Degeneration of Music

>>139814186
Probably sex and money.

classical music is art

modern music is emotions

What you dont hear is the crap from their time. Of course there was shit music in the classical music era. It just died off because of how shit it was, just like shit music today wont be heard in 300 years.

>>139814478
The problem is that all music today is shit.

>>139814186
> I am curious on peoples theories on how music eventually became what it is now

Literally niggers

>>139814782
Very narrow view of music my friend. Stop listening to pop music and dig a little deeper into genres that appeal to you.

>>139814782
There are other music genres besides pop and rap you know?

>>139814186
There's beautiful modern music, you just have to look for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqovQsi1GNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl7GHlMDwiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uhTwxqE4Co

>>139814904
Please enlighten me. What music do you think will be remembered in the future? Provide links please.

>>139815416
kek.

this is the greatest recording that i know of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZZhD0J3jfM
listen through, from 2:00 on the song becomes almost unbearably beautiful.

There was a lot of pleb folk music back then written by people who are completely forgotten. Some folksy tunes from way back have been preserved for the ages by e.g. Bartok or Liszt.
Beethoven wrote "easy listening" pleb crap music besides his symphonies, sonatas, concertos, quartets, etc. Even around Bach's day people thought his music was too complicated, too many notes.
Modern "classical" music still exists but you might not stumble upon it unless you got to symphonies or ballets or classical music competitions. I've heard modern stuff at a ballet for example that I thought was very good, reminiscent of Prokofiev's or Shostakovich's modernness. Also heard modern classical at a pipe organ competition which was torturous minimalistic avant-garde crap. It's hit or miss.
Commercialism, marketing, low cost of entry, and low cost of self publishing is what makes music what it is today. Kikes for the big label stuff, and for the indie stuff, a million bands, a thousand difference niche genres that mostly no one gives a fuck about.

>>139814782
then you havent been looking. you can find a decent sound from most genre if you look hard enough.

>>139814186
It was a surprisingly slow but consistent process, basically if you make simple, easy music popular then you can either rehash old music or create it really easily and without a composition degree. Making art more accessible for (poor) artists was a running goal of the Marxist intellectuals who began dominating universities after Hitler scared them out of Europe.

Neoclassicism is basically dirty because it has the potential to raise standards and make it difficult to create art again.

>>139815577
why does it need to be remembered? is it not enough that you enjoy it but that everyone has to?

>>139814186
Sounds like you just don't know very much about modern music. Have you ever even listened to Sufjan Stevens or Joanna Newsom?

>>139815577
the song "untitled 03" by kendrick lamar is undoubtably the best rap song of the last 20 years. absolutely incredible insight by that man. unfortunately you cannot find it on youtube and the record label wouldn't let him put it on a major record.

>>139815971
That nigger only sounds insightful he is a true pathos driven dumbass

>>139815416
3:50 duration LOL
That's just shit and was probably made for people with low attention.

>>139815749
Also one might consider film composers as the modern form of opera composers.
Opera composers would often set music to a play or poem or theme written by somebody else.
Even Prokofiev wrote music for a number of movies.

>>139815416
I like Phillip Glass' work. I'm not a music connoisseur, but I would say this is influenced by him with a mix with synth. I like it, but it will take me a few listens to see if I enjoy it.

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>>139815416

>>139815749
>>139816217
This argument is pretty worn out by now. It doesn't address the fact that our ancestors not only produced more great artwork than we do, but also did it with 5% as many potential artists.

>>139816077
>pathos driven dumbass
what? literally what?
pathos is the only quality required in art for it to be truly beautiful.

>>139814782
> The problem is that all music today is shit


How wrong can you be!? https://youtu.be/GvD3CHA48pA

>>139815971
I lived with band geek who love Mahler and shostakovich, but also loved Kendrick Lamar. I gave him an unbiased listen and thought he was shit imo.

>>139814186
Gould and Peterson: the only good things to come out of Canada.

I am quite adept at bass guitar (playing for 4 years), and very very good at drums (playing for 10), and I'm well versed in music theory. Here's my tl;dr rant:

Music degenerated after 2005, in my opinion. During the 50s-2000s you had a wealth of musical genres and styles and concepts that I cannot see matched from any other time period. Back in this time you had crappy mainstream music for the normies, and actual art in the underground for people who cared.

Music nowadays on the other hand is disgustingly homogenized, not a single artist has a unique sound anymore, it's all just copying from each other. There are couple of factors at play here:

1. Sampling is considered acceptable. Many hack artists these days are just placing beats under old "unfashionable" musical styles which were genuinely good so they can reap praise whilst essentially having done jack shit. Most people without knowledge of popular music from the past cannot see this when it is happening either.
2. There's no underground or mainstream anymore. Thanks to hipster culture, you have lots of people who think it's fashionable to pretend to like actually good artists, so they end up pandering to people who don't actually listen to them.
3. Loudness wars. All music made nowadays is compressed to extremes to squeeze the highest amount of decibels out of it as possible. There is no dynamic range either. Every song you hear is going to be loud from start to finish.
4. People have abandon music theory. Most idiots for some reason think that music theory is some kind of set of rules your forced to follow, so they don't learn it thinking it will restrict their "creativity". What they don't realize is you use music theory whether or not you actually have studied and understand it. So everyone ends up playing the same D major 3 note crap melodies.

>>139814186

i bet you'd love this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV7VNhzFLOQ

>>139814186
I like classical music too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFpYhddQ9xg
>>139815577
There's lots of good modern music like John Adams operas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apmYWNbmKrM

>>139816704
I agree other than comedy. I love John Candy's stuff and Mike Meyers

>>139816254
I think in general that's correct, that minimalism has had some large influence on modern forms of electronic music. The last link is very obviously influenced by Erik Satie btw.

>>139816156
It's popular music, sure it's not meant to be overly complex however. It is still beautiful by any measure.

>>139815623
I enjoyed it!

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tbqh I miss some of the tunes I listened to during my degenerate edgy teen years... *sigh*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCWRMY_OwqI

>>139816217
Film composers today are nothing compared to the film composers of yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZPgGbUuX0

>>139814186
Juvenoia

>>139816784
Interesting, Thanks.

>>139816722
This.
Its nightmarish anymore.
And god damn do I hate sampling
some filthy nigger or "edm" artist gets their hands on an old jam and loops it.

>>139817308

do you not consider that to be degenerated music though?

>>139814186
How old are you like 15?

>>139814186
(((Schoenberg)))

>>139816402
>This argument is pretty worn out by now.
Facts don't become untrue because they are repeated or old.

He's a more /pol/ answer if you want it: marxists, kikes, and literally the CIA pushing the corrosive cultural meme that taste, refinement, and beauty are passé; and that gritty, edgy, subversive, ugly art is the real deal. Western society is in decline. Children are not required to learn the piano and the piano is no longer the centerpiece of entertainment in the average home.

