NFL GENERAL: Quitters Edition

First for Romo to Denver

Teams likely to keep up their progress from the previous season, excluding the Patriots.

Falcons
Seahawks
Raiders
Texans
Redskins
Lions
Packers

>>74308282
>packers
>progress

ahahahahahaha

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How will the Vikings do next season?

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Stillers

>>74308437
9-7 heartbreaking late season loss eliminates them from playoffs.

>>74308242
>"Quitters Edition"
>posts Megatron
>not DeAndre Levy

Posted the wrong Lion there, OP. There's a difference between someone who is too hurt to play anymore and someone who no longer cares about the sport and just wants to collect a paycheck.

>>74308437
NFCN, excluding the bears, will be the division to beat next season.

>>74308437

Exploding knees

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>The trade of #Jaguars TE #Julius Thomas for #Dolphins LT Branden Albert would likely happen if both players agreed to new deals, sources say

Finbros thoughts on this?

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>>74308448

>JORDAN! JORDAN! WHITE 20!

>>74308437
missed fg in last second of opening round playoffs, lose 13-10

>>74308548
probably not a bad trade, Gase would know if Julius is really a difference maker.

>>74308242
>120 days in Jail
why tho, drunk driving?

>>74308548
Thomas can't possibly produce less than jordan cameron did, and Albert is too expensive to be injured all the time.

>>74308548
>an average TE on a top 5 salary at the position
I wouldn't get too excited but at least he's better than whoever they're starting there now

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>tfw you realize there will never be a super exciting roller coaster of an offseason like Chip Kellys Wild Ride

Does this mean the AFC East is wide-open again?

1. Myles Garrett, DE, Browns
2. Mitch Trubisky, QB, 49ers
3. Jonathan Allen, DT, Bears
4. Jamal Adams, S, Jaguars
5. Marshon Lattimore, CB, Titans
6. Leonard Fournette, RB, Jets
7. Reuben Foster, LB, Chargers
8. Malik Hooker, S, Panthers
9. Solomon Thomas, DE, Bengals
10. Deshaun Watson, QB, Bills
11. Teez Tabor, CB, Saints
12. Mike Williams, WR, Browns
13. Corey Davis, WR, Cardinals
14. Dalvin Cook, RB, Eagles
15. Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Colts
16. Jabrill Peppers, DB/LB, Ravens
17. Derek Barnett, DE, Redskins
18. Marlon Humphrey, CB, Titans
19. John Ross, WR, Buccaneers
20. Cam Robinson, OT, Broncos
21. Malik McDowell, DT, Lions
22. Quincy Wilson, CB, Dolphins
23. OJ Howard, TE, Giants
24. Zach Cunningham, LB, Raiders
25. Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texans
26. Forrest Lamp, OG, Seahawks
27. Christian McCaffrey, RB, Chiefs
28. Taco Charlton, DE, Cowboys
29. Sidney Jones, CB, Packers
30. Takkarist McKinley, OLB, Steelers
31. Chris Wormley, DT, Falcons
32. Tim Williams, OLB, Patriots

>>74308612
it's a bad year to have cap space, this fa class is even more shit than usual. going to be a lot of bad contracts to hit the salary floor.

>>74308623
>look at me im a unique European patriots fan

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>>74308448
>Brady is 10-2 against the steelers and has never lost to them in the playoffs. Also he has a 116 Rate against them
LMAO

>>74308630
>13. Corey Davis, WR, Cardinals
Id shit a brick
Ive been leaning towards wanting the Eagles to grab a WR in the first this year over Dalvin. Theres just so many RBs to pick up, missing out on cook wouldnt be so bad.

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>>74308559

>H-Hol up Tom

>>74308630
how many fucking wide receivers named Mike Williams have ever played in the NFL? After he gets drafted that will be like 5 of them

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>>74308548
>Brandon Albert can easily be replaced by Tunsil
>Tannehill now has Stills, Parker, Landry and Julius Thomas to throw to.
>Suh and Wake still on the D-Line
>Dolphins going to draft some Linebackers and Safeties to help the defense.

Superbowl confirmed

>>74308548
I'll be happy so long as the cap hit is reasonable from this move

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>>74308693
he'll be the 4th

it's a popular name

>>74308654
seriously if the pats didn't lose to the jets in 2010, they would have steam rolled to another owl that year

>host the stoolers in the afccg
>play the puckers in the owl

>>74308708
What happened to parker? He did fuck all in 2016. They weren't supposed to need kenny stills at this point

>>74308708
Tannehill is fucking trash and you will never win shit as long as he's on your team

>>74308751
He had like 800 yards and was quite decent

>>74308708
stills isn't resigning with the dolphins lol

oh wait, you're the delusional costa rican who thought the dolphins were going to do something in the playoffs, right? carry on

Cunningham, Quincy Wilson, or Peppers

Hard choice for Oakland senpai

>>74308630
I don't know much about Quincy Wilson, but I've seen Cunningham going to the dolphins a lot and with good reason. We had our worst defense of all time this past season and need linebackers

>>74308782
i don't think peppers is a very good fit on the raiders desu
>>74308801
5/9 of my mock drafts this offseason have sent cunningham to the dolphins

it's a good fit

>>74308654
Both years Big Ben's Steelers won the Super Bowl, they never had to face the Patriots in the playoffs

>Kevin Olsen charged with Rape

>>74308850
And 2010 they faced the Jets. The Steelers have never had earn the owl like Peyton Manning and Joe Flacco did by beating Brady and the Patriots

>>74308850
his second it took brady literally tearing up his knee and even in 2010 they lucked out monstrously

>>74308850
lmao brady lost to fucking jake plummer in 2005. how is it ben's fault that the patriots choked that year and in 2010?

