SUPER BOWL LI SERIOUS DISCUSSION THREAD

Fixed for ratings

Eli Manning > Tom Brady

>Was it more of a patriots comeback or a Falcons choke?
Both.
You can't discredit the Pats O line and Brady, but at the same time blowing such a lead in such a big stage is simply unprofessional.

However, leave Ryan out of this. His offense played a great game. It was his D that choked it.

>>74111202
>Did the patriots win or did the falcons lose

>LI
Patriots win

>L
Broncos won

>XLIX
Seahawks lost

>XLVIII
Seahawks won

>XLVII
Ravens won

>XLVI
Patriots lost

Both needed to happen
Pats played fantastic last ~20 minutes
Falcons played bad, took decisions which enabled the Patriots

Both

>>74111244
>D choked it
The D shit down Brady for 3 quarter and was out ther for a fuckig eternity all the offense had to do was get one fucking field goal and they would have won the game. I blame the coaching meltdown more than anything else but Ryan has to have the fucking awareness to try and throw the ball away instead of taking all those huge sacks

Full team effort on the comeback to. Offense moved the ball and controlled the clock extremely well( it was nearly a 2 to 1 ratio on possession) but didn't finish drives in the first half. Defense would bend but wouldn't break. Can't really blame them for the turnover points. Only part of the game I thought was choking on falcons was trying to work the middle of the field on their last drivewithout any timeouts. That made 0 sense to me

Id say it was a patriots comeback.

The Patriots have a long history of, and are notorious for coming back from behind.

i wouldnt call it a falcons choke because the patriots still had to struggle to make that comeback

you can't have one without the other.

patriots made a shit-ton of huge plays in the final 20 minutes. falcons made a handful of big mistakes that enabled the pats to make that shit-ton of plays.

Patriots comeback

there weren't a crazy amount of meme turnovers and plays, just a few really key moments where the Patriots executed and Brady turning it on for a full half

>>74111202
Can't it away from the pats. They showed what it means to be professional and play all 4 quarters. That being said the Falcons utterly collapsed and really just needed one field goal in the entire second half. It came down to coaching, and belicheck proved once again he is the best

A few notes. Chime in if you agree/disagree

>On the game in Super Bowl History
One of the greatest. All the pats games are, win or lose. One of the reason the patriots are so likable is that they always fught for the win. They never look like they're an exceedingly dominant team in any super bowl. They never blow people out. It actually always looks in some ways like they're the underdog, with the exception of the two where they list. I would say this owl ranks easily in the top 10, but the first half is too boring to make it a guaranteed top 5 spot. Yeah, the first OT ever is neat, but there will be others.

>On the comeback
Equal parts Pats comeback and Failcons choke. It took Bill 3 quarters but he figured them out. That's why he's the greatest coach of all time. Nobody else could have done that. At the same time, blowing 25 points to ANYONE is simply unacceptable. They were clearly trying to run down the clock time as if they had won already. Quinn gambled and fucked up.

>On the coin toss
I'll be the first to admit I hate the overtime rules, but let's be honest here: the falcons blew a 25 point lead in 17 minutes. There wouldn't have even been an overtime if Gostowski had made that PAT earlier.

>On Brady
Look, I'm a Pats fan since birth. Superbowl 36 will always be my favorite because of the 9/11 theme and I'll always remember being at the parade.
I'll be the first to say that Brady gets way too much credit at the expense of the rest of the team. There have been, currently are, and will be more athletically capable QBs to play the game. He was a 6th round pick for a reason. But c'mon now, he threw for almost 500 yards in the biggest SB comeback ever. Not many QBs could do that. So while he may not be the most talented ever, he certainly is the most successful ever, and that's the metric that matters most. Obviously Billachek is the single biggest asset to the team, but Brady is much more than just a meme QB.

Any webms from the game?

>>74111468
Fuck off reddit

>>74111284
No, the Falcons clearly lost this game.

Anyone else think the final play was a bit underwhelming?

>>74111284
SB50 can be disputed because of $cam playing like total overrated dogshit, but this is spot on

>>74111468
quality post friend

>>74111468
This is probably the fairest assesement of Brady Iv'e ever read on this board.
He's like the master chief. He's not the strongest spartan, the fastest spartan, even the bravest soartan, but he's the luckiest and thereforst the best. And he only works with the best.
Play Halo before you consider that a criticism, because I assure you it's not.

>>74111468

Well if he had made the PAT, they wouldn't have gone for the second 2 pt. However if the refs didn't give the Falcons a free point with that bad call AND he didn't miss the initial PAT, who knows.

>>74111541
There was also a bullshit call against the pats special teams when they blocked the falcons PAT

>>74111536
Master chef is the best because he's the only one who's still alive basically

>>74111468
>not many qbs could throw for 442 yards, 2 tds and 1 int on 62 attempts
>Favre is better than Marino cause he has a ring
>one half of the Falcons blowing out the Pats followed by a huge choke and the Pats blowing out the Falcons makes it a top 10 owl

Q U A L I T Y

>>74111202
It's both. The Pats did exactly what was required of them to win, and the Falcons made costly mistakes that kept them from closing the game out.

