When trannies realize that being a tranny is transphobic

>>139622496
I actually agree that keeping the feminine benis is 10x better than having a gaping wound in your crotch

>>139622496
I would worry about the fact that transexuality is a mental illness and 45% of the people who suffer from it attempt suicide at least once in their lives instead of worrying about how said mental illness fits in my embarassing ideology

>>139622496
>Trans get hormones to indulge in their fantasies
>Steroids are still illegal for men and have to be bought in back alleys from questionable sources

>>139622496
while it is circular logic, it's still logical. and insane. utterly and completely insane.

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>>139622496
>literally this meme

Notice how the people pushing this shit say "attempt suicide" rather than "commit suicide"? Why?

Also, comorbidity runs especially high among trannies. I would like to know the rates of those trannies also diagnosed with borderline personality, or some other disorder notorious for destructive behaviors for attention.

>>139622496
This person is quite intelligent

>>139622496
>North Korea flag
Kek these are the type of posters who come on here during every NK happening and say muhhh juche is not communism, NK is based and nationalistic, NK fights the jews and global banks

>>139622496
>this person is a north koreaboo
on top of everything

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>>139622496
Shhh. Sit back and relax. We'll all watch as they neck themselves out of madness.

>>139622496
Trans = sexism

>>139623359
because many people don't succeed the first time

>>139622598
thisssssss~

>>139624543
What we should do is pull some sock puppets, infiltrate several communities, follow the same spiral from one of the many threads we post where they sober up and try to kill themselves, them go around spamming the exit bag solution.

Bet we'd be able to convince at least a few of them to go for it

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>>139622598
Is one more of a trap than the other?

>>139622496
This is true and this is why I have no problem with traps: they absolutely support the two genders. They are true allies.

>>139622496
This is part of what turned me right wing, tbqh. I just wanted to be a grill, damn it. I don't want to destroy the patriarchy, or gender, or the west. They turned something that should have been private and medical into a battering ram.

Infiltrating them and prompting more taxing thoughts is honestly the best way to get the retards to convert back.

>>139625386
Which is worse, fucking a dude, or fucking a dude's still raw stab wound?

>>139622893
well you see, brainlet, its because steroids literally will kill you. getting a supple butt and some fat in your boobs wont.

>>139622496
Well I'll tell you one thing guys, my mouth is definitely not foreskinphobic. Open 24/7.

>>139625963
>Gadsden poster fails to account for basic knowledge in a field he learned about on SVU
Color me shocked

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>>139625662
Stab wound

>>139622598
I guess in the way I would rather be hit by a truck than a 747

>>139622496
>tranny
>also a communist
>>>/gas/

>>139626293
Nailed it

>>139625662
There is no way in hell that a fakegina feels anything like a real one. Like to the trans person themselves. As in having a permanently opened wound can't feel like having a vagina. I can't even imagine having said wound penetrated. How could it be anything other than discomfort? Just keep the peen. Only pervs are ever gonna be interested in them anyway and pervs don't mind dicks with tits.

>>139622496
I'm glad these people don't breed but it's sad to see so many 105-110 white people kill themselves. If only these easily influenced soy-BPA-fluoride chemical axis mind slaves for Big Jew were easily led astray by our propaganda instead of Satan's.

>>139626611
*105-110 IQ

>>139626163
No one has seen that show.

how about i enjoy my tranny gf's benis for the time she has it and then after she gets a gaping wound i fuck it for the rest of my life?

sounds good to me

>>139624543
Funny that military vets don't seem to struggle in their suicides. I think this is a safe assumption, because the key word in heart-wrenching discussions about military suicide is "commit."

>>139622496
>yfw they finally go full circle and you have men who look like and behave exactly regular men and are even heterosexual but identify as female because gender is just some malleable social construct and there is no difference between men and women in their minds

>>139625386
Monkey-cat knows.

>>139622496
Peak Oil was bullshit. We've reached Peak Woke, and the great Revenge of Common Sense is starting to gain momentum.

>>139622496
>a liberal achieves sentience

It's a miracle. Hopefully a few others will start clueing in to the contradictions in their arguments

>>139625621

> I want to spit in the face of science by declaring myself female
> I don't want to destroy the west

KYS

>>139622496
>when you are so retarded you start being retarded but backwards to your own logic that you made up

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Too bad, dysphoria is a medically classified mental illness that can only be cured by transitioning. Science > opinions, whether right wing nazis or left wing SJWs.

>>139627273

Dysphoria is a made up disease because trannies don't want to admit they're nearly all men with a sex fetish.

>>139627530

Made up by peer reviewed medical journals, sure.

>>139627273
Wrong. Johns Hopkins has a statement saying they won't perform them anymore because the evidence shows transition surgery does not improve mental health endpoints having to do with depression, attempting suicide, etc.

>>139626683
i know real women have a self cleaning biological function that keeps the inside of their vaginas clean from bacteria etc. how do pretend women keep the inside of their gash free from these sorts of things? do you just slip a bar of soap up there or what?

>>139627617
If you actually look at the peer reviewed medical journals, you won't find anything near a consensus that "transitioning" is an appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria.

>>139627786

No it just basically smells foul.

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>>139627617
Yeah, those medical journals aren't willing to hide truths for the sake of feelings. Absolutely not.

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>>139627273
>cured
>40% suicide rate

>>139626776
well i would say like 99% of army vets have guns at home and you are trained to kill, so its kinda hard to fail.
but if you're mentally ill i guess its easier to fail. i.e. ti thin rope, drinkin semi-toxic stuff and ending as a vegetable

>>139628153
Have there been any released studies on this matter?

>>139622933
That's exactly the point and trannies don't even realize the flaw in their own thinking.

>>139625386
>confusing traps with trannies and transgenders

>>139627764

Source?

>>139627864

Wrong.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288305480_Surgical_treatment_of_gender_dysphoria_in_adults_and_adolescents_Recent_developments_effectiveness_and_challenges

>you won't find anything near a consensus that "transitioning" is an appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria.

