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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
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When do you predict a revolution or transitional period?

How many dissenting citizens do you think you'll need to execute?
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>>137318669
>u should read Marks
>he tells the truth! the capitalist are just leeching of your labour
>yes he was unemployed and just leeched of his comrades inherited wealth
>just like me and my parents
>hey respond seriously
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Go away mentally ill spanish weeaboo tranny
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>>137318965
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>>137318669

Go fuck yourself. We'll hang you red scums.
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>>137319127
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>>137319127
>meanwhile at the lefty/pol/ discord
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>>137319276

c'mon cuckitalist.
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>>137318882
1) I don`t you can predict one but likeliest cause is war, considering that Russian,Chinese and German revolutions rose out of prolonged wars. and wider political unrest.

2)Transitional period considering the current state of technology would probably only take few decades.

3)Few, considering that re-education worked extremely well along other kinds of social conditioning in the cultural revolution and Vietnam.
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>>137318669
Communism never had a chance
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>>137319127
Nobody is forcing you to stay or participate.
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>>137319595
There is no free will if your corporal existence is dependent on material conditions that are tied to some kind of social contract.
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>>137319576
Communism will win.
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>>137318882
>How many dissenting citizens do you think you'll need to execute?
A lot.
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>>137318669
MARGZISM IS SCIENDIFIC :DDDD
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>>137320714

bourgeois detected
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Capitalism is exploitation
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>>137320714
Get out FBI.
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>>137320883
Gommunism is Jewish
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>137320930

gommunism is jewish

communism is atheistic
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>>137320714
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>>137318669
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>>137320930
No its not since it would destroy every religion on this planet.
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How does it feel to see the 'shining light' of communism leaning farther and farther to the right?
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TRU GOMBUNISMS HAS NEVER EVEN AS FAR AS TO TRIED!
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>>137319127
A semi-descent meme by the left. Now I've seen everything.
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Walk in front of traffic, faggots
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>>137321355
Germany?
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>>137321355

When we take the United States your people will see the shining light
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you start this everyday stop kiddo lmaoooo
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>>137321355
CPRF is better off today than it was in 1993 or 2007 elections. There is a steady growth and they are the second largest party. Once Putin and Mediavev get assassinated we will take over.
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>>137321732

you kill people in the streets kiddo

bloodthirsty cunts the bunch of you
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>>137320953
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDDD
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>>137321732
You gotta admire his enthusiasm. You'd think he eventually give up due to no recruits, but not our /pol/ commie, he makes a new thread every day or two
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>>137321944
my fucking sides bulgaria stop
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Just a reminder that the Libertarian Right is the only rational way forward.
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Isn't communism brutally utilitarian in its pursuit of efficient production?

I would enjoy eating some bread, some meat, potatoes and carrots

>IT IS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT TO PRODUCE RICE AND BEETS. FUCK YOU YOU WILL EAT RICE PORRIDGE AND BEETS

I would like a blue car to drive around

>FIRST OF ALL, GRAY PAINT IS CHEAPER TO PRODUCE THAN BLUE PAINT SO FUCK YOU HERE IS SOME GRAY PAINT. SECOND OF ALL CARS ARE BOURGEOIS AND INDIVIDUALISTIC. YOU MUST TAKE THE TRAIN. NOW GO PAINT THE TRAIN GRAY.

How does communism provide people with the things they want, along with the things they need for bare subsistence?

>IF YOU ARE NOT SLEEPING YOU SHOULD BE WORKING
>IF YOU ARE NOT WORKING YOU SHOULD BE SLEEPING
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>Marxism-Lenism

Scum! MLM is the only way
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>>137318669
Communism is dead. All we have is some Kurd spergs that will be crushed by ISIS.
>>137321778
>CPRF
>communist
Pssh, hey kid, want to get some red pills?
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>>137321975
And our numbers grow every day. Soon the memes of production will be completely under our control.
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>>137322295
GET OUT REVISIONIST
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>>137322124
Hey comrade, you got any music reccs to give? Communism always had decent music, you should utilize it to get new recruits
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>>137322400
There is still the Naxalite insurgency in India.
And insurgencies in Philippines,Columbia etc.
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>>137322511
Not sure if ironic, or actually a massive retard.
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>>137322511
soviet anthem is preddy dope, but im noda real gommie, there are no real gommies, real gommies have never been tried
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>>137322191
Lmao, you mean being a total capital cuck?
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hail stalin
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>>137322246
Actually no, commieblock had a unique sense of aesthetics. The old districts built in the 70s and 80s are quite nice and pleasant, lots of free spaces, lots of trees, playgrounds for kids, etc.
The new districts built by capitalists are horrible beyond belief.
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>>137322511
Most musicians are marxist anyway
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>>137322911
Stop listening to Jazz.
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>>137322400
Speaking of KPRF, they are basically a right-wing party. Pro protectionism, against mass migration, religious conservatives, hate gays. If they didn't worshipped Reagan instead of Stalin they would be indistinguishable from Republicans!
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>>137323049
>pro porotectionism
Sounds like socialism to me.
>against mass migration
Sounds like old soviet union to me.
>against gays
Sounds like Stalin to me.
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>>137320953
Only purpose of this thread. Everybody else please leave for /leftypol/.
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>>137322659
Have you actually listened to commie music? They had good composers, idk why would you trash something you haven't heard, but I guess I shouldn't expect much from a burger larper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c27rGTeRG9w
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>>137322781
>Living in concrete manufactured high-rise apartments is "aesthetic"

You didn't even address my questions
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>>137323252
/pol/ isn't your alt-right safespace
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regressive leftism is for useful idiots
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>>137322425
Yeah, and then you will have to buy grain from Canada like the USSR, cause state-owned farms to not work). Then your country will get into massive debt and will have to suck western dick for cash like Gorbachev in 1989. Then privatization.
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The Realest Dudes, Japan's most communist band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog1U_Kemlk
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>>137323398
lol, wait, you didn't just use "alt-right" unironically, did you?
HAHAHAHAHA wait *inhales* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>137318669
OP what do you think of State and Revolution?
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>>137318669
Social-capitalists like you make me puke.
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>>137323241
The Soviet Union was not that bad on a cultural level, but the economic system was fucked up which is why it's elites sold their country for coca cola and snickers.
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>>137323049
It's a proxy for the United Russia party. To get the support of those nostalgic of the Soviet times. They then just vote however Putin tells them to. And they aren't anti-immigration, that's absolutely haram.
>>137323345
Capitalism doesn't even provide you with transport and parks. This is what bare subsistence looks like. And this is not the worst case by far. Plus you have to wageslave your entire life to be able to afford a flat in that human hive.
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>>137323770

Absolute must read. Is the first thing I recommend to read after the manifesto along with critique of the Gotha Project
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>>137319283
epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i borrow it epik meme dude mind if i bor
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>>137322246
G-g-g-g-guys there's lots of space

>families cramped in apartments
>""""LOTS OF SPACE""""
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>>137323833
The economic level was good under Stalin (apart from collectivisation policy which caused "muh 10 gorrillion") but sucked in terms of making household goods such as toilet paper
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Hi comrades? What are your favourite albums? Any GYBE fans?
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>>137322737
> new soviet man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk4PedGOn28
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>>137323990
>Capitalism doesn't even provide you with transport and parks.
And yet, miraculously, almost everybody has a car
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>>137323833
Yeah they could have succeeded but the party always had terrible leadership
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>>137324131
Should I also read LVT? Also is Kropotkin any good?
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>>137324144
At least we don't have to drive to the mall for two hours.
>>137324153
What the fuck are you on? The best times were under Brezhnev.
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>>137324304
>Yeah they could have succeeded but the party always had terrible leadership

but the terrible leadership was democratically elected!

