IQ gap between races

I don't think IQ is tied to genetics. You keep seeing those indices changing over the years, due to improvement in education. Also, I am guessing that the Chinese are so high because of their writing system. IQ tests are all about abstract images.

>>8984341
>I don't think IQ is tied to genetics

What?

That's exactly what IQ is, your genetic intelligence. It's not something you can raise by hardwork or study.

>>8984350
It literally is though. You can train problem solving and logic reasoning just like you can train any other skill.

>>8984350
IQ is your ability to solve complex problems. There does seem to be some developmental influences on it.
>>8984327
Europeans and males have a wider bell curve than women and Asians. Asians are generally smarter, but there are more geniuses and retards (IQ wise) among European males.

>>8984350
>You can't study for an IQ test and do better

Why are racists this brainlet?

>>8984360
What about that was racist?

I didn't say anything about race as I'm not OP, I'm just saying that you can go from a 90 IQ to a 140 IQ

>>8984356
So you're telling me anyone can be a genius if they study hard enough?

Seems unlikely as many people fail in this pursuit

>>8984327
>>8984358
Cite the sources please.

>>8984350
>That's exactly what IQ is, your genetic intelligence.
no
go back to /pol/

Here is a real IQ test for geniuses on /sci/

Makes a new language with grammar too complex for an average IQ guy like me to get.

The simple fact Asians have the most written grammatically complex languages on earth shows the difference in base intelligence between them and us whiteys.

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>>8984377
>sources
>IQ thread
Pick one

>>8984341
Intelligence varies between dolphins, horses, dogs, and other intelligent mammals. You're implying we can teach them to be as smart as us?
Humans are just another animal.
Animals also pass on instinct which is similar to human intuition and motivational urges. Who do you think passes on genes for higher IQ? 5 generations of scientists or 5 generations of do nothing welfare recipients?

>>8984327

>If Asians have higher IQs than Europeans then why are European nations more developed and contributed much more in all the fields.

Simple answer is: scientific and industrial revolution began in the West.

This gave white people a huge headstart.

>>8984396
Most dolphins are literally smarter than the average human on earth. Orcas are probably smarter than Ashkenazi jews since they can easily learn a language FROM ANOTHER SPECIES.

>>8984327
>why are European nations more developed

are they? Countries such as Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan are as developed as Europe, in some ways even more advanced

>>8984396
>Humans are just another animal.
sure, the difference is genetics in case of different human populations are negligible compared to other animals, because we expanded too fast for them to kick in

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>>8984358 >>8984377

Source:
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

>>8984396
I think you are confusing "inteligence" with IQ.
You can't measure something as complicated and deep as intelligence with a one dimensional number and by using shitty tests.
IQ tests measure the ability to solve some specific types of abstract problems. You can train yourself to solve them.
If you were studying mathematics all your life, of course you are going to be good at IQ test problems, while someone who could be potentially better than you isn't because he chose to become a farmer.

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>>8984327
WHERE IS THE MISSING RACE!!!

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>>8984327

I take the abnormally high IQ results for Asians, compared to their low achievements in government, pollution control, science, etc as more just a measure of testing ability. Asians tend to push their children to succeed in life, with the hope they will support the parents so they can retire. That tends to show a very low IQ, but the net result of being pushed constantly to test and study in school, rather than have a childhood, leads to better IQ results, out of sheer practice.

Asians in college faired very poorly in my school, and generally shouldn't have been there in the first place. Those who make it through college and get a job in their field fair far worse. I have never worked with anyone of Asian descent who was a competent programmer, and in all but one case, what little code they produced had to be rewritten for them by caucasians to avoid the crashes.

Around 95% of global warming pollution comes from Asia, and the Pacific ocean has practically been wiped out by Asian pollution. Overall, they demonstrate a very low, almost African, IQ judging by anything other than the IQ tests themselves.

>>8984327
>If Asians have higher IQs than Europeans
The difference is absolutely irrelevant, OP. The standard IQ deviation is 15, not 5.

>>8984385
>saying that IQ is genetic is now a /pol/ stance

Are you retarded or something?

>>8984400
Using what technology?

Oh right tech that was developed in the west...

>>8984447
IQ is literally a social construct

>>8984327
Western culture allows people to try new things, even if they fail. This leads to competition and growth.

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>>8984427
>Around 95% of global warming pollution comes from Asia
That's not true. Yes, China generates the most, but the idea that the US and Europe aren't contributing a lot too is absurd.

>>8984447
Of course your genes have to do something with your intelligence. But this retarded OP is thinking that your genes almost completely determine your IQ test results and that's just false.

>>8984341
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>>8984427
>>8984437

>Like most aspects of human behavior and cognition, intelligence is a complex trait that is influenced by both genetic and environmental factors.

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/intelligence

IQ is genetic AND environmental, it's a mixture of both. Those that deny IQ is genetic are just as dumb as those that claim IQ is 100% genetic.

>>8984449

there is plenty of R&D going on in the east nowadays, so no, it is a mix of western and eastern tech

>>8984463
Literally what I said in my post you fucknigger

>>8984465
I'm just replying to everyone who mentioned IQ, calm your tits

>>8984468
It's a thread about IQ you autist

>>8984413
I think that's where gorillas fit in

>>8984463

>those that claim IQ is 100% genetic

I dont think anyone actually believes that

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>>8984470
>complains that someone replied to him in a mass reply post
>calls other people autistic

>>8984463
>Those that deny IQ is genetic
nobody did this here

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>>8984457
> Pie chart representing official, misreported, Chinese pollution statistics

China, as with their population reporting and currency control, lies profusely in reporting pollution statistics. That chart is based on official numbers, not actual. Studies show that 30% of San Francisco's air pollution comes from China, which is far more accurate a number and completely destroys that 30% claim. You can probably double or more the China portion in that graph.

Also, much of the pink 30% is Asia, so even in the official, not actual, statistics, Asia (India to Japan, about 80% of the world's population) provides close to 81% of global air pollution.

Also, while the US and EU are rapidly reducing their pollution output, China is rapidly increasing its own. That also fails to take into account the effect of China and Asia using the Pacific as its own private land fill, which has reduced fish and plant populations to a fraction of a percent of their 1963 levels. That greatly reduces carbon sequestration and pollution remediation by ocean wildlife, greatly increasing the problem.

It was reasonable to do the "blame whitey" and "blame the US" shit back in the 70s, when it was accurate, but the liberal blame standards don't apply in 2017. They need to be completely overhauled, in fact. Those who continue to use them are irrelevant to the discussion because they just don't reflect the modern situation.


"About 29% of San Francisco’s pollution comes from China"
http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/environmental-issues/about-29-of-san-franciscos-pollution-comes-from-china-42334/

>>8984404
>>8984393
>can different st'd deviations account for..

Well what are they? The deviations
From your pic it seems to me asians have an ST'd of 8 and whites of 15.

This is not documented.

This is probably the reason the picture leaves out the actual numbers.

Or the author is low IQ.

Or both.

>>8984622 >>8984457 >>8984427

This is a thread about IQ, not CO2 Emissions . The 2 things are not related.

India has High CO2 Emission & Low IQ
China has High CO2 Emission & High IQ
Scandinavia has Low CO2 Emission & High IQ
Africa has Low CO2 Emission & Low IQ

See the 2 variables are not related. There is no correlation whatsoever.

>>8984645
>India has High CO2 Emission & Low IQ
What's India's IQ

their optimum is most certainly in the 90's, even according to right wing hbd 'race specialists'

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>>8984463
>IQ is genetic AND environmental, it's a mixture of both. Those that deny IQ is genetic are just as dumb as those that claim IQ is 100% genetic.

The twin studies I've seen show a difference of between 5 and 15 IQ points between twins who had a strong family environment and those who had a poor one, generally about 10 points. That places Asian IQs at about 95 compared to the Caucasian 100 with the Asian tendency to push children removed. It also places the "nurture" component of IQ at around 10%, and 90% genetics.

Most of the nature vs nurture studies come out about the same, whether crime statistics, IQ results, murder rates (as opposed to overall crime), career success, etc - 10% environment vs 90% genetic disposition.

>>8984645
>India has High CO2 Emission & Low IQ
>China has High CO2 Emission & High IQ
>Scandinavia has Low CO2 Emission & High IQ
>Africa has Low CO2 Emission & Low IQ

A side discussion developed regarding Asian pollution. That sort of thing happens in most threads. You should try to get used to it.

Studies indicate that moral reciprocity is closely related to IQ, and I would suggest moral behavior in general. Asia shows a very, *very* low regard for morality and ethics. Japan signed an agreement not to hunt whales until the populations could recover, but never honored that agreement. China has wiped out the entire Pacific ocean similar to what Europe did to the closed Mediterranean in the 70s and the US to the Great Lakes. Europe and the US quickly addressed their problems, while Asia has just lied more aggressively in response. I believe that that should greatly reduce any estimation of *actual* Asian IQs compared to the test results.

