***Christian General Thread***

Im supposed to be a christian but I'm at a deep spiritual pit. Feel like trash..

>>37949431
Well, perhaps I can help you. Feel free to ask questions and I will answer to the best of my abilities.

>>37949466
I can't live the christian life although I want to. I'm too hung up on my personal selfish dreams, because I've sinned so many times that I've lost all strength and the only way I feel I canbe free is by running away from my life to a far away country. I wanna give to the poor and spread gospel but I can't even keep myself together, so I wanna run away literally

>>37949517
>I've sinned so many times that I've lost all strength and the only way I feel I can be free is by running away from my life to a far away country.
I want to answer this bit in particular.

First of all, I want you to know that you are closer to God than you think. This type of mentality where you have noticed your sins and feel too weak to lift yourself up is specificaly why you need God. In fact suit and tie wearing Christians are in more of a danger since they have "followed" God their whole lives and this might cause a certain feeling of arrogance.
To better explain let's look into the scriptures.

>When Jesus heard this, he told them, "Healthy people don't need a doctor--sick people do. I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners."
Mark 2:17

The context of this verse is the Pharisees, who were the super religious people of Jesus's day who wore the whole get up and were very devout, saw Jesus eating with prostitutes, tax collectors and other such people who at the time people would have looked down on. But you know what Jesus said? He said that because they knew they were sinners and were humble, it was they who Christ died for.

One has to remember that Jesus loves you and wants to see you saved.

>This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:3-4

But to do so, you must first be humble enough to look at yourself and say that you need help. In regards to feeling too far from God. Don't. That is the devil speaking. You see you should never feel as though you are too far from God because there is nothing too great. The best illustration of this would be the parable of the prodigal son: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+15%3A11-32

The story is about a father who loses his son and they son does terrible things e.g, buys prostitues, but in the end the father waits for the son to come back

>>37949517
Cont. Later on, the son comes back, and the father accepts him with open hands, and a party is thrown for him. This was to represent god's love for us and that we should never feel as though we are too far from God since God is always waiting for us to come back to the father.

Hope that answered your question.

bump for god i guess

>>37949705
I got baptised a year ago(out of my own will) I lived in a christian family all my child and teen years so I know the Bible well.

I got saved a year ago, but I've been struggling with depression, confusion etc. Which has led me to porn often. I feel so down afterwards that I can't even get out of bed for days in a row. I only go to the toilet or fridge to get something small to eat. I get offended very easily by people and wanna wander alone. Im so sick of everything I just wanna run away and get a new life. I don't want a girlfriend, wife or even friends, I just wanna go and do what I wanna do. Nothing particularly sinful, but it's selfish to wanna just go and live by myself without following God's plan more closely. Im so done, I was in Rome on a holiday last week and it was great but even there I got depressed and relapsed to porn. And when I got home I did it again. Life is shit forgive my language but I feel so down. Even when things get better and I feel fine and closer to God the wordly temptations come where I just wanna have a good time all the time. Life is such a mess man.... I come to Bible for encouragement but even that doesn't cheer me up.

>>37949316
i am supposed to be a christian but im in a hole too
i was raised as a christian, but.. i don't know if i ever knew what faith was. i know there's a god but i keep messing up even when i know im doing something wrong.
im too caught up on the thrill of some sins too, and sometimes i do things for no literal reason and know i shouldnt have.
i feel like, i don't know how to talk to god, or that i'm too far from him, something, i-i really dont know. its hard for me to think about.
i know i've not been a good person in general, i dont pray often at all and i don't live virtuously. but i know... i could do better. but i don't know how to at the same time.

when i ask for help i dont even feel entirely genuine in asking help a lot, like im too tainted to even be.. pure enough? to initiate anything?
I feel too.. stuck. I guess. I don't know

Stuckness is a very big problem I have in a lot of ways

I was baptised a long time ago, but at a church that was apparently not the best according to my family and I'm afraid I might have tried to make myself think I felt a change.
I don't know what any of it means and I get scared a lot. I keep messing up and feel stuck in a negative progress loop.

>>37949872
Have you tried praying? Remember the reason for God coming into this world wasn't because he wanted to burden you but to free you from all anxieties.

>Cast all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you.
1 Peter 5:7

God is trying to help you and free you from the shackles that come from the law. his death on the cross atoned for all your sins, and if you just had faith in him then you would have nothing to fear.

