/qtg/ - Quest Thread General

>>423255
>Player
I generally enjoy quests where you're in over your head and have to start from zero. Quests lose my interest when I don't think there's room to grow for it.

>QM
I wish I knew when to give the players certain tidbits of information and to ignore them. Also, the infamous "sex scene is railroading" debacle which I should have just told them to piss off instead of indulging.

>Bonus
Audit Quest, I guess.

>>423281
Also, for laughs, HoodQuest. A word to the wise - don't care about lore or the world in the latter. It is what it is. Crude and unapologetic lowbrow material.

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>>423255

>Player Question
A good OP image always manages to catch my attention. On the flip side, a bad image can easily turn me off. That, or if the Quest revolves around a meme or whatever.

>QM Question
The addition of a poorly thought out and sluggish combat system made me realise how much I hate number crunching while running a quest. I eventually decided to try out a much more simple system, and it proved popular enough to keep.

>Bonus
Pretty much everyone knows it already, but I'll go with Audit Quest. It's fun and creative in all the ways you'd expect from it.

Also, for maybe the five people who read WrestleQuest who missed my explanation for it's hiatus because I posted it at the tail end of the last thread, here it is.

Requesting the summaryanon to summarize/review my quest:

>>413735

>>423381
What kind of shitty fucking summary is this

>>423255
>Player
A clear idea of what it wants to be. Not a clear idea of what the setting is, we have tons of that. Whether by image or text, if I can see an identity with what little is seen on the catalog, I give it a look.

There's no shame if you needed fanfic to do it, but if you somehow used fanfic and managed to look even MORE bland than the others, it's not helping you.

If, from just the little text on the catalog, I can figure out that it's written in blank slate chargen where I can predict what the choices are without even going in the thread, I give it a pass.

A bit turned off when it starts off with meta introductions. They just so rarely get worded well.

>Bonus
Here's one just getting off the ground: Armored Core: Broken Wing

QM's rolling with the punches pretty well, hopefully he can pickup enough good habits to get things going.

>>423255
>Player Question
An interesting title or OP image is generally what catches my eye. Obviously "interesting" is subjective so it's not very helpful but a neat title goes a long way. The only quests I'll really ignore are long running quests.

>>423392
Hence why I'm requesting one family

>>423255
>Player Question(s)
An interesting or attractive OP image, a title that sounds interesting to me, or if it's about a franchise that I know of. I disregard it if it's about memes or is deliberately built on anime cliches, or if it looks like the QM is just winging it off the cuff. I stay for the long haul if it's kept interesting and the writing is good.

>Bonus
Black Company Quest. It's not exactly about the Black Company books, but it IS about a company of pragmatic and ambiguously evil mercenaries doing their described job for an evil overlord. I like it because the players actually aren't goody-two-shoes and are willing to choose the evil or asshole options, but it hasn't yet gone full edgelord and is still pretty enjoyable

Not this cancer thread again :^)

Dammit OP, the old thread still has 2 days of life left. Do you somehow think that the 750 post bump limit is actually a hard cap to the number of posts a thread can have or something?

>>423653
People were complaining that they weren't seeing it since it wasn't on the front page.

Doesn't really matter honestly. Not like we are starved for thread space on this board.

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>>416863
>>416863
>>416863
HGQ is Live!

Credit for picture goes to Larro!

>>423778
Source?

>>423793
Larro. He runs Audit quest.

>>423814
Thanks.

I miss genre shift. Where did it go?

>>423660
We're the Australia of 4Chan, sans shitpost and incestuous baby eating.

Don't ask me about the second one. I wish I didn't know.

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>>423907
>incestuous baby eating
>Australia

I'm not as surprised as I should be.

>>423907
>shitpost and incestuous baby eating
Does that make Akun the Australia of the questing community?

YOU AWAKEN IN WESTEROS QUEST MK 1 REVIEW

THE GIST:

This is just a review of the Velo part of the quest before Trick took over and before Velo made a comeback. This is everything up to and including the Velo-ing.

We all know that this quest isn't going to be remembered for the actual quest itself but for the memes and for Velo and for what he did. There's just not that much outside of that.

We play as a high school drama student that's magically transported into the world of Game of Thrones. We engage in lot of really boring wish fulfillment. The characters are hollow. The interactions are dry. The choices are inconsequential. The threats are easily dealt with. The plot is meandering and dull. Nothing about the world we're in seems to effect the character beyond a full superficial elements. There's no awe or sense of adventure or emotional content.

Its not a good quest.

LET'S TALK ABOUT WISH FULFILLMENT

Now lets be honest. There's nothing wrong with a waifu quest or a "you wake up in the setting quest" or a godmode quest. There really isn't. You want to be the little girl you be the little girl. You want to stand on top of Castle Greyskull and shout I HAVE THE WAIFUUUUUU you go right ahead.

Quests are about having an entertaining time with a group of anons online. I myself have done (and still do) embarrassing wish fulfillment quests.

What I'm saying is I'm not going to slam a quest for wish fulfillment.

I'm going to slam a quest for being poorly written and boring wish fulfillment. Especially when it attracts an incredible number of players who love it so much that they hold it up as a shining example of good questing. Especially when its players beg its QM to come back and write after he sticks a knife in their back.

What I'm saying is sit down and buckle the fuck up.

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>>423255
> QM Question
Eh.

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>>424061

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>>424086
Back again!

>Player
I don't have very high standards for finding quests, mainly I just sort by last reply and open each in a tab and look over the initial posts to see if it's something that has its stuff together.
If it's past the initial threads the first thing I look for is an archive link or a pastebin link to previous threads. Without that I'm not very inclined to go searching for the other threads.
The only sure thing that has me immediately disregard a quest is if it's written in third-person. I've gotten used to the more RPGish methods of quests I've participated in, and so they just don't click for me.

For the long haul it really just depends if I have the time to catch the threads and the QM isn't dead. Then again I'm used to hiatuses so that colors my perspective a fair amount.

>QM
To the setting itself or the changes I've made to it along the way, no. But in regards to certain prompts, yeah. There's quite a few I regret but I think they've been good lessons so far.

>Bonus
A quest? Well, if it's just a singular recommendation I'd say Totemist is right up there for anyone who enjoys fantasy worlds and interesting character developments. It's a very long running /tg/ quest about a young Totemist named Osyki who makes totems and binds creatures to them to defend his village. It's mechanics of totem interactions are in depth and they provide lots of background for ways to approach different situations, especially for powerful action scenes.

>>424061
Brutal, Cosmic.

>>424061
WE AWAKEN IN WESTEROS

We wake up Westeros. We're Velo/A scrawny 18 year old high schooler drama kid named Isaac. We wake up ass naked in a park because this is GOT and if you aren't naked you're either sitting in a throne plotting or covered in blood.

Now I'm not a GOT person. I know about as much about it as a casual knows about comic books. I guess the appeal is that its a violent sexy Machiavellian fantasy story. That's not for me.

And so you might be thinking "the quest isn't for you. It's for people that know and love GOT". Okay. I can dig it. But wasn't GOT kind of dark and "realistic"?

An 18 year old drama kid couldn't survive being dropped naked in Detroit. And I would hope a gritty medieval fantasy would be at least comparable to Detroit in terms of danger.

The quest is filled with posts describing plans to use our character's knowledge of GOT to become rich and powerful before we get clothes. I think the prioritizes in this quest are obvious.

GROUND RULES

After getting dressed we have some ground rules laid out. We will be using the book continuity, but all characters will be aged up to show levels because oh dear god no.

You have to be 18 to post on 4chan. I think a character should have to be 18 before they can be in a quest.

BREAKFAST CLUB CHARACTER GENERATION

We get to decide our character's background and skillset a few posts in. Velo decides the name and personality.

Again, priorities.

We're given our choice between dumb jock smart nerd boring boyscout or random 4chan user.

People vote for the dumb jock. But suddenly Velo introduces a drama kid character class. And suddenly people start voting for it.

Quite suddenly.

DRAMA CLASS BEST CLASS

Would you believe we picked the OP class?

We decide to join the guard because we know taking wounds in an realistic medieval setting will in no way impact our life expectancy. Nor will sleeping in barracks with guys that don't bathe regularly.

You know you have to take shots before you go south of the equator because of disease? And now we're going to hang out and sweat and get wounded with people that don't bathe.

But disease is probably not something we have to worry about. Our drama powers give us an amazing Force Sensitivity and subconsciousness I bet it boosts our immune system.

Don't believe me?

The captain of the guard thinks we're a panty waist because we are and tells us to go home. We respond with a Jedi Mind Trick.

"You stare him in the eye with an intensity that visibly shocks him, modern social awareness giving you an audacity these people aren't used to"

Did he just check his muscle privilege? What the fuck even just happened?

No. Think about this in your head. What just happened? You have this scrawny modern kid stare at a grizzled fantasy warrior and somehow shock him.

Picture the moment in your head. That moment is the distillation of fantasy wish fulfillment.

-cont

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Starship Idols is now running here on /qst/. Come on and down and serve the Federation.

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>>424193
Aaaaaaand I forgot the link. Stupid me.

>>424186

>>424146
So now we got to fight the captain of the guard and assume an "awkward stance" because the most experience we ever got with a sword was when the drama club did the climax of Hamlet.

We were probably Gertrude.

Guess what happens? We roll a 1D100 and get a 75.

A 75 lets us disarm him.

Even before Velo starts writing people are calling us a secret sword master and "Loris' hidden sword champion".

On a 75.

We would have probably dodged the blade, flipped over him, and cut his trousers off with a "pff noting personal old timer" if we had a 90. A 100 would have had us spawn a dark katana in our hand.

So we're now in the guard. Which means we now get to learn how to fight. After beating the captain of the guard.

PLAYING WITH THE BOYS

Our companions include Jerro whose character is that he's 14, Garret whose character is that he has red hair, and "Boar" whose character is that he's a bore.

We get some text blocks about training and training and no character development because that implies interpersonal interactions and as Velo shows later that's not something he's comfortable with.

"You seemed to really enjoy sword play, weirdly reminiscent of the video game you played back home."

Oh kill me now.

>>424146
>You have to be 18 to post on 4chan. I think a character should have to be 18 before they can be in a quest.

Nigga that's just fuckin ridiculous. Casting aside the fact that historically the age of consent was pretty much "when it bleeds", in most of the world that isn't the US it's 15 or 16.

So if you're running a quest with any focus at all upon historicity there are going to be characters included which violate that rule. Child soldiers levied by a lord to defend his kingdom, nine year olds sold as brides to powerful neighbors, et cetera.

