most consistent QB and safest.

on a side not Rodgers had almost identical points/possession in the 2nd half @atlanta as Brady did in LI.
maybe that's just garbage-time numbers because while the Patriots blanked Atlanta for almost 30 minutes the Packers defense wasn't able to get a stop until the last 2 minutes which the packers backup played because the game was already lost.

another note from an intoxicated rodgersfag: Rodgers has thrown one pick-six in his career. it was on a pass tipped by his receiver and it's the only time sneak has seen Rodgers play. he set the record for most passes attempted without a pick-six like 2 years ago and going strong.

>>76611863
Is Rodgers, dare I say it, a good QB?

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>>76611900
he just might be tho

>>76611624
terrible

>>76612270
lol u mad

>>76611624
These predictions are always so lazy

>almost every team that made the playoffs last year plus one or two teams that also had winning records last year

>>76612352
>>76612352
>>almost every team that made the playoffs last year plus one or two teams that also had winning records last year
you mean like how it usually goes every year?

>>76611624
Packers are like 3-1 against beli+brady when their starting QB isnt dead

>>76611863
>maybe that's just garbage-time numbers
just as fair an argument against the patriots because the falcons secondary completely ran out of gas shutting down a historic passing game for 3 quarters

>>76612371
Lol in 2015

Cowboys were 4-12
Raiders were 7-9
Falcons were 8-8
Lions were 7-9
Dolphins were 6-10
Giants were 6-10

All of them made the playoffs in 2016

Get fucked newfag

>>76587734
LMAO that rasms color rush game.

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>Saskatchewan Roughriders release QB Vince Young

>>76614231
2006 NFL Rookie of the year

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8 hour lapse of conscious existence.
existence might as well be conceptual given the evident mass of all that be
death, pain, love, triumph is all encompassing and if your ego fancies.
what I stay here for. to the damned to the friends.
I'm here and i'm there man. I've been everywhere.

GO JAGS!
9-7

>>76614231
F

>>76589833
>Badly

Indy went 2-14 without Manning

Denver went 9-7

>>76614360
0-17 (they'll find a way)

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>>76587390
>when >your team's alternate unis are so cool the league makes every team adopt its aesthetic for prime time

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>When he became a free agent last year, defensive linemanAkiem Hickshad an offer to stay in New England. But he had a better offer to go to Chicago, and that’s the one he took.

>As it turned out, he played for a three-win team in Chicago, whereas he would have a Super Bowl ring if he had stayed in New England.

Chase the paper jew, no ring for you

Eat shit

>>76614349
Who was ROTY last year?

>>76615684
Dak

>>76615151

I don't think he had any delusions about his chances in Chicago, but you have to consider how much you value a ring.

He made 1.5 million the year before in NE & NO and then 5 million in Chicago.

In a hypothetical where NE isn't giving you a raise, would you rather get 3.5 million dollars or a super bowl ring?

>>76614787
>when your team shoots them selves in the parking lot

>>76614231
Man, you used to be able to build a dynasty out of that guy in Madden 08. Just do Pocket Prescence and get his accuracy up then after so many wins have a huge awareness boost. He was a monster

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>>76614231
Heres to every OKC team you captained that never existed

>BREAKING Jets sign Jason Avant to 2 year deal laden with incentives

>>76616147

I'd rather not play for Shitcongo

>>76605817
ITS going to be great watching the Raiders crash and burn this season
But seriously we can't let Marshawn Lynch get his hands on the football codes.

>No Taylor Decker for most of the season

>replaced with a bust

>Still no solidified players in any position except for Slay, Tate, and Quinn

>Tate's contract is almost up

And the spiral begins

Why are the names of black football players so fucking hilarious?

>D'brickashaw Ferguson
>HaHa Clinton-Dix
>Barkevius Mingo

>>76618268
Nigs think naming their kid the most absurd thing they can brings them closer to their African roots when it really just means their kids have stupid name

Met a niggress whose name was Cheeks, I kid you not

>>76618324

Backwards savages. We have muzzies, not sure who has the short straw desu.

>watching Superbowl 51
>Taylor Gabriel plays very good
>commentators says he was let go by Browns

what were we thinking?

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>there are people who unironically belive the bucs wont win the superbowl in 2017

>>76620259

why are Bucs so popular? they have many fans online. why is that?

>>76620100

They drafted a few rookie WRs that year which they didn't want to cut because it would just look like a wasted pick so they released TG instead

>>76620843

i guess they expected much from Higgins.

>>76611624
No Broncos = TRASH

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>Both Carr and Mariota have amazing O-lines and weapons on offense
>Yet they're immune to this criticism while it's all anybody can talk about concerning Dak

Why is this?