>>74308898
its not his fault but it was a big break

like the knicks making the nba finals when jordan was playing baseball

>>74308915
not even close to the same thing though. you can argue that ben lucked out in 2008, and he did, with the brady injury, but in 2005 and 2010 the patriots just blew it. you can't whine about ben not facing better competition during those runs when brady was losing to mark sanchez and jake plummer-led teams

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>>74308922
those are some nice unis but the Chargers got my vote this year on best color rush desu senpai

>>74308922
I think those uniforms are cool as fuck.

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Hahahahaha DraftTek is so fucking stupid

>Lattimore at 29
>Njoku in the 4th fucking round

I'd cum everywhere if this absurdity happened

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>>74309046

>>74309286
wonderful /nfl/ discussion from a patriots fan yet again. how do they keep doing it

>>74309286
Who'd win in a fight, Darth Bellichick or Gronk?

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>>74309046
God the league hasn't been this shit in a long long time. Probably since the early 2000s.

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>>74309354
>Cowboys
>Legit

>>74309391
One game doesn't define it. Those teams on the left are built for the future with superstars in key positions (except for NE, who are elite as long as Brady lives). If GB finds a defense they'll be on the left.

>>74309354
Prescott is gonna slump, move the cowboys to the fence.

the Titans aren't on the fence, they're shit.

Raiders are legit.

t. Dolphins fan

>>74309503
>t. Dolphins fan
so why should we listen to your opinion on "good" football teams?

>>74309503
Titans will surprise people

t. Raiders fan

>>74309503
>Prescott is gonna slump, move the cowboys to the fence.
Projecting.

>the Titans aren't on the fence, they're shit.
Young talent in key areas with huge upside. They'll be a playoff team within 2 years.

>Raiders are legit.
Almost but not quite. They should be by the end of next season.

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>>74309354
>Bois
>1 year with a pancake schedule
>lost the first game in the playoffs at home to a decimated Green Bay team, the same team that Atlanta blew out
>Legit

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>>74309561
*cupcake schedule
excuse me

>>74309554
do people on 4chan really not know what "projecting" means? you can't just say it whenever anyone makes a criticism of your team

>>74309554
>projecting

Jokes on you Tannehill can't slump since he's never been anywhere but the bottom

>>74309630
I hate the cuckbois but they're legit with Dak, Elliot, and Dez. Their defense is kinda shit in places, but if they draft well again they probably go to the Owl.

>>74309694
ok? that doesn't change the fact that saying "projecting" to a dolphins fan for a criticism like that is fucking retarded and makes no sense

>>74309630
They only lost in the playoffs because Rodgers went God mode on them. They still have one of the best teams in the league considering how shitty the league is right now. Just look at the AFC right now.

>>74309630
>arguing with this cowboys dingus that shitposts in every offseason general

for what purpose

>>74309743
>Just look at the AFC right now.
You mean the conference that had a winning record against NFC this season and has won 3 straight Super Bowls?

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4,060+ Yards
35 TDs / 10 ints
4.1 rush avg
200+ rush yards
5 rush TDs
200+ ypg
13.7 average pass yards

>>74310048
'no'

>>74309993
And yet the NFC has the better future, I'd love to see you deny it. Not that either conference is well off right now anyways.

Potentially great teams in the future for the NFC:
>Packers
>Cowboys
>Falcons
>Seahawks

As for the AFC, the future is not so bright:
>Raiders
....
>Chiefs?
>Titans??

It's literally the Brady show. That Bronco team last year sure turned to shit fast didn't it?

>>74310363
Predicting the future is guesswork and the NFL is too volatile to make that guess. The Jaguars were widely regarded as a team with a bright future less than a year ago and the Colts were supposed to be perennial Super Bowl contenders after 2014

Right now, the AFC is better and no one has an idea which conference will be better in 3-4 years.

>>74310048
Carr didnt even run that much before his leg injury.

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looks like the eagles found their new #1 receiver boys

>>74310590
the hype on luck got out of control after 2014

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>>74310743
>there are people in this great nation that truly believed Luck would be better than Wilson

>>74308865

Why is everyone in Greg Olsen's family a fuckup besides him?

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>>74308630
>not drafting Herschel Walker 2.0 first overall

>>74311321

GMs keep falling for the "We shouldn't take a high pick on RBs in the first round" meme despite decades of evidence to the contrary.

Shit, everyone thought the Cowboys were morons for drafting Elliott over Ramsey (They are) but now they've got a franchise RB for the next ten years.

Bright futures
Raiders
Cowboys
Titans
Eagles
Redskins
Lions

>>74311361
cowboys would have done better against the packers with ramsey than with elliott

>>74311361
trent richardson costed a lot of running back prospects millions of dollars

>>74311385

Hence why I said that they *are* morons for drafting Elliott over Ramsey. Because now Jacksonville's got a franchise DB and the Cowboys' defense is still a dumpster fire that gets BTFO when they face actual teams.