>>424216
I know, just trying to make a little joke. Don't take it so seriously.

>>424210
I enjoy reading your reviews. Maybe it was the high number of participants and discussion that left people with a more positive impression? Can't really explain it otherwise...

>>424286
The participants were a bit...odd to say the least. And I think a lot of them were willing to excuse a lot of trash for this kind of plot in a Game of Thrones setting.

>>423255

>>Player Question(s)
>what gets you to click on a certain quest
If it is relevant to my interests, such as XCOM, WW2 and other things.
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>what causes you to immediately disregard a quest
Civ quests and quests that obviously have very little effort put into them.
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>once a quest has caught your attention what does it need to do to keep
Just generally keep it's way and not do any ass-pulls. Or the QM trying to push his own agenda.
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>>QM Question
>Has there ever been something you really regret adding into your quest?
Not really, my quest is still in it's early stages so I am in a great position to add in new characters and get used to the whole QM thing.
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>>Bonus
>Recommend a quest(s).

I'd like to recommend:
>Dieselpunk Magical Girl Quest:
It's a relatively refreshing take on the WW2 magical girl scenario, with the Nazis having a great advantage. The QM isn't against giving the gory details. I personally hope that we get a bit of character history in future runs, but overall I look forwards to it's continued runs.

>Nazi Experimental Quest:
It's a fresh quest that places you in the shoes of someone in an unfortunate who had suffered at the hands of the Nazis. Though I haven't read that much into the quest as I'm not sure if it's archived on suptg.
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And a bonus (kinda tooting my own horn here):
>Pilot Quest 1989:
A quest about fighter pilots in a slightly altered history. At the moment we are just running up towards the combat so that the players can get a grasp of the mechanics, and can get to know and connect with the characters before the combat starts. We have a readily available archive that can allow new players to read up on previous threads.

>>424305
>Nazi Experimental Quest
It is, though its tags are all over the place.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Nazi%20Experiment
has 1,3, etc.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/294205/
is 2
>read that much into the quest
It's a dice roll smash fest, like the QM's other quest :).

>Pilot Quest
Enjoyed reading that one. Nice character introductions, they don't feel like some background shapes, they're fleshed out. Interesting fight scenes too!

>>424210
In spite of not being a seasoned veteran or even seeing battle we get our choice of where to be assigned during our "Day of Experience". We probably used our drama kid mind powers to influence some people.

We choose to be assigned as the personal guard of the royal family, primarily "Margery Tyrell" because waifus.

To his credit Velo says that we aren't the Praetorian guard. We'll be the pack mules for the actual armed guards.

But still. Still. Royal guard straight after bootcamp. In real life you have to have a bit more to just wear those hats outside Buckingham palace.

"The harshness of modern language seemed barbaric next to the poetic melody of her soft but loud speech."

Yeah. Is she like a half-elf or something? I'm not familiar with the setting.

We oggle Margery Tyrell and Velo amuses himself describing how beautiful and perfect she is. Our one interaction with our friends so far in the entire quest is nodding as Boar says he wants to put a baby in her cunt.

The anons slap themselves on the back for how clever and cool they are to have rolled a 75 and get on the royal guard. They're looking forward to where the quest is going.

A noble swordsman shows up and challenges us to a duel so we can kick his ass with our drama skills.

GETTING ON THE ROAD

We're assigned to guard the royal train to Stormcloud or whatever the city is called. We meet the handmaiden Elinor and say nothing to her.

Boar eats out a whore while we watch and get stiff. This has more description than our first meeting with Elinor who is later described as our best friend.

We discuss bettering ourselves by reading books. But not books on science. Because we already have know more than all their wise men do when it comes to engineering and science and technology.

The anons are not yet talking about steam engines and the industrial revolution but you see the seeds being planted.

Remember A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court?

Now instead of him being a charming polymath engineer imagine if he was a blank slate drama kid.

Yeah.

THE ONLY INTERESTING PART OF THE QUEST HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE IN BED

Then we fight an assassin. Guess what? We win.

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>>424431
>We're assigned to guard the royal train to Stormcloud or whatever the city is called. We meet the handmaiden Elinor and say nothing to her.
>Boar eats out a whore while we watch and get stiff. This has more description than our first meeting with Elinor who is later described as our best friend.

>>424216
>>424234
I actually love how young the MCs in Cucksader Quest are, I think it helps the players to understand the era better when they're a 14 year old with PTSD.

But I do think that Wilhelm is mature beyond his years in a way that strains credibility. I just ignore the fact he's 19.

>>424507
Dark Spirit Quest is live!

>>424146
>"You stare him in the eye with an intensity that visibly shocks him, modern social awareness giving you an audacity these people aren't used to"
I'd like to analyze this more.

Why is it that 'modern' people, who are glued to screens and borderline autistic have more 'social awareness' than people from a time when the only entertainment you could get was talking to people or drinking and talking to people or fucking cattle?

And why would a sheltered modern child have more audacity than people that are considered an adult at the age of 12? The Medieval era was basically run by angry/horny teenagers which explains why it was such a clusterfuck.

>>424545
I think the idea was that smallfolk have an ingrained cultural sense not to mess with their betters.

Despite being a commoner, since Isaac was from the future he's not going to shy away from punking a noble.

now that does happen in A Song of Ice and Fire, but only during times of starvation and strife.

So imagine being taught you're better than these losers your entire life and every time you meet one they go 'm'lord' and cast their eyes downward.

But this one time one of them just stares you in the face and says you're a fag.

It might take you offguard for four seconds before you draw your sword and gut the filth.

>>424563
Don't all the soldiers and mercs come from peasant stock anyway? They're not exactly a samurai caste

Kinda want to run a classic 1800's vampire quest.

Whole gothic air to it, werewolves, crazy fucking catholics, the whole shebang

But I don't want /qst/ to shit on it for following that style

>>424645
I don't see where you'd have problems other than with smutfags

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>>418634

Come join You Awake in Westeros Quest!

We just pissed off the Wall with Tyrion.

You know you want to plaaaaaaaaaaay~~

>>424509
Oh my god. Is crusader quest still running? It's been years since I saw an active thread. Are based Wilhelm and Hugo still the protagonists?

>>424927
It ran like two days ago. It's still on /tg/

>>424927
Yes but Mathilde is actually the best protagonist

>>424936
HF is suffering from the curse. His writing is exponentially better than it was when he started, but his life is a mess.

The curse is real.

>>424509
>Wilhelm is 19
Never played the quest, but I always assumed he was in his early 30's just off the top of my head...
Huh.

Im using 4chan on mobile and using the app overchan but it does give me option to use dice
Any good 4chan app that does allow this
I dont like to use internet browser on my phone

>>424936
>>424938
DEUS VULT

>>424955
Maybe Chanu, but it's kind of poor.

>>424969
>>424969
>>424969


Beleaguered Prince Quest is up again. It starts with another group date. Shocking, I know.

>>424965
Thanks i will give it a try

>On the flip side, what causes you to immediately disregard a quest in the catalog and move on?
When it's already at a high thread number. I don't want to go back and read 50 threads to know what's happened so far.

Not done withe the review yet, but here's something pertaining to Velo Quest I'd like to share:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdR_t5nsZqI

2:15 and onward is a good explanation of Velo vs Trick drama following Trick's takeover in thread 3.

starting again, trying to make up for my absence last week

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>Always wanted to run a quest
>Start running
>People aren't interested on it
>''Well, maybe I can advertise on the general!''
>Nope
>Everyone is shitting on some dude named Velo
>Drop it

I mean, I can change the OP pic, the title and the color scheme, hell, even the style in general

What do you do when your quest needs attention?

>>425461
>What do you do when your quest needs attention?

You could stop running it for a bit then come back after a month or two. It might not be appreciated now, but later on people might be in the mood for it.

>>425461
>chargen
>You main schtick is that the looks, no indication of plot or theme
>openly admitting that you're still doing chargen and not seeing that maybe you should switch tactics
>complaining first before asking
>Is this....the second thread? No indication of past threads to know context

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>>424645
I'd play the hell out of that kind of quest

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>>425497
Welp, I have some stuff to do, I guess I could follow your advice
>>425503
I'm not even mad, you're right
I should forget about the pretentious computer/animus garbage, it seems like the right thing to do
Cheers babe

Well, Im gonna fix some stuff, and hopefully, I'm gonn run this shit next week

That's what I get for not asking QUESTions

>tfw all my regular voters vanished
what did i do wrong?

>>425562
I believe in you, Carlnon

>>425583
maybe it's because you didn't put the quest title when you linked here?

Is this the normal time you run?

>>425594
>didn't put the quest title when you linked here
would that really make a difference?

>Is this the normal time you run?
Yeah, I usually start around 7 PM EST

>>425617
Some people put the quest title and one-liner summaries when they link on qtg. Also image.

Efficacy is questionable, I don't know if anyone's run the numbers or anything.

>>425627
So should I just say 'fuck it' and update with one vote?

>>425653
ehhh....yes.

There will be times where it will be the wrong move, but more often than not it shows you've got dedication.

I'm just not sure this advice applies when magical girls is a relatively tapped topic. Usually it's for niche stuff.

>>425653
Yeah, I've done updates from one loyal vote.

>>425653
Rewarding loyalty shows anons that they can trust you.

>>425653
From my limited experience I'd say yes.

>>425562
>pretentious computer
oh and I never said that was the bad part.

I mean, I explicitly said
>Your main schtick is the looks, no indication of plot or theme
and the computer thing was the closest thing you had to hinting at any sort of plot. Really, that means I was sorta encouraging it, no?

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>>425731
>Rewarding loyalty shows anons that they can trust you.
>tfw betraying the expectations of the 2-3 people who are waiting for my quest to continue by not doing shit for months

>>425793
I'm really sorry, I wanted to have a ''lot decision'', where players could pick their own plot/adventure

It's my mistake for confusing a quest from a CYOA

>>425831
...ah. Well. I see. That's different.

Hangon, but even CYOAs generally already have plots. The young adult novels certainly have set plots/adventures.

Well if you meant the CYOAs you see on tg, I guess I can see what you mean. You'd probably get more people if you advertised it as just that, then.

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>>425838
Maybe one day I'm going to make a CYOA for /tg/

My master plan was to let the players pick an adventure, then DELETE the computer bullshit and play that adventure

Now that I think of it, I could make a CYOA, use it as an OP picture, post the stats and run it
But then, stats are kind of a pain in the ass to read, so...Should I?