India has High CO2 Emission & Low IQ
China has High CO2 Emission & *Low* IQ
Scandinavia has Low CO2 Emission & High IQ
Africa has Low CO2 Emission (due to low industrialization) & Low IQ

fixed that for you

>>8984350
>That's exactly what IQ is, your genetic intelligence. It's not something you can raise by hardwork or study.

no, because no matter what the genes have been influenced heavily by the environment at the point where you are testing IQ.

if there was a way to probe a newborn baby's brain and measure IQ, i would agree with you, but there isnt.

>>8984389
Japanese grammar is quite simple.

Some European languages are quite complex grammatically.

Sanskrit is closely related to Latin.

I don't think that you understand what you're talking about.

>>8984667
>That places Asian IQs at about 95 compared to the Caucasian 100 with the Asian tendency to push children removed.

The Degenerate Hollywood & Nigger Pop Culture (Shitty Movies, Music, TV Shows, etc) dumb down the West.

Asians & Jews value Education & push the Children.

However you need to account that Dumb people reproduce faster & have more offspring.

So the tendency is our civilization become dumber over time.

Unless a War (as WW2) or a Pandemics (as Black Death in Medieval Europe) kill periodically the dumber people.

The Black Death in Medieval Europe is pointed as the main cause of the fast progress of European Science in Late Middle Ages.

During the Black Death in Medieval Europe, the dumber European peasants with poor hygiene died while the smartest & cleanest Europeans elite survived.

These Smarter European survivors then began a rapid progress of Science & expansion by conquering, slaving & colonizing lesser races.

But seems that nowadays dumber Westerners influenced by Nigger/California Pop Culture began multiplying again, gradually dumbing down the society back to the Middle Age Levels.

>>8984685
How do you explain US, UK, France & Germany then faggot?

US, UK, France & Germany have High CO2 Emission & High (Low?) IQ

>>8984667
>It also places the "nurture" component of IQ at around 10%, and 90% genetics.
yes,if you are a retard that has no idea what heritability means

his link and many others say a figure of 50% variance in intelligence between individuals is due to genes
>>8984685
You are fucking delusional
Trump kills PCA, but it's China's fault - since East asians are like instects
I bet you supported trump though
>>8984692
>bacteria selected based on intelligence

>>8984622 >>8984457 >>8984427 >>8984656 >>8984685 >>8984695

This is a thread about IQ, not CO2 Emissions . The 2 things are not related.

US, UK, France & Germany have High CO2 Emission & High IQ
India has High CO2 Emission & Low IQ
Scandinavia has Low CO2 Emission & High IQ
Africa has Low CO2 Emission & Low IQ

See the 2 variables are not related. There is no correlation whatsoever.

>>8984656
>What's India's IQ
The average IQ in India is measured at about 82, about comparable to averages in the US for African Americans (85).

"World map of National IQ Scores by Country"
http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=2812

"National IQ Scores - Country Rankings"
http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

testing

>>8984327
History and culture. Eventually they will probably surpass us if they work hard and maintain good values

>>8984704
>is measured at about 82,
Yeah 'measured' by Richard lynn.

Don't be absurd

>>8984699
>bacteria selected based on intelligence

Black Death killed the people with poor hygiene & nutrition (so dumber)

People with good hygiene & nutrition (so smarter) don't died.

>>8984692

>>8984710
I don't think you understand how life was back then.

>>8984692
Many intellectuals died during and shortly after WWII though, and during the Black Death intellectuals living in cities were more at risk than peasant due to higher concentration and transit of possibly infected people.

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>>8984699
>You are fucking delusional
>Trump kills PCA, but it's China's fault - since East asians are like instects
>I bet you supported trump though

If you would like to join the discussion, discus, don't just post unsupported political hatred.

The PCA was destroying the environment. Pollution controls in Europe and the US move production to Asia, where pollution controls don't exist. People don't stop using cell phones, they're just force to live with Asian built ones. A cell phone that would have produced 1 pound of recovered pollution in the US now creates 10 pounds of un-recovered pollution in China, thanks to the PCA. Without a closed system, with all manufacturers involved, any climate or pollution agreement will have a worsening effect, not act to improve.

I voted not-Hillary. I had to base on her email problems and her lack of accomplishments as secretary of state. I didn't vote against the Obama.

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>>8984327
> why are European nations more developed
Apparently you've never been to Tokyo.

> contributed much more in all the fields
Name one invention a European did that wasn't directly involved in killing the guy who lived on the other side of the front line.

Face it. The only thing Europeans are good at is slaughtering each other.

>>8984711
>I don't think you understand how life was back then.
They weren't intentionally hygienic, but studies do show that the black death hit the lower classes hardest. Upper class folks got to ride horses or in carriages while lower classes got to walk in the feces and rat filled streets, for instance.

Clean cities didn't start showing up until the cholera plague of London, but he's right - the plague hit the lower classes harder than the higher ones.

>>8984736
>Name one invention a European did that wasn't directly involved in killing the guy who lived on the other side of the front line

I don't know, the credit card? Although it could conceivably be used that way if you're very good at ninjutsu.

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>>8984327
Your curves are off. Black IQ in the US averages 110. I thought I proved that in the last 6 times you tried this thread.

>>8984711 >>8984736 >>8984740 >>8984710 >>8984667 >>8984747

These explanation "dumber people gets killed" is very similar to "dumber people gets arrested"


Why Japan, China, Korea & Vietnam have an IQ much higher than neighboring Thai or Philippines?

WW2 in East Asia killed 20 millions of Chinese & 3 millions of Japanese (200.000 by US Nukes)
The Chinese Civil War killed 6 million Chinese peeple.
The Korean Civil War killed 1.6 millions.
The Vietnam War killed 1.2

The dumb people get killed first. It explain why East Asians have high IQ for now.

Because Dumb People died, Smart people survived.

For the same reason the USA emerged as Superpower after the American Civil War.

American Civil war Killed at least 750000 White Americans. The Dumb get killed. It raised the American IQ. Then USA become superpower.

WW1 Killed about 39 millions of Europeans. WW2 Killed about 73 millions of Europeans, Americans & East Asians.

The reason that Europe, USA & East Asian IQ still high it's because the World War killed most of Dumb People.

But naturally the dumb people reproduce more so periodic wars & pandemics are required to keep the World IQ high.

>>8984736
>Name one invention a European did that wasn't directly involved in killing the guy who lived on the other side of the front line.

Jeebus! I think I can name a few. How about the printing press, the cotton gin, dynamite (for mining), manned flight (European descent, at least), AC power (Tesla, born in Europe), automobiles, hot air balloons, western medicine (though Pasteur's work), space craft (heavily influenced by von Braun, and Goddard was of European descent, of course). The list is endless, in fact the list if European and European descent inventions is almost identical to the list of inventions.

>>8984747
> I don't know, the credit card?
Nope. Invented by a banker named John Biggins in Brooklyn in 1946. NOT European.

And, by the way, it was invented due to post-World War II scarcity, and a delay in government paychecks to returning Armymen.

Try again.

>>8984733
He's a retard who apparently doesn't know the black death didn't affect Europe equally, nor did it only affect Europe. Not to mention that bacteria actually kill smart people too since hygiene back then was non-existent.
>>8984734
>trump actually helped climate
>>8984751
>only dumb people went to war
>soldiers were dumb
>only dumb civilians died

>>8984327
haha FUCK NIGGERS FUCKING SUBHUMAN ANIMALS lynch/deport all spics, too

there's my contribution to this thread

>>8984752 >>8984736 >>8984747

But actually the Science evolve faster during War times

Science advanced incredibly fast during the World Wars & Cold War
From Nuclear Bombs to Landing on Moon

Include also: Nuclear Power, Computers Airplane, Helicopters, Machine Guns, Tanks, Submarines, Cars, Electricity, Modern Medicine, Anesthesia, New Chemicals, etc.

>>8984756
Sorry, I meant chip card.

>>8984783
dumbass soldiers have an average IQ of at least the IQ of the general population or higher since complete retards don't get to go to the military

think before you write

>>8984760 >>8984751
>only dumb people went to war
Only dumb people go to the war's battlefront line in suicide missions.

Yes the dumb Chad. Muscular guy type which can't to do math. The guys with less Brain Cells & more Muscle Mass.

Smart people go for high hierarchy in Military or become Scientists which work in places far away from BattleFront Lines.

>only dumb civilians died
Smart civilians escape.

For example in Holocaust the Dumb Jews were killed. While the Smart Jews like Einstein & Oppenheimer fled to USA.

