this is a post which Really makes you think.

>bernie would've made america a neet free education free healthcare autismbux paradise
>trumpcucks had to fuck it all up

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>>35219820
>Following party politics
>Not realising both are shit in their own ways
>Not being socially Conservative and economically Authoritarian
>Not being moral

>>35219820
but you SHOULD have the right to a job, meal and house.

>>35219820
>Am I right?
If you're going to do the job you're given, then yes. Not a lot of Really thinking

>>35219905
Not if you're a nigger.

>>35219905
The "right" to those things? That's fucking bullshit.

If somebody's a lazy twat and shows up to work late constantly, does no work, and is constantly hungover, what "right" do they have to work anywhere? That's horseshit.

>>35219905
No man thats like using cheats in a video game in the short term its fun but in 20 minutes your gonna give up becuse there was no true stuggle to earn what you want.

>>35219999
They have a right. It's up to oneself to exercise it properly. Otherwise, you forfeit that right.

>>35219872
>implying trumpcucks fucked it up
It was all Hillary's fault. If bernie had been up against Trump he would've won by a landslide

>>35219872
>shillery fucked it up
Blame the right person.

>>35219999
>literally missing his point
He's comparing to healthcare in the sense that if you want a job you should be able to get one, while right now that's not the case since the economy is shit.

>>35220011
it would be one hell of a struggle to get a socialist system going. that said i disagree.
the pain of hunger because you cant get a job to buy food is greater than the pain of not struggling to get it.

>>35220047
They have the right to seek a job and prove themselves, they have no such right to a job itself.

>>35220088
>literally missing his point, then accusing him of missing somebody's point

>>35220094
they have the right to prove themselves, thats true. many people dont get even a chance to do that,
or a job even if they try their hardest.

>>35220060

Trump would have turned the whole country besides cali and NY red if he were up against Berncuck

Bernout even got destroyed by el rato in a debate

>>35219820
You are not entitled to health care.
You are not entitled to a job.
You are not entitled to a meal.
You are not entitled to housing.
Get off your ass and stop being a whiny retarded faggot.

>>35219905
That's not a right. It's something that takes time and effort to earn. Your a goddanm retard if you think the world is really a place that will bend over backwards to accommodate your "right".

>>35219905
A right to a job is a little harder to justify than the other two, but they're still all not rights, a privately owned full size house and nice large meals are rewards to be earned by the smartest and most enterprising in a capitalistic society.

>>35220155
>get off your ass

see, this is the prime flaw in "bootstraps" logic. you think that people are homeless/sick/hungry because they are lazy.
Your moral compass is skewed.

>>35220088
That's not what a right is. A right is something that it is morally imperative not to infringe, or to give to people in a society, not the ability to go out and get a job.

>>35220209
>your morals are wrong
>but to demand free shit without working for it is morally right
Literally nigger mentality.

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>>35219820
>"H-he can still w-win! Feel the B-bern!"

>>35220224
>A right is something that it is morally imperative not to infringe, or to give to people in a society
you mean like the right to move freely unless you forfeit it by committing a crime? this is the same. get a job unless you forfeit it by, for example, "showing up to work late, doing no work and being constantly hungover".

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I SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO A GF

>>35220245
>demand free shit without working for it

Your morals are almost objectively wrong. You just think wrong. Why do you think poor people who need social assistance are draining your shekels? you realize corporations and the extraordinarily wealthy cost more for the government to look after than poor people, don't you?

>>35220011

So we should all just commit suicide if publicly beneficial AI and automation eliminate the need for human labor? Because what's the point in living if you can't tell yourself a comforting story about how you earned it. Makes total sense.

>>35219820
Before Obama are people were denied healthcare for acne. You could also be denied health insurance because you work as a cop. Really only Chads with perfect health could get healthcare because they were the people who wouldn't use it

>>35220290
>free shit
>decent quality
Choose one.

>>35220224
Healthcare isn't a right by that definition either, he's making a comparison to bernies statements though

>>35220291
>Your morals are almost objectively wrong. You just think wrong.
>because i say so.
No. You are just another retarded nigger or millenial who only wants free shit from the state, fuck off you retarded commie.

>you realize corporations and the extraordinarily wealthy cost more for the government to look after than poor people, don't you?
>source = my ass
Also those corporations and wealthy people create jobs and pay taxes, poor people do not.

>>35219820
>college drop-outs discussing the economics behind health care
democracy was a mistake

>>35219999
>moral assumptions

its why every reply in this thread shitting on the concept will be wrong

"lazy" is loaded word used by those who think they are superior at those they aim at, usually because they feel entitled to the product of the "lazy" persons labor

you and your fucking morals are horseshit

>>35220355
So when Wendy's installed kiosks to get rid of cashiers they were creating jobs? Automating services to eliminate humans is creating jobs?

>>35219820
Boomers had a right to a job, a meal and housing. They felt the world owed them that, purely for existing.

Then they decided to deny that to their kids.

What the fuck are libertarian wagecucks doing here? This is a pro-welfare state board.

>>35220383
even discussions like these are good, they bring everyone closer to the truth

>>35220291
>muh evil corporations
just get the government to stop taxing businesses and the economy and you don't have any reason to come up with your imaginary problem anymore. no one should have any responsibility over poor people because poverty is created by a government that regulates the economy with the pretext of social justice.

>>35219820
These fucking rightwing kike parasites.

>FREE COLLEGE!? But who will pay for it!??!?!
>Now let's have this totally extraneous double-digit billion dollar military expenditure hike to inure to our corrupt MIC friends.

>>35220404
Now ask yourself why they installed those machines in the first place.
Retail employees who did literally nothing other than selling goods, which requires ZERO qualification, demanded $15/h, which is not economically reasonable.
Wendy's the installed those machines as response and i totally agree with Wendy's reaction. Paying $15/h for a job that requires no qualification at all is just stupid.
This is shit that happens if you go and demand free shit you neither are entitled to nor deserve.
Get fucked.

>>35219820
But those are basic rights on any civilized country...
Is that sarcasm?

>>35220463
t. ancrap

>>35219876
>Rightwing
>Moral
You only get one. The right is the wing of nihilism.

>>35220504
correction: libertarian.
the government has nothing to do with the economy

>>35220502
america is bizarro world

western european welfare states are paradise

>>35220486
>defense is wrong
>but forcing the tax payer to pay for women studies, liberal arts and indoctrination is right
The parasite is you.

>>35219820
There is a difference.

You can take personal responsibility for your education, for finding and keeping a job (and working your way up to a career), for what you eat, and for where you live.

You have a choice of where to work, where to live, and what to eat. You can live and eat cheaply or richly, at your option.