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will niggers ever recover?

>>74111556
I thought I was being pretty fair with my Brady assesement.

He has had a better career than any other QB. I don't see how that's disputable. A lot of that is because he's been playing with the best coach and great team mates that play for the team, not themselves.
I pretty clearly said that there are more athletically talented QBs. Yes, I think Manning is better in that regard. His playstyle and stats show for it, but this isn't a one man game, it's a team game, and Brady leads the best team ever.

>>74111244
You can't leave Ryan out of this. If he doesn't take that stupid sack that knocked them out of FG range the Falcons are almost assured the win, barring something absolutely flukey. It's not all him, but he played his part in their collapse by making some very costly mistakes.

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>>74111468
>One of the reason the patriots are so likable
>the patriots are so likable

Then why does seemingly the entire planet hate them?

>>74111602
He outplayed Tom for 3 quarters. What more do you want from him? His D needed to stop ONE of those Q4 pats drives or the Overtime drive.

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>>74111589
why do they hate us so much?

>>74111617
>Then why does seemingly the entire planet hate them?
They don't.
The era of Pats hate is diminishing. We are seeing a new era where they are literally becoming America's team. Did you gear the noise in Houston. It must have been 70% pats fans.

>>74111617
>Tom Brady winning the Super Bowl is white supremacy

So Matt Ryan winning it would have been equality?

>>74111601
>it's a team game
>Brady leads the best team ever

Yeah except for the fact that Brady has NEVER been the best player in the Super Bowl. Brady has inferior career stats compared to Manning or even Montana when taking era into account. Brady is top 5 arguably, top 10 definitely, but if you watch football and actually consider rings when you rate players you have brain problems.

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>>74111589
What part of "Both teams are owned by Jews and feature dozens of black players" don't these people understand. White-supremacists are not jazzed up....
wait, I just answered my question. Trump supporters are jazzed up about this win, and these goons think being a fan of trump is equivalent to being a white supremacist.

>>74111536
Thanks Cortana.

Any comeback requires mistakes on the other teams part.

its literally a chicken and egg question

>>74111623
Jealousy. we are constantly proving the fact they are subhuman and inferior and it angers them to no end

>>74111202
Well obviously it was both, but we saw the greatest 4th quarter by a QB in the super bowl of all time

>>74111620
What do I want from him? To be aware of the situation and not take costly and stupid sacks. Like I said it wasn't all him, but you can't objectively claim he is without blame.

Does anyone else feel like the Bill/Brady Patriots franchise is like Dragonball Z split up into different arcs?
Or maybe like Rocky movies?
The first arc is the dynasty arc, the battles against the various big franchise teams to cut a name for themself.

The second arc is marked by a decade of struggle and doubt, as they struggle to hold on to greatness but consistantly come just short due to teams like the Ravens and Manning Brothers. The arc closes with the win against the seahawks, a new up and coming team fighting to be the next true dynasty since the early 2000s patriots.

The third arc has just opened. It is the era of Patriots dominance, where they have moved on past Earth and are taking on the strongest fighters in the universe, such as the falcons.

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Can someone explain what she meant by divisive performance?

I just watched this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9cUytejf1k
and saw nothing controversial, what am I missing

>>74111617
really sparks my neurons

Can't wait for the coming civil war, whites will win again!

>>74111202
I'd say a Falcons choke because after the Jone's catch in their second last drive, they should have been able to run the ball and take the FG and make it a two possession game.

I think the Seahawks loss against the Pats was much less of a choke as at least there was some rationale to go for the pass and then two rushes but it was just broken up by a strong play.

Obviously though, if the Patriots' receivers didn't get their shit together in the second half it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

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>>74111657
He's a homosexual so he's lower on the privilege scale

>>74111664
>Yeah except for the fact that Brady has NEVER been the best player in the Super Bowl.
I agree. But the QB doesn't need to dominate the game to do his job. His job is to control the offense and make plays. Brady does that good enough to consistantly lead his team to victory unlike anyone else. No, he's not Manning or Rodgers. But he's a playmaker. That's all he needs to be.
>Brady has inferior career stats compared to Manning or even Montana when taking era into account. Brady is top 5 arguably, top 10 definitely, but if you watch football and actually consider rings when you rate players you have brain problems.
Again, I agree. Rings are a bad metric for individuals. But as a TEAM PLAYER, I don't see how Brady isn't the GOAT.

Does that make sense? I'm trying to be fair here.

>>74111202
The Falcons choked. Their offense was the top ranked offense in the NFL. They score on over 50% of their possessions. I'm not sure how much times they got the ball after their last td with 9 minutes left in the 3rd but it was at LEAST 4 (probably 5 or 6) and in those 4 possessions the best offensive team in the NFL couldn't score even 3 points? The Pats did an amazing job but the Falcons choked.

>>74111202

After the half, Falcons could have run the ball to run down the clock. But they kept throwing and throwing and losing and losing

21st century pats are the best organization ever.
Bill is the besy coach ever.
Brady is the best team player QB ever.