Liszt was a rock star in his day, but sadly IMO there are no modern classical musicians who are popular like rockstars except to classical enthusiasts.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2011/08/its-fun-to-smash-things/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpOtuoHL45Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqrusoQ6xVM

this one sounds a lot like the soundtrack from Morrowind at some parts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz0b4STz1lo

Here's some Metal from Vivaldi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY1p-FmjT1M

>>139817553
Literally nothing wrong with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KAw5Mthveo

The degeneracy starts here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsIATAaR-X0

>>139814186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1dBg__wsuo

Jazz is good. Adorno hated jazz because lefties hate anything that's good. It interferes with their agenda to admit some things are good and other things are not.

>>139817347
Sampling is literally nothing more than musical fraud. It's genuinely stomach churning to even contemplate that it's somehow an accept "form" of music. You can sample gracefully, but involved actually turning the sample into a completely new song. And I wouldn't even really care if it wasn't for cancer that it brings. Go to any song that's relatively underground that's been sampled by a rapper and you'll see almost every comment praising the rapper for sampling them, while the original composer of the melodies they consider so great is plopped right infront of them and they don't give a rat's arse. It's just complete and utter degeneracy.

Here's a classic example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIWZ4dqKmJs

Every single comment is about kanye. And all he fucking did was steal the opening.

Good degenerate music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnlAPR_ixo4

>>139814186

I'm more into jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPeXVzn-UcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LFVWBmoiw

>>139816722
As a teen in the '90s, I was really into trading MP3s, as I had access to my dad's large collection to encode and I worked at an ISP long before most people had broadband. I saw the writing on the wall that we would soon be in a world where everyone would have whatever music they pleased at their fingertips, and I predicted that there would be a sort of musical renaissance as a generation grew up with this kind of access. However, with some exceptions, it sort of seems like the opposite is happening. Perhaps people value music even less because of how accessible it is now. Not having to play themselves, listen to in a formal or sacred settings, or even having take an LP out of a jacket and blow off the dust, has cheapened it.

The main, big composers of what is commonly termed "classical" music existed up until the time of WWI and shortly after, with few exceptions. The golden age of symphonic, operatic, orchestral, and other genres was in the decades before-hand and right up until the end were becoming increasingly sophisticated harmonically, melodically while still conforming in some part to the traditional structures. Why is this? The same reason that much of the stylistic shifts thereafter has shown a musical scene with no real dominant stylistic strains, but a continual hyper-individualistic hodge-podge with no real binding stylistic traits. It is also the same reason that a classical tradition never really flourished in America but mainly just in Europe. It has everything to do with how society is structured. Before and leading up to WWI, Europe was possessed by a landed hereditary aristocratic ruling class, which among other things clustered and hoarded intelligence and education (why do you think the Brahmins have 113 average IQ while the average Indian has nigger-tier IQ? Such is the result of societal stratification, excaserbated by structural supports). This ruling class developed the patronage system, under which artists and musicians could make money IF they could make such music conforming competitively to the cultured tastes of aristocracy. Today the market incentives drives creative energies towards appealing towards the broadest possible, uncultured, uneducated, basest tastes possible. Aural propaganda; to appeal to the least common denominator. Artists today are all shitlibs. That's a result of consumerist capitalism, where the economic incentive is in appealing to the broadest possible mass, having the least divisive opinions, etc., and the artists who succeed are able to succeed because they appeal to the broadest mass, with their cloaked nihilism. The artist of yesterday was conservative, and Wagner was their liberals (who wanted to gas the kikes before his time

>>139817829
Jazz is good compared to modern pop, but it's still degenerate. Jazz was explicitly banned by the Nazis because it's negermusik.

>>139817568
>Facts don't become untrue because they are repeated or old.
yeah, jumped the gun and replied before reading the end of your post. I thought you were one of those faggots arguing that "everythings the same artistically, its all relative man xD"

>>139817568

>Western society is in decline

That statement makes it seem like it's part of a natural process. It isn't. It's being undermined on purpose.

A culture or society isn't "in decline" when it's being bombed by an enemy. It's under attack.

We are under attack. Not "in decline".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h5M78YVN8M this is the only acceptable music fuck you guys !!!!!

evanescence. Gothic rock/pop

>>139817842
Forget it about man.
My brother and close friend unironically thinks Kanye is a genius.
I dont care that rap exists, I dislike how its critiqued.

>>139818261
100%

black metal is the contemporary derivative of the western musical canon

>>139818284
I appreciate the honest reply

>>139818325
...good point

>>139818352
This is the best national anthem in the world by far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBnAZ_qSYJU

>>139817842
And when i hear opening like such in a rap or pop song i cant get the image out of my head that the fans and the artist thinks it takes some sort of extreme music talent to sample.

>>139815416
>autechre
>good
>>>/mu/

>>139814186
Turn off MTV and the radio. Start looking beyond the shitfest that is the mainstream. There is plenty of beauty to be found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HHgedNNQco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enTY6AITe1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se6-q57xJCg

>>139818699

Electronic music from the 70s to now is objectively the modern equivalent of le fucking classical numales constantly harp on about

>>139814186
Two words: Jewish netopism.

>>139818261
>eason that a classical tradition never really flourished in America but mainly just in Europe.
Well, we had Barber and Ives and Hovhannes.

The main reason it failed to flourish here is that a good many of us were living in somewhat primitive conditions until the latter half of the 19th century. Recollect how many of us were farmers, lawyers, laborers, doctors, in small towns, with no chance of hearing a Brahmns symphony.

>>139818755
Yeah, there's a lot of great pop music out there, but that just leaves me even more depressed. It's squandered talent imo

>>139818261
Some good points, although, even the folk music by and for the common people was better in the past. So much so that many of the great composers borrowed heavily from it.

>>139818113
Good stuff, Thanks

>>139814186
Radio killed it.
Before the invention of radio there were 2 kinds of music, artistic and tribal. Artistic music was made by wealthy educated elites and was aesthetic driven. Tribal music was the shit the peasants made with sticks and strings and shit and was message driven. Once radio came about the largest audience was the peasents so their shitty style of music became dominant

The immediacy of the musician/audience/mass media/internet dialog has fundamentally altered everything. There was a time gap between composition, performance, feedback, availability at one time. That's been compressed to nanoseconds now. They're indistinguishable. Music is trying to find an equilibrium in this new space. I have all of Bach on a spare drive in my desktop machine. All of Mozart, all of Beethoven, all of Mahler, all of Tchaikovsky. All of it available with a finger twitch. The effort to hear - and the care involved in the reward of hearing - it's all gone. Can't put the genie back in the bottle though. The old relationships of patron-composer-audience-recording-distribution are relics of another time. Those relationships defined form and structure. What comes next I'm sure I don't know.

>>139818261
>>139818906
We did have a pretty lively classical/ orchestral music scene with people like Gershwin and Copland until about the 50s and 60s when pop music became mainstream.

>>139818113

Bill Evans is great.