What you have ZERO choice in is whether you get cancer or heart disease or a stroke... and so on.* Let alone getting hit by a car or some other accident.**

Yet a single serious disease or accident almost certainly will bankrupt the average American. They won't be able to afford the bills, SO THEY WON'T PAY THEM. And society bears the cost ANYWAY, but now their life is doubly ruined. What good does that do anyone?

*Obviously you can reduce your risks of illness by your own choices. You can't eliminate them completely, which is my point. Even Health McMountainClimber can still get cancer.

**But hurr hurr I can sue them and they or their insurance will pay. True, but by no means guaranteed. Again, not your choice whether they have money or insurance.

And by the way, I stipulate that private insurance IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS SOCIALISM anyhow, except it's run for profit. An insurance payout is by definition coming 99.9999% from the pockets of people that weren't involved.

I voted Libertarian in the last election. I happen to disagree with them on some things, though.

>>35220524
it's a fact that the govt spends more on bailouts and subsidies for big corporations than on welfare

it's not about 'big govt' or 'small govt', it's about who they serve

>>35219820

>Let's continue spending more on healthcare than every other developed country because lel free market

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>>35220524
>defense
America doesn't have "defense". It only has offense.

>>35220155
Damn, never realized I wanted to die poor and unhealthy until this woke as fuck anon dropped his redpill on me. Now I'll go out there and just get more money, thank bro :)

>>35220572
The best defense is a good offense.

>>35220524
>defense
o i am laffin

nice strawman btw, i sure do love memes

>>35220580
Spotted the nu male megacuck

>>35220580
That's why America's imploding, huh? But hey, the rich have never done better!

>>35220575
Your poverty is not my problem. Blame it on your parents and on the government that keeps services unafordable by regulating the economy.

>>35220355
>>35220463
The american logic... It hurts to read.
You truly that without government and regulations, world would be a capitalist paradise with jobs and resources for everyone? And that anyone who is poor is to blame for their circumstances?
You are as deluded as a hardcore Marxist, but on the other end of the spectrum. The american propaganda of economic liberalism fucked your brain beyond repair.

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Keep your fucking politics out of /r9k/. How hard is that?

This is now a butthole thread.

>>35220617
The market regulates itself. Poverty would be much lower.

>>35220524
> Academia is either sociology or arts
I see. We've been talking to a dumb person and we didn't even know it.

>>35220559
>it's a fact that the govt spends more on bailouts and subsidies for big corporations than on welfare
First, a fact requires a source, so you better provide one.
Secons, i do not condone bailouts and subsidies for big corporations. If a corporation fucks up or can't compete, it's the corporations problem.

>>35220572
Okay, then how about we disband all military and see what happens, shall we?

>>35220590
>nice strawman btw
Nice autism btw.

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>>35220640
I really wouldn't mind if every politics thread on /r9k/ turned into a butthole thread.

>>35220511
It physically pains me that people this dumb exist

>>35220643
1929 send their regards

>>35220640
your logic is completely broken if you dont understand should also keep all your porn out of /r9k/
go back to /b/ you shitposter

>>35220613
I didn't say it is, but I'm glad Americans can admit they lack empathy. Compared to actual, developed countries, America is a shithole with shit people.

>>35220648
America already spends as much on military as nearly the rest of the planet combined. The LAST thing we need is to waste more tax dollars on that fucking shit. And it's not what the citizens want to begin with. It's what MILITARY CONTRACTORS WANT.

>>35220643
How exactly do you think government sponsor poverty? You think that without taxes to pay, the bourgeoisie would redistribute all the extra wealth among peoples?

>>35220671
You mean as you? Yeah me too. Anyone who spews the sort of bullshit that's so prevalent among white middle class 20 year old boys should be shot in the face. You subhumans inhale propaganda like oxygen.

>>35220707

Big money NPR shill detected.

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>>35220648
>Okay, then how about we disband all military and see what happens, shall we?
>Nice autism btw.
Damn son you're on a fallacy spree.

>>35220575
Your poverty, your problem. You are not entitled to my property.

>>35220617
>american
Then good that i'm european.
>You truly that without government and regulations, world would be a capitalist paradise with jobs and resources for everyone?
No and i neither said nor implied this, straw mans won't help your cause.
>And that anyone who is poor is to blame for their circumstances?
Poor people who go around and demand free shit are. They are political niggers, instead of improving their situation they beg for free goodies, just fuck off man.

Maybe when you grow up you will understand that nice things require work and don't come for free.

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>>35220693
Oh, my bad. Only I don't start porn threads. But you start politics threads. Maybe we can agree that I'll just keep my butthole posting to this thread and you won't start another politics thread. OK?

>>35220727
>Big money NPR
Lol

>>35220730
It's literally the only way the right can argue because all they do is lie in order to steal money from taxpayers.

>>35220643
the market eats humans and shits cancer

your slavish devotion to a concept that is almost religious in its incorrectness is logically repugnant

>>35220712
>How exactly do you think government sponsor poverty?
By keep competition at bay with bureaucracy and taxes.
>You think that without taxes to pay, the bourgeoisie would redistribute all the extra wealth among peoples?
>bourgeoisie
kek another /leftypol/ raid?
Wealth doesn't need to be redistributed because the economy is not a zero-sum game and more wealth can be created.

>>35220645
>t. retarded autist
Do you want to finance all, or only certain fields like STEM? Specify instead of just saying hurr muh free college feel the bern durr you retarded cunt.

>>35220739
>Your poverty, your problem. You are not entitled to my property.
Do you have the same mindset with all taxation?
>Whoa my government is trying to tax me? You can't do that, this is *my* stuff!

>>35220143
People vote on charisma and like-ability. You really believe more people turned out for Hilary then they would have for Bernie?

>>35220604
Muh trickle down economics, anon.

Without the mega-rich, we wouldn't all have smartphones.

>>35220755
>the market eats humans and shits cancer
wtf???

>>35220761

>wealth can be created

Good idea, let's just magic up some wealth for everyone.

As a human bean I would say that people in society should demand to be provided with a
>job
>health care
>housing

But as a robot with only a slim chance of gf, I think this would lead to girls valuing me even less cause I cannot even be a valued for what my earning potential.

>>35220707
Military spending is important, the problem is that the US wanted to play world police and the NATO members didn't contribute enough.

>>35220792
Smartphones are shit. I want dead billionaires and white trash instead.

>>35220742
I dont defend the politics. I am not the guy who started the thread. I just say that the both things should be somewhere else. Please?

>>35220730
>doesn't have any arguments
>muh fallacies
Nice autism you retarded faggot.