>>74111664
He was last night

And if you don't factor in rings you have brain problems, winning is the most important thing and he's done it as many times as most teams. But if that "doesnt mean anything", he also has the best winning percentage, 2nd best qbr all time and pretty much every record a qb can have in the playoffs (pretty much anything that begins with "most" belongs to brady)

>>74111468
>One of the greatest.

Not really. The game was completely one sided during both teams successful parts of the game. The Falcons blowing out the Pats wasn't that fun to watch and the Falcons choking away what should've been a guaranteed win wasn't fun either. Calling it Top Ten is still a bit of a stretch.

>There wouldn't have even been an overtime if Gostowski had made that PAT earlier.

This is objectively false. If he had made the extra point the pats would've never went for a second two point conversion.

Great game. Amazing game. Initially I wanted the Falcons to win, despite the fact I'm a Saints fan. But then when it became clear the Falcons might choke away the game, I jumped on the Pats bandwagon to enjoy some delicious Atlanta tears. Boy was it glorious.

And of course the Falcons choked more than the Pats came back. I mean, up 28-3 and lose? Holy shit.

>>74111828
>>>74111664
>He was last night
Only 2 QBs played last night
>And if you don't factor in rings you have brain problems, winning is the most important thing and he's done it as many times as most teams.
Winning is a team effort.
>But if that "doesnt mean anything", he also has the best winning percentage, 2nd best qbr all time and pretty much every record a qb can have in the playoffs (pretty much anything that begins with "most" belongs to brady)
Well, most of that can be attributed to playing for so long, which is why Farve had so many records.
You can use rings as a metric, but ot's not an absolute metric.
Someone above pit it best. He's not the most athletically talented. He's simply notm he doesn't run fast enough, throw fast enough, make fast enough decisions, etc. You don't even need to look up stats, just watch the game and compare him to others.

BUT he's a phanominal team player, and that's all he needs to be. If anything, more physically talented QBs end up costing the team more than they help often.

>>74111883
>He's simply notm he doesn't run fast enough, throw fast enough, make fast enough decisions

are you seriously saying tom brady doesn't make fast decisions or "throw fast enough" (whatever that means)?

The Patriots won this, not the Falcons choking.


ATL had only 1 3rd down conversion. ONE.
ATL, #1 offense in the league, was held to 14 points without the turnovers
ATL was held to 350 yards of offense
ATL's MVP QB had 250 yards
ATL, after the 28-3 lead, was 3 and out every possession except for a 5 and out.possession.
ATL was held to 15 offensive plays in the 2nd half, and only 45 for the game. NE had 98.
NE had the ball for over 40 minutes.

The simple answer is BB did the same thing to ATL as he did to the Bills in 1990. Hold the ball, wear out your defense, pound you in the 4th when you pass rush is dead and you secondary gets slow.

In OT, their defense was so gassed that NE never had a 3rd down in a 75 yard drive.

>>74111932
Not him but they emasure QB throwing speed.
Crapernik ironically has one of the fastest arms. Wilson is up there too. Probably because he olayed baseball

Brady is great and so is Michael Jordan. But it's no coincidence they were coached by the GOATs. BB could have done this with Brees or Rodgers. That's my take at least.

>>74111883
he was the best player period, not just qbs. And ya if its a team effort why haven't any other teams done what he and the pats have done? and why has brady done it with like half a dozen different groups of core players?

>hes on the best because he's played long

jesus christ you're really reaching, again, why doesn't everyone else just dominate for 20 years? Longevity and consistency over 2 decades isn't easy. Im also pretty sure brady has the lowest time in the pocket out of any active qb, which means he's making a decision who to throw to faster than everyone else. He's also insanely accurate over 10-20 yards. but ya, just watch the game eh?

It was a choke, don't get it twisted. One or two more 3rd down conversions and it was over.

>>74111468
Criticize the falcons all you want but don't say they were trying to run the clock out lmfao

>>74111949
>Brady is great and so is Michael Jordan. But it's no coincidence they were coached by the GOATs. BB could have done this with Brees or Rodgers. That's my take at least.
Probably? But whatever. It's a team game.

>>74111956
>he was the best player period, not just qbs
No that was objectively White and Eddleman. Literally record setting.

>>74111940
This

Everyone also seems to have forgotten the defense holding after the failed onside kick

>>74111963
>Criticize the falcons all you want but don't say they were trying to run the clock out
They were. They were running it and slant passing witha whole quarter left. >lmfao
>>>/out/

>>74111202
It's both.

Falcons had no answers for the Patriots come back.

They were sliced and diced the entire 2nd half

>>74111964
It makes a huge difference who's assembling the team though, wouldn't you say?

>>74111990
Falcons outperformed the pats in Q3.
It was a 1 quarter comeback really.

>>74111973
tom brady literally set records too

although I wouldn't argue this one too hard, they both also had incredible games and it could go to either and they'd deserve it

>>74111620
They scored 28, but 14 were off turnovers, including a pick 6.
Ryan had a high completion percentage, but his offense was shut down. 5 3 and outs in the second half?

