Dixiefag here. How do we make the South less retarded? The few

>>8775262
Get rid of radical Christianity

>>8775262
stop telling them that the south has a unique cultural heritage to preserve

cousinfucking, racism, and generally making the country poorer and stupider is not a cultural heritage

t. north carolinian.

>>8775265
Yes, but how? It's integral to the culture here. The first thing people will ask you is what church you go to. How did New England stop being a bunch of Puritan fuckers? I haven't seen any research on that.

>>8775281
>The first thing people will ask you is what church you go to. How did New England stop being a bunch of Puritan fuckers? I haven't seen any research on that.
We didn't, we replaced puritanism with Social Justice (tm) and Anti-Racism (tm). God just disappeared because the average person got richer. The South has been the way it has since before America was even a country, so I'm not really sure what you can do.

>>8775281
The South was wrecked economically after the civil war and I don't think they've recovered.

But they slowly have been recovering, there are a lot of people moving to Texas for jobs.

I think as the economy improves so will education.

>>8775296
Actually, back in the olden times before America happened, Damnyankees viewed the South as a cesspool of vice for not being Puritan. Eventually something happened to make them switch places.

>>8775303
I'm from a town just south of Atlanta, which is more rich than most of the South, but I'm still encountering this. I think that economics has been taking a backseat to culture, just like in places like Qatar. The post-Civil War poverty has ingrained itself in our culture.

>>8775262
Religious belief doesnt conflict with my scientific knowledge and skills, it seems that you think a science education demands atheism, why?
>>8775265
And abandon the foundation of the western world? Because reasons?
>>8775271
>not unique
It does though. Perhaps you wish it were more like your native homeland, but you are kind of admitting as much by expressing your unjustifiable hatred.
>>8775281
Middle schooler?

>>8775332
> Religious belief doesnt conflict with my scientific knowledge and skills, it seems that you think a science education demands atheism, why?
Less atheism, more just religious moderation. We're V E R Y religious here, and that breeds ignorance. Just watch anything by Kent Hovind or his son and you'll see what I mean.

>>8775320
>Peachtree City
>more golf cart roads tan car roads
>>8775303
>The education will improve
The public schools are fine enough, certainly as good as any others in the nation - provided we are talking about a majority white school. Even nyc inner city schools fail compared to deep south schools.

>>8775346
>poor white schools don't exist

>>8775320
If you read liberal news outlets you will notice a lot of writers who grew up in New England or the West Coast (which has a lot of New England cultural heritage) ragging on Southerners for being racist, stupid, anti-intellectual, hypocritical, religious fanatics, etc. It has not really changed that much, instead of failing to live up to Puritan virtues they fail to live up to Anti-Racist virtues. Of course Boston can be just as racist as anywhere else, but we all need lies to tell ourselves.

>>8775332
Reasonable Christianity: God gives humans mental faculties to help them understand God's creation.
Radical Christianity: Evolution is a Satanic lie. God frustrates the mind of worldly intellectuals, and places misleading evidence to test our faith.

>>8775339
Thats not an argument. I've both fundie Protestant beliefs and an advanced STEM education. The southerners just arent cucked and dont hold your marxist beliefs.

>>8775262
>How do we make the South less retarded?
Start by leaving.

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ITT bluepilled normies

you need to lurk /pol/. yeah you think it's retarded, but you're the ones who are retarded.

>>8775348
Sounds like you hate all Christians, i'm sure alienating yourself and submitting to a depressing and destructive worldview will get you far in life.
>>8775347
They dont. Rural county schools that are 80% white are some of the best in the nation.

>>8775362
No kidding. Its like they are new from reddit. Southerners are based af.

>>8775346
I'm from Tyrone, desu. Even if I wasn't, that's not an argument.

>>8775362
I'm a /pol/ack, but evolution isn't a hoax and the gays aren't trying to subvert American freedom.

>>8775387
Yeah i wasnt making an argument just throwing a (You) your way.