>>425461
What's your quest? Would you mind if I reviewed it?

>>425853
It's shit, dont
Besides, I'm still on char creator, it hasn't even begun

>>425852
>stats are kind of a pain in the ass to read
if you are angling for the kind of players who want a CYOA, I don't think stats would be a pain for them.

I finally pulled out a quest that anon enjoyed, and I'm fucking happy about it. I'm doing my best not to think too far ahead but it's hard guys, it's hard.

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>>426045
Congrats brah.

>>424645
That would be fun.

>>424210
wait, am i missing something here? you already posted all this

>>426280
It's for those who wasn't there last thread?

Anyone know what's up with the Haremhorn quest? I thought it was a cute setting - it's not my cup of tea to play, but the story reminds me of those cute old Touhou CYOAs with Cirno.

>>426304
It died a natural death (lack of participation)

>>425853

Do Joker Quest. That's one of the long-runners.

The QM always writes the same type of male QMC, though. The close-mouthed, mature badass. Doesn't matter the setting, it's always the same archetype.

Unless it's the smut Quests he may or may not have written, where the female QMCs are the biggest cheating whores ever.

>>425853
I would be interested to hear what you think of Mecha Space Pirate quest, the qm is actually a really good writer and does excellent character work

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Hello gentlemen,

I have been pondering lately if perhaps there is a general structure with which we can map the whole structure of questing.

In stories, there is an established storytelling structure of setup, conflict, climax, and resolution. Within the confines of this structure, there are elements such as plot, themes and motif, mood, metaphor, and setting. Well structured stories usually have a premise which, not to be confused with setting, is the idea that is conveyed to the reader over the course of the work. Furthermore, there is a whole art to the pacing and framing of a story. A powerful and thrilling story is possible because the writer can structure it with these things in mind.

Quests are some kind of fusion of story and game, and has to have both a narrative structure and a way for players to interact and engage with the story. This opens the floodgates to a bunch of issues, including railroading, inconsistent MC, and troll decisions.

Railroading is when there is disbelief in the fact that players can interact and engage in the story.

Inconsistent MC comes from the fact that there is a disconnect between the MC and the players, meaning that the MC will make decisions that make no sense in the context of his developed character and situation.

Troll decisions are self-explanatory. The quest is ruined intentionally by assholes.

Just like how there is a structure to storytelling, and to some extend a structure to game design, can we establish a structure for questing? When something in a story is wrong or immersion breaking, it usually breaks some principal of narrative. When a game is really bad, we call it bad game design. When a quest is railroading, or the MC makes terrible decisions, or when the quest becomes derailed by trolls, is it possible to cite principals of "quest design" to explain these failings?

I ask you, /qst/. What are the principals of good quest design?

>>425853
Do you do reviews even if the QM doesn't personally ask?

>>426386
That's a good point, and I agree with basically all of those points you've made.

The only problem is that I can't answer that question on the principles of good quest design, because I'm not the analytical sort. When I run, I just end up doing whatever feels right or feels wrong, and I can't put a finger on exactly why I'm doing it.

>>426435
I sure hope not.

I'd lose all my Questers in a flash.

>>426386
I honestly have no idea what I'm talking about, but I can throw some stuff out there.

You need a properly characterised main character. They can't just be the players' avatar into the world, with little personality but what they've made.
Yet you can't have the character be defined entirely by the QM. Their personality should change and grow to fit the players, as the quest goes on.

Choices need to be meaningful and, generally, final.
If a choice is relatively inconsequential, then it should still be used to move the plot along, or mixed in with another vote. A quest needs to have strong pacing, else your players will get bored and leave.
Many quests open with some form of character generation.
Too many of these are boring.
Rather than opening with a block of text and asking your players to choose a name, race, age, height, hair colour, eye colour, weapon, class, spell list, occupation, etc these choices should be spread out through a quest, and blended in with the story. Your quest opens with a fight, and the first vote determines the main character's weapon. Afterwards, a character asks their name, and where they came from. The quest continues on like this, sprinkling character generation throughout rather than dumping it on your audience all at once.

One thing a lot of new QMs seem to overlook is the OP image.
You need one that catches the eye. Especially here on /qst/, where there's a fuckload of other quests. You need something with an easily discernible thumbnail and/or strong colours. Having your quest's title somewhere in it helps - again, at a size readable from the thumbnail.

I can't say I know much about dice, but don't fucking use Bo3 1d20 with crits, for christ's sake. If you need a simple system, use Bo3 1d100, with or without crits. It's much more reasonable.
Also, know how your dice work. I can't recall whether this is in the pastebin or not, but http://anydice.com/ is a great site.
If you don't know your probabilities, you won't be able to set reasonable DCs.
If you can't set reasonable DCs, your players will either be failing or succeeding more than they should and your quest won't be as fun.
If want to do something slightly more interesting with your dice, look into Soma's Bo3 3d10 system, and Fall Guy's Combat Chain system. Or read some TRPGs and copy a system you like.


I could probably write more but I'm not even sure if what I have is useful.
Still, here it is.

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As this is where announcements are supposed to be made

Shipgirl Commander XVI is up @

>>426535
>>426535

>>426386
The problem is that there is no single "quest design". You have categories, genres, that cater to particular spreads on agency and discussion.

Agency is how much control the players have over either the MC or the narrative as a whole. Too much leads to Inconsistent MC, a plot that has lost meaning or choice paralysis. Too little is Railroading, and QM burnout.

QM Burnout is when a QM loses the drive to keep questing. This is often the case when they cannot maintain the level of content they input, and have not found ways to "refresh" their creativity through player choices/discussions or other means.


There would at best be Good Quest Templates, each according to how serious or how much is expected of both players and QMs, and by what means they are to contribute.

Some quests have players that post pictures as possible references for characters, or reaction images to convey their emotions.

Others spend lengthy periods discussing short and long term plans in order to plot a course of action.

You also see people discussing over what direction they want the MC to take, or who they would prefer to interact with or read about. A less kind description would be to call it waifu wars.

Still others discuss the plot itself rather than what choices to actually take. Content with enjoying the ride, as it were, and speculating upon future events.

The rest have little discussion to speak of, players just vote or even just lurk.


You can't have all of these. You WOULDN'T want all of these. Some quests prefer one over the other, and you can design your quest and its choices around each.

Because Good Quest Design dips just a little bit into Designing Communities as well, how to foster an atmosphere according to what's appropriate for the quest.


So narrow it down a bit, yeah? Let's not assume a singular ideal "quest" and start with something more down to earth.

>>426560
Ah, I've been waiting for someone to address this issue.

Look, this is a shout out to anyone who abandoned my quest due to the shitstorm.

It died down, things are calmer, wounds are healing. The story is continuing and nothing has really been knocked off course. You'll like the story, the reveals, the metaplot, the thrills, the upsets, the conquests, the victories.

I promise you will. So come on down to You Awake in Westeros Quest >>418634

>>426560
>So narrow it down a bit
Really good advice!
Concentrate on something and do that without watering down the whole experience and trying to do everything at the same time.

>QM Burnout
So true.

Played an interesting quest a month ago, only few other players joined in regularly, QM burned out silently, never returned. (Chromescore)

It's important to tell QMs that their effort is appreciated. Recognition helps against Burnout at least a bit - works at the workplace, works anywhere.

>>426629
>shitstorm
First time that steamy sex scenes pushed away anons... :)

>>426481
>Choices need to be meaningful
Truth!

Thinking about situation:
> Talk to X
> Talk to Y
> Eat something
> Look up the sky
When players consistently choose all your choices, then those choices can surely lead to interesting stories/character interaction but they're not meaningful, it's a split QM post...

>character generation
Yeah, that bothers me in traditional roleplay sessions too...

>>426661
Happened to me. Bound to happen to someone else. I got accused of railroading.

They could have just told me they wanted to have a fap at the material to be honest, but they chose to play hardball.

>>424945
>>424509
> Wilhelm is 19
In retrospect I wish I'd started him out at 21 instead.

>>426696
19 thousand years ago isn't the same as 19 now.

>>426704
Dany was 13 in the books when she /lost/ her baby

Don't act like we ain't old as shit already

I'm just here to mention that...

I just had the MC and Houshou (CVL) from my KanColle Quest just sing a duet to John Lee Hooker's Boom Boom

I'm not shilling - I just had to type this out to share that this is probably one of the most bizarre things that I've written.

>>426717

I still don't know why the Hell I chose that song.

>>424645
>>425551


Well I did it - 1800's quest with a gothic tone about an apprentice to a demonologist

Come join, thread one!!
>>426761

>>426763
Planning on running all day to gauge popularity

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>>423255
>When you are in the catalog browsing for a new quest what gets you to click on a certain quest to give it a shot as opposed to just scanning over it?

The OP image affects a lot for me. The quest name/opening post. How detailed the writing is, I'm autistic for detailed writing.

>On the flip side, what causes you to immediately disregard a quest in the catalog and move on?

I've just about had enough of anime quests that are not done by a certain person.

>Has there ever been something you really regret adding into your quest? Did you just roll with the punches or try to find a way to get rid of it?

Two smut scenes.
The first was just me whoring out my fingers for more readers and attention.
The second was smut for the sake of smut that, tonally was a mistake.
Also Stats. Fuck stats and spell levels. Fuck keeping track of it

>>426775
Stats are and will forever be the death of narrative

>>426785
Unless your quest is very game-y of course

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>>423255
A look at the MC.

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>>426763
Meant to link this post -
>>426811
to here

>>426809
Making your quest too gamey comes with a lot of risks, glacial pacing for example.

I mean look at Persona 2129 that died recently. At the pace it was going it would have taken 4+ IRL years to get through it cause it was trying to be like the games too much.

>>426816
The same goes for Civs too.

I will never understand why novice QM's think making up 79 different arbitrary numbers to represent stats and resources and population that will never become relevant. It chokes up the entire thing and makes it boring and a spreadsheet game.

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If anyone's interested, LGA2 is running today hopefully at 3PM EST.

Hope to see people there.

>>426696
It was fine at the start, but we're now a big power player and it'd be nice to have been just a little bit older.

Maybe the timeskips could have been longer but it's not really a big problem.

Is there still interest in the Ironborn House created earlier this month?

I'll be able to run in about 1h or less for about 4 to 5 hours with a small break in between to grab something to eat.

>>426858
>Ironborn House
The one about fighting bandits and returning some wayward regiment that ran away? Yes! I'm still interested.

