Hiro's Concensus Agreement #1

There's been a lot of ideas spread around the boards with what they want to see changed. Many however seem to be in agreement that the mods are a major issue facing us and that, logically, we cannot and will not be able to receive the change we need because of them.

>>684062

A thread I made, but one that brings up possible ideas, some of which Hiro even came up with

>>684295
>He wants all the boards to agree.

So in other words he set us an impossible task in order to justify inaction.

>>684295
Stop making threads. We know you hate the mods.

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>Nobody on /qa/ can spell "consensus"

By the way, how are board users meant to reach consensus on how boards should be run (a meta topic) if meta discussion is not allowed?

>consensus misspelled twice

c'mon anon

>>684295
>he wants all the boards to come to a concensus
Good luck with that.

>>684295
Isn't it odd that, in OP's pic, his English seems to be normal? Curious.

>>684295
Hiro seemed a little angry in this post. Do you think 4chan's blood is seeping into his?

>>684295
It seems there is a general consensus on the following topics:
1. Some kind of celebrity board
People on /v/ and /tv/ are sick and tired of having (e-)celebrity threads everywhere, so a /cel/ containment board would be appropriate. Some people on /tv/ object this, because they consider celebrity and actor discussion as part of the board-culture.

2. Loli on /trash/
Seems like the fags over at /trash/ consider themselves as /b/-light and thus they want the same rules as /b/. Some Anons don't like this because they feel uncomfortable when they see cartoon kids get fucked in the pooper.

3. /a/ wants wordfilters and stricter moderation, split on non-japanese anime
It seems the only two things /a/ generally agrees on are wordfilters for common shitposting phrases such as cuck, kys etc and stricter moderation such as more bans and deletion of shitposting and pointless general threads.
As always some Anons disagree because they feel like this would hurt the board culture.

>>684386
So basically, theresno consensus here either.
Shocker.

>>684386
On the "split on non-japanese anime"
Many Anons on /a/ don't want non-japanese manga and anime there. However some don't seem to mind while others feel like it actually belongs on the board. Generally, I don't think too many Anons would be butthurt if manwha and whatever get banned on /a/ but I am pretty sure if that happens people are going to ask for a /manwha/ board.

>>684389
You are never going to have a topic everyone agrees on but these three are pretty clear cut.
I just added the objections so Hiro isn't too surprised when people tell him he fucked up.

manga board

>>684312
He wants the boards to agree on what they want to change for them. Meaning he wants to know what /a/ wants changed for /a/, what /tv/ wants changed for /tv, and so on and so forth.

Globally though, most are in agreement that moderation is a massive issue

>>684381
He's knows we're pissed off at everything going on.

>>684386
Right off the bat, we CANNOT add more boards yet. Unless the mods are dealt with, nothing will change. The mods will always be there to fuck up and not do their jobs.

/f/ had enough consensus, however I don't think anyone mentioned /f/ to him in that last thread.

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Gonna copy what I posted from a thread I made over here:

Many people are asking for new rules and some new boards. However, you must understand Hiro that none of this will even succeed in the end, because of just how bad our moderation is. The mods have shown time and time again that not only are they lazy, but that they:

-Will delete random threads that are actually on topic for no apparent reason, such as with /v/.

-Mods are often not even deleting the shitposting on certain boards like /g/ and /o/, instead allowing it to stay up.

-Mods on here are extremely corrupt, such as /tv/'s mod Invisibro aka Swaglord. He is allowing shitposting to happen there non stop, and has actually left up Black Porn, Guro, Bestiality, and even CP for hours on end. He has actually admitted that he finds all of this amusing. The same case can be applied to /co/, where in which the mods there have been known to delete any threads they don't like, including anything critical about certain shows.

-The mods have zero respect towards the userbase, and zero percent towards you as seen with the /tg/ mod. They don't give a fuck about any of us or you, and instead think they're right and we're all wrong. I will be happy to tweet at you proof of mod abuse and corruption, though I believe I already have.

-The mods don't train the janitors. In the IRC logs, the mods admitted that they gave up on training them, and instead sent them out into the field with no guidance or rules to follow.

We, as a imageboard site and as a community cannot begin to implement the necessary changes to our boards and to 4chan unless the moderation is removed completely. I will now explain what we can do to replace the mods.

>>684545
(cont)

In terms of the mods Hiro, I have already explained that the current crop of them need to go, along with the janitors. From there however, we must come up with a way to hire new mods. Some suggestions were raised in the last thread and in order suggestion threads across 4chan.

-Hire volunteers to be the new moderators: This is something you actually suggested, and its honestly the best plausible option to bring in new mods. However all possible candidates will have to be vetted. They must show that they are over 18, have a detailed knowledge about the history and culture of 4chan, and must have had some experience moderating an image board.

-No more Global Mods: What I mean by this is that the current system of Global Moderation does not work anymore. Every time the board gets a new mod who doesn't understand anything about the board he is moderating, it creates a clusterfuck of problems. Instead we should be looking at board specific mods. That means each board will have his own moderators, and they are in charge of that board and that board only. I would recommend we have at least 3-4 mods per board for different hours of the day and such.

-Transparency is a must: For these new mods to be good, we must make them be transparent with the userbase 100% of the time. I would recommend giving each mod a unquie ID that allows the users to track exactly what they have said and who they have banned and for what reasons given. That way we can see if a mod has abused his power, and if he has, the userbase will decide if he to be removed or not.

-More interaction from you: I cannot begin to stress this enough: You need to interact with us more. You bought this site from m00t, and now you know that we need a leader, an admin we can trust will make 4chan great again. You must be that person Hiro

>>684295
Ugh. People trying to interpret Hiro's posts reminds me of how Trump says something ridiculous and then the Republicans all scramble to explain "what he meant."

Why can't we have an admin that explains himself clearly the first time instead of having to squeeze out an answer over the course of many short posts?

>>684545
>>684547
I agree that the main problem with the website is moderation. Hiro seems to let the mods run the site by themselves. At least moot gave the impression he was in charge. I don't think that canning global mods entirely is an answer. For big boards it would be fine, but for small boards you would have large times where moderators aren't present. There would have to be a compromise.

>>684545
>>684547
>consensus thread
>posts his worthless underaged opinion about "the corrupt mods"
just kill yourself

>>684547
>and must have had some experience moderating an image board.
where the fuck are you going to find these people

>>684617
e621 has some good mods or so I hear.

>>684617
Moot got them from reddit.

>>684571

Seconded.

Global mods are fine. Think of them as a higher moderation position or something like that.

>>684624
Literally the best mods of the western internet. They're so good that there's zero chance Hiro can poach them. They are just that good.

We have to keep our expectations reasonable here, anon. I know what you're going to say, "aim for the stars to hit the moon" or something, but there's a reason good moderation is so few and far between. Moderation of a quality level such as e621 is unheard of for imageboards in principle, as there are many fundamental differences between sites and populations- and especially content.

>>684624
>>684699
Can you explain? All I know of that site is furshit.

>>684617
Should have said find some people who know how to moderate. Whether that be an image board or forum.

>>684699
But who wouldn't jump at the chance for a mod position on 4chan?

>>684571
>For big boards it would be fine, but for small boards you would have large times where moderators aren't present. There would have to be a compromise.
That I can agree on. Boards such as /pol/, /v/ and /a/ would get board specific mods while places like /ck/ and /po/ got global ones.

Bit still, you need mods who understand the culture and subject of the board. Meaning have a global mod moderate boards he is familiar with and likes. For example, a global mod would moderate both /d/ and /h/

>>684710
They follow the rules laid out by the admin and discuss feature additions and streamlining with their developers and users.
It's not as incredible as those two make it out to be. It's just very simplified and straightforward.

>>684718
That's because they care about the site. Our mods don't

>>684693
>Moot

>>684547
>must have had some experience moderating an image board.

I'm with >>684617 the people who are knowledgeable about any specific board and has previous experience moderating an image board are going to be few and far between.

You do need people like this if the fire everyone plan is going to work, but have them train other people who do not have the same knowledge about specific boards and culture as the moderation experienced ones.

>I would recommend giving each mod a unquie ID
So each mod has a mod tripcode? What if they want to post as an anon so that they can browse while they work? Mod posts usually attract lots of attention and presumably these people are already part of the community.

>>684717
>Meaning have a global mod moderate boards he is familiar with and likes.
Your problem here is that the number of anons in a smaller board won't become a mod or a global one at least, so there likely won't be mods for some of the smaller boards if you set it up like:
huge boards get mods specific to them
slower paced boards get a few global mods who moderate many boards

Likely the faster boards have more viable mod applicants than spaces for them, so they are fine for volunteers. It would be better to take as many of the mods as possible (legitimate applications of course) for the slower boards, since they could be browsing regularly and then step in if any raid happens, which is probably the only real concern some of the slower boards such as /t/ and /po/ have.

Don't be afraid to rangeban someone who consistently, continually breaks the same rules for months and gets their posts and threads deleted all the time.

I agree we need new/different mods. Selective moderation is a big problem on /v/

>>684386
>Loli on trash


I dont even like that shit but on behalf of trash i'd like to say we really are just /b/ but mixed with threads from other boards that found themselves lumped in with other fringe threads that just didnt fit.