I'm sure pol digs Prokofiev:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBYZvGWj_Xs

>>139814782
I was born in the wrong generation too \m/

There's god-tier white music of every era

>>139818906
I don't buy it. America has a lively tradition in other musical genres, like vaudeville, or hymnals, the latter going back a long time. The economic incentive existed there culturally and the means to sustain oneself. And besides, we have more opportunity in the modern age than anyone in history to hear a Brahms symphony, and here we are discussing why music isn't like it used to be. Barber was an over-rated fag, so were Ives and Hovhannes and Copland along with them, loads of shit. Traditions, like the one in Europe come about because of structural incentives. The same incentives for artists today existed back then, but one had to out-Wagner a Wagner to get it while today you have to be the better pop star.

>>139818261
breef and weel explained history of why and how music was made before the emplifier (electric guitar) in a nutshell.

saved.

>>139818261
pretty spot on; of course there's more genres besides pop but even in those genres the music doesn't vary too much

I know it's not taylor swift, but goddamn Netrebko's casta diva is good and she's widely popular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSodSvo1Lg

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>>139814186
Perhaps the first modernist, Wagner's chromaticism pushed tonality to its limit. Harmony, which was what made white music white, had nowhere to go but in an atonal direction, and everything unraveled after that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhfWTif0030

>>139819469
Copland and Gershwin? Two gay jews who were into niggerizing and subverting music? That's an anti-tradition.

>>139815033
Rock and metal of the 21st century is maximum faggotry.

The only not-dead genre made today is EDM, and still only like 2% at that

>>139820018
Jazz is still going strong.

>>139819170
true. I think it's more complicated than what I said earlier. A bit of a simplification. But appealing to popular tastes always has had a degree of incentives. It's all about being able to sustain oneself in doing something. But one could get Beyoncé-levels of wealth under the patronage system

>>139814186
>implying
Neo-classical music is god tier. Just because pop culture likes shitty music doesn't mean all music is degenerate.

>>139814186
You used to have to have money to buy music, but now every nigger and their unknown dad stream music on their phones. All about ad time on whatever app, not quality. Thus we get this garbage. Woke up to my retarded step brother who is renting a room from me pumping this shit out of my sound system. Guess who lost his stereo priveliges. Probably just going to kick him out if he wants to play that shit in my house.

https://youtu.be/uQ_DHRI-Xp0

>>139814186
Hey man, that's just not true. A lot of modern music is art as well. Progressive Metal and Jazz fusion are probably at the forefront of that. Stuff like this may take a bit to get into due to the harsh vocals, but give it a listen. There are lots of bands like this out there, keeping creativity alive in music.
https://youtu.be/G8nM0LTxTOo

If you can't at least appreciate the Beaty, creativity, mastery of instumentation, and dedication that goes into music like this, well then idk. Just hang yourself because you're a miserable sack of shit

>>139819876
Haydn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OitPLIowJ70

>>139819903
Correct
At least Schoenberg's kike subversion is honest and contains accidentally beautiful passages

>>139819883
I like Wagner, but he's a bit slow for contemporary tastes. Maybe I just listen to the ring too much, but it's like 1 chord for 20 minutes, then another chord and so on.

>>139820146

"Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny." Frank Zappa

>>139820146
Huh, I never paid much mind to jazz, definitely not my to-go genre

>>139820372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0c2LjKdqqw

>>139818325
Awesome, but how to subvert the subversion?

>>139820253
>linked song
>Garbage djent+poser death metal+faggot vocals
This is exactly what I was talking about

>>139820253
I really can't get past those vocals. I want to hear people sing, which I can't do very well myself, but I could scream like this guy.

>>139820372
he's not only changing chords, but modulating in every other fucking bar in the except above

>>139819170
Same issue with folk music I think. There was no recorded music, so musicians were able to make a living performing in weddings, funerals, community and church events, in taverns etc. If you wanted music, you needed musicians. There was structural incentive to hone the craft, whereas today bar bands are comprised by mediocre hobbyists

>>139814478
>>139814782
>>139815577 this one ^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C78HBp-Youk

>>139820422
This

Ah, here comes the fedora tipper, the cynical edgelord who smuggly hides behind classical music's aura of intellectualism

Classical music is full of 1-3 minute tracks
Not without a reason new musical avenues were explored, new ranges of sounds. There are still much complexity involved in music, even more in popular songs than in the short classical tracks of old days!
Hundreds of millions enjoy music or listen to some genre of music, but you simply must be contrarian and proclaim you enjoy only classical music?

>>139820674
Try some Tesseract
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGCn6g95PBY

>>139816638
Pretty fucking gay

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>>139814186
>modern music isn't complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG6ILrVaZ7A
The lead guitarist is a nigger too.

>>139817829
That was a beautiful link, thank you.

>>139821443
Tosin is an honorable Aryan desu. Though his music tends to be a little bit too technical and not enough emotion for my taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt-RoSzsEKA

>>139820253
>>139820674
Try symphonic/melodic metal. There are a ton of bands from the Nordic regions. Once you find a band you like its easy to find more from looking at who they tour with or use Pandora.

A lot of people are nitpicky with vocals and are either obsessed with death metal vocals or absolutely hate them. The only metal band I like a lot with growling vocals is Sirenia, because they balance it out with that operatic female singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIBdpFJyFkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-X-9UNu3Nw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qdcl67H1Jw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGp0kms-GEk

>>139820583
Hold on now. Your ignorance of music is showing. Periphery was the original band that inspired all of the copy cats after fusing the style of music of "meshuggah" with other genres. You don't have to like it, but you just sound like a snobby elitist faggot. I'd be surprised if you can even sing or play an instrument.

>>139820253
How did metal turn from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lR1tt24mo4
Into that kind of "New Metal" faggotry?

>>139821595
>Though his music tends to be a little bit too technical and not enough emotion for my taste
Agreed, they like to play in weird tempos too. I prefer Dream Theater: technical and emotional.

>>139821838
"New Metal Faggoty"
Because music evolves over time. I have just as much respect for that artist as I do these. You're just a fucking cynical faggot who probably can't even read sheet music but think your opinion means anything.

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>>139814186
>I am curious on peoples theories on how music eventually became what it is now,

https://youtu.be/74WBlcqml6Y

>>139821720
He doesn't have to be an ignorant snob to dislike those vocals. I don't like them either. But hey its pretty popular nowadays for people to like self-trained vocalists who use their nasal to sing, so I wont judge too hard.

>>139822024
"Because music evolves over time."
Devolves*

"I have just as much respect for that artist as I do these."
I don't see the point in respecting shit. Not a single new metal artist can compose something that is even remotely complex, they are all repetitive shit made for attention deficit morons.

