no MBTI thread?

>>36013674
any other INFJs lol

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Why are INTPs so close to psycopaths?

>ENTJ
Soon my collection of vintage cheeses will reach epic proportions

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>>36013771
Probably because you realize the futility and the reality of emotion.

It's all just brain signals biologically embedded in you to help with things like procreation and survival.

INTP here as well.

I have done some thinking about INTPs.

>INTPs are more autism-prone.
>Female INTPs are more likely to have gender identity disorder as their brain is more likely to follow male patterns of thought and comprehension.

Do you guys think this is true?

>>36013812
Met a lot of INTP females that identity closer with being a male then a female. Don't know if there is a direct correlation though. It's all subjective, you know.

>>36013826
I'm trying to figure out if there is a correlation.

Also, are INTPs more likely to be liberal or conservative? I'm libertarian/conservative leaning.

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any other ISTP boys here? I can't really seem to find others like me

>>36013855
INTPs ingenious is defined by how well they take in new information to the ideas formed in their head.

So I would think more likely to be liberal and believe in things such as separation of church and state. I know I was really liberal younger but now I suppose libertarian/conservative but I don't know enough attention to politics to give a worthwhile opinion.

>>36013885

my dad is an istp, he's a moron

he sits around in terrible back pain because he wants to get some disability benefits rather than just fix the issue and live a pain-free life.

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Can ESTPs be robots or not?

>>36013885
Hello my fellow ISTP

>>36013771
Pyschopaths are generally good at climbing the corporate ladder and shit like that due to their lack of regard for other humans. I'm definitely not like that. I think as autistic as you can get without clinically having autism is a better descriptor for INTPs.

>>36013889
I didn't really mean classic liberal or classic conservative.

as an INTP, I do readily take in new information or new ideas, but I don't just accept all of them. I think about each of them before I decide whether it's a good thing or not.

For example the muslim refugees. I think about the issue. I find that the cons outweigh the pros. Therefore, I don't support the taking in of refugees.

>>36013944
No, psychopaths are generally total losers who are shunned by society because of their inability to act normal. Only the top 1% of the smartest psychopaths are able to overcome their disadvantages and thrive, the rest stagnate and suffer.

>>36013948
I agree with you on the weighing pros and cons part. There's just so many factors to weight lol. I think feelings get in the way of a lot of peoples judgement though, even when they are claiming pure logic. If you're going to deny a group of people entry, don't make it about race, just say that statistically a lot terrorists originate in the region and due to that you will suspending travel or something until it clears up. Since in my opinion, doing shit like deny people entry on the grounds of their race is a quick road to fascism, and I really fucking hate collectivist ideologies like fascism.

>>36014038
Right, that's not what I meant. If you're a mudslime coming from a high income family in like, idk Japan or some shit you should have no problems.

But the reality is, the risk of having muslims from certain countries immigrating in is too high.

Sorry to make it about politics.

To change the subject, are INTPs doomed to be low earners due to laziness and getting lost in thoughts? Is there hope?

Also, this might sound chldish and retarded, but one time I hated my min wage retail job so much that it made me pretty depressed for a while.

>>36013948
I don't know if INTPs are more prone to agreeing things on a liberal or in a republican way in the modern american setting of those words. I guess the answer is out there somewhere.

>>36014036
>psychopaths are generally total losers who are shunned by society because of their inability to act normal.
That's definitely not INTP thing, more like ISTP or ESTP. INTP's are not that spontaneous to become psychopaths, it's actually the opposite - INTPs think too much to do anything.

>>36013885
There are quite a lot of us in here.

>>36014036
>No, psychopaths are generally total losers who are shunned by society because of their inability to act normal
That would be more along the lines of sociopathy, but neither are really official terms. Antisocial personality disorder is what they're both called.

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>>36014038
>If you're going to deny a group of people entry, don't make it about race
That's where you're wrong. Multiculturalism and -ethnicity does not work. It causes needless conflict and worsens the quality of life in the country, often even leading to worse and more totalitarian politics as the leadership use the terrorism and infighting as an excuse for increased powergrabbing.

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Why am I getting Chris-chan documentaries recommended to me on YouTube?

>>36014152
same. Is the youtube algorithm meme real?

>>36014200
>meme
yeah, no

>>36014141
Read the article, and it is talking about how partial mixture between cultural groups combined with poorly defined boundaries are conductive to violence. It talks about Sweden, a multi-religious and multi-lingual yet stable country as an example.
>"Violence arises when groups are of a geographical size that they are able to impose cultural norms on public spaces, but where there are still intermittent violations of these rules due to the overlap of cultural domains."
It's talking about the importance of good integration policies, and setting clear boundaries, not ethic states and cultural cleansing.

>>36013674
>INTP
>thinking
>Existential crisis and crippling depression

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>intp
>suicidal
>can't find a reason to off myself

This shit is getting absurd, I can't find a reason to live, but I can't find a reason to die. Wat do?

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>>36014407
>it is talking about how partial mixture between cultural groups combined with poorly defined boundaries are conductive to violence.
Exactly. This is what multiculturalism and mass migration are. This is what is happening in Europe right now.
>a multi-religious and multi-lingual yet stable country as an example.
You haven't been following Sweden's situation recently, have you? It's understandable, I suppose, since the government refuses to release statistics on immigration and crime and keeps claiming that everything is fine, despite massive increases in crime and crimes that have never been seen before, like grenade attacks occuring far too often, for a Nordic country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

https://www.rt.com/news/376582-sweden-cop-immigrant-crime/

>It's talking about the importance of good integration policies
Integration does not occur in any notable amounts in the West. Not a single European country has succesfully integrated the migrant hordes into their society. Integration functions when the migrants are very few in number and have no choice but to either become social outcasts, or join their new nation completely. This is no longer the case and thus integration has failed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/14/angela-merkel-multiculturalism-is-a-sham/
>and setting clear boundaries, not ethic states and cultural cleansing.
National borders are those clear boundaries. Unless you're suggesting that the migrants should be given pieces of the nations, where they can live completely amongst themselves? Ethnic states, like 20th century Sweden are by far the most prosperous and happy.