>>76621879
Nobody talks about them like they're already HoFers like cowcuck fans do with Dak. Outside of Fagageddon that is.

>>76622029
>Nobody talks about them like they're already HoFers like cowcuck fans do with Dak

Lel bullshit. Carr gets more acclaim than Dak does to the point that it's considered a crime to even suggest they're on the same level despite having comparable stats in 2016.

>>76622154
To be fair, Carr has more than one year of experience in the NFL.

>>76622154
>player who is legitimately one of the league's better QBs gets more praise than a rookie who had a good year on a stacked team
What's your fucking point?

>>76622174
So is Wentz, yet that doesn't stop people from genuinely thinking he'll be better than Dak next year just because he added a few weapons.

>>76622337
I have no idea why people are hyping Wentz to much, however.

That's just as premature as coronating Dak.

>>76600510
Are you expecting Brees to get injured?

>>76621879

Because dallas fans are by far the most obnoxious on /nfl/

>>76622311
Carr is the one young QB where there's a legitimate argument to putting him over Dak. If you tried to compare Mariota, Winston, or Wentz to Carr, you'd be laughed at. The same isn't true of comparing those QBs to Dak, despite his rookie year being miles better than anything those others have done.

>>76622414
Idk, the baltipoor shit posting can get pretty bad.

>>76622429
>Dak is better than Winston
This conversation is over, I don't speak to mouthbreathers.

There hasn't been a single decent QB entering tge league since Ryan got drafted back in 2008. Stafford, Newton, Winston, Mariota, Prescott, Carr, Luck, Bortles, all of these are literal fucking dogshit compared to the previous generation. QB talent is watering down at the speed of light and this will be even more obvious once Brady, Brees and Rodgers retire.

>>76622477
Winston is barely better than Josh Freeman. I don't understand the praise that nigger gets, his statistics are trash.

>>76622510
man people always think the quarterback position is weak

people thought it wouldn't be the same after Elway/Marino/Kelly/Young/Moon/Aikman all retired around the same time

Color rush is garbage.

>>76622510
Ryan wasn't even in the same conversation as Brady, Brees, and Rodgers until last year.

>all these reports about Jamal Adams already being a boss

I know these are most likely puff pieces but still hard not to be excited about this kid.

>>76622550
Not true. The late 90s already had Brett Favre and Peyton Manning, currently we have nothing for a decade. What QB drafted in the last 10 years do you think is an all time great, are Carr or Newton future Hall of Famers? Nigger please, the situation is so bad that literal crap players like Winston are considered superstars.

>>76600510
>he chose the busc to make the playoffs

>>76622650
>Carr was in the MVP conversation
>Dak had one of the best rookie years ever
>Wilson has a Super Bowl

The ironic part is had you made this same argument a year ago, it would have carried a lot more weight because the 1st 2 points wouldn't have happened yet.

>>76622650
Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson have done very well

it's retarded to say anything good or bad about anyone drafted 2014 and beyond since their career is so young but a few of them definitely look promising.

The only once in a lifetime quarterback of this gen is Brady, there will always be someone else to fill the void, and the passing stats keep going up each year, even in seasons where there were no rule changes.

>>76622744

It is far too early to consider any of these players to be great. I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

>>76622744
The fact a player like Carr was in the MVP conversation only reinforces my point.

>>76622754
>Andrew Luck
Top kek. He's the Archie Manning of the 2010s.

>>76622800
Brady was just a game manager in his first 3 Super Bowls. He would have been at best Aikman tier were it not for what he did after that.

>>76622650
If Newton wins a super bowl he's a lock for the Hall. Most dynamic QB in history.

>>76622754
Luck will never win anything. He will never even sniff the Super Bowl. Wilson would be nowhere if it weren't for that defense.

>>76622858
Newton is the new Randall Cunningham. He didn't even deserve that one MVP he got.

>>76622847
>Brady wouldn't be considered a great QB if we discounted the great seasons he had
Really makes you think

>>76622800
5 years into Wilson's career, I think it's time to acknowledge he's either elite or very close to it.
>>76622847
>Aikman Tier
so a lower tier hall of fame quarterback?
>>76622822
what exactly is your standard for a good quarterback

>>76622941
Wilson has decent stats and has the hardware, but do you think it's fair to mention him in the same sentence as Brady or even Brees?

>>76622941
>good quarterback
I wasn't talking about good, I was talking about great. No QB drafted past 2008 is great, and mentioning fucking Andrew Luck of all people who hasn't excelled in anything other than interceptions is the apex of comedy.

>>76622941

This guy >>76622992, said it before I could. I feel football fans throw the "great" or "elite" tag around too frivolously.

