/og/ - Orthodox General

>>94078335
Reminder that these threads are started by the tripfag Constantine, who was run out of every board he posts in for being a tranny faggot. Remind he is a recent convert who was a member of at least two other religions and is a known religious maniac.

He also hates porn and anime. I mean he REALLY hates them.

This is him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RmFO-wXTQc

>>94078421
>>94078420
lol, trying to keep people aware of this tripfag

>>94077466
I do love you, that doesn't mean I of-a-sudden believe that you aren't an enemy of God.

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>>94078335
Additional reminder that religious fags are the pettiest bitches. The nigger behind "christchan" wasn't getting enough attention anymore, so he started making all the pro-Hillary Pepe memes.


I'm fucking off to the WIkileaks threads where productive shit is going on.

>>94078421
I knew this guy before he went tranny.

If I'm not mistaken, his dad killed himself decades ago. Guy had zero male role model and was kinda faggy.

Not surprised.

>>94078713
Man/10

>>94079012
Don't post that twisted heathen crap here, delete it from your hard drive.

>>94079116
But in reality, it's your husband.

>>94078335
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orthocuck still here

Also explain

>6For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.…


How can there be dead in christ if they are already in heaven . Does not paul say we need to change from mortal to our heavenly body, why the dead in christ then

Maтepь бoжья!

>>94080287
Your body still has to be Resurrected.

>>94080661

They already have heavenly bodies because they where already in heaven , the body resurrection does not make sense in what paul teaches because they ARE already in heaven with a heavenly body because flesh cannot enter heaven , so they are in heaven with their heavenly body , then they resurrect in their flesh, what they dont need ,then they turn in to their heavenly body again and fly back to heaven


>Makes perfect sense

>>94078335
Can somebody give me a low down on how to officially convert to Orthodoxy? I'm an ex-Catholic turned fedora tipper who's realized the retardation of fedora tipping and that Orthodoxy is objectively the most beautiful and most uncucked form of Christianity there is left. There is a Greek Orthodox church down the street from me at my uni, and I'm interested in becoming a catechumen and officially joining. How would I go about this and what's the conversion process like?

>>94081341
The End Times will be the reconciliation of heaven and earth. It won't be one or the other, but you will be in both at the same time. God will reign on earth, man will reside in heaven, both will be together.

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>>94078335
Get cancer, jewcuck shills

>>94081693
What exactly qualifies as "kindred" by this?

>>94078420
Is this true? How do you know it's OP? It really is a shame as a lifelong Orthodude myself.

>>94082053
It's not me, and I've never been a tranny or had the inclination. It's slander used by posters to discredit Orthodoxy.

God bless the janitors or mods or whatever, for cleaning this up.

>>94081490

That does not awnser the question , btw why do the dead in christ rise first? . Would it be more fair for the ones on earth to go to heaven first , since you know, they just came from there
or is it because they where asleep dead
> 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

>>94082728
Heaven is an ontological reality, not a spatial reality.

>>94082860

m8 it cant be more clear

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

>to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself

future tense

>And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

>These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

>but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep

it cannot be more fucking clear in scripture you die and thats it, there is not one time in scripture that your soul goes to some place

>>94083437
Do you remember how I told you the truth earlier? I must care, right?

when

also i think the mods are getting annoyed

>>94084277
sry

>>94084277
then go away!!

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>>94084336
It's alright are you a good human?

>>94084471
yis...

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>>94084521
Good.

>>94084583
gud...

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>>94084630
Hey who's going to church on Sun. :DD

>>94084723
not me....

>>94084723
but wanna kno a secret

>>94078335
Thats some real Buddhist chill shit, i like it.

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>>94084787
What's that? Please don't say something evil.

>>94084912
I have two life insurance policies, one from work and one I get with my bundle thing at State Farm. The big one is going to my wife+kids obv, but guess what. I kno this pastor who runs a church and he works rly hard and he is a really good dude and I made it so he gets the other 1 if I die. It's p. big too, especially considering how broke his church is. He's gonna be happy when I die. But I don't even believe in god lol, but I like that guy. It's a nice secret I keep lol

Secret #2 is keep is p. evil tho

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>>94078335
Whoa.