Of course you will. In all countries where politics doesn't interfere, transitioning is the appropriate and recommended procedure.

>>139628153

Why would they? What motive do they have to recommend transitioning?

>>139628188

Fake news.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713

>>139627213
I never said I was exactly like a woman. I'm well aware that at best, transition is only an approximation. It doesn't mean I need to support shitskin immigration, ditch my family, or avoid productive hobbies.

>>139627786
They stick a dildo up there and spray their insides 5 times a day. If they don't the body will do what it's supposed to do and try to close up the fucking wound in their crotch

>>139622598

There are people around who dont mind the dick. You stand a better chance of actually being happy. They really shouldnt do the cut.

>>139622496
Americans are faggots.

>>139627617

The studies that are not shit will point out the fact that most of them are men and half of the men do it because it arouses them.

There might be a study where a gender major asked her friends that says otherwise but that is the problem with science these days. You need to look at the studies.

>>139628153
>That literally happened to me
Americans are sexual degenerates who mutilate their own because of a Jewish mutilation fetish and they hate their children. We should genocide the early millennial generation.

>>139628803
And if they do, sometimes the body does what it's supposed to do anyway, and the biological abberation starts to rot from the inside out.

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>>139622496
Trannies BTFO

>>139622496
im pretty sure most trannies believe in 2 sexes, thats why they want to switch

>>139625963
>Things that can kill you should be banned
>cigarettes and McDonald's are not banned
Really activates the almonds

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I do think that if trans people truely believe in transgenderism, a belief protected by the 1st Amendment, the they should not care about expensive cosmetic surgury.

If they can afford being guinea pigs in expensive surguies to test out body modifacation sceince, good for them. Yet much transgenderism seems like a capitalist plot by the 1%.

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>>139628795
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjy55S5wv_VAhUL62MKHfUDAbAQFggmMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwilliamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FAFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGKdHTlHkgpeVuDXrMqNvLMu0WTPw
(Link is to a direct download of the report)
On the first page

>>139628274
Once you're 18 in the states you can buy a rifle or shotgun. Hell, you can buy one earlier if someone is willing to sell to you in a private sale. I'd say the overwhelming majority of failed suicides didn't really want to die. Worst case they were acting on impulse and didn't have time to bother to go out and buy a gun.

>>139622496
Haha! This is great.
The mental fuckery...

>>139625963
>doesnt realize women take test to become men

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>>139628153
why is there a single kike left alive in north america? and why is the wwii generation and baby boomers revered ever? they are why we are all mutilated under the rule of fat, evil kikes.

>>139627273
Literally untrue
chopping off your dick and opening a literal wound where it used to be (which has to be re-opened and stretched regularly so it oesn't heal because it LITERALLY is a wound) does not actually decrease the odds of trannies commiting suicide.
So the 'cure' is about as effective and moral as electroshock therapies, perhaps even worse because electroshocks don't lead to maiming.

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>>139629568
>Athlete's pussy

Oh my fucking god

>>139628795
>Despite methodological shortcomings of many of the studies[...]

Those 'methodological shortcomings' are the attrition rates of people responding to the researchers and the gamblers fallacy of the people reporting on their own conditions after the treatment. Either those who have undergone the procedure convince themselves and everyone else they can that it was a good idea, or they hide themselves out of regret and shame that nothing has been changed for the better. A treatment cannot be recommended when so many trans people still kill themselves. We don't recommend plastic surgery for people with self-esteem issues over their appearance because at the moment only a belief in your own personal and bodily integrity can truly help someone with dysphoria.

Stop trying to defend this travesty you fuck.

Haha, that's actually very sensible. I've never understood the need to start chopping dicks and tits off. I've never had an issue with a tomboy, or a feminine guy. And I don't understand what was so wrong with being one of those types of people. Feminine guys like to dress pretty, and spend lots of time decorating, and tomboy girls like sports, and getting in fights and shit. I've never seen anything wrong with it, and could not see myself having an issue with it. Body modification on the other hand is pretty batshit insane. When I think of trans people, I put them in the same category as those stupid assholes that try to make themselves look like a tiger, or a snake or some shit. Only place body mod people belong is in a circus freakshow.

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>>139628803
>>139627965
>>139627786 (You)
i was unable to resist and had to sate my curiosity. found this in a subreddit dedicated to post op trannies (i know, save it)
>I umm, smell the dildo after sexytime, and if its not too gross I just wash the outer vulva with water or if I don't like what I have gathered squirt a little warm plain water up there with the little ear syringe the surgeon gave me back in Phuket. No soap. Ever. So far so good. Every now and then, but not often, I get a fungal thing going, I call it "athlete's pussy", but a couple of applications of the generic miconozole fixes me right up. I am surprised (and pleased) about how low-maintenance it actually is

i hope this "athlete's pussy" isnt contagious

>>139629340
...so poor minority tranies are worse off then rich white tranies...the narrative never changes.

>>139622598
>feminine penis
>penis
>feminine

What the fuck, faggots?

>>139629762
>>139629889
cocked up the greentext so did a repost. truly one of the most disgusting things ive read in my life

>>139629889
these people will bread a new hyper disease by 2025

>>139628795
>>you won't find anything near a consensus
>Look! I found this one paper! That means there's a consensus!
That's not how it works.

>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288305480_Surgical_treatment_of_gender_dysphoria_in_adults_and_adolescents_Recent_developments_effectiveness_and_challenges

A quote from it:
>Despite methodological shortcomings of many of the studies, we conclude that SRS is an effective treatment
In other words, the conclusion is not based on sound evidence, but they want to reach it anyway. Garbage pseudoscience based on motivated reasoning.

Furthermore, this was published in the "Annual Review of Sex Research". It wasn't a medical journal, but a journal of "sexology".