>>74311410
>2015 cowboys: 4-12 2016 cowboys: 13-3

>2015 jaguars: 5-11 2016 jaguars: 3-13

ramsey really made an impact

>>74311453
yes, the difference between matt cassell and dak prescott didn't mean anything, it was clearly getting a 1k rusher in the draft!

oh wait, mcfadden rushed for 1k yards in 2015??

>#Cowboys have restructured the contracts of LT Tyron Smith and C Travis Frederick

>>74311522
so now they're only 10 million over the cap?

>>74311369
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
Maybe
No

>>74311561
how are the redskins in better shape than the eagles? their defense is horrid and they either have to pay kirk cousins $23 million a year or go back to starting colt mccoy

>>74311511
first off elliot had over 1,600 yards, so it's little off to say it's the same production they got from Mcfadden, and elliot is going to be a top 5 back for them the next 5-8 years. Don't forget how good of a pass protector and pass catcher he is.

as good as ramsey is he didn't stop the jags from being shit so dont give me that he would have made more of an impact than Elliott.

>>74311593
it's almost like the jaguars didn't improve in any other way but by getting ramsey, and the cowboys got the best rookie QB in the draft in addition to getting elliott

ramsey would have had a better impact in the cowboys than elliott did, that's just how it is. the jaguars were shit on both sides of the ball, whereas the cowboys already had the framework for a very good offense, they just upgraded the two most important positions.

>>74311581
Fine then no for them too

>>74308242
>UNC:Scout: Trubisky has Wentz's talent level

And so it begins, the slow, steadily increasing overrating of the QBs this year that ends with them being labelled a draft bust

>>74308264
Lel he'd get BTFO behind their turnstile O-line. 3 games max.

>>74308242
>UNC:Scout: Trubisky has Wentz's talent level

Draft stock is CRASHING down hahahaah

>>74309476
That one game was the one that actually mattered the most and they lost after riding a cupcake schedule

>>74308548
Why would either of them agree to that? I'd tell them to pay me or cut me so I can hit the open market.

>>74311783
?

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Is Vince Wilfork elite?

>>74311664
>ramsey would have had a better impact in the cowboys than elliott did

this is just speculation though, as good as dak played you can't deny having elliott made things a lot easier for him.

and having great coverage skills alone doesn't beat rodgers, the giants had a great secondary but still got picked apart.

the cowboys offense just didn't do enough early so they ran the ball much less than they wanted too.

>>74310806
Luck is better, he just has a shit team and no elite defense or running back to ride to an owl.

>>74311561
Lions have made the playoffs two out of three years since Caldwell became coach and managed to take a season where everyone wrote them off and ride it to nine wins and a wildcard. Lions are by no stretch elite but they're getting there at a frighteningly fast rate

>>74311822
i'm not arguing that elliott isn't a fantastic player, but he was a luxury pick given the cowboys' circumstances. the upcoming draft is filled with guys who could run for 1300+ behind their monstrous o-line, whereas it's pretty hard to find a player like ramsey who can produce in a shit-tier secondary like the jags have.

and i'm not saying that ramsey would have single-handedly beaten rodgers. only that having him in the secondary instead of brandon carr or orlando scandrick would have had more of an impact.

>>74311798
Wentz isn't good

>>74311792
Albert is paid like a top 10 tackle and Thomas is the 4th best paid TE in the league.

They're not going to get that much on the open market.

>>74311885
teams the lions beat last year:

colts
eagles
rams
redskins
vikings
jaguars
vikings
saints
bears


there is literally no easier way to win 9 games than that, shut the fuck up.

>>74311900
lol

>>74311936
Goddamn. That's bad when the best team they beat was the Redskins.

>>74311910
jags still have more cap space than they know what to do with though and it's not a guarantee albert would want to go to jacksonville on his own will.

they can afford to overpay a LT if it means they can protect bortles just a little bit better. it's a risk I know because the guy is injury prone and kinda declining but this tackle market and draft class is so shit they don't have a lot of good options.

>>74311936
>colts
I've been told that Andrew Luck is the greatest QB prospect of all-time
>eagles
undefeated at the time
>rams
Case Keenum now holds the Rams franchise record for consecutive completions
>redskins
elite offense
>vikings
elite defense on the road
>jaguars
Blake Bortles was good in 2015
>vikings
elite defense
>saints
shut down an elite offense on the road
>bears
divisional game

>>74312061
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA


(You)

2016 Lions record against playoff teams:
0-5 (0-6 including the playoffs)

2016 Lions record against teams under .500:
5-1

>>74308242
fuck off with the college football news, this is for professional discussion only

>>74312245
>le bad teams are great :^)

>>74312180
>Packers
>Lions
>Lambeau
>Texans
Elite defense on the road
>Cowboys
Elite offense on the road with injured QB
>Giants
Elite defense on the road with injured QB
>Packers
Allegedly the greatest QB of our generation at his peak of the season
>Seahawks
2 injuries to the OL and having 3 rookies on it at the same time, injured QB, missing 2 starting RBs while being on the road with a thunderous roar from the best fans in sports lingering throughout your ear drums for 60 minutes

>>74311936
And they did it with virtually no linebackers

An offensive line that breaks at least two seconds after the snap

No cornerbacks

No running game.