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>>36013885
ISTP here
I spend most of my days online or working out, not seeking social interaction but once someone wants too talk, its all about shit going on in their life

>You re such a good listener anon
>You give the best advice
>Why dont you go out more often?

Maaaan, i dont want too relate too peoples fucking problems, shit

>>36013917
Go away chad

Orgy

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pic related. my life sucks dick.

>>36014200
same. why the fuck?.

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I am an INTP but feel like my emotions run my life

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>>36013948
>>36013889

INTP's are actually quite independent. Freethinkers who understand nuance.

Where are my fellow INFPs ? pls respond

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>>36014706
>you rule your life with thinking but your emotions still manage to fuck you in the ass
iktf anon this is me >>36014473
I wish someone would kill me desu just so I don't have to do it myself, I can't do it to my family desu

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>>36014576
INFP's are trash. Sorry anon.

>>36014723
>Freethinkers who understand nuance.
Maybe the mature, intelligent ones. Most people aren't, though.

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>>36014731
Ive been thinking about going to the dangerous part of town and just waiting to get killed

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>>36013674
I used to consistently get INFP. Now that I'm even more isolated and depressed, I get INFP-T.
What gives?

>>36014738
I'm INFP but I have a positive outlook on life, somewhat function normally with a good job and hate SJWs. What does it meme ?

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>>36014761
Meant to say that I get ISFP-T now.
Apologies for being a fucking retard

>>36014790
;__________________________: omg andon dont talk about urshelf that way

Isfp

I'm very different

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>found out that gf is cheating on me again
>too much of a pussy to break up with her
who else /infp/ here?

>>36013812
>Probably because you realize the futility and the reality of emotion.

>It's all just brain signals biologically embedded in you to help with things like procreation and survival.

intp here as well you would be correct

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>>36014875
Have some dignity, man. Break up with her.

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>>36014875
get >>>/out/ fucking normie scum
you deserved it
reeeeeeeeeeee

>>36014882
That's just autism and an undeveloped Fe, my friend.

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>>36014875
>again

INTJ pretending to be INFP detected

I always either get INFP or INTP. Could I say I'm an INF/TP?

>>36014965
how?

orgy

>>36014919
I don't know how to break up with someone. Plus, I feel like I owe her for putting up with someone like me for such a long time.

>>36014994
>Could I say
to who?
why?
who the fuck cares?

>>36013778
Why cheese?

ENTJ here. Obsessed with bottle caps, films and LPs

>>36013778
>>36015930
>ENTJ
>only collect notches on my belt

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>>36016057
Also collect Todoist achievements

>>36013885
My dad is an ISTP and he is a pretty cool guy.

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Where my ENFP bros at

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>>36013754
>ctrl+f infj
>oh cool first reply is infj
>1 of 1 match

We are the 1%.

>>36016068
>planning out every your day using online tools

I'd die if I did this desu

>>36016057
>>36016068

What are those?

You have been muted for 2 seconds because your comment was not original

>>36013674
>tfw ENTP

I just come here to laugh

spoiler: the last sentence was a lie and I want to die hehe xD

Have any INTPs found a way to not carry the serial-killer look around all the time? Really starting to get to me since I live on campus for uni, I'm fine when I'm drunk but constantly tense when sober

>>36013944

But INTPs usually have a lack of regard for other humans

>>36016267
I think intp's look harmless and afraid when tense.

INTJ's look more like serial killers.

>>36016280
You like to think that dont you desu

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>>36016267
What's the serial killer look?

>>36016299

No i actually dont, and im not INTP. Its just what i have observed so far.

>>36014576
>51%
Take this test my dude, you might just be a feelsy INTP

http://www.celebritytypes.com/test/infp-or-intp.php

>>36016300
Reacting way too fast, staring people down and not smiling, constantly scanning

>>36016386
Isn't that normal? Well, except maybe staring people down. I only do that to suspicious looking folks or at night.

>>36016393
I just feel like I overreact to everything way too much, alcohol slows me down to non-autistic levels but I can't be tipsy all the time

>>36016267
Only xNTJs look like psychos.

ENTPs look funny yet depressed and INTPs have a 'I'm tired of your shit' look

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>>36016426
>INTPs have a 'I'm tired of your shit' look
It's not just a look, you know.

>>36014723
That's interesting, so we have the highest rate of independents. I used to be an independent too, but after the recent election I was turned off from the Democratic party entirely, and will only vote Republican or third party.

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>>36014723
>36% of women are either ESFJ or ISFJ

>>36016201
The first is slang for girls I've fucked, the second is an online productivity app. Pretty worth it desu

I don't get the difference between P and J. It's literally impossible to do things without a plan. You have to have some idea of what you're going to do before you do it. Plans differ based on goals, if you want to take a walk for fun for example, it would be fine to keep your options open and just go wherever you want, but if you're trying to lose weight it would be better to plot out a route and do that, or choose a specific amount of time to walk for. The only thing that makes a difference in whether you're keeping your options open is whether that helps or hurts your specific goals for the task.

>>36016162
Maybe current you would die, but successful you would begin to live

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>>36013812
In personal experience the latter is true
They're always that retarded 'gender-fluid' nonsense, lezzers, or m2f

>>36016610
Because mbti isn't based on a series of dichotomies but on a stack of cognitive functions

>>36016156
Sup INFJ bro?

How's a mind full of contradictions treating you?

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>>36016634
>They're always that retarded 'gender-fluid' nonsense, lezzers, or m2f
You're not serious, are you?

>>36016664
What are the infj contradictions

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Obligatory post

Originili posti

>>36016418
Bumping, how do I work on this autism

INTP since age 12

>>36013674
These tests seem to give me inconsistent results. I get INTP mostly but I tend to go all over. I don't think that this stuff is that useful.

Has anyone met a conservative who wasn't a sensor? Literally ever last one of them has been a sensor in my experience.

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>>36016156
my man I'm here

how is life?

>intp wanna be entj
>only thing keeping me from being a leader is being outspoken.
>so close, yet so far

>>36016843
Define conservative, dummy.

>>36016855
>only thing keeping me from being a leader is being outspoken.
You can practice that. Won't make it enjoyable though, considering the people you're leading probably aren't up on your level.

Was Caesar an ENTP?