>>8984790
>dumbass soldiers have an average IQ of at least the IQ of the general population or higher since complete

Not in World War times. In World War times everyone capable to carry a gun was called.

>>8984792
for you >>8984790
soldiers that die on the battlefield are of a certain age
also smart soldiers die long before they become MUH SCIENTISS

god, you are so pathetic

>>8984790
In the modern days if the average IQ guy is called it will became much worse now.

It means that the low IQ can now reproduce safely in the homeland dumbing down the IQ

The modern military requirement let the average IQ guy die on middle east battlefield

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>>8984752
> printing press
Merely a mechanization of woodblock printing, a Chinese invention

> cotton gin
American.

> dynamite
Really?

> manned flight
American

> AC power
Electricity is not an invention

> Automobiles
Really?

> Hot air balloons
Really?

> western medicine
Pasteur was commissioned by the king of France to make better wine. I'll give you that one. Europeans drink between wars.

> space craft
First manned? Soviet Union.

So I guess you win - Europeans have invented better ways of getting stinking drunk. I guess that makes killing each other easier.

>>8984800
>soldiers that die on the battlefield are of a certain age
Exactly. Soldiers that die on the battlefield in the peak of reproductive age. If they are killed in combat before they can reproduce.

>>8984807
3/10, you slacked off quite a bit with this post.

>>8984806
You have 1000 people with an avg IQ of X
You remove 100 people with an avg IQ of X(they died in a war)
What changed?
>>8984809
Are you brain damaged.
Soldiers on the battlefield are typically young - long before they can become scientists, like in your scenario.

>>8984807
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_inventions_and_discoveries

Take your pick

And that's just England, Europeans basically built the world. You're using the Internet which was developed in Europe.

Also white Americans ARE Europeans

>>8984828
>Europeans basically built the world
This statement depends on the time period. Europe is not homogeneous.

Oh and btw, white Americans are not Europeans. Their ancestors surely were.

>>8984807
Sergei Korolev a Ukrainian was responsible for Soviet space flight

Ukraine is a European nation

>>8984835
>you're ethnicity changes as you move

So African American and Europeans must be the same ethnicity then?

>>8984843
European is not an ethnicity.

>>8984835
Europeans encompass natives of Europe

Europeans have been in charge since Rome

>>8984844
Are you retarded?

>>8984847
In charge of what exactly. They (first euros, then US and USSR) really started to dictate what happens around the world in terms of culture fairly recently.
Proof of that is that western culture is literally everywhere in some form or another.
>>8984848
European is neither a race nor an ethnicity.
And you fucking know this.

>>8984844
Clearly a troll

>>8984752 >>8984736 >>8984747
Science evolve faster during War times

Do you guys never heard of Hegel? The greatest German Philosopher besides Kant?

Do you guys never heard of Hegel's Dialectics?

War evolve Science. Because the Progress require Dialectics the conflict between opposite sides.

This is the basis of Modern Philosophy & the basis for the Marx Communism.

>>8984751 >>8984792

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>>8984854
>European is neither a race nor an ethnicity.
>And you fucking know this.

>>8984854
You're right race is a social construct created by evil racists

NAZIS FUCK OFF

THIS IS AN ANTIFA THREAD NOW

>>8984856
>>8984862
>>8984867
Even modern day Europeans are a mixture of first homo sapiens euros and some people from asia.

If you want to talk about a race then it's Caucasian - if you want to talk about ethnicities - it's german, italian, russian, maghrebi etc.

>>8984327
Do you think every peasant in China was tested?
Do you think every peasant in the West was tested?

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>>8984877
Stop replying to him

Don't you see he's a shitskins whoes triggered by European superiority

>>8984397
Yeah and it was just a coincidence it started in Europe obviously.

>>8984884
Well different things started different places.
First civilizations(with a writing system) were in mesopotamia, egypt and china

>>8984327
Its both

Genetic intelligence * environmental factors * education

Your brain is like a muscle, people who train to solve problems that IQ tests will get better IQ scores because their brain has grown synapses that help with those tasks.

Some brains are just superior at growing these synapses like some people are natural athletes.
I saw somewhere another IQ chart showing the relation between IQ and wealth separating for race and even though the relation was linear blacks still lagged behind.

>>8984341
If IQ isn't based on genetics then why are people with downs syndrome lacking in IQ?

>>8984888
And yet they were still surpaced despite having a head start

>>8984854
Then what is it, if not a subgroup of the human species that is cloistered in a small area of earth, who share similar genetic traits? Europeans are (were) an isolated group. That is, by definition, an ethnicity.

Damn, I'm liberal, and even a gay male, but I just can't stand the new left. Just because an injustice that was somewhat related to a concept happened or happens doesn't mean you have the right to rewrite definitions or history. True liberals need a new movement like the alt right had. A party that espouses the real values of liberalism and western thought - free, unfettered markets, and common sense progressive, social values, not the amalgamations of fascism and inclusiveness the Tumblr community tries to push on us.

>>8984902
They weren't surpassed... the citizens of the Fertile Crescent are the grandfathers of modern Europeans

>>8984902
everybody gets surpassed at some point, because things change
>>8984903
the only classification that provides a somewhat isolated grouping of humans is in 5 races - european isn't one of them
it's caucasian, mongoloid, australoid, american indian, negroid
Yeah i'm sure you are a gay male liberal - seeing as you are basically a race denier
>>8984905
WE
WUZ

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>>8984912

>>8984912
Is there another territory caucasians presently natively come from besides Euroasia?

>>8984947
>natively come from
every continent basically
native is when you are born there and if you have lived there for generations - even more so
>inb4 butthurt indigenous populations

>>8984963
Then that mean i must be a native america, where do i collect my benefits i wish to open a casino right away!

Stop being stupid hundreds of thousand years of evolution out weights a few generations in a different area

If i move to china and with my white wife and have kids there that doesn't mean the kids are ethnically Chinese. If you think they are you probably need to take a biology class for once.

>>8984992
race != being native to a continent
your race doesn't really change, where you are native to does

if history wasn't recorded white australians would have no idea their ancestors 500 years ago lived somewhere else

the only reason you confuse race and where you are from is because history is recorded and there is memory, heightened awareness, especially on this site

besides caucasians were perfectly native to some parts of what china is - before

>>8984327
yer pic is fake

>>8984807
>> printing press
>Merely a mechanization of woodblock printing, a Chinese invention
>> cotton gin
>American.
You seemed like a lib-nazi trying to diminish European and European descended peoples' accomplishments, I included both.

>> dynamite
>Really?
Alfred Nobel, Swedish, who held 355 other patents. Gun power was invented separately in Europe, apart from it's Asian counterpart, by alchemists who blew up their labs (gun powder was invented earlier in China when sulfur and charcoal were mixed trying to produce an eternal life elixir for the Emperor, but never made it to Europe). Dynamite, which is a controlled version of nitro-glycerine, was invented by Alfred Nobel.

>> manned flight
>American
... of European descent ... as I pointed out

>> AC power
>Electricity is not an invention
AC generators and transformers, which were both developed by Nikolai Tesla, are.

>> Automobiles
>Really?
Initially in Germany by Benz and Daimler, 1885–1886, but quickly followed elsewhere by other European and European descended peoples.


>> Hot air balloons
>Really?
Montgolfier brothers, France, 1885


>> western medicine
>Pasteur was commissioned by the king of France to make better wine. I'll give you that one. Europeans drink between wars.
... and invent entire fields of science that have led to the control and even eradication of many diseases


>> space craft
>First manned? Soviet Union.
... developed by German scientists, and I consider Russia to be most closely related to Europe. The earliest work on rocketry came from Goddard, but many key aspects were invented by von Braun, like the turbo pump which is required to deliver enough fuel into the combustion chamber.


>So I guess you win - Europeans have invented better ways of getting stinking drunk. I guess that makes killing each other easier.
Why the bitterness toward Europe? Are you Asian, or did a European once kill your bunny?

>>8984888
>First civilizations(with a writing system) were in mesopotamia, egypt and china

Actually, the earliest writing has been found in modern day Ukraine, which would have been the precursors to the Scythians, who were tall, blond haired and light eyed according to the Romans and Greeks. Science didn't find out about it until the 2000s because the former soviet union hindered scientific study.

Mesopotamia is also an early start, and in close contact with the Scythians, it would seem. Egypt and China are hard to pin down. Every year different DNA results give a new identity for Egyptians and the earliest Chinese were the Taklamakan peoples, who were tall, light skinned, light haired and dressed like middle ages Irish. Very hard to guess what's going on.

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>>8985084
Try to convince Wikipedia then

Most History Professors agree that
>First civilizations(with a writing system) were in mesopotamia, egypt and china

>>8984341
>I don't think IQ is tied to genetics
Is this some sort of flat-earth tier science denial or just a meme?