>>35220748
>right are stealing money from the taxpayers
>but commies with their free shit policies are not
Fuck off you retarded leech.

>>35220797
Yes. Let's have a free market for businesses of all kinds to compete so they get their prices lower and affordable by the majority of the population because that's how you get most profit. We don't need gorvernment to provide us with anything rather than the military and laws because there will always be people willing to profit in all areas.

>>35220772
Anything beyond basic taxation for basic state tasks is theft.

>>35220209
Not him but if they're not lazy then they're stupid. How many people do you see on foodstamps with an iPhone or a car made in the past 5 years? The majority of people don't even have $1000 saved up.

>>35220617
Americans didn't come up with the concept of captialism, retard.

>>35220805
It's not even about playing world police. It's just a cynical money-making racket for the MIC at this point. The richest zip code in America is now the area in D.C. where all the retired MIC parasites live. America has become a direct kleptocracy with the republicans doing the most shilling for it and the democrats becoming republicans. Literally every single argument repugnicunts level at democrats THEY DO themselves.

>>35220830
You mean American citizens overwhelmingly voting for better healthcare but not the military is being "parasites"? Funny how the military is never parasitic to low-IQ right wing trailer shit.

>>35220851

>Anything thing beyond my arbitrary definition is bad

>>35219999
What if you never have a chance to work in the first place even though your work ethic is great?

Real unemployment in US is 10% after all.

>>35220880
Bernie says we should raise minimum wage so you'd have an even harder time getting a starting job.

>>35220867
>You mean American citizens overwhelmingly voting for better healthcare but not the military is being "parasites"? Funny how the military is never parasitic to low-IQ right wing trailer shit.
Because a unified military power is needed to have a nation existing while better healthcare is something that the market itself can provide much better than the government if it doesn't intervene with taxes and regulations.

>>35219820
No one has a right to healthcare but taxpayers still end up paying for people lacking coverage unless we decide that we should just allow American citizens to die in our country because they don't have healthcare. If not then we refuse to support them until a medical catastrophe happens which ends up costing a lot more. Healthcare reform though really needs to focus on getting people preventative care.

I think if society doesn't provide you with a job, then society has no right to demand that you follow the law and be a good citizen.

If people don't get a chance in life, I don't blame them for turning into criminals.

That's just self-interest at work.

>>35220867
>muh kleptocracy because i don't receive enough free shit
Typical nigger mentality.

>You mean American citizens overwhelmingly voting for better healthcare but not the military is being "parasites"? Funny how the military is never parasitic to low-IQ right wing trailer shit.
>overwhelmingly voting for better healthcare
>#feelthebern BTFO
>killary BTFO
>majority
Top tier autism, faggot. Military is defense you retarded cunt, it is mandatory for a strong state while those retarded gender studies courses and health care for obese landwhales are not.

>>35219820
Everyone has a right to roads.

>>35220911

>while better healthcare is something that the market itself can provide much better than the government

Literally no place on earth has a market based healthcare system.

The US has the most market like healthcare system and it sucks ass.

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>>35220829
OK, I promise I won't post buttholes outside of politics threads.

>>35220879
>your opinion is bad because i don't like it
>>>/b/

>>35220867
Defense spending isn't bad, but its not good either. Its costly but it has created the internet, GPS, etc. Also, military bases create a lot business and have massive towns that form around them with private businesses that rely upon the soldiers living on the base

>>35219820
>ITT people who don't understand having a right implies having a responsibility or obligation

>>35220953
>Literally no place on earth has a market based healthcare system.
>The US has the most market like healthcare system and it sucks ass.
If you're still stealing tax money in all other forms while still taxing healthcare businesses keeping new entrants away from the market there is no way that people will be able to afford the private care of their choosing. Every service that is free to compete free from the hands of the state will be better than the state counterpart and that's only logical because the state doesn't have anyone to compete against and no driving force for improvement besides empty promises of politicians.

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The people who support Bernie Sanders are the biggest idiots alive. Just doing some basic math shows you how implausible all of his ideas are which is why Ted Cruz destroyed him on television.

>>35220986

The responsibility/obligation is to be a good citizen who follows the law and respects property rights.

>>35220830
>Nice autism you retarded faggot.
Wow, pretty rude. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're probably underage because 3 posts in a row and all you've done is throw insults and strawmans without every actually defending your point on why the US needs to have such massive amounts of money put into the military. There's nothing wrong with having a standing military and keeping it well funded, but USA neglects it's own citizens in favor of keeping the military industrial complex well run (and hint: Citizens aren't the ones profiting). I'm not sure if I can have a discussion with such a quick tempered person who only wants to insult but never discuss anything, so I'll just begin the wonderful journey for you
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+money+does+the+US+spend+on+military

>>35220867
I hate the word 'cucked' but a lot of right wingers are cucked. They'd rather sacrifice social programs and infrastructure for over spending on the military. In my experience there's really not much you can say to them, apparently wanting to be on par with other developed nations makes you a parasite.

>>35219820
>the government should give me everything i need to live
>its my human right to be provided for 100% without doing anything in return
>i want to live in dilapidated government issued housing, with government payed healthcare, food, and a universal basic income

ya fuck off you stupid communist.

>>35220998

Lol.

I'll take the fully government managed NHS over any other European system other than maybe the French one. I've experienced quite a few and in my experience the more privatised it is the more expensive it is and the more shitty it is.

>>35219820
If sorry owes me nothing I owe society nothing either. The entire idea of a society is that we owe each other things. Would like it if the police could refuse to solve murders or if doctors could give you sugar pills?

>he thinks the free market works

>>35221087
>I've experienced quite a few and in my experience the more privatised it is the more expensive it is and the more shitty it is.
That's only because there are taxes being forcefully reverted into the NHS when private healthcare could be improving their services with them otherwise and new entrants would compete with those if there was no bureaucracy.

>>35221064
>government gives you a job
>not contributing
???

>>35221121
>communism was proven time and again to not work he still thinks it works

>following: muh real communism meme

>>35221044
>defending your point on why the US needs to have such massive amounts of money put into the military
>nothing wrong with having a standing military and keeping it well funded
You just answered your own question and i did in fact tell you that military is important. Compare US military to other militaries, most EU military is a bad joke.

>USA neglects it's own citizens
So do socialist european countries with a welfare state, free healthcare and free college.
Difference is, in the US the taxpayer isn't being blend dry to finance some lazy leeches.

>>35221121
>>35221149
>thinking the ideal is always some extreme side of any dimension of a spectrum and not some number of points that balances the best of all potential perspectives

>>35219820

He's right. Until it becomes legal to kill yourself, you should have a right to all those things. If the law says you can't kill yourself then they should at least take care of its citizens.