>>36016855

INTPs cant be leaders. Stick to solving strategical, tactical and logistical problems, you can still have huge influence over an organization or cause that way, and its what you're good at. Even INTJs, who are much better leaders than INTPs, have a lot of trouble actually leading people.

>>36016969
>INTPs cant be leaders.
That's nonsense. It might not come naturally and requires analysis and logical thought, but it's by no means impossible if you simply put in any amount of effort to it.

>>36016910
I mean politically conservative. If you don't know what that means, you're the dummy.

>>36016291
I don't think I look like a serial killer. Though I do have ASPD haha

>>36017011
Do you think no life exists outside of the United States or something?

>>36017010

No its not possible, at least not in real life. You could maybe manage your own gaming clan or something but irl isnt going to work out, it will drain all your energy. Ti-Ne is too internally based. Leaders need to be externally aggressive, INTPs are externally passive and internally aggressive. There is a reason why there are no INTP leaders out there, either now or in history.

>>36017011
Over 70% of people are sensing, so it's not a surprise you'll find mostly sensors in any group.

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Tell me to leave all you want

>>36017056
>it will drain all your energy
Yes and? Nobody is performing their leadership role absolutely 24/7, or even if they are, only a fraction of that requires acting visibly like one. Most leadership does not consist of acting as an icon anyway. Most leaders aren't like Hitler, for example.
>why there are no INTP leaders out there, either now or in history.
Lincoln? James Madison? Albert Speer?

>>36016843
ENTJ conservative here. Actually so conservative I'm reactionary. Most xxTJs I've met are conservative. Like structure and order, don't like surprises.

>>36016940
>>36016940
No. He was ENTJ.

I call my paranoia Caesar complex because I'm always afraid of someone killing me behind my back so I'm always checking out who's behind me.

Brutus was probably ENTP

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>tfw no racist ISTJ gf
Why even Iive?

>>36017217
I can be your racist ISTJ bf (male)

>>36017198
Where is any of this coming from. Agree with Caesar ENTJ, but what's the rest of it?

>>36017133

Its not about that, you need to be able to order people around, delegate tasks and in general have external organization skills. INTPs are internally organized but externally disorganized, as opposed to for example ENTJs who are externally organized (Te) but internally disorganized (Ni).

>Lincoln? James Madison? Albert Speer?

Lincoln is the only real leader here, and afaik he had some very close people to him who could do his real world organization and realization of his ideas.

Albert Speer did exactly what i recommended you earlier on, solve strategical, tactical and logistical problems.


Dont know much about James Madison so i cant comment on that.

>>36017273
What do you mean? Caesar being ENTJ?

Well, it's kind of obvious.

>>36017304
I wouldn't refer to Ni as a disorganized function. It's much more organized than Ne.

>>36017355

Its disorganized, just in a different way than Ne. Both are random, erratic and unpredictable, but they go different ways. Basically, they walk in the same way but they take different paths.

>>36017345
I mean
>calling paranoia caesat complex
>Brutus was probably intj

>>36017304
>Its not about that, you need to be able to order people around
Which you do by speaking. Even children can speak and any intelligent INTP can easily learn how to command people, whether he likes doing so or not.
>delegate tasks
See above.
>in general have external organization skills
Give me some examples, because I can't think of anything that can't easily be learned and figured out.
>Albert Speer did exactly what i recommended you earlier on, solve strategical, tactical and logistical problems.
Which he did by ordering people around, delegating tasks and having absolutely amazing external organization skills, which allowed him to multiply the German industrial effectiveness.

>>36017355
Yeah. I think 'Ni' is abstract, not disorganized.

People seem to misunderstand those two concepts concurrently

>>36014875
One thing that would help me make the right choice (breaking up) in that situation would be realizing that by cheating she's saying that she no longer loves you. She doesn't respect you, she doesn't care for you, she is only with you because you enable her, she will never get better and she will always be like this toward you no matter what. None of this is a mistake on her part, you can't accidentally seduce another man, you can't accidentally kiss him, you can't accidentally take off both of your clothes, you can't accidentally choose to lay in bed with him and you most certainly cannot accidentally have him stick his penis in your vagina. She chose this, she chose to break your trust and she'll choose it again.

I literally wouldn't be able to break up with a girl without heavily rationalizing it like this, when I'm devoted to something it's as part of my life as my eyes or hands are, it hurts to remove them.

t. Fellow INFP, wishing you the best.

>>36017401
So basically for INTP's to be fit as leaders they'll need to find a systematic way of interacting with people, much like a psychopath. Right?

>>36017401

You're oversimplfying it. Speaking is just translating your thoughts. Both external and internal organization happen in thought first, the difference lies in WHAT they organize. External organization deals with the object, things that exist irl, like resources and people, internal organization deals with the subject, things that only exist in the mind, like logical frameworks and ideas.

An INTP has to first translate his subject based internal organization to object based organization, then translate this into something understandable for others. Lets just say that while technically possible, it puts you in constant state of stress as you have to use functions like Te, Se and Fe all the time which are very hard to impossible (for most INTPs) to develop. Thats why both Speer and Lincoln had other people (most likely Te doms) to put their ideas into practice for them.

>>36016664
>>36016848
7/10 today. How you doing boys?

>>36016680
I'm happy that I don't have to work in the morning but by this time tomorrow I'll be bored out of my mind and wanting something to do. The next day I'll be at work and wishing I was home doing nothing. This is probably the case for a lot of wageslaves regardless of their star sign though.

>>36016685
Love this
I talk about friendships sometimes to my mates, is that a weird thing?

>>36017503
A systematic way of solving problems through delegation and interaction, yes. Contary to what was said, it is far form impossible, or even difficult for an intelligent, mature INTP, but it's almost certainly not enjoyable, as it could be to some of the more extroverted, thinking types.

>>36017520
>things that only exist in the mind, like logical frameworks and ideas.
Which can be translated into the real world and vice versa, the external reality can be transformed into internal frameworks. People and the world are not all that complex in the end, at least in the context of leadership.
>An INTP has to first translate his subject based internal organization to object based organization
Could you give me an example on what you mean by this?
>Thats why both Speer and Lincoln had other people (most likely Te doms) to put their ideas into practice for them.
Delegation is a massive part of leadership, after all. Take militaries, as a good example. Every leader has roughly 5-12 direct subordinates, who put the leaders' plans and ideas into fruition. This is in no way a problem, as expecting a single man to lead dozens effectively at the same time is foolish.