>>94085094
Why do you never laeaave us alooone :( :( :I(

>>94085094
i wont sae it tho

>>94083795
I don't know, spamming isn't really in line with that.

>>94085202
do you want me 2 go away

>>94085286
I don't know...I think I'm in love with you now. You can't go. ...It's complicated.

>>94084723
I certainly am.

>>94085252
I'll be honest. I could be completely wrong about you. As I said, I work with people and I make my living by understanding and getting to know them. It's made me pretty sharp and pretty adept at getting to the bottom of what makes people tick. But you give so little it's hard to be sure. I was telling the truth on why I spam the thread. If I found I was wrong, that you were a good person and you just come across wrong online, I would stop spamming it. Completely stop.

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>>94085336
Brother! My sins...ugh my sins--I can't wait to get back in.

>>94085320
i understand, believe me

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>>94085424
why did you do that to me. That's a weird trick. Praise God and stuff though.

>>94085582
thin line between love and h8

>>94083706

> in scripture you die and thats it, there is not one time in scripture that your soul goes to some place

And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” - Jesus to the thief on the Cross

The saved reside in heaven when they die, spiritually, the unsaved reside in hell, until the end times when bodies resurrect. The exact nature of these states is beyond our understanding. What's the problem?

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>>94078335
Please make an all Catholicism general

Thank you

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>>94085636
Yeah...you're passionate in a weird way. Maybe I see myself in your anti-me. It takes rotten passion to want to throw yourself into posting kikeporn and childmurder scenes. It's like "damn".

I don't believe in god, but if you believe the bible is authoritative, then the whole "Today you will be with me in paradise" line clearly indicates you live on and are conscious after the death of the body. You have to do some mental acrobatics to deny that.

>>94078644
That is the autistic Malaysian Drawfag we had for quite some time now.

>>94085775
pls stahp im blushing

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>>94081341
Gnostic

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>>94085835
No. It's no good. Have you ever killed anyone? I know you like the idea of it at least.

>>94085407
I'm not a good person, though, I can assure you of that. You're not wrong. I would like you to stop spamming, but if that's what's required, then we're both out of luck.

>>94085417
Are you reading and praying every day?

>>94085652
Protestants are teaching soul sleep more these days. One reason is, it undercuts the intercession of saints, which Protestants object to.

>>94085724
"No."

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>>94085953
Yes sir, I am. But I'm getting darker lately...

>>94085953
i want some authentic part of u

>>94085939
>No. It's no good. Have you ever killed anyone? I know you like the idea of it at least.
well that's complicated
ive never directly killed someone tho

>>94085652
Luke 23:43

Again the thief of the cross ,has a perfect explanation with soul sleep aswell , the whole bible is against the immortal soul idea , because that is satans idea

proof of nothing , the thief dies and he wakes up 2000 years later in the resurrection then ascends to heaven . For the thief it would be the same day because when he sleeps he has no time ,even if its a million years later it would be for him the next moment.... Oh wait i am dieing on a cross let me explain the doctrine of my religion

>>94086050
Are you fasting?

>>94086114
dats disingenuous!

>>94086095
How do you mean--I want all the juicy details :3

>>94086095
>i want some authentic part of u
There is nothing authentic in me save what's in Christ. Everything else is wretched and should be committed to the flames.

>>94086119
Yes I've been fasting for a while now. I can eat yogurt this morning though!

>>94086164
why
so u can try and get me in trubble

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>>94086114
>today you will be with me in Paradise
>TODAY

>>94086200
You know what I mean. Wanting authenticity from someone is an understandable request. I assume, if the bible is true, that if I were to meet Peter on the road to Jerusalem, he would speak to me about Christ and give me an authentic experience of himself. I want something like that from you, you obtuse bastard.

>>94086206
If you are praying, fasting, reading, and--by far the most important thing--embracing humility--then you'll overcome anything.