"You're just a fucking cynical faggot who probably can't even read sheet music but think your opinion means anything."
I have studied music for about 3 years when i was a teenager, but still that's not an argument.

https://youtu.be/BD9IT9a63RM

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>>139814782

Its fairly simple what happened to music

The people used to demand music. When elvis became super famous and rock n roll blew up, young people went out and bought his albums. as a result, copycats started showing up and other bands who expanded on that sound. That general formula went on for about 40 years until just before grunge died. The last 20 years of music are just half-assed rip offs of other bands. Look at decades and the roll over of genres

1955-1967

American rock n roll, Doo-wop, R&B, Motown, Early Beatles

1967-1980

Psychedelic rock, Soft rock, Classic rock,

1980-1990

New Wave, Synthesized Rock, Indie pop/Rock

1990-1994

Grunge, more Indie pop/rock but more screechy

1994-1997

Boy bands/ girl bands, Aqua, Gangster rap

1997-2005

Bunch of just ok music but majority is trash, penis rock

2005-2017

Irredeemable trash that nobody would be proud to exclaim they grew up with

In reality mainstream pop music IMO, has been shit for far longer than this. For a good indication of how far modern music has fallen look at the billboard charts for certain decades.

The artists used to be separate entities from eachother. ABBA didn't need to consort with the Bee-Gees to make music. They each had their own sound. Nowadays, every song is by blankity blank featuring blankity blank and they sound the same

>>139814415
All art is based on emotion

>>139822149
>there will never exist another musician as creative, talented, based and wise as Zappa
Vai comes close, but he's too egotistical.

>>139822309
>Not a single new metal artist can compose something that is even remotely co-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJi8iSpzq9I

>>139822417
> Steve Vai
> New Metal

>>139819442

I'm not so sure. Great things endure. The pendulum swings. You can only eat so much candy before it makes you sick. Neoliberalism and the consumerist mindset cannot endure.

I have faith in beauty and faith in people. I cannot listen to the Chaconne or gaze upon a Botticelli and not have faith.

Truth and beauty and light will win out in the end.

>>139822309
Listen to Wintersun and ignore the vocals. The composer may be an entitled prick, but his work is way more complex than what you posted. And its much more classical in design.

>>139822417
My fault for not using capitalized word btw.
I was referring to New Metal as a genre, which is very popular today, not to new artists who play metal.

>>139822309
You're constructing my argument for me. What is and isn't shit is subjective. You call the song I posted not complex... the opening riff is a lightning fast whole tone arpeggio leading into a breakdown with layered polyrhythms and motifs. You don't even know what you're talking about and it's obvious. Keep jerking off into your trendies to music from the 70's that isn't coming back.

>>139822702
Do you mean nu-metal? I've never heard of a genre called New Metal

>>139822702
Periphery isn't nu-metal.

>>139818261
>Why is this? The same reason that much of the stylistic shifts thereafter has shown a musical scene with no real dominant stylistic strains, but a continual hyper-individualistic hodge-podge with no real binding stylistic traits.

Literally the opposite happened: post-WWII composers rejected en masse the main aspects of Romanticism, individualism was one of these. Composers like Boulez and Xenakis, and generally virtually every 20th century serialist/formalist, were trying to make music that was purely consequential, rather than something that was born out of istincts and passions.

>>139814186
Why are you implying a continuum between Baroque/Classical music and modern popular music? If you want to talk about what is the classical music of this century, you should talk about contemporary music.

Rock, pop, hip hop, metal, IDM, any popular genre you can think of: these are the product and evolution of tavern and folk songs, not of German Symphonies and Italian Operas.

>>139822723
You can name everything, still doesn't make it complex. That's just repetitive shit, sorry if i offended your monkey music.

>>139822223
Singing through your mask is a perfectly valid technique. But it should be used appropriately.

>>139816669
Probably too complex for you. Rap is very vocal and wordy

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>>139822997
Which is why smart people are known for listening to rap...oh wait

>>139822765
It's written "New Metal" in my country and i thought it was the same in the US, but yes, it is Nu Metal.

>>139822947
God what a fucking faggot. What do you even consider complex?

>>139822947
Periphery are great musicians and I'm sure Jason Becker would agree. How can you expect anybody to compare to Becker? Guy was on a completely different level.

>>139823282
I already posted 5 musics in here, just look for them.
A little faggot screaming like a retard is not complex, he is just chimping out.

>>139823282
what he posted was pretty complex compared to new ages metal.

>>139822947
Complexity is a meme. There a million math rock bands that make shit music.

>>139823282
>>139822947
You speak of complexity as if it's somehow a virtue. Complex music can be good, and complex music can be shit. The best music tends to be music that has hidden complexity that doesn't prevent you from actually enjoying it on an emotional level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ8LB6KHHMs

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>>139823409
That fag band reminds me of this.
This is how imagine the little screaming faggot singing.

>>139823493
You don't even notice the drums until I point them out to you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kObw63scg

>>139823493
I honestly hate how most music uses this fuckin "chill beat" shit.

>>139814186
>i wrong born in le wrong generation

There is still mondern composers who come near the levels of classical music but you don't take the time to find them. Modern music isn't shit and if you think so then you are only focusing on top 40.

>>139823619
>You don't even notice the drums until I point them out to you
the fuck are you talking about?

>>139815577
what kind of genre of music do you like and Ill recommend you an album

>>139814186
In a sense, pop music specifically has become like a frozen dinner, they're cheap (in price and quality) quick to make, mildly satisfying, low risk of fucking up, and always the same taste.
The industry around pop music specifically produces music not for the sake of creating music, but for the sake of making as much money as possible. They've had to resort to subtle brainwashing to get music to sell. The reason music used to be good was that there was actual talent behind the writing and performance, and a love and passion for music propelling it.

sometimes, there is a fine line between genius and insanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpt3yNWeKJg

>>139814186
Classical music wasn't mainstream they probably had some other lame stuff for the commoner, there is still a lot of complex music written even today, it just doesn't get as much exposure as nigger music does.

Anyway thanks for the link, beautiful.

>>139823178
This is asinine, even for pol.

>>139823674
Hidden complexities that serve the music rather than having the music serve as a way to showcase how amazing of a virtuoso you are.

>>139823816
the drums are obvious as fuck

>>139823845
Only because I pointed them out. I listened to that song probably 20 times before understanding how much of a genius the drummer is.

https://youtu.be/m6ZgytCOBw8?t=6m10s

>>139818261
Damn this was actually a really great analysis

>>139823967
You may have a hearing problem.

>>139823967
>Only because I pointed them out
the literally start at 40 seconds and they arnt some hidden element to the music stop trying to over complicate your music to make yourself feel better.

>>139815416
that shit makes me nauseous.

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fuck off with your grandpa music
modern music is way better and not so boring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7ff11EmBr0

>>139814186
You are a fucking faggot. It's all about 21savage today.

>>139824061
You're missing my point entirely. I literally said that complexity is not a virtue

>>139814186
https://youtu.be/0oS5ogCoyaI

https://youtu.be/cxc_i9TOqfQ

https://youtu.be/j3aWKe423VI

>>139814186
I also appreciate classical music. I was classically trained as a musician, and I currently work in the music industry, 10+ yrs. Music has been my entire life, bretty much.
I think we might return to the classical age at some point, but probably in another form. I think we're probably there now. New technology replaces the instruments of that era.
I also think the past 60+ years has been some of the most exciting music the world has ever seen, mostly due to its ability to make people move and dance.
A lot of music revolves around money and sex, but if you scrape that top layer of vapid noise off, you'll find that there's still amazing music being made.