>>36017400
It's something I came up with to gloss my paranoia. Also, ego pandering

Yeah he probably was.

>>36017399
You sure? I see Ne as a random shotgun 9f connections and possibilities, but Ni as a pretty organized vision. It's a step by step plan vs the interconnected thought bubbles of Ne.

>>36017612
I guess it just doesn't fit in my head. Like Caesar got assassinated precisely because he wasn't paranoid enough and forgave most of his enemies.

>>36017142


I really really think you might be ESTJ. This fits ESTJ much better than it does ENTJ.

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@36017660
Tertiary functions are nowhere close to dominant or auxiliary functions, especially in people within the 4chan age group and maturity level.

>>36017660
bogpill me on tininete, I don't know what these combinations of letters mean

>>36017407
Great way to think about it. I think of Ni as penetrating whereas Ne covers the whole surface. Depth vs breadth.

>>36017652
I suspect that you might have a bias against reactionaries. You assume that the only was one could arrive at reactionary positions would be from an outsized respect for tradition emanating from Si, but there are actually plenty of intellectual justifications for these positions that would appeal to an NT.

I highly recommend the writings of mencius Moldbug at unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com

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>>36017691
That's rude. Not all of use are as immature as you'd expect.

>>36017692
>Ne
Induction, seeing something and intuitively coming up with a myriad of new ideas based on that one thing. Flexible, can play devil's advocate or seemingly switch beliefs on the drop of a hat. Always hungry for new ideas. (NPs)
>Ni
Deduction, seeing something and subconsciously and intuitively processing new data, without really thinking about it they might take something they see or read and come up with an impression of varying brilliance based on it. Curious but focused. Cares more about what you can do with one thing rather than everything related to it. (NJs)
>Te
Goal-oriented, tries to find out what they can use, how they can use it and which ways it will help further their plans. Uses clear, concise procedures and methods to get the job done. Systematic, concrete and accurate. (TJs)
>Ti
Analytic, wants the world to make sense in a logical way. Forms an internal framework of how things work, constantly adds to and improves upon this with experience and experiments. Can be reflective and overly elaborate in their thought processes. (TPs)

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What's yer type and what are you listening to?

INFP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxwJ1q7cIck

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>>36017849
INTP
https://soundcloud.com/afm-records/mors-principium-est-apprentice-of-death

>>36017599

>Which can be translated into the real world and vice versa, the external reality can be transformed into internal frameworks. People and the world are not all that complex in the end, at least in the context of leadership.

Yes, but i explained before that you need to use functions you have trouble with to do that.

>Could you give me an example on what you mean by this?

How do you feel when trying to explain your Ti ideas, thoughts and arguments to someone? It feels like there is some kind of mental obstacle that you need to work around to properly explain something right? Thats what i mean. Applying your Ti framework to real life.

>Delegation is a massive part of leadership, after all. Take militaries, as a good example. Every leader has roughly 5-12 direct subordinates, who put the leaders' plans and ideas into fruition. This is in no way a problem, as expecting a single man to lead dozens effectively at the same time is foolish.

The thing is that these INTP leaders usually had one or two men they gave orders to, and they did the delegating and organizing others to realize it. On the other side, take Genghis Khan, an ENTJ, for example. He was famous for properly delegating tasks, yet a multitude of commanders answered to him, and he had a more hands-on approach, he was more involved in the actual organization. INTP leaders usually had one or two close men who answered to him, and they did the actual delegating of tasks to subordinates. Genghis did it personally, INTPs need another guy to do what Genghis did on his own.

>>36017691
That's not true. Tertiary functions have a lot of impact. Look at ESTPs and ENTPs for example. They master the social world better even than Fe doms just with tertiary Fe.

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>>36017849
My dear INFP brother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgP_2zf0NV8

>>36017916
this is what happens when you take this pseudo-science too seriously, you get people pigeonholing and trying to make everyone into caricatures of their type.

>>36018020

Explain why you think im wrong

>>36014730
Yo. I'm bipolar which explains the emotion

>>36017916
>Yes, but i explained before that you need to use functions you have trouble with to do that.
Hardly. Si for past experiences, combined with Ti to form logical, internal frameworks that you apply onto reality, with Ne continuously working to see more aspects of things. Even a bit of Fe tossed in there can help you consider how your frameworks when applied would affect people.
>It feels like there is some kind of mental obstacle that you need to work around to properly explain something right?
Not really, no. If anything, I want to find out how the other person thinks first so I can effectively and enjoyably explain what I want, but I have no issue just throwing the thoughts out there in simplistic, easily digested formats.
>The thing is that these INTP leaders usually had one or two men they gave orders to, and they did the delegating and organizing others to realize it
Yes, that's how large scale leadership works. The head honcho gives an order to his underlings, who give orders to their subordinates, who give orders to those below them and so forth, until you arrive at the individual level. Micromanagement is a sin that turns leadership ineffective.
>On the other side, take Genghis Khan, an ENTJ, for example. He was famous for properly delegating tasks, yet a multitude of commanders answered to him, and he had a more hands-on approach, he was more involved in the actual organization.
So, he overruled the organization, pointlessly went in to micromanage things, doing his subordinates jobs?
>INTPs need another guy to do what Genghis did on his own
Everyone at any notable level of leadership needs "another guy" to do shit. The skill of delegation, recognizing and attracting individual talent as subordinates is an intrinsic part of quality leadership. This is how most larger scale leadership functions today, especially so in the military.

>>36014723
Fascinating. INTP skews way Republican

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>>36017917
No way, look at pic related or any accomplished ENFJ, they know the social world way more than Beef Hardcheese and Tommy Chatterbox.

You don't get an entire country to become Nazis by kicking the ball real good or jawing off about nonsense for 5 hours straight. ENFJs shit on E*TPs when it comes to the social world.

>>36018069
Makes sense, considering how modern liberalism is more about feefees than logic.

>>36014738
I'm INFP AND bipolar, guess I'm fucked

I dont seem to fit. i am INFP and from now on i will be honest with you.

WHAT IS GOOD FOR ME OR IN ME.