>>35221194
Not him, but if you're not talking about capitalism or communism then what are you talking about? Socialism? Venezuela is proof that doesn't work. European style "socialism"? That's capitalism.

>>35221122

And? In other countries they have private insurance companies and private hospitals and you are forced to sign-up to one with an insurer (similar to Obamacare) and guess what? It sucks ass.

The NHS runs much better and when I lived in the UK is was taxed much less overall than in the other countries.

It's better and cheaper.

>>35221130
ya and if communism teaches you anything its that worker rights are a shit.

in capitalism all work is private and them industries have to maintain a fare share of workers rights to operate legally and without strict financial punishments.

capitalism keeps things competivie, up to date, fair, and progressing where communism grinds everything to an absolute hault.

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>>35219820
>wake up
>I'm not American
>I can afford to go to school and have free healthcare

feels good man.

and my deepest apologies to all American anons for accidentally being born in the wrong country. Hopefuly people learn their lesson after Trump's memery and America can become a proper first world country

>>35220739
>Your poverty, your problem. You are not entitled to my property.
Your poverty is a direct result of others poverty. You think you earned it? No, you just were part of the system that cheated those in the part of the system who were going to be cheated. It's time to share anon.

>>35221237
>you are forced to sign-up to one with an insurer
So you agree with me. This is a problem.

>>35221232
its not something you can encapsulate in a quip on a a danish emu auction, you're still not getting that progressivism is solutions and not labels

>>35221238
Except that it's a race to see who can maximize their profits by cutting labor costs and moving to cheaper countries with less regulations.

>>35221239
>pays millions of $$$ in his lifetime so the lazy shits can keep leaching off decent people
>free
cuck.

>>35219820
You only have a right to die.

>>35221245
>Your poverty is a direct result of others poverty.
No. It's a direct result of government keeping the market at bay. The economy is not a zero-sum game and more wealth can be created.

>>35221239
>a fucking leaf
Opinion discarded.

>>35219820

>Im entitled to everything!!!!

Fucking liberals

>>35221287
People are poor because they are stupid. Natural selection, boys.

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>>35221279
>>35221162

>the US the taxpayer isn't being blend dry to finance some lazy leeches.

>pays millions of $$$ in his lifetime so the lazy shits can keep leaching off decent people

cuck a doodle doo :^)

>>35221269
>not labels
>"progressivism"
You also used a bunch of words to say nothing. Again, what "solution" is there besides capitalism? As I said, even "socialist" economies in Europe are ALL fundamentally capitalist. The one contemporary nation that tried a truly socialist economy is collapsing just like communist countries.

>>35219820
The Constitution says I have a right to own a gun. Why stop there? Don't I have a right to use my gun? A right to threaten people with it? A right to kill people with it?

Fuck this dude, his ass backwards concept of "how far will it go" can be applied to any rights a person has.

>>35221162
>Compare US military to other militaries, most EU military is a bad joke.
European countries, bar a few that border Russia, don't really need an amazing military, because they're not constantly trying to start shit (well, at least not anymore). The US doesn't have to be world police, you know. It's world police because it benefits certain people and corporations.

>So do socialist european countries with a welfare state, free healthcare and free college
Can you actually tell me how they neglect their citizens? If you say immigrants, I'm going to actually laugh.
>In the US the taxpayer isn't being blend dry to finance some lazy leeches.
Is every poor person to you lazy? Poor people often work more than middle class or rich people, because they have to. I find it a bit weird you look down on social programs and poor people so much when you were probably born into a middle class home and are most likely still on mommy or daddy's health care plan

>>35221306
People are poor because they accept the government regulating the market with the lies of social justice when actually the market would be able to naturally provide cheap services for most people.

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>>35221316
Oh and we can't forget the biggest tax leeches of them all

>>35221343
>naturally provide cheap services for most people

While also providing even cheaper wages!

>>35221366
So what? If you have more consumering power with a lower wage does it even matter?

>>35221394
That's a big "if"

>>35221316
>>35221346
>my sourceless and obviously biased infograph agrees with me so you are wrong

>>35221327

Wrong, 2nd amendment says that government shall not infringe on your right to own a firearm, not that you have a right to a gun. Those are two entirely different concepts. Are you arguing that the government has to give every citizen a state mandated gun? No, it's that the government can't restrict your access to them.

This is why women, non-whites, and children shouldn't discuss politics. It's always "give me give me."

>>35221411
It's a quite obvious if. The market is driven by profit and if all niches are free from the governments hands then all those niches will be filled by businesses competing for profit. If all the businesses provide the best service possible the only way to compete is lowering prices and widespreading the accessibility of the service for more people.

Slippery slope fallacy.

We can discuss those things separately, but Healthcare is a given; sick - help. It's a right, and only monsters disagree.

>>35221510
Only monsters force people to pay for other people's health issues and bad decissions.

>>35221510
Only monsters steal from people to sustain failed services.

>>35221510
>Slippery slope fallacy.
>only monsters disagree.
Nice.

>>35221510

Well that's a false narrative. If you're sick, you get help. They don't let people die on the streets. You're just going to have to pay for it.

>but why should I pay for the stuff I use???? It's not fair!!!

>>35221433
>sourceless

the sources are in the pictures senpai

>>35221524
>>35221530
kek you're fast dude

>socialism doesn't magically fix a third world country
>this means it can't work in developed places

>>35221524
>>35221530
>>35221536
>>35221537
>ultratriggered apologists for big pharma letting people die for profit
good goyim

>>35221549
>30 seconds between posts
newfags out

>>35221563
>places were developed because of capitalism
>lets change to a system that was already proven wrong in a smaller scale

>>35221563
>socialism barely works in a rich country with a homogeneous, small population with restrictive immigration in a tiny land area
>hey, let's take what's barely working there and apply it to a country ten times the population size, 30 times or more the land mass, widely multicultural, and with lax immigration

>>35219820
Well on one hand he has "Freedom" in his twitter handle so I disagree with him that must mean I'm some sort of Stalinist!

On the other hand, virtually every first world country on the planet has universal health care, so that means it can't possible work in the USA!

>>35221510
but muh lines which also happen under a privatized system but where wallet is prioritized over severity of affliction

>>35221605
>>35221611
kek i won this round of "who punches the commie first"

>>35221620
no we can't have healthcare because that means I'd have to share it with NIGGERS.

>>35221633
>opposes public healthcare
>is a racist
why are leftists so blatantly dishonest?