It's almost like democracy is a shit idea because people always vote for the biggest populist.
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>>137324318
Kropotkin talks about outdated stuff sometimes but it's quite a good introduction, never read Malatesta but im curious
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>>137321069
>"BASED BLACK COCK XDDDDDD"
communist everyone
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>>137324513
How do Russians feel about Khruschev
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>>137322511
Look up, "the east is red" or GETchan on youtube
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>>137318669
Communism is Jewish.

The only good commie is a dead commie.
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>>137324565
stop idpolling
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>>137323674
japs hate commies sweetie
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>>137324637
>How do Russians feel about Khruschev
How do commies feel about the fact that communism is Jewish?
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>>137318669
gomunsim:DDD
-with us you will only starve once

>ebin
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>>137318669
OUT OF THE WAY YOU PINKO DOGS
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>>137324565
So your first thought whenever seeing any kind of black male is their genitalia?
Intriguing.
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>>137318669
What is wrong with the LTV.

Non arguments:

>If I dig a hole in my backyard and then fill it in I used labor but made no value! Commies BTFO!

Marx clarified (unlike adam smith) that only socially nessary labor (labor used to produce a commodity with use value) creates value. This is also the case if you spend 1000 years making a bed.

>Nature can create value as well. If an apple falls from a tree then value is created without labor

Marx also noted nature could create value.

>if labor determines price why is coca cola cheaper than bottled water?

Labor doesn't determine price. It determines value (not exchange value or use value) and correlates with the equilibrium price. Supply and demand determine price.

Machines cannot create value. If I make a machine that makes diamonds out of thin air then the value of a diamond falls below that of bricks now that they can be aquired with no work what so ever. Price might not fall because you can still manipulate supply and demand but value certainly does.

Some definitions.

Use value = How useful an object is.
Exchange value = Market value of a commidity. Different from use value. You can sell a beanie baby for 200$ but it is almost completely useless.
Value = the amount of congealed labor withing a commodity.


Some evidence of the LTV
http://users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf
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What are you, a libtard?
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>>137324851
Less jewish than Hitler.
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>>137324822
Japan isn't a single person
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>>137323990
I think even Zyuganov recently talked about how illegal immigration harms workers and that the country needs to do more to secure borders. Of course he is a typical "soviet multiculturalist" because "all soviet nations defeated fascism", but I would not call the guy or the party pro-immigration.

On the modern housing blocks (monotonous american style neighborhoods) I've seen less ugly examples in new neighborhoods in StPetersburg. In different parts of the country they employ different contractors, some of which are retarded and build that type of shitty copy-paste housing.
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>>137318965
He was a writer and a journalist. Both of those are important jobs.
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>>137325030
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>>137324822
And that's why they work most of the day, have shit lives and can't even into real women
>>137324851
i dont give a shit
>>137324943
hate libruls and le rational centrist
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>>137324895
How insensitive. Grow up
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>>137324904
Communism doesn't work when you add niggers into the equation.
or food.
or transport.
or housing.
or utilities.
or fuel.

wait...
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>>137318882
>When do you predict a revolution or transitional period?
Thats like asking an person living in rome when they think rome will fall.
>How many dissenting citizens do you think you'll need to execute?
Who knows?
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>>137325258
I was asking about the labor theory of value.
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>>137325030
>Less jewish than Hitler.
Which is odd consider the fact that Hitler was had literally zero Jewish ancestry and Marx, Lenin Trotsky and most of the first soviet government was Jewish.

>>137325149
>i dont give a shit
That's because you judeo communists are anti-White supporters of White genocide.

Hence why you should be put up against a wall and made good.
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>>137318882
>dissenting
Marxists are the attack dogs of the bourgeois.
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>>137318669
>Right wing death squads? HAHAHAHAHA
remind me who died again? HAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU COMMUNIST NIGGER YOUR FUCKING COMRADES GOT PUT IN THE HOSPITAL. ONE OF YOUR COMRADES IS IN A MORGUE RIGHT NOW AS I TYPE THIS. WHO IS FUCKING GETTING KILLED AGAIN? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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>>137321355
I'd hardly call Russia the "shining light". I hold no particular love for it since the rightist coup led by Yeltsin and his cohorts. Anyway, Stalin was recently named most outstanding Russian ever and a lot of Russians still miss the USSR.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/06/26/for-russians-stalin-is-the-most-outstanding-figure-in-world-history-putin-is-next/
https://www.rt.com/politics/340158-most-russians-regret-ussr-has/
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>>137324851
Idk, how does it feel that your Führer cucked out to Schlomo?
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>>137324304
I don't think there was any way to feed the country without having private ownership of land. No country in the world ever manage to do something like that. And if a country can't feed itself - game over -> buy grain from canada -> suck dick for credits -> collapse -> privatization.

What the Soviet Union could and should have done was go into the chinese direction of state-sponsored capitalism while keeping authoritarian power structure.
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>>137325133
"Bolsheviks, including Jewish Bolsheviks, were hostile to Judaism. From December 1918 to August 1919, the teaching of Hebrew was banned, religious instruction in Judaism was forbidden, the Kehillot (an umbrella organization of Jewish communists) was suppressed and the leaders of those organizations were rounded up and imprisoned.

In the next decade, anti-Semitism began to appear in Communist Party propaganda, with references by the Vozd against "Talmudists." During this period trials against Jews that would "put the trials of Dreyfus and Beilis in the shade."

Even in the early years of Hitler, when Nazism was supposedly the mortal enemy of Bolshevism, the Bolsheviks agreed with the Nazis that Jews were exploiters of the working class in Germany. As Walter Laqueur writes in his 1959 book, The Soviet Union and the Middle East:

"With the stimulus to Zionism given by the rise of Hitler, the Soviet and Comintern organs intensified their attacks on Zionism. Hitler's anti-Semitism was regarded skeptically; commenting on the April, 1933, boycott in Germany, it was said ‘In a few days you will find that all the big Jewish stores still exist, that Jewish bankers, capitalists and stock jobbers are still carrying on their businesses, and that no Jewish industrialist has suffered any damage.'"