>>94086095
...was that really you drinking the coke can before? You're actually real....pretty in a terrible way. You scare me but I want you. What are you if that is you?

>>94086374
Of course not. lol. Im the vocaroo anon. Ahahahah, that girl is Eliza, a camwhore from r9k who killed herself. you thirsty fuck

>>94086419
my life is truly hopeless...I hate this website. I hate everyone . I hate human beings

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>>94086419
Sad. She could potentially be my girlfriend now if she didn't

>>94086308

Yes it might be hard to understand but when you die you wake up in the resurrection for your sense that will be next moment in your life . First you lie with cancer in your bed you die ,and the next thing you will experience is the resurrection and you fly with jesus to heaven , this is your today time stops when you die .

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>>94086508
lol u thought that waz rly me? omg

pic iz her too. cokecan pic is just a good angle

>>94086627
The Bible never say that

>>94086508
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0hvKsdHkX2k

>>94086640
I thought you were this person. Why would a person go onto the internet and lie...Maybe I knew but I didn't want to know.

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>>94086754
>>94086820

>>94086820
no, she killed herself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chjqvuu-rAg

>>94086754
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0hvKsdHkX2k
kek

>>94086323
I think my most intimate experience with another human being, regarding God, is being around Orthodox nuns. The younger ones don't talk, they just go by and pray, and even the older ones won't talk more than is polite, and always send you to the mother if you have spiritual questions. I went to talk to the mother, and she took me by the hand and lead me over to chairs and sat me down and barely spoke at a whisper. Even when she was speaking to groups of people, it was hard to hear her. I don't really want to discuss what we talked about in detail, because it's personal, but I felt her eyes piercing through my heart in a way that made me feel incredibly safe and terrified at the same time, which I think is an expression of her Godliness. It made me fully understand how one can both intensely fear and intensely love God, and how both are important.

>>94086693

it is more implied when you read scripture then a immortal soul flying to heaven , the jews teach it , jesus teached it , just step down from your denomination. and read lazarus death with a clean mind ,thats what i did remove all the catholic meme beliefs

>>94086976
>sigh
nm

>>94086929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEu5TxqkRds

>>94087052
Some Jews don't even believe in an afterlife

>>94086693

This is from one of the early more reliable church fathers polycarp

Exhortation to virtue -- The hope of resurrection -- The Lord's Teaching

1 "Wherefore girding up your loins serve God in fear" and truth, putting aside empty vanity and vulgar error, "believing on him who raised up our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead and gave him glory," and a throne on his right hand, "to whom are subject all things in heaven and earth," whom all breath serves, who is coming as "the Judge of the living and of the dead," whose blood God will require from them who disobey him. 2 Now "he who raised him" from the dead "will also raise us up" if we do his will, and walk in his commandments and love the things which he loved, refraining from all unrighteousness, covetousness, love of money, evil speaking, false witness, "rendering not evil for evil, or railing for railing," or blow for blow, or curse for curse, 3 but remembering what the Lord taught when he said, "Judge not that ye be not judged, forgive and it shall be forgiven unto you, be merciful that ye may obtain mercy, with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again," and, "Blessed are the poor, and they who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of God."

note that he hopes on the resurrection , not his soul fucking of to heaven

>>94087052
Jews taught that the dead reside in Sheol, and the New Testament makes it clear that those in Sheol are not unconscious.

>>94087302
The Orthodox do believe in the Resurrection, it's right in the Nicene Creed, dude.

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>>94086976
>>94087112

Maybe you two guys can answer this, since fuck. But I sort of agree with both of you in a way. On one hand I like the penetint man the man who is humble before God. But I also still like sinners and people who are not from my religion...and I don't 'love' them in some patrimonial way, but like I genuinely really like some of them. And I even think it's important and honest to be bad sometimes...to fuck up so that you see what that's like. I think organized religion is totally pussified now in the West at least where every woman just uses it to parade their husbands for the most part...but what I want to know from you two is what is the right approach? What are we supposed to do about this divide between us?---It sort of gets to what AQS was saying re: "I've never trusted super religious people"--I have to say, neither have I. Especially in light of the fiasco with all the pedos

>>94087326

sheol is grave

>New Testament makes it clear that those in Sheol are not unconscious.

citation needed

>>94087112
You're not going to get anymore of me on 4chan. I've already had groupie problems before, putting myself out there would only aggravate that. Besides, it would be counter-productive of me.