Pats held the ball until ATL was too gassed to cover or rush the passer.

>>74111981
The defense held, but all the Falcons had to do was run the ball. The defense can't stop the clock, only the offense can do that.

>up 7
>on 20-yard-line
>4 minutes left
>throw twice
>penalty and sack
>forced to punt instead of FG attempt

That's a choke.

the falcons laid an egg...

they did not make changes as needed they flopped on clock management did not run the ball, you may as well have just said cool the pats are gonna win after all at the start of the 2nd

>>74111990
Very true but I think the coons will be back in the super bowl within the next 5 years. They have a good team and most of them are young. DQ will bring Atl it's first super bowl win mark my words

>>74111985
They only ran the ball 4 times after Pats missed the extra point.

Atlanta blew their proverbial load in the first half.

BTW, Lady Gagas performance was only shorter than the action in the game by less than 2 minutes.

>>74111468
This is a pretty decent assessment of brady, and i may have some level of bias being a pats fan, but what many people, including you seem to fail to factor in is his infallible competitive drive that only the greatest players in the history of sports possess. Michael Jordan had it, Tom Brady has it. He gets a lot of help from having belichick as coach, but in the end he's the one shredding that defense. I don't believe any other QB in the league could make that comeback under those circumstances, and that's why he is the greatest to ever do it.

>>74112051
Like the 1990 Bills SB. Thurman Thomas averaged 9 per carry, but the Bills kept passing, and wore out their own defense with 3 ans outs.

>>74112036
>implying being btfo like that last night won't ruin them
They're gonna be "rebuilding" for the next decade

>>74112107
I'm a Jets fan so there is some bias, but this is very true.

>>74111602
>7 step drop
Lets blame Ryan

No other quarterback could have led a comeback like that

yes the Falcons proved that Atlanta deserves 0 professional sports and shouldn't ever be in a championship again (t. person from Georgia), but it was also a testament to Brady and the Patriots because most other teams would've given up and played with a hazardous sense of urgency.

Brady stepped in and proved that he can come in and clutch even the most unwinnable of situations

>>74112107
Reminder Jim Kelly came back down 32 in the playoffs.

>>74112107
Don't pander to him, mate, it was horseshit.

Reading defenses, accuracy, quickness of release, not making stupid decisions, not staring at the rush, not staring down receivers, moving defenders around, getting into the best playcall - these are all QB talents.

QB talent is not about running fast, or being able to throw on the run. Those are nice, but this idea that Brady isn't "talented" as others is utter horseshit. Anyone attempting to denigrate Brady's "talent" is talking out of their bumhole.

>>74112149
Brady looked so fucking defeated during the 2nd quarter, it was like he had his life deflated right out of him. I would have put my life on the Falcons winning that game at that point. The second half came and it's like the Patriots took speed or something. They were beyond sharp.

>>74112138
Nah I think they're finally getting their shit together after years of "rebuilding" and constant injuries

>21ST CENTURY OWL RANKINGS
1. XLIX: Patriots beat Seahawks
2. XLIII: Steelers beat Cardinals
3. XLII: Giants beat Patriots 1
4. XXXVI: Patriots beat Rams
5. XLVII: Ravens beat 49ers
6. XXXVIII: Patriots beat Panthers
7. XXXIX: Patriots beat Eagles
8. XLVI: Giants beat Patriots 2
9. LI: Patriots beat Falcons
10. XLV: Packers beat Steelers
11. XLIV: Saints beat Colts
12. 50 (L): Broncos beat Panthers
13. XLVIII: Seahawks beat Broncos
14. XL: Steelers beat Seahawks
15. XLI: Colts beat Bears
16. XXXV: Ravens beat Giants
17. XXXVII: Buccaneers beat Raiders

>>74112149
Remember Cam giving up last year, down 10 or 12 points? Some qbs are weak mentally, and some are Tom Brady.

Honestly, the pressure of being behind gets to teams, leading to huge blow outs in the SB. NE has been to so many Owls, they can handle it and make a comeback instead of falling apart.

>>74112171
He's the best team player QB ever. There have been better individuals, but who cares

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>>74112193
>listen here Tom I know you're losing but if you don't come back to win I'm throwing you over the wall

>>74112208
You have the falcons game way too low and the eagles game way too high

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>>74111214
>flop wins games

So I don't care much about American Football, but I stuck some money on the Patriots and ended watching the entire thing. I enjoy other North American sports (basketball and hockey). But now I'm thinking of giving the NFL a chance starting next season.

I'm honestly kind of surprised this sport is so big in the US though. Not shitting on it, just didn't think the average American would have enough patience to sit through an entire game where not that much happens in comparison to basketball where it's non-stop back and forth.