YOU INTP ARE SMART BUT LAZY, GET DO SOME WORK THR WAY YOU KNOW IT.

YOU INTJ THANK YOU, YOUR PRESSENCE IS BETTER FELT WHEN YOU SPEAK YOUR MIND.

INTJs DO YOU EVEN TRY TO EXIST ?

infps i wont scream in your face, but once try to accept critique. SPEAK !!!

my dream job is to be a cook ..for one week, no i cant do it.

>>36018084
I'm infp but libertarian- conservative. I guess I get emotional about moral principles

>>36018083
i can relate to this tiny guy alot.

i am a great sidekick. i can give everything.if it seems right.

>>36018191
Yes, there's also that side to feefees. Now that liberalism is receiving a backlash, I'd suspect more and more feelers turning conservative.

>>36018035
Because you're making out peoples types and their cognitive functions like they're set in stone, as if people can be fit into 16 neat boxes. When you take MBTI this far past its limitations as a personality test, you start to pigeonhole people make make them into caricatures, I've seen it time and time again when I was big into this years back.

>I'm XXXX, are we compatible with YYYY for marriage?
>well that's just like an XXXX to argue like that
>I couldn't really stand up for myself, because XXXX and all
>I felt sorta bad for yelling like that but YYYY gotta YYYY, am I right?
>you tested XXXX, so Xx is a tertiary function, so this is gonna be hard for you

The more creed you put into this pseudoscience, the more you are defined by your type instead of the other way around. This methodology is descriptive at best, and you're turning it into a prescriptive one even if you don't realize it.

>>36018201
Nazi party would've been nothing without Goebby, before the west became degenerate a smaller man with the right message could influence an entire nation.

>>36014407

>Sweden
>Stable

Their violent/sexual crime stats are comparatively through the roof due to mass immigration.

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>>36018258
Maybe the next Goebbels is amongst us.

>>36014738
But i fuckin hate sjws, I'm a libertarian-conservative. What do?

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>36014730
One here I guess

Can you feel this?
>Comprising just 4% of the population, the risk of feeling misunderstood is unfortunately high for the INFP personality type

>>36016843
Explain /pol/ then. I mean the alt-right literally thrives off memes. Im not alt-right, but I'm conservative and tons of people in my school on the East Coast are too

>>36014730
Hey friender, I'm here and I might as well be queer, I'll never get used to it.

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>>36018465
The "alt-right" consists of newfag Redditards and they're literally just spamming 6 year old memes and shitty Facebook ones. /pol/ is nothing like it was even a few years ago.

Everyone who is E or F should die

>>36017463

Usually these posts are full of whiny numale bullshit that seems to be a put on to act in concurrence with some shitty crybaby INFP stereotype, but this is a sentiment I genuinely agree with.

Cutting people out of your life hurts worse than being stabbed but people often make it impossible to function with them in your life. Her loss.

>>36013885
>tfw dad is ESTP chad
>tfw im like him in almost every way
>tfw he broke my spirit because he's a stupid fucking ESTP and he's always right and has to get his way
>cant do shit about it because he's my dad and ill get kicked out if i tell him to go fuck himself
>after 16 years he managed to break me
>i just quietly obey him now and dont talk at all
>its simpler this way altho every now and then i have had enough and i flat out tell him to fuck off and we get in a huge fight
>having to take shit from him made me so alergic to people ordering me and giving me shit that i take it from no one else
>everyone else thinks im alpha and is scared of me (im also 6'3 and i lift and apparently look like i stab people with a knife)
>literally one look is enough to get someone to back off, its hilarious
>women generally want me and people want to hang out with me im just too inert and lack will power to do any of that
>tfw ISTP

Its a gift and a curse

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>>36018515
>after 16 years he managed to break me

>>36018257

Why do you think that im "pidgeonholing people into caricatures"? Im describing/explaining things that have already happened, and giving the other guy i was replying to a general idea of what may or may not work for him.

I did exactly zero of the things you greentexted.

>be INFP
>have a 85/100 on the MACH test
B-But I thought I was one of the good guys

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>>36013674
>INTP
>tfw you dont feel.

>>36018502
Yeah I think they're 12yo autistic spastics but what I'm saying is that not only old people are right wing

>>36017660
>just using different ways of thinking
INTP and INTJ are actually the ones with the highest IQs.

>>36018465
ahh, a first english speaker. i dont know how you feel. but let me tell you, you are autistic by birth because ,thinking ,writing ,trading ,enteracting in one language makes you more consentrated on the present, and words have more impact on you.
me, haha. i read the most fucked up things and still not get affected because it seems like a movie that have no effect on my life. incompatible is the best way to describe.

LANGUAGE IS A CAGE, learn more you will understand new things, bad or good it doesnt matter but thats a mid flight conclusion you will get from learning languages , so i d tell you learn to Free yourself from the spell of words.

>>36018611
Oh, my mistake. Should've looked at who you were replying.

>>36018559
The greentext is examples I've seen online many times, like here >>36018515
>"he's an ESTP so you know how that goes...!"
But you are the one saying that if you are an INTP you are externally disorganized, not possible to be good leaders in real life, etc correct? That is pigeonholing son. You are doing that.

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>>36018020
True. A lot of shitty typers around.

>>36013674
>Confirmation Bias: The System

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>>36013674
This sums me up pretty well, it is kind of accurate.
Any other ENFJ-A/T?

>>36018659
>makin a meme for mbti
so it has come to this, huh

>>36018688
Fuck you, we know your tricks.

>>36014530
This,
>You re such a good listener anon
>You give the best advice
>Why dont you go out more often?

>Maaaan, i dont want too relate too peoples fucking problems, shit

>>36018553
After 16 years he managed to break me, the next 5 years i've just been quietly obeying. Im 21 now.

>>36018732
Tell me them first, because I would like to know some.

>>36018659
I enjoy MBTI but a lot of different MBTI forums I used to frequent, and(to a lesser extent) 4chan threads can be pretty bad about those first two in the brain meme. I got no problem with looking at leaders through MBTI or connecting with types but when people start restricting themselves and others instead of enabling I feel like it puts the cart before the horse.

>>36018731
Shitty typer detected that just got BTFO.