So, while the Christian democracies were deploring Kristallnacht and despicable acts of the Nazis toward the Jews, the Bolsheviks (supposedly controlled by the Jews) pretended that the Nazis and Jews were actually in league -- it is hard to imagine clearer evidence that those Jews who had died with the Bolsheviks (and so repudiated Judaism) were pawns of the Bolsheviks, not the controllers of Bolshevism."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/12/wrongfully_accused_jews_and_bo.html#ixzz3CjVxnvSd
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>>137325133
>In the whole of the Communist Party in 1922, the Baltic people were more disproportionately represented than the Jews. This was the national composition of the CPSU in 1922:

72% Russian (53% of population)
6% Ukrainian (21% of population)
5.2% Jewish (1.8% of population)
4.6% Polish, Latvian, other Baltic (0.7% of population)
3.4% Transcaucasian (2.5% of population)
2.5% Central Asian (7% of population)
2% RSFSR minorities (4.3% of population)
3% others (6.4% of population)

Source: T.H Rigby, "Communist Party Membership in the USSR, 1917-1967"

Out of the 15 members of the Council of People's Commissars on 7 November 1917, the only Jew was Trotsky. Except for the Ukrainian Lunacharsky and the Pole Teodorvitch, everyone else was Russian

In the Civil War, 22,000 ex-Tsarist officers served with the Red Army in 1918 and a total 48,000 in the entire Civil War. This element was crucial in preserving the Bolshevik Revolution. Needless to say, there was not a Jewish element amongst ex-Tsarist officers. Neither was there a Jewish element amongst the primary commanders of the Red Army. The aforementioned Latvian Riflemen leader Joachim Vatsetis became commander-in-chief of the entire Red Army from September 1918 to July 1919. He was replaced by Sergei Kamenev who was of course a Russian. Other important leaders of the Red Army were Vladimir Antonov-Ovseyenko, Mikhail Tukhachevsky, Mikhail Frunze (Romanian), Klement Voroshilov, Vasili Bliukher, and Semyon Budyonni (Cossack).

Thus, it has been proven that there was a limited Jewish presence amongst the Bolsheviks whether in the state, party, or military.
Cameron, Kenneth Neill. Stalin, Man of Contradiction. Toronto: NC Press, c1987, p. 75
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>>137325395
your value is getting me a nice cup of coffee wagecuck
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>>137325258
what is the state
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>>137325465
Im agnostic buddy, but if you think all commies are jews then it's fine, do you have a steam account?
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>>137324904

thanks comrade excellent summary
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>>137325499
Learn to think outside of in-groups. This isn't grade 3
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>>137324204
And lives like an ant in one of these monstrosities. Or, in your case, in the suburban sprawl.
>>137324637
Most Russians don't care about politics much. The nostalgic types typically reminisce of their childhood in the 60s-70s-early 80s, so they are too young to remember personally. Stalinists don't like him obviously. And honestly, he was pretty retarded, starting the cold war, that obsession with corn and other stupid agricultural reforms.
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>>137325465
First soviet government had only one jew in it(the peoples commissars council) Trotsky.
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>>137325258
Really shows the contrast in IQ between leftists and fashies. He's making serious arguments, you're going on a snownigger rant
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These pathetic attempts to convince people of your materialistic utopia give me hope and strength.
Capitalist and communism will be defeated, continue destabilizing shit. Force potential men into the corner so they can form into what they ought to be and lash out and let your blood flow through the streets you plutocratic dogs.
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>>137325688
Ur welcome. Owo
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>>137324904
Good shit senpai thanks for explaining it simply and nicely
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>>137324904
If all means of production are owned by the people, then how do you determine what to produce, how much to produce, and when and how to develop new things?

Do you literally call a vote every time anybody wants to do anything in order to prove there is demand for it?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0wHzx2ymFk
Reminder.
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>>137325795
>I hate Jews!
>There was only one Jew in the first Soviet government!
Funny how your personal beliefs are based upon lies.
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>>137325526
>Idk, how does it feel that your Führer cucked out to Schlomo?
Why would I believe an unsourced image from an anti-White judeo communist talking about the person she hates most in the world?

>>137325661
>Im agnostic buddy, but if you think all commies are jews then it's fine, do you have a steam account?
Jews are a race you fucking retard. And Communism is inherently Jewish in its beliefs. Thus it's also inherently anti-white

>>137325795
>First soviet government had only one jew in it(the peoples commissars council) Trotsky.
Well, like all commies you're not dealing in facts.

Putin: First Soviet Government was Mostly Jewish
http://jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Putin-First-Soviet-government-was-mostly-Jewish-317150
http://archive.is/uNDV5
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>>137325808
Barely any one makes valid criticisms in this thread.
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NIGGERS KIKES JEWS THATS WHAT SOCIALISM COMMUNISM AND MARXISM ARE ALL ABOUT
You want a society where the FREE WHITE MALE is no longer prevalent, in your utopia WHITE FEMALES are sex slaves for minorities to oppress and RAPE.
COMMUNISM IS SLAVERY, NOT FREEDOM, ORWELL PREDICTED THIS AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED
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Hello cucks. This general is for the discussion of Cuckoldry, the ideology of revolutionary open relationships and sexual desire.

Cuckoldry is the next stage of relationship following the monogamy.

What exactly is cuckoldry according to cucks:

>Cuckoldry is a stage of relationship in which the reproductive means of the wife are bull-owned, and husband gets to bed not in order to have sex with her but to prep the bull.
>Cuckoldry in it's full form is a pleasurably degrading, bull-worshipping relationship that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a relationship cuckoldry teaches us that we must replace the standrad marrige, which is controlled by the husband and a wife, by a cucked relationship, which is controlled by the bull. Then, a period of prepping follows in which the bull is pleasured by the cuck. When the bull class has been prepped, there will be time for wife to get mounted by the bull, and eventually the functions of the husband will become indistinguishable from the functions of a porn shot fluffer, and his genitalia will 'wither away' as Marx said.

I don't have any websites but i'm pretty sure OP can help me with that.
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>>137326254
>quoting socialist
pottery
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>>137326254
>Daa juuuuss

grow up
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>>137324637

good question. a shit leader as mostly the case with russia, but he is always respected for rolling back stalinism and tolerating 60s counterculture as long as they did not get political.
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>>137326274
Then why did Stalin and Mao kill over 100 million people during their regimes?
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yo KANGZ an KWEENZ. Dis general iz for da takin of da past of BLACK MELANOID MAN

Back in da day WE WUZ KANGZ we travel da stars and oda planetz in our space MELANOID ships an shiet.