>>74112208
>21ST CENTURYOWL RANKINGS
(Now with nicknames)
>1. XLIX: Patriots beat Seahawks
The Old Guard/New Guard Bowl

>2. XLIII: Steelers beat Cardinals
The Franchise Bowl

>3. XLII: Giants beat Patriots 1
The Upset Bowl

>4. XXXVI: Patriots beat Rams
The MURICA Bowl

>5. XLVII: Ravens beat 49ers
The Lights-Out Bowl

>6. XXXVIII: Patriots beat Panthers
The Nipple Slip Bowl

>7. XXXIX: Patriots beat Eagles
The Dynasty Bowl

>8. XLVI: Giants beat Patriots 2
The Rematch Bowl

>9. LI: Patriots beat Falcons
The Comeback Bowl

>10. XLV: Packers beat Steelers
The Wild Card Bowl

>11. XLIV: Saints beat Colts
The Katrina Bowl

>12. 50 (L): Broncos beat Panthers
The Defense Bowl

>13. XLVIII: Seahawks beat Broncos
The Blowout Bowl

>14. XL: Steelers beat Seahawks
The Controversial Bowl

>15. XLI: Colts beat Bears
The Manning Bowl

>16. XXXV: Ravens beat Giants
The Rape Bowl

>17. XXXVII: Buccaneers beat Raiders
The Gruden Bowl

Not to take away from the patriots, 25 points in basically 1 quarter in the superbowl is unheard of, but the Falcons literally just needed one FG and they win it. They couldn't hold on to the ball or get field position for ONE field goal for basically an entire half. No doubt that it goes back to the pats and Bill's adjustments but like... ONE FIELD GOAL

>>74112242
>You have the falcons game way too low and the eagles game way too high
The Eagles game wss the most back and forth, neck and neck super bowl in our lifetime

>>74112347
>ravens vs 49ers over patriots vs panthers
shit list

ATL only scored on 3 drives, after scoring on 66% during the playoffs and 50% during the season.

The NE D allowed 21 points. Give them some credit.

>>74112384
>domination 1st half against all expectations
>that slitty Beyonce half time
>that power outage
>that come back
>that down to the wire finish

It was one of the most characteristically different bowls ever.

>>74112208
>>74112347
I always completely forget that the Buccs won a super bowl in the middle of the pats dynasty.

>>74112411
>muh power outage
why does everyone talk about this like it's a thing? patriots vs panthers superbowl was an all out battle against two teams that wanted it and the kick was one of the most heartstopping moments in nfl history. it was much better than harblows "Scheme" safety shit

>>74112228
Cam kept getting hit after halftime. Pats OL at least made huge adjustments with their protections

>>74112363
>They couldn't hold on to the ball or get field position for ONE field goal for basically an entire half.
They did immediately before the Pats tied it

Boyz better be in the owl next year the NFC needs a real team not the meme of the year
I don't even like the puckers but those guys wouldn't blow a 25 point lead

>>74112499
And then choked it away.

ie it was a falcons choke

>>74111202

It feels like a Falcons choke but the early lead by halftime was deceptive. The Pats were moving the ball well. Brady had the pick 6 on what looked like a smooth TD drive. Also that fumble inside the 30 or so turned into a Falcons TD drive. So two plays are the difference between a 21-3 Falcons lead at halftime and a 17-7 Patriots lead at halftime. So I can see the argument for the Falcons having choked this away, but they never should have been up to begin with, and the best team definitely won. Calling it a Patriots Comeback.

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Heh. Killed before its time by the GOAT.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJkifu8w0yk

Colin Cowherd puts it best.
People beed to stop making it about one person. The pats don't have the most individually best anything. They ahve the "anti-formula". They have different targets every game and nobody gets greedy and leaves.

>>74111708
Beyonce and her ladies with Black Panther styled uniforms and raised fists.
>that's about it

>>74111664

Brady plays more games in bad weather (NE, BUF, NYJ) while Manning played more often in domes or good weather (IND, HOU, JKSV, TN). Take a look at their respective numbers in good and bad weather conditions and tell him that doesn't factor into their career stats and in-season efficiency. If you even out playing conditions, Brady blows Manning out of the water even in the regular season.

>>74112708
That's a lot of speculation.
Brady has the better team and coach pretty much every time as well. The colts are fucking terrible, even when they won.

>>74111708
God, Tomi is such an insufferable cunt.
>This land is your land...this land was made for you and me
yeah, no political message there.

Get back to sucking Beck's wrinkley neocon cock

>>74112364
Iggles fan here. Never felt close because I knew McNabb was going to come up small at the end.

It's blatantly fixed. The refs gifted the pats 3 first downs late in the first half to wear out the falcons defense and set up the comeback. Then the refs fucked the falcons out of fg range which would've ended it regulation.

Then factor in all the greatest ever commercials before the game even started and you can see how fixed it is.

>>74112518

This. The fact that the Falcons literally pissed away their chance at a game sealing field goal makes it a Falcon choke. It only takes one stupid, collossal piss-away for it to be regarded as a choke.

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>>74112848

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Has one of these in game win probability charts come out for the owl?

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>>74113026

>>74111602
>barring something absolutely flukey
Like getting sacked out of FG range followed by a ten yard penalty?