And only one consistent offensive weapon Golden Tate. The Lions entered every game that season as an underdog and still managed to win nine games

>>74312316
>0-6
>>74312318
>The Lions entered every game that season as an underdog
a blatant fucking lie, but ok
they beat some of the worst teams in the NFL to make it to the playoffs, and lost every single game they played against a competent team. they still have no weapons, still have a godawful secondary, and are still coached by a retard. good luck next year

>>74308630
Why does everyone seem to think that the Jets will take Fournette?

I don't hate the pick but I feel like getting a RB in the first round is a low priority for them.

>>74312396
fournette is a special talent, and the best corner and safety are off the board

>>74312261
Because there's a direct correlation between success and shitposting the hell out of /NFL/. You didn't know that???

>>74312219
it's under the section NFL Draft

I don't know why this triggers you

You take Ronovich - 6 foot 2 and 140 pounds - he'd better get it to his wide receiver and use the defensive opportunity tonight, else Barnkowski could eradicate the single set formation, yield to the single wing formation and play the running advantage. 4 for 86 this year - looking for his right guard and 6:50 to halftime - he's gonna have to go with the counter formation and throw outside to his tailback, John.

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>>74312380
They beat the 0-0 Coltson the road, the UNDEFEATED SUPER BOWL BOUND EAGLES WITH THE GREATEST ROOKIE QB OF ALL-TIME, the 3-2 Rams, the Redskins on a 4 game winning streak, the elite Vikings defense which was elite, >jasg, Vikings on Thanksgiving in a pressure filled game, elite Saints offense was shutdown by the "godawful secondary" and the Bears who were gonna win the owl according to /sp/

While having no running backs, offensive line, TE, LB, pass rush, or secondary as you even stated in the 1st year of a """""""""""""""""""rebuild""""""""""""""" while losing their best offensive weapon

>>74312396
rb isnt a high priority need but we need a lot so i dont really want to draft just by position need.

I'm not sure who I want yet 100% but Fournette is definitely one i'm most intrigued by. Forte and Powell aren't long term options and even by modern running back standards guys like Fournette just dont come up the pipe very often.

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should I do it? he's cucking my cap space

>>74312503
>this post
have a pity (You)

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>>74312529
>No rebuttal

That's 10 wins now

>>74308630
Is this assuming the bears dont get romo or jimmy?

>>74312558
have another one, it's on me

>>74312558
>tigers owner literally died never seeing his team win a championship
>so did the lions

hah

Dixman needed to hand the football to his halfback, eradicate the I-formation and work the passing advantage last time. Later tonight, if he can't get it to his left guard and go with the goal line formation, the game's as good as over. All coordination no momentum - downwind from his lineman and under fire at the 27 - he'd have been better splitting the hail mary and using the defensive advantage and then maybe they could have yielded to the trick play and checked the counter formation. I mean, talk about Rothovich - 9 for 48 this season - 4:15 on the clock and Barnkowski to his right - I think he'll play the receiving advantage and fork to the shotgun formation.

>>74312608
Thanks friend
>>74312615
It's a good thing he owned the Red Wings then

Also Martha is in great condition so please don't joke about that

>Dolphins acquired TE Julius Thomas from the Jaguars in exchange for a late-round pick in the 2017 draft.

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>there are """people""" that actually think the Cowboys won't be a top seed this season

>>74312678
but will they actually be able to do anything with the top seed?

>>74312678
so what if they are? being the top seed didn't seem to help them last season

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>>74312579
i actually think the most likely landing spot for jimmy G is chicago, but i doubt they'd give up more than their 2nd round pick for him. still the 35th overall pick though, so it's nothing to sniff at.

>Dolphins acquired TE Julius Thomas from the Jaguars in exchange for a late-round pick in the 2017 draft.

>>74308293
sneak detected

>>74312678
They were first seed last season and subsequently went one and done

>>74312696
>>74312699
>>74313012
They will win top seed and at least 1 playoff game this next season

>>74313026
yeah, no

>>74309354
Please don't post these if you're not going to show any effort.

I am a Falcons fan, though, so...thanks desu.

>>74313084
yeah, yea

>offense locked down except for a WR2 if Williams isn't resigned
>finally have depth at almost every position and can now get a War Daddy on defense
>Also Jaylon Smith 100%
>With Sean Lee
>were already a Top 10 defense last year (called it) and are going to improve on that again this next season
>Dak is going to get an extra 300 yards on the ground next season

#2 seed and an NFCCG appearance at the least

>>74313108
That took me like 25 min to make go fuck yourself

>>74313196
yeah, no.

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>>74313310
great input

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ROMO FOURNETTE

MEME MAGIC JETS


SUPER BOWL 52 CHAMPS

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>>74313404
at least get there

>>74313404
The Jets waived their right to meme magic when they fired Rex Ryan, and got rid of both Tebow and Sanchez.

>>74308630
Stop posting this faggot

>>74313455
nah

>>74308630
>thinking the Browns won't draft Cook if he's on the board

lmao this delusion

>>74313404
No way Romo will go to the Jets. Jerry would never send him to such a shithole.

>>74313471
i'd argue that the browns WR corps is worse than their RB corps, especially with pryor potentially leaving, but it's arbitrary really.

>>74313485
no you

>>74313485
words hurt

>>74313404
just why? These shitty quick fixes is why we're not beating the pats. For once I'd like to do a real rebuild.