>>76623091
Yeah, I noticed that people think "elite" is a synonym for "not complete shit". I've seen Flacco, Eli, Alex Smith and even mother fucking Tannehill described as "elite" on this board.

>>76622992
Obviously not but you're comparing a guy who's still in the middle of his career to two guys who's careers are mostly finished.

I don't think anyone will challenge Brady's career but there will be Brees tier hall of famers in the future.

>>76623018
All it takes is one year for things to change. If the Raiders play the Cowboys in the super bowl next year, what will you be saying then?

>>76622858
>t. negroid or someone born after the year 2000

>>76622908
Name the last team to win the SB without a good defense or good defensive play in the playoffs. No one can will a team to a ring without a good defense. Aaron Rodgers learned that this year. Brady in 2011.

>>76623091
man I agree with you that the term is used loosely but I truly feel like Russell Wilson is the most underrated quarterback in a long time.

He's been absurdly consistent, has never missed a start, has astounding efficiency numbers. IMO he put up mvp type numbers in 2015. I know he's had the elite defense his whole career but winning a playoff game every season of your career is still really impressive.

>>76623091
I feel like it's the fault of idiots who judge players based on potential rather than actual results. Ryan Leaf also had potential, is he great too?

>>76622588
I'd say he still isn't. He's had maybe two really elite seasons in his entire career and no rings, hardly enough for a HOF resume.

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>>76623294
I actually did a little look at this number wise

Made a table of every qb who started a minimum of 40 games from 2012-2016

Out of 26 Qualifiers

Wilson is 5th in TD %
7th in Int%
4th in Passer Rating
1st in Yards Per Attempt
Second in Wins

Mostly just hofers ahead of him on most of the stats

Reminder that outside of Russel Wilson, the most any of the young QBs have done in the playoffs was a semi-decent performance by Dak in a loss to the Packers last year.

None of them have even won a single playoff game.

Can someone, preferably not a Bucs/FSU fan, tell me what's so great about Jameis Winston? After two years I see shitty stats and no playoff seasons and whenever I watch him he doesn't impress me with any aspect of his play despite being surrounded by some solid talent. I literally cannot comprehend the hype, I understand what people see in Carr etc but with Winston there's just nothing there.

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>have arguably the most talented quarterback ever to play the game
>only 1 ring and 1 owl appearance because he's constantly on teams with lmaonodefense

>>76623918
Maybe they should do something about that?

>>76623812
hes only 23 and the bucs are finally starting to win more games with him than they used to.

Hes been average his first two years but I think it's reasonable to expect he'll keep making leaps forward.

>>76623639
>semi-decent

Dak was downright great in that game. The defense blew it.

>>76623812
I don't know either. I guess he sort of stands out from his peers with his Favre-esque playmaking. But I wouldn't consider him consistently good by any stretch.

>>76624012
>Josh Freeman's 2nd season
3,451 yds, 25 TDs, 6 INTs, 61.4% completed passes, 95.9 passer rating, 10-6 record

>Jameis Winston's 2nd season
4,090 yds, 28 TDs, 18 INTs, 60.8% completed passes, 86.1 passer rating, 10-6 record

>3,509 yards 19 TDs 14 INTs 52.9 %
>6-10
>Ranked #44 in NFL top 100

What a joke. If any other QB had these number they wouldn't even sniff the top 100. Having a media personality goes a long way I guess.

>>76615151
A ring is nice, but in the end money is more important given they are going to get fucked up no matter what.

"Here's my SB ring I will have to pawn off in 15 years when I am a homeless drug addict with brain disease because I took a $300k deal instead of a $5 million with a shittier team."

>>76623918

After the Xehawks blew out Denver in SB48, Elway went out and spent big money on D. Defence wins championships isn't just a fun saying. Green Bays problems are their own doing.

>>76615151
What >>76624423 said is correct. Would you rather work for a successful company for less money or a less successful company for way more money?

>>76624358
Yes Freeman had a really good second year, sometimes bad quarterbacks have good years

RG3 had a better rookie year than Luck, we both saw how that turned out

>>76624582
>RG3 had a better rookie year than Luck, we both saw how that turned out
They're both dogshit so not sure what you're hinting at.

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>>76624084
>The defense blew it.
I wouldn't call it blowing it so much as rodgers just being unfair, cook making an insane catch, and crosby being clutch as fuck
>you now remember crosby made TWO 50+yard field goals within 3 real minutes of each other

>>76624491
ye also the entire team completely shitting the bed in atlanta last year doesn't help
also if brandon bostick had a fucking brain it would be 2 owl appearances and possibly another owl.