>>8984377
>>8984393

Did you even read your own source you retard?

>An Asian distribution with a standard deviation 39 % of the white brings the two smart fractions into coincidence. An even narrower distribution would be required to explain the Lynn-Vanhanen data. Either way, there is no evidence to support such a difference in spread. I'm afraid we will have to look elsewhere for an explanation.

>Either way, there is no evidence to support such a difference in spread. I'm afraid we will have to look elsewhere for an explanation.

>tfw ywn be white
Why did I have to be born as a literal sub-human nigger sometimes I wish I was white or could just end my inferior existence.

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>>8985543

Spatial/Math intelligence is inversely correlated to your (ancestors) distance to the equator.

Spatial/Math intelligence is overrated and not useful considering the social complexity of civilization. As jobs become more automated and people become more specialized, Verbal intelligence becomes vastly more important. Verbal intelligence has shown to be mostly equal (+-5%) among all races save Ashkenazi Jews and Australoids.

The picture attached shows verbal intelligence racial demographics from this site: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/verbal-intelligence-by-demographic/#.WUiiqxPyv5Z

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>>8984327
> why are European nations more developed and contributed much more in all the fields.

Most "White" Scientists & Nobel Prize Winners are actually Jews.

>>8984429

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>>8985586 >>8984327

Most "White" Nobel Prize Winners are actually Jews.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

Jews have much higher IQ than both Nordic Whites or Asians

Most top "White" Scientists in the World are actually Jews.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_scientists

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>>8984327 >>8985594
The most influential "European" & "American" Thinkers in History were actually Jews.

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>>8984327 >>8985599
Even the God of Christians was a Jew.

>>8984327
Verbal intelligence as another anon has mentioned, must also be taken into account

Also, whether the culture encourages risk-taking, creativity and innovation. Asian-americans, especially indian-americans, earn more than white americans, due to a cultural push towards education (which also increases measured IQ), but their culture also pushes them towards high-paying yet "traditional" jobs, instead of trying to "shake up" the system, so to speak. I'm not sure about actual India, but in many East Asian countries, there is a centuries-long value system of conformity and adhering to authority, moreso than in other countries.

>>8985599
you're a fucking weirdo dude. When is the last time you got laid?

>>8985599
Marxism is hardly a benefit to society, in fact very much the opposite. The same can be said for most of jewish contribution. Jews view them as wonderful and everyone else thinks "crap, another jew trying to destroy the earth".

>>8985594
>The most influential "European" & "American" Thinkers in History were actually Jews.
> picture of Karl Marx, influential destroyer of economies and lives

I think we will need a forum that specifies "no racist, self involved, thoughtless, convinced of their value even as they force legitimate intelligentsia out of their jobs, jews". The sign need only read: "no jews".

>>8985764
Most Jews dont follow Judaism anymore but i agree on your view on Marxism.
Can you link a source to how most Jewish contribution degraded society?

>>8985604
>*prophet

>>8984413
slav

Why does pol care about skin color so much, then try to laugh at the idea that race is nothing but skin color.

Look at how much they argue over who is "really white." Meanwhile none of them can offer a solid scientific or genetic definition of race.

>>8986046
well he was part of the ol' holy trinity..

>>8986105
Why is it so easy to trigger you SJWtards

>>8986118
Why are you so dumb and why do you constantly raid /sci/ looking for emotional validation?

>>8985764
I think he is saying that Marx is a Zionist notice how he changed it to "influential"

>>8986123
>why does /sci/ raid /sci/
Wat?

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>>8984327
Social pressure from immediate circumstances pushes Asians to achieve more. Evidence that aspiration provides more help in the area of intelligence.

>inb4 IQ is a factor of race lmao
Listen here, Subhuman, anyone can gain more intelligence through study and education. To deny that would disgrace the pursuit of knowledge.

>inb4 my base intelligence is higher than blacks' base intelligence lmao
Are you fucking stupid? Do you realize what a human with base intelligence looks like? They're feral retards who have no problem dragging their knuckles through their own fecal matter. Base intelligence is a meme and nobody has been studied using base intelligence because that would essentially make you a 7-month old infant.

The entirety of the IQ thesis is based on the will to educate oneself and, sure, there are racially pressing factors like an Asian's parents' expectations and cultural factors as well but a white person with an equal passion for knowledge is not limited to be dumber than an Asian.

>>8984327
culture
>asian culture
smart people are respected and looked up to while idiots are frowned upon
>white culture
smart people are viewed as creepy but ok while idiots are frowned upon
>hispanic culture
same as white but with large amounts of Negros people in their countries as they are too multicultural
>negro culture
smart people are frowned upon as being blasphemous and mean, while dumb people are looked up to.

these people breed with their preference. black girls fuck dumb niggers, white girls fuck anything with a big wallet and Asian girls respect smart people more than usual.

>>8986179
>anyone can gain intelligence
nope, your fluid intelligence peaks at around 23

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>>8984327
Race is not a scientific concept. If you want to discuss pseudoscience, go to >>>/x/
If you want to discuss social science (which covers race using anthropology), go to >>>/his/

Otherwise please go back from whence you came.

>>>/b/
>>>/pol/

>>8986105
It's hard to put a definition of Race, but it's clearly there. If it wasn't we would all be the same color.

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>>8984398
>Orcas are probably smarter than Ashkenazi jews

>>8986244
/b/ and /pol/ would never touch the floor if it was about basic human decency

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>>8984341
fpbp

http://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/news/articles/2017/01/making-ai-systems-see-the-world-as-humans-do.html

>Develop an AI that can recognize and produce abstract sketches of concepts (e.g. you can order it to "draw a dog", "draw a house") like a 5-year-old
>They repurpose it to solve Raven's Progressive Matrices after being trained with sketches of people, cars, dogs, houses
>It scores 120, 1 SD above the average white male. It has trouble with the same problems that give most humans trouble.
The more data and images you train the AI with, the higher it scores. That's because IQ test scores are primarily based on training of abstract imagery.

> I am guessing that the Chinese are so high because of their writing system. IQ tests are all about abstract images.
ding ding ding ding.

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>>8984327
>Posting fake curves based on statistical practices like cherrypicking studies and then renorming the results

>>8984389
>The simple fact Asians have the most written grammatically complex languages on earth shows the difference in base intelligence between them and us whiteys.
Don't worry. Most East Asian languages feature grammar about on par with your intelligence.

>this is a really clever way of calling you a simpleton

>>8986179

>anyone can gain more intelligence through study and education.

Sure, but some people gain more and some gain less for the same effort. Because some are just genetically more clever and some are not. Explains that persistent intelligence gap between races.

>>8986265

train two different neural net architectures and they are going to train at different rates and also reach different accuracy

> I am guessing that the Chinese are so high because of their writing system. IQ tests are all about abstract images.

There are many East Asians living in the West who dont know/use Chinese writing systems. Do they still have above average IQ?

>>8984341
Then why does south korea have a higher iq than Japan and China. "Hangul" (or whatever the fuck its called is a full alphabeth and its the only writing system used in korea (ignoring the latin alphabeth). Only japs and chinks use ideographs.

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>decide to head over to /sci/, see what this board has
>it's just another /pol/

>>8984350
>That's exactly what IQ is, your genetic intelligence. It's not something you can raise by hardwork or study.
no one can measure that, it's a metric used to measure your intelligence. It has a quite good predictability with respect to life-outcomes and academic performance

>>8984474
There are some people who claim that, but they come from a position where they don't think that eviornment is that seperate from genetics. Who makes the IQ nurturing eviornment for their kids, mostly high IQ people. It's a very dubious position start from, that form of word play/reasoning leads very quickly to all sorts of nonsense

>>8984690
>>8984389
Holy shit you guys are retarded.

Actual linguist here. What europeans consider "complicated grammar" is just complicated morphology and well developed case systems.

Languages fall on a spectrum, where languages that are highly morphologically complicated are called "synthetic" and languages that arent are called "analytic".

English and chinese falls on the analytic side, german falls somewhere in the middle (middle-analytic mabye), latin somewhere in the middle, PIE was middle-synthetic mabye, and languages like finnish and aztec are highly synthetic.

People who speak english tend to think that languages on the syntheitc side are more "complicated" than languages on the analytuical side, mostly because of "muh cases", "muh tenses", "muh aggulation", but most englishmen also completely overlook the complicated parts of analytical languages, most importantly the syntax.

In a language like finnish you can string together three words, and as long as you inflict them correctly, the sentence will make sense.

In english, if you wanted to do the same, you'd usually need to use thrice the ammount of words, and you'd need to pay an extreme amount of attention to getting things all in the right order. Amerifats overlook this for some reason i only half-way understand.