>>35221569
>ultratriggered apologists for big pharma letting people die for profit
implying that big pharma is not regulated by the government

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yeah, free health care, free jobs, free weed, just donate another $20 to my campaign.

that's it, yeah, free pussy too, free everything, why even bother with money. yeah, don't be stingy now, another $40 will do.

>>35221658
>leftists

Neither of those things are leftist

>>35221633
So what? You're not sharing needles

>>35220209
It's just people indulging in their just world fallacy. Oh, their life sucks? Then they must be a complete piece of shit who deserved to suffer. Yeah, that must be it. Serves them right haha, am I right guys? Yeah, I'm right. Gotta be.

>>35221687
>all white Jewish people rook the same

>>35221685
>implying the government isn't regulated by big pharma
The goyim fell for it!

>>35221510
>doctors should be forced to work for free
You see the flaw in your belief system here? What if they say no, what then?

>>35221687
>government services and products are good
>drives expensive sport car
kek such hipocrisy

>>35221687
>free health care
Bernie never said it would be free though. Stop falling for conservative strawmans.

>>35221733
Who are you quoting?

block sauce comment

>People talking about how people don't have a 'right' to health care
You don't have a 'right' to live. There's no cosmic force imbued inside you that makes it so I can't kill you with a baseball bat. Nobody has a 'right' to anything. But we aren't barbaric animals, that's why we created civilization and care for one another. Civilizations deem what rights their citizens have within that civilization.

>>35221733
then they should be forced to work in concentration camps. kek

>>35219820
The funny thing is that Bernie would say yes in private but in public probably say he just wants the health care.

I hate the fuckin Eagles, man.

>>35221761
If you believe you have a right to something that means you believe you have the right to the labor of others whether that means the labor of unpaid doctors, or the labor of others to pay for your health care.

>>35220894
Good to see at least one person paid attention in econ.

>>35220669
What an asshole
origino

>>35221798
I never took econ. It's just common fucking sense.

>>35221739
that isn't (((sanders))) you idiot
socdems are retarded though
there should not be government control of everything, companies should just be controlled mostly by workers so they represent them instead of some corrupt kike owner who rips off both his workers and consumers.

>>35221795
No, and I'd appreciate if you stopped trying to force ideas of what -I- believe because it makes you look like a petty retard.

>>35221795
but i'm entitled to the labor of more successful people because their success is the reason of my failing!!!

>>35221795
Actually, it also logically entails the payment of those laborers as well, so your criticism falls apart at the seams.

>>35219820
Washington said free speech was a right. Why stop there? Don't i also have a right to bare arms? A right to not incriminate myself? A right to a fair trial?

Am i right?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

>>35221857

washington is a state you dumbass, how can states talk?

>>35219820
>human """""rights""""" allocated by the state and not from god

trash

>>35221867
Washington is a dead president dumbass, how can dead presidents talk?

>>35221813
>>35221798
>>35220894

You know in other countries, their minimum wage isn't 2 dollars an hour and they can find jobs just fine.

>>35221815
He didn't buy a car, he just bought a $600,000 house

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/09/bernie-sanders-just-paid-an-unbelievable-amount-of-money-for-a-summer-vacation-home/

>right to a job
Unemployment benefits.

>right to a meal
Government provides food stamps.

>right to housing
Public housing programs.

Just sayin

>>35221888

how can rights be real if our presidents aren't real.

>>35221881

Is God not omnipresent?

>>35221855
>you're forced to work for me
>but don't worry i will pay you how much i think you deserve just so it doesn't seem like i am taking your freedoms from you
the laborers are the ones that should negotiate how much their services are worth, not your government.

>>35221889
Care to back up the claim with a case study?

>>35221890
>a $600,000 house

Detroit ghetto crack shacks notwithstanding, that's a fair price for a house

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>>35221867
You got me there

>>35221888
God can be interpreted in many ways (suni/shia, catholic/protestant) , most well written convince laws are very clear as to what rights are allotted to each citizen or inhabitant.

>>35221890
So? He's the lowest paying Senator. How is it his fault he can still afford shit?

Jelly?

>>35221965
*concise. sorry I'm baked
>WEED LMAO

>>35221911
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

>>35221974
He also endorsed Shillary even though Trump is infinitely more populist than her. Take the hint faggot the guy was a fraud from the start.

>>35221911
Didn't Seattle's employment drop after raising the minimum wage to $15?

>>35222013
>populist is a good thing
Have fun with your tyranny of the majority.

>ameritard conservatives care about fiscal responsibility when it comes to bettering the human condition and getting 7 times the investment back (free education)
>tax breaks, subsidies to banks and corporations, insane military budget, etc, no need for fiscal responsibility here

>people fall for it

>>35219820
IF YOU WORK FULL TIME, all of the things in your post should be a right.

Capitalists have fucked over the working man for far too long in this country.

Fuck the lazy assholes, they don't get anything. BUT IF YOU WORK you should be able to go to the doctor and have a hot meal in your shitty apartment.

>>35222026
>majority

nope

>>35221890
The source is known source of wingnut commentary... otherwise referred to as "fake news".

>>35222013
Why are you mad Bernie considered Hillary the lesser evil? Everything Trump has done so far has just proven him right, but even if that wasn't the case it's just a minor disagreement.

Why does Sanders have to follow your ridiculous purity test?

>>35219876
>fuck me papa Stalin
>moral
pick one

>>35221911
>>35221995
REKT

mootblox

>>35222072
>Everything Trump has done so far has just proven him right, but even if that wasn't the case it's just a minor disagreement.
>Everything

Including withdrawing from TPP, which Hillary would not have done? You're a joke dude.

#JusticeDemocrats

>>35221995
I mean if that's your argument then here's mine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage

Read about cause and effect.

>>35222017
I heard about that though I wouldn't know the specifics. I know that happened in DC though.

>>35221162
>So do socialist european countries with a welfare state, free healthcare and free college.
>Difference is, in the US the taxpayer isn't being blend dry to finance some lazy leeches.

You do understand that the reason those countries can do this is the majority work and pay tax, right? Despite what your stupidity tells you, Europe isn't full of unemployed losers and governments just magically creating money to pay for them.

The US taxpayer is being bled dry to finance the military-industrial complex and corporate welfare. You're so utterly cucked it's ridiculous how little awareness you have of it.

>>35222104
Being persnickety about my wording isn't going to change things, anon.

>>35222060
The house and senate (the two most powerful entities of the govt.) are both controlled by the GOP. The president and Courts are also controlled by the GOP. They're gonna pass laws that hurt the people that didn't vote for them. Like me who get thier health care from ACA and used to use food stamps.

>>35220857
Where are you seeing all of these people on foodstamps with brand new cars and phones?
Are you friends with a lot of poor people or something?