>>139814186
https://youtu.be/j3aWKe423VI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ioilEr3Apw

Dont know what u whitebois are talkin about niggas whether Wagner is ebtter than Danielle Bregoli is competently subjective goy... i mean dude.

>>139814186
The music that sells nowadays is indeed degenerate. But have you even heard of neofolk? That's less degenerate than even classical.

Listening to synthwave right now.

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>>139824161
then why are you trying to add complexity to your music?

>>139823409
It's fucking retarded that you can't even bother to listen to the instrumentals. Jesus christ

Computer flooded us with shitty music. Still...there us good stuff but its buried.

OGA BOOGA RAP is nigger trash.

>>139823426
Yeah that guy does shred pretty hard, I'll give him credit for that. But the guys in Periphery can do the same damn thing, while visiting a variety of different musical landscapes. Take this 16 minute long ballad for example https://youtu.be/pjw5zKUb_w4

>>139824461
But computer music can be beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_3GEdXvPQ

>>139814186
https://youtu.be/j3aWKe423VI

>>139824374
I'm not trying to add anything to my music. It is what it is. The drumming in that song is more technical than 99% of music, but it blends in with the song rather than showboating.

>>139814186
https://youtu.be/cxc_i9TOqfQ

>>139814186
https://youtu.be/0oS5ogCoyaI

This board is a bunch of absolutely insufferable twats when it comes to music. Claiming that classical (or metal for that matter) is somehow the only "true" form of music and the rest is "dumb pop for the unwashed masses" while ignoring the plethora of different genres and forms of music is being ostentatiously ignorant adolescent with a bad of case of holier-than-thou attitude.

Open your mind just a tiny fucking bit and stop calling everything around you degenerate unless it features string quartet or dragons on the front cover.

Jazz killed it.

No one mentions technical death metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOx0ZAD05jw

>>139823178
Retarded graph baka.

>>139824641
Nigger jazz killed it.

https://youtu.be/tIyvB2nxaD0

>>139824727
Well, where do you think Jazz came from?

>>139814186
Most beautiful sonata ever composed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs
And a ghost story to go along with it. In a letter to a friend the composer, Tartini, stated that the inspiration behind it came from a dream. Where in he had sold his soul to the devil, in compensation he was given a servant who could do anything he wanted for him. He handed the servant a violin, and asked him to play. The song was so beautiful that upon awakening he immediately began to try to re-create it. This sonata is what came from that. Tartinin said it was so unlike what he had heard in his dream that if he had other means of making money he would have quit music altogether.

>>139824638
I never claimed that. It just pisses me off when faggots dismiss metal as a respectable genre, composition wise

>>139814186
Since music goes more and more mass produced electronic shit and/or generally lost all passion and meaning put into its creation it's been horrible.

I'm not gonna go full pure fag and say everything that's come out since classical music is horrible but geez the industry is degrading.

>>139824638
This. Stuff like >>139824525 is way better than some shitty metal song but /pol/cucks will say it's not music because it was made with a computer.

Radiohead can be pretty redpilled sometimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lstDdzedgcE

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>>139824638
It objectively is shitty recycled music for the unwashed masses you tryhard swedish fagget wigger. Kill yourself.

>>139824641
Show your working.

>>139824638
Upset that a small group of virgins on the internet dont like the same music you do so you have to jump into the discussion and call them all a bunch of insufferable twats? You sound like the biggest insufferable cunt here mate.

>>139824667
Tech death has a lot of talent musicians, but for the most part lacks diversity. Those bands rarely stray from anything but diminished minor keys

>>139824521
ive heard better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkucx1bzDk

>>139824574
>but it blends in with the song rather than showboating.
you mean like literally every other drum in most music ever?

>>139824638
But it is. Everything else is garbage, stay mad pop culture cuckold faggot.

>>139814186
It takes enormous discipline to be a classical musician. Technology creates and edits all of our music today. But this also makes it fake and is definitively artifice. Classical music has no editing and technological amplification, or at least it shouldn't, can't say for sure these days.

So most people hear a good classical musician and think 'I want to try that!' But then one of two things, or possibly both of these things happen:

1) they take a couple lessons and realize how extremely difficult it is and how disciplined they will have to be to show progress and become great, so they quit

2) they cannot find a good teacher and learn from some idiot who doesn't know shat they're talking about

#2 happens a lot with operatic singing, it requires enormous pharingal resonance and breathing and lining everything up together, which is insanely difficult because you can't actually see any of the vocal mechanism, let alone control it.

Tldr: in our technological world where everything is accessible, people do not have the patience or discipline to study and work at their craft. People think technology has made our world better. It has not. It has made it more shallow, people more arrogant, and has destroyed true beauty

>>139824852
Pleb genocide when? I wish we would legally kill people who listen to trash.

>>139824638
t. a mind cucked by ((( popular ))) music

By the way, popular metal is shit too.

Electronica in general holds many beautiful and worthy expressions in my opinion. The "instruments" given to us through machines are still a fairly new frontier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvo4MFLdmh0

>>139824946
>I've heard better

> links to a song of a guy soloing over a bunch of midi tracks

Are you fucking serious?

>>139825010
>The "instruments" given to us through machines are still a fairly new frontier.
too bad its mostly become rehashed trash, but I do love older DnB

People stopped playing and just passively listened instead.
Was a time every house had musical instruments, these days many people have them as ornaments.

>>139824960
Basically not many people can teach the way this music needs to be performed, and if someone can, few people will have the patience to tough it out and stick with it.

No the greatness of craft comes without being bad at it for a really long time. We only see the finished product in great operatic singers and soloist. We don't see the thousands of hours they put in behind the scenes to get there. There is no sure things or short cuts.

>>139824946
>you mean like literally every other drum in most music ever?
have you never heard a 5 minute drum solo before?

>>139814415

Nigger

>>139825109
vs another progmetal band? yes. what you posted wasnt bad but if I wanted to listen to some shit like that id just throw on dream theater.

>>139825168
What time was that?

>>139825216
sure I have but you're acting like this guy being a supportive drummer is some kind if new and amazing thing.

What about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8645NXG-iII

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>>139825010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onzNW-ASCgg

>>139825319
When Jews and their technology took over music.

>>139825310
One of the guitarists of periphery is the nephew of John Petrucci. You are just oldfagging to be an oldfag

If you can’t see the quality in Kendrick Lamar’s music I just assume you haven’t given him a fair shake because “lol nigger music”

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>>139814186
This mans name is Lyor Cohen.

Lyor Cohen (Hebrew: ליאור כהן; born October 3, 1959) is an American music industry executive.