>>74312061
>I've been told that Andrew Luck is the greatest QB prospect of all-time
so sick of hearing this
Andrew Luck is the only Quarterback that gets judged based on how good he could be instead of how good he is now
There are probably around 10 quarterbacks most people would take over Luck in terms of skill (right now) and yet people treat Luck like he's a top 3

>>74313723
>There are probably around 10 quarterbacks most people would take over Luck in terms of skill (right now)
this is just really not true

test

>>74313743
In no particular order:
Brady
Brees
Rapistburger
Ryan
Rodgers
Prescott
Romo
Russlel
Carr
Possibly Stafford/Palmer/Newton when he's not being a whiny bitch

>>74313804
I'd add Rivers and maybe Mariota.

>>74310743
To be fair luck has had some of the worst pass protection in NFL history. Colts trenches have been absolute garbage for a while now and their head office has done nothing about it

>>74313804
there is no one on the planet who would take romo or palmer over luck right now, don't be silly. luck is also younger than all of those guys but russell, dak, and carr, so if you really think that the saints or steelers wouldn't trade ben or brees straight up for luck, you're delusional.

>>74313818
Forgot about Rivers too
so that literally puts Luck as a middle of the pack starting QB and yet people treat him like a top 3 or top 5

>>74313819
Wilson's best statistical year came when Marshawn Lynch only played something like 3 games

>>74313826
I'm talking about in a game right now, I'm not talking about the future. If you're playing a game right now you're seriously telling me you wouldn't take any of those quarterbacks over Luck?
Everyone is always saying Luck is supposed to be great but he's 27 now and he's really not showing it

>>74313861
first part meant for
>>74311824

>>74313861
absolutely, are you kidding me? luck had a top 5 QB season last year with a garbage team, whereas palmer was just not good and romo hasn't played a full season since 2014. rivers was also pretty fucking bad last year in case you just don't watch football or something.

luck had a better season than ben in every single category except comp% despite not having a top 3 o-line, leveon bell, or antonio brown. i understand that people are responding to the ridiculous luck hype and i agree that he's not top 3 or whatever, but to pretend he's not top 10 is beyond ridiculous.

Matthew Stafford > Andrew Luck

>>74313890
why can't he keep them alive in a shitty division then?

>>74313909
Luck is pretty much just a more hyped up matt stafford desu

except Luck did carry his team a little farther in the playoffs so ill give him the edge

>>74313920
because ryan grigson was one of the worst GMs of all time? this is the dude who drafted philip dorsett in the first round when the only thing the colts don't need is more WRs.

seriously, take a look at the colts roster. their secondary is bottom 3 in the league, and their only good player in the front 7 is d'qwell jackson, who is 33. then you have their offense, which is pretty much luck, hilton, and old man gore.

it's not like the AFCS is the dumpster fire it's been in years past either. the texans have an extremely good defense, and the titans' smash mouth offense is on the rise. meanwhile luck has to go out there with 1 NFL-quality lineman and no defense.
>>74313927
luck has won infinitely more playoff games than matt stafford

>>74313927
Bilal Powell for Eric Ebron and 2017 first rounder?

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>>74313951
Maybe if Luck wasn't being so incredibly overpaid they could afford to get some people in free agency?

>>74313999
Luck Kucks btfo

>>74313999
maybe, but that doesn't have anything to do with luck's level of play, which is what this debate is supposed to be about. you asked me why, if luck is a top 10 QB (he is), is his team doing badly, and i told you.

whether it's because of his contract or because of the colts retarded management is irrelevant to any discussion of his talent, and in reality it's due to both of them.

Wins above replacement in the 2016 regular season as calculated by my super sophisticated formula

1. Matt Ryan: + 5.94
2. Tom Brady: + 4.49
3. Dak Prescott: + 4.45
4. Aaron Rodgers: + 3.74
5. Drew Brees: + 2.41
6. Derek Carr: + 2.35
7. Kirk Cousins: + 2.16
8. Sam Bradford: + 1.97
9. Russell Wilson: + 1.88
10. Ben Roethlisberger: + 1.81
11. Andrew Luck: + 1.71

Luck was the 11th best quarterback of 2016, albeit if he didn't miss the steelers game he could have been higher.

Don't question my numbers, I have a degree in advanced analytics and am smarter than you.

>One member of the Olsen family is Captain of his team's offense, an elite TE, and was just nominated for the Man of the Year Award
>The other one is a rapist

What went wrong?

>>74313826
Teams who are going all in for a superbowl would choose Romo over Luck

>franchise tagging one of the most overrated DE's in the league who earned the majority of his praise against the rams, bears and browns
>franchise tagging a man who has 1 hand
>the city of New Jersey

>>74314120
nope.

>>74308630
Will OJ still be there at 23?

>>74314158
it's certainly possible. a lot of teams view tight ends as a luxury pick, so even though he's probably a top 15 talent he could definitely fall to the giants, who have the worst TEs in the NFL. if he doesn't there's also david njoku from miami, but howard is a much, much better blocker

>>74314126
how can the giants even afford to give jpp a mega deal after overpaying for all the guys they signed last year

>>74314177

I remember almost falling off my couch when Will Tye had that 51 yard catch-and-run against the Packers.

I love that fucker but he's a TE2 through and through.