>>36018047

>Hardly. Si for past experiences, combined with Ti to form logical, internal frameworks that you apply onto reality, with Ne continuously working to see more aspects of things. Even a bit of Fe tossed in there can help you consider how your frameworks when applied would affect people

Nope, you need at the very least Te or Se to be able to effectively lead without a proxy.

>Not really, no. If anything, I want to find out how the other person thinks first so I can effectively and enjoyably explain what I want, but I have no issue just throwing the thoughts out there in simplistic, easily digested formats.

Thats not an INTP thought process my dude. Be honest with yourself, you might not even be aware of it but Ti is hard to understand for others and requires additional processing to be able to be properly explained to others. What you're describing now is how an extroverted Judger converses (Te or Fe dom).


You dont understand what i mean or are refusing to understand it. See organizational structures as a kind of upside down tree structure. You have the leader, then his subordinates, who in turn have their subordinates and on and on and. Generally, like the Genghis example i gave you, the top leader has a set of men who answer him. He organizes tasks for these men to put into action. He is an active part and works together with these men. This is how most leadership structures work. An INTP leader will need another guy to do what i just described, a proxy if you will. He will tell him "i want this and this to be accomplished this month" and this guy will formulate a concrete plan for the elite of say the army to accomplish this. In most leadership structures, there is no middle man. The elite directly answers to the top leader who along with big picture goals formulates his own concrete plans.

Get it now?

>>36018766
one more trick, GO SIT AND HAVE FUN STOP ASKING QUESTIONS. ITS NOT SOMEONE IN THE INTERNET THAT WILL GIVE YOU GREAT INSIGHT. its you who gives insight. we waited too much. its your timeh to speakeh

>>36018803
>Nope, you need at the very least Te or Se to be able to effectively lead without a proxy.
>Thats not an INTP thought process my dude. Be honest with yourself, you might not even be aware of it but Ti is hard to understand for others and requires additional processing to be able to be properly explained to others. What you're describing now is how an extroverted Judger converses (Te or Fe dom).
I'm just going to refer you to >>36018257 because you have absolutely no backing for what you are saying right now.

> An INTP leader will need another guy to do what i just described, a proxy if you will. He will tell him "i want this and this to be accomplished this month" and this guy will formulate a concrete plan for the elite of say the army to accomplish this.
Or the INTP just does it himself.
>In most leadership structures, there is no middle man. The elite directly answers to the top leader who along with big picture goals formulates his own concrete plans.
Give me a modern example.

>>36018638
Oh wait I AM autistic I thought u said senior, not sensor

>>36018802
>typer
so you even have a term for that, huh

>>36018650

So according to you types cant describe or predict anything beyond the obvious? Then what use is there to this then? Generalizations and educated guesses/predictions are all ok as long as they dont attempt to nitpick every detail, which im clearly not doing. Im looking at big picture stuff and general traits.

>>36018932
>Im looking at big picture stuff and general traits.
And you are making the mistake of assuming that specific types cannot use their other functions, or that the functions are somehow dichotomous, that thinkers cannot be feelers at the same time, which is load of shit. MBTI is in no way accurate or valid enough to make the kind of generalisations you are making.

>>36018515
>tfw ENTJ
>My dad is ESTP too
>I'm basically him with a better conscience
>he's my bitch whenever I want something
>manipulate emotionally when necessary
>he goes berserk and cuts the debate off whenever I'm winning an argument with him
>still love him though, don't act like if I were in his shadow

ISTPs are betas

>>36018840

Tbh im kinda done with this. I have explained numerous times why and how these things work the way they do, if you refuse to understand it then i cant help you further. Im not going to type out entire paragraphs spelling everything out by the letter for you to understand it.

>>36019018
You are wrong. There's nothing more to it. You can explain your thoughts a thousand times, but they will still not be correct.

>>36019012

Nope, im saying that its just very hard to do so, and that most people of a certain type will never be able to consciously use functions past their tertiary.

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>>36019043
>and that most people of a certain type will never be able to consciously use functions past their tertiary.
Which is bullshit.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die

>>36019037

If that helps you sleep better at night, you can believe it. Also reconsider your type INTPs arent prone to denying reality and generally accept logically consistent arguments instead of needing a peer reviewed study to believe something.

>>36018901
I can sense your virgin butthurt from here.

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>>36019096
>Also reconsider your type INTPs arent prone to denying reality and generally accept logically consistent arguments instead of needing a peer reviewed study to believe something.
Jesus fucking Christ, mate.
>>36018257
>>36018257
>>36018257
>>36018257

>>36019075

>But when I took the test a few months later, I was an ESFP.
>knowing so little about yourself that you get polar opposite results
>typing with tests instead of functions and general understanding of the theory
>using an article which makes a point about MBTI being bullshit altogether to disprove the notion that its hard for types to use their last 5 functions
>not even adressing the argument

K den

>>36019115

So someone can be the exact opposite of his type, yet still be that type?

Jesus fucking Christ, mate

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>tfw self hating INFP
I'm too much of a piece of shit to deserve a gf anyway

>>36019155
The types are bullshit and unscientific. The "functions" are in no way bimodal as you seem to be implying. Very, very few people are strictly introverted or extroverted. People who are "thinkers" are not devoid of "feeling" and so forth. The only value in MBTI comes from the functions themselves and even they are not scientific, or accurate.

>>36019259

Well why care about your type then if MBTI is bullshit? Why even have this argument? Who cares if INTPs can or cant be leaders, its meaningless anyways right?

Sounds to me like you just got btfo and are now shifting goalposts.

>Very, very few people are strictly introverted or extroverted. People who are "thinkers" are not devoid of "feeling" and so forth

Thats not what the theory describes though. You dont even know what you're talking about.

>>36019245
do you get angry.

self hating infp too. my big ego keeps me from crushing myself. by big i mean tiny for a woman.

>>36019096
>I don't know if you're XXXX because you disagree with my arguments too much
>XXXX usually doesn't need a peer-reviewed study
PIGEON
HOLE

>>36019101
so you have spidey senses, huh

>>36019259
agree, its like "secret language" bs. only it asks you question you can answer them tottally wrong and you wouldnt be aware of it.
science catches you lying, mbti beliefs your lying.