So yes loli on trash would be acceptable, especially with a userbase obsessrd with loli. Looking at you /tlhg/.

>>684755
Sometimes I wonder if that "selective" moderation is more about users reporting posts in those threads. I imaging people who actually like the topic will be more likely to report a rule breaking post.

The only complaint I saw in every meta thread on every board was the moderation.

Let the users have some power over these shitty mods.

>>684744
>What if they want to post as an anon so that they can browse while they work?
They can browse and post as anons, but when they moderate, they moderate with their own trip.

>>684751
>rangeban shitposter
>he just hops on a VPN
>other anons in that IP range now have to buy a pass
>shitposting continues

Basically what happened with Barneyfag on /v/ and Easterfag on /int/

>>684775
It might help if users actually reported posts. I can't tell you how many times I've go into a thread that's been up for 12 hours, and reported a post that was 10 hours old, and it was deleted in a short amount of time.

>>684779
That is a real concern. I wonder what percentage of shitposters put in that level of obsessive ban evasion? Ban evasion via any method is unforgivable cancer.

>>684779
Most of the VPNs are probably range banned already.

>>684790
The problem isn't under moderation (except for maybe /tv/)

The problem is over moderation and inconsistent deletions or bans.

/a/ has this the worst. There are basically unlisted rules on /a/ that will get you banned because the mods came up with their own stupid rules in their private IRC and decided to enforce them.

Even worse is "shitposting" is grounds for a 3 day ban, but mods basically get to decide what shitposting is. There is no standard. There is no transparency.

>>684776
So in the banlist they each have a mod signature or something?

Might be better to have a log that they annotate about why something was removed, with illegal (CP and the like) stuff removed from said log.

>>684798
Mods don't want that because then people will realize how inconsistent and retarded a good chunk of their bans are.

You guys realize that mods don't patrol the boards like some kind of online police but actually just work off the report queue?

>>684814
Mods also don't make new boards.

HIRO YOU BETTER FUCKING GAS THE MODS AND GET NEW ONES

>>684821
Now now, there's no reason to be upset.

>>684818
I guess that's true but I am not sure how that is relevant

>>684797
/a/ also has rules that are legit selective. gr5 anyone?

Shitposting is just posting stupid/low quality and off-topic stuff. But 3 days might be a little much unless they're repeat/chronic offenders.

I've noticed across many boards that posting off-topic isn't a big issue if it isn't an OP, and the post is only being off topic and not breaking any other rules.

Off-topic + NSFW = ban
Off-topic + acting like an idiot = ban
Off-topic on its own = very possible to get a free pass

I kind of agree with this method because it's a way to encourage people to not act like morons.
Quality of Discussion (gr6) is such a ridiculously important part of enjoying your time on 4chan, and it's often ignored.

>>684814
We don't know much about this report queue though.

Is there just one master queue?

Maybe two for the types of reports (illegal content or rule/spam violation)?

Or is there two queues for each board?

>>684835
>gr6
ive been banned for this even though it was on topic and not a shitpost

>>684835
>Shitposting is just posting stupid/low quality

That's the thing though. /a/ has "mod approved" shitposting. Making low-effort, low-quality threads like "I want to fuck this loli!" is allowed, but other variations of low-effort, low-quality posts aren't.

That's the problem. There's an unspoken list of rules on /a/ which is cancerous as fuck.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but

>>352366968

Didn't these threads used to be despised years back for being 'blogposting'? It seems posters there are being way too participative about sharing bits of their lives on a videogames imageboard.

Passive aggressiveness aside, ban these faggots on sight.

>>684839
I'd like an example.

>>684843
/a/ does have very notable issues.

>>684386
>3. /a/ wants wordfilters and stricter moderation, split on non-japanese anime
>It seems the only two things /a/ generally agrees on are wordfilters for common shitposting phrases such as cuck, kys etc and stricter moderation such as more bans and deletion of shitposting and pointless general threads.
>As always some Anons disagree because they feel like this would hurt the board culture.

We don't want stricter moderation. We want mods who actually know anything about anime and manga. I.e., no more global mods.

Only a few idiots keep spamming the wordfilter bullshit.

Korean manga isn't even that popular to make it a real issue.

>>684386
>/a/ wants wordfilters and stricter moderation, split on non-japanese anime

What fucking meta thread on /a/ were you in? Most of us said less moderation, or at least more consistent moderation.

And fuck off with the word filters. People easily get around them, there's no point.

>>684848
it was a few months ago and i posted something on /v/ about a game and got banned for quality of posts

>>684547
>-Transparency is a must: For these new mods to be good, we must make them be transparent with the userbase 100% of the time. I would recommend giving each mod a unquie ID that allows the users to track exactly what they have said and who they have banned and for what reasons given. That way we can see if a mod has abused his power, and if he has, the userbase will decide if he to be removed or not.

Yes. We need more transparency from mods and the admin. Mods should stop issuing short bans that can't be appealed just when they get pissed off at a user.

And when a user submits an appeal for a longer ban, the moderator who issued the ban should always be required to write at least one reply explaining why their ban trumps your reasoning for why they made a mistake.

Mods also need to stop being sneaky about how they delete threads. Too many threads on /a/ have gotten "auto-saged" while still active and before the bump limit. Sometimes mods will let a thread go on for an hour and then suddenly delete it inexplicably. It's very frustrating.

>>684838
How does any of that matter? But if I had to take a guess it's probably a master queue(otherwise the global-mod thing wouldn't make sense), that's sorted after type of reports and then number of reports. So if some faggot posts cp on /v/ or /a/ his post will end up at the top of the report queue due to the type and number of reports.

>>684835
>Shitposting is just posting stupid/low quality and off-topic stuff. But 3 days might be a little much unless they're repeat/chronic offenders.
>
>I've noticed across many boards that posting off-topic isn't a big issue if it isn't an OP, and the post is only being off topic and not breaking any other rules.

Agree with this. Spend enough time on /a/ in a longer thread and you'll see random posts deleted which would otherwise be ignored on any other board, sometimes because the post was too short and "shitty," sometimes because the conversation wandered a little off the topic.

I can't tell you how many times I've caught short bans from /a/ just because I was following a naturally progressing conversation into topics slightly tangential to anime. For example, thread is about an anime about game development, but some people start talking about game development companies in irl Japan, which leads to discussion of other aspects of Japanese life. That kind of conversation material used to be what made /a/ good!!

If mods are global, why aren't standards for topicality more uniform across boards? Why does /a/ unfairly get punished for trying to be as broad in our topicality as any other board?

>>684295
Bring back visible sage and "de-criminalize" announcing sages and reports.

>>684873
Well it would change how the priority works. If there's just one queue, then the mods have to work out how the reports are taken care of.

If there are queues for each board then they might be assigned or take a board's queue, changing how the moderation works.

>>684883
People would and still do use it as a downvote, when it was built in (from the 2chan source code) for different purposes.

I agree with most of this but some boards are just hopeless. /tv/ is beyond repair at this point. It was in bad shape in 2014 and it's only gotten worse with off-topic shitposting to the point regular discussion is out the question.

>go back to the redi
This is ridiculous.

>>684908
It doesn't matter what you call it. It has an educational purpose to the OP, and now that that has been lost, the website has gone to total shit.

>>684295
If Hiro wants to fix this site, he should delete /qa/. This board adds absolutely nothing, it's pure cancer

>>684985
Great argument. Anti-sage bump.

>>684908
2ch (not 2chan) is a bbs (text-board), threads don't 404 there, so it made sense not wanting to bump a 2 year old thread. In 2chan and 4chan new threads naturally prune old ones. Then again, you might not want to bump a 2 day, 2 week or 2 month thread that you feel has run its course. But in fast paced boards, where a thread's lifespan is measured in hours, using it as a down-vote is literally the only logical use left.

>>684300
I'm pretty sure unless you're a contrarian or mod bootlcker, there is a consensus we need regime change with the mods.

>>685028
>2ch (not 2chan)
I forgot which one it was translated from but yes I do see how it's more relevant in slower paced places.

Would visible sage based on board speed sound like a good idea?

>>685054
No because sage-bombs (which are also only "effective" in fast boards). Unfortunately, it's a function that tends to be abused.

The only board that used sage right was /jp/, or so they claimed. In my experience they used it mostly not to not bump an old thread out of courtesy, but to avoid bumping threads they didn't like. The latter is how I think most people used sage, as a visual indicative of their distaste for an OP and/or his thread. It was used to convey an emotion, just like a reaction image, a faster loading and less resource consuming one, a perfectly valid use imo. Sage was 4chan's dislike button.

>>685094
I'd rather not see it reintroduced on /f/ where sage doesn't influence when a thread is deleted.

>>684547
>no mention of hiring Hiro's friends from 2ch

>>684395
>clear cut

More like a loud local minority just like the horse fuckers. Cancer

Daily reminder there are organisations who want to get into mod position to police this site to the ground

>>684571
>>684717
>>684744
If someone knows the board culture of multiple big boards well and has the qualities, there's no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to moderate both. And there's no reason why someone is a "global" moderator just because they moderate 2+ boards, either.