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>>426560
>The problem is that there is no single "quest design". You have categories, genres, that cater to particular spreads on agency and discussion.

Then perhaps it would be beneficial to develop a nomenclature which describes a quest's degree of agency and discussion? At the very least, such a nomenclature would let players know what kind of quest they are in and hopefully reduce toxicity.

There are elements like >>426481 described, which tend to appear in every quest. There is chargen, and meaningful choices, pacing, presentation, and dice. However, I do agree and feel that these things take on a different kind of significance which varies depending on player agency.

I agree that Quest Design does dip into Designing Communities as well, but I think that only makes it more important that we have a general understanding of quests and that may involve understanding how quests with low agency and high agency differ.

My personal guess is that it is the difference between playing a game and listening to a story. Meaningful choices in a low agency quest may simply mean revealing significant plot twists or information that functionally only foreshadows and shouldn't be something the QM throws away his notes over. In a high agency quest, dice may end up being a serious problem because, if they're required, they can take away agency from both the players AND the QM. There are a lot of quest elements that can be addressed this way.

This distinction is important, because there are many QMs who run quests which have the illusion of choice, but actually do not have high agency. This leads to a lot of toxicity among players, who are yelling railroad. This might be connected to waifu wars in some way as well, but I'm not sure.

One thing I am sure of though, is that QMs should, on principal, be honest about what kind of quest they are running. Because good quest design must have something to do with community, honesty must be important. I also think that the way QMs conduct themselves speaking to players is important as well. In general, they shouldn't give anything away or show themselves as being emotionally affected by player choice. But this is just what I think.

>>426890
I think a good way to come up with this kind of guideline is to look at which quests are considered successes or well liked and see what they have in common.

Compare that with quests considered bad or hated, and you'll have an idea of what quests shouldn't be like. I think we have plenty of examples here, with many young quests dying due to lack of support for several reasons, some including lack of effort or just lack of interest.

>>426884
>>426908
Let's see If I remember how to do this thing.

>>426890
>There is chargen, and meaningful choices, pacing, presentation, and dice.
that is exactly what I'm talking about: there isn't a single best way to do all of those in combination.

For most of the things >>426481 describes, I agree, but there exist quests that in their very structure require a different approach to many elements.

Chargen doesn't have to exist, especially in the form of "pick which of these powers to retroactively gain".

There are elements that appear in a LOT of quests. Not most, but a lot. And these elements are tackled in different ways according to what's appropriate. Things like choice TECHNICALLY apply to all, but the width and breadth of the topic means that you won't ever cover it in its entirety, not unless you are running different types of quests at the same time.


>nomenclature
so yes, that would be actually pretty great. I guess I just feel that the concepts are easier to grasp if we start off with a practical case study and figure out which important nomenclatures to expand on from there.

>QMs should, on principal, be honest about what kind of quest they are running.
I agree.....98% of the time. It's weird. There are times when the QM definitely writes as if there is an important genre shift about to happen, and you are engaged simply to find out what that twist is, then afterwards decide if you want to keep going.

Cosmic Watcher, are you Review Anon from months past or a new reviewer? If new, I will be inviting you to review my tedious and lengthy terrible piece of fanfic schlock because I enjoy a dressing down and examination of where I need to improve.

>>426304
Which of the three?

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>>416863
>>416863
>>416863
HGQ is live again!

>Isn't this Velo review the same as the other thread?

I was trying to make the total review a coherent slam piece, because there's a lot of fun things to slam. But I see the point. My time would be better spent getting on to other reviews

QUESTS REVIEWED:

1. Hitmaid Quest
2. Velo Quest
3. The Island Quest

THE LIST:
1. Hero Guardian Quest (Review withdrawn by request of author)
2. Dark Spirit Quest
3. Paladin of Avalon Quest
4.Undead Quest
5. Northern Beasts Quest

So Dark Spirit Quest is next. Paladin of Avalon might be bumped down the list and Northern Bests moved up because of length and time,

Does anyone have a link to Dark Spirit Quest?

>>427036
I am not Review Anon. I am the anon whose horrible sigil magik Scooby-Doo fanfic quest probably killed him, and now I makes these reviews out of penance.

What is your quest? Do you have a link?

I am also doing private reviews for quests on the discord for QMs that request it.

>>426435
I was strongly considering it because as Harlan Ellison said writers have to have thick skin. But I've had enough QMs ask me not to publicly pillory them that I'm only going to do either ancient dead QM quests or quests QMs ask me to do.

>>427155
You should cut Paladin of Avalon entirely, because it's not English as the original language. The writer would never actually end up seeing the review.

>>427155
Do you have like a pastebin of your completed reviews? These are comedy gold.

>>427155
HGQ got withdrawn?

That's suspicious.

>>427155
Here's the link to the archives:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=oscuro
The last thread so far is (#7) >>424507. Though it will be continuing later on today.
Anticipating your review warmly.

>>427162
I'll get one.

>>427166
The QM seems to be very sensitive about criticism. I was 4 threads in and so far it was shaping up for a DO NOT RECOMMEND. I aired my concerns in discord and he asked me to give him a private review instead of a public one.

I don't know. Maybe it got great after the 4th thread? If I wasn't reviewing it thought I would have dropped it out of lack of interest.

The point is I will be reviewing it privately with the QM. There will be no public review of HQG. Dark Spirit Quest is next.

>>427214
Thank you for a link

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>>427229
It's less about me being sensitive about criticism and more that I don't trust your ability to review it properly. Just an opinion. Don't take it so hard. We all still enjoy your reviews.

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LGA2 is gonna run soon on /tg/ if anyone's interested

>>427155
I'd like to add my quest to list if possible:

>>413735

Always looking for ways to improve, so suggestions and criticism is much appreciated.

>>427229
Aw, not bad, bud. Why don't you review mine? I'll let ya sling all the mud that you can at it, no charge. I do, however, request one thing:

Skip the sex scenes.

No, please. I regret them with all my fiber and shouldn't have indulged. Please skip them.

Or don't.

Although, I don't take any responsibility for you wanting to punch me in the face personally after.

>>427241
I believe he reviews much better than the book reviewers, game reviewers that you see published all over Youtube. I'm ultimately thankful he doesn't drop into a number pad and actually recommends things and recommends things that the QM could use to get better if he does find a gist for it.

Plus, he doesn't try to be funny. He goes it court by court.

Also "We enjoy your reviews, but I don't trust your ability to review mine properly".

What's so hard about "I player X Quest, I enjoyed it/I didn't enjoy it". You can't be so sensitive about a little net fun.

>>427229

Honestly, I didn't like it too much either. Felt like the moral was hit home with all the subtlety of the sledgehammer, and the choices/plot balance was skewed.

That said, I was completely happy to just scroll through for all the cute pictures.

>>427270
I thought the first two threads were good. What's happened since?

>>427155
I do not use discord as of yet, and I will take my criticism in the public eye. I had a review done before by review anon but I always seek additional perspectives.

I am Artemis and I run Eclipsed Moon Quest.

Here is the archive link.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Eclipsed+moon

>>427268
I'm guessing that his problem with Cosmic reviewing his quest is that it very much is the kind of thing that Cosmic doesn't exactly seem to mesh with.

Or at least that's my opinion after seeing Cosmic's comments on it in the discord as he was reading it, I could be completely wrong.

>>427268
I personally didn't have a problem with the first sex scene you wrote. And the only issue I had wit the second one was the specific fetish Nagato wanted to try. But it wasn't a big deal for me anyway because I showed up long after you had already posted the pastebin.

>>427352
>>427268
>sex scenes in a boat grill quest
Just kill me

>>427155
>Sticking to only doing reviews if the QM asks
Dammit. our shy vampire is never getting reviewed.

>>427311
I'm curious to see how Cosmic's review compares with Reviewanon's. I remember that one, and it seemed like they had really taken your quest apart (both for the better and worse)

>>427241
>It's less about me being sensitive about criticism and more that I don't trust your ability to review it properly.

We can let the others draw their own conclusions.

>Don't take it so hard

Believe me I'm not. I'm already working on the next review. I'll get to your private review when I have time.

>>427255
Adding it to the list right now.

>>427270
> Felt like the moral was hit home with all the subtlety of the sledgehammer, and the choices/plot balance was skewed.

Basically the problems I had with it.

>>427288
I sort of want to talk about it but I'm not supposed to you know?

>>427270
Oh hey! I haven't seen you in awhile!

We're still not on the train yet. Sorry about that. My quest competes with glaciers for speed.

>>427311
Adding to the list as well! It seems really large so it might take some time for me to get to it.

>>427268
Added as well!


>Although, I don't take any responsibility for you wanting to punch me in the face personally after.

Oh boy what did you do?

>>427329
I don't like super anime stuff. But there was quite a lot of things I had problems with that had nothing to do with anime cliches.

Let me put it this way. I hate Rom Coms. But even I know It Happened One Night is a great movie. I don't like Rom Com cliches. But if the film is good I can look past it being a Rom Com.

So yes, I don't like teenage wolf girls struggling to contain their inner fire monster spirit with a sword bigger than they are. Did I not like HGQ because of this? No. Could I have liked it in spite of this? Yes.

>>427371
>Oh Boy What Did You Do
You're asking the right questions

>>427363
In my completely solid defence the second one was very 50/50 on my part on the desire to post, but I was strong-armed into it by hooten-nannies.

>>427371
Hah, so does mine!

Seeing I'm basically running a roleplaying quest where each anon is playing a unique character, and interactions between characters are important, it takes a long time per turn.

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>>427388
If the characters have sex again, just post this pic

>>427367
Exactly. I to this day appreciate Review Anon's dissection of my work. It helped highlight both strengths and weaknesses that I could address in the current project, and other issues that will have to be set for future quests.

CAST BLOAT among them.

>>427371
Could you add http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Devaronian
to your review list? I wanna know what I can improve on before I consider making a new quest. I just want some hard-hitting honesty because my friends aren't giving me much.

>>427371

Mind adding Shinobi Quest if you haven't already?

Wargle has said yes to getting a review.

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STRUCK IN AN RPG QUEST

THREAD 1 REVIEW

WRITTEN AS IT IS READ

STARTING WITH GOOD FEELINGS:

Was reading Dark Spirits, but I feel drained on straight fantasy stuff and I don't want that bias to sink into the review, so I'm reviewing this quest because I want to start a quest with good feelings. And the premise gives me nothing but good feelings.