>>8984389
>>8984389
You might sort of understand this abstractly, but good luck learning this, and GOOD FUCKING LUCK learning to write and speak it with any sort of fluency.

>>8984807
>First manned? Soviet Union.
you mean nazis, just because they were kidnapped doesn't mean they stopped being nazis

>>8986389
QwQC2e is a google link

>tfw none of these races
At least I'm not black.

>>8986441
what are you?

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>>8984372

You're assuming a high score on an IQ test equates to intelligence and not ability to succeed at said test; and yes, hard work can - to a certain extent - improve ones ability to think logically, identify concepts, learn, and retrieve knowledge more efficiently

Read the bell curve. The nurture vs. nature debate is over. Now it's just a matter of how much a trait is influenced by nurturing. Current data in cognitive sciences suggest it's anywhere from 20-40%. IQ is simply a measure of general intelligence, which is not affected by whether or not you study. IQ is a very good measure of g, but not a perfect one.

>>8986469
I think that >>8986399 's guy can be Arab, Turk, Persian, South & Southeast Asian, Native American, Polinesian, Hapa , etc

>>8984350
I think it's about like weightlifting. Everybody can get stronger from weightlifting, to an extent depending on how hard/well you go at it, but a small asian woman will never compete with big nordic men. The strongest men will always be those who were near the top genetically AND trained really fucking hard. Also, I suspect that someone with a naturally high IQ can train themselves much better than a lower IQ person. No 90 will ever become a 140, but a 125 might, and a 140 is even likelier to reach 160.

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>>8985585
thanks for the link. i find this one quite interesting

>>8986040
>Can you link a source to how most Jewish contribution degraded society?
It's hard to pinpoint facts about societal development, but Jewish people have definitely been a double edged sword to their host nations.

>>8986105
/pol/ is not a hivemind. Most intelligent leave after a while, not so much for ideological reasons, but because it's the same old discussions over and over again and a lot of low effort bait and shilling for different groups, wether left or right.

>>8986179
>Social pressure from immediate circumstances pushes Asians to achieve more. Evidence that aspiration provides more help in the area of intelligence.
I think there's truth to that, but honestly instead of betterment I'm observing a push for anti-intellectualism and sheer insanity that makes it harder for children to grow up healthy and ambitious than it used to be.

>>8986291
sexual selection in different circumstances i guess

>>8986399
Pajeet or Sand Nigger

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>>8986040
> Can you link a source to how most Jewish contribution degraded society?

Naturally you mean apart from the killing of Franz Ferdinand that started WW I. You surely mean to exclude the Bolshevik revolution, which destroyed Eastern Europe and subjected so many to effective slavery. You can't mean the constant self elevation of jews in the west to a sort of privileged 'race' - you can't even debate the Jewish settlements without being labeled "racist" and "antisemitic". You can't mean whatever perceived slights Hitler suffered that led him to become anti-semitic and force Germany into a war, which he then prevented them from winning and in the end destroyed, Germany, Russia and most of Europe. You can't mean the near halt placed on physics and the sciences in general as Jews have nudged themselves into prominent positions. Those are so obvious you can't mean to bring them up.

Perhaps, then, we can start with the way blacks and now Latinos mimic the Jewish privileged race status and have decided everything is white peoples' fault. The Jewish "everything I disagree with is anti-semitic" has been copied exactly by blacks, but now with the benefit of riots and shootings. That's at least recent enough for a start.

>>8986244
>Race is not a scientific concept.
I don't think anyone outside of the US Nazi Party (democrats) still believes that. It was a wild, hair-brained, ploy to try in the first place. If you're planning to convince anyone of anything, I would start by discarding that failed pseudoscience.

>>8987054
>race is real
i always get blue balls when someone says that waiting for them to name the races

>>8986291
>train two different neural net architectures
or train the same one for different epochs with different data and get different results.

can you prove that different races of human brains have different architectures?
it's been proven for males and females (a upenn study). but for races, that proof does not exist.

>Do they still have above average IQ?
we wouldn't know. there haven't been any actual studies

look iq doesn't matter. stop thinking iq matters. anyone who believes iq matters i literally shit tier /pol/. /pol/ has transcended iq. you fags have no idea. also i'm banned from /pol/ right now so i'm making this board less shitty for the time being.

>>8984454
lmaoing at your post

I can't even tell if this is bait.
Yes. IQ is a social construct. A lot of things are.

>>8987054
gr8 b8 m8
>>>/pol/

>>8986680
>>8986817
Its a link to ithkuils grammar. I had to post it like that because i dotn know how to bypass the dumbass spam protection.

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>memorization of trivial 'facts'
>intelligence
How's that right brain doing? Atrophied from years of indoctrination?
Forced to use right hand 'dominantly'? Just a coincidence.

>>8984427
derete this

>>8984427
>who would have thought, just practicing for tests can make your score higher
>people who don't understand my language are inferior
wew, this board is a constant display of high intelligence, ubermensch superiority i tell ya

>>8987042
That inforgraphic fails to mention that lucky larry had only leased the WTC 9 months prior and had paid around $15 million for this lease.

He made ~30,000% profit from the destruction of the WTC

>>8987042
>>8988028
This is now a lucky larry silverstein thread

Lucky Larry had been planning new WTC construction one year before the 9/11 attack
>http://www.mintpressnews.com/911-larry-silverstein-designed-new-wtc-7-one-year-attacks/214821/

>>8988032
>https://youtu.be/lGGHPNW-CWs?t=2m32s

lucky larry refuses to answer certain questions about 9/11

Lucky Larry tells firefighters to 'pull it and watch the towers fall'
>https://youtu.be/ZeuQqP-NLnE?t=3m29s

>>8985586
>>8985594
Yeah, no. Jews have won around 20% of Nobel Prizes. The other 80% is mostly non-Jewish White people.

government and cultural norms strangling free thought and creativity

>>8986101
fair enough

>>8986244
why is race not a topic of research?
are you not interested in it?
we are subjected to it so might aswell study it.
or do you "feel" that its "racist"?

>>8988227
I never said that race was not a topic of research.
I just said that it was part of social science, not science. >>>/his/ is a better board for social science.

The people who come to this board to post race threads usually come with their own biases, and they almost never include citations.

>>8988052
Lucky Larry is Jewish btw

>>8987066
>i always get blue balls when someone says that waiting for them to name the races

lelz - you always get blue balls trying to figure out how to use google? That must suck for you.

The races were figured out for a long time before the US nazis began to insist that race doesn't exist, which makes even less sense than the "Aryan" dogma that preceded it. The standard claim is that there is such a gradation between one race and another that you can define a specific race. So, for instance, if I placed Larry Byrd and Michael Jordan in front of you, you would have no way of guessing whose forebears came from Europe and whose from Africa. Preposterous! That's like saying there's a gradation of temperature, so freezing of water and boiling of water therefore take place at the same temperature.

Race is basically the same as species for other animals. Scarlet Macaws, military macaws and blue and gold macaws can reproduce with each other, but are considered distinct species, for instance. I think they used take the main racial types to be African, Nordic, Mediterranean, East Indian, Australian Aborigine, Asian and Mongolian/Native American. Try google one more time.

>>8988052
Nice link. Informative. Thank you anon.

Wheat growing (individualistic, creative) vs Rice growing (collectivist, conformity).

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i have undeniable proof that white people (including me) are much better than anyone else. i even dropped out of high school to prove that just being white make me smarter than all of you nigger brianlets.

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>>8984327
>If Asians have higher IQs than Europeans then why are European nations more developed and contributed much more in all the fields.

False premise. European accomplishment largely only followed an English/Beneluxian intellectual/legal framework.

Other European nations obviously adopted this before non-European ones due to geographic reality. But even here many European nations failed (Russia) while Japan succeeded.

Indeed, we see that European accomplishment is disproportionately held by NW and central Europe, to the extent that something like 35% of the population created 80% of the technology, science, and mathematical advances.

So the question should not be "Why are European nations developed", but rather "Why is the germanosphere so developed". Iberia, Slavistan, Celtlands, Finns, and HellenoBalkans were disproportionately absent from this achievement and development, and even today are notable underperformers (save Finland)

>>8984449

The decimal number system was created by Indians.

inb4 "Aryan", the north Indian ethnicities had already been well developed by this time.

>>8989149
because germany had DA JOOS, god's chosen people!

How big an IQ is doesn't bundle with your fucking skin pigmentation. There are blacks born smart, whites born stupid, and vice-versa. Anyone who thinks otherswise loses all sense of credibility. What you call your 'red-pill' is what I call an Autist Pill. Stop overdosing on Autist Pills.

>>8989193
>>>

Sure, but there are group differences. Blacks are like 14% of the US population, but way less than 14% of people with 130 IQs.