Cohen has been actively involved in Hip-Hop at various top labels for more than 30 years, as the industry grew from the margins of pop culture to the mainstream. He started by managing highly successful rappers for pioneering firm Rush Productions, then led Def Jam, the Hip Hop genre's top record label at the time, "the most important African-American music company since Motown" according to Newsweek.[1]

After Def Jam, Cohen successively assumed the leadership of one of the music industry's major labels, Warner, which represent popular musicians of all genres (including Rap, rock, and country). In September 2012 Cohen put in his resignation at Warner and eventually started his own independent label, 300.

https://youtu.be/OO3WF1Ek7RU?t=431
Skip to around 7:10 in this video if the timestamp doesn't work and listen carefully to what he says.

Now obviously the Jews control everything, but it's another thing entirely for this man to be so open about it.

Its always the man who doesn't want to be noticed that's pulling the strings.

What if I told you Lyor Cohen now runs Youtube Music. He's now in a position to promote his artists and his agency AND HIS DEGENERACY to the masses on an even more massive scale.

THIS MAN HAS DESTROYED BLACK CULTURE FOR DECADES.

Listen, if you're a black person and you're reading this you have to know about this and you have to start stigmatizing degeneracy. Theres a reason mumble rappers are more popular now. There's a reason why rappers such as LIL UZI VERT (LIL LUCIFER) and other degenerates like XXXTENTACION (or however you spell that retards name) get promoted.

Nigs need to WAKE UP. FUCKING WAKE UP. IF YOURE FAVORITE ARTISTS ARE DOING DEGENERATE SHIT DONT LAUD THEM FOR IT.

>>139825319
Ongoing since the invention of the radio.
I play sax and bass, hardly anyone my age 44 plays any instruments.

>>139825410
>You are just oldfagging to be an oldfag
nah I just dont really care for progmetal much in the first place, like I said, what you posted wasnt bad.

I think the anlogy to use is; it's similar to how the printing press changed literature.
Music got into the hands of common people, and was easier to distribute. More people could aquire quality instruments, due to mass manufacturing, and proudcing/recording gear is so common anyone can pick it up for next to nothing.
Sure, it's no longer in the hands of trained masters. But, things like jazz and rock have produced virtuosos, that expanded the science of timing, structure and showmanship.
You don't find gold by looking at a creek, you gotta sift through sand for it.
Don't be a fag op.

>>139825432
He's not too bad. I enjoy some of his songs

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>>139825160
Consider the greatest electronic album of all time, friend.
https://youtu.be/nH9lqUZFdPk

>>139825366
Where did you get that impression? All I said was that it was complex drumming. He's hardly pioneering anything.

>>139825470
I should've been more clear. What time was it that every house had musical instruments?

>>139814186
Classical music has been proven to make children smarter. Thanks to my parents I'm not a 80 iq Ooga booga listener.

Studies about pop music are being buried. For a fact when people say it's just oponion that's not true. Pop music is scientifically inferior. And I'm sure that makes people retarded. If you have a child make him listen to it.

Favourite piece is concerto in c for cello Haydin.
And also I like a lot of oboes concertos. Favourite is probably marcello in d minor.

>>139825583
Early 20th century, most houses had a piano,even my broke granparents had a piano.

>>139825558
this isnt DnB.

>>139825564
and I fail to see how his drumming is complex when you keep saying you arnt trying to make anything complex.

>>139821898
DT is one of the most garbage bands ever. Yeah, they can play, but they can't write for shit. The compositions suck, the lyrics suck, everything sucks.

>>139825545
Ay lmao you know that pop music is written by a number of people in single digit?

>>139814186
The only electronic music that retains any elements of classical theory is esoteric power metal. And not the mainstream stuff you'll sometimes hear on the radio.

LISTEN TO MAN-O-WAR YOU FAGGOTS.

>>139825694
Why are you so autistic as to shit up this thread with petty word play?

>>139816578

>pathos is the only quality required in art

pleb education, kys purger

>>139814186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkae0-TgrRU

>>139825770
im sorry you feel that way I just dont see that drummer as anything special while playing in another generic slow song.

>>139825694
No one said it was. DnB is nigger-tier. Culprate is patrician af.

>>139825679
Middle class people mainly.

Boards of Canada is modern classical music

>>139814186
That s because you listen to shit modern songs, listen Nujabes or something

>>139825695
You opinion along with your post is shit.

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>>139825854
I dunno why you're linking me shit when I said I loved DnB then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWCJXVUsXfk

>>139814186
modern music will always appeal to the younger generations. the young generations will always to some degree have their heads in the clouds. you think you're invincible when you're young. you have all the time in the world. you want to party.

pop music of any kind will always pander to kids because they have the time to go to concerts and buy CDs and vibe while listening to their favorite artist. adults have to work.

ALSO:

as time goes on everyone has to outdo the last man. the Beatles sang about holding a girl's hand. then it evolved because "holding hands" became the norm. after that people started singing about sex. now people are singing/rapping about licking booty because everyone has already heard 100 songs about missionary. if the new artists want to have any staying power they need to create controversy and get people talking about them so they go a step up from the last guy

Fashstep when?

>>139818425
To tell people who actually write the music they steal from to "forget it" is just inane. What do you expect me to just work for free for some cunt who can steal my shit?

Hopefully someday this shit genuinely becomes illegal.

>>139825888
No even working class people.
My grandad played in a colliery band, white working class had prid, music and politics once.

>>139826133
Well, if you say your granddad played the fiddle, I guess you aren't just talking a load of shit.

Sampling should be illegal and samplers be executed.

>>139826332
Yes I know a colliery is a brass band.

>>139825735
Sand, like I said.

>>139814186
The niggification of music happened. It started with a small rap segment in songs, then autotune picked up and the robotic effect of way too much autotune and compression became popular, then we got sampling/stealing music from other songs, then lyrics became less alluded and more explicit about nigger things like how much money they have and how many whores they're fucking and how high they are, and now it's taking a turn towards who can move their jaw and tongue least while moaning in a drugged up stupor into a mic over a 4-16 bar rudimentary drum loop with some strings and booming bass playing the root notes of a 4 chord pattern. There's no variety, there's no variance, there's no talent, there's only niggers. It takes 5-10 people to write a shitty song with a "fire beat" that any untrained idiot can learn right away and the "artist" isn't even the one who wrote it. Where's the modern bands? EDM is shitty "come watch me press my laptop's space bar and twist some knobs", rock is the same old bands from 20 years ago, pop is even more degenerate than ever, country is largely irrelevant, rap is absolute dogshit, metal seems to have died as a lot of bands are doing the scream the verses sing the chorus with the most nasal bitch vocals possible thing, latin music is considered a meme around here, and everything is "evolving their style" to incorporate elements of niggification. I can't listen to the radio or let my employees pick the store music because they'll always play some nig beat about clubbing or fucking or doing drugs or it's that Ocarina of Time style Redead moaning shit.

Is it degenerate to listen to vidya music?

>>139825966
I'm not just saying this off the cuff, I know what I'm talking about, man. I've listened to almost their entire discography, and while there are some shining moments, overall it just sucks. Labrie can't sing, petrucci can't write memorable riffs, myung's actually pretty great, the keyboardist is cancer and what's his face on the drums, he's a good drummer but I find what he writes detract from the songs. There are better bands to like, dude.