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>>74111214
>letting them play

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>>74113097
>99.6%

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Really good explanation of ATL's collapse.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/02/06/nfl-super-bowl-51-li-atlanta-falcons-defense-collapse-dan-quinn-kyle-shanahan-new-england-patriots

>>74113097

Ive been watching football ever since I came to the states 5 years ago and the big game has always looked 100 percent rigged

>2013
2nd half begins with an immidate kickoff return for a TD. Game loses interest. Lights go off. All of a sudden a completely different game. Hmmmm.

>2014
The highest scoring offense of all time suddenly shitting bricks? I don't think so.

>2015
The last play simply makes no sense. It's been discussed to death. Plus the seahawks jumping the line when Brady was in the endzone after is uncharacteristic.

>2016
Peyton was an old fart. He didnt even throw a single TD. So why the hell was the league MVP playing even worse all of a sudden?

>2017
And now this shit. I swear the NFL is propping up the pats the same way WWE props uo Cena.

>>74113195
I fon't want yo admit it, but i'll conceed that the owl always looks suspicious in how it ends up.

As a Falcons fan I think it was absolutely both.

The Patriots turned on the gas late in the 3rd quarter and played perhaps the finest final 20 minutes in Super Bowl history. It was just ridiculous to watch. Amazing throw after amazing catch after amazing run, etc. It would simply be bullshit to discredit the Patriots for that comeback. It was amazing.

But that choke job was so mindbogglingly sophisticated that only the Atlanta Falcons could pull that off. They were spanking them all night and just had to not blow an insurmountable lead in 1 quarter and they did it. I'm still in such disbelief I can't even be sad. I have now seen it all.

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>>74111202
Yes

You gotta play 4 quarters.
Falcons only played 3. They won those three, but they didn't play the 4th at all.

I'm inclined to blame it more on the falcons, but that doesn't really mean the pats are not the better team. It's like Goku vs Golden Frieza. GF was more powerful, but couldn't maintain his power for the whole fight and burnt out.

>>74113195
Bennett led the league in offsides in 2015 though, it was completely characteristic of that team

seahawks led the league in penalties by a large margin that year

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bad call at the end of the game

>>74113195
>2013
was a desperate attempt to make the game competitive for ratings
>2014
was a desperate attempt to legitimize the Seahawks (and the SB was purchased by the owner, look at how the Surface became the official tablet of the NFL the very next season and there was Microsoft advertising ALL OVER every broadcast the next season)
>2015
you're right, it doesn't make sense. unless it's rigged.
>2016
Peyton had to win his last owl, and he was promised it in 2014 for tanking against the Microsoft Seahawks
>2017
league wanted to push the "greatest ever" narrative in an attempt to salvage their tanking ratings. so they set up the greatest comeback of all time.

So fucking rigged

Still good to watch (just like I enjoyed WWE) but these wins mean nothing

>>74113325
so you'd rather tom sneak it across for the w? no thanks, i'm fine with White getting that

>>74113290
Their defense played 95 snaps.
Normal for a game is 60.
They were gassed.

>>74113325

Can't see the ball.

>>74113356

This is what I thought, they just couldn't put the same pressure on Brady that they had been for three quarters

>>74113325
nice vertical line fuckface

>>74113383
>>74113356
>>74113290
It goes back to the refs burning out the falcons by gifting the Patriots 3 consecutive 3rd down conversions

If those were correctly called, the Falcons defense would've saved 10 snaps for the end of the game.

It was clearly the refs rigging it to give the Pats an open door to comeback.

>>74113383
And remember, ATL wasn't playing zone. They played man to man nearly every down. Unsurprising that the NE receivers started getting open.

To me, this game was all about the Pat's defense. ATL had 12 possessions, scored on 3 of them. One third down conversion in the game. 5 3 and outs in the 2nd half. Average ATL drive was 4 plays.

>>74111943
Brady has literally the quickest release in the league. Garappolo is 2nd I think.

How hard you throw it is a dumb stat for NFL QBs.

>>74113433
You are talking about the obvious holding calls? The holding calls which were replayed, and shown to be pretty blatant?

>>74111943
It's almost as though throwing it too fast makes you worse because it's not catchable or something

weird

>>74113515
He literally doesnt

>>74113515
Manning had a faster release.

>>74113575
>Manning
Whatever. He was technically speaking probably the best QB to ever play. But it doesnt matter.
This is a team sport.

Its both. Brady absolutely turned on in the 4th and didn't stop.
But on the other hand the D fucking choked hard, they were ontop of Brady all game then suddenly Brady gets an hour in the box every play.
Ryan fucked up big time with the late sack but it really was the falcons Ds game to lose and lose they did.

>>74113575
>>74113515
Brees is faster than Brody as well

And Marino is the quickest I've ever seen

>>74113433
Nigga those holding calls were so blatant. What about the free extra point the Falcons got when the refs LITERALLY got the rule wrong?

>>74113582
Peyton Manning was too mentally weak to be considered Brady-tier.

>>74113629
>>74113523
the only thing blatant about it was how rigged it was for Tard Brody

>2002
Goku vs Piccolo Jr

>2004
Goku vs Vegita

>2005
Goku vs Frieza

>2008
Goku vs Android 19

>2012
Goku vs Perfect Cell

>2015
Goku vs Kid Buu

>2017
Goku vs Golden Frieza

>>74113645
>Manning
>mentally weak
He's probably the smartest Quarterback ever. He would literally have over 100 different playcall names that would change meaning on every huddle.