>>8989149

I think Europeans have heritable genetic traits that make the more inventive. So their IQ is a few points short of east asian IQ, but they are actually inclined to develop things.

>>8989193
That's a diversion from the left. Multiple traits can vary between species. It's harder to live in cold climates, leading to IQ improvements, and pigmentation can separately be changed due to reduced light. They aren't related, but they can change independently.

>>8984690
>Japanese grammar is quite simple.
Compared to what??

>>8984327
>Could there be another factor other than IQ
If you could sum up why /sci/ is a shitty board it would probably be in this quote

>>8984350
you can though. the amount you can increase by is probably genetic though

Why I never heard about person with 900-100 IQ? Everyone I know have 120+. Even dumb retards have 130. Is it pretty strange? Where is "80% with average IQ?" I think this is a lie. People start thinking that they are smart and "above the average scum". IQ shit is just saying what people want to hear.

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>>8984413
>WHERE IS THE MISSING RACE!!!

>>8986101
East European

Slavs (Russians, Polish, Ukrainians, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbian, etc) + Hungarians + Romanians

>>8989686
>east european is a race

>>8984341
The races in similar environments still have IQ gaps. Smarter people make smarter offspring and in this case there is a noticeable difference.

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>>8989696
yea but how large are those gaps

>>8989644 >>8984327
>Could there be another factor other than IQ
>If you could sum up why /sci/ is a shitty board it would probably be in this quote

Autism? (Our Superpower)

Money? (Jewish Superpower)

/fit/ness? (Muscle Growth + Brain Shrinking)

Emotional Intelligence? (How don't hurt Dumb People Feelings)

Charisma? (How Impress Dumb People)

Power? (How be Ruthless & Abuse Weaker People)

Beauty? (A Shell that Vanish after 40 years old.)

Goodness? (Be a Fooled Good Goy Cuck)

Slyness & Trickery? (The 2nd Jewish Superpower)

>>8989342
>It's harder to live in cold climates, leading to IQ improvements
I hear this a lot. And I slowly lose faith in humanity every time. This retarded logic needs to stop.

>>8989694
Why wouldn't it be? Because of skin color?

>>8984341
>I don't think IQ is tied to genetics.

then why are you smarter than a dog?
Could you raise a dog to solve complicated problems with the right upbringing?

No you retard, you're more intelligent because you have genes and specific alleles of genes which give your brain the ablity to understand things and have complicated thought processes.

if you think that genes don't affect IQ, and particular alleles of those genes don't affect IQ, the same way genes and their alleles affect musculature, height, skin colour , then you're a delusional , ignorant fucking retard who needs to get the fuck off /sci/ and redo highschool since you were clearly sleeping during biology.

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>>8989705
people are stupid
just look at the guy who thinks eastern european is a race
>>8989725
he has a point about scores increasing

>>8987364
yes, there have.

chinese-americans , whose mother tongue is usually english have the same mean IQ of chinese people , so this goes against the writing system hypothesis.

in addition there has also been a korean transracial adoption study where the korean children raised by white american parents had much higher mean IQ than 100

skin color genes are not related to IQ are they?

>>8989193
>How big an IQ is doesn't bundle with your fucking skin pigmentation.

yes it does.

the mean IQ of black people in america is 85. the mean IQ of white people in america is 100.

this means that rationally speaking, there is a person behind a screen and the only thing you know about him is that he is a black american, logically your expectation for his IQ should be 85.

so no, race does give you information about IQ.

>>8989734
>logically your expectation for his IQ should be 85.
maybe in 1992

>>8989734
>logically your expectation for his IQ should be 85
no because if someone uses a computer, and they're on 4chan, they're probably autistic and their IQ is way higher than 85

>>8989732
according to SCHOLAR and SCIENTIST rushton dark sin ITSELF makes you more aggressive and dumber - you have to be illiterate about genetics to believe that

>>8989737
I meant a screen as in a divider that blocks you from seeing them , not a computer screen. apologies for not being specific

>>8989732
what do you mean by related?

if you measured the IQ of every person in the world and gave them a numerical score for how much light their skin reflected, there would be positive correlation between intelligence and lightness because europeans and east asians would have higher IQs on average than blacks , indians, indonesians and arabs

>>8989745
Good thing correlation =/= causation then

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>>8989731
>chinese-americans , whose mother tongue is usually english have the same mean IQ of chinese people
same is true for all immigrant groups in the Uk as well, but somehow this doesn't 'really' count when it's brought up with indians
somehow no seleciton happened for chinese, but selection happened for indians - seems weird
same idea here >>8989699

people just don't want to be made to think

>>8989745
>blacks , indians, indonesians and arabs

>blacks
are in the 80's so yes
>indians
not really known what their real iq is, but it's closer to 100 than you think
>arabs
arabs are white, racially
pisa 2015 scores converted to iq gave saudi arabs a score of 90 so idk
i doubt that's their real minimum
>indonesians
what's a reliable source on indonesian IQ

>>8989754

>what is selection

>what is having a better IQ due to a first world environment free of parasites where half the population isn't suffering from protein malnourishment

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>I know which way the dog faces in the fourth picture
>we will win this war

>>8989765

A better way to measure IQ would be brachycephaly.

Brachy populations within Eurasia have higher IQs.

It's one of the main reasons wild celtic niggers are so fucking stupid despite having first world living conditions for centuries.

Meanwhile, Germans and Japs build up 5 star societies from literally nothing.

The thing is that nobody will recognize this because it goes against both PC and white nationalist sensibilities.

Incas were superior to europeans.

>>8989811
yeah the only reason they lost the wars was because they weren't violent

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>>8989753
he said related, not caused. Don't say irrelevent things and act as though they're relevent to the argument in order to change the goalposts.

>>8989754
>% of gcse scores

GCSE results can't be reduced to a summary statistic of a single number without throwing out a tonne of the information.
I believe the summary statistic this image is using is % of students who achieved at least 5 GCSE's above grade C.
This of course removes ALL the weight from people who get above this threshold, so that a student who gets 10A*s at GCSE is worth exactly the same as a student who gets 5Cs at GCSE

it's a very poor indicator of IQ , and there is actual data for IQ available in the uk
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/glassessment.pdf

Europe has a long standing tradition of monogamy and romantic love, which means that men compete to impress women. This requires both athleticism and social intelligence, instead of just athleticism.

Meanwhile, the Chinese and Japanese are so utterly inured to arranged marriages that they have actually forgotten how to have sex in a sexual free market.

Muslims and Indians are social retards because their marriages are arranged, and because they lack the scholarly, civilised culture that at least got China, Korea and Japan to rise from the mud. Indian is more civilised than the middle east, but barely, and mostly because their social retards with their arranged marriages needed to cooperate in rice farming or die.

The middle east, meanwhile, required no social intelligence or charm to win women, and also required no cooperative smiley niceguyness to keep their agriculture going.

So the results are as follows:
Whites support a sexual free market ("individualism") because they are good at having sex under those conditions.

The Japanese, having been conquered, adopt white sexual practices and fail horribly at them, leading to an epidemic of virginity.

Muslims are not cooperative enough to get along with the new order of things like the Japanese, and resist violently, sperging out explosively.

India and China remain more traditional/socially retarded and unromantic than Japan or the West, and less violent than the muslims.

Genetically, Europe has been reaping the fruits of positive sexual selection for three thousand years. Not only do clever, literate men do well, but also charming and athletic men.

Essentially, Chinese civilization selects for spergs who need their father to buy them a wife, White civilization selects for well-rounded individuals, Arab civilization selects for gangsters and rapists, and Africa only selects for violence, not organised violence.

>>8989765
the mean IQ of india is in the 80s too.

when talking about race, white is an informal term meaning native to europe.

no idea what you're trying to say when you say they're thesame race as europeans.

the mean IQ in arabcountries like iraq, syria, jordan, egypt, etc. is in the 90s . these people will primarily havedarker skin than europeans or east asians so will help support the correlation, as I claimed

I'm making an educated guess that since indonesia is a poor-ish country without an especally developed education system their mean IQ will be around 90.

>>8989836
>losing wars
Confirmed brainlet.

Incas WERE superior to europeans. Deal with it.

>>8989846
>Not only do clever, literate men do well
yeah cucking isn't doing well.
Virginity is rising hard in the west now

>>8989872
And who on earth is better suited to tinder culture than white men?

Only sub-saharans are relaxed and socially competent enough to compete, but we still live in a capitalist technocracy, and they can't all earn their bread by rapping. They run into a brick wall once they hit 35, anyway, it's like some kind of menopause, but for black hepcats. Meanwhile Mr Straight-tooth Whiteman is still doing fine.

