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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
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>>137333709

>>137318669
>u should read Marks
>he tells the truth! the capitalist are just leeching of your labour
>yes he was unemployed and just leeched of his comrades inherited wealth
>just like me and my parents
>hey respond seriously
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We are on the right side of history
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>>137333709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c
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Why do MLs need a dictatorship of the proletariat? Can't we just democraticakly remove capitalism?

Also inb4 "gommies" comment
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>>137333991
I wonder if Nazis realize they are just delaying the inevitable
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People are finally waking up. The world will be communist in less than 20 years
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>>137334262
Or maybe they are making it happen faster. You never know.
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>>137334217
nigga you don't know what a dictatorship of the proletariat is if you just asked that.
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>>137333709
Marx was gay
Engels sucked him off for shekels
Commies cry and wets the bed every night.

Fin
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>>137334217

if you know how you tell me, I mean..., you think the bourgeoisie is going to let people democratically overthrow them?
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>>137333991
>communism
>good

It's amoral ideology that ends in tragedy ever time. Perpetuated. By the idealistic and those weak in understanding the natural order of things.
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>>137333709
You deserve to be killed kike shills.
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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Anime nazis
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>>137334498
>literally an arab calling us kike shills
ahahhaha
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>>137334262
>>137334618
>when you want to build gommunism but you depend on the largest symbol of capitalist power to barely scrap by
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Tanya is love, Tanya is life.
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>>137333991
America's Communist Movement Owed a Lot to Jewish Support
http://myjewishlearning.com/history/Modern_History/1914-1948/American_Jewry_Between_the_Wars/Radical_Politics.shtml
http://archive.is/1no4Q

Anti-Semitism
https://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
http://archive.is/XxRXf
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

Bolshevik Propaganda
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924030480051/cu31924030480051_djvu.txt
>Senator Wolcott. Are they in favor of any particular religion?

>Mr. Huntington. Not the leaders of this movement themselves; no, sir. The leaders of the movement, I should say, are about two-thirds Russian Jews and perhaps one-sixth or more of some of the other nationalities, like the Letts or the Armenians. The assistant in the foreign office was an Armenian. Then there are the Georgians; that is, the so-called Gruzinians of the Caucasus, and the remaining number Slavs. The superiority of the Jews is due to their intellectual superiority, because the average Jew is so much better educated than the average Russian; and also, I think, to the fact that the Hebrew people have suffered so in the past in Russia that it has inevitably resulted in their cherishing a grudge which has been worked out by the movement.

Chinese Communism?
http://jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/chinese_communism.htm
http://archive.is/j9jhk

Communism and the Jews
http://volokh.com/2011/10/29/communism-and-the-jews/
http://archive.is/bBdhk

Communism was Jewish - Communism is Jewish
http://controversyofzion.info/communism_was_jewish.htm
http://archive.is/SRRIz

Communism's Death Toll, and the Jewish Role in Bolshevism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=km6u4L1JsmY

A Jew in Mao's China
http://blogs.forward.com/the-arty-semite/159051/a-jew-in-maos-china/
http://archive.is/zuvnn
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This picture right here proves modern day commies are nothing but fucking larpers
In the cyrillic alphabet, this work would spell "Sommtsiism" (theres also no s in the cyrillic alphabet)
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>>137334726
not our fault Trump is /ourguy/
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>>137333709
>kike general
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>>137334127
Jews and Marxism - Socialism - Communism
http://come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt11.html
http://archive.is/bzuaa

The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine
http://books.google.com/books?id=9QNuiuhPzzIC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false

Jewish Communists
http://archive.is/gs9q1

Jewish Founders of International Communism for the One World Order
http://archive.is/FxwIc

Jewish Pre-Eminence in the Political Left/Communism
http://holywar.org/jewishtr/commun.htm
http://archive.is/9GVHi

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime
http://ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
http://archive.is/kFzh2

Jewish Activists Created Communism
http://truthtellers.org/alerts/jewishactivistscommunism.html
http://archive.is/3Euel

Jew or Not Jew: Vladimir Lenin
http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1

Jews and Bolshevism
http://heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html
http://archive.is/it45j

Jews and Communism
http://archive.is/C7rMb

Jewish Bolsheviks
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7lBtS_KBYec

Jewish Faces in Chinese Government
http://archive.is/FDURV

Jews and Communism - The South African Experience
http://rense.com/general85/jcom.htm
http://archive.is/QqhGD

Judaic Communists: The Documentary Record
http://revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
http://archive.is/k41f5

Karl Marx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Childhood_and_early_education:_1818.E2.80.931836
http://archive.is/rwTdC
>Ancestrally Ashkenazi Jewish, his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.

Lenin's Jewish roots confirmed
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4073133,00.html

Lenin's Jewish Roots Put on Display in Russian Museum
https://jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Lenins-Jewish-roots-put-on-display-in-Russian-museum
https://archive.is/6Z8XT
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>>137334848
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>>137334445
Muh gays
>>137334480
Muh hooman nature


Just sit back and watch the leftits win, you guys can live off the welfare later
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>>137334262
Leon Trotsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotski#Childhood_and_family_.281879.E2.80.931895.29
http://archive.is/xMRhM
>He was the fifth child of eight of well-to-do Jewish farmers, David Leontyevich Bronshtein and his wife Anna Bronshtein. The family was Jewish but reportedly not religious.

List of Communist Jews
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_Jews
http://archive.is/L080c

Putin: First Soviet Government was Mostly Jewish
http://jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Putin-First-Soviet-government-was-mostly-Jewish-317150
http://archive.is/uNDV5

Putin: Soviet Government Was Mostly Jewish
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oIeYoF1VhHc

Sources on Jews and Communism
https://archive.org/details/SourcesOnJewsAndCommunism_700

Soviet People By Ethnic or National Origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Soviet_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin

Soviets Evacuating Jews
http://archive.is/0rw2L

Soviets Razed Churches, Spared Synagogues
http://henrymakow.com/001913.html
http://archive.is/hcyTf

Stalin's Jews
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
http://archive.is/WAARm

Stalin's Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR
https://darkmoon.me/2015/stalins-willing-executioners-jews-hostile-elite-ussr/
http://archive.is/NaSDY

The Truth About Nelson Mandela – Communist, Terrorist, Murderer (With Jewish Handlers)
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/06/the-truth-about-nelson-mandela-communist-terrorist-murderer-with-jewish-handlers-3170156.html
http://archive.is/02SqB

Under the Sign of the Scorpion - Jewish Communists
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lZj1emEb1-g

Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html
http://archive.is/y5Pr8

Zionism versus Bolshevism by Winston S. Churchill
http://fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html
http://archive.is/NpjIj
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>>137334942
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>>137335004
>Implying anyone disagreeing with communism is a Christian
The pope sympathizes with you kikes. It doesn't mean I have to.
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>>137334279
Cultural Marxism
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M