Woke thingz u need to now to be WOKE

>Dr. Seuss, dat cracka with da rhymes iz da prophet of Satan
>Honkeys wuz made by black science manz as soldiers for fightin our wars for us. But dey rebeled. But ANCIENT BLACK MELANID MAN was wise an shiet and gave honkeys tiny dicks so honkey bitches will allways prefere a nigga.
>Rapture will be raptors (like dem dinosaurs) fallin from da sky and eating honkeys.
>Star Wars an Predator? Tottaly happened. Stay Woke.
>Da Earth is eampty inside an shiet.
>Aborted babies don't be dyin. They are flushed down da toilet an live in da sewers.
>Honkeys drink ya blood.

Resources a nigga need:

http://msta1913.org/
https://utravioletholocaust.wordpress.com/
http://www.moorishsociety.org/
http://www.kfc.com
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>>137326076
Reason why Brits and French did not go to war with Soviets had to do with geopolitics and not putting Soviet resources into German supply chain. They did plan to bomb Caucasus oil fields in 1940`s along intervening in the finnish winter war on against the soviets.


Read some real history and stop watching revisionist propaganda.
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>>137326254

Here comes the jew schizophrenia
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>>137326414
Jews have never done anything wrong oy vey!

>>137325661
>'Jew' is a religion and not a general culture
Religious Judaism died when the Elders wrote the Zohar and the Talmud. It became blood to modern Jews from then on.
Though there still exist few Torahic religious Jews. Very few though.

>>137326373
>PEOPLES' OPINIONS ARE BLACK AND WHITE
Grow up.
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hElLO c0mRaDeS!!!~~ tHiS g3nErAl iS 4 tHe DiScU55 of MaRxIsM-lEnInIsM, ThE iDeOl0gY oFFFFF ReVoLuTioNaRy SoCiAlIsM aNd CoMuNiSm~~~ (LoVe!!!!)

C0MMUNI5M~~~ iS THE NEXT BIG THING iN lIkE 4eVa!~~~~
WhAt eXcLy i5 CoMuNiSm:

>CoMuNiSm HoPiN h3 wILL n0tIcE u~~~
>CoMuNiSm iS bEiN iNsEpArAtAbLe FrOm u FRIENDS!!!~~~~~
>To MaKe CoMuNiSm U nEeD 2 sEiZe MeMes (LOL SO RANDOM XDDDDD) oF pRoDuCtIoN fRoM tOsE FAKE BOURGEIZE SLUTS (i hate them so much! )
https://www.livejournal.com/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.livejournal.com/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
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>>137326599
There was something very wrong with their administrations but that has nothing fundamentally to do with Marxism.
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>>137326414
>following a Jewish ideology that has killed hundreds of millions of people

you grow up cuck!
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Hi everyone, best socialist leader here
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>>137326466
That top picture is not Clement Meric. It's ADF
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>>137326780
Sounds like a superior group of people to me
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>>137320953
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>>137325103
Regardless, they are Putin's lapdogs and do as they are told. And putinists believe we are in a desperate need of enrichment, so the streams of Central Asians continues. Plus, migration is hardly the biggest threat, indigenous Muslims of the Caucasian region are far more dangerous, and they get better treatment than Somalis get in Sweden.
CPRF likes to talk about communist stuff, but they never do anything, it's 100% controlled opposition.
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>>137326779
>Oh no pressure let me disown the bad apples
Pussy.

>>137326859
Barbarian.
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>>137326013
Unknown. I'm not a utopian. predicting what communism will be like is like trying to predict evoultion. You can get a general idea of what is going to happen but you can't know exactly. I have a few ideas though. Cockshots idea with computers and esistimation of needs sounds good but I really I'm not sure how it will work.

>>137326790
>capitalist with a read flag who didn't abolish production of commodities for exchange

no.
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Based tankies
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>>137326780
He looks like a nice guy, also the girl on the background looks qt. nice picture all around
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>>137326414
>be a marxist
>defend jews
You guys are cucked beyond belief. If marx was alive he would spit on you.
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>>137326933
So you are saying if even a single follower of an ideology turns out to be bad the entire ideology is flawed? There can be no good belief in that case
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>>137325661
>do you have a steam account?
Do you use Discord?

>>137327033
Nice guys don't fight revolutions.
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>>137326668
>he thinks quoting one opinion be a thinker reinforces his position
>instead of revealing it for the motivated bullshit that it is
Bakunin was an anarchist socialist, and would hang the Nazis that keep quoting him by their entrails.
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>>137326900
So the CPRF is the Die Linke of russia?
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>>137327123
I don't care about his personal beliefs, just his philosophy
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>>137326013

ministry of central planning does a statistical analysis of all supply/demand needs and crafts a 5 year state economic plan that is then communicated to individual ministries/industrial sectors. same thing is done in the US, but here several so-called private megacorporations use US budget or budget forecast for planning.
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>>137326254
>90% of the peoples commissars council were jewish

>Out of the 15 members of the Council of People's Commissars on 7 November 1917, the only Jew was Trotsky. Except for the Ukrainian Lunacharsky and the Pole Teodorvitch, everyone else was Russian
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>>137326859
so you're a racial supremacist then? top kek you are a million times worse than the Nazis that you hate
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ft9iuZu0AI
Based class-war and death of cattle russians
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>>137327226
All parties are proxies for Putin in Russia. The ones that aren't get less than 1% of the votes.
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>>137327388
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of nazis
>the juus are inferior even though they are the ones ruling the world and pulling strings!
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>>137327192
Stop superimposing your barbaric vision of Bakunin onto him.
Also
>he wuld h8 nahzees
Yes because he wouldn't have a blast discussing philosophy and politics with similar minded or even opposite minded people.
Fuck off.

Hell he'd probably gut YOU for being such a coward.
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>>137324526
Communists think of democracy as a mechanism. It is to be used when it makes the best decision.
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Stirnerfags where
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Any good socialist movies?
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>>137318669
eat shit commie faggots
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>>137327537
all you do is straw man arguments

go get me another mc chicken sandwich wagecuck
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>>137327686
Rosa deserved it.
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>>137327405
How bad is the economy over there? How much of an impact are the sanctions having?
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>>137327686
Stirner is alright but individualism always looses out to collectivism
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>>137327537
If the bourgeoisie are owning the means of production doesn't that mean they are better at handling them than proletariat is?
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>>137327320
>ministry of central planning does a statistical analysis of all supply/demand needs and crafts a 5 year state economic plan

That's good and well for existing goods, but how does that account for improvement of goods that already exist, or research and development of brand new goods?