>>35221279

>pays millions to subsidise bail outs and private prisons and defence contractors
>still pays for welfare anyway

Truly, the Ameripoor is uniquely cucked.

>>35222166
The most logical answer is I've been poor most of my life. What kind of question is that?

>>35222129
Change what? That you're a moron who believes pie in the sky nonsense from a corrupt idiot like Bernie Sanders, who endorsed the most corrupt candidate for president and bought a beach house after?

>>35219820
I agree wtih everything except
>A right to a job
no thanks, you can have that

>>35221449

>right to own a firearm
>literally believe Jesus wants you to be armed but not have access to healthcare

Fucking hell...

>>35220568
>meanwhile every single country in Northern Europe have free healthcare or somewhat close to it being free
>Burgerland cant afford this cuz they're entire economy has been fucked from the start

>>35222251
your retarded argument would only make sense if

1) guns were free but healthcare wasn't
2) you couldn't buy healthcare

>>35219820
Free healthcare, free education (K-phd), free food, free housing. Also open borders to the 3rd world so you aren't a fascist, it's the perfect world.

>>35219876
Communitarianism is the only way

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Single payer system is really the only way to go for healthcare. I say that because the only way to for companies to make money in healthcare is to A. let people die or B. make it expensive. It's funny how the right argued about death panels when ACA was being planned when the insurance industry literally had death panels. And no, ACA isn't driving up prices, it's the red states that didn't go all in on the ACA that are fucking everything up.

Luckily, most people would be fine with a single payer system; we just need the right politicians to roll it out. The only ones that aren't for it are those with corporate interests, the "fuck you, I've got mine" faggots (aka /pol/), and the libertarian cucks that want the government to be small enough that it could be your own town's.

Also, what's up with all the /pol/acks raiding this board?

>>35222214
Trump has proven himself more corrupt though. Brazenly violating the constitution, folding to big pharma after one meeting, taxing the middle-class on day one (and more later), cutting regulations which protect the environment and people so corporations can profit from people's deaths, etc, etc.

Also see >>35222072

>>35222251

Once again, the bill of "rights" are a bill of "restrictions." Things the government can't do. The government cannot infringe on you owning a firearm. That doesn't mean that you have a "right" to one, that the government has to provide you with one because you're a citizen. Completely different things.

>>35221245
>It's time to share anon.
>gib me your shit
Nigger, nothing else to say.

>>35222278
>paying 800$ a month for general healthcare while Europe, Canada and any other english speaking country gets it for free or pays no more than 50$
lol k

>>35221316
>this somehow justifies to support lazy leftist leeches
Go to some commie state if you want free shit... oh wait, communism failed.

>>35222296
Besides, the rights to bear arms and having an armed militia are there to oppress the people, not to give people the opportunity to overthrow the government (like some conservatives seem to believe because they're good goyims).

>>35222279

I hate when people call socialized healthcare "free." It comes out of your taxes instead of your wallet or paycheck. To me, that's preferable if it means we get decent healthcare without the hassle or fear of being dropped because I had a hemorrhoid in 1999.

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>>35222308
you are paying for it by way of taxes anyway

>>35222278

>missing the point this badly

>>35222296

>thinks its perfectly fine and reasonable to have the right to own a gun but not the right to basic human requirements that make society better overall for the majority

>>35222356
>>35222364

You know that literally everyone who lives in those countries knows this right?

If you ever post this again, you are admitting that you're stupid.

>>35222285
they don't give a shit about healthcare or anything really that doesn't have to do with "mass immigration through open borders from third world countries"

>>35219820
>there are people who want a world where there are more police than educators
You get what you asked for. There's a reason America is a third world country.

>>35222116
>Europe isn't full of unemployed losers and governments just magically creating money to pay for them.
Jesus Christ you are absolutely retarded. EZB is currently fucking up the Euro, giving shitloads of money to the bottomless pit that greece is and southern countries are, in fact, full of lazy, unemployed leeches.
We finance shit colleges that promote leftist propaganda, gender studies, women studies, support lazy fat leeches that don't work, give free healthcare to people that live unhealthy (smoking, fat, alcohol) and all that is financed by the taxpayer, this is why taxation is theft.
>inb4 muh bank bailouts
Yeah guess what, same story in EU. It's happening, it's wrong.

Fucking retard.

Free market principles don't work when it comes to healthcare. If you're dying, your demand for life-saving medicine is infinite, and a privatized healthcare system will squeeze you dry. Furthermore, it prioritizes quantity of care above quality of care. This is why ameritards pay the most for healthcare in the world: because they are cucked beyond belief.

>>35219872
>not realizing that sudden massive tax raise for free healthcare and education would not raise the prices for tendies

>>35222383
So what is your point? How is your healthcare free when you are still paying for it, by force?

>>35222420
Someone has to pay by force at some point in the chain. You just happen to believe it should be those who are suffering the most because you're a monster.

>>35222364
>that few percentage taxincrease also includes a huge package of welfare benefits
>also includes affordable housing
>also includes free college or affordable college/university by aiding with free money
>being this retarded and allowing your country to be savaged by literal jews

>>35222402
>We finance shit colleges that promote leftist propaganda, gender studies, women studies
where you at

>>35222402
last time i checked the US had a bigger debt relative to their GDP than Greece

>>35222467
Germany and my college is financing antifa who riot and damage private property which makes the tax payer pay even more, fuck this.

>>35219820
doesnt matter if you get all the free shit in the world. Hivemind and other people will find a way to make your life miserable.

>>35219820
Is agreeing with Bernie or disagreeing?

>>35222494
>my college is financing antifa

>>35222402

We're talking about the socialised Scandinavian countries, you fucking retard. Try actually reading the posts you're responding to instead of dithering on about Greece, you subhuman cunt.

>>35222491
Last time i checked US had a relevant economy while greece is full of lazy shits dependant on tourism.
Greece should simply be kicked out of the EU, forced to pay their debts and left to die in some corner.

>>35222518
>it's goalpost migration season

>>35222420

Free health care means free access when required. We ALL understand how it gets paid for.

Now that we have clarified this, if you ever post anything like this again, you are undeniably admitting you are deliberately choosing to be stupid.

>>35222537

It literally says it in the posts you were too much of a abject moron to read, you autistic, illiterate cunt

>>35222420
go back to your echo chamber, close this tab

>>35222513
Yes. We have those fucks in the student council and only in the last year they managed to TRIPPLE the expenses and waste money on retarded leftist bullshit.

>>35222518
No we are not you retarded lying piece of shit. I replied to your post when this was NOT the topic, so stop shifting the goal-post you autistic fuck.