>>684712
I have actual experience moderating a forum and I did apply for 4chan janitor multiple times but was rejected every time. But there's no telling whether the applicants in question, myself included, actually have the experience they claim to have. How would you verify it?

>>684814
In practice, many do.

>>685094
Some people on /a/ claim that using sage as a downvote is a form of self-moderation. Not sure how true that is.

Personally I think that having all threads autosage by default and being bumpable only with age is a better option.

>>685194
/a/ used to self-moderate Naruto threads. In fact, they are a perfect example of how things went wrong.

In the beginning, before there was any mention of the "big 3", you could discuss pretty much any anime on /a/. Time went by, /a/ became a fast paced board and the kind of civility exhibited by sages of the old was lost. Sage was weaponized. Some popular anime threads started being sage-bombed, /a/ justified itself by claiming they attracted unwanted users. For a time discussing Naruto became impossible until mods took action. We even have a banner with copypasta (Naruto is a gateway anime...) used to spam threads to remember that era. Nowadays, while still very different from the place it was 10 or more years ago, you can peacefully discuss Naruto again on /a/.

>>684861
>Sometimes mods will let a thread go on for an hour and then suddenly delete it inexplicably. It's very frustrating.
I've seen threads going on for a day and reaching bump limit before they get deleted.

>>685223
That's when you know something is wrong.

>>685218
>you can peacefully discuss Naruto again on /a/
What went wrong?

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i wish hiro would do somthing

>>685218
So would you say that the very idea of self-moderation is the problem?

I've tried thinking from both points of view and still can't really find an answer.

Self-moderation:
Reporting posts and threads that are against the rules so the mods and janitors can see them and take further action.

>>685229
>So would you say that the very idea of self-moderation is the problem?
Yes. moot once gave it a serious thought though.

>Implementing a form of user moderation that actually impacts the content of the board, separate from the current reports system, ranks high on the list of possibilities.
http://www.4chan.org/4channews.php?all#101

This was before sage-bombing became and "user moderation" like the above described became an issue in boards other than /b/. It's unfortunate, but we cannot be trusted.

>>685230
This

It'd be nice if they made reporting easier though

>>685232
It looks like moot, and a lot of other people, overthink self-moderation. People just need to learn to report things.

>>685230
>>685234
>>685235
Reporting would be a nicer option if the mods were consistent and competent. As it is, people report posts far less often because of a loss in trust in the mods.

Restore this trust, and more people will report rule-breaking posts.

>>685238
Finally, someone else understands! The mods AND the users need to improve! Nothing will improve if both sides don't change.

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>>685218
>/a/ used to self-moderate Naruto threads.
Those autistic tantrums by anons shitposting those threads in anger that other anons wanted to be left alone to discuss the adventures of a ramen ingredient, then sperging out on /q/ when their dubs spam and copypasta was deleted, was enough to inform even those unaware of how self moderation actually works.

It's crazy how anons to this day thinks that self moderation can work on /a/, of all boards. Taking a look at the extremely antagonistic reaction to the recent meta threads on /a/, it should be blindly obvious that the anons who don't want moderation improved at the problem posters who benefit from shit moderation and a hivemind culture. These are the sort of anons who propagated generals; the sort of outsiders who came to 4chan originally and instead of lurking, they simply overwhelmed boards with sheer numbers.

>Nowadays, while still very different from the place it was 10 or more years ago, you can peacefully discuss Naruto again on /a/.
The shitposters have merely moved onto other series to ruin the discussion of. There will be another Naruto scapegoat soon enough that will receive the same blind mod hatred. I think the main problem is that there are simply too many fucking anons on the one board. In order to compensate for the numbers, Hiro would have to vastly increase the number of jannies and mods. Even that tends to be a bit of a crapshot as the shitty moderators tend to select anons with similar shitty attitudes to become janitors and janitors with similar shitty attitudes to become mods. The entire system is simply not suited to boards with such large numbers.

>>685238
I see 99% of the posts I report getting deleted, even if it takes days.

>>685242
I'd have thought that this was common sense. Maybe the average anon lacks common sense. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

Anyway, the users can't improve until the mods do, and the mods can't improve until we get rid of all the power-hungry ones. Which is pretty much all of them.

So the entire moderation staff needs to go.

>>685228
Hiro is a hoax. moot pretended to sell 4chan to him on paper to avoid paying tax. The Hiro account is used by moot, he also pretends to speak in broken English. Wake up, people.

>>685242
Anons don't need to improve as they have no responsibility towards the site, only moderators do. The only way to get anons to improve overall is to make them want to stop behaving like spastic manchildren, which requires consistent and swift moderation.
It's like a classroom: the one with the lax, uncaring teacher will end up with a room full of loud little cunts who act up because they know they can get away with it. The one with the strict and objective teacher will end up with a room full of kids who won't dare to act like fuckwits and will instead focus on their work. Currently moderation is the more extreme form of the lax teacher, whereas it needs to be closer towards the stricter side. Even meeting that half way would be a dramatic improvement.

The problem of saying that users need to improve is because they have no reason to do so and aren't held to any obligations, whereas moderators are. 4chan is simply too big to have a small bunch of quirky mods who take things personally and wear their moderation on their sleeves. It might have worked in 2006 but 4chan is multitudes larger and users can access the site in dynamically different ways which were not present in the past.

>>685246
It shouldn't take days, it should take hours at most.

>>685246
I rarely see the posts I report getting deleted, on /a/. They are posted made in generals. Mods seem to let the most off topic bullshit become standard in generals. I've even been given warnings for abusing the report feature by reporting a bunch of anons having a stupid argument about 3DPD politics, in the Daily Japanese Thread.

Look at the sort of message moderation has been sending to /a/ for the past few years; little wonder anons feel entitled to their generals and template threads when mods go out of their way to defend them.

>>685247
>Maybe the average anon lacks common sense.
This is 4chan. Many people think this website is for shitposting.

I don't think all the mods need to go, some seem to be alright. What the mods and Hiro should do is weed out the problem mods (there's no way there isn't at least a couple under performing mods right now, they aren't perfect) and either tell them to straighten up, or kick them out.

>>685250
Every user is responsible for what they post. Users are also responsible for reporting posts that break rules when they see them.

Surprise! 4chan mods and janitors are more like a police force than babysitters!

>>685253
The current core is rotten and the only way to get rid of it is to get rid of everyone. Those who were alright can easily reapply and work their way up. The problem mods wouldn't be able to work their way up if the core is clean.

What I would do is: Get rid off all mods and bring in replacements (eg. Hiro's 2ch friends who are way more likely to listen to him than the current crop, and also more likely to be consistent too), then ban all meta discussion sitewide and lock /qa/ (or get rid of it altogether) for a certain period of time, and during this period of time, open janitor applications where users can submit what they think is wrong with the board they're applying for. People who want to be janitors for the sake of improving their board will be more sincere in their application, so the janitor drive is probably the best way to get feedback from users.

>>685253
>Every user is responsible for what they post.
Empty words.
An anon has no obligation to do anything, only a moderator/janitor does.
>Surprise!
Don't get coy. There is no reason or incentive for an anon to behave in a certain manner. Nothing. Getting banned means nothing. A moderator or janitor, however, has a position to maintain, which they can lose. Until mods do their jobs properly and give a reason for anons to adhere to rules, there is no impetuous for anons to do anything. Why should anons care about the site if moderation doesn't? Be realistic about it.

Are you a janitor or moderator?

>>685247
what proof do you have? This entire argument is based on hearsay. If anything leaks have shown that there are simply no mods, not power hungry ones

>>685257
>then ban all meta discussion sitewide
Why? Why would you want to remove the ability for users to discuss the site? Without the users, the site would be worthless.
GR8 is an abomination and should be removed. It was only put in place as a means to deflect criticism. If you can't handle criticism, don't operate a website.

>>685262
It's only during the time period of this particular application. Meta discussion would affect the contents of the applications.

Once the time period is over then I'd lift the sitewide ban (and maybe GR8 too).

>>684718
So basically they are actual mods and really no different to the mods we used to have? In short, they care about the site and its community, not some arbitrary bullshit or power.

>>685262
>Why would you want to remove the ability for users to discuss the site?
Look at this thread and understand why >>>/a/147467333
The board is irrelevant, most of those posters aren't from /a/. Users are taking advantage of Hiro saying it was okay to discuss meta to shitpost and mods are allowing it.

>>684908
>People would and still do use it as a downvote
Well, it is a downvote. The features only purpose is to not bump a thread and visible sage is to tell others you didn't bump a thread. That's it, that is the very purpose of it. There is no "it's not a downvote" bullshit. Sage is literally defined by the culture around it and who uses it. The "its not a downvote" was shit started by moot because he didn't like how it was used on some of the bigger boards by idiots. No, he was not right. It is a downvote, because if people used it as such, it is a downvote. It does have many useful uses and each of them are valid. There is really no reason visible sage shouldn't be put back, especially because of a minor boogieman that is incredibly easy to deal with. People will downvote your thread with or without sage. People did it then with sage, people do it now with something else. On /a/, they might be keit-ai spam.