Erich Fromm, Judaism and the Frankfurt School
http://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/Illumina%20Folder/kell24.htm

Frankfurt School
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt
http://incogman.net/2009/05/the-frankfurt-school-conspiracy-to-corrupt/

Frankfurt School of Social Research
http://jettandjahn.com/2010/10/frankfurt-school-of-social-research/

The Frankfurt School & Cultural Marxism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ghx3d1GiAc0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fkcy7256tBM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fG6TcYfpQOg

The Frankfurt School of Social Research and the Pathologization of Gentile Group Allegiances
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap5.pdf

Frankfurt School - Satanic Judaism in Action
http://www.henrymakow.com/frankfurt-school-satanic-judaism-in-action.html

Freud, the Frankfurt School and the Kabbalah
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/blog/holiness-sin-freud-frankfurt-school-and-kabbalah

The History of Political Correctness
https://youtube.com/watch?v=acjIw7cVc2k

How a Handfull of Marxist Jews Turned Western and U.S. Culture Upside Down
http://davidduke.com/how-a-handfull-of-marxist-jews-turned-western-and-us-culture-upside-down/

The Jewish Frankfurt School and the End of Western Civilization
http://www.dailystormer.com/the-jewish-frankfurt-school-and-the-end-of-western-civilization/

The New Dark Age: The Frankfurt School and "Political Correctness"
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html

Who Stole Our Culture?
http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41737/
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>>137334480
Communism is the natural order of things. Read Marx to understand
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>>137335181
that wasn't my point
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>>137334863
>mayachiai talmtsd (also there's no L in the cyrillic alphabet)
It's like you don't even try
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>>137335188
None of those are credible sources
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>>137333709
Our species will never be capable of this.
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Reporting in comrades
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>>137335065
You comms love the gays. You can't wait to get into a big 'olg daisy chain and have a good old suck on some on some unwashed, dirty prole smeg.
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>>137335359
Sup, wanna listen to some GYBE?
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>>137334819
How can you joke and not feel even a bit embarrassed by the fact that your heroes weren't murdered, raped or turned into slaves by muslims warlords for the mere fact that they fit the schemes of the man in Washington?
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>>137335351
Of publicly owned capital? Its not that huge of a thing and already happens on some levels.
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>>137335252
Doesn't matter. The pope is a kike sympathizer. And so are you.
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>>137333709
Can we get some non-Russian looking communism graphic design?
It’s old and has pretty much only awful connotations.
I think we need a more futuristic thing going on.
Think Apple, Inc., after it’s been seized by the people.
If you’re gonna give everyone free stuff, you want them to assume it’s gonna be nice stuff
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>>137333709
Was the real communism ever tried?
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>>137334127
Tfw every book in this image sat before a book burning council.
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>>137335545
so are you
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Sounds like a pretty shit deal to me. Have my property stolen, my rights taken away and being forced to work for a vanguard party who promises a vague and unrealistic utopia but only if I follow their orders unquestioningly? Sounds like a fucking cult.
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>>137335576
If you are familiar with Hegels absolute you could kind of see Marx's Communism as the same kind of idea
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>>137335545
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>>137335695
publically owned capital. private property is still a thing
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>>137335695
Thats not whats its about bruh, wanna chat in a coffee shop
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>>137333709
What is wrong with the LTV.

Non arguments:

>If I dig a hole in my backyard and then fill it in I used labor but made no value! Commies BTFO!

Marx clarified (unlike adam smith) that only socially nessary labor (labor used to produce a commodity with use value) creates value. This is also the case if you spend 1000 years making a bed.

>Nature can create value as well. If an apple falls from a tree then value is created without labor

Marx also noted nature could create value.

>if labor determines price why is coca cola cheaper than bottled water?

Labor doesn't determine price. It determines value (not exchange value or use value) and correlates with the equilibrium price. Supply and demand determine price.

Machines cannot create value. If I make a machine that makes diamonds out of thin air then the value of a diamond falls below that of bricks now that they can be aquired with no work what so ever. Price might not fall because you can still manipulate supply and demand but value certainly does.

Some definitions.

Use value = How useful an object is.
Exchange value = Market value of a commidity. Different from use value. You can sell a beanie baby for 200$ but it is almost completely useless.
Value = the amount of congealed labor withing a commodity.


Some evidence of the LTV
http://users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf
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>>137335545
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>>137335659
You are thinking of the nazis
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>>137333709
Time to wake up, /pol/!
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>>137335693
>>137335754
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>>137335339
Like I give a fuck what you commic faggots consider credible sources. Die.

Hitler & the German Economic Miracle
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FQu3ovIlPh4

Hitler's Economic Reform
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_r9Z-hTn1r4

Against the Mainstream: Nazi Privatization in 1930s Germany
http://ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

The Economic Plan of the NSDAP
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pKnFN8P21-0

Fascist Economics & Socialism of Duty [How National Socialism is Different from Marxist Socialism]
https://archive.is/7CUMq

The German State on a National & Socialist Foundation
http://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederTheGermanStateOnANationalAndSocialistFoundation

Hitler's Coup: The German War Against Globalism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7kLGYA1L4

Hitler's Economic Miracle
https://archive.is/hTgO2

How Hitler Tackled Unemployment & Revived Germany's Economy
https://youtube.com/watch?v=O99fWf_UIWs

How Hitler Tackled Unemployment & Revived Germany's Economy
https://archive.is/XKACi

Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest-Slavery
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederManifestoForTheAbolitionOfInterestSlavery1919

National Socialist Economics
http://pastebin.com/PPsmxdiK

National Socialist German Economic Policy
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-1-june-15th-2013
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-2-june-22nd-2013
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/national-socialist-german-economic-policy-part-3-june-29th-2013

The Program of the NSDAP the National Socialist Workers' Party & its General Conceptions
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFeder_TheProgramOfTheNSDAP

The Role of Private Property in Nazi Germany
http://aryanism.net/downloads/books/buchheim-scherner/the-role-of-private-property-in-the-nazi-economy.pdf

Social Welfare in Germany
https://archive.org/details/SocialWelfareInGermany

German Economic Policy
https://archive.org/details/GermanEconomicPolcy
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>>137333991