>>36019355

See>>36019155

You have no idea what you're talking about. According to your frame of reference, all typing is pidgeonholing

Also, thats not what i said. Agreeing or disagreeing with me doesnt matter, but simply rejecting logical frameworks because you dont like them isnt what a Ti user does.

Btw, if you're not comfortable with this type of thinking of generalizing and classifying people into different types them MBTI isnt for you, as thats what MBTI is about.

>>36019413
I don't put a whole lot of credence into it because if you take it to its logical conclusions you become someone such as yourself who thinks in 16 little baskets that the world fits into. I'm showing you why you shouldn't take it seriously either. It's fun but it's pseudoscience at best

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>>36019348
>Well why care about your type then if MBTI is bullshit?
To circlejerk with anons.
>Why even have this argument?
Because you are spouting bullshit and claiming it as fact.
>Who cares if INTPs can or cant be leaders, its meaningless anyways right?
I care, as I said above, about you spouting bullshit. Stop trying to project your assumptions onto me.
>Sounds to me like you just got btfo and are now shifting goalposts.
What you think things sound to you has no effect on reality. Please understand this.
>Thats not what the theory describes though. You dont even know what you're talking about.
That's exactly how it works. It tries to enforce dichotomy onto things where there is none. Two people could be very similiar in reality, but because they're both around the middle of two different types, they get typed differently and are thus supposedly entirely different. MBTI functions on a bimodal assumption, that people's functions are either, or, but there is absolutely no evidence for there being "extroverted" or "introverted" functions, or even that they are arranged in a specific order as the image in >>36013674 implies.
The ONE value in this would be some of the tests themselves, that show the functions as percentages, or sliders to both direction, which can give you some slight, unreliable implication of how you process information. See >>36018688 for example.
Look at those percentages. See how you've got a number on both sides? How none of the functions are strictly e or i?

>>36019486

Except i dont think that way. We're discussing MBTI now, and when im doing that i like to work with the framework rather than reject it because i dont agree with it. If you dont agree with the framework then dont argue within it. You cant both argue about MBTI and reject the theory altogether, at least not in any meaningful way.

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>>36019525
>You cant both argue about MBTI and reject the theory altogether, at least not in any meaningful way.
>Projection and baseless assumptions - the post

Y'all either need to keep this shit off advice or shit uo the threads so they die out. Actually same with here. They atrract the worst people.

>>36018688
Why are Dutch people all such fucking normies
t. intp Dutch guy

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Daily reminder that INTJs invented IQ and any claim that you are smart because you have high IQ are meaningless. It is the same as claiming someone is more or less INTJ than you.

INTJs ETERNALLY BTFO

>>36018257

I can def relate to this. I catch myself thinking about this stuff a lot of the time, lately. It was fun for a while, but now it just bothers me that I keep wondering "am I really this type?" and sort of subconsciously conform to it. As if I wasn't overthinking my behaviour, thoughts and emotions enough already.

Not to say it's been completely detrimental. It's helped me find like-minded people to share feels with. It's a comfort to know you're not alone in your struggles. But sort of like everything else I do I feel like I've taken it so far I can't enjoy it anymore.

>>36019589
I am INTP. i choose ($) to be the symbole of LOVE.

Mark gave to Anna ($), Anna feels loved by Mark

Is there an INTP roadmap to getting shit done with your life?

>>36016370
I hate these kinds of questions.

>With regards to values, there is no absolute truth. Whatever people's values are, that is true for them. Y/N

Universally, there probably is no truth. However, some values are demonstrably better at producing successful societies with happier, healthier citizens. Ultimately though, such a preference is still making a value judgement. How should I answer?

>>36019515

>Because you are spouting bullshit and claiming it as fact
>i dont like it so its not true!

Shiggy

>I care, as I said above, about you spouting bullshit. Stop trying to project your assumptions onto me.
>its meaningless and doesnt matter, yet it still apparently matters

Try not to contradicting yourself bro

>What you think things sound to you has no effect on reality. Please understand this.

I'll rephrase it for you. You got btfo and are now shifting goalposts. Please understand that nitpicking irrelevant details and diverting from the original point doesnt un-btfo you anon.

>That's exactly how it works. It tries to enforce dichotomy onto things where there is none.
>i dont understand mbti starterkit.jpg

Thats not what its about, its about the functions. Everyone has introverted and extroverted functions, everyone has thinking and feeling functions, everyone has sensing and intuitive functions. Different people just use them with different frequency and proficiency.

>>36019667
Yes, take a trust point.

>>36019551

>if i just say "p-projection!" i'll be right!

You indeed cant. You cant say "this theory and its various components are wrong and meaningless, but let me use the same theory that i just declared to be wrong altogether to discuss what is more or less wrong in a certain situation".

You cant drive a car to a destination while also saying that the same car isnt capable of driving/isnt operational. Either it isnt operational or you wont be driving it.

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>>36019672
>Shiggy
You making a claim does not make it true, anon. Feel free to find evidence for your MBTI delusions.
>Try not to contradicting yourself bro
Stop strawmanning, you only make yourself look like a fool.
>I'll rephrase it for you. You got btfo and are now shifting goalposts. Please understand that nitpicking irrelevant details and diverting from the original point doesnt un-btfo you anon.
>I say so, so it is so
Well aren't you just a charming, immature, little, irrational fuckwit. It's like I'm talking to a woman here.
>Everyone has introverted and extroverted functions
There is no evidence for this. The functions are not divided into "introverted" or "extroverted", or at least there is no actual evidence to support the claim.
>Different people just use them with different frequency and proficiency.
Yes, different people think differently, but not according to the MBTI's 16 pigeonholes and the inaccurate functions that do not match reality. Especially not to the point of the delusional assumptions of type leadership, with blatant claims of "INTP can't do this and that", "ENTJ" can do these and those".

>>36019686
What's a trust point? I thought the quiz is gauging proclivity to feeling or thinking?

>>36019662
are you just as scatterbrained as i am?

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>>36019770

>You making a claim does not make it true, anon. Feel free to find evidence for your MBTI delusions.
>being this much in denial

Did i hurt your feefees anon?

>Stop strawmanning, you only make yourself look like a fool.

Let me go down the list for you

>strawman
>projection
>fallacy
>ad hominem
>i am very smart

You dont need to repeat it multiple times anymore now. See i am a cool guy, you dont need to be so mad at me.