>>74314177
The giants need a proper TE to help relieve pressure on odell and shepherd and a LT who isn't complete shit

>>74313617
>>74313485
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>>74313617
if we do that then let's start cutting vets now

>>>/asp/
>>>/tv/

>>74314188
They can't and shouldn't. Let Jpp hit the market and draft a DE. If Giants resign Jpp they will cut their cap space in half. They should resign Hankins and Robinson instead

>>74314195
howard is the best TE to come out of the draft in years. he was underused at bama because he was such a good blocker and they don't pass that much, but he's proven he's also a big play threat.

as far as OTs go, the draft class isn't worth taking any of them at pick #23 unless you want to gamble on cam robinson's pass protection getting better. andrew whitworth is a free agent, do the giants have the money for him?

>>74314228
whitworth is prolly resigning with the bengals

reiff is the best tackle in free agency i think

>>74310048
And 1 broken leg

>>74311321
>He's gonna slip to the Panthers
>Takes the pressure off of $cam giving him another MVP

>>74314217

They've got Okwara so I don't even think they need to worry about DE until later in the draft.

>>74314228

I think the right side of the line needs to be addressed before LT. I'm not defending Flowers, he might have had the worst year of any second year player. But he played hard through injuries in his rookie year and is actually pretty good in run-blocking.

>>74312978
He's not wrong, tho.

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lol saw this randomly scrolling on my timeline

I am so confused

>Albert BreerVerified account
@AlbertBreer
Tentative terms: Miami sending a 2017 7th-rounder to Jax for TE Julius Thomas. Jax sending 2018 7th-rounder to Miami for OT Branden Albert.

who made the better trade?

>>74314228
Cowboys getting him. Witten retiring after this year.

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>The Cowboys restructured the contracts of LT Tyron Smith and C Travis Frederick, freeing up $17.3 million under the salary cap.

>They both dropped their base salaries to the veteran minimum, converting the difference into a "signing" bonus. The Cowboys do this every year, and it has allowed them to keep highly-paid veterans while supplementing the back end of their roster with cheaper talent. It's also why hitting on Dak Prescott was such a huge development for the franchise. Once they part with Tony Romo, Dallas will go from having one of the NFL's tightest cap situations to one of the best.

>>74314549
naw Clayton Geathers will be unleashed next year

>>74314549
i don't think he'll fall to 28. cowboys are much better off drafting defense there anyway, the offense will run itself

>>74308708
they cant even win the division. They wont even make the playoffs next year. 8 wins at best.

>>74312943

There's too much demand and buzz and too weak of a draft class for some team to not give a first for Jimmy.

>>74314659
his sample size is just so small though, plus there's the stigma of a "system" around the patriots. i do think that the browns could be swayed into giving up pick #12 for him, but the bears don't have that luxury.
patriots could do a lot with two picks in the top 35 though, their team is so complete already.

>>74314103
>hey baby, wanna see my man of the year? No? Too bad

Just came to a realization....even if Cleveland would have won a Super Bowl in 1994 with Belichick, Modell still would have moved the team because of the money issue.

>>74314696
Cleveland isn't going to give up the #12 overall pick for Jimmy G. They might trade a 4th or 5th round pick for McCarron though.

Who are the top interior O-lineman in the draft?

Can I get a quick rundown?

Does Connor McDermott still post here?

>>74312678
Remember when you said they would beat the packers and destroy the falcons? Lol

>>74314764
forrest lamp and dan feeney are the top 2 guards in the class. lamp's stock seems to be rising recently, so he'll probably go ahead of feeney, but both will probably go late 1st to early-mid 2nd round. dorian johnson from pitt and dion dawkins from temple are the next best two, but they're more 2nd to 3rd rounders, and dawkins may be better at OT. as for centers, the only two worth picking in the first 3 rounds are ethan pocic from LSU and pat eiflein from OSU

>>74314696
>his sample size is too small
When you take into account he was already a 2nd round pick in his initial draft, his 2 games and time in NE only adds to that.

Then you have to take into account the market. Teams give up first round picks for QB's all the time, at least twice last season with Goff and Bradford.

>>74314696
see I don't really get the sample size argument, it's not like we've seen any draft prospects in the pro game.

Why is it okay to draft a guy like Tribusky in the first who has only like 13 college starts and no pro starts but a bad idea to draft a pro back up who was a second round prospect with the upside of a franchise quarterback who's already been seasoned a little bit so

just imo.

>>74312437
cowboys buck the trend with #1 shitposting without any success

>>74314878
>>74315063
because jimmy G is 25, and trubisky is 22. also i don't think it's fair to compare the bradford situation to this. the vikings thought they had the means to compete for the super bowl and panicked; any team trading for garop wants to be able to build around him, and giving up your first pick is a terrible idea if you want to do that. the goff/wentz trades are different because those teams were paying for the right to be in that draft spot; with jimmy there isn't the threat of another team getting him before you the normal way because he's not in the draft.

i'm higher on jimmy than most people, i even suggested that he may be worth the 12th overall pick in this thread. but a lot of people are going to look at his game and a half sample size and only see a masterful belichick gameplan. people spend their own first rounders on draft picks all the time, but it's tougher to rationalize giving up a pick to another team for a QB that will be 26 and a free agent by the end of this year.

>>74315170
only four teams had better seasons than the cowboys, so not really.

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WHAT THE FUCK? I thought this off-season was gonna be different. Nothing coming out of Green Bay, not even the GO PACK GO, chants.