>In charge of communist soda company.
>Make commie cola flavor
>How do we decide whether or not to tweak the recipe to make it taste slightly better or worse?
>Somebody proposes we branch our and make a lemon-lime flavor. How do we know if this is worth the labor investment?
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>>137327839
as do you
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>>137324904
Can someone respond to me with a real argument? Maybe that guy that kept bringing up the economic calculation problem?
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>>137327877
In some cases yes. They should be paid accordingly to the work they do and should have no problem making their riches.
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>>137327936
i'm not because you are actually a communist faggot
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>>137326727
underrated
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>>137318669
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>>137328070
great argument.
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>>137327033
>be on /pol/
>tell people to go back to /pol/
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>>137327550
No, he'd gut for being a statist.

>A Boss in Heaven is the best excuse for a boss on earth, therefore If God did exist, he would have to be abolished.

>Powerful states can maintain themselves only by crime, little states are virtuous only by weakness.

>If there is a State, then there is domination, and in turn, there is slavery.

>We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.
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>>137327849
No, she didn't
>>137327864
Did Stirner propose collective solidarity along with individual radicality? Or am i just wrong?
>>137327877
The proletarian haven't really owned the means of production
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How does it feel to know that most communists are beta cucks who are led by some dyke feminists? You fags jumped off capitalist dick and straight into being led by women. Pussies.
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>>137326373
>>quoting socialist
A socialist who admits communism is jewish.

Churchill knew so too.

>>137326414
>It's not the Jews! Communist is great, goyim!
You grow up you anti-White faggot. Or die. Preferably the latter.

Communism's Death Toll, and the Jewish Role in Bolshevism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=km6u4L1JsmY

>>137326647
>There's literally nothing wrong with the Jews
>oy vey! Why are you trying to link Communism and the Jews? What are you, an anti-semite or something?

Anti-Semitism
https://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
http://archive.is/XxRXf
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

>>137327331
>no source
lol

Meanwhile...

List of Communist Jews
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_Jews
http://archive.is/L080c
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>>137319127
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>>137328200
get out of your mum's basement
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>>137328216
>Bakunin gutting statists
That confirms how he'd gut you first.
Calling it an organization doesn't make it a non-state faggot.
Especially if you gulag people. Straight up slave driving.
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>>137328239
If the individual respected something they seen in the collective I think thats fine.
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>>137328241
Do you hate your mom or did you get rejected in prom night? Girls are nice people, sometimes more than men are!
>>137328070
KEK
>>137328184
that didn't happen because of socialism just because of shit management of the facility
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>>137328379
How is that a critic of marxism?
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>>137327877
iirc there is some correlation between wealth and iq but dats raycis.
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So what happens when Venezuela collapses and North Korea gets defeated? How many communist countries will be left?
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>>137328103
Hey your an anarcho-capitalist. Surely you understand BASIC ECONOMICS enough to debunk this?
>>137324904
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>>137328514
>shit management of the facility
Shit infrastructure badly run by a shit form of governing badly run.
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>>137328514
>that didn't happen because of socialism just because of shit management of the facility
Which was shitty because of communism.
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>>137328661
Neither of those countries are communist, though.
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>>137328661
Norkies aren't even socialist. They are more like absolute monarchy with red flags.
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>>137328772
*insert le not real communism may may*
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>>137328661
The goal is Europe and North America.
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>>137328742
Where is the source for this quote?
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>>137328514
Girls are nice they're not leaders though. They belong in the home not in the workplace or on the battlefield. Women wear the pants in your cucked movement.
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Why should I follow an ideology that has thus far proven far too weak to stand up to capitalism?
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>>137328878
You don't even know what communism is.
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>>137328004
Schumpeter explains the errors in the LTV pretty well in the "Marx the Economist" chapter of "Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy". Check it out.
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>>137328250
read>>137325624

Additionally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_People%27s_Commissars
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>>137328878
>I'm a communist and I beleive in this
>NO YOU BELEIVE IN THIS!!
>but..
>STOP LOGICAL FALLACY!!!
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>>137328878
Ebin.
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>>137328948
Because its inevitable. People will realize capital is not something to be exploited.
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>>137328004
Communism fails every time. There's no need for an argument. History speaks for itself.
>MUH NOT REAL COMMUNISM
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>>137328661
Venezuela is a reformist social democratic country nigga
North Korea is juche or something, fuck knows what Kim Jong Un is doing
>>137328736
Well the soviet union was shit during that decade
>>137328878
Nigga it's true tho, the eastern bloc WAS socialist but those 2 are not, Cuba is socialist though
>>137328920
Women are people and everyone deserves the same shit
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>>137328881
>>137328772
>be a commie
>don't know that COMMUNIST CAN'T EXIST IN ONE COUNTRY BUT ON GLOBAL SCALE
Do you faggots even read your books? First you turn whole world socialist, THEN you achive communism. For fucks sake, i bet you faggots don't even read marx.
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>>137329061
Communism was never reached. If you consider the actual definition that hasn't been changed you would realize that.
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>>137329051
>Because its inevitable
There is absolutely nothing to back this up, in fact all proof suggests that capitalism is inevitable.
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>>137329061
I'm not talking about communism. I'm talking about a critique of capitalism that everyone on /pol/ claims in utter nonsense. I asked for an argument and no one has responded.
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>>137329086
>MUH NOT REAL COMMUNISM
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>>137329194
Which is why I said Europe and North America. Its turning socialist
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>>137328881

The Great Depression, Cultural Revolution, and 2008 Recession couldn't even turn America. If anything it made the country even more capitalistic than ever before, considering they elected a billionaire business owner.
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>>137329086
>Cuba is socialist though
Not anymore, they recently put in some economic reforms after we opened up trade and Fidel Castro died.
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>>137329241
Google the falling rate of profit.
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>>137329086
Why does everyone deserve the same shit when we're not all equal?
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>>137329332
So long as the class gap exists people will stand up for it
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>>137320069
Goyim exist only to serve Jews as slaves. Goyim were only born to serve us. Without that they have no place in the world. Only to serve the people of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They are only here to work. They will work, they will plow. They will reap. We will sit like effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.
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>>137328885
>Where is the source for this quote?
Aaron Simanovich, "Memoirs", Paris, 1922, Molodaya Gvardiya, Moscow, No. 6, 1991, p. 55.
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>>137329252
>>137329198
>HURRRR MUH NOT REAL COMMUNISM!!!!!
If this is true, it's not capable of being reached in a thousand lifetimes. Because it cant even make last for a century before it crumbles in it's "infant" stages.

Plus it's Jewish.
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>>137329241
Declining rate of profit suggests otherwise.
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>>137329086
>Well the soviet union was shit during that decade
>shit during that decade
>decade
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>>137329490
Thats fine under communism. You only make as much as your skill allows you. You skilled worker will naturally make money.
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>>137329260
Do they still use money?
Check
Do they still have government/state apparatus
Check
Do the workers own means of production
No.