>>8775262
America becoming a haven for scientific thought was an accidental side-effect of WW2, soon to be corrected. You can't fix it, just migrate.

>>8775390
>im an atheist Sodomite
>im conservative
WUT

>>8775401
> I don't want the government stealing money to convert into gimmedats
> I don't want my culture destroyed by millions of immigrants from savage nations
> I don't believe in an ethereal sky daddy

Explain how any of these are conflicting.

>>8775374
>Sounds like you hate all Christians, i'm sure alienating yourself and submitting to a depressing and destructive worldview will get you far in life.

No, I just think the "Evolution is a Satanic lie" brand of Christianity is wrong and harmful.

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>>8775362
>the part of the country home to the least educated, and most poor, obese, and miserable people in the nation, who are stereotypically hyperreligious, ignorant inbreds is the best part of the country
>everyone is retarded but me

>>8775362
ive been on /pol/. its full of newfags teenagers like you

>>8775433
Inbreeding is a meme. Otherwise, spot on.

>>8775362
t. northerner

>>8775433
Youre being racist againt niggers without even realizing it! Where do you think the education, poverty, and obesity numbers come from? Where do 95% of niggers live?

>>8775362
>everyone is retarded but me

dunning kruger taking effect here

>>8775509
> the group which has historically been enslaved, which lives almost exclusively in ethnic enclaves, and whose food is unhealthy as fuck is dumb, poor, and fat
Who'd've guessed? Also, Southern Whites are generally poorer than northerners as well, because Reconstruction was retarded.

I know you're shitposting, but still.

>>8775516
Wait, are you agreeing with me(thus being racist)? But bringing up 200yo history out of context to ease your white guilt?
wew.
>white southerners poorer
Without toting out stats, i'll agree more more earning, but i contend purchasing power locally is greater in south as everything is fractionally cheaper.

>>8775619
Literally nobody doesn't agree that black people are poorer on average than white people.

>>8775262

The South isn't any different from the rest of the country. Redlands, CA is equally the shithole as Mobile, AL.

Anyway, if you want to build a better south:

1. VADOT, NCDOT, SCDOT, GADOT and TNDOT are all moving on rail projects that would more or less build a Southeastern high(er) speed rail corridor. This means cosmopolitan areas can build up and gentrify. Gringrich himself wants to turn Atlanta into a southern Amtrak hub, which so far has been unsuccessful.
2. Do what SC does and build nuclear power plants.
3. Destroy NOLA. All of it.

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>>8775332
>foundation of the western world

>>8775777
Ahh so you are ignorant historically too?

I prefer not to think about it.

>>8775801
*tips fedora*

>>8775332
>Religious belief doesnt conflict with my scientific knowledge and skills
Yes. It does. Look at the situation with evolution.

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>>8775262
But we need dummy Rednecks from the South to be Bullet Sponges in the military. I live in San Diego and we are infested with Inbred military losers from the middle/southern states.

pic: Jason King typical stupid Redneck Marine. He is why we cheer when one of them is killed in the Middle East.

>>8775262
I believe Hegel got it right. Identify what the world is around you and do you. Things cycle in a limited ethos. Human fashions repeat in different ages

>>8775332
>And abandon the foundation of the western world? Because reasons?
He said radical Christianity. No reason we can't keep Christianity and just get rid of the anti-evolution part. Look at the Russian Orthodox Church. There is no requirement to believe in young earth creationism. Seriously, American Protestantism is a joke.

>>8775905
What drives one to care about another's personal belief system?

>>8775262

anyone who unironically uses the term "science denier", is a science denier

>>8775905
When it actively strives to convert as many people as possible to said worldview, while promoting things like young-earth creationism and Ayn Rand-tier political philosophy.

So like radical Islam except instead of theoretically being containable in the Middle East (if Western countries gave a shit), it is backed by American billionaires with tons of power.