It's a problem that is easy to solve and barely gets in the way. The sage bombing that just increases the post numbering or shitposting that constantly puts garbage on page one? Visible sage has no negative attachments to it naturally unless the poster basically says his sage does. Anyone who thinks it does should fuck off.

>>685172
I was thinking about that to. Having the strict, Japanese mods from 2ch would certainly curb shitposting. Problem is, Hiro is hated on 2ch by everyone so the odds are slim at best.

>>684755
Agreed. The mods on /v/ will often delete threads that are actually about video games and are on topic, but will leave up console wars and waifu threads.

>>684693
It was either moot or RapeApe who got them. I'm actually gonna lean in favor of RapeApe, as he is a known Reddit user

>>684790
I've reported multiple off topic threads on /v/ and /pol/, and yet the mods almost never delete them

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>>685629
/pol/ mods and janitors only responds to anything related to adventures of christ chan
Anything's not the adventures of christ chan is /pol/ related and allowed.
Proof: >>>/pol/89620239 (deleted within minutes while porn threads lasts for hours)

I use the comics to gauge the moderator's response time because right now, its the only thing they give a shit about due to some personal hardline autistic vendetta they had with the artist of the comics.
Kinda funny how the comics belong there in the first place and now its the only bannable offense there.

>>685194
>How would you verify it?
That's what the IRC interview is supposed to be for, don't know how well it works though.

>>685294
Why not just add a "sagev" or "vsage" to make a new visible sage option and leave the original sage to be invisible?

>>685626
>waifu threads
Those can be ok depending on what the op is like. The ones starting off like "what character do you fap to?" are never good. They're the "wich 2hu wud u fuck?" threads of /v/.

>>685243
>as the shitty moderators tend to select anons with similar shitty attitudes to become janitors and janitors with similar shitty attitudes to become mods.
christ, how horrifying

>>684571

I think Hiro's decision to let the Mods effectively run 4chan is a good one. I actually prefer it to Moot's tyrannical, spiteful meddling. However, Hiro's inherited Moot's moderation team, so 4chan's still plagued with the remnants of a corrupt system. I think we need a new fleet of Mods, with new standards of training and an actual sense of pride in the community.

>>685673
it would be better if the mods stop developing favorites and just carry their duties as per the board's moderation.
Its so fucking simple, how the fuck do they mess this up?

>>685642
Malaysia is cancer even in /pol/? Woah. This kid is really magic shitposter

>>685642
I was slightly invested in the story there, but now the author no longer releases their comics free of charge, in fact you have to be a member of the patreon to even view the last 5 or so chapters.

>All these terrible ideas from summerfags
>Hiro will unironically impliment them

RIP 4chan

>>685697
>terrible ideas
Explain further

>>685692
He's not so much of a cancer if he just posts his stuff and stays in one thread.
But affecting the moderation duties and causing the mods to allow actual cancer to persists throughout the boards, he is more of a cancer enabler that way.

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Reposting this poll from /co/. Majority consensus is that the /tv/ threads need to go. Whether it be to a new capeshit board or back to /tv/ is for the community to decide.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11229277/r

>>685699

Reading through the thread the main topic seems to be moderation and frankly if you think the moderation is 'bad' today then you have no right to complain

It use to be much, much worse. All i can see is a couple people spazzing out demanding the site be exactly how they want it and any thread/topic that they dont like shouldn't be allowed to be posted. Seriously go fuck yourself if you think this way you arn't a special little snow flake. Every board has its own unique board culture and sometimes that includes threads/topic that are considered 'shitposting' thats just how it is.

What people need to do is lurk more and get over it

>>685715
Ugh. I like discussing the movies with people who aren't the retards from /tv/, though. A new cape board would just be a place for more of those retards to hang out. I like /co/ because they actually know shit about comics.

>>684744
We could also look at people who have moderating experience in general. Anyone who has moderated a forum would be a possible candidate. We need someone who knows how to enforce the rules, deal with shitposters, and cares about the community.

>So each mod has a mod tripcode? What if they want to post as an anon so that they can browse while they work? Mod posts usually attract lots of attention and presumably these people are already part of the community.
That's totally fine. They are more than welcome to do that. However if they are going to issue bans and deletions, it must be kept tracked via their mod ID.

>Likely the faster boards have more viable mod applicants than spaces for them, so they are fine for volunteers. It would be better to take as many of the mods as possible (legitimate applications of course) for the slower boards, since they could be browsing regularly and then step in if any raid happens, which is probably the only real concern some of the slower boards such as /t/ and /po/ have.
All very good points. Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>684797
Exactly. The mods love to make up shit as they go along and don't even bother to tell us about it. The lack of transparency is such a critical issue here, because we don't get to decide what is shitposting and what isn't, the mods do much like you said.

Also mods are against transparency because they feel that everything they do will be under a magnet and will get scrutinized by the userbase. So by not being transparent, they can avoid all that because no one will know which mod was the one issuing bans

>>684853
>We want mods who actually know anything about anime and manga. I.e., no more global mods.
This. Global Moderation has shown that it is not an effective way to moderate a place of this size and magnitude. It was maybe 10 years ago when we still weren't as massive as we are now. But now we're so well known and have so many people coming here, global moderation is showing its cracks.

>>684861
Mods also have a tendency to leave up shitposting threads because they amuse them. /o/ is a perfect example of allowing a shitposter to run rampant, and then only deleting his threads when he says he's bored.

>>684978
The only way to even remotly fix /tv/ is to remove Invisibro/Swaglord. He is primarily the one who has destroyed /tv/, all because he holds a grudge against them.

>>685717
Be more specific. Not all boards are same. Something like /ic/ and /3/ are not for blah-blah-blah.

>>685736

For example game threads on /sp/ for when an event is happening. Game threads are technically shit posting yet they're allowed and should be as they are part of /sp/s board culture

>>685253
>Many people think this website is for shitposting.
Because fucking Reddit spread that rumor around and its now ingrained in people's minds/

>>685262
>GR8 is an abomination and should be removed. It was only put in place as a means to deflect criticism. If you can't handle criticism, don't operate a website.
So fucking true. m00t proved he was a little bitch when he implemented that rule. He thought he was right and we were all wrong.

>>685642
Mods and Janitors are known to be SJW liberals. They leave the shitposting up because they hate /pol/. This is why we need board specific mods. We need a group of mods who are dedicated to /pol/ and actually love going there. Instead we get stuck with globals who outright hate it.

>>685243
>Even that tends to be a bit of a crapshot as the shitty moderators tend to select anons with similar shitty attitudes to become janitors and janitors with similar shitty attitudes to become mods
This is EXACTLY what happens. The only ones who become Janitors are those who hang out in the 4chan IRC room all day and have a circlejerk with the mods. Why do you think nothing changed during the last janitor recruitment? Because the mods only chose people that fit their viewpoints.

>It use to be much, much worse
Yeah no it wasn't. The moderation we got right now puts that to fucking shame. You can't even compare the moderation back then to now.

>>685642
see >>684814

It's more likely that a bunch of people report it so it ends up at the top of the report queue and the mods just delete it rather than some conspiracy against Malaysia/christ-chan

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Is this the thread where the self-entitled babies whine about how things won't change for them?

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>>685766
That's wrong faggot
>>685742
Also pretty sure hundreds of people report shitposting non board related threads in /tv/ and /v/ and literally no action are taken towards them. The malaysian comics probably got about 4 reports each from it's haters and almost instantly they're taken down.

The christ chan comics are proof that mods are picking favorites.

>>685767
This really rubs me the wrong way.

You can tell that they didn't top broil the sauce underneath the cheese and toppings, and this basically puts a dam on the sauce's flavor potential. This is really upsetting.

The moderation situation on /pol/ is a fucking joke right now. We need to get these mods replaced and fired.

>>685776
>We
Just stop.

>>685777
t. mod

>>685772
No it's not, it's literally impossible to manage big online communities without auto-sorting report queues

>>685717
>It use to be much, much worse.
You're talking out of your ass.

>Every board has its own unique board culture and sometimes that includes threads/topic that are considered 'shitposting' thats just how it is.
This attitude killed the site. Mods use to be extremely efficient with off-topic garbage. /tv/ didn't devolve into race threads with constant cp posting 5 years ago. Even /b/ had low tolerance to this kind of bullshit. Every board does have a culture but mods and admins still did their job.

>>685780
We don't even know how this the sorting works.

>>685779
Hiro would be wise to ban everyone ITT who says this.

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>>685780
Mods are triggered by the comics m8. That shit's supposed to stay on /pol/ and it didn't. Clearly the mods decide the rules by themselves.

>>685792
According to whom?

>>685794
According to evidence. >>685716

>>685794
According to every bullshit ban on here

Find the guy who's been deleting the Christ chan threads on /pol/ and start revamping the moderators by firing the stupid fuck. I bet he pulls this shit on other boards too.

>>685748
>You can't even compare the moderation back then to now.
It's mostly the same people

>>685784

>You're talking out of your ass.

And you've been here all of 5 minutes

The moderation is infinitely better than it use to be

>>685799
Just because you like it (assuming you are not him), that doesn't make it /pol/ related. I bet I can find as many porn spammers that'll tell you interracial porn is a political statement as people that think a drawfag thread is /pol/ just because he takes your requests.