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>>139622598
Oh please, give me one good reason why you shouldn't get a "deluxe pussy" like this fine woman.

>>139629889
wow. these people are fucking sick.

>>139630004
Found the newfag.

>>139630051
well at least they cant breed more of themselves. yet

>>139622598
FPBP
The smart ones realise this, and Keep it
As to avoid suicide & stay valuable.

>>139623359
>Notice how the people pushing this shit say "attempt suicide" rather than "commit suicide"? Why?

About 35% commit suicide, vs 45 who attempt. That's the vast majority of those who attempt being successful though.

>Also, comorbidity runs especially high among trannies. I would like to know the rates of those trannies also diagnosed with borderline personality, or some other disorder notorious for destructive behaviors for attention.

Yeah, people with one mental illness (body dismorphia) are more likely to have another (BPD)

>>139629993
>>139629999

>>139622598
This. Even real vaginas are disgusting why would you want an inferior blight upon your groin.

>>139630315
>>139630000

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>>139628795
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6942832

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>>139630006
>>139629889
I feel bad for trannies because they are the latest sacrificial lambs to the slaughter for the God of the left, 'Equality'. Without this cultural subversion and marxist critical theory rampaging through our society, these people would have been treated in a meaningful way and, perhaps, some headway would have been made in actually curing this horrific disease. Instead they have been encouraged to participate in behavior that only leads to further life long strife.
These were weak and sick people that are lead to death by social justice, rather than lead to treatment and health.
And then they write shit about their athlete's pussy and I want them all to fucking burn regardless

>>139622598
more like to kermit suicide if they go all the way though

>>139630303
>About 35% commit suicide
source please?

>>139622598
feminim dingdong only applied to 2D, faganon

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>>139630004
feminine benis confirmed not gay

>>139622598
>>139624762
>>139625386
>>139626293
>>139628836
>>139630004
>>139630131
>>139630288
>>139630318
>>139631705
>>139631997

As a tranny i often feel ostracized in my community for not wanting to get the surgery, like its actually insane how much its shilled and the idea that if you dont get it done then you are not "true trans" is shoved down every single trans persons throat. Im not sure who is behind the blatant propaganda but i am sure that the surgeons making a killing from the surgeries probably dont mind

>>139631890
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
second page first bullet point

>>139628991

Yeah, AGP is a thing, I'm AGP. But AGP and being trans is not mutually exclusive. "Half the men" don't do because it arouses them, they have dysphoria AND get aroused by wearing female clothing.

>>139629340

It literally says on page 8:

"respondents who said they had received transition related health care or wanted to have it someday were more likely to report having attempted suicide than those who said they did not want it. This pattern was observed across all transition-related services and procedures that were explored in the NTDS. The survey did not provide information about the timing of reported suicide attempts in relation to receiving transition-related health care, which precluded investigation of transition-related explanations for these patterns."

Also, these are suicide attempts, not suicides.

>>139629687

Wrong.

>>139630069

There has been a consensus since 1999 and the medical community practices it all over the world. Most importantly, its consensus of the NHS, and since I live in Britain, I'll trust them.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/int-gend-proto.pdf

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Treatment.aspx

>>139630823

That was in 1981. Hopkins center has since resumed transition surgery, and his study was criticized by other scientists at the time for being bias anyway.

>>139632202
Case study for "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."

>>139632299
wew lad

there's no reason to think most trannies aren't tranny because of AGP

> the medical community practices it all over the world.
so was lobotomy, it's still extremely stupid

>>139631890
>>139632273
>Cross-dressers assigned male at birth have the lowest reported prevalence of suicide attempts among gender identity groups (21%).
i think thats a pretty significant statistic. if you want to wear a dress wear a dress. if you think wanting to wear women's clothes makes you a a woman you should seek help

>>139622496
and thus begins the purity spiral

I wouldn't be surprised if this were a /pol/lack

>>139632213
Unless you've got both, necessitating some form of surgery as a tie breaker, you're just a deluded faggot, not "trans"

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>>139632213
>Im not sure who is behind

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>>139632213
I was gonna shit on you for admitting being a tranny (in /pol/ of all places!), but hey, at least you are smart enough not to snip-snip your penis, so I'll give you that.

You realized that doctors and the medical establishment are pushing for fake vagina surgeries because they make a tom of money off of it. How long until you realize the whole tranny thing is pushed for that and other similar reasons too?

Also ignore the Satan trips dude trying to con you into chopping your dick.

>>139632666
Shut up Satan. There's no such thing as transexuals in the first place, people can't change their gender.

>>139632490

>there's no reason to think most trannies aren't tranny because of AGP

I don't understand what you're saying here.

>so was lobotomy, it's still extremely stupid

Lobotomy worked, it was just unethical.

>>139632213

Do you have any idea how much a lot of people hate trannies right now?

If you don't want serious public back lash to fall on your community of mental illers you'll do your part to rein them in from going after kids and trying to legislate our language right now.

>>139632955
Fuck you, it's a fact that there are some, less than 1%, that actually are hermaphroditic faggots. That's who all these "trans" laws apply to based on the word of honest ruling. They exist, but they certainly don't need catering to, and they definitely don't identify as "trans". They goddamn pick a side and stick with it, that's the whole point of the fucking surgery.

>>139632956
>[it] worked, it was just unethical.
So it's already got more going for it than looping your dick off, but it's still in the same category

>>139632666
My penis used to bother me but the hormones have made it bearable and i would rather not mutilate it.

>>139632790
is it really?
>>139632955
i only admit it when its relevent, aka this type of thread.
>>139633027
I am only one person is a sea of sjw degeneracy. I have been banned from almost every lgbt or trans related subreddit or forum for standing my ground on the fact that MtF transsexuals like myself are biologically male. The only thing female about us is our hormones. There are a few others who feel the same as me, mainly on discord, but we are such a small minority of an already small minority. Its hard to push back against all the sjw's pushing this stuff on children.