>Be Marx
>Look at Hegel
>Take Hegel's formula, which Hegel uses to prove PRUSSIAN MONARCHY will be the new epoch with an IDEALISTIC SYSTEM OF PHILOSOPHY
>Be Historically illiterate buffoon.
>Replace Idealism with debased 19th Century Materialism
>Plot out a cartoonish Whig History with your stupid ideology at the center
>Make your system THE FINALITY
>Make economics somehow the main determinant of man.
>Ignore or sideline everything else
>Idiots buy into your theory
>Try to overthrow capitalism.
>Surely, it will end now!
>It doesn't.
>Idiots buy into your theory.
>Try to overthrow capitalism.
>Surely, it will end now!
>It doesn't.
>Idiots by into your theory
>This new technology will surely make capitalism obsolete!
>Surely it will end now!
>It doesn't.
>150 Years later
>Idiots buy into 150-year old theory
>It's been the standardized method of academic rebellion for some time now.
>Nobody questions the 'rebels'. Assumes its correct.
>Keep on 'The Struggle'
>Surely, it will end now
>It doesn't
>Robots take over the economy
>Surely, it will end now!
>It will be like Star Trek!
>Fully Automated Gay Space Communism
>It doesn't happen
>Capitalism adapts
>Workers still work. Capitalists still own. Property exists.
>Download Das Capital on the holo-computer you bought with you e-bucks.
>Buy into theory
>Try to overthrow space capitalism
>It doesn't happen
>Get sent to Lunar Penal Colony
>Watch robots sort lunar rocks for 10.4 Coin per hour.
>Government can't pay you nothin'
>You think:
>We're in Late Stage Capitalism, surely.
>It's all going to go into a utopia, right?
>History keeps on going.
>History ain't Marx's bitch.
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>>137335548

Maybe change the background but the hammer and sickle has grown on me, I can't get a substitute
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>>137336040
>IF I SPAM LINKS HE'LL SHUT UP WAH
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hElLO c0mRaDeS!!!~~ tHiS g3nErAl iS 4 tHe DiScU55 of MaRxIsM-lEnInIsM, ThE iDeOl0gY oFFFFF ReVoLuTioNaRy SoCiAlIsM aNd CoMuNiSm~~~ (LoVe!!!!)

C0MMUNI5M~~~ iS THE NEXT BIG THING iN lIkE 4eVa!~~~~
WhAt eXcLy i5 CoMuNiSm:

>CoMuNiSm HoPiN h3 wILL n0tIcE u~~~
>CoMuNiSm iS bEiN iNsEpArAtAbLe FrOm u FRIENDS!!!~~~~~
>To MaKe CoMuNiSm U nEeD 2 sEiZe MeMes (LOL SO RANDOM XDDDDD) oF pRoDuCtIoN fRoM tOsE FAKE BOURGEIZE SLUTS (i hate them so much! )
https://www.livejournal.com/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.livejournal.com/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
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>>137333709
fuck off with your hivemind bullshit that eventually fucks everybody within the system
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>>137335960
Does the state not have supreme control of capital in com land?
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>>137336161
your generalizations mean nothing
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>>137335924
Ancestry of Adolf Hitler
http://history1900s.about.com/od/hitleradolf/a/hitlerancestry.htm
https://archive.is/MqOr

The Fake Legends of Adolf Hitler's Jewish Grandfather
http://carolynyeager.net/fake-legends-adolf-hitler%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cjewish-grandfather%E2%80%9D
https://archive.is/k0f34

Hitler Jewish?
https://archive.is/GiRKh

Hitler Was a Jew / Rothschild Debunked in Under Sixty Seconds
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hE0gu5cjwCo

Hitler Was Not a Rothschild or a Zionist Agent
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/hitler-was-not-rothschild-or-zionist-agent

Jew or Not Jew: Adolf Hitler
http://jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=358
https://archive.is/Aod6d

Lineage of Adolf Hitler
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lineage_of_Adolf_Hitler
https://archive.is/gI7tI

Was Adolf Hitler Jewish?
http://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html
https://archive.is/IrLUs

Was Hitler Jewish?
http://hnn.us/article/142825
https://archive.is/DYoNk
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yo KANGZ an KWEENZ. Dis general iz for da takin of da past of BLACK MELANOID MAN

Back in da day WE WUZ KANGZ we travel da stars and oda planetz in our space MELANOID ships an shiet.

Woke thingz u need to now to be WOKE

>Dr. Seuss, dat cracka with da rhymes iz da prophet of Satan
>Honkeys wuz made by black science manz as soldiers for fightin our wars for us. But dey rebeled. But ANCIENT BLACK MELANID MAN was wise an shiet and gave honkeys tiny dicks so honkey bitches will allways prefere a nigga.
>Rapture will be raptors (like dem dinosaurs) fallin from da sky and eating honkeys.
>Star Wars an Predator? Tottaly happened. Stay Woke.
>Da Earth is eampty inside an shiet.
>Aborted babies don't be dyin. They are flushed down da toilet an live in da sewers.
>Honkeys drink ya blood.

Resources a nigga need:

http://msta1913.org/
https://utravioletholocaust.wordpress.com/
http://www.moorishsociety.org/
http://www.kfc.com
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>>137336218
What's the matter yid? Don't like the fact that I'm countering your lies with the truth?

Hitler Arrested Baron Louis De Rothschild
http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2015/09/hitler-arrested-baron-louis-de-rothschild-2449826.html
https://archive.is/tYZyn

Hitler versus Rothschild
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wk7F3OYhp4Q

Hitler Was Not a Rothschild or a Zionist Agent
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/hitler-was-not-rothschild-or-zionist-agent

Hitler's Speech Against the International Bankers, Warmongers, England
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3aKE4M5bk

How Hitler Defied the International Bankers
https://archive.org/details/HowHitlerDefiedTheInternationalBankers
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>>137336432
make an argument
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FUKC CAPITALISM!!
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>over 75 replies

we are in the big leagues now comrades
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Hello cucks. This general is for the discussion of Cuckoldry, the ideology of revolutionary open relationships and sexual desire.

Cuckoldry is the next stage of relationship following the monogamy.

What exactly is cuckoldry according to cucks:

>Cuckoldry is a stage of relationship in which the reproductive means of the wife are bull-owned, and husband gets to bed not in order to have sex with her but to prep the bull.
>Cuckoldry in it's full form is a pleasurably degrading, bull-worshipping relationship that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a relationship cuckoldry teaches us that we must replace the standrad marrige, which is controlled by the husband and a wife, by a cucked relationship, which is controlled by the bull. Then, a period of prepping follows in which the bull is pleasured by the cuck. When the bull class has been prepped, there will be time for wife to get mounted by the bull, and eventually the functions of the husband will become indistinguishable from the functions of a porn shot fluffer, and his genitalia will 'wither away' as Marx said.