Feminism/tinder culture is the West turning up the heat. I don't like it. But when I realise that other races like it even less, I begin to warm to it, purely as a barrier to entry and not as an actual way of thinking.

Get enough income to live in a secure neighbourhood, and being white has never been sweeter. We get the moral high ground, all while remaking the world so that every other race is trapped in celibacy and betrayed by their own women.

>>8989840
Good thing correlation =/= relation then

>>8989913
correlation is an example of a relation.

just admit you got it wrong.

>>8989726
sure, the iq gap between blacks and whites in america is smaller than it used to be, but it's been stagnant for decades now

>>8989849
>the mean IQ of india is in the 80s too.
highly doubtful
>>8989940
data goes back to 2012
there's a lot of ground to be made and it should converge to a difference of 5-10 points.

>>8984760
>only dumb people went to war

That's pretty much it.

You need to be an volatile idiot to go with your free will to the battlefields.

Militaries consists of these primitive morans

At the war time if you get commanded out there then probability is that you don't have much of academic degree or IQ on that matter.

>>8990016
Yes

Military Morons go to Battle fields.
Scientists & High Rank Officials stay safe, away from Battle Fields.

For Example on WW2.

While US troops were dying in Europe & Pacific. Scientists like Einstein, Fermi & Oppenheimer stayed Comfy in USA developing the Nukes.

While Dumber Jews were killed by Nazis in Europe. The Smarter Jews escaped/fled to USA.

In Nazi Side, the Nazi Scientists were captured alive & kidnapped by USA & Soviet Union to work for them. While the Average Nazi Soldier was killed.

>>8989846

>society is like this now so it was clearly this way for the last 3000 years

lel

Is justifying racism really a /sci/ topic?

>>8984327
Perfect example of drawing irrational conclusions from empirical evidence .
You're an idiot

>>8990293
You're new here aren't you?... /pol/ raids this place non-stop

>>8984463
Multi-quoting should be forbidden.

>>8989726
Why does it say that blacks have 91 IQ right now?
I thought blacks had 86 IQ

If there was proof that IQ of blacks is increasing while white IQ is stagnant, then /pol/ will eternally be BTFO

Does this mean I'm dumber than white people then?

>>8989705
>I hear this a lot. And I slowly lose faith in humanity every time. This retarded logic needs to stop.

It's important that you try to think once in a while, rather than just jump immediately to hate and fascism.

The link below details a study in the mid 90s into the intelligence differences between howler and spider monkeys. They're separated by only around 10,000 generations, but show an IQ differences of more than a factor of 10. The difference is that spider monkeys forage for fruit and have to search constantly for new food sources, needing to cooperate with others in their search, while howler monkeys eat leaves, which are always available. That's very comparable to the environment differences between European and African human populations, with a similar effect. I originally read the article in Scientific American, but this Discovery article mentions a lot of the key points.

Think of how much less idiotic you would have appeared if you had read something before posting.


"Gut Thinking"
"What makes fruit-eating spider monkeys so much smarter than leaf-eating howlers? Their gourmet diet, apparently--it's gone to their heads."

http://discovermagazine.com/1995/may/gutthinking503

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>asks poorly researched question (one that has been superfluously asked)

>"well anon..."

>answer does not align with said le 'eugenics' insinuation already in the question

>reply with a rebuttal which was subconsciously already prepared

>"actually the answer is simple. *gloss over variable like education, culture, historical advantage, so forth...*

>"master race am i rite?"

This is 9th dimension chess bait, or I am in the wrong. Till the scientific communities of the world say other wise, I'll consider O.P. a candy-ass roody-poo, in all due respect of course.

>>8984341
>I don't think IQ is tied to genetics.
It indisputably is tied to genetics.

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>>8989963
>>the mean IQ of india is in the 80s too.
>highly doubtful

How so?! India has the most caustic culture on the entire planet, even surpassing China. People are born into a caste and nothing they do changes that. If you're born to the "untouchable" caste, you can't hold a job, own anything, speak to anyone who isn't untouchable, or live in a permanent residence. Nothing you ever do will change that. If a higher caste person marries a lower caste person, they kill the woman, whether she was the higher or lower caste, out of honor. Fewer than half of Indians use a toilet, choosing to poop on the street even when they have enough money to afford plumbing, and they have one of the most polluted countries on the planet. 80s seems high to me.

Pic related - boy running on an Indian "beach"

>>8984463
Sounds right to me, my father is a science and politics sided logic, while my mother is more towards math. Not much logic in her though, as I also got most of my father's mental-genetic quirks. I have barely met the guy, yet I apparently sit, walk, talk, and carry a backpack on one shoulder like he does. May have been from minor events imprinted into my subconscious, or some genetic memory. I know little to nothing of how genetics work in this aspect, but I'm very curious on the subject.

>>8991021
the farther you get from the cities the more of that kind of shit you see
and that pic is tragic but more the result of economic disparity than culture

>>8989840
>I believe the summary statistic this image is using is % of students who achieved at least 5 GCSE's above grade C.
aight
GCSE is just as psychometric as the SAT btw
>Some measures of educational aptitude correlate highly with IQ tests – for instance, Frey and Detterman (2004) reported a correlation of 0.82 between g (general intelligence factor) and SAT scores;[97] another research found a correlation of 0.81 between g and GCSE scores, with the explained variance ranging "from 58.6% in Mathematics and 48% in English to 18.1% in Art and Design".[98]

>>8991021
>80s seems high to me.
>Pic related - boy running on an Indian "beach"
wow
Your methods are about as rigurous as richard lynn's.

So I accept that. Indian IQ - 79

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>>8991021
>Beach

>>8984748
>Black IQ in the US averages 110. I thought I proved that in the last 6 times you tried this
thread.

Yes you are right. That is why there are so many black Nobel prizes in science and Fields medalists (math).

And why blacks are under-represented in areas associated with low IQ, such as crime, welfare dependency and single parenthood.

>>8991418
India is very diverse.

The upper castes are smart but the backward tribes are aborigine tier. The rest are in between. Unfortunately the stupid outnumber the smart.

>>8991000
Damn you scienced the shit out of that simple comparison-based conclusion.

1) The two monkey species have vastly different diets, unlike human populations, besides maybe Eskimos. The article argued that the more calorie-dense diet is what allowed for brain development. It's quite known that the human diet became less calorie-dense whenever they needed a heavier reliance on agriculture.
2) Humans hunted and foraged in groups always. All populations developed domestication and agriculture as well. That is not something unique to white humans.
3) >show an IQ differences of more than a factor of 10
That article does not mention IQ even once.

>>8990293
empirical, scientific evidence about populations with different allele distributions is science even if it hurts your sensitive snowflake feelings

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>>8984341
Is your opinion based of facts or feels?

Is the Wikipedia article on IQ good?

I know this thread is shit, so I thought I'd find a proper source instead.

>>8991585
the last one is mostly false though especially when you compare to strength
>>8991593
no, but it has interesting sources you can follow

The simple fact that niggers have IQs in the 60s makes its logical to ban them from every human civilization because they are basically wild animals in human bodies mentally speaking.

It doesnt matter how many smart blacks you find the average and majority of niggers are mentally impaired deranged savages unfit for any society at all. They need to be removed immediately.

>>8991675
white americans had 67 IQ on average around world war 1.
Why weren't they removed?

>>8991675

they are also on average more violent and impulsive. i have no problem with blacks, but it's frustrating how much the media panders to them and the effect this has on popular culture. it's not a good example to follow.

>>8991690
Thats a lie the average white idiot has an IQ in the high 80s.

A white person with an IQ in the 60s is harmless since thats when a white person will be a drooling tard.

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>>8991714
in the past whites had an IQ of 80 and blacks had an IQ at 60.
These days whites are at 100 and blacks are at 80.
IQ is improving

>>8991732
>blacks are at 80
No American blacks are in the low 80s BECAUSE OF THEIR EUROPEAN DNA.

Barely mixed niggers(the average black in the Caribbean is 98% african) in the West Indies are in the low 70s while pure african blacks are still in the high 60s. IQ is not improving for niggers at all.

>>8991829
obamas wife is blacker than him but she's also smarter.
Explain that

>>8991829
>12% white DNA raises IQ by 20 points from 60 to 80
so another 12 percentage should raise it to 100?

>>8991882
he's a retard who hasn't thought it through at all - it's not likely to have a huge black american black african gap with so little white admixture (assuming the admixture was representative white)
black africans are in the 80's so are american blacks though higher 80's
currently anyway
i'd say black american peak is 90, sub saharan black is 85 or sth

and i'm pretty sure i'm right

>>8991925
>and i'm pretty sure i'm right
Guess that's why you're not a scientist.