>>8775923
meant to reply to >>8775917

>>8775917
I'm Catholic, so I should care about others' interpretation of Christianity, since it's poisoning our national discourse. We should be worrying over serious theological questions of the nature of good, not pointless quibbles. Furthermore, I have several cousins in Peru who were tricked into converting to the American Baptist tradition. They're doctors and scientists, and they should not spread such falsehoods. American Protestantism can do better, and should, because they affect this country and others. Also, one of my cousin's died because her family is Jehovah's Witnesses and she declined a blood transfusion. That's why I care. These American protestants focus on the wrong issues, the pointless issues. Aren't those good reasons? Do you just not care about the direction of society? Seems irresponsible to not do anything.

>>8775881
It literally doesnt bother me nor conflict. The extreme interpretations from both sides have little evidence to back their claims. Not to mention if a complete fossil record was discovered it wouldnt disprove a God in general or my own specific fundie dogma. But as it stands the current fossil records dont imply what you think they imply.

>>8775932
Im so happy to hear this good news of your cousins finally finding their calling in Christ. My science education has brought me so much closure to God to so i know their joy and peace.
When your calling comes Christ will show you the path as well and lead you to salvation away from this atheist cult you call Catholicism.

>>8775262
Burn it to the ground, repopulate it with new people. I suggest the native Americans

>>8775952
>>8775941
6/10 troll. You had me going for a while.

>>8775262
Remove the (((diversity)))

>>8775957
Im rather sure ive had more of a science education than you, and probably more Bible school too (maybe) - problem?

>>8775956
yeah, then everyone will be a drunk retard, faggot

>>8775969
How much science education have you had? I have a Bachelor's from Cornell.

>>8775983
nice. I as well. I suppose catholics dont have Bible school since theyre atheists like you. Apostates can surprise me occasionally though.

>>8775932
you just seem so angry

>>8775998
You went to Cornell?

>>8776003
You're the one who is constantly slinging insults. Seems like you're projecting.

>>8775888
you're a real fuckin dick

>>8776007
Not cornell, a b.s. in stem at a reputable institution, Not that i nessarily believe you did. But its w/e. Care to explain to me why i should abandon my faith in God cuz reasons.

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>>8775888
>mfw he comes back with PTSD and kills you because your faggy shemagh makes him think you're a raghead

>>8776016
You don't need to .believe that I went to Cornell, the satisfaction I have is enough for me.

>'cuz reasons

It's not simply 'cuz reasons. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. Furthermore, the acceptance of evolution does not require you to abandon faith in God. If your faith in God is contingent on a literal interpretation of a a small part of Genesis then it probably isn't a very strong faith anyways, built on sand instead of rock. Doesn't it strike you as a bit implausible that the interpretation of scripture of a few small denominations in the Southern united states is the only one that leads to salvation, when the majority of ancient churches (not just Catholicism, but the Eastern Orthodox churches and other Eastern churches as well) do not emphasize literal interpretation of Genesis as a requirement of salvation. This seems to be a weird trend in American Protestantism. I mentioned the Jehovah's witnesses earlier: they think that if you don't call God Jehovah and think that God died on a stake instead of a cross, then you don't get to go to heaven. Seems like they are obsessed with small trivial details instead of the important part: love of God, acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice, and following his message of humility, charity, and forgiveness. That's what it's all about, not fighting over small passages in the Old Testament.

Anyways, I gotta bounce. My master's thesis is not going to write itself. Peace.

>>8776026
We don't

>>8775801
Have you read your Plato's Republic today?

>>8776016
>b.s. in stem at a reputable institution
where

>>8776026
>atheist catholics actually believe this

>>8776032
>ignores 2,000 years of Western Christendom
So you are just willfully ignorant cuz politics

>>8776016
>Care to explain to me why i should abandon my faith in God cuz reasons.
You should abandon any hope of doing anything but the most menial grunt work, as you have the reading comprehension of the average southerner

>>8776055
Pot calling the kettle black much?