I don't have any websites but i'm pretty sure OP can help me with that.
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>>137336537
>you have to look good in order to have opinions!
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>>137333709

Sage all shit post


>Communism
>Mommy I want my Tendies
>Mommy I will not go to church this sunday
>Mommy I am a big boy
>Communism
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>>137336040
Smart
>>137336161
Smart
>>137336218
Fucking retard

Learn to not adhere to plebeian ideologies like communism.
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>>137336526
>make an argument
I already have. Communism is Jewish. Cultural Marxism is Jewish. National Socialism is economically viable. Adolf Hitler was not a Jew. Adolf Hitler did not work for the bankers.
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To non-commies, do not bump the thread, it will only stay up longer, so don't bother posting in this bad thread
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>>137336694
read the logical fallacy stick and then come back.
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>>137336679
The judeo allies started WW2.

How World War II Came About
http://heretical.com/mkilliam/wwii.html
https://archive.is/eh2S1

The Jewish Hand in the World Wars
https://inconvenienthistory.com/5/2/3209
https://archive.is/B7hr3
https://inconvenienthistory.com/6/2/3294
https://archive.is/91wv3

The Jews Declared War - Against Germany!
http://goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jewsdeclarewar/jewsdeclarewar.htm
https://archive.is/X2a4S

Judea Declares War on Germany
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xe6npWo7Wug

Important Quotations for a Better Understanding of World War II
http://balder.org/judea/Important-Quotations-For-A-Better-Understanding-Of-WWII.php
https://archive.is/yhuQx

The Myth of German Culpability
http://rense.com/general83/dett.htm
https://archive.is/YcqlB

President Roosevelt's Campaign to Incite War in Europe: The Secret Polish Documents - Mark Weber
http://ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html
https://archive.is/A5hEw
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres10/v4%232.pdf

Roosevelt's Campaign to Incite War in Europe
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/roosevelts-campaign-incite-war-europe-part-1-september-1st-2012
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/roosevelts-campaign-incite-war-europe-part-2-september-8th-2012
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/roosevelts-campaign-incite-war-europe-part-3-september-22nd-2012
http://mk.christogenea.org/podcasts/roosevelts-campaign-incite-war-europe-part-4-september-29th-2012

Stalin's Secret War Plans
http://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/stalwarplans.html
https://archive.is/Q6g5X

There Was No Need for World War II
http://rense.com/general63/ride.htm
https://archive.is/zb8QP

What Started World War II: The Real Cause - William Pierce
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DFW2Z9Avbyk

The Zionist Jewish Role in Causing World War II
http://rense.com/general45/zzo.htm
https://archive.is/7Klke
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>>137334262

They will fall to Kurdish infighting in a decade. If the Turks don't bomb them into oblivion.
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>>137336846
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>>137336829
so was Nazi germany >>137335693
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>>137336964
Jews are obviously smarter than you nazis
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>>137335960
Burning beastality books and Jewish literature. They were doing gods work.
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>>137334262
they getting the saigon treatment
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>>137337068
The Forced War ~ David Hoggan
http://jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/David%20Hoggan-The%20Forced%20War.pdf


Adolf Hitler Explains Reasons for Invading Poland
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VQL2D3uBvSI
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Djk8oqLrrAY

Death in Poland: The Fate of the Ethnic Germans
https://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/deathinpoland/dp00.html
https://archive.is/krBrL

The Gleiwitz "False Flag" Incident is Pure Fiction
https://carolynyeager.net/gleiwitz-%E2%80%9Cfalse-flag%E2%80%9D-incident-pure-fiction
https://archive.is/WvBdi

The Heretics' Hour: The False Story of the Gleiwitz "False Flag" Incident
http://reasonradionetwork.com/20120319/the-heretics-hour-the-false-story-of-the-gleiwitz-false-flag-incident
https://archive.is/EgOvk

Poland and Falsifications of Polish History
https://cwporter.com/loeser2.htm
https://archive.is/u1lcI

Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland
http://jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
https://archive.is/KOYwn

The True Reason Why Germany Invaded Poland
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zYZjcz4LU6E

The Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict
https://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html
https://archive.is/ZKifR


...Funny how you never see any pics of Stalin or Marx working in the fields.
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>>137337168
Please cite what you think the definition of communism is
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Just swinging by to remind you guys that Marxism is not palatable to a majority of the posters here, and just because you force a daily thread will not make it any more popular.
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>>137333709
Communism killed 100 million people. It is the worst ideology ever created. Kill yourself you waste of spunk.
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>>137337283
>Please cite what you think the definition of communism is
A Jewish ideology intended to destroy the white race for the benefit of the Jews.

And I've already proven it in this thread.

Though you can't refute anything I've posted.

Because you're an anti-White judeo communist.
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>>137337393
can you explain how killing 100 million people means the idea is inherently wrong?
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>>137337445
And why is that a bad thing exactly?
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Sorry


I made an extra 10K on top of my engineering job this year selling other people's garbage

Watches, Laptops , Levis' coffee makers,

What's your excuse for being a poor fag ?
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>>137337416
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You boyos at the solidarity marches today?

Or are you SECTARIAN?
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>>137335339

And Marxist dogma is?
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>>137337550
I don't see how that is anti-communist unless you were exploiting capital to make money
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Your days are numbered
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>>137337479
>can you explain how killing 100 million people means the idea is inherently wrong?
Because if your ideology was right, you wouldn't have to kill anyone

>inb4 hurr durr hitler and muh six million
The holocaust literally did not happen and the allies started the war as I've already proved.

>>137337535
>And why is that a bad thing exactly?
Jews are inherently anti-White.
Communism is inherently Jewish.
Therefore, Communism is inherently anti-White.

You want to destroy the White race, making you anti-White.

Thus you should be shot.
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Im curious to learn about communism, any recommendations on books?
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>>137337617
Its a philosophy and a big part of it is a criticism of capitalism. You have to make some kind of leap of faith in any ideology
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>>137337772
White people are evil though. Remember how they slaved Africans and haven't even repairated them back with money yet?
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>>137337814
The communist manifesto by Marx is a quick read
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>>137337956
>White people are evil though. Remember how they slaved Africans and haven't even repairated them back with money yet?
My grandma was raped under Soviet occupation. When can I expect my check in the mail?
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>>137337814
sure, read "Debunking Economics: The Naked Emporer Dethroned" and its chapter on Marxism. That's about all you need to know.

I can post the entire chapter here if you like, pic related.
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>>137338079
White people are too priveleged to be able to be repaireted.
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>>137337283
>>137337479
>>137337535
>can you please bump my thread?
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>>137337814
Homage to Catalonia
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>>137337479
>can you explain how killing 100 million people means the idea is inherently wrong?

Commies really are sub-human trash.
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Hahaha commies here are either larpers or serious. I don't know which one is sadder.
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>>137337814
>>137338322
whoops, didn't notice you said to learn about communism, still a good book though
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>>137338382
not an argument
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>>137337956
>White people are evil though. Remember how they slaved Africans and haven't even repairated them back with money yet?
Of course you believe that, you're a judeo communist.