>>139632213
>but i am sure that the surgeons making a killing from the surgeries probably dont mind

Isn't it strange that body dysmorphic disorder is the only mental illness that can only be cured by encouraging and fully embracing the mental illness with the use of expensive hormones and surgery? Doctors never tell depressed patients "Of course you're depressed, the world is fucking awful! In fact you should feel even more depressed!", which would make more sense because the world is really fucked up.

>like its actually insane how much its shilled and the idea that if you dont get it done then you are not "true trans"

Ah yes, they lure you in by pretending to like you and accepting you, then after a while they shame and punish you harshly if you don't obey all their rules. Typical cult behavior.

>>139633467

Well no it hasn't, because transitioning in most cases removes dysphoria. Lobotomy is just cutting out a piece of person's brain so there's nothing to even cure. And not all transitioning involved sexual reassignment surgery.

>>139633333
quints of truth

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>>139631096
Starting to feel this way about all kinds of degenerates. People are reducing their identity to compulsive self-harming behaviors, their passions and goals subverted by their unhinged sexuality.

It has been the goal of the left to sexualiz youth and mothers to destroy the family, which they believe is he foundation of "authoritarian" order, for almost a century now. I used to think it was a good thing that degenerates were encouraged to wear scarlet letters out of pride, because they are easy enough to avoid, but now I realize many of these people would be living healthy lives if they weren't brought up in a culture where degeneracy is venerated

>>139632273
The study does not include information on successful suicides. Only suicide attempts, which is different. Note the section on 'methods and limitations' in particular.

>>139633705
You can't outright ignore cited statistics that bankrupt your worldview then turn around and use the loophole to squeal new facts in there. That's objectively false, and I'll have no more conversation with you until you come to terms with basic science.

>>139633333
Good point and another good get. Mirin' it.

I already knew about the hermaphrodites and the "intersex" thing and although it's been used as a propaganda to push for tranny faggotry, it's true that they might benefit from it. But I don't think they really need any trans laws or anything like that.

>>139633663
>y encouraging and fully embracing the mental illness with the use of expensive hormones
My hormones are pretty cheap though, i pay maybe 30 bucks a month. And SRS is pretty much as expensive as other plastic surgery.

You seem to misunderstand the fact that most of us are not encouraged in our mental ilness, in fact you need to go to a therapist to sign off on the fact you have the ilness known as gender dysphoria before even being allowed hormones. The thing is that they tried so many other things for decades and only hormonal replacement therapy has been effective in alleviating the symptoms.

I feel 100x better since being on hormones and honestly i would not be alive right now without them, i was so fucking suicidal before.

The surgery does seem like a bit of a scam however.

>>139633576
Honestly you've only got one set of Genitals in your life, I'd advide you to learn to embrace your cock and have as much fun with it as possible, to do anything else is wasting what could be alot of fun

>being transgender is now transphobic

Have we finally done it lads? Have we reached the apex of liberal doublethink? How much further can it go?

>>139625114
I actually think being even more "transphobic" to them would be better, as they'll become even more insane in response.

>>139633912

I've been posting scientific studies all through the thread. Science backs transitioning to cure dysphoria, that's why its done in the first place. Its not even close to lobotomy.

>>139633939
That's the part people don't like talking about. Conservatives at a base level just don't want to build a new bathroom, identity politicians demand their bathroom remain sovereign, democrats want to pander to anyone who can win them 2020, and the actual trans faggots want nothing to do with any of it. They existed the same as they have forever and ever, but now there's a whole second wave of faggots trying to changewhat the terms mean to fit their own fetishes.

>>139633942
> in fact you need to go to a therapist to sign off on the fact you have the ilness known as gender dysphoria before even being allowed hormones
Why do you come here and lie? We know about informed consent clinics and mail order hormones. And getting a GID diagnosis is easy as fuck anyway.

>The thing is that they tried so many other things for decades
Every tranny claims this but it's not true. There isn't a single study comparing any other treatment for being a tranny.

> I feel 100x better since being on hormones and honestly i would not be alive right now without them, i was so fucking suicidal before.
Placebo. You're just going to kill yourself eventually. Or be a disabled charity case.

>>139633942
>entirely ignores the massive "trans rights" identity
Sorry, even if you are trans, you're too fucking dumb to debate here. There's active boards dedicated to fooling these psychologists so you can mutilate yourself and join the special protected class of society.

>>139634205
Sexology isn't science, tracked hormonal imbalances are. Cutting your dick off doesn't fix those, and swapping sides is abiding by a fetish.

This is your last (you) onlu in the mpst extreme event that you actually believe the drivel you spew.

>>139623359
>>139624543
People rarely fail when they sincerely intend to commit suicide. It's just not very hard to kill yourself.

"Suicide attempts" are usually a play for sympathy, a threat to kill oneself if one's demands are not met. They're usually successful, too. Most people who attempt suicide get something they want. People usually know when someone in their life cares enough to respond to this kind of threat.

>>139634297
>We know about informed consent clinics
rare and not that common
>mail order hormones
illegal technically and most places will confiscate the hormones at the border. This has happened to freinds of mine often.
>Every tranny claims this but it's not true
But it is and it literally only takes a 3 second google search to prove it. How underage are you?
>There isn't a single study comparing any other treatment for being a tranny.
This is really really poor bait.
>Placebo.
Unlikely since when i forget to take my hormones for a day i start to feel shitty without even realizing it. If you dont understand how hormones affect mood and stuff then I dont even know what to say to you. There is a reason why low test cis men are so depressed.

>>139622598
Kys

>>139634396
>There's active boards dedicated to fooling these psychologists so you can mutilate yourself and join the special protected class of society.
And i dont agree with any of them nor do i condone them. What is your point?

>>139634757
If you can get your brain raped with magnets into no longer believing in basic hard sciences like genetics or the math of economics, I refuse to believe we can't round them up and save tjem all some day.