>>139826650
No

Japan knows good music, they always have

It's degenerate to listen to modern Amernigger music. America is such a worthless nigger country to be frank with you senpai.

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>>139818274

>parker, davis, coltrane
>negermusik

kys americunt purger

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There's still fucking incredible music around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5eRyZPNj1w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlr8duyToKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLHtV_S2HZw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQEmaj9C6ko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p745327ziEo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLK70Ipe-tI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKJ-0ZO4pxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AWIqXzvX-U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnUuosQwZY

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I listen to almost every genre, but in regards to classical, I'm very particular to Dvořák's 9th.

Here's a random music dump that I like that spans across several decades and genres:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sonLd-32ns4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8i3ev8L82w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEbNmK-rNuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZGlGFTs8-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uko8Oa_ZdYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haVlcMsRIHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeVGKwhsqn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3uDNDfHWMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iC0MyIykM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDpQf9hcrN8

There's a fucktonne more (I've got 1083 songs on Google Play, always looking for more), but this is a randomly-selected set that I like more than others.

>>139814186
I really enjoy classical and opera, but todays music is not basic, there are some very thoughtful complex musical compositions both in modern instrumental, opera, and in rock, metal etc.

Show a piece of music better than this (you can't)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZAhBo1BPw

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>>139814782
I agree. Even the most le obscure modern music xD can't hold a candle to a Rachmaninoff's piano concert. That's just a fact.

>>139827077
Jazz is made by niggers for niggers and is mostly performed by niggers.

>>139827160
Most of the good stuff comes from your region, all the best 80s stuff was English too. You guys seem to have very avant garde musical tastes.

Boards of Canada and to a lesset extent Aphex Twin gives me feels that no other music can.

>>139827315
One I recommended is entirely white, and bretty good.

Check out Esbjörn Svensson Trio

>>139815416
I laughed loudly hearing this "good" music. Thanks anon

>>139827407
It's stll Negersmusik. I wish whites took over it and whitewashed it.

>>139827479
>Negersmusik
Who the fuck cares? Can't you just enjoy music without having to bring nigger-tier "I don't like it because unrelated" into it?
It's music.

>>139826650
Some vidya music is genuinely good.
If there is a criticism of it, it's that much of it is short catchy repetitive tunes that fit into common time signatures with melodies that last predictable counts of measures (like 4, 8, or 16). It seldom has thematic development.
Consider this sample of Final Fantasy 6 music, the "fugal" section from kefka's dancing mad theme from about 6:30 to 7:50
https://youtu.be/9ZCPtAYtJi8?t=395
I like Nobuo Uematsu, but this is easy-listening babby's first polyphony compared to anything written by Bach, which it clearly draws some inspiration from.

Still miles better than pop radio music though.

I have to admit that I listen to dupstep and brostep, house and jump up. But I listen to classical, synthwave, vidya osts too. Also, I am the same guy who posted a clip of synthwave test some day.

>>139827160
garbage

>>139827756
I forgot to add rock.

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>>139825467
>>139825467
this 1000000000x

>>139827808
Fuck these digits.

>>139814186
The Beatles were the downfall of music. After they successfully defined the pop genre, record labels realised that popularity linearly translates into sales - ergo the shift from music as art to music as product.

Thankfully though, there are still many true artists and there is still awesome music being made - more and more frequently too. This is because of a wave of disillusionment that is slowly moving through the collective unconscious. People are starting to realize that the mainstream is fake.
It wont happen overnight, but have faith.

>>139827864
We should reduce the rights of plebs and slaves.

>>139826625
Actually niggers are quite good at music. Rap is total cancer but their older forms of music are excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_QfO7g1YsI

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>>139827864
Pic related is what Google thinks is popular.

>>139827559
Check out Shoji Meguro

One of the best vidya composers of all time, adept at many different genres

Persona 3 and Soul Hackers OSTs are kino

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>>139827995
nice post desu

>>139827995
Gangster rap is awful, I've heard some pretty impressive rap outside of that, still not my favourite genre though.

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>>139827315

>t. turbofolk seljačina

narrow minded plebs like you are the reason serbia is so shit

kys untermensch

>>139827995
Hip-hop was whack. 80s breakbeat and kid friendly lyrics about dancing and joy. Like the FPoBA.
>>139828100
See above.

>>139828126
I don't listen turbo folk. You should better learn Nazi history.

>>139828005
thanks braëcho

>>139827995
It's sad to think stuff like this, Coltrane, Isley Brothers, Earth Wind and Fire, Michael Jackson degenerated into the ooga booga shit that is proliferate today

Rap was a mistake

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>*clears nose*
Ahem.
Beautiful music you have there goyim.
But it would be so much better if we modernized it.
Ehehehehehe!

>>139814186
>Complaining about degredation of music
>Posts Glenn Gould
Topkek I have no idea why people admire him. Completely butchers Bach and was so far up his own arse

>>139828349
>rap today
>ooga booga
>bix nood

>>139814345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Zb8G8rE1g

no, moder music is just sooo much better

more primeval, you know

>>139828444
Mendelssohn into the oven.

>>139821224
Thanks Lithuania, for your subhuman contribution

>>139828496
I have no idea how people can listen to this kind of stuff

>>139814782
congrats you are a retarded pseudo-intellectual """"""rebel"""""""" with nearly zero experience with current music.

it's okay I was like that too.

>>139825467
Seriously I'm always hearing of new rappers and how complete garbage they are and wondering who the heck is paying these niggers

>>139814186
Modern music is degene-
https://youtu.be/kohsgr4kLdM

>>139828446
He's a fellow-travelling aspy. I genuinely love his stark analytical interpretations.
But I like many bach interpreters, like Hewitt, Richter, Argerich, even Horowitz rare as it was.

>>139823772
Yes, and no. Bach's music was never mainstream, but the music of Mozart, contrary to popular opinion, was extremely popular in some places while he was alive. The waltzes of Strauss are considered 'classical', I suppose, but were the most popular music in Vienna. Beethoven was extremely well known throughout Europe during his lifetime.

It is interesting that western art music still has a significant following, despite uneducated, possibly irredeemably uncultured, stupid and tasteless millenials. Youtube has opened a vast door to art music, and many channels have a surprisingly high number of hits. More western art music than ever has been recorded. There is no sign really of a decline in concerts and no shortage of new players (even if the young simply do not have the culture and intellectual depth on the whole of their predecessors). Like great literature and great visual art, it seems that great music cannot really be killed.

>>139828739

I wonder (((Who)))?

>>139828911
if you're just joining the thread read the post he is replying to. A Wyatt Mann's comics about jews behind rap are not an exaggeration.

>>139828911
I wonder (((who))) could be behind these last three digits.

>>139814186
Classical music was always less human, less organic to an extent. I can't get what I get from modem music from classical (and no, it's not "I need lyrics so they tell me what to feel." The instrumentation and composition are just as, or are usually more involved in this than the lyrics).