>>94078420
>>94082053
what difference would it make if it were true? murderers have repented

>>94087302
Please also read what happened to Polycarp in his Martydom. Again, where in this implies or even states soul sleep?

>>94087396

No word about heaven when you die though, thats something they did not belief

>>94087425
There is no bridging the gap. You either go by the original Christian way, or you innovate your own way.

>>94087480
How does Moses worship Christ at the transfiguration if he's unconscious? How does that whole scene with Lazarus and the rich man work?

>>94087402
I hate you so much, because you are not a girl

>>94087644

What happend to polycarp is not written by polycarp since he died?

>>94087645
They saw heaven as the same as the Kingdom of Heaven, and that as the same as the Kingdom of God.

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>>94084277
i know exactly what you mean. these orthodox threads give me a very abstract feel

it's like, seeing the purest and most sacred aspect of my life represented in the cess pit of sin where i go to post frogs and roleplay as a nazi ...it's such an uncomfortable mix

>>94087751
It was written by a witness to his Martydom. Polycarp was martyed and in no way accepts soul sleep

>>94087751
Polycarp doesn't preach soul sleep in what you posted, though. Just body sleep.

>>94087402
OMG you sir, your a fucking rock star.

Constantine is a girl

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>>94087694
>How does that whole scene with Lazarus and the rich man work?

parabels from his teachings you know how hard it is to convince someone who thinks he has a immortal soul that he has none, see pic for diffrent denominations jesus had to teach


How does Moses worship Christ at the transfiguration if he's unconscious?

>And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

There are some special people with future task

>>94088112
>because there have been so many religions and cultures, it's silly to say any is superior to others
This doesn't make sense.

>>94088112
>It can break you, and bring out the worst in you, and it can make you go insane.
how come the church i go to isnt full of broken insane people then? i notice much more pathos and insanity outside the church in the secular world...

>>94088223
Moses died

>>94088223
Elijah was taken to heaven. Moses was not

>>94087884

its pretty much the same because you have no immortal soul yet , polycarp cant preach doctrine what he does not think that exist.

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What about Orthodox Christian anime and manga? After all the attention Catholics got with Japan ignorantly using their church in comics and cartoons, I was glad to see them butcher ours by finally giving us recognition.

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>>94088112
Yes, but my matter can't tell me who I am either. I have freedom to make choices.

>>94088223
>parabels from his teachings you know how hard it is to convince someone who thinks he has a immortal soul that he has none
I thought you said Jews believed in soul sleep?

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>>94088474
I hated it. Because I am no fan of megatits. Just to be clear, I am not gay at all

>>94088313
>>94088382

elijah was with moses in the transfiguration , moses had something special also

>>94088610
The OT makes clear that he died

>>94088474
From what I can tell, anime has a tendency to sexualize things a lot lot, completely needlessly. So always bad.

>>94088581
This is like saying it's wrong to assert that the earth orbits the sun, because a lot of people never had access to that truth.

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>>94088685
Is this sexualized?

>>94088610
Moses was a special guy, but he wasn't taken, in living form, up to heaven. He descended to the dead.

>>94078335
If you want to be Orthodox just because you hate how your liberal is your local Catholic or Lutheran or Episcopalian/Anglican church, don't. Christ teaches us to hate the sin, not the sinner, so if all you want to do is bash fags or feminists, dont come to the Orthodox Church. Because you are not even Christian.

Know that I am a Christian first, and then and only then anything else.


1 Corinthians 1:10-13

Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." read more.
Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?


t. Orthodox Christian

>>94088816
If it were animated, or made into a comic book, it probably would be somewhere.