>>139634629

>Sexology isn't science

OK, I mean, its not like its a branch of medicine or anything. Thankfully, the NHS chooses to listen to health professionals and peer reviewed scientific literature instead of random opinions on a message board.

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>>139632299
40%+

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>>139622496

>>139634629
He's been caught in one blatant lie. Unless he linked me to the wrong study? "35%" was oddly specific despite this not being in the study he linked.

>>139633942
>You seem to misunderstand the fact that most of us are not encouraged in our mental ilness,
>us
>us being actual trans faggots with two genitalia
Yeah, those guys aren't pushed. Every single tranny in this thread? They were.
>>139634800
(You)

>>139635061
That's because every fucking time, EVERT SINGLE FUCKING TIME, basic logic and facts win our in these threads. Trans identity is social cancer, trannies are an extremely rare genetic freak occurrence that can be dealt with a number of physical ways. Anyone who willingly identifies as trans specifically is specifically mentally ill and needs help.

>>139632299
>>>>>you won't find anything near a consensus
>>>Look! I found this one paper! That means there's a consensus!
>>That's not how it works.
>There has been a consensus since 1999
No there hasn't. It has been disputed all along. Mostly, people aren't interested in studying it seriously unless they had a prior interest in promoting it before looking at the evidence, consequently the research is of very poor quality, and when serious, unbiased scientists and doctors get involved, it's mostly just to point out the severe flaws in the case for SRS and public "transitioning".

For every other mental disorder, the focus of effort is on correcting the mind to fit the world as it really is, not changing the world to conform to the madness.

>the medical community practices it all over the world
Members of the "medical community" practice it. Only a few doctors need to agree to be a part of it, for it to be practiced. The "medical community" practices electroshock therapy, too.

>its consensus of the NHS
The NHS is a bureaucratic organization, not a community that can come to a consensus. This is an example of the capture of institutions by leftist activists.

>>139633942
>You seem to misunderstand the fact that most of us are not encouraged in our mental ilness,
An entire society calling you brave and giving you months and marches telling you to be proud and giving you special laws and protections so you can't be fired for being trans... not encouraging enough?

>>139635427
>>139635427
I'm starting to think most of these men are misdiagnosed. Look up BPD, which is especially difficult to diagnose in males.
>About 80% of people diagnosed with borderline personality disorder "attempt" suicide.
>Having an unstable or dysfunctional self-image or a distorted sense of self (how one feels about one’s self)
>Craving attention, even if it is negative. The loud attitude, the blatant and aggressive words, the criticism, the accusations of being unloved and abandoned all draw attention to the individual

>>139635080
>Yeah, those guys aren't pushed. Every single tranny in this thread? They were.
Speak in a coherent manner and maybe I will be able to respond to you.

Do internet trannies try to convince eachother to cheat the system? Yes. But the system itself is not designed to feed into the idea that they are biologically female. The fact we have to take hormones in the first place is testament to that fact.

>>139636303
Of course they are, that's where we're all at, now.

Faggots get misdiagnosed and join an ever growing, proselytizing movement that is actively in line with several movements that revolve around deconstructing society to make it fit their delusion better. Then they chimp out when you try to help them because they've already been brought to the lowest a biological organism can be. Nothing sterilized against it's will with pretty words and the promise of a fin progressive new family will ever be able to accept actual help from people who really care about them.

>>139635963
>An entire society calling you brave
Except you read too much propaganda. Where i am from trans people arent treated that well and i have to make sure to keep my condition a secret or risk losing my job. Sure they wont say they fired you for being trans, but they can easily make up a bullshit excuse. Alberta isnt nearly as sjw as toronto for instance.

No one has ever called me brave, no one ever supported me. My parents told me i was ruining my life and threatened to kick me out, i lost all of my freinds, i cant use any of my old work references from when i went by my old name. What special protection do i have?

>>139635751

Look, I gave you a paper. I gave you the NHS website, which by the way also states metabolism has nothing to do with obesity in most cases and its purely down to calories consumption as well, or are you going to claim that's not consensus. You haven't given me any counter evidence.

So here, I'll do your research for you. Here is an up to date (2011) study that did conclude suicide rates increase after transitioning.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

However, also note the suicide rate only increased among participants who transitioned in the 80's, by the 90's it was falling. And guess what it also says at the end?

>Even though surgery and hormonal therapy alleviates gender dysphoria, it is apparently not sufficient to remedy the high rates of morbidity and mortality found among transsexual persons. Improved care for the transsexual group after the sex reassignment should therefore be considered.

So even this concludes gender transitioning cure dysphoria. There is also a high suicide rate among regretters, but in most circumstances, regretters are people who rush into it without prior lived experience, which why in the UK you need to live as a women for at least 2 years because transitioning. Transitioning isn't as simple as waking up one day and going to clinic to get SRS, its a long process, but if its done correctly it is best for the long term.

>>139636731
>ignores that society actively shills for your existence by placing you above the people who created that society because you're too dumb to base your identity on something other than what your cock looks like
Yeah, still too dumb to debate here. Unless you thought you'd be able to get away with not responding to that point because you replied to someone else. That doesnt work on an autistic hivemind.

>>139622496
I've been saying this for awhile. Their position is weak and if you push this they will start pushing it.

>>139636731
And, for giggles
>I need to take estrogen to make my boobs grow
>this means I'm just fucked up
>there is absolutely no way this might mean I'm actually a male with a fucked up fetish
I'd tell you to kill yourself, but...

>>139637176
Insulting my intelligence wont change the fact that I am right, sorry. Does the liberal left like to virtue signal about trannies to make themselves feel better? Of course. Do they actually care about us? Of course not. We are nothing more than puppets to them ready to be cast aside as soon as the islamic invaders flooding my country tell them to do so.

>>139637008
There are more insidious implications. Pharmaceutical companies may be taking advantage of their poor impulse control and other symptoms for profit. Especially if they are funding some of these bogus studies. That's really sad.