>>74313196
>12 million over the cap
>cutting romo would only save 5 mil because of 14mil in dead money
>half of defense is FA
>no pass rush
>counting on Lee and Smith to be healthy
>no money to sign upgrades or depth

they will have a top ten offense and bottom ten defense

10-6 first round playoff exit

>>74315226
Jerry will have another draft day miracle.

>>74315210
free agency doesnt even start for another few weeks

>>74315241
We haven't even resigned Cook. I bet tightwad Ted hasn't even made an offer like he didn't with Jenkins in 2011

>>74314567
>hey lets have zero cap space 3 years from now when we need to extend dak and zeke

>>74308242
>not putting the slashes around NFL
gjge

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Was Walter Jones elite?

>>74315448
he's in the hall of fame, so yes

The point of Jimmy being 26 is irrelevant, he looks more developed at that age than 90% of QBs were

>>74315493
>falling for the Jimmy Grapp meme

Why is it that every time I make fun of the Packers, they immediately go full damage control by talking shit about the Bears? Not even a Bears fan. They just look for a group to shit on and throw a tantrum. It's like when anyone makes fun of republicans and they immediately chimp out and start complaining about democrats.

Hey guys did you know that the Dolphins made the playoffs this last year? I completely forgot until today.

Also the Browns will trade the #12 pick for Garappalo.

>>74312643
As long as Martha is alive, the Lions will never be good.

>>74315694
Are you retarded? Martha is the reason they don't suck like they used to. The Lions have made the playoffs two of three years she's been owner

Who else is laughing hysterically that the Seahawks signed Blair Walsh? I hope he misses a chip shot field goal and knocks the Seacucks out of the playoffs.

>>74315781
they had to pay him his money for throwing the game in 2015

>>74315666
>>74315755

>>74315781
Found the 49ers fan. Your team is still going to suck this year.

>>74315781
You act like he won't redeem himself by kicking the Game winner in a play off game against the Vikings.

>>74315790
Enjoy your ban.

>>74315797
Implying he will. He's a garbage player that has done nothing but fall since that game. Why on earth they picked him up is beyond me.

>>74315808
Because they need competition at the kicker position.

>>74315816
So they think signing Walsh will make Hauschka perform better?

>>74315624
Because most Packers fans are republicans.

>>74315797
Agreed. Vikings ruined him. Seahawks will redeem him, just like with all the other former vikings players.

>>74315624
Packers and Bears are the longest standing rivalry in football. They expect that it's a bears fan by nature.

>>74315837
Yes. Their mantra is always compete.

>>74315855
Keep dreaming. That only works with former Browns players

>>74315856
Just like how republicans always think that if someone is being mean to them, it's all the democrats' fault?

>>74315857
But he had almost 90% completion this season. The fuck more they want from the guy, more 2-point fake attempts?

>>74315861
Tell that to the Super Bowl 48 champions.

>>74315883
What Vikings players are even on the team that played that SB?

>>74315905
Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, a couple of other players who weren't as important.

>>74315913
I didn't recall the game really depending on those guys, which was kinda the point of the discussion.

>>74315922
It most certainly depended on Percy Harvin.

>>74315934
Not really. He made a good move but I wouldn't say that the game depended on him.

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>>74315964
He was great in SB48.

http://www.wlwt.com/article/emily-wood-late-pkg-0kuxfz4e/8958544

concussions is a hell of a drug

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>>74316190
>that tackling by the Broncos
How fucking exposed can you get?

>>74316223
major props to elway, he took a shitty defense and turned them into an all-time great unit in a couple of years

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Guys... what if we actually lose Eric Berry.

>>74315258
People dont realize "restructuring contracts" is a Faustian bargain

Derek Carr will never recover from his injury 100%. It's the beginning of the end for him.

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>>74316269
can't pay him what he wants, he'll never be as good as last year anyway

its time to say goodbye

>>74316517
this is some retarded damage control

enjoy that brief window where it looked like you were going to contend but then you got cucked repeatedly

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>>74308708
>1-6 against .500 or better

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he's getting ring #6 /nfl/

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>>74317117
No.

>>74313497
>Pryor potentially leaving
Where are you getting this shit from? They're gonna sign him long term plus they drafted a WR in the first round last year.

Also
>Fournette in the first round, let alone in the top 10
Jesus Christ

>>74315063
Brady's backups usually tend to be average to shit upon getting the starting job. Hoyer and Cassell were subpar and should really be just career backups and Mallett was just dogshit.

>Why is it okay to draft a guy like Trubisky
It isn't. He's the most overrated fucker in this entire draft by a mile, shouldn't even be a first round material.

>>74317212
Seahawks are mortal. No O-line and the roster lacks depth

won't even make the NFCCG

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>>74317117
Yep

Raiders-Chiefs is objectively the most aesthetic rivalry in the NFL and it isn't even close.

>>74314659

This. Jimmy isn't worth the #1 overall or even #12 in a vacuum, but multiple teams have need, and there are no better alternatives available.

>>74317758

If you have the #1 pick you're not a Garoppolo away from winning it all.

Might as well just get BPA and wait until your team is better to start sacrificing value for need.

>>74317827
and if Jimmy IS the bpa?

>>74315841
>>74315864
Funny, it's always the liberals who whine like children and riot when things don't go their way.

>>74317877
Are there really people on 4chan already who are too young to remember 2008?