Jews hate White people

Also...

Hey Kids...It's Time for Some Dumb Myths and Smart Facts About Slavery!
http://www.vice.com/read/hey-v12n5
>JEWS: The oldest synagogue in America was built by Aaron Lopez, a Jewish slave trader. Jewish writers such as Cecil Roth, Wilfred Samuels, Seymour B. Liebman, and Moshe Kahan acknowledge that Jews were involved in all levels of the African slave trade.
In fact, children, white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.

The Jewish Black Slave Traders
http://jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-slaves.html

Jewish Involvement in Black Slave Trade to the Americas
http://www.rense.com/general69/invo.htm

Jewish Role in African Slave Trade Admitted by Rabbi in New Jewish Book
http://davidduke.com/jewish-role-african-slave-trade-highlighted-new-dutch-jewish-book/
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>>137338389
>Violating human rights and property rights, stealing other people's salaries does not incentive people to work.


Yes, capitalism does steal from the worker and decentivize work.
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>>137338382
Reminder that the potato famine happened under capitalism, there was enough food but it was being exported anyway by the British
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Communism is gay and doesn't work dumbasses
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>>137338235
You have commie privilege. You oppressed the bejeesus out of my gramma, so commies are more privileged than even white people. Pay up
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>>137338733
Not an argument my friend
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>>137333709

Hello, communism fails, because central planning is inferior to free market forces and the price mechanism.

Violating human rights and property rights, stealing other people's salaries discourages people to work.

A doctor who gets paid the same as a plumber has no incentive to do a good job.

The Communist Party members do have luxury that is denied to the people.

There's no vested reason to support a regime that is not chosen by the people.
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>>137338733
wtf? i'm a libertarian now
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>>137334279
Yeah and India will be a superpower by 2020
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>>137338940
>Not an argument my friend
I've already proven its gay (aka Jewish) and it doesn't work.

You literally cannot refute a single thing I've posted in this thread.
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WROOM WROOM
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>>137338940
Oh you want an example?

Mao
Marx
Kim Jung Un/Il
Stalin

Some failures. Meanwhile capitalism is doing what? That's right. What collapsed the USSR? That's right.

Get fucking real. if you think Communism can work you probably also thing unicorns shit rainbow lucky charms.
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FUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUM FUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUMFUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUMFUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUMFUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUMFUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUMFUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUMFUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUMFUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUMFUCK OFF, COMMIE SCUM
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>>137339092
>I've already proven its gay (aka Jewish)
oh /pol/
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>>137336291

Marxism is the ideology of nothingness pretending to be something. It is a force of negation, moving foreword to a utopia than cannot come.

You seek to destroy all that is human to reach what you think is true humanity. All you will make is dust. Man cannot be liberated from himself.

>>137337859

Couldn't you say the same about Fascism? Fascists critique capitalism virulently, but do so from a different angle than Marxoids. Hell, it is more of a leap of faith to go for it instead of Marxism.
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>>137338982
>forced abortions are murders
Why not calculate the children of the children who were never born?

Mao killed more like 586Quadrillion people.
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You can't eliminate disparity of wealth, you can substitute its signifiers, you can change the means by which it's acquired and preserved, but the nature of reality is such that its scarcity is a constant in the human experience.
Through different biological characteristics and unpredictable circumstances people develop different capabilities when it comes to acquiring a portion of the available wealth and power under whatever economic and political situation they live in, this necessarily leads to inequality.
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>>137339276
>oh /pol/
Not an argument.
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>>137338322

The fate of all commies. To make little short-term experiments, to proclaim them utopias, and to have them destroyed by something bigger, something stronger.

Human nature loathes utopia.
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>>137333709
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>Marxist "economics"
Let me tell you about the LTV, which is the cornerstone of Marx's revolutionary message and the "scientific" part of his "scientific" socialism

Consider a two workers, one of them "working" a slot machine, and one of them working a stamp press on an assembly line. Imagine that the machines were built so that both workers are doing the EXACT same thing while "working" the machines.

Now, one is obviously more productive than the other. According to the LTV under Marxist philosophy, the difference between those two workers' output should be SOLELY attributable to the workers themselves. Back to reality, clearly, the difference in surplus produced is SOLELY ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE MACHINES. Furthermore, a fully automated machine could replace both workers quite easily. Therefore, machines can produce surplus value, and the LTV (and by extension a huge portion of Marxist "economics") is unsound.
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>>137339507
I know its not, I just found that sentence funny
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>>137339241
>>137339260
>>137339286
Not an argument
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>>137333709
Absolute shit, go die in a ditch

>>137336255
Totally tubular, where do i sign to start the white genocide again?
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>>137339286
Did somebody say Fascism!?

Open Letter to the White Man - Anonymous
http://laraj.ca/AGwiki/uploads/Contemporary/IronmarchOriginals/Vladimir%20-%20Open%20letter%20to%20the%20white%20man.pdf

The Decline of the West - Oswald Spengler
https://archive.org/details/Decline-Of-The-West-Oswald-Spengler

For My Legionaries - Corneliu Zelea Codreanu
https://archive.org/details/ForMyLegionaries_334

The Hour of Decision - Oswald Spengler
https://archive.org/details/TheHourOfDecision

Man and Technics - Oswald Spengler
https://archive.org/details/ManTechnics-AContributionToAPhilosophyOfLife193253

Men Among the Ruins - Julius Evola
https://archive.org/details/MenAmongTheRuins_536

Mein Kampf - Adolf Hitler
https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitlerMeinKampf_201608

1001 Quotes By and About Jews - Willie Martin
https://archive.org/details/1001QuotesByAndAboutJews

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
https://archive.org/details/TheProtocolsOfTheLearnedEldersOfZion_201510

Revolt Against the Modern World - Julius Evola
https://archive.org/details/RevoltAgainstTheModernWorld

Revolution and How to Do it in Modern Society - Kai Murros
http://www.kolumbus.fi/aquilon/revolution.pdf

Ride the Tiger - Julius Evola
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-aRcIuNf5CA4dftn4

The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy - Lothrop Stoddard
https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/download/TheRisingTideofColorAgainstWhiteWorldSupremacy_10068225.pdf

Siege - James Mason
https://archive.org/details/Siege_836

The Storm of Steel - Ernst Jünger
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2OOm3YHr1WIX05wVlBraVhWQUk/edit

Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Friedrich Nietzsche
https://archive.org/details/ThusSpakeZarathustra_109

The Turner Diaries - William Luther Pierce
https://archive.org/details/TheTurnerDiariesByAndrewMacdonald

White Power - George Lincoln Rockwell
https://archive.org/details/WhitePower_189
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>>137339638
Not an argument
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>>137339729
>>137339736
Not an argument
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>>137333709
Marxism is for fat disabled welfare niggers. Anarcho capitalism is the economic equivallant of james deen. Capitalism is the non gay ass system. And can not be over thrown by faggot lefties
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>>137339712
>>137339796
>>137339828
>I know its not, I just found that sentence funny
That's because you're an anti-White judeo communist who can't refute the facts I've posted here.
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>>137339848
Nope, everything you just wrote is wrong.
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>>137339796

It's not an argument because it contradicts my Materialist Retardation!
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>>137339976
That's where you're wrong.