>>685812
Not exactly. The new mods are beyond awful.

>>685817
>not /pol/ related
>literally a comic series with a swastika on the title telling the story of a literal /pol/ meme made in /pol/
Newsflash fuckface. You're not the admin. Stop making up your own rules. Go create your own site if you want your dream anonymous imageboard so much. Also fucking fix /tv/
>>>/tv/74540482
>>>/tv/74540776
>>>/tv/74537878
What the fuck is this shit?

>>685818
Mods today also used to be mods 4 years ago if that's your chronological frame of reference.

>>685780
Mods are global. There's no fucking way they're able to respond that quickly on the Malaysian comics thread on a random time if they're not picking favorites.

Look at /tv/ right now and look at the cesspool it has become.

>>685829
And they need to fucking go. Its time to. Anything related to moot needs to get lost because moot's legacy those past four years ruined this site.

>>685832
That's why global moderation needs to be gone except for the smaller boards. Larger boards like /tv/ need to have mods that only moderate /tv/. Also I would try recruiting from /tv/ for potential mods

>>685832

/tv/ is fun though it reminds me a little of how /b/ use to be before it became just a porn dump

>>684295
please find an alternative to jewgle's captcha

I understand the need to keep the spam away but please do not aid the most evil of all internet companies out there, I'm sure there are suitable alternatives

>>685839
We tried that last year. We looked into Yahoo's system but apparently its not suited to handle something as big as 4chan. In a way we're stuck

>>685847

sage needs to exist again

Broculture needs to be back on /sp/ and stop the over moderation that faggot moot put in

>>684295
We all agree that Hiro needs to bring back visible sage.

>>685821
>You're not the admin.
Neither are you, but I have the feeling that if Hiro explicitly sided with janitors on this one you'd throw a tantrum anyway.

This kind of stuff being deleted has ample precedents (including moot statements) that I'm not going to waste my time searching for or explaining to you. It should suffice to say slapping and swastika on poorly made tracings can't compare to true OC like the rage guy from /v/ (which didn't need a daily thread), and that if you are looking for the latest epic memes to share with your high school friends it'd be better if you go to 9gag or whatever you kids use these days.

We NEED flags on all boards. Everyone is tired of people shitposting a topic that has no relevance to them because it's not available in their country. This would quickly remove that issue

>>685844
>4chan's sweaty fat overflow stacks are too gorged and greasy to be handled by anyone but the stubby knobby spam-smelling fingers of the biggest fattest internet conglomerate

In a way, it's poetic.

>>685834
People ruined the site, for other people, moot and mods did their best to avoid it.

>>685817
Can you explain to me why these threads are /pol/ related and explain why they're allowed to exist without being deleted for hours but not the Christ chan comics?
>>>/pol/89644565
>>>/pol/89642503
>>>/pol/89639288
>>>/pol/89632424
>>>/pol/89637121
>>>/pol/89645290
>>>/pol/89643629

/vr/ wants /v2k/

>>685868
There's no one moderating the board right now probably.

>>685867
moot gave up towards the end. In fact he was rarely and he let the mods run the show. And in turn they fucked up the site

>>685864
>Everyone is tired of people shitposting a topic that has no relevance to them because it's not available in their country
Alienation also makes them immune to ridicule

>>685864
That's a great way to add a bunch of SWEDEN YES's and POO IN LOO's on non-/pol/ boards.

Lets be honest for one second. The changes that we all want to happen with the boards will never succeed unless the mods are dealt with. That's just the truth. The entire moderation system needs a massive overhaul

>>685859
>Hiro explicitly sided with janitors on this one you'd throw a tantrum anyway.
Hiro's too big to give a single fuck about an obscure alt right comic series made by a 3rd worlder.

>This kind of stuff being deleted has ample precedents (including moot statements) that I'm not going to waste my time searching for or explaining to you. It should suffice to say slapping and swastika on poorly made tracings can't compare to true OC like the rage guy from /v/ (which didn't need a daily thread), and that if you are looking for the latest epic memes to share with your high school friends it'd be better if you go to 9gag or whatever you kids use these days.
Barely a reason why the threads have to be deleted. Even if the feedback towards the comics are negative, it isnt necessary to delete them and make the comics appear as top priority moderation by the mods. Lambright shills his shit and begged for money on /pol/ all the time and no action has been taken towards him but when the christ chan comics appear, the moderators jump into action like it's CP.

>>685874
>There's no one moderating the board right now probably.
The christ chan comics were deleted just an hour ago.

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>>685891
And the malaysian thread on /qa/ too.
>>685716

Now I really need some explaining what's the deal with the mods and the guy who makes these comics

>>685891
The mods are selective as fuck. I see so many shitposting threads that break the rules of /pol/ and the mods are allowing them up.

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>>685868
2 down before you linked

Well there you go. 4chan is understaffed, people don't report, /pol/ is a lost cause with a terrible user-base just like /b/ or /v/.

Despite that some rule breaking threads do get deleted. That's really a marvelous thing.

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>>685894
Why the fuck did the mods delete a non CP or porn thread on /qa/?

FUCKING HELL ITS JUST A RANDOM EDGY ALT RIGHT COMIC

WHY ARE YOU TRIGGERED BY ANIME LOVING INTERNET NEO NAZIS

>>685901
Because the mods are SJW's.

>>685897
We DO report. The mods don't bother to delete shit that's all. Mods have proven they are fucking useless and incompetent in not knowing how to deal with a situation like this

>>685901
Because The Situation > Pauly D

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/ic/ thread's gone
>>>/ic/2687866

>>685914
What, that would've lasted months regularly. I guess it was deleted.

>>685815
Been here since '06, get your head out your ass. I'm so tired of people thinking this place is the wild wild west where you posted and said what you wanted. It always use to have rules and moderation

>>685901
/qa/ has no rules, other than global, maybe not even that. So there's room for creative moderation, rule-driven moderation and no moderation to coexist

>>685859
>Neither are you, but I have the feeling that if Hiro explicitly sided with janitors on this one you'd throw a tantrum anyway.
no fucking way Maldraw, a fucking malaysian that draws crappy edgy animeshit nazishit memester comics that started a year ago and barely makes $40 on patreon is on Hiro's personal watchlist.

I mean for fucks sake the guy drank with moot, owner of 2 of the largest imageboards on earth and have a fucking wiki page, Why does he have a personal vendetta with this... guy? I mean his arts ok, but for fucks sake, he's no Murata for him to be THAT relevant.

>>685932
I didn't meant to imply that he will or that I think he will. It's just that I believe bringing up Hiro was ultimately hypocritical from his part because he doesn't strike me as the kind of person that would passively accept his decision if it went against what he wants.

>>685724
Well tough shit. /tv/ threads have got to go, they lower the board quality. Either get better moderation on /tv/ (which while being desperately needed probably isn't going to happen) or make /cape/. I really don't think /cape/ would be that bad.

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>>685956
so Hiro knows this guy? And read all his comics?
that's pretty cool senpai

No one fucking cares just keep everything as it is or delete 4chan. Stop trying to create a safe space for cucks.

>>685971
I don't think you understood, I was speaking of the guy I was replying to

>>684295
In /pol/ allow politically motivated porn.

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>>684295
I don't get Hiro

>I want consensus
>Okay, these boards want X Y and Z

>No, consensus from EVERYBODY

>Okay, almost everyone agrees that X needs to be done
>Troll immediately says "I don't want that :^)"

>Looks like I don't have consensus from everyone! So many conflicting voices! I don't know what to do! Help!

I sometimes wonder if Hiro is acting retarded on purpose. He has to know that it's impossible to get total consensus from hundreds of anonymous users.

>>684295
>>684300
Well, since we're on the topic, /tg/ AND /qst/ both had a rather solid consensus earlier.

Let Quests be related to all boards, especially their board of choosing. That includes /tg/. Put an option for /tg/ similar to spoiler required for quests which only bumps the thread to page 2, to clean off the front page. Make /qst/ into the general roleplaying board.

Solves multiple problems at once. Front page garbage on /tg/. /qst/ not having an audience. And things that simply don't go in /qst/ or /tg/ being allowed back on their home boards. Most people were for this, except the anti-crowd who wanted /tg/ to be the only board on 4chan where quests were forbidden. Give or take from that what you will.

But it's the closest to consensus that /tg/ and /qst/ will ever come to. I would link the threads where this occurred but it was FUCKING DELETED.

Someone on /a/ had an excellent suggestion as well: Make threads require 'age' in the options field to be bumped. Mark posts that bump threads.

>>686021
I just hope Hiro takes into consideration /qst/'s discussion thread on the boards superfluous "features", but I guess that can come later.

>>686021
Voting to support this. Since attempt at consensus gotta be seen.

>>684295
/cel/ celebrity board
/film/ board
ban canadian IPs on /pol/ and /int/

>>686036
>ban all NA IPs on /pol/ and /int/
Fix'd.

We need a /risk/ board. Ban risk threads elsewhere.

Also permabanning Canadians would be nice.