I wore out a VHS of Tron when I was a kid, my first AOL screenname was RebootBob, I cried because I couldn't figure out Digimon World for the PS1, and I have fond memories staying up late on a bean bag watching Dot.Hack SIGN on cartoon network. I'm naturally a sucker for "trapped in a video game" stuff.

Swords Arts was garbage though. Just getting that out there.

So I feel pretty good going into this quest. We're the cliche pimply faced nerd who hates school and bullies. A shady corporation sends us a virtual boy to test and we find ourselves stuck in an RPG. You know this setup.

I started HGQ with good feelings. Barefoot wolf girl nature spirit tomboys with childish energy and red eyes and short white hair appeal to me on so many levels.

It didn't last long. Let's see how this quest does.

CHARACTER CREATION

We have some kind of seizure putting on the helmet but remain disturbingly calm when we wake up inside the game. Shouldn't we be demanding to be let go? Freaking out as we can't move our physical body? Asking the machine to call 9-11?

We just had a seizure and we're acting more put out than terrified. "Well, whatever. There's probably one of these exit points near the beginning of the game. Might as well make a character".

For all we know our hair is on fire back in the real world. Now is not the time to play a game.

What should have happened is either have us character gen and explore the game THEN find out we're trapped or have us go through a freak out, realize our helplessness, and then character gen.

This way isn't working.

Our name is selected as Bob "The Suspense" Pooper.

You don't have to listen to joke votes. That's our name for the rest of the quest. Bob Pooper.

It didn't have to be this way.

RACE SELECTION

We get our choice between human, Elephant man (as in an elephant, not I AM A HUMAN BEING), a chimpanzee mosquito thing and a mole monster.

Wouldn't the character gen have information on all these werido races? It really should. Names at least?

We pick human and then have a bunch of standard RPG classes to pick. You know, even Final Fantasy had Blue and White and Black mages and stuff like Dragoons. Nethack had cavemen and samurai. Where's the flavor?

How far in the beta is this video game? Have they not hired writers?

We pick wizard and spawn in the game randomly for bonus XP.

We are still only mildly concerned about that whole "virtual boy gave me a seizure" thing.

ADVENTURES IN THE DIGITAL WORLD

So this isn't a serious quest. I get that. Our name is Bob Pooper and our first spell summons a geodude. As in the pokemon.

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Whirlpool Quest returns in a little over 24 hours.

>>428219
>I cried because I couldn't figure out Digimon World for the PS1,

Yeah, that game was confusing without a guide.

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Velo here with the last post ever - not going to be running quests with this trip, bored with the stigma and my players are worse

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>>428251

Fuck you.

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>>428251
See ya

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>>427033

One thing that still bothers me is the whole affair of a premise in quests.

A premise is a core statement of a story. Slow and steady wins the race. Good will always triumph over evil. Foolishness leads to death, and wisdom leads to happiness. Power corrupts and destroys relationships. Love means never having to say you're sorry. Anything that works as a one-liner in the middle of the climax probably works.

The reason a story can resonate strongly with an audience is because a premise can resonate strongly with an audience. But a premise can only be articulated metaphorically through a story if the writer structures it that way and supports the premise through the events of the story.

But does that mean that a quest cannot have a premise unless player agency is removed? Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Quests can have shades of agency, and dramatic ambiguity about what can and cannot be changed in the story. A common problem in a lot of modern media is actually the lack of, or the pretending of a premise. You see this in soap operas and formulaic movies and TV shows. They can be "fun", but you can't really feel immersed or take these shows very seriously unless you just want to be upset about them, which is not necessarily bad. But I believe this is the difference between competent and hackish writing.

How does a QM run a quest with agency WHILE maintaining a premise? Are all quests in which the players truly affect the narrative doomed to be cheesy and lukewarm?

>>428251
Who are you supposed to be?

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>>428251
You have doubts, about something you did. Regret, anguish, disillusion, bewilderment. What wonderful gifts they are. But now, you are lost, bewildered by your own actions. You poor little thing. But if your heart is yet sincere, your sins will be forgiven.

>>428294
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>428294
Quests are structured similarly to RPGs, and RPGs rarely have a premise without a railroading cunt of a GM who is trying to tell a specific story but doesn't have the wits to write a book.

>>428294
>How does a QM run a quest with agency WHILE maintaining a premise? Are all quests in which the players truly affect the narrative doomed to be cheesy and lukewarm?
I'm not really sure why you're assuming that one leads to another!

>>428294
I don't think that's what a premise is, a premise to me is a brief synopsis on the basic surface plot. "We fight infected beasts in the arctic wastes.", "You play as a self-insert in Game of Thrones.", "It's like Waterworks except you're Slick instead of Connie.", and so on.

>>427155
Would you be willing to review DLQ?

>>428219
I'm really really really not feeling this world. It is the driest setting you can imagine. You'd think we'd try to explore the "game" part of the world. See where the world walls are or how detailed the towns are or how advance the NPCs are AI wise.

For all we know we're talking to living thinking artificial beings. And that doesn't interest us in the slightest.

I think trying to Turing test the NPC would be a hell of a lot more exciting then killing things to level up and then talking to an Elephant Man trying to sell us "the real shit" "pace powder" because "sheitttt nigga this stuff is for real".

No seriously. That happens.

I'm sure its funny to some people.

THE PLOT THICKENS. AND CRACKS.

We do boring RPG stuff until we meet "Lelogas the Elf" (seriously).

He lays out that we're basically in Sword Arts. There are 1000 players trapped in the world and we are only one of many. Only "RealOG123" has ever escaped the world. But sometimes an exit opens up in the dungeons and everyone rushes to get to it.

The QM does a Narnia thing which makes the plot holes of the SAO premise easier to swallow. Time moves slower in the game. Legolas has been in the game for six years and its only been a day outside.

Okay. Someone managed to find how to overclock human perception to an insane level. That's not even going into the technology needed to generate a virtual reality that can manage a world in which 6 years pass for every normal day.

And they use this technology. To make a video game. To torture people.

So it makes sense why the outside world can't help. They're moving in slow motion. But you plug one plot hole several more spring up like cracks in a dam.

Just imagine the logistics behind what has happened to these 1000 people. Any pretense to seriousness or reason is out the window.

>>428321
What's that? It better be good. I'm starting to break here. I need a good quest.

>>428219
Oh cool I've been bumped up. Btw, just a heads up I forgot to archive one of the threads of suptg, so you'll have to use this link: http://archived.moe/qst/thread/302355

(I don't know if the quest will keep your interest long enough to get there, but the link is there anyway)

>>428321
Wait don't you already have Observer as your private fellatio- I mean reviewer?

>>428251
What?
>my players are worse

>>428231
Imagine being 10 year old me. You just want a Greymon. Like the show. Even a Garurumon would be nice.

You keep getting Numemon after Numemon. It's basically the games way of saying fuck you.

Imagine the rage.

And that's not even getting to the Monochromon minigame...

>>428321
Don't worry senpai. I got you. I'll review your quest.

>>428318
>"We fight infected beasts in the arctic wastes.", "You play as a self-insert in Game of Thrones.", "It's like Waterworks except you're Slick instead of Connie.", and so on.

No, that is a setting. A setting is the when and where, and it is the contextual basis in which the narrative is told.

The premise is what you are saying. People say that there are no new stories, and that storytellers simply tell the same stories in different ways. What that actually means is that people tell the same premise with a different setting.

>>428342
I'm told it's good, but my fans also get referred to as Voxsuckers so take that as you will. You'll find the archive here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Dungeon%20Life%20Quest

Premise is simple enough: a wrongfully exiled necromancer finds herself inconveniently immortal.

>>428346
More perspectives are always valuable. It's hard to improve without criticism.

>>428369
A CHALLENGER APPROACHES

It's all good. Go ahead. I doubt I'll get to it anytime soon.

>>428374
Yeah. "A group of friends fight supernatural evil" could mean Dracula or It. "A man finds himself stranded in a strange world" could mean Velo quest or Samurai Jack.

>>428369
Badass, I look forward to it!

>>428342
>I'm starting to break here. I need a good quest.
At least one of the quests that are currently on your list is good. Just keep up the good work, sempai.

>>428390
Goddamit Vox you better listen to those critiques.
I've been reading all your stuff, so don't disappoint me on this, you hear me?

Some people told me that you don't listen to critiques so I expect you to set an exemple.

>>428361

I totally felt the same.

Though I kept getting something else. I don't think it was Numemon.

It all depended on the name you gave it, I think.

>>428433
I do my best. I had a chunk there for a bit where two segments suffered from the same problem but the current bit is going rather well, I think. Thanks for the read as well, my friend.

>>428294
I get what you're saying. What do you do when you have a quest with a premise and the anons are making choices that effect that premise?

I don't think you have to remove player agency. You just have to make sure the anons grok you and what your quest means.

Like in my own Sibella Quest everyone knows the theme is trust through adversity. There's vampire faction vs Catholic angel faction drama. The anons know they're going to get shit from their archangel boss if they don't interrogate the vampire princess. They know pussyfooting around with the questions is going to lead to problems. They accept these things rather than try to derail. They know they're going to have to struggle and work to make both factions of the story work together because that's the theme of the game.

So because they know this is the theme I don't get "I abandon the Catholic Church and become a vampire" requests or "I beat up the vampire prince until he leaks the plot details to me". They know the MC wouldn't do these things. And because they know my premise and theme remain strong.

>>428455
Thank me when you're done reading that review and drawing lessons from it.
I prefer actions to words, you see?

>>428251
Wait, is this another one of your jokes, Velo?

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Been thinking about trying out a symbiote quest here soonish

As someone who doesn't "write" on 4chan is there anything out there like a plugin or something that makes it more comfortable?

>>428562
notepad's good

>>428562
Damn granny, just start shlicking in front of him. I'm sure that's way scarier then anything he could do.

>>428515
>Joke
No, the joke was over a long time ago.

>>428251
You know, everything you've done since being exposed has just made you more and more of a meme. This is no exception.

>>428662
For a split second, I looked at the ID colors and I thought it was Velo again.
Nice try anon, you got a chuckle out of me.

Dieselpunk Magical Girls is starting once more right here:
>>417871

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>>428458

I apologize for not following your quest and knowing these things, but what did you do to establish this with your players?

>>423397
Some of the players in that were absolute FAGS

>>428693
If your writing is decently strong, I think players want to fit the role you create for them. It's certainly fun to influence narrative, but a large part of playing a quest is being engaged and interested in where that narrative is going; If your players feel potential in your writing, they'll play your game.

There will obviously be deviations that any QM wouldn't expect, but that's a result of the players trying to explore the narrative before them, and it is then up to the QM to keep the world fluidly moving in response.