Also, not an argument.
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>>137339796
Actually the leaf's infographic does raise the point that command economies do not offer a good mechanism for determining prices.
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>>137339976
Name one usfull invention created by some lazy nigger commie
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>>137339976
>Nope, everything you just wrote is wrong.
That's quite ironic coming from a judeo communist.
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>>137333709
I hope this won't become a thing.
/tg/ (trump general) and /sg/ (syria general) are cancerous enough
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>>137340131
Name one usfull invention created by you
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>>137340070
>>137340131
>>137340181
Not an argument
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>>137340189
>I hope this won't become a thing.
It's been a thing for several months. There's a NatSoc general but those that do those are usually offline..probably working.
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All you communists will hang or be silenced and broken.
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>>137340278
I invented the whoopi cushion backscratcher and made millions thanks to the capitalist state
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>>137340108
wow good job congratulating the leaf for posting an inaccurate meme (supply curve is mostly flat, demand curve doesn't exist), while I wrote a whole book debunking the LTV

but do you congratulate me? nnoooOOOOOO!
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>>137340044
It's not an argument because it's not an argument.

We can talk about how by killing 586Quadrillion people Mao reached the highscore, but I assume you have no arguments against Maos highscore.
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>>137340362
Wrong. Also lol at the state of white nationalism in the US right now
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>>137339976
Not an argument.

>>137340131
inb4 stolen German technology
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>>137340445
murder reduces the productive capacity of a nation, as well as morale
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>>137334522
this is my favorite part of these threads
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>>137340445
Not an argument.
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You can attempt to justify your mediocre, blatantly wrong political views through biased works written by long dead men, but that doesn't change the fact that literally every modern incarnation of Communism since 1922 (or 1871 if you count the Paris Commune) has always resulted in failure and ruin.
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>>137340362
>>137340437
>>137340554
>>137340620
Not an argument
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NIGGER COMMIE JEW SPIC FAGGOT
-/pol/
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>>137340502
kek at every single communist country that ever excised.
Oh and you will hang
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>>137337814
Here are a 2 good books:
Capital (just chapter one more if you find it interesting)
Price value and profit
state and revoultion.
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>>137340668
Also Communism killed 586Quintillion people
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>>137333709
doesnt work at any lvl
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>>137340766
to be honest you and your comrades are the ones responsible for destroying the discourse in this thread, probably because they were losing
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>>137333991
>We are on the right side of history
Where's the USSR today, Comrade Cumguzzler?
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>>137340777
>Oh and you will hang
You wont do shit nerd
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>>137338202
hey I see you posted something critique the LTV can you please respond to this:
>>137335856
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>>137340777
>>137340782
Not an argument
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>>137340824
I wouldn't say Communism killed that much, but the tally is certainly very high.
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>>137340897
>Where's the USSR today
Brought down by the traitor Gorbachev
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Nice tears im seeing here :^)
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>>137340935
I want no discourse with a Marxist, i want you to die.
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>>137337567
This is literally a North Korean propaganda painting. Google it.
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>>137333709
¿How giving state all power (dictatorship of the proletarian), we end in the abolishment of state?
I am reallly confused about this.
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>>137336161

lol
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>>137340965
Communism killed 586Sextillion people because of abortions, haven't you read the New York Times or Breitbart?
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Another hard day at the bread lines eh comrades.
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>>137341149
Not an argument.
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>>137341329
Stalin killed 586Septillion people by personally stealing all the food from everybody.
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Yo why did commies like jose stalin and Mao TheDong kill -100 bijillion people
Checkmate gommies MARX BTFO communism will never work LMAO
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>>137341254
Really? I had no idea. Simply terrible.
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>>137341149
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GET

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OUR

BOARD

KIKES!
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>>137339638
One of those activitys is not socially nessary labor and creates a product that has no use value. See here:
>>137335856
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>>137341557
>muh safespace
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>>137341557
IM FUCKING YOUR WOMEN LITTLE WHITEY LMAO
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>tfw you don't hate Communism as an ideal but you hate those who follow it so much that you want to wipe it from the face of the earth and violently murder all those who embrace it
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>>137333709
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>>137341220
>>137341635
Pls respond
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>>137337283

are you intentionally being a cliche or just trolling?
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How fascinating it is to see some people spending that much time and energy to fight something that is, according to them, impossible anyway.
Really makes you think.
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>>137333709
https://youtu.be/XdQCxfgwLNA
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>>137341548
Mao killed 586Octillion people by going around and personally punching every pregnant woman's belly
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>hate those who follow it
Who are you talking about?
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>>137333709
we should ship all of you fucks to Venezuela and then drop a nuke on it,
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>>137341839
>>137341676
meant for you
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>>137341839
People like yourself, or those commonly found on /leftypol/.
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>>137341553
Gladly if i ever accomplish half of what he did.

>>137341889
Theyd go if they didnt rely on welfare
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>>137341691
Wrong Communism killed 586Nonillion people. NYTimes and Breitbart said so must be true.
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>>137341483
>>137341535
Wasn't real communism
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>>137341557
COMMUNISM IS A FUCKING JEW CREATION MADE IN ORDER TO CONTROL ALL OF US
SIEG HEIL
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Face it /pol/, blacks are the ubermensch
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>>137341993
>Gladly if i ever accomplish half of what he did.
He accomplished nothing, Germany lay in literal ruins because of his actions
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>>137341635
I hope you choke on your shekels. The helicopters are waiting...
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>>137333709
hi fag you starving yet? How is the weather in Venezuela?
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>>137341220
Its complicated.
1. We don't want to give all power to the current state we want to smash the state and replace it with the proletariat organized as the ruling class

2. Over time class will go away and because the state is an insturment of class dominance without classes it is no longer nessary.

3. It begins to "wither" away. The police become unnessary because without classes violence is less common and can be handeled by the people instead of the state. Economic planning and labor vouchers wither and scarcity starts to disapear and people voluntarily give what according to ability and take according to need.