>>74317890
I don't remember republicans vandalizing businesses, bullying poor trash cans, assaulting people, blocking roadways, or setting fire to effigies and flags during the obongo years

>>74317539
I really wish the Broncos would fix their sin ugly uniforms. AFCW is /fa/ as fuck otherwise

>>74318008

Repubs absolutely set fire to effigies of Obama.

>>74317890
lol there wasn't nearly the protests and child like behavior when Obongo was elected.

Granted, there wasn't when Bush was elected either, really it just shows how much tension has developed in the country since 9/11.

>>74308242
>FA:Trent Richardson popped for domestic violence
>NE:Michael Floyd sentenced to 120 days in jail
haha what?

https://www.strawpoll.me/12386615
https://www.strawpoll.me/12386615
https://www.strawpoll.me/12386615

go vote pls

>>74318321
Dubya was the 2nd-worst prez ever (after Trump, already.) prove me wrong

>>74318321
complete fucking bollocks, and you know it

>>74318321
>there wasn't when Bush was elected, either

W also lost the popular vote in 2000, there were protests at his inauguration and his limo was egged as it took him to the White House. That walk Trump made with no one in the stands to see him? Dubya had to speed down that road inside a car because he was scared of all the protestors (his election was decided by the Supreme Court).

>>74318635
There are no facts that can prove you wrong, but you'll still get some incoherent delusions.

>>74318635

He got handed a raw deal with the 9/11 attacks like half a year into his presidency.

>>74316230

> Elway

You mean Wade Phillips, their DC?

>>74318751
>9/11
he didn't need to order our military to up their ante of playing World Police because of it. The entire Middle East except the better parts of Saudi Arabia is already a gigantic shithole full of people who will literally blow themselves up in the name of their god. Why, going back even to Reagan and before him, we ever got involved there is a fucking mystery to me

>>74310691
CUUUUUTE

>>74318635
Carter was worse.

>>74319205
>Carter
your opinion is retarded, but an American citizen I will defend to the death your right to hold it.

>>74319449
*as an American citizen

>>74318635
>i read a 3 paragraph article on huffington post man

kys

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>>74309046

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Can somebody shop a laughing belichick head on here?

what if belichick coaches for like 10 years after brady retires and never gets to another superbowl?

>>74316269
pls no

>>74316517
According to overthecap, the Chifs have about 4.7m in cap room.

Realistically, Nick Foles is getting cut (6.75m saving), and I think Jamaal Charles probably should go as well (another 6.2m)

Leaves around $16m in cap room, which, assuming Berry wants to stay and the Chiefs don't dick around with health insurance stuff like they were rumoured to have done last year, should be enough to keep him.

Poe will go if the Berry deal gets done, which hopefully won't be as big a loss, given Chris Jones was bretty gud last year.

>>74320011
bellichick has already said he wont go much past 70 if at all

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>>74315226
>12 million over the cap
Tyrone Smith and Travis Fredrick got their contract restructured which free'd up 17.5 mil in cap space.
>cutting romo would only save 5 mil because of 14mil in dead money
Still possibility for a trade.
>half of defense is FA
True. But now with cap space free'd up Wilcox can get signed, Carr can get signed if he decides not to retire and also FA and Draft coming up
>no pass rush
Jaylon Smith and the Draft
>counting on Lee and Smith to be healthy
Lee has been healthy 2 straight years since new workout and moving to Weak Side LB and Jaylon Smith is like 99% right now
>no money to sign upgrades or depth
With Fredrick and Smith restructured the Cowboys have lots of places they can get rid of dead money and sign some people off FA. Maybe an Alfred Morris + Tony Romo trade to whoever?

>they will have a top ten offense and bottom ten defense
Top 5 Offense Top 10 Defense

>10-6 first round playoff exit
11-5 and NFCCG appearance

>>74308868
is that you OldGay or JFFMuff?

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>>74320595
>JUST

>The #Panthers will release DT Paul Soliai today, per agent @davidcanter. He signed a 2-year, $7M deal just last year.

>2016 Vikings First Rounder: used on a wr who caught one pass all season
>2017 Vikings First Rounder: used on Sam Bradford trade

>>74320652
>the Cowboys are no longer going to be dormant when it comings to ruling over the NFL again
oh boy oh boy #6 incoming!

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>>74320909

>>74320909
I think the Bears are gonna win a few more games then people think they will. They had a killer draft last year and were one of the most injured teams in the league. No QB is obviously a big issue but that defense has a lot of potential and their Oline/running game is really shaping up. Depending on how the off-season goes, the Vikings could end up being the worst team in the NFCN.

>>74320996
>They had a killer draft
did they? i know jordan howard was good, but in the only bears game i saw the entire team looked like garbage.

>>74308242
>Jets can void Darrelle Revis' contract

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO IT

>>74321024
Whitehair is great and Floyd was productive before getting injured

I wouldn't call it killer but they drafted 3 quality starters right from the start so that's pretty good

>>74321065
that's good for them, neither floyd nor whitehair looked good in week 2, but it was week 2.

i still don't think they're going to win many games with either matt barkley or a rookie QB, especially if alshon leaves.

>>74321075
Receiving threats and a quarterback are probably their biggest concerns right now. If they continue to draft well though I can definitely see them becoming a threat in the distant future. That Cutler contract is so fucked though, I don't know how they are gonna get rid of him.