>>8991872
Obama is way more intelligent than Michelle.
>>8991882
Nope the only mixed breeds that have white level intelligent are heavily diluted octoroons.

>>8991949
obama is also more intelligent than trump
and michelle is more intelligent than melania who flunked out of a liberal arts degree the very first semester

gets the noggin joggin

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>>8991925
>black africans are in the 80's
No african negros ARE IN THE 60S

THE 60S

Only the American black is in the 80s.

>>8991956
What part of doesnt matter how many smart blacks you find cant you understand?

>>8991966
>posts long debunked lynn data
>>8991970
it matters when it's the president
this is about intelligence, not race right

>>8991829

>If I spout enough nonsense in serious manner surely people will believe me

Then why do I see West African countries with IQ's in the 80's?

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country#

Should I trust some random nobody on the fucking internet without a source or should I trust a site that actually provides sources?

>>8991693

>but it's frustrating how much the media panders to them and the effect this has on popular culture. it's not a good example to follow.

Have you ever heard the statement, canary in a coal mine?

Because that's what blacks have become. Both the drugs and police brutality hit them first yet everyone ignored it, now that it's hitting Whites hard it's suddenly an epidemic that people are wondering how it came to past in the first place.

The fact is you had people trying to warn others about how drug use was spreading and how police state were slowly encroaching on civil rights. The media barely covered it and acknowledged it, but now that data for statistics have been collected concerning drug related deaths and video evidence is being shown with cops getting off free in court despite this. The media has come to the realization that this actually a fucking problem and covering it.

Now I Imagine the average person on this board doesn't care but this drug problem for example. But this is part of the reason why the Republicans are having a hard time with this healthcare program because they know it's gotten too bad to ignore at this point.

>>8991977
Its not debunked because africans still score in the low 60s.

No its about race.
>>8991981
Those estimates are off since African countries score in the 60s, probably inflated by liberal professors to promote their agenda.
>Because that's what blacks have become. Both the drugs and police brutality hit them first yet everyone ignored it, now that it's hitting Whites hard it's suddenly an epidemic that people are wondering how it came to past in the first place.

Shut the fuck up.

>>8991966
you have to pretty fucking dull to think 10-20% white dna can raise a group from 60 iq to 85
and keep in mind those were slaves - not necessarily representative of the population of west africa

you are absurdly stupid
>>8991985
aah you are trolling

ok, you got me

>>8991986
Black Americans came from feral tribes in West Africa you have to be unbelievably dumb to think they were a negro genetic anomaly towards intellect.

>trolling
Fuck off already.

You seem to keep ignoring that American blacks are much smarter than African ones.

>>8991996
What about those Nigerian Jews (Igbos)? They're pure African and test high IQ.

>>8992016
No they like all african negros are stupid on average. Taking niggers on a country scale puts their IQs in the high 50s that how braindead they are when split up from a racial collective.

The niggers in America probably have IQs in the high 70 if we took them by state only collectively do they get 84,

>>8992023
It's probably in the 40s in all actuality. When you consider the historical musk of the white race drifting over Africa, they're probably actually in the 30s.

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>>8992025
nah it's probably in the low 0s

>>8992025
40s is lower than chimps thats just absurd.

>>8992016
myth
they just have a different culture
they aren't at all different from yorubas until somebody proves they are
yorubas can probably fare comparably and this isn't incompatible with an IQ in the 80's

just do the research and look for papers and not for blogs and you'll see how things are

>>8992032
What exactly is a myth? And they you go on to explain how culture influences the results?

>>8991985

>Those estimates are off since African countries score in the 60s, probably inflated by liberal professors to promote their agenda.

Post sources that show they're inflated, and no cropped out pics don't count.

>Shut the fuck up

Compelling argument Anon

>>8992053
>culture
How the fuck can Jews do better than whites on IQ test if the IQ test is based on white culture?

Niggers are stupid end of discussion. If you need proof go visit Africa and observe the humans there for a month and draw you conclusions. While observing them show them no empathy as this gets in the way of rational judgement.

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>>8992076
Which city? Nairobi seems nice.

>>8992089
>seems nice
Nairobi has Detroit tier crime.

>>8992101
source?

even without taking the demographics(kenyans are younger) into account it most likely has lower crime than detroit at least for some crimes (murder for example)

do the research and you'll be surprised

>>8984341
You had stupid parents didnt you anon? Its ok, not everyone can be geniuses. Im sure you make an excellent burger flipper.

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>>8992089
wow look at that.
I thought Africa was full of 20 IQ niggers

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>>8992089
This is also a picture of Nairobi - without all the shoop. Much of that water they're crossing is human waste.

>>8986389
IQ is heavily genetic but that's fucking retarded.

That's about what your brain gets wired for early on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqxndL7IddQ5k

>>8993069
victorian london wasn't much better

>>8984389
> The simple fact Asians have the most written grammatically complex languages on
> earth shows the difference in base intelligence between them and us whiteys.

It would seem that most would disagree with you:

Why is the Chinese language so complex?
(Shaun Liu, novice linguist, native Chinese speaker of Guoyu (Taiwan's Mandarin))

Answered Jun 16, 2014

[...]

The degree in which a language feels complex is often relative to what language you are already familiar with.
Aspects that make Mandarin Chinese simple for an English speaker:

o word structure order is essentially the same as English (Subject-Verb-Object)
o there are no conjugations
o plurals are same as singulars
o no tense
o simple number system (ex. twelve = "ten two" , twenty = "two ten")
o technically, there are significantly fewer words in Chinese than English to know (for university,
one uses 3,000 commonly Chinese characters while the English-speaking counterpart usually
needs to know over 20,000 base words).

source: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Chinese-language-so-complex


Shaun Liu says that the use of inflection is difficult for English and European language speakers to
pick up, but that's not enough to label it one of the "most grammatically complex languages on earth",
not even close.

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Hey guys. Why not genetically modify everyone?

Problem solved. If we all work together we can stop whatever luddite hippies don't like that idea and support good wholesome corporations like Monsanto that are advancing this technology. That way we will make the world a better place.

>>8993249
animals == hard to GM
plants == easy (-ier) to GM

>>8993238
> victorian london wasn't much better

Well, those are lean-to, shanty homes. Perhaps Georgian London would be a better comparison - before Pasteur's work. Microbes weren't even known about then, and apparently still aren't in modern Nairobi.

>>8993249

Nature has it's own way, like letting the lesser individuals die off from poor disease avoidance, but hippies keep insisting on paying for cures for Ebola and AIDS anyway. Why modify humanity when leaving mother nature to her work is so much better? Just stop destroying humanity with "humanitarian aid".

>>8993267
this is a fallacy (more evolved == better)
evolution doesn't do anything special or esoteric, it just adapts a species to it's current environment
the thing is, environments are constantly changing
your approach is only reasonable if the environment all humans live in was static (we'd get better and better at living in it)

>>8993272
> this is a fallacy (more evolved == better)
> [...]

I'm not sure what word your thoughts ricocheted off of there, but the post was
a response to someone wanting to genetically modify humans. No where was
"more evolved = better" mentioned. Generally, those populations that must
overcome an environment change come out with what would be referred to
as improvements, however, be it speed, height, intellect, etc.

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Don't worry guys, IQ isn't determined by genetics. My dog just invented a warp drive.

>>8993329
>Generally, those populations that must overcome an environment change come out with what would be referred to as improvements, however, be it speed, height, intellect, etc.
That's not true though. "Improvements" is extremely subjective, and can work in the opposite direction of what you're thinking. Evolution makes velociraptors become chickens.

>>8993267
>but hippies keep insisting on paying for cures for Ebola and AIDS anyway
there is no cure for those

are you saying we need to stop trying to find a cure for those just because one day it may be used to save people you don't like?

that's just anti-science
>>8993414
even a relatively mild lack of iodine can reduce iq by 10-15 points
it's just how it is - i guess there might be something wrong with your brilliant dog analogy

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>>8993249
>primarily using genetic modification and not applied ecology

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>>8984327
Asians cheat on IQ tests, they only test the good performers and don't test the retards like we do, it leads to skewed results.

>>8994100
white people cheat when doing IQ surveys

>>8990293
Science is not about your feelings you fag.

>>8994035
what's wrong with that? don't give me that naturalist fallacy, you're using a computer to post on the internet (you can't get any more unnatural yourself)

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>>8991595
The graph obviously is implying wrong difference but there is difference.

>>8989731
>chinese-americans , whose mother tongue is usually english have the same mean IQ of chinese people
citation?

>>8984327
It's already been established that the results such as your OP pic are fraudulently produced by scientists with agendas

Your conclusions are based on questionable data and as we say "garbage in, garbage out"

This thread only lived to the bump limit because this guy >>8986269 did not drop the hammer on it for once, must have been busy.