4. Eventually the state withers into nothingness and a classless stateless society is realized. For a more complete explanation read State and revoultion by vladimir lenin.
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>>137333709
>stateless
>classless
>socialist state controlled by the working class
Lol
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>>137334262
nah it is the Jew that will fall desu, that is what is inevitable
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>>137342219
>helicopters
Not an argument
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>>137342219
Wait, why do you love pinochet so much yet chileans dont
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>>137334279
The US will never fall to cumminism you will be sucking cock
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I really do like the ideals of Communism, though I disagree with internationalism. Why do you have to be such subhumans?
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>>137341671
Our women will be saved from your tyranny, you are doing a disservice to even your own race by mixing.

You are a joke to your people and blood. If you took so much pride in being non-white then why do you pride in bedding white women as the best of all? Hmm.
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>>137342224
Maduro already killed 586Decillion people, but he's a socialist, not a Communist.
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>>137333709
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>>137341780
Because when it goes wrong it has the tendency to really fuck up a place, isn't that obvious?
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>>137342117
Ew.
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>>137342464
Sounds like a good time to me
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>>137342500
I have no idea who these people are
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>>137342512
>Our women will be saved from your tyranny
Not an argument, also you sound like a virgin.
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>>137342379
>being this autistic
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>>137341780
It's very possible to create a society so full of degeneracy that the average white would have no chance. The system will never sustain its self but millions of whites will die in the attempt. Do you white commies actually believe that the shitskins and mudslimes won't kill you if communism takes hold?
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>>137342421
He loves jews
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>>137342577
Communism has already killed 586Undecillion people.
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>>137342293
>proletariat
>a single organized class
Is it the 19th century again? How was the day cleaning chimneys Oliver?
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>>137342752
>being this autistic
Not an argument
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>>137333709
Hello comrades, communism will triumph.
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>>137333709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq8y-ejapjE
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>>137342758
white people are overrated
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>>137342697
You fucker... This is all a troll...

Well done.
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>>137342940
Yes it will
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>>137342642
Merely an example. 99% of the Communists I've ever come across are the lowest tier of human garbage imaginable. Pathetic weed smoking hedonistic man children and hipster college trash of the most disgusting variety.

How do you feel about the fact that your movement is comprised of such individuals?
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>>137342957
Not an argument
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>>137343065
They deserve the gulag
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>>137342642
I really want to like you, but the overwhelming majority of those who associate themselves with your ideology are insufferable.
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>>137343065
Not an argument
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>>137342847
If we are talking class as in relationship to the means of production, distribution and exchange then yes the proletariat is still a single class.
>>137342904
>>137343086
>>137342379
your making us look bad with this.
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>>137342293

>1. We don't want to give all power to the current state we want to smash the state and replace it with the proletariat organized as the ruling class
understandable

>2. Over time class will go away and because the state is an instrument of class dominance without classes it is no longer necessary.
this confuses me. So the state, initially will have a ruling class. This class must by your very definition be the ruling class. So the state as in instrument of class dominance is by your definition necessary, if it wasn't why did you find it necessary to create it with class dominance built in? (Proletariat as the dominant class?)

>3. It begins to "wither" away. The police become unnecessary because without classes violence is less common and can be handled by the people instead of the state. Economic planning and labor vouchers wither and scarcity starts to disappear and people voluntarily give what according to ability and take according to need.
what about violence that is not predicated on class? (such as individualistic impulses - the very ones that communists admit caused the creation of the aristocracy / bourgeoisie) So you intent that all justice is vigilante justice? What if that justice turns itself against the state which is now weakening? (assuming we forget about my objections to point 2 for the sake of this argument) Does this withering state allow the vigilante justice to attack it? If so, why would it? The people that make up the system would be hurt or killed, and surely the people have self preservation instincts. If not, doesn't this stop the withering you expect? How does scarcity disappear?

>4. Eventually the state withers into nothingness and a classless stateless society is realized.
???? How do you get to 4???? All the steps leading up to 4, via the apriori reasoning just given, but also as shown in application, have the opposite result. Explain yourself.
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>>137333709
Fuck communists. Dirty nigger loving anti-white anti-Capitalist welfare queens. I have more respect for those idiot skinheads than for your destructive ideology.
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>>137333709

communism is an ideology for workers and none of these fucking NEETS work that's why you won't get any support here
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>>137333709
Quotes from Karl Marx:

“Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”

"It is now completely clear to me that [Ferdinand LaSalle], as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a nigger. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product."

"What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. … Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man—and turns them into commodities. … The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general."

You pinko commie faggots don't even know who you worship.
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But seriously... Have we investigated 9/11?
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>>137343214
You can be left wing and not associate with the SJW types or whatever they are. I don't think those people have any real ideology anyway
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>>137342977
What makes you feel this?
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>>137343560

You fuckers come from the same rotten tree. You cannot escape them, for they are you.
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>>137343804
Their time is over
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>>137343263
I will retreat despite Comrade Molymemes teachings about arguments and leave the arguing to you.
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>>137343065
>100%* of the Communists I've ever come across
Fixed
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>>137343086
>posts on /pol/
>right wing, main enemy communist
>expects to be taken seriously
>"not an arguement"
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>>137343844
Nah they are a bunch of faggot liberals who scream about trans rights and identity politics or whatever without seeing or discussing any real underlying issues of class and capitalism
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>>137343485
Or you know communism just sucks dick lmao
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>>137343560
I'm actually a Strasserist, so close enough. I've wanted to associate myself with left wing groups over Fascists, but I've always been repelled by what I just described. No left wing group is free of the cancer, so I'm instead forced to side with the right, with whom I have much less in common ideologically speaking.
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Why can't communist explain their economic model?
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>>137344082
real communism doesn't suck dick
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>>137333709
communists kill yourselves
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>>137333709
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>>137344408
I'm sorry tovarish but yes
Yes it absolutely does in all its iterations
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>>137344739
How would you know? It isn't real.
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>>137344372
If there was a communist world government how would they solve the problem of economic calculation without any prices?
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>>137344372
Because it's not an economic model,and even a children fairy-tale is more credible than it.
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>>137334522
literally the only reason for these threads to exist
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>>137344064
You wanna talk about class and capitalism?

Class:

Kim Jong Un, extremely wealthy and powerful. There is even a religion that views the Kim family as gods. Mao Tze Tung was the same way. It is always the leader of communist countries in an elite class while everyone else is just a poor prole.

Capitalism:

The leaders of communist countries become insanely wealthy because of capitalism. They just make their fortunes off the hard work of the proles that are supposed to be the ruling class and then selling the product to capitalist countries.

Read a fucking book faggot.
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I'm a communist that believes in genetics (racial science) , nations and that jews have a dominant role in investment banking. What does that make me?
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>>137343844
If you want to at least know your enemy, you can read this: http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=11299
And if you don't want to give a click to a leftist website: http://archive.is/Mv5sJ
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>>137343434
>this confuses me. So the state, initially will have a ruling class. This class must by your very definition be the ruling class. So the state as in instrument of class dominance is by your definition necessary, if it wasn't why did you find it necessary to create it with class dominance built in? (Proletariat as the dominant class?)