>>35222522
Because of open borders between EU countries you got ALOT of skilled people coming from Greece into the rest of Europe, you can't save Greece not until they fully give away their governmental control to Brussels. Although according to Greece, they want to go out, which is fine by me also. Debt stays though, see how long they' ll survive then

>>35222578
>We have those fucks in the student council
that's pretty sad desu
what are you studying

>>35222589
>Because of open borders between EU countries you got ALOT of skilled people coming from Greece into the rest of Europe
>source = my ass
This is not about saving Greece anymore, it's about saving the rest and removing the cancer from the body.

>>35222185
lmao poor kid
youre like a fat kid who gets teased while growing up and becomes a gym nut so he can bully fat kids as an adult

>>35222627
Business information systems, basically CS / finance combined studies.

>>35222642
But I don't try to have a lot of money. I'd rather take a cozy lower paying job than a high stress, high pay job.

>>35222365
>government can't stop me from owning a gun
>equivalent to the government providing me healthcare

The equivalent would be the government can't stop me from purchasing my own healthcare. Whoops, under the ACA, you're forced to buy something by the government or pay a fine.

>>35222785
Good argument for Single Payer, given that ACA was the conservatives' answer to it and it still doesn't cut it (even though it was better than the price-gouging nightmare before which didn't cover as many people).

>>35222824
>given that ACA was the conservatives' answer to it

Not a single conservative voted for ACA, what are you talking about?

>instead of forcing people to get insurance or pay a fine, we'll just have the government control everything

Yeah, great argument.

>>35222879
>Not a single conservative voted for ACA
That's because they're partisan hacks who will oppose their own ideas when proposed by the opposition.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

>>35222961
>20 co-sponsors
>a minority of conservatives does something, that means it's a product of it

No, sorry. And just because republicans did it doesn't mean it's a conservative idea. And even if they did, I don't have to agree with everything republicans do anyway. So the only partisan hack here is you trying to play the partisan game.

>b-but republicans did it before so that means it's a republican idea

>>35223040
Looks like you got BTFO and have no counter-argument. Re-read my posts and see why I won.

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Oh look, socialists are fucking retarded.

>>35220791
>charisma
>bernie
pick zero and kill yourself

>>35223085
>ACA was the conservatives answer to it
>your own source says that the "conservative' bill from the 90's wasn't supported by the majority of conservatives or even largely resembled the ACA

Only one BTFO here is you.

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>>35220857
Yes, because the $200 it took for my dad to buy a phone that he's had for 5 years so he can communicate with his children was really going to stop his narcotics and alcohol addiction, crippling depression, and lyme disease, fix all the broken pipes in our house from the 70s so we can actually flush toilet paper down the toilets or use them at all, convince my psychotic OCD aunt to get help or at least get her a wig so she doesn't look like Golem because of her maybe 5 strands of hair not ripped out, make my grandma stop hoarding rooms and rooms of newspaper so that I can actually have my own bedroom instead of sleeping in dad's bed, etc

You think my family wouldn't give us the WORLD on their own if they could? You think they aren't embarrassed? You think my father really sits in that bed in the basement that hasn't had the sheets changed in month and goes, "huehuehue so comfy, they'll never take my autismbucks from me!!!"

Just because you like to picture some ghetto clowns at the store using food stamps with a cart full of chips and soda doesn't give you the right to condemn the people who wouldn't survive without assistance. Or because you were poor but still had better circumstances and other variables that allowed you some leeway, you think, "wahhh my life was so bad, but I pulled through, so no one has any right to complain or do anything except what I did! Well, it was shitty and terrible and I want to die but at least I'm no whiny nigger!" Develop some goddamned empathy.

>>35223099
They're called "entitlements" because you payed into it, so it's your money and you're entitled to it. Fucking hell.

>>35223128
>they're called entitlements because you payed 'into' it
>it's your money and you're entitled to it

How about you take your money and go directly to the seller instead? Statist cuck.

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If you think you don't have the rights to a meal and housing, I sure hope that your parents made you move out as soon as you were able to walk. Or you did that on your own, right, with your shining moral compass lighting the way? Or paid rent at least as soon as you could talk?

>>35223150
Because I'd get cucked, like most Americans who pay more for healthcare than anyone else. Retard.

tweets like this are why rhetoric classes should be required in high school. weird to see someone who's apparently popular enough to be verified/a grown male adult in their display pic tweet something so dumb

>>35223186

And you're not getting cucked by a 3rd party that is the state then? roflmao

>>35223193
If I had to randomly guess, I would assume you have been cucked before. Just a random guess

>>35223242
Actually no. You get cucked the other way around. If government was allowed to negotiate prices as well, we'd get even less cucked, but big pharma conservatives won't allow that.

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>>35223280
>if government was allowed to negotiate prices as well

If only the government stayed out of medicine completely.

>>35223252
interesting original post worth thinking about

>>35220511
Did you post just for (you)'s? Because this makes no sense.

>>35223314
But then medicine would only serve the rich elite.

>>35223176

False dichotomy. We're against the state providing anything because we're forced to comply. You can get free shelter, food, and anything from charity. People voluntarily helping others. Just because you're against public welfare doesn't mean you want people dying in the streets.

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>>35223367

That makes absolutely zero sense.

>>35223406
if people/companies aren't forced to be reasonable and accommodating then they won't be

>>35223383
This.
Imo the state should only help those who seriously cannot help themselves, such as people who had a serious accident, or people who need short time help, meaning people who lost their job and need/want a month of short time help.

>>35223441
You want it but don't want it. How Orwellian of you.

>>35223422

But they are forced to be reasonably and accommodating, it's called a fucking market.

>>35219820
If the left starts arguing that sex is a human right I will start voting democrat

>>35223422
Then a reasonable and accommodating company will out-compete them.

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>>35219820
The answer to all of those is yes. If you don't do that then you live in a shithole.

>tfw in U.S.

>>35220526
And of course everybody ignores this guy.

Fucking meme-spouting morons.

>>35223472
see >>35222412

nonoriginalcomment

>>35223463
>Orwellian
Hello fellow Ledditor, wish you a good day, kind sir.

>>35222578

See

>>35222116
>socialist european countries with a welfare state, free healthcare and free college.

Thanks in advance for admitting you're wrong

>>35223498
you're dumb btw

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>>35223533
>free market
>american healthcare

What is there to see?

>>35219876
>Lol let's be a nanny state full of dicks who don't want anyone to be allowed to do anything
>Moral
Yeah sure

when will the american healthcare system be destroyed and rebuilt into something workable?