This is one mental rabbit hole I do not want to go down.

>>139637318
I take estrogen to feel better, the boobs and everything else are just a cherry on top. I do not get any kind of sexual satisfaction out of looking like a girl, in fact my libido has tanked since being on hormones and the only time i feel arousal is when in the arms of a cute girl.

Nice try though.

>>139637358
Is this your first day here? Brother you're gonna shit a brick when you figure out (((who))) is so insidious, and what happened to them the last time 5hey tried this.

>>139629687
Electroshock therapy actually does alleviate some forms of depression and contrary to common belief is still used today. The main reason it got such a bad name is that nurses liked to use it as a punishment for misbehaving mental patients.

>>139637447
That's because you raped your body by flooding it with opposing hormones you fucking idiot, no wonder you don't want to fuck anything. Which, by the way, is another example of your failure as a biological organism.

>>139637556
>no wonder you don't want to fuck anything.
Actually my libido is simply in line with normal female libido. Because, you know, libido is controlled by hormones and my hormone levels are that of a female.

I didnt do this for a fetish though, idk what to tell you. Maybe come back next time with better bait?

>tfw schizo and I am in Uni, and I see people encouraging or acting as if mental illness is some kind of badge of honor

>>139637748
The only reason you feel "better" is because that's what taking drugs feels like, you goddamned idiot. Being a guy sucks, it always has, and it always will. You can't hit EZ mode and pretend that's the way life was meant to be, because if you motherfuckers were running the show with that mentality from the start, we never would've made it here. You're a biological monster, a genetic dead end, and a disappointment to your race.

But you've still got your cock, so we can fix you some day, just wait until the good guys become to set you free.

>>139638012
>because that's what taking drugs feels like, you goddamned idio
You don't know what hormones are or do, do you. The only drugs i take simply block my testosterone and increase my estrogen. That is it. No dopamine released at all. My endochrine levels are simply changed to be the same as a biological female.

Did you just fail basic grade 9 biology? Why are burgers so bad at science.

>>139637748
you're mentally ill / delusional. seek help

>>139638255
Quit arguing like a new, you disingenuous fuck. You are not a goddamned female, your perception of reality is so fucked up that you're fitting into a definition that is already nearly fully corrupted just so it can fit this brave new world we all live in.

Keep trying, schlomo, but we're way past your post modernist bullshit. There is an objective truth in this universe, and people like you don't conform to it because we let you. The cavalry is coming, though, and we're gonna make it right again.

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>>139638623
I am mentally ill yes, I saw many psychiatrists over many years.

>>139638843
>You are not a goddamned female,
I never said I was female, in fact in one of my first posts I literally said people like me are biologically male. Are you just illiterate?

>>139637131
>Look, I gave you a paper.
>a paper
You gave one paper published in a journal of "sexology" and tried to claim it was proof of a consensus in peer-reviewed medical papers.

>You haven't given me any counter evidence.
Googling for individual papers is an idiotic way to argue about consensus. You can search as easily as I can and see for yourself that there are plenty of papers which don't support your claimed "consensus".

>So even this concludes gender transitioning cure dysphoria.
No, it concludes that it "alleviates" dysphoria, which means "reduces", not "cures". And "dysphoria", in context, is specifically the reported feeling that one's perception of dissatisfaction with one's body, not the general mental disturbance of a person who reports gender dysphoria in the first place. There are few people who would ask for something as serious and extreme as being castrated, and then admit that it was foolish and now they wish someone had stopped them. Rather, they make other excuses for being unhappy.

If a madman claims he's Napoleon, and you get the people around him to agree to treat him as if he is Napoleon, let him dress up like Napoleon, call him "Emperor", etc. he would report reduced feelings of not-being-Napoleon dysphoria. But he would still be a madman. It's not addressing the real problem, and arguing that this is an improvement is incompetent reasoning.

>>139637076
Yeah, did some one try to kill you too? You were surely raped before right? And now you have AIDs too right? And then your parents tried to run you over with a dodge challenger too, right? Don't worry m8, it's not like there are new laws being signed right now for us to tolerate your mental illness and not send you to asylum asap. You are perfect. You have are so perfect that everyone is jealous of your faggotry. That's why they hate you.

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>>139627273
>cured

Yes, I too consider suicide a cure.

>>139639579
>You were surely raped before right?
well technically it was more physical violence stemming from a sexual encounter but yes.
>nd now you have AIDs too right?
nope im 100% clean
>And then your parents tried to run you over with a dodge challenger too, right?
No my parents just.. i dont want to talk about that.
>That's why they hate you.
I think they hate me because they think i like being like this and that i want to force others to change their way of life.
>you are perfect
Far from it

>>139639550

>You gave one paper published in a journal of "sexology" and tried to claim it was proof of a consensus in peer-reviewed medical papers.

Yes, that's generally what citing sources includes.

>Googling for individual papers is an idiotic way to argue about consensus. You can search as easily as I can and see for yourself that there are plenty of papers which don't support your claimed "consensus".

But I've shown it *is* consensus, because most first countries fucking practice it. What papers, the only I've seen in this thread so far was from 1981 and the institution that stopped administering transition therapy reinstated it later.

>No, it concludes that it "alleviates" dysphoria

Yes, that is what cures are supposed to do.

>And "dysphoria", in context, is specifically the reported feeling that one's perception of dissatisfaction with one's body

Yes that is what dysphoria is. A person who is in pain because they are fat and see themselves as skinny has dysphoria, that's why its called "gender dysphoria", to make the clarification its about gender.

Look you're not offering one cited paper, you're just arguing semantics that have already been addressed in the scientific community. Fact is, almost every developed agrees transitioning is the best cure for dysphoria, even fucking Russia. So it doesn't matter what semantics or strawman arguments you launch, the medical science is against you.