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>>94088910
But it is not animated. It is made by the Catholic Church

>>94088894
They're not the same, but the analogy still applies insofar as your argument's weight goes, since your argument is not against religious truth as invalid for not being materially observable, your argument was about it being invalid for not being accessible to many.

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>>94088904
Christ doesn't teach this though
>NEW YORK, September 23, 2016 (LifeSiteNews)—A Catholic parish is promoting a pro-homosexual “Pilgrimage of Mercy” and not planning on denying its participants Holy Communion when they attend Mass as part of the pro-LGBT event in October. The parish is also hosting a speaker from the nation’s leading homosexual lobby group, the Human Rights Campaign, today. The Archdiocese of New York declined to comment on both events.

>On September 22, the parish sent out a mass email advertising the LGBT event.

>“Join us on Sunday, October 2 for a pilgrimage to celebrate and recognize LGBT faithful Catholics in the United States during this Extraordinary Jubilee Year of Mercy,” the announcement to the parish email list said. “The pilgrimage begins on the Upper East Side at 69th St and 5th Ave, proceeds through Central Park, and ends at St. Paul's in time for the 12:30PM mass. This event is organized by the Gay and Lesbian Alumni of the University of Notre Dame and St. Mary's College.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/notre-dame-alumni-organize-pro-gay-pilgrimage-of-mercy

>>94088576

Like today the jews had many denominations the pharasees the one mentioned in the bible the most believed in soul sleep resurrection , but jesus teached to many beliefs hence the use of parabels

>And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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>>94088223

soul sleep presupposes a soul, an entity that is doing the "sleeping" and then gets woken up when the conditions are right. So you still have an immortal soul in both views.

anyway life is consciousness, and eternal life necessitates eternal consciousness, without any "gaps" or "breaks".

I would reject your doctrine because it's unbiblical, it's like taking Jesus death and resurrection "figuratively" ... you could do that, but it's anti-Christian and defeats the whole point of the NT.
Also soul sleep is wrong because it's psychologically incorrect. No one ever goes totally "unconscious" even in dreamless sleep we are subtly aware, but there is nothing to disturb us or draw our attention, so time flies by fast, but it is very enjoyable and relaxing.

So a dreamless and peaceful "soul sleep" is actually the beginning of heaven, which is where the soul resides after death. Those who have bad "soul sleeps" are beginning their journey into hell, which will be finalized at the End Times.

>>94088972
Sure hope it's not used for iconography

>>94089084
It's not the same on everything, but it is the same insofar as what your argument concerns.

>>94078335
>unironically being a retarded schismatic

Please put the trip back on so I can filter you.

>>94088669
> 5So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

god buried moses there cant be anything more special

Jude 1:9
>Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

>>94089106
Most Jewish denominations today are Pharisaic.

The only Jews in Christ's time who didn't believe in the Resurrection were the Sadducees, and that's because they believed your soul was destroyed when you died and that was it.

>>94089298
It's "Universal" in the sense of being the absolute truth, the universal truth. Not in the sense of everyone being in it or learning of it.

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>>94089188
It isn't

>>94089374
>A scientific fact and a religious tradition are not Kinds.
That are Kinds. Of truth, in this case.

>>94089340
He died. So his soul flew to heaven?

>>94089355

yes and the essenes thought that they where immortal the spirit lives on

OP worships a fucking stick.

Stupid cuck can't into based atheism.

>>94089605
The Essenes were not among the Jews Christ was preaching to, they were a very, very, very, very small minority of basically hermits, who were completely wiped out in the second century.

>>94089613
> there arent actually any universal truths
How do you define "truth"?

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>God
nice spook kid

>>94089734
Apples and oranges are the Kings with scientific and religious truths. False equivalence.

:p

>>94089820
*aren't Kinds

>>94089781
It's pretty important if you are stating such a bold thing as "there are no universal truths," a statement that I find it hard to believe you are knowledgeable enough to make.