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>tfw Chicagolander living in Yeehawland
get me out of this hell place
I don't want to live in a state where you can legally open-carry a firearm into mental institutions, but you can't buy a bottle of rum on a Sunday

>>8775346
knew a girl from Peachtree City in undergrad
she talked with pretty much no accent and then one night got loaded and told a bunch of us (in a thick Georgia drawl) that she disguised her native accent because she didn't want us to think she was ignorant.
she's prettycool.bmp though. smart person, generally nice to be around.

>>8775374
What do you mean by Rural?

Then who will join the military? Better for them to stay the way they are.

>>8776078
faggots like you is why chicago is such shit. hopefully they off you down there.

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>>8776107
t. angry redneck
enjoy your Obamacare :^)

>>8776087
Rural.

>>8775355
Now you know the area plenty of southerners that are cucked too, but I might just live too close to Charlotte

>>8776078
See, that's a problem. She's obviously intelligent, but Southerners are stereotyped as ignorant hicks (with good reason) and had to hide who she was to be taken seriously. Aren't yankees supposed to be all about "muh acceptance"?

>>8777677
It is alway shocking to see how many normies believe and promote this stale civil war era NYC jew propaganda. Travel to any farm area or small town in the 'north' and you see the same people you are blindly hating. I realize youre likely just a gook/pooNloo, but its not uncommon for a white person to actually think this and actively hurt their own race. Sad!

>>8777677
liberals have no mercy when it comes to redneck / southern stereotypes.

>>8775262
Remove the Southern accent, IQ raises 20%.
Remove minorities, Bell Curve is no longer needed.

>>8775281
>How did New England stop being a bunch of Puritan fuckers
1692

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>>8777677
yeah. none of us thought less of her after we found out her terrible secret, but if she'd talked that way from the beginning I think we might have gotten a different first impression of her.
tbqh it bothers me how a lot of my fellow libruls think that the only stereotypes that matter are the ones about ethnic minorities, and that it's perfectly fine to mock "those ignorant backwards hillbillies". a lot of people on the left are just as prejudiced and hypocritical as those on the right, and I'm worried that they're going to get control of The Movement (the way their rightist asshole counterparts did).

>>8776078
https://youtu.be/sadjTA5IKCA

>>8778488
That's what they get for renege on 40 acres and a mule

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>>8775262
>hyper-[protestant] nutjobs who deny a lot of science for literally no reason

Do what the early Methodists did, introduce them to the writings of the early Church Fathers. Then show them how science denial is a modernism that has no basis in original christian teachings.

>>8775303
>there are a lot of people moving to Texas for jobs.
Yeah. Gtfo of Texas pls if you're one of them reading this.

Remove the niggers. Not only would test scores go up immediately, but there would also be more money to spend on education.

>>8776487
Like how rural

>>8778354
>farm area or small town in the 'north'
>Implying northerners don't dislike those people as well.

>>8778632
The presence of minorities hasn't hampered white people in hevaily black states like NY, Maryland, VA, CA, or DC (lol). This is just a cope

I live in Houston, TX and went to school in Dallas. Here at least, we aren't ass backwards regarding science. We have some amazing and relatively cheap universities that help to lead the way in scientific progression. In Houston specifically, we have one of the most advanced and cutting-edge medical districts. Not all of the south is retarded rednecks.

Their pretty girls flee the shit hole south for big cities. Here are two Alabama sisters who now live in LA; both want to be actresses. They have even managed to control their Hick accents.

https://www.instagram.com/baskinchamp/
https://www.instagram.com/abbychampion/

Even though he is gay The Terminator's son is fucking Abby. He is a pure bottom in his gay life, and likes to give Abby anal.

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To be fair to the Rednecks: These girls are both white Puerto Rican girls who loved fucking the local Rednecks when they lived in Mississippi. They preferred Bubba cock over the typical dark PR guy's cock. The one one the right is Mariana Vicente. Mariana balled quite a few of the typical Inbred looking Southern types, so you can be successful even if you look and sound dumb.


https://www.instagram.com/marianavicente/

>>8778816
>>8778869
>>>/b/
we're not going to help you get your dick succ

>>8775262
The South isn't retarded, they just have different social, political, etc values.