>>139640573
>Yes, that is what cures are supposed to do.
As someone with gender dysphoria i dont think its correct to say this. My gender dysphoria is not cure, the symptoms are simply managable through hormones. It would be like saying that insulin cures diabetes.

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>>139632213
>As a tranny i often feel ostracized in my community for not wanting to get the surgery
I sometimes see feeling trans as the same sort of angst that precedes the awakening of being redpilled.

My world (or body) as I live in and understand it makes me unhappy - but is my pain a result of me not having the world be as in my naivete I wish it were, or is my pain the healing dis-ease that would lead me to and awaken me to truth?

I prefer to believe that feeling trans is just another form of longing for wholeness, for a reconnection to the bonds that connect us all - and that longing for "the other" is fulfilled not by changing to my other incomplete half, but by finding true wholeness inside me.

I wish you good luck in finding happiness, wherever it may be.

(p.s. You might find it helpful to read or watch the part of the great Hindu epic "The Mahabharata" where the Pandavas, the great kings who are to liberate mankind from darkness and rule the world in light, must spend time in the forest living as..their opposite.)

>>139639965
Okay....I guess the whole point of the post went above your head. Sarcasm is a bit hard to get for a certain group of people.
Anyways, here's the deal. Your gender doesn't matter. Whatever gender you feel you are, you are biologically not. Go back to becoming whatever you were. Your gender was irrelevant then(it has no effect on your abilities), it is irrelevant now(still has no effect, except alienating you from sane people), except now you scare people of. Society runs on the basis of constant negotiations of human identities between human beings, and you becoming a clown is basically setting yourself up for having the lower hand in this game of negotiation.You have nothing to gain by being a tranny, but you have everything to lose. You are a combination of what you think you are and the image what others perceive of you. Don't let them think that you are mentally ill by pretending to be mentally ill. Go back, be whatever you earlier were and know that your gender is irrelevant

>>139640573
>it *is* consensus, because most first countries fucking practice it
That's not what "consensus" means.

>you're not offering one cited paper
Indeed, and I've explained why. Looking at any one paper in isolation won't tell you anything about whether there's a consensus. You can easily find numerous papers disputing that gender dysphoria should be treated with "transitioning".

Many people have irrational wishes and unhappiness. Everyone wants things they can't have. The way of dealing with this is not to force everyone else to pretend that an impossible wish has been granted.

Crazy people want it because they're crazy. Leftists support it because:
1) it's an excuse to exercise power over others, you need total control over society to force everyone to pretend that a man is a woman, and
2) by doing something wrong and vile, but attaching it to a good principle such as compassion, they can pose as being morally superior, because actually decent people will refuse to go along with the compassion-shrouded vileness.

>>139641428
>You might find it helpful to read or watch the part of the great Hindu epic "The Mahabharata" where the Pandavas, the great kings who are to liberate mankind from darkness and rule the world in light, must spend time in the forest living as..their opposite.)
the book or w/e has been bookmarked, thank you anon
>>139641530
Oh i knew you were being sarcastic after the first question mark, i just replied in a literal way because poo in loos dont deserve to have their attempts at sarcasm acknowledged.
> Go back to becoming whatever you were.
i was a sad, depressed, suicidal mentally unstable guy who had panic attacks all the time.

Now i am happy not suicidal and my panic attacks are quite rare. Why the fuck would i go back?

>>139633942
>I feel 100x better since being on hormones and honestly i would not be alive right now without them, i was so fucking suicidal before.

Assuming you're MtF, you're right. You weren't man enough to be a man and by turning yourself into a woman you're out of the game. You're not trying to fuck anymore, you're signalling yourself as a person who gets fucked. I'm sure you are happier now that you've given up (on a biological level) on being male. Whether that actually makes you a woman or not is a different question. I mean this all strictly in a biological sense, I'm not suggesting that you consciously 'gave up' or weren't tough enough or whatever, because you don't even believe in that.

The same thing happens in bad prisons, just on a micro-scale. You either become willing to defend yourself and be dominant or you get raped, so some guys just say 'fuck it' and start pretending to be a woman so they get protection and don't have to be raped. I think people would be amazed by how quickly these guys adapt to becoming women, how their mannerisms, voices etc. all change just to avoid trauma and ensure the survival of their sanity.

>>139622496
We live in the Age of William S. Burroughs.
>“The human body is scandalously inefficient. Instead of a mouth and an anus to get out of order why not have one all-purpose hole to eat and eliminate? We could seal up the nose and mouth, fill in the stomach, make an air hole direct into the lungs where it should have been in the first place . . . undifferentiated tissue, which can grow into any kind of flesh . . . Sex organs sprout everywhere.”

>>139641822
>You weren't man enough to be a man
This is partly true, i was very feminine, emotional, short (5'5) and was constantly bullied because people thought i was gay. Being a man is never really something i wanted to be though, it felt like something i was constantly being pressured to be that i never had any interest in. even as a little boy i was always playing with dolls and dress up with my sister.

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>>139622598
a decent looking trap with feminine benis
>there's atleast a hundred trapfetishists for every trap
>insanely high value in the sexual market
>can pick and choose sexual partners
>get paid gold for camwhoring/doing porn
>no gaping wounds and a working penis

a tranny with a neo-roastie
>just a inferior version of a real woman
>disgusting gaping hole you have to dilate every day forever
>hole is absolutely horrid and no sane straight man will ever want to fuck it
>women will always look better than you
>men will always prefer real women to you
>real women can give men children unlike you
>real women don't need hormones/cosmetics to look convincingly female unlike you
>basically no value in the sexual market


why anyone would ever do it is beyond me

>>139641798
Die a sad miserable death then. It's all on you. When the only redeeming quality about a person is his fucking gender then we know that that person is a living, breathing lulzcow. And do tell me more how society oppresses you and that it's not your own retardedness that make you an asocial outcast.