I believe that people who want to see a narrative burn are the minority, and that if your players show little to no interest in the role you've created for them, then that is a telling sign of the writer's own inability to engage and create.

I'd be glad if someonw pointed up my fuck ups, don't want to dissapoint anon on my next quest.

>>428777
Your fuck up is to not check em.

>>428816
I've been reading it a few times over, but maybe my perspective is lacking. See, writing is about exposing yourself, but QMing is about the feedback.

>>428849
lurk more

>>428870
Nigga, da fuck's wrong with u.

>>428888
Why the fuck aren't you checking them?

You did it again.

>>428777
>>428888

I think you should leave. I'm embarrassed for you.

>>428777
>>428888
Oh my god he's completely oblivious

Blorp would be proud you assholes.

No get here though.

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For those interested, an update on the Paladin of Avalon is up:
http://anonkun.com/stories/the-paladin-of-avalon/-JRvxJl3loGBg9Bo64XE/26-rise-of-chaos/EgKvFY9PoHMsTcw4J

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Eclipsed Moon Quest Episode 134 finally up. Sorry for the delay...but life and all that jazz.

>>429052
>>429052
>>429052
>>429052

>>429071
>134
Wow that's a lot. I got to say, I don't know what I'm going to say about your quest, I haven't started reading it yet, but its impressive that you've stuck with it for so long. Kudos to you for that alone. You got something you love doing and a fan base willing to follow what you do and that's something to be proud of.

>>428693
Honestly I just talked to them about it. After the first few threads I talked with them about the theme. This is the theme, this is our character, this is our motivation. It sort of came about organically.

The waifu wars (vampire vs guardian angel) never got out of hand and were resolved amicably because we were open about what we felt in character and out of character and I worked to have the characters resolve their drama like adults and friends by talking about it.

Talking about it is key. Talk with your players.

When you have a player base that's on the same wavelength as you magic happens.

>>428722
This is true.

When you got a strong player base they will work with you to make the story have a theme and a purpose. When you have a weak player base they will vote for the MC to kill themselves by throwing themselves off the wall.

>>429081
Player count has waned, sadly. I still do it for them, and out of my own sense of stubbornness. Thank you for the praise all the same.

>some fag who unironically wrote a scooby doo fanfic quest is now trying to be an authority on quest quality
what the fug

>>429174
Link?

>>429174
Never claimed to be an authority or a great QM. I'm just offering my opinions on quests. If you have any problems with what I've written about quests please tell me.

>>429191
Early stuff wasn't archived because I didn't think it was good enough. The latest stuff is here:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Sibella%20Quest

>>429214
Ohhhhhhhh I knew the trip was familiar

>>429174
>Trying to be an authority
Fuck off, he's just giving his opinion on it.

You don't have to be a master chef to know when something you eat is shit.

>>429216
It's not like I've hidden this. I've mentioned it in this thread a couple of times.

>>429174
>>429193
He's got my vote. He let me drag Sun Wukong into a quest.

Though not as much as the person who I'm not sure noticed that I made the main character into genderbent Wukong.

>>429214
Here are the embarrassing google drive archive of the early stuff for people that want to give me a real roasting.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B32Wff8dg015THdJdkdSVGRoLUE

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B32Wff8dg015dHBGVDBmcVVCT0k

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B32Wff8dg015Y0d5NFpZdkdHMVU

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B32Wff8dg015NzZtVHFOU01sWTQ

>>429234
Now I AM hoping my Cape World stuff will be more respectable and serious than my previous quests. I'm seriously trying to make something good with the characters and concept.

So if you want to really get me Baron Bizarre is the quest you want to lambaste.

>>429253
I liked it. The only thing that really got me was the "warmonger general" plotline. I just... Ugh, hate that plotline soo hard.

>>429234
>genderbent Sun Wukong

What quest was this? Because I used to main genderbent Sun Wukong in Marvel vs Capcom 2.

>>429261
He did need to be written better. I wanted a strong normal pushing back against him when he pops into Earth to kind of build up the idea that he doesn't fit in and scares people with what he does and he has to rely on his friends to help cover this "weakness" of his but reading back over it he's just a big caricature.

>>429276
Yours wasn't particularly bad, I hate that plot device in general.

>>429262
"All things are born from the Three positives;
The Truth of Heaven, The Beauty of Earth,
The Essence of Sun, The Splendor of Moon.
Lent a name so that the elixir may complete.
Looking inside, we perceive nothing of the formless,
Outside, we create visible things from our intelligence.
Men have always been like this:
Those who are called kings and sages just do as they wish."
>>424564

>>428703
Hence the shill. When I say roll with the punches, I meant both write-ins and knowing when to okay faggotry and when to put your foot down.

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Shilling Black Company Quest. For any newbies, you've snuck into a town belonging to a swiftly collapsing Empire to secure it with minimal destruction, seeing as your undead Employer would like to rule over -something- when they're done conquering the world.

>>428342
We do some basic generic RPG stuff. We meet Robin the thief and a cleric and forma little party. We kill things and level up.

VERDICT

I give the quest a HARD NO RECOMMENDATION. The tone is inconsistent. The plot meanders. The characters aren't compelling. The setting is dull.

ADVICE

A plot like this needs constant forward momentum. Once we get in the virtual world we need to find to be looking for that way and keep looking for that way out. Once we're told that the only way out comes through a dungeon that rarely appears the momentum comes to a halt and the story comes less trying to solve the prison of the digital world and more settling for it and doing boring generic JRPG stuff.

Instead of fighting and leveling the early story needs to stress discovery. We need to learn about the fiction of the game world, the company that's made it, the programmers, stuff like that. Sense everyone was kind of trapped by surprise it could be interesting to piece together what has happened from rumors-not all of which are true.

The game aspect needs to be stressed beyond letting us summon stats screen and IM-ing our friends. Think exploits, cheats, glitches, and interactions with the AI. That in particular provides an interesting avenue for exploration.

THINGS TO READ

I recommend checking out UBIK and MAZE OF DEATH and EYE IN THE SKY by Philip K Dick, especially UBIK. The stories are about people trapped in artificial worlds and they got everything a quest like this needs-a sense of mystery, a constant building momentum and sense of urgency, people creatively trying to solve and exploit the world, and wonderfully colorful settings.

Spend a long time thinking about the setting and ending to the game before starting it. It'll give the setting color and keep things from becoming meandering and dull. Don't be afraid to have threads where characters just explore and talk. When you're trapped in a world you're going to want to find everything you can about the world right?

How does digital food tastes? What does it feel like to fall asleep and wake up? What happens if a PC tries to disguise themselves as an NPC? Keep these questions in mind when writing.

END OF REVIEW

>>429418

REVIEWED QUESTS

Hitmaid Quest: Light no recommendation

The Island Quest: Hard no recommendation

Velo Quest: Required reading for all QMs

Hero Guardian Quest: QM taps out, tentative no recommendation

Stuck in an RPG Quest: Hard no recommendation

THE LIST (in no particular order)

Dark Spirit Quest
Paladin of Avalon Quest
Undead Quest
Northern Beasts Quest
More Velo/Trick Quests
Shinobi Quest
Wrestle Quest
Eclipsed Moon Quest
Ship Commander Quest
Samsara Quest
Star Wars Scoundrel Quest
Beast Hunter Quest

I think this is all of them? Please tell me if I'm missing a request from the list.

>>429429
>Wrestle Quest
Not Wrestle. Dark Gate Academy.

>>429429
DLQ buddy, we just talked about it and everything.

Why must you toy with my heart?

>>429433
Ah, I fucked up. I'll change it.

>>429436
I'm afraid someone else has called dibs and I don't feel brave enough to cross him.

Alright, listen. I'm biased. Everyone is but my blood runs hot and I'm more biased than most. But my bias is something I'm telling you about so you can cut through the bullshit and my coloring of events/ideas/whatever. What matters is that you know the Vox experience and to judge for yourself whether that would be up your alley.
Dungeon Life Quest is about one Brianna La Croix – a necromancer with a conscience and a long family line of people who do the things that need to be done. The quest begins with her being sentenced to exile in The Dungeon – a conglomerate of many fantastical things with multiple floors descending further and further into the earth. During her exile she quickly discovers that not only is she effectively immortal – reviving upon each death the very next day, but she also is wrapped up in a plot to free The Dungeon from the evil clutches of an organization of individuals with nefarious goals. The quest is mainly focused on her descending to each floor – of which there is 13 – defeating the “boss” of that floor and continuing on until she can eventually free The Dungeon and save the world. The world is very much fantastical and relatively 'low-tech'.
First of all – the writing. It's very well done. Vox is an experienced/professional writer (whatever the worth of that title means to you) and I feel it shows in how he writes in a way to elicit the reaction he wants from his audience. He has written scenes that made me feel disgusted, vengeful, angry, surprised, tense, on-the-edge-of-my-seat, etc. Within the 2000 character limit that is the /tg/ reply window he almost always manages to write something evocative. He's good at coloring within the lines, so to speak. My major point of contention with him in regards to the writing is his dialogue. It is oftentimes more than not “witty”. And that's not to say I don't enjoy his dialogue. Sometimes the snark comes off as genuine or fun – depending on the character. But almost /every/ character has at least some amount of snark. It is a landmine of quips and jokes, one-liners and oftentimes mentions of sex. I think the biggest UGH moment I had with going through this quipocalypse was when some nameless medic girl jokingly threatened to fuck the main character to death if she didn't accept medical treatment. Anecdotal, but fair warning to be ready for cringey moments like that every once in awhile if you choose to delve into Vox's magical realm.