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Superior protestant coming through

>>94089355
Nigger that's false and you know it. There were many jews that did not get converted to Christianity by virtue of Christ's existence and resurrection. And they weren't all Pharisees.

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>>94089820
Cute. Now I am certain you are female

>>94089141
>I would reject your doctrine because it's unbiblical,

It is the jews doctrine how is this unbiblical , calling it soul sleep just smoothens it up you have no immortal soul
Genesis 3:19
>In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

yeah mate death is not funny you are gone for ever but jesus the son of god was the first to defeat death ,and like he was resurrected we would be resurrected by him and have eternal life

>>94089911
No, they pretty much were. Not as in actually being called that, since that generally meant you were learned enough to be a Pharisaic rabbi, but in the sense of subscribing to the brand of Judaism the Pharisees taught, most people were that, the elite excepted, who subscribed to the brand taught by the Sadducees.

>>94089973
I DO love you. I didn't mean...like that...tho, as I'm sure you know.

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>>94090143
@~@

>>94089102
Neither does Catholic Church, it's a parish doing what it wants, without regarding the official teachings.

>>94090220
>the reason i dont think there are any universal truths is mainly because mankind seems so mixed up and confused
That's very bad logic.

>a universal truth would be easily recognized
Begging the question.

> i dont know what a universe truth would even be, or what form it would take
Quid est veritas? must be answered because you can address that.

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Stirner has set me free, I used to be bothered by the Orthodox and Catholic posters here however I realised that this was because I had made a spook out of the concept of truth and couldnt deal with people not holding it in a similar regard.

No more thread derailing from me

>>94090261
No, I don't.

>>94090270
They can't even control their parishes?

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I'll become Orthodox once I see some animu girls made for it like Mary chan

>>94090610
You can make them if you want but the Orthodox Church is never going to officially do that, because she expresses the faith according to a particular art form that doesn't include anime.

>>94089473

Then why the part about his body and satan, the bible already teaches you that something is going on with both moses and elijah , elijah was john the baptist or something , or his spirit was i still dont get that part , but elijah was the road to the new testament and ascended in to heaven with body and all , and moses of the old testament had died , but since satan fucked around ,god brought him to heaven also.its not really clear to me as of yet

The transfiguration might aswell be a future event , it was a vision afterall and the bible is full of prophecy read revelations, john had visions of heaven past present and future

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>>94090777
Oh, I guess I am Catholic now

>>94090889
Elijah reincarnated into John...who knew

>>94087990

Love being ORTHODOX! pravoslavie!

>>94090844
>useful
Useful for what, exactly?

>he didn't get out books and start reading stale historians and old stories and shit
He quoted Scripture pretty extensively. In fact his very life as fulfilling Scripture is his major theme.

>And the parable was worded such that a person on level 1 of their spiritual development, and a person on level 9, would both get something out it.
Or to ensure they wouldn't, depending on the case.

>He gave people a bit of real, pragmatic advice about how to live their lives better.
He told them to eat his flesh and drink his blood, and give all they had to the poor. He wasn't just a down-to-earth pragmatist by any means.

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>>94091098
Does Orthodox have this?

>>94090988

Who knew right

>11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

>12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

>13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

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>>94091227
No, we have this, which is much better.

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>>94091356
I am waiting for a Patristic intepretation that says that John is a reincarnation of Elijah

>>94091383
Ok, but you have animus too?

>>94091373
>You know what I mean
No. In fact, I'm not even sure you know what you mean.

>He didn't quote it in parables or much in the sermon of the mount
He sure did, his teachings were an intensification of Scriptural doctrine.

>So christ, the incarnation of god's expression, was trying to... decieve people. MEIN GOT
Nope, he just said some things to make them understandable to some, but incomprehensible to others.

>hmm? do you know what that word means lol
It means what's humanly realistic instead of idealistic.

>you're driving me so wild right now, i need to have you
You just told me you found me unengaging because I go in circles instead of stimulate you.