>>686036
>>686038
>>686039
+1 on these

>>686038
ban all North American IP's?

>>686048
Let's also ban European and Australian IPs.

Basically I think 4chan should return to being a board for Japanese posters.

We should ban nips too, because they're all shitposters anyway. Just let the BRs use it.

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>>686048
Yup.

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I really don't care about most of the shit on /pol/

But shit like this should get permafucked if you're gonna spam it every day

>>686065
Very likely: That is a mod doing that.

Same thing with /v/, it has had the same three threads repeated for months on end and no one does anything.

It's like Alphonse on /o/.

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>>684295
Dearest Hiroyuki,

please do not consider anything put forth here that is concerning /pol/ to be the opinion or desire of anyone frequenting it; if you have anything to say, say it on /pol/ and you shall receive a firsthand answer. There is no site-wide consensus on 4chan, nor are we seeking one.

Thank you for your understanding and we are looking forward to remaining the bastion of free speech that we have been throughout the years.

Sincerely,

average /pol/ user

Lets ban 4chan all together

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>>686065
post christ chan comics whenever you see those threads and write your complaint alongside your posts.
it's the only way to get their attention

>>686070
You don't understand, HE is seeking one.

He is not going to visit the board that requests the consensus because he can't visit every single board at once. Plus, good luck having a serious thread in /pol/ of all places.

It's a flawed idea from a flawed scheme of which I expect nothing to happen. For /pol/, that is great. For any other board that is the worst outcome that will slowly kill the non-pol parts of the site.

>>686068
I know that /v/ has that Bob Page spam for months, I just saw it yesterday lel.

>>686074
They'll probably just delete the Christ-Chan posts and let the spam continue

Yes, the mods are that fucking incompetent and retarded

>>686070
>ANONYMOOSE IS LEGION XDDDDDDDD

>>686076
Not just Bob Page, but dozens of other threads that are so common as to be routine now.

There's another thread repeated endlessly that's just a picture of Mario with "Can any character beat mario?" There's one up right now: >>>/v/352442014

Here's another one I see every day, but this one has the decency to change the OP image occasionally: >>>/v/352422520

Also hey, look, I found him. He must think I wouldn't by changing his OP slightly: >>>/v/352429638

>>685777
The vast majority of /pol/ hates the current moderation situation. He speaks for a large amount of /pol/ users in that post.

>>686075
Well he has everything he needs.

>>686088
The vast majority of /pol/ users are edgy teens, newfags or shills.

>>686087
The thing is the Bob Page spam looks at least enjoyable, though the Mario spam, I guess not?

The pic I posted on the other hand is just shitty and doesn't even offer anything for a shit. It's whiny and attention-whoring as fuck and offers nothing but a bait for (You)s

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>>686076
>They'll probably just delete the Christ-Chan posts and let the spam continue
Wrong. The christ chan comics have higher power on the mods. Just look at these, deleted within minutes. Reminder, they're not furry or CP, they're just a bunch of SFW random silly comics. There's nothing on the rules that said you can't post them.
>>>/pol/89626134
>>>/pol/89620239

Link to the comics: http://gijinka.blogspot.my/

Any posts with a christ chan comic page plastered on it will immediately highlight a mod's attention. Write alongside your complaint so the mods can read it.
It's extremely effective. Even more than furry or loli spam because those will be disregarded as spam posting, the christ chan comics though, they hurt the mods in the inside.

>>686097
why would anon post any comics outside >>>co? it's the reason it's there

>>686097
Christ-chan reminds me of Chris-chan, who ironically used to be both racist and christian before he became a SJW male lesbian.

/pol/ disagees on many things: but one.

ban all canadian posters

>>686099
The Malaysian dude who drew it actually fucking did lel

>>686099
That is a gross misrepresentation of what /co/ is meant for.

Comics are used to illustrate a point, commonly. That's what political comics are for.

This is like demanding that all animated images go to /wsg/ and all images with transparency go to /gif/.

I'm happy that Hiro got to see what most of /qst/ wanted: an avenue to run in /tg/. At the same time, I feel like he doesn't really understand the point.
>>682749

I think he understands what a quest is just as much as most people who stumble upon /qst/: A strange kind of general thread which follows seemingly no rules or logic.

>>686099
Spamming the christ chan comics is just like you spamming Buckley stuff to get attention. Too bad the mods don't give 2 fucks about Buckley and you're wasting your time if you do that.
The adventures of Christ chan though, just post 3 pages on /pol/ and the mods will swarm to it like its free hotpockets.
The christ chan comics are that powerful on 4chan.

>>686100
CWC was racist? since when

>>686099
I think the comics were once posted on /co/. It got deleted also. Mods REALLY hate the comics.

>>686118
Adding to this: /co/ isn't really a board at the moment for things that are too far outside the comfort zone of the moderators.

They used to have threads dedicated to webcomics, but those are mostly deleted now except for one giant general thread. Same goes for some superheroes and french comics.

There used to be a french comic translation team who would make threads. I think they ended up being banned. I haven't seen them in months.

RIP: My monthly Melusine dosage.

>>686113
Not racist as in full blown /pol/ racist, but his own brand of childish autistic racism.

http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Chris_and_race

>>686123
Here's another parallel between Chris-chan and /pol/

Sonichu is to /v/ what The adventures of Christ chan is to /pol/

I'll admit Sonichu has superior character design, character development, plot resolution and it's more vidya games related (it even has its own indie video game) than christ-chan is related to politics.

>>686101
I think instead,all canadian posters should all get mod powers over /pol/

>>684295
He's just giving us the runaround at this point. He doesn't give a fuck about this site or the users.

The sites too far gone anyway. Fuck it.

>>684322
That's the point. He wants consensus (which is impossible) to be reached on all boards in metathreads, which can't be made.

Even if you could make a thread all it takes is one shitposter saying no.
>>684322

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>>686122
That means the christ chan comics belong on /pol/.
...But it got deleted there. Everywhere else also.

>>686143
/pol/ is pretty flexible when it comes to moderation. We once got a CWC story time that goes on without a hitch.
We never had a Christ-chan comic thread that survived into the archives though.
Mods are simply triggered by these meme comics.

>>684571
Canning all the current mods is a start

>>684775
I've seen people insist the mods are fine. All it takes is a mod going anon to say "I disagree" and the users get nothing.

>>684797
This.

>>684843
And don't forget "self moderation," which is mod approved shitposting to get rid of thongs you don't like.

>>686162
>We once
Once is fine, daily threads are a no go, /pol/ is not /i/, and I have the feeling they don't want you there either. It's your fault for being such an unlikable bunch.

>>686171
I disagree and think the moderation is fine.

>>686179
>Once is fine, daily threads are a no go,
There's no such thing in the board rules that explicitly say no generals allowed.
Stop
making
your
own
goddamned
rules.

>>684775
Can the mods that give bullshit 30 day bans.
Everytime someone gets a "ban evasion" ban the guy probably fucked with a mod in a thread without knowing it.
Yes, the mods are THAT pathetic.

>>686194
There's a rule against off-topic, it's not you who gets to decide what's on-topic and what is not. If you think it should be made on-topic give Hiro (not me) a convincing argument other than "me and my buddies like it", "it's muh board culture", "muh free speech"

Corrupted moderation is real.
Hiro won't do anything.

>>686202
People that get bans for ban evasion are pathetic enough to flaunt the fact they are ban evading because they are butthurt about it. Mods are just doing their job, it's nothing personal (at least from their part).

You want to know why moderation became shit?

It's because, while 4chan and it's userbase and boards grew and (de-)evolved, its moderation system didn't.

>>686217
The moderation system used to be a joke. Like "Who would seriously, seriously need to moderate 4chan. That's like trying to moderate a bucket of shit."

Then, 2013 /v/ happened, and people decided "I change my mind, we need moderation. Lots of it. More moderation than we could possibly endure."

Moderation became shit because 4chan has been on full-on red-alert panic mode since 2013 and the mods haven't decided to stand down yet.

>>686213
>Corrupted moderation is real.
There are always some bad apples, but those almost never get to be mods and have short janitor runs.

What you don't seem to get is that people who get to be mods were hand-picked by moot and people that have his complete trust after years of serving as janitors. You have no way to know which mod or janitors deleted what and there is a record of every ban. If any of your accusations were real then they either were honest mistakes or moot simply didn't care. The owner of the site can't be accused of corruption when dealing with his private property.

>>686210
>Comic about religion and white supremacy
>not /pol/ related
You're deciding for yourself what's off topic again.
Wannabee admin much?

>>686231
t. someone that came here in 2013

>>686088
/pol/ is a containment board just like /mlp/ and /soc/ so the needed moderation should go to hobbyist boards and not your dump. You are nothing but dogs that were given a separate play area.

>>686216
>are pathetic enough to flaunt the fact they are ban evading
almost everyone who get ban evasion bans didn't even got banned in the first place. The mods simply got butthurt at the poster for disagreeing with their opinions and wants to get back at the guy.
It's fucking childish.

>>686236
>hand picked by moot
>the dumbest man to ever live
>who tried to dox people on his own site to impress his Gawker GF

>>686237
No, it's you who are. Mods and janitors are the only people entitled to do so (besides Hiro). I'm simply making the most logical deduction (they are deleting those threads because they are off-topic).