>>139642957
>Die a sad miserable death then.
I almost did. I was sad and miserable before and was literally 2 seconds from killing myself before my little sister walked in on me with a knife.

You have no idea about my life and how i felt back then and how i feel now. You dont want to understand, you simply want to be right and the fact that you know you aren't probably infuriates you. The happiest moments in my life have all been since my transition

>>139630004
Just ignore /gif/ shitposting

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>>139641798
>the book or w/e has been bookmarked, thank you anon
You're very welcome. The Mahabharata is one of humanity's great works, ~200,000 lines of Sanskrit. The famous Bhagavad Gita (where Krishna tells Arjuna the mysteries of the inner way) is but a small part of the larger work.

So since it's such a big task, it might be easier to begin by watching rather than reading, and to that end I'd recommend Peter Brook's film of his stage play adaptation. The play was 9 hours long (still short for a story of creation!), the full movie 5.5 hours. *DO NOT* watch the edited-for-ADHD 2.5 hour version, it's as useless as reading a book with every other page ripped out. And if you watch, do go in not trying to crush the life out of it by "understanding" it, just experience it for whatever comes through to you. Much like a living being, when they come into our lives our responsibility isn't to objectify them by "understanding" them, it's to open to and receive them in the fullness of their being.

If you can't watch it in a good environment like a home theater, then at least with this link you can watch the full version. Maybe watch it small pieces at a time, watching it all at once is like reading the Bible or Quran all at once, it's a lot to take in (though also amazing to experience in its wholeness, if you can).

Again, good luck in your continued search for happiness and peace, wherever it leads you.

Peter Brook's "The Mahabharata"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqkRGISQr8

p.s. To give you a flavor of the whole thing, this 6-minute excerpt is from when Krishna talks to Prince Arjuna before the great final battle for mankind (i.e., the Gita).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B4Z1PB97KY

>>139643145
>I almost did. I was sad and miserable before and was literally 2 seconds from killing myself before my little sister walked in on me with a knife.
Sad and miserable, why? Why were you suicidal?
And why would you think that becoming a girl-boi would solve all your problems?

>You dont want to understand, you simply want to be right and the fact that you know you aren't probably infuriates you. The happiest moments in my life have all been since my transition

Tell me how I'm wrong here? And destroying the delusions of a mental patient is the least of the things that infuriates me. On another note, tell me what changed after you "transitioned". Also tell me what do you mean by transitioning.

>>139642899
That doesn't change the fact that it's what's biologically healthy, and you should've been prescribed testosterone to fix all your shortcomings.

We can still save you.

>>139633576
Don't get rid of it.

I've had enough of those horror stories of people who got the knife.

Besides, like everyone said feminine penis > whatever that is

>>139642924
The tuga speaks the truth

>>139622496
>inb4 beta tranny vs trap chad. You've gone too far, /pol/

>>139627273
I hate when fag enablers bring up this point, it's retarded but if one actually believes this they just can't get redpilled on trannies. I was debating a (((conservative))) who said he would die for the right for people to throw pride parades and Tha trannies are normal and that SRS is a cure.

>>139644199
Is that fucking Bono?

>>139638012
>The only reason you feel "better" is because that's what taking drugs feels like, you goddamned idiot.
nigga what the fuck
its estrogen, what the fuck afkdjskwkdkfkskf

>>139632955
4chan is one of the gayest websites in existence. It took several purges to make /v/ not - /tranny general chat/

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>>139632213
>it's actually insane
Wow it's almost like you have to be crazy to think you're something that you aren't

>>139644915
>and you should've been prescribed testosterone to fix all your shortcomings
My testosterone was in normal male range and i know from going on/off my hormones that taking more testosterone just makes me feel worse.
>We can still save you.
I have C cup breasts, im a manlet and i look like a girl.

>>139622496
Does the existence of perfect hermaphrodites confirm that all persons contain the masculine and feminine principle, just in varying amounts?
> male AND female he created them

>>139647295
>being this illiterate
You know in one of the next two posts i literally said im biologically male right? Im well aware i am not female, i never claimed to be. Why are burgers so bad at basic reading comprehension?

>>139645340
Not going to. I never much cared for it but now that im attracted to girls post hormones and girls seem to like it i have no reason to get rid of it

>>139623488
The wording is confusing a bit. It's lile saying the most masculine thing you can do is fuck another man. Is she saying that getting the surgery is conforming to straight people standards of being either woman or man? And true trans is a crossdresser?

>>139628153
looks like a hidden file from a Resident Evil game

>>139622496
so for what I gather it is north Korean, really makes me think

>>139647820
>Is she saying that getting the surgery is conforming to straight people standards of being either woman or man? And true trans is a crossdresser?
probably

>>139622933
No it is the logical conclusion of their ideology

> if male and female are social constructs
> then there can not be any objective biological features for males or females
> if there are no objective biological features for males or females
> then it would be insane for someone to try to obtain biological features of a male or female

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>>139629889
>I call it "athlete's pussy"

>>139628491
I think they can't allow themselves to see it. What's worse are those who coddle them in their delusions instead of being straight with them (no pun intended) and not putting up with that bullshit. Would you give a few military divisions to command to some schizophrenic who "identified" as or believed he was Napoleon Bonaparte?

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>>139622496
Be the change you want

>>139640072
>>139640072
>>139640072

Improve yourself.

>>139631096
>>139633833
Agreed -- I actually moved myself to tears the other day contemplating the vast loss of human potential that has been inflicted on us by CIA drug traffickers

>>139623124
Have a (you)

>>139633833
Perfectly sensible position. I agree

>>139635427
That's because no therapy or "transitioning" or hormones or anything else will EVER change the fact that they have XX or XY chromosome, period.

A person CANNOT be "reassigned" a sex via surgery, their genitals can only be horribly mangled and mutilated into a monstrous approximation of the opposite sex's genitals.

>>139648729
Is he gonna be okay?

>>139651733
good thing patton died in a car crash then