Because innitially there will still be bourgoise resistance and possibly even classes. The class system is flipped before class disapears. Maybe. Some anarchists and ulta-leftists say the transition stage is unnessary in the current year.

>what about violence that is not predicated on class?

Most criminal violence is based on material conditions (oh I don't have enough food I'll go steal some/ Oh i fethishize this commodity I need to get it) of course there will still be crazy people who kill or steal because of mental illness or violence not based on material conditions but I think this sort of thing could be handled on a local level without centralized state involvement.

>how does scarcity disapear.

More efficient production and automation. Until scarcity is effectively gone for the most part.

>Does this withering state allow the vigilante justice to attack it?

If communism has actually happened (world wide) then It can be assumed that most people support it.

>How do you get to 4

The funtion of the state becomes hazy as society as a whole carrys out more and more of its purpose. Eventually it becomes redundant and no longer needed since its main purpose was class dominance and now the proletariat is the only class. Its kind of hard to predict exactly what will happen because its supposed to happen a long time from now.
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>>137345048
Someone who must study basic economy.
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>>137344408
Look at your flag. Communism is a tool. You are tools. Useful idiots. Communism will never work because it's a lie they tell you from the start. True believers are dangerous destabilizing elements who question the ruling autjorities and are removed and placed in camps. You are a tool. Look at your flag.
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>>137344884
>it is real but it isn't real
>schrodinger's commie
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>>137333709
Hello gomrades! X_DDddDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of ebin revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/hiwherearethefood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
https://www.islamiggommunism.gom/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd
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>>137344886
>that pic
ur confusing market price, exchange value and labor value again.

>If there was a communist world government how would they solve the problem of economic calculation without any prices?

computers.
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communism was created by evil jews and its the ultimate way to destroy and rob an entire nation.
it does not work because it was never intended to work,its a scam and only naive wannabe che guevara teenagers fall for it
https://youtu.be/Yopqrazma4o
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>>137333709
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Hasn’t history proven that Marx’s vision of an egalitarian utopia is unattainable, inevitably creating an oligarchy more oppressive to the proletariat than the bourgeoisie it vilifies?
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>>137344886
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>>137342162
>Hitler ordered the allies to bomb the shit out of a united and prosperous Germany
this is what you just implied
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>>137333709

kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill
all leftists !!
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>>137333709
>SOMMCI??M

Why the fuck are US commies so fucking cringey they can't even write a single word right in Cyrillic?
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>>137345292
>If there was a communist world government how would they solve the problem of economic calculation without any prices?

Aliens
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>>137345819
Oh and Germany did nothing first huh
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>>137345709
Wow what a great meme. I never realized all three volumes of capital just said "I'M LAZY GIB MONEY!!! FUGG RICH BEOPLE! CRAPITALISM = EBIL!!!"
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gan gommunism gibe AIDS?
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>>137345292
>lets make up unnecessary terms to dilute the debate into a never ending semantic struggle

>>137345292
>computers will somehow take into account constantly changing individual preferences and needs
Might as well say magic.

>>137345501
These weren't real gommunists, unlike now when we have real honest gommies.
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>>137345990
Well
You now have
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>>137345099

>Because initially there will still be bourgoise resistance and possibly even classes. The class system is flipped before class disappears.
I follow, you are going to take power from the current bourgeois and then give it to the proletariat, initially things will be chaotic. Once we get beyond that chaos and the proletariat overlords are firmly in power, why do they give up the power? If they choose not to, how are they forced to? If you are positive they will relinquish it voluntarily, explain how you are so sure.

>Maybe.
Exactly.

>Most criminal violence is based on material conditions
very true. so what do you do about those with bourgeois ambitions? You know that the bourgeois didn't pop up over night, they came into existence because a class of people wanted it to happen. What do you do when those people agitate against the withering state? (especially when any show of force would inherently strengthen the state, while not showing force would allow the bourgeois to gain power)

>More efficient production and automation. Until scarcity is effectively gone for the most part.
Here's the thing about scarcity, it exists on 2 axes, not one. There is not 'at x amount of stuff scarcity is gone' because x actually must be expressed as a function of y, with y being the quantity of people that exist. To be less abstract, consider this: we currently could exist in a post scarcity society if world population dropped to 4 billion people. Considering this sliding scale of scarcity via quantity of humans, any discussion about post scarcity must necessarily included population control, yet I have never heard of population control in any communist writing.

>If communism has actually happened (world wide) then It can be assumed that most people support it.

of course, but how do you deal with the minority attacking the withering state. The minority is a powerful thing you must accept - as communist revolutions have all been minority based to date
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>>137346052
>individual preferences
Decadent pig
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It's not too late to switch sides brothers. Your communist angst is truly just a phase of disobedience. Never forget the love found within your own people runs eternal and this is true for any race. Come home white man.
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>>137345987
Under hitler germany conquered a damn good chunk of western europe and made their economy go wild while uniting the people, then the allies attacked. While this was a consequence of his actions, he did not ruin germany
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>>137346052
>>lets make up unnecessary terms to dilute the debate into a never ending semantic struggle
Please just read this: >>137335856
or please just chapter one of capital.
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>>137345990
You just literary used essentially the "muh Aliens" argument to explain how you plan to deal with the calculation problem.
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>>137346291
Misguided disobedience rather is probably the more correct term. You are revolting against the wrong people
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>>137344064

But they fundamentally root their issues in class and capitalism. They just see them as barriers to be destroyed directly before getting to the so-and-so real fight and classless utopia. Your variant simply seeks to step over them to the economic battle Marxists tried and failed to win.

But man is not simply an economic creature. There are greater things than class. The SJWs realize this, and try to fruitlessly to liberate people from their 'arbitrary distinctions' that are no more arbitrary than your Orthodox 'Arbitrary Distinctions'.
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>>137346249
>I follow, you are going to take power from the current bourgeois and then give it to the proletariat, initially things will be chaotic. Once we get beyond that chaos and the proletariat overlords are firmly in power, why do they give up the power? If they choose not to, how are they forced to? If you are positive they will relinquish it voluntarily, explain how you are so sure.

Because there will be no class but the proletariat. Its not like I designated 3 people "da proles" and put them in charge its basically everyone in society either via direct democracy or something similar.

>so what do you do about those with bourgeois ambitions?

I'm not sure what you mean.

>Here's the thing about scarcity, it exists on 2 axes...

We currently have more than enough food to feed everyone in the world. Its just not profitable to do so.
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>>137346371
Value as you use the term is some kind of magical property that things acquire because they were created by human hands, contrary to reality where value is based solely on the subjective value atributed to anything, you added more steps to the argument but it still the same bullshit.
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