Again, if you want them to stop deleting those threads you should either try to convince Hiro they are sufficiently /pol/ related because they deal with religion (?) and white supremacy, or that mods act motivated on a secret personal agenda (muh conspiracy theory).

>>686249
That's happened to me. I agreed with someone the mods didn't like and got banned for evading.

At this point you pretty much need to know how to evade to even post.

>>686249
>almost everyone who get ban evasion bans didn't even got banned in the first place.
Nice especulation you have there

>>686236
>The owner of the site can't be accused of corruption when dealing with his private property.
Mods don't own 4chan. Hiro does. We're complaining about the parasites that run this place like it's theirs.

>>686252
You are mistaking gamergate with the luggage lad saga

>>686257
I meant to say that if moot or Hiro somehow validate alleged acts of corruption, then it's not corruption.

Hiro I don't know if you'll ever read this, but if you do, please, please don't add wordfilters to /pol/. Any retard who suggests you do it's nothing but a bleeding heart redditor. That would lead to ruining /pol/ and basically turning it into reddit.
Also, banning a country wouldn't change much. You can't ban all proxies, there are milions and the shitposting would skyrocket. /pol/ needs no change at the moment, it's sorting itself out.

>>686270
t. Canadian

>>686270
You realize 4chan used wordfilters way before reddit?

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>>686253
>deletes a specific thread regarding a specific comic in a board where it's specific to the nature of the media each and every single time it's posted
>this goes on while /r9k/ and /adv/ threads are allowed to be spammed non stop
>nah bro its just conspiracy, the mods are definitely not cherry picking what kind of stuff that's allowed on the site
Still not your site.

>>686279
You're asking for censorship due to "MUH FEELINGZ". Please stop coming to /pol/.

##

:^) Tricked ya

>>686283
Wordfilters are fun. A board that believes whatever it has too say is more important than having fun has no place here.

>>686290
Good argument. Wait, it's not. It's retarded and you're just shitposting so that my original post slips away.


>>686270
>>686270
>>686270

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>>686254
>moderators acting based on their feelings than actually following the fucking rules
>accuse everyone who agrees with the posters they hate as the same guy and bans them on sight
Is it so hard to find adults who can run this place

>>686294
>you're just shitposting so that my original post slips away.
You could give Trump a run for the biggest ego and tiniest hands

Remove the flags.
This is what 99.99% of us wants.

>>686294
Your original post is completely retarded because it equates old 4chan users with Redditors, which is something you probably believe given how much /pol/ loves to shit on 4chan heritage.

I imagine the next big happening that will cause a shitstorm with the moderation team will come from /pol/.

And I mean something on the level of the fappening.

>>686314
I hope you're joking. If you're not, consider killing yourself.

>>686308
Flags were brought in spite of /pol/'s wishes, because they were necessary to curb some varieties of shitposting. They should stay.

>>686317
You'll eventually do some stupid shit that Hiro won't put up with, like doxxing his waifu

>>686321
They caused so much new shitposting instead.
The flags has to go, Hiro.

>>686320
>I hope you're joking.
Yeah, nobody could possibly think you're a fucking retard without joking about it. You're just that great.

>>686238
'06, actually. The idea of moderating 4chan back then was a joke, because what the fuck was there to moderate except deleting some CP every now and then?

Oh, oh how we didn't know.

>>686021
Probably the best compromise.

"Muh frontpage" is still an argument for mongs tho

>>686364
Oh I agree, but I can't deny that it's still a part of 4chan people care about.

>>686376
So, I guess what we really want is to BRING BACK SNACKS

>>686364
>muh frontpage
The catalog is one of the worst things that ever happened to 4chan.

>>686353
Proportionally to the userbase size, 4chan was more moderated back then (more bans per capita) according to moot himself and there were also far more public bans. You'd should at least remember this last fact if you were here a decade ago.

What has changed is attitude towards moderation and 4chan. Trolls of the old didn't mind getting banned, the value of their posts lied in the transgression of the established order. Nu-male (to borrow a /tv/ buzzword) entitled shitposters came to this place thinking it was the wild wild west, so they become visibly upset when their posts get moderated.

"The idea of moderating 4chan is a joke" is precisely a the kind of mentality that developed on par with 4chan's rise to internet popularity and the absence of visible moderation in the period 2008-2012.

>>686405
There were more public bans, sure. There were also more bans over stupid shit because the mods didn't take it seriously, either.

But more bans per capita? That's complete bullshit. You're also believing the words of a man who has lied to us multiple times in the past.

One has to look no further than the bans page that was constructed in Moot's era to know that is complete horseshit. Before, public bans were the norm. It was actually rare to be secretly banned unless the thread that you were currently in was deleted. You saw maybe a ban per hour.

It does not take a genius looking at the ban page to know that someone is now banned every few seconds. Just refresh the page and look at the post timestamps.
https://www.4chan.org/bans
Or better yet, since these are a very small fraction of the total number of bans on 4chan; just look in the archive on your favorite board and sort by deleted posts. Almost all of the deleted posts on almost any board is done by the moderation because they do not practice public banning anymore.

Maybe not all of them are because of moderation action, but many of them are. And we know many deleted posts come with a warning/ban. So it's not hard to come to the conclusion that the moderation has stepped up the banning game considerably. Especially compared to several years ago.

If you want hard numbers? You can't have any, because again, bans back then were public whereas now they are secret. It's like complaining that you don't believe genocides happen because they bury the bodies.

Also, if you're ever acting, or even PRETENDING that "Mods = Fags" is even remotely a new concept or even remotely a new term; then I hate to say it but the underaged cancer may very well be yourself. Mods = fags and moot = fag was a thing even back when I first started on /b/.

You're really lying to yourself if you think the attitude has changed and not the moderators themselves.

>>686405
>mods haven't changed you changed!
so, how was it like in 2013 when you joined?

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I just tried to microwave some fucking popcorn, and I burned it.
Now the whole kitchen smells like burned popcorn and the smell is atrocious.
MAN!

>>686427
I think you should stop going to /b/, you can't form an adequate perspective of the whole site based on your experience with one board, be it now or 10 ten years ago

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>>685784
>This attitude killed the site. Mods use to be extremely efficient with off-topic garbage
Is that what /qa/ told you, little boy? Fuck no it wasn't. Every board had its own unique thing that people enjoyed, that shit was the very reason people came and stayed and lurked. This isn't a serious place, board culture is everything board has because it was everything they were. Also, mods are more efficient with off-topic shit then ever and that's apart of the problem. 4chan THRIVES off of "off-topic" shit and always has. You know why? Because 95% of the shit people call off-topic is just a fucking normal conversation and derailment and 4chan has done that shit once day fucking one.

Eat a dick rulefag.

>>686430
I think you are projecting

>>686448
I think you should maybe monitor the archive further. You can even go to the /b/ archive and see that it has more bans per capita than it did ages ago.

Before, most moderation on the site was concentrated at /b/. Because surprise, that was the most populous part of 4chan.

Now, it's concentrated on every board, and they wield their power like a hammer. If you cannot see that in the 2010-2013 range, bans skyrocketed, then you probably weren't around to experience it firsthand.

To experience the shitposting wars getting so bad that most people quit /v/ except the people who just wanted to spam memes and shit the place up.

Again, 4chan's moderation has only become a problem because we're still in the all-hands-on-deck mode that was required in 2013. Not once has it been backed down, and has only tightened since.

>>686446
>>686450
>>686457
You do realize these logs are fake, right? That's why they keep getting deleted: They're shit someone made up to perpetuate the GG war on /v/.

>>686454
i think you're angry that you got your dirty little secret called out.
no one who has been on 4chan for more than a few minutes thinks that mods have not always been fags. they have just been fags for different reasons.
sorry this breaks your idea that the moderation is perfect.

>>685925

>Been here since '06

Yeah because things use to be so much better when Snacks would go on banning sprees and let cp get posted 24/7 right?

Fuck off newfag

>>686468
Not him, but to be fair: Snacks was one person.
One person who thinks 4chan is a playground can't break THAT much. It has collateral damage, but doesn't destroy the integrity of the community.

Twenty or thirty people who think 4chan is a playground in different ways can utterly destroy any board, hobby, or passion if they try hard enough.

>>686021
>>Let Quests be related to all boards,
"no"
I don't care were quests go, but forcing shit onto other boards is not an answer, ever.

>>686294
>Wait, it's not. It's retarded and you're just shitposting so that my original post slips away.
>4chan is srs bsns
"no"

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>>686479
>I don't care where quests go but I REALLY CARE WHERE QUESTS GO
Great. Then you don't care if they return to their original boards like they were initially.

Quests related to /tg/ topics existed on /tg/, they also existed on /a/, on /v/, and /b/, etc. The person who decided that all those /v/, /a/, and /b/ quests should go to /tg/ was Moot. And his opinion is irrelevant now.

They should return where they will get players: Back to the places where people play them. If your actual opinion is that they should just fuck off the site: Then just say that instead of pretending to be impartial.