Speaking of magical realms: this is an OC setting. Which means Vox made it himself. There are some pros and cons to that as well. Remember what I said about /every/ character being a bit snarky. Well . . . the Gods, demons, and angels of Vox's setting are also oftentimes snark machines. The one we've heard from the most in the quest is the Lady of Ravens – the Goddess of Wisdom in this setting. And even she seems a bit too . . . /human/. A bit too easy to relate to. All of the Gods, from what we've heard in the quest, seem like just very loud and powerful people – oftentimes childish. And while I understand this to some degree as I believe they're based partially off of the Greek pantheon who had very petulant Gods in their myths . . . something just doesn't click for me. I don't know if it's the fact that it all comes off as samey. The people, the demons, the angels, the Gods – nothing seems alien or foreign. They have a collective cultural understanding that breaks MUH immersion. I mean at one point we called an angel out of the ether to lecture him about how he was a very poor father. An act like that strips away any mystique he once possessed and also humanizes him to such a degree; what is the point of even calling him an angel? The most distinct group of people are honestly the harpies, who Vox demonstrates function much differently from humans. One of my favorite moments of the quest was when Brianna La Croix experienced firsthand how harpy culture was so radically different from her own – to the point where she misinterpreted the meaning of a very significant act.
How The Dungeon functions is also explicitly detailed by Vox as the quest goes on and that adds a lot of impact to how things have negatively changed since the villains have taken over. Every floor works with at least some of the others in some fashion. One layer grows all the food in The Dungeon. One side chamber allows you to exit onto four different floors. One region contains a library filled with oodles of information. And since the takeover by the antagonists all of these sections have been cordoned off from one another. As Bri descends she discovers these pressing issues, like the prospect of a whole floor starving, which adds a personal touch to the idea that there is an urgent need to fix things. The Dungeon breathes and /lives/. It is neither presented as static nor does it feel static.

The characters: There are a fucking lot of them! And since this quest is centered on one location, if they aren't dead (and sometimes, even if they are) you're probably seeing them again. Which is good in a lot of ways and also /bad/ in a lot of ways. Characters don't just disappear after we help them. They stick around. There is a very real desire on the part of the players to not necessarily burn bridges if they can help it. That person you put in charge on /that/ floor may end up being on the war council and have the troops you need to beat the next villain. The downside is that there are /so many fucking characters/! Cast bloat is this quest's middle name. And it has gotten to me. It may not get to you however and I believe as Vox has gone along he has been keeping documents (oftentimes way too out of date, Vox!) that detail many of the characters.
The quest is way too /easy/. And this is where I delve into the game part of this quest. Wait, quests are supposed to be a game? I don't know, but it certainly doesn't feel that way in Dungeon Life Quest. Pick an option, Vox writes it. Does Brianna succeed? Probably. Remember that reviving upon death mechanic I mentioned earlier? Sounds neat, right? I thought so too. That way the main character could fail horribly, die, and the quest doesn't end. It's a great failsafe. Except . . . it never happens. Now, I've dropped the quest somewhere around thread 74 so maybe I'm completely wrong and Brianna has recently died. But as far as I'm aware Vox has been pulling his punches. He won't even kill the MC who doesn't actually die when they are killed because . . . I don't know? It doesn't seem like there are any trap options or options that lead to failure. Maybe we were lucky or smart. Or maybe there is just no chance of failure. I can't really tell you. Maybe Vox was imagining the players would be infinitely more stupid or expect us to choose the obvious >kill yourself options that pop up every once in a blue moon when Brianna is severely injured and death may seem a faster alternative to waiting for recovery, but so far that mechanic might as well not be in place. All it serves is to neuter the villains in their capacity to play offense. Why assassinate someone who comes back to life? The only villain who comes up with a workaround to permanently kill Bri plays softball with it anyway.
So this really isn't a game. It's a story. Interactive fiction to be sure – a true CYOA book with no bad ends that you can only read once. But that bring with it certain issues. Vox seems very quick to find faults with plans that come from write-ins. That makes sense to some degree. This is a product of Vox's mind and as such he knows exactly how everything works better than you or I. But at the same time he neglects the faults in plans that are obvious in the given list of options he presents to the players. His mind seemingly overlooks these issues.

>>429436
Speak of the devil

>>429449

Let me provide an example. At one point Brianna La Croix is trapped in an ambush. And one anon wrote in a suggestion to fire a bolt of necrotic energy into a melee situation. Vox pointed out that this would have a chance of hitting one of Brianna's allies. Now, remember, this is a quest where there are no rolls. You can't hope to “roll high” and hit the person you're aiming for – like in an rpg. Vox, writer and judge, has full control. If he thinks something is a bad idea or has problems it most likely will result in him writing those problems coming to fruition. So the option we went with instead of the firing into melee situation was talking to the person attacking our ally instead. In the middle of an ambush, we struck up a conversation to recruit one of the people ambushing us. And suffered no consequences. This decision actually saved a lot of lives, I assume. Now, I hate to be the person to bring /realism/ into a fantasy story, but that's so . . . flawed of a tactic that could backfire /immensely/. The fact that /that/ plan was flawless but firing into melee was not seems so . . . /arbitrary/. A rules system is a good way to keep /everybody/ from letting their own opinions on tactics or the best way to handle a situation from affecting the narrative. Without a rules system, I might as well choose the options that will end in the best result. Which are probably going to be the options Vox provides. This harms a player's ability to be creative.
And here's where we come to my ultimate recommendation. Do not play Vox's quest. /HOWEVER/, do read his story. What do I mean by this? Participation and player input is just too difficult to accomplish. If Vox had maybe . . . less than ten players? Yeah, I'd recommend joining right now so as to keep his quest alive. But he has dozens of players. And they'll provide him with the votes he needs to keep writing his very interesting, very in-depth story. Vox's creativity is the alpha dog factor in what happens and you can just archive binge and read it all when it's done.

>>429470
>>429460
>>429454
>>429449


BTW I was planning to do this with my trip on but figured a title would be more useful.

>>429470
Excellent. You're touching on some things I've been worried about; will you be here in an hour, hour and a half or so when I can get off this forsaken phone and ask some questions?

>>429475
Sure, senpai.

>>429475
>>429470
by the way, Vox.

That slaying spell; it's less dangerous than the pendant that Nate is wearing, right?

>>429479
Grazi. I know a bit about being a writer, it's the QM bits that get me. My many thanks for the review, and in advance for the questions.

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>>429449
>>429454
> The dialogue thing

Yeah...I've been trying to cut down on that but the problem is that it's how I speak and think, and so do most of the people around me. Grew up with that kind of humor in my family essentially 24/7, especially during bad times, and went through public schooling in a poor town. Got into retail thereafter - you get the idea. It took me awhile to realize I was the odd man out there, which ain't an excuse, just an explanation.

Now it's kinda ingrained into the quest. I'm angling to do better on the next go 'round.

> The character documents
Only death will erase my shame.

>>429460
> Game elements
This honestly is my biggest struggle. This right here. This is what I wanna know more about.

On the one hand, my direct inspirations - MHQ & KCQ - don't use dice and follow the kinda narrative progression I've set out. On the other hand, both of them also have an external logic (videogame statistics, naval tactics) to help provide an idea of choice and consequence, which I've been lacking.

While it's true that I did expect anon to take more risks, to be less cautious, to /tactically die/, they've instead played cautious and smart for the most part. How I envisioned the quest and how anon played it have turned out very differently. I expected a lot more neglect of the surface world once they realized people wouldn't remember Bri, a lot more focus on gathering resources or even direct personal power in the Dungeon. None of that happened.

I'm having trouble as well because while there's choices that lead to those hidden checks or put you at a disadvantage, I'm leery of penalizing them greatly because I don't wanna be that asshole who drops the hammer on you because you couldn't read my mind.

Advice you have on this would be wonderful, my friend.

As for the assassination thing, you missed them switching gears recently. Killing Bri with normal troops might be pointless, but her friends and allies sure as shit stay dead.

>>429470
Thank you, again, for the review and the critique. Could I ask you to expand further on why you discontinued at the point you did, and if you have further advice on the art of presenting choices, suggesting consequences without stating them, and/or handling situations like the firing into melee thing? DLQ is my first and thus far only quest; I've tried to learn from my role models but these are things I'm still struggling with and you're one of the first to lay 'em out so clearly. Any advice you have is deeply appreciated.

On a personal note I'm glad I did the harpies well, I was very much trying to do so. What makes 'em stand out for ya?

>>429678
>I'm leery of penalizing them greatly because I don't wanna be that asshole who drops the hammer on you because you couldn't read my mind.

Give Valen Quest a spin? The QM doesn't like using dice and leaves it up to the players as to how we handle things. If you're looking for a narrative focused quest that hasn't been shy in handling failure, there's likely plenty you could pick up from Riz.

For the most part, anytime we've screwed up has been extremely obvious in hindsight - Which makes the consequences even more crippling. On the other hand, we're also given ample time and clues/warnings to piece things together ahead of time and take advantage of things.

>>429678
>KCQ
I wouldn't use this as the best source for QMing tips.

Planefag gets away with a lot of his shit because he is planefag and people eat his shit up no matter how flaws are in there.

>>429678

The harpies stand out because of the whole quick to violence but not to kill thing, where they're all very hotblooded in a way that wigs out humans. Reminded me a lot of like, a new england person encountering the way Italian Americans yell at each other. There are other quirks I thought were cool, where suddenly Amy is receiving a moral lecture mid-combat because she's using fire during an ambush. Other people just got very like, weirdly upset at the villain's hypocrisy but I think it was cool. Demonstrates that thinking logically or like a robot is not how anybody has ever thought throughout history. Disrespecting traditions always has a tendency to make people very fucking angry. I honestly wish you played up more the rest of the harpies kind of not liking Amy from then on, but that's a minor nitpick.

Honestly my biggest recommendation would be to read more quests. Good ones, bad ones. See what works. Having a dice free system works as long as you make yourself more open to not rules lawyering the players as I see you've done on multiple occasions. Because when the rules are "well this is what works in real life/my fantasy story" it all might as well be random.

I honestly think the best place to drop the hammer was when they decided to fight Talon in a knife/talon fight. I don't understand how Bri survived that. I might have trouble remembering, but you gave them some option to save themselves, correct? Honestly at this point the ramifications for dying seem too severe that it might as well be treated like a QUEST OVER if they pass. There's really not much you can do to fix that at this point other than removing the revival ability via bullshit or lessening the consequences of dying via bullshit. It's not the biggest drawback though because I can't simultaneously complain about this not being a game and also being an easy game.

Sorta like you can't say "this soup was shitty and there wasn't enough of it".

I discontinued reading your quest when Matariel showed up. For the reasons I mentioned earlier about humanizing him too much and also because I just find bringing out the person intent on destroying the planet's dad to lecture him on being a shitty father was a little tasteless and irrelevant.

>>429764
>planefag and people eat his shit up no matter how flaws are in there
Also because he is intentionally antagonistic. He's pretty much 4chan: the QM

>>429767
>thinks he's a big boy bantz master but can't take shit in return
Yeah, sounds about right, definitely 4chan the QM

>>429766
>destroying the planet's dad to lecture him on being a shitty father was a little tasteless and irrelevant.

Yeah what the fuck was that all about?

'This bitch was going to destroy the planet what should we do with her?'