>>76624611
okay then you're just shitposting and I don't even like Luck

LITTLE PEA

>>76623257
Patriots last year
Patriots in 2015

>>76624905
they were the #1 scoring defense

nice meme though

>>76624905
>Patriots
>not a good defense
Are you on crack? They were #1 in points and top 10 in yards.

>>76624924
That gave up 30+ points in 3 quarters.

If ATL wasn't retarded and ran the ball like two more times, it would have been a victory. They did Tom Brady no favors, it wasn't the defense that won them a SB. It was better in 2015 and the defense DID when the SB that year, but definitely not this previous team.

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The San Francisco 49ers are winning 3 games this year and there's nothing you can do to stop them!

>>76625250
>They did Tom Brady no favors,

I remember they made serval key stops including a Hightower sack that won them the game. If the Patriots defense let Atlanta score a single point after that touchdown in the third quarter the Patriots lose. And conversely if the Atlanta defense managed to stop the Patriots scoring one single time after that same point Atlanta wins. The Atlanta defense shit the bed and the Patriots defense rallied. Everyone like to focus on Tom Brady but if he was stopped just once even if they stopped one of the two point conversions then bam the game would have been over.

>>76625250
LOL >gave up 30+ points

it was 28, and the fact that you're actually blaming the defense for Brady's Pick 6 shows how moronic pat fans are.

the Pats defense shut down what was a historic falcons offense in the fourth quarter and without the forced fumble they would have not won.

For comparison Pats defense allowed 21, Seahawks defense allowed 36, and packers defense allowed 44

>>76625503
>I remember they made serval key stops including a Hightower sack that won them the game
((((after they gave up 28 points in 3 quarters))))

>>76625539
Yes and? They came up clutch in the fourth quarter when it mattered. Tom Brady could not have won that game without the defense's stellar performance in the later parts of the game. Full stop.

>>76592909
Thats a nice hoodie

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there's one thing i'll definitely miss, now that the Falcons are an elite team

it's the thrill of winning, just winning alone, no matter how inconsequential and frivolous the game may be. you guys know what i mean?

i mean, i'm looking ahead to next season against the bears and i don't even care. it's already another win in my mind. i'm not crowding my mind with pointless projections for exactly how the Falcons are going to btfo of a stupidly named team and their meme dlman (Chicago Bears though? really). i'm thinking big picture: playoffs, superbowls, and dynasties.

not if, but when

and only "how" when asking "how many"

old me would be salivating at the mere prospect of keeping the game close and not getting humiliated. present me doesn't even consider the Bears, and most other teams in the league desu, a worthy foe for the Falcons

Last year, Quinn, the players, fans, and everyone was going crazy just because they narrowly beat a sloppy Packers team

today, i feel nothing

a win? just dump it among the rest. find a spot.

just another bump in the road, crack in the path

and i feel

nothing

sorry guys i didn't want to get all depressive and deep but i can feel the weight of having an elite team and it's a terrifying monotony desu

>>76625463
it would be 5 wins if they kept Kaep

>>76625891
>now that the Falcons are an elite team

Don't worry it's pretty clear that the Falicons are headed for a Panthers tier post Super Bowl implosion soon. You can enjoy your mediocrity in peace.

>>76625891
>Falcons are an elite team
One trip to the Superbowl =/= elite team. Were the Panthers also elite in 2016?

>>76625891
>Falcons
>literally 50 years of no rings
>faggot already thinking about dynasties

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>yfw da bears win daa superb owl

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>>76627314
stop shitposting my >tfw no gf threads desu lad

>>76622029
>Nobody talks about them like they're already HoFers like cowcuck fans do with Dak.
Haven't heard any talk like that even around here i think you making things up

>>76622029
Cowtard fans are generally delusional as fuck. For a decade they've been hyping up Romo as a HoF caliber talent that will win multiple Superbowls, then over a single preseason they flip the switch and start calling him an injured piece of loser shit and hyping up Dak instead.

>>76625891

today i finished my first full NFL game. your Super Bowl against Pats. i never seen such a bad choke desu. i bet you won't see another Super Bowl in next 10 years.

>>76623623
he's too short to be HOF

>>76625891
>blowing a 28-3 lead
>elite
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
have fun getting stomped out of the best division in the league next season

>>76627433
Excuse me?

>>76614787
It's genuinely the worst uniform combination the chiefs have

Red/white > white/red > white/white (red socks) > white/white (white socks) > red/red

>>76602210

End of the 7-9 streak, challenge for a wildcard

>>76632454
>Bucs pulling it together
>Panthers hangover done
>Falcons should at least be decent
Saints are going 5-11

>>76625635
so Brady AND the Defense came up clutch in the 4th Quarter. Who can stop them?