>>94091508
Lets check the old testament

>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.\

>or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

That includes anime

Being serious though if you practice the life style it will lead you away from things like anime and more towards seeking praying, fasting and constantly seeking mercy from God.

>>94091508
There will never by Church-promulgated anime. I don't think. We have some cartoons, though not that style. But who knows. I do highly doubt anime mascots would ever be approved for Church funding, but you could make them yourself if you wanted. I personally prefer just icons of saints.

>>94091605
Christ was fulfilling a lot of traditional prophecies, he didn't just come to overturn things, he said that himself.

>>94091729
I'm not going to keep talking to you if you sexualize me. If you want to know why I don't post my voice or my picture online, it's because of people like you.

>>94091803
God's Word, God's Wisdom, Jesus of Nazareth.

>>94091508
>I am waiting for a Patristic intepretation that says that John is a reincarnation of Elijah


I have no idea of as yet , a theory might be that god sends elijah's spirit to john , like jesus send his father holy ghost to us , but only did so when he went to heaven.

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>>94091702
>art=idolatry
This is why I cannot take Calvinists seriously

>>94091703
My drawing is not good enough to be on the same level as Mary chan

>>94091902
>being this Protestant

>>94091902
Then it is something foreign

>>94092017
That looks pretty sexual to me.

>>94092043

Have a better one then?

>>94091702
That refers to idols, statues worshipped. A lot of ancient peoples worshipped the images themselves, not as a way of worshipping the god or spirit represented by them, but as beings worthy of worship themselves.

>>94092090
yea the girls in back can see her pussy

>>94092141
Elijah was taken bodily into heaven. John the Forerunner is a "type" of Elijah, and the actual Elijah himself will return (and, in Orthodox tradition, by martyred) to announce Christ's Second Coming.

>>94092165
Why did it include the *any* likeness part instead of just leaving it at any graven image?

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>>94092227
Actually yes. Check out Anchor Bible Dictionary for more information

>>94092090
That is not official art

>>94092231
>"type" of Elijah

Thats not what the bible says it was prophecied that eliajh came first to clear the way, not a john the baptist elijah look alike

>>94092381
>Actually yes. Check out Anchor Bible Dictionary for more information
ill b honest
i prob won't do that

>>94092408
I mean "type" in the theological sense, how the term is used in Greek, which means something like a parallel. John the Baptist is a type of Elijah (Matthew 11:14), but not Elijah himself (John 1:21)

Elijah will come first, before the Second Coming.

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>>94092466
Then check out this cute nun

>>94092536

Yes elijah came in john the baptist mum, and that is wat elijah came first means john the baptist is his son

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>>94092627
What's the Greek word that they used?

>>94092325
I'll be a monastic.

>>94092746
τύπος

>>94092779
If you stop shitposting, I'll talk to you, okay?

>>94092725
You are looking at the wrong one

>>94092924
What would you like to talk about?

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>>94090610
You should become Catholic, anon

We have plenty of loli nuns.

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I'll make a Mary chan for Orthodoxy. She will be called Constantina

>>94093003
You have plenty of loli alter boys too, apparently.

>>94092627

Dude there are many parts of the bible i dont understand and i will wait till the holyghost will give me more insight , john being elijah was the biggest problem i found in the bible , and the hardest to crack , and a type of elijah just does not do it .

>Elijah will come first, before the Second Coming.

How did you even think this . maybe you should stop looking at shit like got questions ,that shit would only make people atheists

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>>94093003
Mary chan isn't a loli

>>94093078
>How did you even think this
Patristics. Plus, the OT says it.

>>94092311
Because that's what idol statues looked like? 5 chapters later: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be".

>>94093180
Wasnt the context of that a specific exemption for the ark?

>>94093134

Jesus will come as a thief in the night , what on earth would elijah do before the second comming , no elijah came first in the first comming

>>94093045
i'm not a fag, fags belong to Hell.

>>94093388
Elijah will call people to repent, and be martyred for it.

John the Baptist is not Elijah, that is overtly said in Scripture. He is "a" Elijah, so to speak, but not THE Elijah who will show before the dread coming.