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>>139828744

>tfw serb-nationalist-90s-meme music was the first genre you liked as a kid

>>139828496

This shite is a cancer on electronic music.

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>>139829021

>>139817842
>what are The Avalanches

>>139814186
You're mixing up "popular music" and "classical music". Both has always existed you dumbass.

>>139814186
I love that piece. He plays it very well. I listened to it as a kid.

>>139828911
>>139829010
But it can't just be this one Jew let's not give him complete credit

What about that Jerry yeller character who platformed nwa, a group that glorified this stuff we now think of as normal

>>139829064
Sorry anon, you just can't understand it. Perhaps also the modern interpreters of 'classical' have a more literal, less emotional approach. I would say that modern performers are less musical than their predecessors. You cannot help but admiring the organic and emotional communication of performers like Gigli, Horowitz, Milstein, Casals, du Pre, Furtwangler, Yepes, Callas, Ignaz Friedman, Pinza, Kipnis, etc..

>>139829010

Also the majority of income for artists now is through sync - that's putting music in adverts, films and tv shows. Guess (((who))) is running the media and creative agencies reaponsible for this?

>>139829261
But Beethoven was relatively popular even during his own time. He deliberately tried to appeal to the masses and the cognoscenti. As did Mozart. Schubert wrote songs which sold in the 10s of 1000s. At one time Shakespeare was popular entertainment. It was really only in the latish Victorian era that deliberately lowbrow music was written for the unwashed masses. Before then there was only music, sure some of the music was of lesser or greater quality, but there was no specific genre of popular music that could be clearly delineated from the broad mass of what was considered music. Yes there was utter trash composed in the early days of semi-mass music publishing, the 'Herz and Huenten' style (although Herz on listening isn't even all that bad), but it is still considered 'classical' in a sense

>>139815577
https://youtu.be/zbT8vzX4sZY?t=183

>>139829309

He's right.

I listen to the odd bit of Webern and Berg, but it just doesn't have the same emotional impact as Swans or Shellac. You also can't get the hypnotising catharsis you feel when listening to minimal techno and tech house from classical music. Then there's the outright frenetic craziness of DnB, Chicago house and footwerk.

>>139829530

>but there was no specific genre of popular music that could be clearly delineated from the broad mass of what was considered music.

>what is folk music

>>139829530
Speaking of popular during his own time, Tchaikovsky Nutcracker music was popular with children, and he did not like that.

>>139829064
Classical music is akin to still life paintings. Candid and universally accessible. You are a pleb.

>>139829720
I wonder if he'd like it even less now that Nutcracker themes are used as commercial Christmas music.

>>139814186
Also that's funny that you oppose classical music to "degenerate music" considering that degenerate music was the label used by nazi for classical composer such as Mahler, Schonberg or Stravinsky.

>>139828891
Alas, classical music is one government grant cutback away from decimation.

>>139829835
Two of these guy were kikes.

>>139829798
its like this
he was his own worst critic
It wasn’t that Tchaikovsky hated the music, he hated the public who loved it.
Tchaikovsky didn't really detest "The Nutcracker"; but rather doubted its value as a noteworthy composition.
Tchaikovsky was frequently complaining that he was "all written out" and was often his own worse critic. With the cost involved with mounting a full production of "The Nutcracker", It was wise marketing to create a suite from the score that could be performed in concert halls. "The Nutcracker suite" with its seven dance movements, was quite successful. If he made any derogatory comment about the suite or ballet, it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

>>139814186
The only good composers of our time seem to be doing soundtracks for films.

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>>139819876
>tfw I'll never have a Opera singing GF

>>139829064
>I can't get what I get from modem music from classical
Dare I suggest, you lack the patience for it? Perhaps you need music to button-mash your brain the same way Youtube and sugar-filled fast food do.

>>139829609
Emotional impact is pretty subjective, anon. I get much more emotional impact from Beethoven's 9th or Bach's Passions than techno. Also Mahler, but that's a different story.

>>139829711
Folk music, when written down, can be formal or not-formal depending on the nature of the music itself. The notion of folk music as a seperate 'genre' hadn't crystallized before the late 19th century.

>>139829720
He enjoyed having his nuts cracked even less. Percy Grainger on the other hand may have quite enjoyed it

>>139829835
Yes, and they are. But they require a little more aesthetic intelligence to comprehend than bix nood bitch muhfugga

>>139829881
Well, that has been the case probably for over 100 years. But the desire to perform music at a high level remains. And there is popular interest as the hits on a few youtube channels reveal. Even abc classic fm has a reasonable listenership, even if they often present fairly lowbrow programming with fairly lowbrow and pc presenters

>>139829928

and are still more valuable than you seljak

>>139830395
How do you know these words? Diaspora?

>>139814186
I'm a 20 something but I can't stop humming this song rn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ivUOnnstpg

>>139814186
Here's a piano solo for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYZ8qPbqrD0
And some classic music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY8eMgEIfJY&list=PLwfLof6AhllTqMUMLbHoE1oQpIHWyixwj
And some other horrible modern music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLIJkP301E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5uQMwRMHcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URfE1iKgIhs

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>>139814186
I suppose the history of pop, rock the blues, jazz etc is easy enough to explain but the rot set in after the invention of digital recording, digital sampling, and digital signal processing - especially the Antares autotune algorithim. I'm not a luddite, I have a recording studio but no computers are used except for storage of samples (no drum or instrument loops).
In the Motown era, and the dico boom that followed, people were inspired to seek out small orchestras and string sections, and wrote some amazing stuff. Now some mouthbreather has only to plunder a few bars (or even entire verses) of an old Motown or disco record, lay the same drum pattern used in all his previous works over it, but merely changing the sounds of the "drum kit" used.
And then they add the Autotune... RRREEEEEEEE

Here's an appropriate redpill to close this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYua80VEcBk

>>139830460

t. austro-serb übermensch

bow down to your rightful master

This was a good thread op you faggot

>>139830801

how about a gutes deusches lied

https://youtu.be/bUsePoATbrU

>>139821720
I'm a high tenor, been singing for 5 years now, play accordion (I play classical tho, not folk), piano and electric guitar (although because of an injury to two fingers on my left hand I couldn't play much guiter the last 3 years). I also teach accordion.

Go eat assholes

>>139829174
I just knew someone would bring this over rated, trash tier band up once I said that. I didn't think I'd genuine be right but christ, I was!

Just check the whosampled pages for any of their songs and try to tell me they're not a rip off. Check out this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkJGSnRB9RM beginning, 2:23ish), this is literally "Because I'm Me" only it's much more interesting my opinion. The avalanches is literally this plus another vocal sample. They are not the talent behind these songs that makes them sound so good. They just recycle people much greater than themselves. It's ridiculous.

For the record, sampling can be acceptable, if it genuinely creates a brand new song, like the African chanting in this one. 3:18 for reference.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkJGSnRB9RM)

It's just that rappers and groups like the avalanches don't do that.