Maybe if tolerant, accepting, liberals stop painting everyone who doesn't live in a coastal city of >250K like they're part of some kind of fucking untouchable underclass there will be less of a cultural divide.

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>>8775281
>Yes, but how

Convert them to orthodoxy.

>>8775332
>science education demands atheism, why?

Both sides of the issue, whom have actually made an effort to resolve the differences, have found them incompatible.

https://youtu.be/mLeztJkhi4U?t=30s

>>8779172
>Young earth creationists and "New Atheism" proponents represent "both sides" of the false religion/science dichotomy
Don't be absurd. Just because the more extreme thinkers on either side think science and religion are incompatible, doesn't mean that all scientists and all religious people think they're incompatible.

The South isn't retarded because of culture or values, it's retarded because no one smart stays in the south.

>>8775262
Get rid of the niggers.

>>8779206
If the Southerners were stupid enough to bring them in, they deserve to deal with them.

>"b-but we din know they'd be free!"

That's why you're poor, you have no vision.

>>8779172
>unironically linking to Dawkins

You have to be over the age of 18 to be here.

science > history
people are stupid, science isn't

>>8779216
My children are 30.

>>8779234
>middle-aged man thinks like a child

LMAOing @ ur life.

>>8775332
>foundation of the western world
ircc things didn't start picking up until the church started backing off, "the enlightenment era"

>>8779189
You can have two roles - it's called cognitive dissonance. Works fine, emotionally.
Still doesn't mean religion and science are compatible.

>>8779237
Your ad hominems, against me and Dawkings,
are lame.
Have nothing real to argue with, do you.

>>8779240
That depends largely on what you define as 'science' and which religion you're talking about. Science is a method for examining data about the natural world. Most scientists don't use it in every aspect of their life, because there are other heuristics for making decisions and figuring things out in the varied situations we are faced with every day. If you are -to pick a random example- a practicing Stoic and believe that man's purpose is to be good, that doesn't mean your philosophy is incompatible with science because it's not possible to verify that the purpose of life is to be good using the scientific method, it just means that that particular philosophical question doesn't fall within the purview of science.

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>>8779172
>citing a biologist in a discussion on science

kek

>>8779257
You know, I'll take Wise's opinion over yours any day.

>>8779261
Geologist actually. Beats a shitposter any day.

>>8779273
No argument, I see.

>>8779280
The argument is the video.
If Wise says they are incompatible, then it is.

>>8779294
Is Wise the King of Philosophy? Why don't you try rebutting my argument in your own words instead of deferring to him like a sheep.

>>8779294
This line of reasoning only works with Terence Tao.

>>8779305
You do realize that the issue here is not which side is right.
It's a lot less ambitious task to say if two explanations are compatible or not.

>>8779312
Nothing I said indicated that I was trying to address the question of which side was right. My argument deals only with the issue of compatibility, so I don't understand how what you're saying is relevant at all.

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These are real life average Southerners. Yes, the South if full of people like this, and they are the main source of bullet sponges in the military.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4348726/Two-children-30-animals-rescued-Georgia-home.html

>>8775262
For a board that constantly makes a big deal about how intelligent, tolerant, and enlightened it supposedly is... /sci/ is pretty goddamned ignorant and intolerant of anyone they've been told not to like.

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Who are Texas, Georgia, and North Carolina generally a step ahead of the rest of the South?

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I feel like a good start would be an appeal to nature since rural folk will often have a greater connection to forests, wetlands, wildlife etc. Even if it's all polluted overgrown corn fields for agribusiness, it's a start and from there you can make a case for the physical sciences as some kind of intellectual foundation.

>>8779946
Georgia has Atlanta which is the economic hub of the south. Austin is responsible for a big chunk of Texas GDP due to UTAustin, but Austin like to pride themselves on being a city-state and not really Texas.