>>94093311
Where do you see an exemption?

>>94093626
>Where do you see an exemption?

As the holds a unique place and value hence it seems like it would be an exemption to allow for such decorations.

Hence why the *any* likeness would have been added rather than just leaving the ban being on graven images.

All graven images are idols but not all images of likeness are.

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>>94093581

Thats cute you think that the day of the lord is the same as the second comming


>Elijah will call people to repent, and be martyred for it.

better he be preaching in the middle east then because we stopped killing heretics some time ago, since we are the lost sheep he would preaching in europe , i will not see that happen , how can elijah die when he is immortal ... checkmate 2 ,that guy must be thousands years old

>>94094039
The entire first temple was decked out by depictions of angels. So was the second temple.

"Graven image" is a translation of what is roughly the Hebrew word "form", which means the thing itself, or an *apparition* of something. The English word "idol" comes from the Greek word for form, the English work "icon" comes from the Greek word for image. Idols were literally thought to be man made apparitions of Gods, that's why they were haram. The word has nothing to do with "image" in the general sense, which is a different word (God created man in his own "image", for instance, uses a totally different term, in both Hebrew and Greek). In "theological" terms, an idol is something thought to be consubstantial with what it depicts.

>>94094039
Well, but if that's an exemption, shouldn't every iconography that is made to appease God be acceptable?

So statues of Jesus, of the Virgin Mary, of Saints too?
And shouldn't we make images of God Himself too?

>>94094294
It would seem so unless its specifically requested if we are to rely only on the bible

>>94094109
I think the "dread" day of the Lord is the Second Coming, yeah. There is nothing to dread about the First Coming, quite the opposite. Also the First Coming is hardly like a "oven", which is how the coming after Elijah comes is described as in the OT. It's also said that after Elijah, Christ will come to tread the wicked as ash--does that sound like the First Coming, or the Second Coming, to you?

>>94094358
Post Childporn on a tan cream board or sexual and gore images on a blue one, pol has lazy mods trolling a religious thread wont have any effect.

>>94094425
I'm cold.

>>94094624
I really don't. You're offensive and obnoxious.

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>>94078335

>>94094730
He's Catholic, not Orthodox.

>>94094398
I believe, as a Christian, that the Bible is the written form of oral laws and stories passed to the future generations
And because of it is not the perfect representation of God's Will because of the pollution that men could have done to it
It is still the best attempt at recording God's Will that we have

Our reasoning should come from the Lord Christ Himself and this happens by being in communion with him so that He will according to His time make us into what He desires us to be

>>94094358
Try impersonating a mod or a janitor (somwehere around a week or even longer, I don't remember) or posting a pony (3 days), they don't need much effort but anger hotpockets like nothing else.

>>94094294
Jesus is God himself. That was the major argument for iconography in the Seventh Ecumenical Council, that if venerating a physical image is haram, then venerating Christ himself would have been haram, which obviously doesn't make sense.

>>94095287
Thanks, but I don't want your attention

jesus christ im funny

>>94094477
>14The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

15That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

16A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.


Now these trumpets are important because you got 7 of them in revelations, the day of the lord is not the second comming


>1Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;

2Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.

>3Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

The Judgment on the Philistines

(Jeremiah 47:1-7)

>4For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.

>5Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.


see day of the lord means a day of judgement . when the jews killed jesus it was also the day of the lord because the jews lost their religion

The orthodox church is cancerous.

It is as corrupted as the catholic church, because it is run by people and people tend to be corrupted when they gain influence.

>>94095537
nice

>>94095930
what isnt run by people you fucking romanian nigger

at least it isnt hierarchized and centralized like the roman church is, so the corruption has to be smaller

>>94096196
No its not
In Romania is even worse because they are building expensive cathedrals with money from public taxes, and not everyone in Romania is orthodox.
And the clergy is full of nepotism just like any institution in Romania.

>>94078335
Friendly reminder that the council of Chalcedon was heretic and against christianity itself.