>>76625635
Brady had 5 drives he had to perform perfectly on.. just to have a fucking chance at two 2 point conversions

In the fucking Super Bowl Brady has had the top 2 fourth quarter comebacks in NFL history

>>76632895
Is Tom Brady, dare I say it, an OK starting QB?

>>76632731

Saints look pretty stacked offensively and it's projection but they look like they shored up some weak spots on defence with Marshon Lattimore, Marcus Williams and Anzalone in the draft. AJ Klein is a solid LB they signed too.

The decision with Nick Fairley is going to have a big impact on the level of the defence.

>>76620359
Idk honestly

Bit right now they are the most popular team in florida

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>>76617568
>the elite offense is virtually unchanged
>major defensive holes (CB, S, DC) were addressed in the offseason
>b-b-but they're gonna fall apart, guys!

ABRaiders are so delusional, kek.

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Four days until Football comes back

>>76620359
Bandwagoners latching on to an up-and-coming elite offense.

>>76634330
>Canadians
ehh, I'll take it

>>76612394
Flynn almost won in Foxborough too. We really need a Rodgers vs Brady super bowl already.

>>76634330
I dont know anything about the cfl but im gonna watch the bc lions

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>>76625891
>all these newfriends don't know a classic pasta

>>76634820
I still haven't picked a team. I love the name REDBLACKS, but I'm leaning towards the Roughriders.

We need an American CFL team.

>>76632731
>muh hangover
there was no hangover. It's just that they weren't as good as 15-1 made them seem. They had a harder schedule in 2016, and many of the things that made them good in 2015 didn't return. If there was any hangover it was just Cam being lazy after a great season. I hate vague reasons like this when people make predictions

>>76632993
I agree with this. Saints should put together a decent season and be in playoff consideration

1. Falcons 11-5
2. Saints 10-6
3. Bucs 10-6
4. Panthers 6-10

>>76634330

Go T-Cats

>>76634958
Falcons will regress. There offense played at a level that won't be sustainable

>>76635083
Their defense will be better though and make up for any offensive deficiency (if there is any). They'll regress some, but I don't expect their offense to regress that

>>76635200
>Falcons defense
>better
kek
yeah they'll go from dreadful to barely passable, good improvement

>>76635259
If their defense last year was dreadful then I'm excited for barely passable

>>76635259
yeah and their all-time great offense will be complete shit a year later because kek

>>76635259
They had a bunch of rookies that performed very well, I can see Deion Jones and Beasly becoming much better over a year

I think their defense will improve to slightly below average or average but their offense will regress to maybe #5 or so

>>76635327
I didn't say anything about their offense

Let's completely picture the best case scenario and say that Sidney Jones recovers 100%, what is his ceiling in the league?

I imagine him and Lattimore being at the top of a loaded CB draft means pro-bowl potential isn't an overstatement right?

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>>76635886
his ceiling is around Marcus Peters
its not, if its a full recovery and he plays at the level he was projected to he should

>>76624358
Bucs had a cupcake schedule that season

How long until football, damnit?!

>>76624905
Delusional Pats fag

>Paul Kuharsky @PaulKuharskyNFL

>The #Titans have agreed to terms with WR Eric Decker on a one year contract

How do we stop the Titans offense?

>>76636697
Is it laden with incentives like Jason Avant's deal?

Who #MITB here?

>>76636802
You don't, we SB bound. Davis, Decker, Taylor, and Matthews gonna drag their nuts over the AFC. Then Henry and Murray are going to go balls deep.

>>76637009
Wow, a Titans delusion shitpost, these are rare

1. Titans
2. Texans
3. Jaguars
4. Colts

>>76637120
Won 9 games last year, keeping all key players and addressed all of our weak points in the draft and FA. AFC South is weak AF and we should have easily won last year.

>>76634934
which team is closest to the border?

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Huh? Don't mind me, just an elite Quarterback passing through

Anyone know if there is a database with every players contract going back decades? The furthest back I found was to 2011.

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>>76637587
W-wait for me, boss

Daily reminder oldgay is a faggot

>>76637334
Why does Mariota get no love? I sometimes forget the dude is in the league, yet his stats are better than Winston's

>>76638106
He's a game manager. Very good one, but he's just doing enough right now. Basically a more mobile Alex Smeth who's a god in the redzone.

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>>76638096

>>76638117
>More mobile Alex Smith
Confirmed for not watching Alex Smith play

>>76638106
Because he plays for a team most people forget exists half the time

>>76638198
Mariota is the fastest starter in the league isn't he?