Just have faith in God and trust that he will sanctify you. If God loved you enough to bring you to know him, then he would never quite something he started.

>And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.
Philippians 1:6

>>37949998
read this: >>37949705 and >>37950027
then if there are any further questions you have then feel free to ask.

>>37950027
Yeah I love praying when I'm not in a pit. When Im in a pit the last thing I wanna do is pray. Im not a suicidal person but I just don't see how I will even drag myself through life.

>>37950041
how.. do you pray?
i dont know if i know how to do it right
i can't do anything right in life, honestly
i've asked for help, and i don't think anything has happened
but i know im a bad person and must be doing something wrong
but i dont know how to break free of things

>>37949316
Christian anon
If I accept Jesus as my saviour but despise the rest of the church (as I just see it as one big business having nothing to do with Jesus) am I okay ?

>>37950118
With your own words. Whatever is on your mind.

>>37950087
>When I'm in a pit the last thing I wanna do is pray.
I, in fact, think that is when you should pray the most. You see if one is only praying to God when he is in a certain mood or has a certain desire the one might question the view that man has of God. Your father does you only talk to him when you're happy or even at times of distress do you also reach out to him and seek help. This is because you have a relationship and relationships are strongest during times of suffering.

>>37950195
Yeah, I guess. I mean Martin Luther had the same idea thus starting the reformation. But I still disagree with what you said. I mean some can use religion for personal gain, but that was not the original intention of the gospel message.

>>37950118
>how.. do you pray?
There's nothing special to it. Whatever's on your mind, whatever emotion you're feeling or whatever struggles your are having, just share it with God. But in the end, trust God enough that he will be faithful and try to make your prays be things that exalt God or help you exalt god since god should always be in te forefront of our Christianity.

>>37950216
Yeah but try to understand my position dude. This sort of lifestyle has been going on for months once a week, Im feeling really low, Im starting to get pretty pissed off and depressed at the same time.

>>37950204
>>37950280
can one just talk to god? im very disorganized.


>try to make your prays be things that exalt God or help you exalt god since god should always be in te forefront of our Christianity.
how do i do that? i think ive struggled with this more than ive realized maybe

>Follow Christ's teachings and accept Jesus into your heart
>Life constantly shits on you, God doesn't protect you from evil and maliciousness
>See that the most despicable and evil people in your life gain success and become blessed
>God can't even grant you a female companion despite being an ideal Christian man
>God's plan is absolute bullshit and your prayers are met with silence or free misery.

Yahweh and Christianity is a fucking fraud

>>37950285
Yeah, I know where you're coming from and having a too quick of a paradigm shift could lead to negative effects. Paul, who was persecutor of the church after his conversion went blind for 3 days. It was quite a tough event or him.

I'd say take it slow. Start off with praying before bed, even if it's for 15 seconds, justs start off slow and let that little bit of faith you have, grow into something huge!

>Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.
Matthew 13:32

>>37950310
Yeah, you can talk to God just like that because of JESUS. He died for your sins so you could talk to God, because no sinner can be in connection with God, but through the sacrifice of Christ that connection can be restored if you just follow Jesus.

As for the exalting prayers, don't worry about it too much. Just pray to God and be thankful for the good things He has provided you

>>37950310
>can one just talk to God? im very disorganised.
Yes, of course, you can. Don't worry about what you say as long as it's sincere God will hear it and bless you.

>how do I do that? I think I've struggled with this more than I've realised maybe
It basically means do what you do but do it because you love God. You are dealing with a lot of problems, right? Well, pray that God saves you from it so then afterwards you can help other Christians going through te same thing. Thus exalting God.

>>37950407
No man I need some drastic change and fast. This life cant go on anymore

>>37950403
Funny you say this. This exact topic is discussed in the Bible.

read Ecclesiastes 6:1-6

The thing is you've kinda missed the point. It's not about the world here now but the hereafter.

>>37950492
You should really have patience. In fact simply taking the first step already is a sign of a true believer.

>>37950589
>You should really have patience. In fact simply taking the first step already is a sign of a true believer.
Im too impatient at this point. I just wanna run away from my environment and forget about thw society and everyone

>>37950589
>The thing is you've kinda missed the point. It's not about the world here now but the hereafter.
That's not good enough. The hereafter, even if you have faith, is not concrete or known, this world is tangible.

>>37949316
hi christanon im the one who brought up jordan peterson a few weeks ago, did you listen to him?