Therefor it is not communism. There is a definition and standard to communism so no true Scotsman fallacy does not apply.
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>>137329549
The Jewish Banking Mafia:

Jew - Rothschild Banks of London
Jew - Rothschild Banks of Berlin
Jew - Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
Jew - Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Jew - Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany
Jew - Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Jew - Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Jew - Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Jew - Goldman Sachs (Obamas biggest corporate donor in 2008/2012) CEO Lloyd Blankfein
Jew - The Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yelen (before, Ben Shalom Bernanke and Alan Greenspan) including top shareholders Goldman Sachs (Jewish), J.P. Morgan Chase (Jewish) and the Rothschilds banking cartel (Jewish)
Jew - Citigroup Chairman Stanford Weil and Co Chief Executive Robert Diamond
Jew - Wells Fargo Chairman John Stumpf
Jew - Bank of America Chief Executive Charles Noski
Jew - Barclays Chief Executive Robert Diamond
Jew - J.P. Morgan Chase Chairman and Chief Executive Jamie Diamond
Jew - Morgan Stanley President and Chief Executive James Gorman
Jew - USB AG Chief Executive Oswal Gurbel
Jew - CFTC Chariman Gary G. Gensler
Jew - SEC Chariwoman Mary Schapiro
Jew - NFA President Daniel Roth
Jew - FINRA Chairman Richard Ketchum
Jew - NYSE Euronext President Duncan Niederauer
Jew - NASDAQ OMZ Group Chief Executive Robert Greifield
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>>137328995
Sources on Jews and Communism
https://archive.org/details/SourcesOnJewsAndCommunism_700

Soviet People By Ethnic or National Origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Soviet_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin

Soviets Evacuating Jews
http://archive.is/0rw2L

Soviets Razed Churches, Spared Synagogues
http://henrymakow.com/001913.html
http://archive.is/hcyTf

Stalin's Jews
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
http://archive.is/WAARm

Stalin's Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR
https://darkmoon.me/2015/stalins-willing-executioners-jews-hostile-elite-ussr/
http://archive.is/NaSDY
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>>137329086
>Cuba is socialist though
is this why castro was richer than most monarchs?
Is this why people run away from Cuba on rafts to the horribly exploitative US?
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>>137329531
It would help if you actually knew the definition of communism. Go ahead and cite what you think it is and I will explain to you how it was not reached.
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>>137319311
lmao this is fucking good
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Disgusting and subhuman communists, maybe try getting a job outside of burger king and you will see just how wonderful the free market is.
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I can't wait until we start shooting you red animals in the streets.
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>>137329523
In socialist society they would be integrated into the general population they would lose their special status along their Jewish identity. There would be nothing remaining to their former Jewish traditions as they would be abolished.
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>>137318669
before that fact that you are commies, larping and calling eachother comrade is fucking grade A cringe. Burn all commies please
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>>137329490
We don't. Socialism isn't trully equal or just. That's just a step to true equality, where each individual will get everything they need. This kind of complete equality will come with communism.
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JEWISH COMMUNISM
======================================
Communism and the Jews
http://volokh.com/2011/10/29/communism-and-the-jews/
Communism was Jewish - Communism is Jewish
http://www.controversyofzion.info/communism_was_jewish.htm
Communism's Death Toll, and the Jewish Role in Bolshevism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km6u4L1JsmY
A Jew in Mao's China
http://blogs.forward.com/the-arty-semite/159051/a-jew-in-maos-china/
Jews and Marxism - Socialism - Communism
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt11.html
The Jewish Bolshevik Commies
http://trutube.tv/video/1013/The-Jewish-Bolshevik-Commies
The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine
http://books.google.com/books?id=9QNuiuhPzzIC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false
Jewish Communists
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-communists.html
Jewish Founders of International Communism for the One World Order
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-communists-founders.html
Jewish Pre-Eminence in the Political Left/Communism
http://www.holywar.org/jewishtr/commun.htm
The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
Jewish Activists Created Communism
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/jewishactivistscommunism.html
Jews and Bolshevism
http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html
Jews and Communism
http://iamthewitness.com/doc/Jews.and.Communism.htm
Jewish Bolsheviks
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cf7_1256305898
Jewish Bolshevism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
Jewish Faces in Chinese Government
http://jewishfaces.com/china.html
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>>137318669
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You know why the "not true socialism" excuse doesn't hold up and people still continue to bring these failed countries as example?
Because you can't come up with a solution to the problem that every single time people get in power promissing "socialism" they end up plunging their countries into economic recessions and sometimes violent dictatorships, so yeah, they weren't really socialists hinsight is 20/20 after all, but your political organisations have the annoying habit of atracting the worst type of rulers to their ranks, pray tell me how do you propose to avoid this?
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>>137329531
Read my post again.
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>>137329194
Trotskyist detected
>>137329260
I already stated that Venezuela and N.Korea are not socialist, also communism is stateless and classless, the only time it was achieved was during primitive times
>>137329332
The left lacks organization on the west
>>137329350
Oh yeah i heard Raul was allowing for petite burgouise
>>137329490
Well then lets try to make everyone equal
>>137329718
People that left on rafts are descendants of the cuban bourgouise that lived under Bautista's regime
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>>137329803
Are you telling me that the burger king workers do not work for the private sector?
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NAME ETHNICITY
Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Lourie (Larine) Jew
Ouritski Jew
Volodarski Jew
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew
Smidovitch Jew
Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew
Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
Ulyanov (Lenin) Half-Jew
Krylenko Russian
Lounatcharski Russian

The Council of the People’s Commissars:

MINISTRY NAME ETHNICITY
President Ulyanov (Lenin) Half-Jew
Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew
Food Schlichter Jew
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
State Control Lander Jew
State Lands Kauffman Jew
Works V. Schmidt Jew
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Religions Spitzberg Jew
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Hygiene Anvelt Jew
Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew
Press Volodarski Jew
Elections Ouritski Jew
Justice I. Steinberg Jew
Refugees Fenigstein Jew
Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew
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>>137329732
Well, it's your fault for calling yourself "communists" when in fact what you are trying to achieve is socialism before creating global, stateless communist utopia.
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Hmm
You know what I just realized?
Why am I picking fun at and arguing Marxists instead of bringing you to the good guys' side?

Fuck it.
I'll leave these two PDFs here and hope you fags read them, maybe you'll start a sojourn to enlightenment.

True socialism:
http://www.nationalists.org/pdf/hitler/mein-kampf-stalag.pdf

Fascism disambiguation (everything you believe fascism is is wrong) (EVERYTHING):
https://katana17.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/a-squire_s-trial.pdf

Take the step from anti-capitalist to anti-materialist-in-general. And daily reminder Marx would have been a fascist if he had been born later.
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BASS BASS

HARD BASS

BASS

BASS


H A R D B A S S
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>>137330079
Do you consider the class gap in the first world a success?
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>>137330079
Mao and Lenin were not murderers nigga
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>>137330240
The point is we believe in Communism as the end game.
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>>137330244
Can't convert right wingers into leftists or vice-versa, im just here for the shitposts
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>>137330403
But then don't be suprised when people call the mess you created "communism".
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>>137330486
Based National Bolshevism!
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“The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy, and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this new world order the Children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition.