>>74113649
This fits perfectly

>>74111623
That's a good pepe famalam mind if I borrow it?

Can someone give me a link to a streaming website, where i can watch it in a decent quality?

Thanks in advance.

>>74113649
>Goku vs Android 19
I guess I missed those episodes. What happen other than the implied loss.

>>74113700
Honestly this is one of those superbowls that it best watched in highlight reel form. Most of the game is boring.

>>74113646
Good counterpoint

>>74113706
>I guess I missed those episodes. What happen other than the implied loss.
Goku gets beat up and suffers a major injury after getting beat by android 19. (See: tuck rule) and is absent from the show for a while.

>>74113706
Was sick (Pats were tired from going 18-0) and lost to an inferior opponent.

>>74113724
Isn't Android 19 the fat one that got BTFO by Vegeta?

>>74113738
Yes

>>74113672
Mentally weak in the sense that he can't handle pressure and make comebacks like a Brady or Elway. Manning would give up on games after going down by 2 scores.

The only time I remember Manning making a significant comeback was against the Patriots in Indianapolis.

>>74113732
I see now, solid comparison.

>>74113744
A lot of that is because Manning never had an amazing coaching staff around him to orchestrate comebacks.

Manning was essentially the coach of his teams.
Dungee is overrated trash that gets propped up because MUH FIRST BLACK COACH TO WIN and MUH SON

>>74113773
I can agree with this

>>74113649
Cell beats Goku?

>>74113805
>He doesn't know

>>74113744
or against the chargers in san diego right?

>>74113773

I hope Peyton goes into coaching instead of the front office. Seems like he'd be able to use his football acumen much better there.

>>74113805
>Cell beats Goku?
Kind of. He more so survives Goku.
The comparison is legitimate because Goku literally purposely lets cell blow him up to give his friends a chance.

In the game, the pats purposely let the Giants score a TD (it's actually a hilarious play, the guy tries to stop himself from going into the endzone but has too much momentum) so they can get the ball back and tey to win because otherwise the Giants could have run down the clock and kucked a FG.

>>74113773
Dungy > Caldwell at least

>>74113829
Peyton has a history in the league. Be it in the press at Sports Center or as a coach.

Brady will probably stay away from the limelight. It's clear he doesn't like the attention and isn't that great with the camera anyway.

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Mike mcarthy would be proud.

>>74111589
nice try COINTELPRO

The argument can absolutely be made that brady is the best QB. I don't think it's undeputable, but he is in the conversation.

But Bill B is so far and away better than every other active coach it's not even funny.

>>74113873
Nobody understands Bill. He's a normal guy when he's not coaching. He laughs, makes jokes, and honestly admits he makes mistakes (he almost challenged Julio's catch).

But when he is in game mode, he transforms and blocks out all distractions. He is the greatest coach in the hirstory of oalrganized sports. Greater than Red with the 60s celtics even.

too bad Brady's legacy is forever tarnished because he literally got suspended for cheating

he won't go down as goat, the cheating really shat all over his legacy

>>74113959
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law
It is taught in 8th grade.

Trivia: NE had 37 1st downs, ATL had only 45 offensive plays.

37 1st downs is a playoff record, and 7th most in NFL history (the record is 40).

>>74114028
Too bad he was literally suspended for ruining the integrity of the game

>>74114139
So over 10% of their first downs were gifted to them by the refs is what you're saying

The best part about btfo'ing Pats fans is that they're so salty and assblasted even after they get gifted a win.

Abandon thread.
The 12 year old trolls have gotten home from school.

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You can't honestly watch last night's game and tell me that this stuff isn't scripted.

>>74114176
>So over 10% of their first downs were gifted to them by the refs is what you're saying
If by refs you mean blatant penalties, then yes

>>74114237
You can. People who like Boston still are THAT retarded.

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>>74114176
>The best part about btfo'ing Pats fans is that they're so salty and assblasted even after they get gifted a win.
Oh my god, I'm crying right now

>>74114214
>tfw you're getting blown the FUCK out and you're trying to make the sadness go away

Tom Brady will forever be known as the Pete Rose of football.

>>74114237
Goodell despises Brady and went out of his way to fuck over the Patriots this season so what really makes you think he rigged this in his favor?

>>74114291
salt harvested from the tears of bautism fans who can't handle the bants about how the refs gifted them another game

Forget blaming the Falcons defense or offense, lets blame the atrocious play calling and absolute neglect of running the clock when they had a three score lead and making risky plays when they could have just ran the ball when the Patriots defense having trouble stopping Freeman

>>74113325
Im a Pats fan and if this was not a TD, Brady would have just sneaked it in next play. That would have been the sweetest score with him making the winning TD in OT no less.