>>37950624
>impatient
That's the thing. You've fallen at the first hurdle. You have a sense of entitlement and just simply want things for your won reasons. But you have to remember we are not doing this for ourselves but to exalt God.

>But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.
Acts 20:24

The reason why we preach, the reason why we follow god's command and the reason why we love one and other isn't because we want to please ourselves or be seen as good to people, but it is because we love God. We are simply an instrument of God and are only here to lift him. This is the mentality one must have.

>I just wanna run away from my environment and forget about the society and everyone
That's the thing about Christianity we put ourselves in tough situation and all for what? Our love for God. And if you can't even suffer for God then you have a serious problem. But luckily for you, there was a man who did all that, and if you simply believe in him then he will take away your fears doubts and anxieties, and when we do our works it's done in love, not by obligation.

>The hereafter, even if you have faith, is not concrete or known, this world is tangible.
Are you trying to say God doesn't exist? Also, faith is what gets you into heaven.

>>37950825
>The hereafter, even if you have faith, is not concrete or known, this world is tangible.
Are you trying to say God doesn't exist? Also, faith is what gets you into heaven.

>>37950845
meant to send this to you: >>37950756

>>37950589
not really. that's loosely related at best

>hurr some blessed people actually don't enjoy their perks

well most do and they do undeservely

>>37951482
>not really. that's loosely related at best
It's very related. If you read the whole book of Ecclesiastes the you'll realise that it, in fact, discussed points you have raised word for word.

>hurr some blessed people actually don't enjoy their perks
That's the thing some didn't get any perks. Despite being chosen by God they were still aware of the strifes of life.

>well most do and they do undeservely
Everyone gets what they deserve. No one is entitled to any good.

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>>37950403
> an ideal Christian man

An ideal Christian male doesn't give up on Christianity because life is too hard.

>>37951621
>Joel Osteen
Eww.

I can't being myself to believe in any gods or prophets. If I'm a good person can I still get into heaven if it it real?

Religion is built on books channelled by people in communication with false Gods. People worship these many different false Gods, thus willingly supplying the "Gods" with parts of their lifeforce energy. Ritualistic blood sacrifices give these "Gods" the greatest yield of energy. The more energy they receive, the greater their ability to manifest their will. Yahweh, Lucifer, Allah, etc are such "Gods", competing for human energy. Earth is an energy harvesting farm, which also includes parasitic astral beings and ETs feeding off our energy which is methodologically suppressed by the matrix control system, i.e. society.

Jesus may be real and may be a key out of this place, but he shouldn't we worshipped, only emulated.

The "afterlife" may be artificial intelligence built by ETs. In this case, karma is their false system which tricks us into reincarnating back to Earth with erased memories through our free will.

>>37951621
Agree with what you said but Joel Osteen is motivation talk not gospel.

>>37951680
When you say good, to who standards are we talking about? If we're talking about man's standards then is that good enough? We as humans have immensely low standards when compared to that of the creator of the universe, and it is his standard, at the end of the day, that we must fulfil in order to achieve eternal life.

There is, in fact, a story in the OT that directly answers your query. Read this from Isaiah...

>And I said: "Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts!"
Isaiah 6:5

Now, this verse might not make a lot of sense to you but here is the context. Here, Isaiah is speaking, who was the most holy man in all of Jerusalem. If you saw him, you would think to yourself that he is clearly a man sent by God. He might have even of thought of himself like this also, but who was he comparing himself to? To other people! But in this wonderful verse Isaiah sees the Lord surrounded by all of his angels as they scream "Kadosh", which mean Holy, Isaiah looks in awe and finally sees the true standards of goodness. As what does the most holy man in all of Jerusalem say, if not then the world? "I am a man of unclean lips, surrounded by people of unclean lips".

You see Isaiah saw the true standards that needed to be met and after seeing it, he saw his true sinful self. And so we must think the same of all people. No one is without sin, and because of this, we all deserve death. But if one humbles himself believes then he is saved.

>>37951680
Possibly, but you would have to be extradionarily virtuous as well as to have been ignorant of Christianity. I'd guess that neither of those things are true in your case.

>>37951734
Even then wouldnt be enough

>>37951707
Yeah that image is not pro-Osteen, it's showing the absurdity of Osteen's message in the context of Christian martyrs being killed by the Romans.

>>37951701
>Religion is built on books channelled by people in communication with false Gods
I agree to an extent.