>>35223125

lmao'ing@urlife

lmao with a dash of oregacumin

>>35223566
wow that was very rude

>>35223603
Soon enough. Join the effort: >>35222108

>>35223538
>socialist european countries with a welfare state, free healthcare and free college.
>exclusively means scandinavian countries
Yeah.. you are completely retarded. Time to get off the internet, retard.

>>35220155
this would be more effective if it weren't usually broke ass virgins saying it.

why is it you feel entitled to emergency services like the police and firefighting units, but something like healthcare is lost on you? because you're a moron, that's why.

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>>35220290
One government issue GF, coming right up.

>>35223125
>Develop some goddamned empathy.

You're expecting empathy from overly emotional and bitter autists that fail at everything they do?

You know I agree with personal responsibility and taking command of your life, but there really needs to be more acknowledgement that there really are black holes that are inescapable no matter how hard you try.

Like I feel like conservatives would tell a person who fell in a ditch and broke their leg "if you really wanted to, you could get yourself to the hospital on your own. It's your fault that you're down there."

Sometimes people genuinely are helpless as a result of circumstances that were out of their control.

>>35223688

why'd you fall in a ditch you dumbass

>>35220155

t. neet trying to feel strong

>>35223654
>this would be more effective if it weren't usually broke ass virgins saying it.
Nice projection, retard. I might be a virgin, but i'm not broke ass.

>why is it you feel entitled to emergency services like the police and firefighting units, but something like healthcare is lost on you?
Police and firefighting are both part of public security. Me paying the bills for some fat, smoking drug addict faggot with AIDS is not.

>>35223702
>t. autistic retard
Nice projection, not a NEET.

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>>35223688

Oregano on my capitalist freedom pizza.

>>35223726
go back to facebook imo

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One thing I don't understand about ancaps and right-libertarians is that they think the only purpose of government is to provide negative rights to its citizens (freedom from, and not the right to). But then they say the state must defend the right to private property, which at some point was once not private property, but accessible to all. For private property to exist, it is necessary that everyone once relinquished his ownership to an individual.
Furthermore, in nature this ownership would be temporary, so that all land that is unused is unowned. So the stateless man could not feel himself entitled to a portion of land he was never to use, or occupy. But with the modern state, this became an entitlement, a positive right he could not expect before the state, to be able to own property he neither uses nor occupies. Yet this entitlement right-libertarians make a curious exception for.

>>35223750
That's true of politicians in general. Thomas Sowell confirmed for hack.

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>>35223759
You should prepare my meal imo.

>>35223784

You sure showed him, Marx.

>>35223726
>Nice projection, retard. I might be a virgin, but i'm not broke ass.
So one of my projections was obviously 100% correct. What do you do for a living though?

>Police and firefighting are both part of public security
Yes, and keeping citizens alive is also a part of public security you imbecile. I wonder how quickly you'd change sides like a little bitch as soon as you were in a situation where you realized you would benefit greatly from nationalized free healthcare.

And what about education? Why the fuck did my tax dollars have to go towards assisting your dipshit degenerate family?

No one wants their taxes to go to people they don't like, but that's part of the cost; you can't pick and choose. Same with police/firemen/public education.

>>35223779

They're just trying to moralize greed. The only people that would benefit from such a system would be those that already have large stakes.

libertarians: is there anything more unintentionally hilarious?

>>35223125
Wew, not commenting on the argument itself, but at least this fits a bit to the board.

Also: Is Germanon by chance from Hamburg? I kind of recognize this manner of speaking

>>35223844
>refuted asinine comment by Sowell
>"must be Marxists HUEHUEHUEHUE XD"
>>>/leddit/

>>35223923
>refuted

What did you refute, exactly?

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>>35223871
I would agree. Their version of "libertarianism" is very ahistorical, partly for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post, which weren't lost on the original libertarians.

>>35219820
All these western lefties makes me so sick because the same rhetoric destroyed my country(Russian Empire) a century age.

>>35223848
>So one of my projections was obviously 100% correct
Tough guess, this applies to probably >90% of all people on this board.

>What do you do for a living though?
College and work an IT job.

>Yes, and keeping citizens alive is also a part of public security you imbecile
No it isn't retard, this has nothing to do with public security.

>nationalized free healthcare
First, there is no such thing as free healthcare, you have to pay for it by higher taxes.
Second, i receive this "free" healthcare since i live in Germany, but i'd rather not receive it and simply hold onto my money since i don't use any of those services and when i do, i have to pay a part of the bill, fuck this.

>And what about education? Why the fuck did my tax dollars have to go towards assisting your dipshit degenerate family?
>working for your money is degenerate
Yeah, fuck off you autistic NEET loser. No wonder you retarded faggots are so pathetic.
BASIC education should be free of charge and mandatory, but not college. Free college is bad. It brings people into the college who should never go there because they are simply too retarded for it.
Free college also supports useless waste of money courses like liberal arts or gender studies which produce useless, entitled retards who have no value on the job market.
Free college only burdens the tax payer, "free" stuff does in general, since there is not "free" shit.

>but that's part of the cost
Wrong. You could simply make laws that decide what's being paid and what not.

>>35224007

Western leftists are the worst of them all.

Zombies I call them.

>>35224007

Fuck off retard, the bolshevik uprising has nothing in parallel with desiring a mixed economy where natural monopolies are regulated by the state to ensure the best result. You don't have to flush everything down the toilet and sell everything to business interests just because Communist Russia was a central planning disaster, that makes no sense.

>>35224007
you have 0 knowledge of what you're talking about. i assume history education is as bad in your shithole of a country as it is in america

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>>35224098
>You don't have to flush everything down the toilet and sell everything to business interests just because Communist Russia was a central planning disaster, that makes no sense.
Funny enough, this is what Yeltsin did, with horrible consequences that Russia is still recovering from.

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>>35224098
>mixed economy where natural monopolies are regulated by the state to ensure the best result

Yet all the monopolies that exist today do so only because of the state.

>>35224170

>Oligarchs, oligarchs everywhere

Well, mainly in London now

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>>35224177
If the monopolies were created by the state, they can only be destroyed by the state.

>>35224303

Indeed. Remove the state, remove the monopolies.

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>>35224356
Yes, but only the reverse order is logically possible.

>>35224393

Easier to remove the state and try to change the state.

>>35224451
Yes, but it can only be done after removing the monopolies.

>>35224471

How would you remove the monopolies first, if the state is the reason they exist?

>>35219820
Fucking liberals, thinking they're entitled to shit like healthcare, clean air, and drinkable water.

SHOW ME IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE THE GOVERNMENT GUARANTEES YOU FREE SHIT