'Let's yell at her fucking dad for some reason and make him out to be the big bad guy even when it was her choices that led her down the path she took.'

>>429766
Thank you again. I do need to get more quest reading done. Gonna take a break after I get DLQ wrapped to investigate some other quests (Valen's been suggested, and Banished Quest for mechanics) before I think about launching into a second.

>>429778
Eh, anon went for it. Lora's thing on it began and ended at being salty as fuck about Matariel blaming her for his wife's death, but Lora's never exactly been the most objective character present.

>>429793
>but Lora's never exactly been the most objective character present.

Yeah, I'll be honest. I figured you weren't the main problem behind that. It's just that Lora is all your player's waifus so they sort of just roll with what she says. It's a weird thing when players randomly decide which characters are objective measures of the truth. It made sense for Lora to be salty as fuck, but then the players latched onto it like it was word of Vox. Even though we weren't even playing Lora's best friend, Brianna.

It honestly wasn't even the worst thing to happen in the quest so I don't want to make it out to be the tipping point or something. Everyone else I know who reads it kept going even if they thought it was weird.

>>429797
>Lora is all your player's waifus so they sort of just roll with what she says.

I've always wondered about this in regards to Questing.

>>429837
It happens sadly. But alot of Vox's players aren't standard questers or 4chan regulars in general so it's a bit extreme over there.

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>>429837
Eh, the situation's a bit tricky too. Lora's...well on the one hand she's pic related and on the other hand Bri's been one of her very few positive connections in a very, very long time. She's the reason Bri got shanghai'd into the plot but she's far from perfect and in point of fact having a consistent habit of fucking up when it comes to other people is how she got in this mess in the first place.

>>429847
So we're essentially back to the plot where "Vagina clouds Decisions. Scientists Baffled"? Like 90 percent of the male realm?

>>418634

Come read my quest there was an update.

>>429873
Yep.

This may be presumptuous, but I sure hope Cosmic isn't sharpening a knife and scouring the webs for information about me because he's just finished reading through my Quest.

So how is everyone today?

>>430777
Well, I accidentally went into work early. But other than that, pretty good.

>>430777

Pretty good.

You?

Can I get an opinion about Left Beyond Quest? Am I doing it right?

Does audit quest still run on /qst/.

Also what happened to the adventures of titmouse, and the skeletal overlord draw quest. And the wizard draw quests.

Where all the draw quests man those are my favorite

>>430785
Well, at first I really liked the summary.

"Ok, this gives me a clear idea of what the thread theme is, what we've done, and where we're going. I feel like I could just jump in!"

And then the system came up.

"Nope, nevermind."

It looks gloriously in depth and interesting. It also looks like I'd need to binge the entire thing and carefully read up in order to be able to process how to act.

That's not a bad thing. It really seems like you've set up an interesting system that your players are enjoying. But, the tradeoff is "hard to join and learn". That's a problem nearly every system has had ever, the more depth, the harder it is to learn. Old as dirt, chess vs checkers.

>>430863

Thanks!

>>430861
To your first question, yes, but it alternates with MAQ. Its next on Larro's list, but he hasn't announced anything yet. So you'll have to twitter watch.

Don't know much about the others, save for Titmouse. Questy just hasn't come back for a bit, so twitterwatching is the best to do there too.

>>430861
I miss HaremHorn.

Leedah a CUTE.

>>426908
A new session is about to start.

>>429174
>Scooby Doo fanfic
>that isn't just an episode of Scooby Doo
Ouch

Since /qst/ is a blue board is there any place on 4chan that supports erotic quest, like straight up porn? I think I've seen a few on /aco/ before but they generally have drawings to go along with them. I might use pics,but it would be nothing I made myself.

>>431020
>Since /qst/ is a blue board is there any place on 4chan that supports erotic quest, like straight up porn?
Just try it anyway.

>>431020
Not really. You'll have better luck on anonkun for straight smut quests.

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Someone help me compile a list of all the "classic"( as in from old legends, i;e vampires via dracula, etc.) mythical monsters for a quest I'm running soon.

> American Man living in 1937 London after fleeing the United States on trumped up murder charges, only a few years before the total onset of world war II.
> Relatively atheistic of an MC, very pragmatic in terms of only looking out for themselves, but isn't a sociopath like so many people try to paint those characters

> MC survives off of doing odd jobs, its a meak living and he hates it, ergo he searches for better paying work, hunting down one of three leads given at the beginning of the quest, one of them being:

> First choice, the drug gangs. Britain may not have an epidemic of drugs like the Chinese Nations, but heroin, morphine, and cocaine are still moving through, making gangs fortunes

Now I don't want this to just be WW2 sim, so there will be a very large amount of fantasy behind the scenes, as supernatural forces have taken to use the chaos of the soon to come war to their advantage - pitting the MC against (or with?) the unknown attackers, pretty much revealing to him a secondary underground world of mysticism. Vampires, Werewolves, Dryads, Nymphs, Magic-Casters, and practitioners of darker paths. Any type of creature will work, Im still brainstorming


Thoughts on the concept?

>>431088
>Someone help me compile a list of all the "classic"( as in from old legends, i;e vampires via dracula, etc.) mythical monsters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:European_legendary_creatures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Medieval_European_legendary_creatures
http://mythicalcreatureslist.com/menu/European

>>431028
Huh, I didn't know that site was a thing, thanks anon.

>>429678
>KCQ - don't use dice and follow the kinda narrative progression I've set out
Railroaded fucking garbage where the options don't tell you what'll happen because they all take you to the same place anyway.

Fuck Planefag and his shit for brains fanbase.

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>>431186
You know there is a problem when 'important' choices come up and 80% of the players don't know what the fuck the options mean cause they get so cryptic and the other anons who understand Planefag's mind (God have mercy on their souls) have to explain what the choices mean to the rest of the players so people can make an informed vote.

>>431269
Most of the time the options are;
>yell like a crazy person
>YELL? LIKE A CRAZY PERSON!
>Naka is mai waifu
Pick one, two or all three!

>>430576
All I know about your quest is that it involves "ship girls"-whatever they are.

I imagine they're like, girls that have some kind of psychic connection to super advance battleships kind of like living computers.

Basically I'm asking WHAT DID YOU DO?

>>430984
I have done things you could blackmail me with if you doxed me.

>>431088
Read Jorge Borges' Book of Imaginary Beings. Its is required reading for anyone interested in folklore and monsters.

>>431281
Who is Planefag and what has he done?

>>431301
> Who is Planefag and what has he done?
A bad writer and Nothing of value

>>431301
They're ships that have gained souls and thus now get human bodies plus their ships' weapons and armor.

>>431301
>>Who is Planefag and what has he done?
He does anime fanfiction with shitty snarky dialog and completely destroys the purpose of the entire concept with his cynical nonsense and tedious murrica fuck yeah wankery. He's an armchair general, pilot, admiral and engineer.

>>431301
Well, in Canon they're just reincarnated warships into bodies of the female persuasion. Not much of a story, really, other than them having tea and falling over themselves over who gets to suck their Admiral's penis.

I just tweaked a little bit of that.

>>431281
While it does get like that in the 'comedy' bits where every thing gets wacky for laughs I was talking more about the serious bits.

Where each prompt is fucking long winded as shit and can be interpreted differently by different people. All the prompts are usually in character too.

Normally that isn't a bad thing, but the MC Settle is insane and such a MILITARY MAN that I can't understand what the fuck he trying to say half the time.

There has been so many times where you see anons going 'I'm not sure what this option means, but it sounds right?'

That's not good quest design.

>>431314
>A bad writer and Nothing of value

It's worse than that. There IS a good writer in there. There is potential. I unironically really liked his 'Battle of LA' thread. But the guy is too much of a faggot to show it.

>>431314
Hate is great though!

>>431365
He is okay in the actual quest but honestly the novelty of 'Angry, snark man' wore off a long time ago for the version that talks to anons in between updates.

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Eclipsed Moon 134 Thread Resumes

>>431370

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LGA2 is up and running.

>>>/tg/48554175

>>431414
Next Starship Idols when Schteel?

>>431364
Exactly, a bad writer.

If you can't treat any creation of your own respectfully by presenting it and yourself in a flattering light, then you are by default bad at whatever work it is, regardless of whatever quality they luck out on.

Shills always lose

>>431383
I was actually discouraged when I saw that there was a KC Quest before I started mine up. Then I read it and realized I couldn't get emotionally invested in the decisions or the characters - I didn't care what happened because I felt they weren't characters or events that were worth knowing.

When you're writing a pure text CYOA, you need your characters to be those you're interested in putting a little investment in. Maybe I'm the wrong person to say it, but I didn't feel that from his work. It felt like a chore to read through rather than an experience.

One thing I give him, though, is that he's consistent with his scheduling.

>>431419
Maybe this week on Thursday or Friday, I'll let y'all know over twitter.

Heck, I can probably take questions about it now if you got them.

>>430884
I can't link from here, but what you miss are the himehorns! Look for Himehorn's Daily Life for Leedah cuteness! =w=

>>431454
Are there gonna be mechanics worked out or will it be a purely narrative quest?

And is the tone gonna be more Idolmaster (focus on the idol career) or more Cyberpunk Idols (an excuse for singing and dancing girls to be operators operating operationally)?

>>431454
Can't you run earlier? You schwabe

>>431339
So they're like...Zentradi with battle ship pieces stuck to them?

Which one is the tomboy?

>>431490
You ever heard of the mecha musume genre? It's basically that.

The tomboy is Tenryuu

>>431468
I might do it in the vein of most of my quests where it's more mechanic-lite. You have to pay attention to narrative stuff, hidden details, sort of like a scout trying to figure out if a guy can hit a curve or not.

As for tone, I originally wanted to have the Idols squarely out of combat and focus on the Idols stuff with the war going on in the background. But I was told that the Quest would be boring without actual combat (and I'm kind of inclined to agree.)

Right now, it's gonna be Idolmaster type of tone with the war treated much the same way as the Starship Troopers movie treated it, satirically.

>>431483
I would if I didn't have a job. It's why I don't run LGA2 on Fridays anymore.

Just went Live and I'm writing

Come join if you give a fuck

http://anonkun.com/stories/in-brightest-day/8PSRMMjBXfZgguGcM/home

>>431504
The tomboys are Arashi and Kiso

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>>431527
What about Mogami?

>>431490
>>431339
What exactly is the conflict of the quest? What do a fleet of giant semi mechanical girls do?

Do they...do they... fight kaiju girls?

>>431541
They're normal-sized girls.