>Well aren't you just a charming,

Thats true

>immature, little, irrational fuckwit

So you're saying we're similar after all?

>It's like I'm talking to a woman here.

Nice projection there anon, not everyone wants to be a girl like you do

>There is no evidence for this. The functions are not divided into "introverted" or "extroverted", or at least there is no actual evidence to support the claim.

t. Retard

Pic related

>Yes, different people think differently, but not according to the MBTI's 16 pigeonholes and the inaccurate functions that do not match reality. Especially not to the point of the delusional assumptions of type leadership, with blatant claims of "INTP can't do this and that", "ENTJ" can do these and those".
>i have no idea what im talking about and want to make myself look even more retarded

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>>36019984
>Pic related
A fucking sourceless chart with no statistics or studies is your evidence? Ahh, man. You really are stupid.

I'm going to stop this joke of a discussion here, since it's clearly not going anywhere and you aren't willing (or capable) to even attempt any rational, intelligent argumentation. Consider this a win for yourself if you'd like.

>>36019877
I have plans but I never follow through on them and I get distracted really easily

>>36020039

>i literally cant stop getting more retarded by the second

Just google "cognitive functions" you retard. This is what MBTI is about, not the 4 letter dichotomies.

http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/Cognitive-Functions/

Here you go

>to even attempt any rational, intelligent argumentation.

I have been trying to reason with you but you seem to be literally incapable of any semblance of logical thought.

>>36019350
yeah i do but rarely show it so its more like frustration,

>>36013674
>ENTP MASTER RACE
https://www.youtu.be/t9eybY9qFfY

>>36016057
I know that feel bro, I like to collect girls as well. Currently manipulating 3 at the same time to have sex with me, feels good mane, on kissing and touching terms with one, boob and vag feeling and kissing with another, last one is tough but really wants the D as well.
> Inb4 Chad looks
No Chad looks, just tactical autism and 6d social chess.

>>36017803
It's funny, I'm INTJ and Ni seems like the one that's obviously the best, and none of the others make sense to me. I bet this is the same for each category, yes?

>>36020090
Same here. I think part of the trick is to leave your room if you can. Being in a different environment than the one where you spend all your time on your computer can help you focus on other things.

>tfw optimistic persona but crippling anxiety

I don't even know if I'm I or E

>>36020976
I'm an INFP and I question the usefulness of Fi every day.

>>36021635
>Fi
Could you please elaborate?

>>36021742
>>36017803 excluded 4 other functions, lemme post the rest. Worth noting that INFP are FI dom and Ne aux I guess
>Se
Observant, outgoing in a physical way, always looking for new sensory info, express themselves through physicality, what they see, do, hear etc. In the moment and thrill-seeking. Enterprising on new opportunities. (SPs)
>Si
Retention, creates and relies upon a mental archive of facts they know. Memorizes and catalogs in order to draw upon their archive to later solve problems. Routine and procedure based.(SJs)
>Fi
Authenticity, individualistic, ones own core values, opinions, beliefs, ideals etc. taking priority in that person's life and existing almost independently of the outside world. Generally If a person who has dom/aux Fi flip-flops in what they say or do it's a completely genuine change of heart, guilt can come from this as it's not always a conscious change. Will use their own selves to relate to a person or the world, strong empathy can come as a result. (FPs)
>Fe
Social, emotion and feelings that are more directed to the world at large, the people around them and what will work best for -them-. Often open emotionally, can stress norms and polite behavior. The best Fe users will make you feel warm, the worst will turn everyone against you. Will use the world/their culture/whatever to relate to themselves and other people. (FJs)

I have a theory that if you constantly absorb art (movies, music (actually listening), literature) you will not be depressed. Also if you force yourself to go out and do stuff, even if you don't want to.

t. INFP with BPD, had severe depression couple years back

>>36022761
not completely cured from depression, but it alleviates the symptoms

>>36020039
Not him, but you're making a fool of yourself you utter mong. You can't hope to assume the intellectual high ground when you don't understand the topic.

MBTI is all about functions.

>>36020125
Just want to reaffirm that you're right. I don't know how so many people still haven't heard of the functions.

Daily reminder that if you don't understand cognitive functions you don't belong in this thread.

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>>36020848
Autism like this?

>tfw INTP but instead of using your time to pursue your intellectual interests you just play video games and watch anime and shitpost on 4chan so you're not only shit at physical activity and socializing but you're also a brainlet
>you're also not even that good at video games

Is God playing some kind of joke on me?

>>36023040
God fucking damn, this is next level autism

>>36019555
Because Dutch are GOAT
>nice digits

Are there any links between certain types and ADHD diagnoses?

>>36014723
xNTx anti-cuck coalition when?

>>36023040
>he made a spreadsheet of his autism

INTJ detected.

>>36014790
>>36014806
I know you two don't give a fuck about this thread and everyones who posted here

Are INFJs, like INTJs, shy and emotionless to people they don't know or do they pretend to be normies?

>>36016122
I'm late to the party but here I am

>>36023667
I'm just like you, anon.

I'm failing the fuck out of math courses.

>>36019589
Tbf Ti+Ne is amazing at all of these things to, probably why I have a very high IQ being an ENTP

>>36019589
13: b
17: D
19: I spotted 3 different patterns in this question, none of them gave a possible answer despite working them working for the first part of the pattern, wtf
6: Racecar

>>36019589
>he can't easily solve any of those
You're a literal brainlet. How do you even survive in real life?

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>>36027296
what's the answer to question 19

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>>36027332
>>36027296
COME ON SMARTIE PAINTS, TELL ME OR YOU'RE LYING! AND EXPLAIN HOW AS WELL!
>>36027266
oh yeah, I forgot to add, 19 is probably 174 or 214, I'm going to go with 174 personally

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>>36017849

INFP

https://youtu.be/FpkPuE3y9UU

>>36027394
The differences between the nurmbers are
07
11
17
27
41
The right number is always 1 or 7, so we can choose between 67 or 107

107 is unlikely seeing as the numbers in the given row are never doubles of the previous one

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>>36027266

Did you know racecar is a palindrome?

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>>36028626
welp I'm dumb