>>74114321
>salt harvested from the tears of bautism fans who can't handle the bants about how the refs gifted them another game
Oh yeah, I'm sure Pats fans are so pissed off right now

>>74114334
they did very well to contain the run in the second half but atlanta should've pounded it up the gut anyways

>>74111202
1 question please Which is the best state or best city in the United States, for someone who only likes soccer and MLS (major league soccer) and who hates the NFL, NBA, MLB (Major league baseball) and NHL?

Is that I'm looking for places in the USA, where the major league soccer (MLS) is the dominant professional sports league and where soccer is the most popular sport of all

>>74114373
>Is that I'm looking for places in the USA, where the major league soccer (MLS) is the dominant professional sports league and where soccer is the most popular sport of all

literally nowhere

>>74114310

RATINGS
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He loves to be hated. People are buying into this shit more than ever now. Patriots are the best team, who antagonize the HATED COMMISSIONER. People will eat that shit up.

How many people you think tuned in extra long just to watch him hand off the trophy? How much you think those commercials are worth?

>>74111244
>the one asshole who was consider the HOTTEST qb in term of offensive cant make one point at the end of the 3 and 4th quarter

fuck right off

>>74111617
>the most vocal are the majority
Please stop. This was proven a meme a long time ago

>>74114143
>Suspended
The only reason he was suspended is because Jewdell can't let players have power over him otherwise everyone would sue his dumbass. Everyone knows deflategate is bullshit except for fucking retards.

The word 'choke' is way overused when a team loses, but in this case it was an astonishing choke indeed.

The elements of a choke are
a) One team is clearly superior to the other for more than half of the game / series
b) One team gets up big on the other
c) The better team starts making mistakes
d) Despite having plenty of time, and only needing to do the bare minimum to preserve victory, they panic and can no longer do the basics anymore
e) Their confidence shot, the entire watching world can see that the game is going to go the other way

All of those criteria were met. All they had to do was not fuck up even one time. Just run the ball a couple times more. Don't fumble on that sack. Don't lose 10 yards twice on a sack and holding penalty. Stop the Patriots just once over the last 5 drives....

They had all those chances and yet once the Pats got going the Falcons went from playing inspired to looking like they had no idea what they were doing. That has to be psychological - meaning they choked.

>>74114874
nice proxy fagget

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>>74113195

>Kearse's catch is rigged
>Edelman's catch is rigged

>>74112330
>enoug patience
c'mon, beer and endless food for 7 hours on a Sunday with little attention span needed and 10 replays if you happen to miss any of the 7.5 minutes of actual action.
I love football but give me hockey any day of the week.
'murrica babay

>>74112363
>Not to take away from the patriots
So you are saying the Pat's defense had nothing to do with that?

Is Matt Ryan no longer elite?

>>74115866
that's a trick question

>>74111244

Oh get real.

Don't give me that shit.

This is 90% Falcons choke, 10% Brady playing very well in 4th quarter.

The Falcons D was flattening the Pats the entire game. They got too excited in the 4th. This is by a far a choke.

Brady was good in the 4th, but ATL Defense failed entirely and one of the best regular seasons offenses in NFL history could not put a single point on the board.

>>74111202
Falcons choke. Making a few simple tactical adjustments on offense would have flipped the outcome by ending the game sooner. Offensive playcalling is something they had 100% control over and they lost as a direct result of the decision they made. That said, the Pats' rally was incredible.

>>74115731
more like Matt...Patrician amirite, Patsbros?

>>74113195
>>74113332
>rigged
The way the NFL was able to get the deflection, then the ball to Edelman with 3 ATL D around himand activate the magnets in his fingers and the ball as pretty obvious to everyone.

>>74114373
>Which is the best state or best city in the United States, for someone who only likes soccer
LA, they have a team and nobody in LA gives a fuck about anything. They show up late, they leave early. It's only about being seen there.

The sports media seems to be split on the decision of Brady being the GOAT but they all now say Bill is the GOAT coach.

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it was a fair game. Good game Brady & co.

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>>74113332
>The NFL is going to boost their ratings by making their most hated team win

>>74116358
>>>74113332
>>The NFL is going to boost their ratings by making their most hated team win
Pats are more popular than they are hated

>>74113332
yes that edelman catch was very well practiced before the game... dumb nigger

>>74111202
Falcons choke

You have one of the best offenses coming in SB history and you lay a egg the last two QTRs to play it safe

Matt Ryan didn't even get to call most of the plays they were too careful those dumb fucks

Not only that but they knew their defense was bottom tier yet trusted them more because of the first two quarters

>>74111202
Not mutually exclusive.

The Falcon's choke permitted the Patriot comback.

All they had to do was keep the ball on the fucking ground. You could see loser on their faces as soon as the Pats got that sack/fumble.

It never went away.

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Should have kicked a FG, lol.

>>74112708
Manning had 5 different head coaches lol.

>>74112708
yet peyton won a super bowl in bad weather, and brady never has

really makes the neurons fire.

>>74113355
Lol this is accurate.

>>74111589
God damn I fucking hate niggers.

>>74112730
Dungy is a hall of famer. Try another argument

>>74117002
>tfw I am a nigger that hates niggers