The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property, and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.”

(Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, [reprinted in the] La Revue de Paris [French magazine], p. 54, June 1, 1928)
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>>137330403
>Communism is an end
Yes the revolution has an end..
(Protip: It never ends)
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>>137330519
Oh that's a cult of personality, very terrible, it is true that revolutionaries try to become the ruling class after the revolution, we have to look into that and avoid such things
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>>137330519
I'm fine with that, I just don't think that is reason enough to give up and submit to capitalism.
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“ Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.
This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail .... ” - Mikhail Bakunin
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>>137326780
WHAT THE FUCK
this is london right? or somewhere in uk

i think i actually know this guy irl
don't want to dox just in case

this guys life is literally off the rails
he was born into a Mormon family, something like 15/16 siblings
does so much drugs its unreal
NEET of course, doesn't really go outside
last saw him at a party about a year ago telling me about his experiences on heroin and how he does it every now and then

i mean he was a nice guy but he was completely brainless
spoke really slowly like "yeeeeeaaaaeaeaeaeaaaeeeaaaahhh maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn"
and there was no way he would ever be able to work
no wonder he's into communism
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>>137330422
>Left wing to right wing
Lol you're foolish to believe what I believe in is on that arbitrary scale.
Read the pdfs I gave you and stop having a stoic mind.
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>>137330280
That doesn't sound like an aswer to my question.

Anyway just ask a victim of these socialists experiments if he would prefer to be poor in the US or stay where he is.
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>>137330127
>the only time it was achieved was during primitive times
When why can't commies just buy a piece of land somewhere (there are quite a few rich communist sympathisers out there ready to give you cash) and start a communist-primitivist commune away from the horrible, civilised world? You could both be happy in your perfect society AND prove us wrong! Win-win!
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>>137330764
wtf i hate bakhunin now
Kropotkin and Malatesta are more based anyway, thanks for the info if it's real friend
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“The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a NEW ORDER IN THE WORLD. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, became a reality all over the world.” ~ The American Hebrew Sept. 10, 1920.

https://ia801703.us.archive.org/13/items/RussiaNo.11919--ACollectionOfReportsOnBolshevismInRussia1.ed./Russia_No.1_1919--A_Report_On_Bolshevism_In_Russia.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP18DvPFn9w

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish (Israeli Ynet News)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Vladimir Putin said: "80 to 85% Jews in 1st Soviet Government." (When they set up the first commie government, out of the 545 commissars, 477 were Jews and most of the others were married to Jews.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM

“Some call it Communism, I call it JUDAISM.” ~ Rabbi S. Wise, The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935. (Judaism is nothing but disguised, camouflaged Communism.)
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Communism is shit for nazilike cocksuckers or lazy fags that gave only shit for mankind.

Questions?
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>>137330891
Ask a Russian or an Yugoslav
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>>137330891
We got to try it in the First world
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>>137330280

Yes, it is a great indicator of the slackers and the successes. Why should a lazy person get to enjoy a higher class? You can have two people working the same job but if one guy doesn't show up on time or works less then they get less. Meanwhile the other guy is on time and works a little overtime gets paid more. If you had a job you would know this.
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>>137330900
Im thinking about moving to Chiapas btw
Anyways i need to take a shit, you guys into PUBG?
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>>137329382
Sounds like something that is easily solved by automation.
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A L E X A N D E R D U G I N W A S R I G H T

F O U R T H P O L I T I C A L T H E O R Y

STOP CLINGING TO DEAD

2 0 T H C E N T U R Y I D E O L O G Y
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Hence it follows that, just as in the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism, so also in the triumph of fascism will triumph Judaism.”
(A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 143-144.)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism (Communism) itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism." ~ The Jewish Chronicle, April 4, 1919.

“Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as common enemies.” ~ Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336.

“There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolsheviks, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism.” ~ London Jewish Chronicle, 4 April 1919.

"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international movement controlled by Jews; communications are passing between the leaders in America, France, Russia and England, with a view to concerted action." ~ Directorate of Intelligence, Home Office, Scotland Yard, London, in a Monthly Report to Foreign Embassies, 16th July, 1919.

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington:
(David R. Francis, Russia from the American Embassy (New York: 1921), p. 214.)

"The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
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>>137331159
Ask the man in the cave.
Though I suppose in this example the outside is also deceptive.
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>>137331215
Are you claiming all rich people got their wealth through hard work? Communism is a system that most benefits those who work and tries to eliminate money made simply through exploitation.
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>>137331276
How would the falling rate of profit be solved by automation?
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The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke (Foreign Relations of the United States - 1918 - Russia, Vol. 1 (Washington, DC: 1931), pp. 678-679):

"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

"The Bolshevist officials of Russia are Jews. The Russian Revolution with all its ghastly horrors was a Jewish movement." (The Jewish Chronicle, Sept. 22, 1922)

"The Jewish domination in Russia is supported by certain Russians...they (the Jews), having wrecked and plundered Russia by appealing to the ignorance of the working folk, are now using their dupes to set up a new tyranny worse than any the world has known." (The Last Days of the Romanovs, Robert Wilton; Rulers of Russia, Rev. Denis Fahey, p. 15)

"We have exterminated the property owners in Russia. We are going to do the same thing in Europe and America." (The Jew, December 1925, Zinobit)
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>>137331339
Dugin hates whites, sides with Zimbabwe etc and theres a spot in the oven for you.

sage
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>>137331431
Hey are you writing all this by yourself or do you copy this from a file in your computer?
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Karl Marx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Childhood_and_early_education:_1818.E2.80.931836
http://archive.is/rwTdC
>Ancestrally Ashkenazi Jewish, his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.

Leon Trotsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotski#Childhood_and_family_.281879.E2.80.931895.29
http://archive.is/xMRhM
>He was the fifth child of eight of well-to-do Jewish farmers, David Leontyevich Bronshtein and his wife Anna Bronshtein. The family was Jewish but reportedly not religious.

Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html
http://archive.is/y5Pr8

Anti-Semitism
https://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
http://archive.is/XxRXf
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

Putin: First Soviet Government was Mostly Jewish
http://jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Putin-First-Soviet-government-was-mostly-Jewish-317150
http://archive.is/uNDV5

Soviets Razed Churches, Spared Synagogues
http://henrymakow.com/001913.html
http://archive.is/hcyTf

Stalin's Jews
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
http://archive.is/WAARm

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime
http://ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
http://archive.is/kFzh2

Communism was Jewish - Communism is Jewish
http://controversyofzion.info/communism_was_jewish.htm
http://archive.is/SRRIz

Jews and Marxism - Socialism - Communism
http://come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt11.html
http://archive.is/bzuaa

Jewish Communists
http://archive.is/gs9q1
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>>137331342
sage
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>>137331423
Automation makes things cheaper.
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>>137331388
How would stateless communist society stop warlords from arising?
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>>137331339
The sad part is that the Kremlin didn't follow through as it appeared to happen. It could be swift and almost bloodless. Now both sides are with angry faces.
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Helo Cumrads. Thiz generol is for discuss of Marxinism, the idolorgy of revalutiory socalsm and cummushitsm.