>>686475

>Twenty or thirty people who think 4chan is a playground in different ways can utterly destroy any board, hobby, or passion if they try hard enough.

The only people trying to change the site are people like you who think you have the right to have the site run how you want

Say what you want about the mods but one thing i can say for sure if they've all browsed 4chan longer than you or any other cuck pushing this shit has and i hope Hiro has enough fucking brain cells not to listen to any of you

I'd rather have 50 boards with constant shit posting than 5000 boards with no culture and no posts

>>686460
>I think you should maybe monitor the archive further. You can even go to the /b/ archive and see that it has more bans per capita than it did ages ago.
What? Archiving started in 2008 with Easymodo archiving /a/, /jp/ and other weeb boards. Full /b/ archives came only came many years later and they are not searchable I believe (never really bothered with them).

I don't think you and I are speaking of the same era.

>>686490
>Moot
Post disregarded.

>>686467
You totally refuted the imaginary claims I made that only exist in your head, great job brah

>>686493
>The only people trying to change the site are people like you who think you have the right to have the site run how you want
The people actually changing the site are the moderators who have been shown to actually fuck with things while people say that they don't want them.

If you think me or anyone else is forcing them to do things; then you're misguided at best.

I agree that board police are a problem, and that /qa/ has been the biggest enabler of retarded board police. Let's not even pretend for a second that this is not a two-part effort of stupidity. Ideally, the mods should tell the board police to fuck off and that they won't capitulate to mindless shitposting on the suggestions board.

But they haven't.

They instead have gone along with it, because clearly there exists a percentage of them who want to change things.

>They've browsed it longer than you!
Proof of this? Zero. We have zero proof that these people aren't just moot's former skype buddies. We don't even know who they are.

Again, I highly doubt that many of them have been browsing since 05 or 06. If they are, then they must have learned nothing in the past ten years.

You claim that you hope they don't listen to any of the fags asking for major reform? Well guess what, faggot. The reason we're having this discussion is because THEY ALREADY HAVE

>>686493
Agreed. This thread has made me respect the mods more than I did before. Now I realize that they have to put up with people like OP.

>>686497
>Full /b/ archives came only came many years later and they are not searchable I believe (never really bothered with them).
The /b/ archive goes back to 2010, I think. That's enough to see the monumental rise after 2013.

>>686321
They were added as punishment because /pol/ called mootles a cuck

>>686506
>i think you're underaged for saying such a stupid fucking remark, shithead
>p-projecting!
>angry that your dirty little secret was called out?
>s-strawman!

sorry that someone saw right through your little newfag charade. next time, don't believe something so monumentally stupid like "at one time, 4chan thought that mods weren't fags and everyone was happy!"

>>686509

>The people actually changing the site are the moderators

Based off of what? You /x/ tier paranoid fantasys that the mods are controlling the flow of topics? Do you even browse more than one board?

>I agree that board police are a problem, and that /qa/ has been the biggest enabler of retarded board police. Let's not even pretend for a second that this is not a two-part effort of stupidity. Ideally, the mods should tell the board police to fuck off and that they won't capitulate to mindless shitposting on the suggestions board.

Is this even English? I dont get what you're trying to say here

>Proof of this? Zero. We have zero proof that these people aren't just moot's former skype buddies

Thats how ever fucking original mod came about, they were just moots friends and you know what they were fucking great. Atleast they understand than to enforce rules and when not to

>>686321
>Flags were brought in spite of /pol/'s wishes, because they were necessary to curb some varieties of shitposting.
What? No they fucking weren't, they were added apart of moots game of fucking with /pol/ which was fucking funny.

Probably no one here cares about /co/, but the moderation there has gone to shit over the last years. The mods/janitors treat is as some sort of christian youth forum, fuck lewd images, lewd posts get deleted. inb4 "blue board" faggots. It's still 4chan, rule 34 is an integral part of /co/. /aco/ is a fucking disaster: just a porn dump board with no discussion what so ever. Threads about cartoons with anthropomorphic characters or some discussion of loli get pruned to hell, that's considering the overwhelming amount of cartoons and comics that have one or the other. If you try to call them out on their bullshit, instant ban.

I just want the old /co/ back where you could discuss whatever the fuck you wanted and spoilered lewds were OK. Mods should only delete illegal shit or threads that have nothing to do with /co/ topics, not shove their tumblr morality down our throats, and decide which posts stay and which are deleted based on personal preferences. AT LEAST get some accountability so a mod would have to explain himself if caught doing dumb shit like deleting /co/-related posts or threads for no discernible reason.

>>686514
Those are probably the threads crawled from 4chanarchive, it was not a full archive, but an archive of threads that were voted into archival by people who happened to know the site (and knew how to use proxies). There was also some sort of curatorship involved

>>686460
Because if they were real they wouldn't get deleted?

LMFAO. Modcucks are so pathetically stupid.

>>686523
>Based off of what?
The fact that the people making the changes now are the moderation team, you prick.

What. do you think the whiners in /qa/ are hacking into moderator accounts and making these changes? That's fucking /x/-tier conspiracy bullshit. Do you even browse 4chan?

No, I'm serious.
Do you think this is a democracy where users are able to wrestle power away from the mods?

Who made /film/
Who made /asp/
Who made /qst/
Who banned and deleted every single suggestion thread so far even though Hiro told us to make it.

You can't pretend that any of that is moot's fault when he left ages ago. You can't even pretend any of that is Hiro's fault when he barely understands how the site works.

I don't get what you're trying to say here. Do you live in an alternate reality where shitposts on /qa/ directly correspond to new changes to 4chan? Do you sincerely believe that mods have guns to their heads to implement these changes if enough people on /qa/ whine enough about it? Because here's a hint: They aren't. They had to make the decision to make that change just as much as anyone else.

Your paranoid fantasies are laughable if you think they are blameless in all of this.

>This is how every fucking original mod came about.

Now THIS is an /x/-tier conspiracy theory. I know for a fact that mods aren't required to listen to /qa/. You don't know shit about who is or isn't a mod. That is pure guesswork. They could be promoted janitors from 2013 from all you know. You might have better qualifications to be a mod than anyone on staff right now.

You just don't know and that lack of transparency is what drives these threads. Saying you know otherwise is you lying to yourself.

>>686479
Quests don't belong on /tg/ either.

>>686519
>"at one time, 4chan thought that mods weren't fags and everyone was happy!"
That wasn't one of my posts

>>686540
t. sagefags 09

>>686532
Good point, but that only further proves what I'm trying to say: It is impossible to get an actual gauge of how many bans are handed out on a daily basis now on 4chan. The best we have are deleted posts from now, but it's plainly obvious that they are more plentiful than previous 4chan eras just based on the ban page alone. Maybe this isn't adjusted for population: But the sad thing is, there really is no way to get a good gauge on what that is.


>>686535
Where the fuck did you get that from my post? If they were banned, they would be deleted. Retard. You are so pathetically stupid.

>>686538

>This is how every fucking original mod came about.

>Now THIS is an /x/-tier conspiracy theory

Key word i used 'original' mods. Not the current ones or are you just retarded?

>>686540
Except they do, and always have.

The correct phrase would be "Quests that belong on OTHER BOARDS don't belong on /tg/."

Trying to deny that quests weren't on /tg/ is ignoring years of quest history on /tg/.

>>686526
He fucked with you for what was it, 3 days? He gave legit reasons for enabling flags, look it up in the archives. Whether you think he was wrong or not, that's another discussion.

>>686554
Then, I deny that history. It is irrelevant to the discussion.

>>686551
You don't even know that for sure. You are not moot and you did not appoint the original moderation staff.

The original plan for 4chan was a group of idiots hanging around an imageboard recruited from Something Awful. You or I or anyone else except moot himself knows if they were his SA buddies, his IRC buddies, or even if they had any credentials to even be moderators.

Because again, moderating on 4chan back then was considered a kind of joke. It wasn't a serious job.

>>686554
No. Quests are not /tg/. They belong on /qst/.

>>686558
>I deny that history because it's not convenient.

Then, your opinion is irrelevant. Your opinion is akin to someone coming in from a different site and proclaiming "I THINK THIS THING SHOULDN'T BE ON *MY* BOARD" despite the fact that thing always was and has been on that board.

Suddenly claiming that you don't like history because it's not on your side doesn't help your argument. It just paints you as delusional.

>>686560
Quests belong on any board they are related to. /qst/ was a retarded mistake.

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>>686556
>you
Please don't call me /pol/. moot pretty much added them as apart of his fun and games. I don't even use /int/ or /pol/ and I can tell you flags do nothing but generate shitposting and race bants. If moot gave reasons, good on him. He was clearly still fucking with everyone.

>>686561
Quests were a retarded mistake.

>>686565
>I don't like *thing!*

Okay.

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>>686559

>You don't even know that for sure

Yeah but i do because i was here back then and they all knew each other irl

>The original plan for 4chan was a group of idiots hanging around an imageboard recruited from Something Awful

ok you're just some retarded newfag because that isn't even close to being correct

>>686376
I wish Snacks would come back now that moot the cuck is gone

>>686562
More like "in after, in during, in before and forevermore."

>>686460
>You do realize these logs are fake, right?
t. mod cuck