>Ritualistic blood sacrifices give these "Gods" the greatest yield of energy.

Proverbs 21:3
>To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

>competing for human energy.
Don't they have to exist to be competing for energy? Now you sound like the spooky one.

>he shouldn't we worshipped, only emulated.
Nope, he is God himself and deserves worship.

>The "afterlife" may be artificial intelligence built by ETs.
got any evidence?

>>37951841
>Nope, he is God himself and deserves worship.
How do you know he's God? How do you know what God is? Is God not everywhere all at once? From what I understand, he never said he's God, but that he and God are one. But aren't we all? God/the source wouldn't need worship, because "he" requires nothing.

>The "afterlife" may be artificial intelligence built by ETs
>got any evidence?
trickedbythelight.com

>>37951961
>How do you know he's God?
How do you know what God is?
Scripture

>Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58

>Is God not everywhere all at once?
Yep.

>But aren't we all?
Nope.

>God/the source wouldn't need worship, because "he" requires nothing.
You have misunderstood the purpose of prayer mate.

>>37950825
well christanon?

Christian here

My faith has helped me through so much, and I believe it with all my heart. It is a great thing to experience, robots

It can definitely be a long journey, but it's worth every minute

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>>37949316
Is being a Catholic and a Christian the same thing or not?

>>37952607
it's the same thing.

"things used to be, now they're not" - Kanye original

>>37950403
>gain success
>become blessed

two entirely different things

I know first hand you can have "success" but be completely and utterly unblessed and sick. Read the bible some more and you'll realize it's the ONLY way

>>37949466
What created God? Whose to say that if God wasnt created and is everything that the same doesn't apply to the big bang theory and or other theories?

I'm a Christian but I don't go to church anymore because I'm gay and other people judging and condemning only distracts me from what's really important, my relationship with Jesus.

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okay, i have a question/confession. i jack off a LOT, like multiple times a day. this sounds like a joke but i'm being serious. i love god, i really do but i am cursed and i really have no other option. do i still have a place with him, or am i to be damned like the sinner i am. and if you know, how do i lift this curse? the lonliness is driving me mad, i just want someone to hold me at this point.

This might sound like a dumb question and it kind of is, but I feel like like I'm just being religious for the benefits (not going to hell mainly) and not for actual devotion to god. How do I change this way of thinking or am I just damned? I want to devote myself but I'm honestly not sure how to do that sincerely without looking at the benefits.

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Does God watch me jerk off?
Does he like it?

>>37950118
There's no right or wrong way to pray, just talk to god, let out any frustrations you might have.

I have a lot of anger issues and I pray sometimes in the car while I'm driving, just any time you have a minute and want to talk to somebody about something share a bit of your life with god.

Is there hell now? Or there will be one only after dead will rouse themselves from their sleep and rise from their graves and goats will be destroyed by fire?

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>>37949316
This is a Jewish Discord

https://discord gg/Fd9Aned

Can you please teach them the errors of their ways

About to head to church again this week. I still have some social anxiety there but it's nice to be around other believers. I put off going forever but it was worth it when I finally went

God bless you anons

>>37952607
In some sense yes and other sense no. They do believe in a lot of spooky things regarding Mary.

>>37952965
There is a big difference between God and the universe, and that is that the universe had a beginning, but God did not. God was always there and always will be. He is the alpha and the omega and needs no creator since he himself is an uncaused first cause.

>>37953042
I'm very sorry to hear that. You really shouldn't listen to them.

but those who know they are sinners."
Mark 2:17

The context of this verse is the Pharisees, who were the super religious people of Jesus's day who wore the whole get up and were very devout, saw Jesus eating with prostitutes, tax collectors and other such people who at the time people would have looked down on. But you know what Jesus said? He said that because they knew they were sinners and were humble, it was they who Christ died for.

Don't feel as though you're too far from God. You might be closer to God than they are.

>>37953384
I think the above reply applies to you too.

>>37954158
try looking here: >>37950027

>>37954421
Are you the same guy from the last thread?

>>37955937
>Is there hell now?
Yeah, there is a hell.

>>37956151
Went in then left.

>>37956259
Amen brother. I have a discord group I think you might wanna join. I posted the link in the OP if you wanna join

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>>37953042
>>When Jesus heard this, he told them, "Healthy people don't need a doctor--sick people do. I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners."
>Mark 2:17