>>8775262
I've rarely run into this kind of thinking here in Texas, but I was pretty surprised by how dumb people were when I visited Atlanta. Maybe it's worse in the east, I don't know.

>>8779946
idk about the others but for Texas it's oil.

>>8779946
Georgia: Atlanta
Texas: Oil, and Austin and Houston are real cities
North Carolina: Research triangle

>>8779951
Texas is big. Its culture is not really the same as the deep South. The main problem of the South is the Scots-Irish culture which is historically anti-intellectual and violent.

>>8779986
>>8779946
also that's Virginia in purple, not North Carolina.

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>>8779946
Not the best metric for an economic map of the US. Number of economically prosperous counties is going to be skewed by major cities and small areas with extremely lucrative industries (hence why Alaska, with its lucrative fishing and oil drilling communities is ranked higher than almost two-thirds of the US.

If you want a better idea of the economic state of the US, compare median income of the state to cost-of-living. There's still some skewing from major cities but it gives a much clearer picture of the economic well-being of different regions. Most of the South isn't fairing too bad with the notable exceptions of West Virginia (due to the collapse of the coal industry) and South Carolina (and to a lesser extent the states around the Mississippi delta).

The real surprise, though, is the Midwest and the Heartlands - with the exception of Montana there isn't a single state in the region where median income vs cost of living is below the national average.

>>8779946
>number of counties per state that are in the top 100 nationwide
this metric is absolute trash
also what kind of brainlet can't tell the difference between NC and VA?

>>8779240
>it's called cognitive dissonance

Look mommy, I'm being condescending! Aren't I smart!

>>8781966
>condescending!

Truth seems like that to you often, doesn't it.

>>8775262
Get rid of racists, ignorance is spread in their minds like a disease. It is the enemy of knowlege.

>>8781968
Not him but the guy clearly didn't know what he was talking about since he just ended up going "nah, I don't like ur argument I agree with Wise! I don't have a rebuttal just watch the video, that's my argument."

>>8779172
>incompatable
How can two ideas as unrelated as religion and science, whose venn diagrams don't even intersect, be incompatible -or- demand that westerners abandon their primary cultural identity?

For such a drastic claim that is this cancerous, this fatal to the western worlds soul and reason d'etre... SURELY you have definitive proof of something right? Or is it how I suspect, the west should commit suicide and cease to exist, because reasons.

Are white atheists this insane? Please tell me youre just a muslim so your motive to destroy my homeland makes sense?

>>8782436
>, whose venn diagrams don't even intersect

-walking on water
-turning water into wine
-rising from the dead
-genesis

etc etc

there is plenty of overlap, just ask Wise

>>8782436
Your claims that they lay in different domains only make sense when talking about very "enlightened" ideas about religion - i.e, religion as a path to spirituality, realizing the words written themselves are not intended to be taken literally and exist in a cultural context, but also realizing that the deeper meaning of the ideas themselves provide methods of making yourself and others a kinder, more compassionate, and happier human.

Essentially, it only works if you look at religion metaphorically as a way to be a "better human".

Religious fundamentalism and science are completely incompatible. Christian fundamentalism claims that the earth is 6000 years old, that there was a global flood, and other ideas that are not borne out by the scientific evidence.

>>8782526
you're just wasting your time arguing with a /pol/-type, religion to them is an ethno-cultural identity first and foremost

>>8775262

Well you clearly aren't a dixiefag so maybe just leave

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>>8775262
ITT Brainwashed "Scientists" discuss their religious affiliations.

>>8775262
I know.. I live in Texas

Help me.....

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>>8775262
I think slavery disincentivized industrialization in the South, and having what are essentially African colonies will drag down overall economic indicators. Other than that based off median income at least you could only say that Southern Whites are 10% worse than Coastal New England whites. This might just be purchasing power parity not being taken into account or ports/centers of commerce/silicon meme valley bumping it up a bit.

Other than that sounds like you just dislike the people around you because they have a different opinion on things that don't really effect whether or not the trains run on time.

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>>8784503
goddamn it, that's not the graph I wanted.