Cummunism iz duh death stage of humanty followin the ebil nahtzee!!!!111!1!!1111!! stage.

Wut exakly is cum according to Marksist-Lenonsts:
>we suk
>we iz dum
>we wuz soviet union n sheet
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>>137329696
These all were debunked 26 hours ago in the last communist general.

>Soviets Razed Churches, Spared Synagogues

>http://www.berdichev.org/jewsinurss_b_4.htm

>During the years of Stalin's suppression of Yiddish culture, a few synagogues had been allowed to go on functioning. In the last years of Khrushchev's leadership, however, a campaign of militant atheism is launched against all religions, particularly affecting Jewish institutions. Jewish cemeteries are expropriated and destroyed, and more than fifty synagogues are closed. In dozens of books, authors with Jewish-sounding names denounce the Jewish religion. Only an estimated sixty synagogues remain open in 1965.
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>>137320953
S H U T I T D O W N
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>>137331640
Automation in the past has accelerated the rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall
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>>137331756
When does middle school start man?
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>>137331677
Law enforcement officers or something. Communism might not even get to a stateless point.
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>>137331213
>so your ideology is pretty good but it has the tendency to be slightly deturped by the people carrying it out, this often leads to thousands of deaths, brutal dictatorships and complete economic destruction, but that's fine we can forget that if you can just come up with an way to avoid falling into the same errors again this time
>"we will just try again in a different place this time, trust me it will work"
ok.
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>>137331939
Do you really want law enforcement bastards?
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Communism is baby's first political ideology.
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YOU PETTY IDEOLOGUES ARE LIVING IN THE PAST, HIDING IN THE SHADOWS OF DEAD MEN TO ESCAPE FROM THE HORRORS OF MODERNITY

THE FUTURE IS THE FOURTH POLITICAL THEORY

FASCISM HAS FAILED
COMMUNISM HAS FAILED
CAPITALISM HAS RAILED

AND ONLY ONE OF THESE STILL CONTINUE ON AN INTERNATIONAL LEVEL BEGGING TO BE REPLACED BY

2 1 S T C E N T U R Y

THE FUTURE IS HERE AND IT IS WITH DUGIN

R A T I O N A L I S M
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>>137331961
Yeah. Capitalism is a big failure, we have nothing to lose.
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>>137318669
you use soviet imagery but fail to realize how nationalistic soviet union was and how many they purged and pogromed?
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>>137331640
everything makes things cheaper, that's not an explanation. TRPF has to do with the profitability of investing in newer and innovative business.
>>137331677
Rojava does it pretty well
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>>137331939
>Law enforcement officers
Class.

>Communism might not even get to a stateless point
Then drop communism in favor of a similar better ideal. Make it if it does not exist and so forth.
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>>137331961
capitalism is more utopian
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>>137331939
>Law enforcement officers or something. Communism might not even get to a stateless point.
You mean secret police under glorious leader? I love how you guys always start calling soviets not true socialists and then declare to do exacly the same shit.
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forgot my shitposting flag
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>>137331388

>Are you claiming all rich people got their wealth through hard work
Never said that, but now that you bring it up even people who made lots of money in other methods either by luck or by blood are still far more deserving of their positions in class. They were in the right place at the right time and the people around them set up the conditions they needed to succeed.
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>>137332009
There is still law and justice under communism. Its kind of a Hegelian progression of man.
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communism: never worked once
and never will.

I agree if it worked it would be great, but thats why it wont work. read City of God. Humanity is too fallen to have anything perfect.
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>>137332060
>Yeah. Capitalism is a big failure, we have nothing to lose.
>we have nothing to lose.

Except prosperity, freedom and life and limb. Capitalism has blown Communism out of the water regarding the ability to provide people with prosperity, over and over again.
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>>137332133
"luck" isn't a fair measure of who becomes rich.
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>>137332246
explain why not
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>>137332020

"Everybody is a communist, until they get their first job."

-Somebody
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>>137332060
huh, don't you have something a little more positive to say, for people that lack suicidal tendencies?
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>>137332255
Most millennials won't even get the chance to own a house but whatever you say about prosperity.
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>>137332146
>>137332009
How do you plan to stop warlords?

>>137332318
Luck decides who is born gifted and who is not.
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So when are we having our own torch marches again?
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>>137332103
>
People that say soviets are not true socialists are entry level, they fucked up a lot but it's socialist
>>137332246
How many times have i seen this argument
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>>137331837
>http://www.OhWoeIsMeGiveShekelsGoyim.Com/
You're so full of shit it's not even funny.

>"There's nothing wrong with the Jews"
>*Gets shown dozens of links proving Communism is Jewish*
>"Communism really isn't Jewish!"

If there's literally nothing wrong with the Jews then you should embrace the fact that Communism was created by the Jews.


Hell, I haven't even gotten into the fact that Cultural Marxism is Jewish as well.
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>>137332318

Of course it is. If you build something that people didn't know they wanted then you got lucky. If you buy a lottery ticket and win then you got lucky. If you meet the person who wants to help you spread your idea you got lucky.
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>>137332378
>MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN
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>>137332583
call the shots and i'll be there
>>137332517
e d u c a t i o n
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>>137332656
>Cultural Marxism
nice oxymoron buddy
>>
Neither capitalism nor communism are good, but at least when capitalism fails it manages to reinvent itself rather than plunging on economical and social distress for generations and leaving the local population on a technological gap with the rest of the world.
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>>137332378
I actually became a communist after working 10 hours daily without a break lol
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LET GO OF YOUR FAILED

20TH CENTURY IDEOLOGY

AND ACCEPT THE NEW ORDER

F O U R T H

P O L I T I C A L

T H E O R Y
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>>137332822
>plunging on economical and social distress for generations and leaving the local population on a technological gap with the rest of the world.
that sounds more like neoliberalism to me
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>>137331554
Kek there's Slavs who aren't even leftists who dislike America and other countries for colonialism, etc. Triggered?
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>>137332807
>nice oxymoron buddy
Cultural Marxism
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M

Erich Fromm, Judaism and the Frankfurt School
http://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/Illumina%20Folder/kell24.htm

Frankfurt School
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt
http://incogman.net/2009/05/the-frankfurt-school-conspiracy-to-corrupt/

Frankfurt School of Social Research
http://jettandjahn.com/2010/10/frankfurt-school-of-social-research/

The Frankfurt School & Cultural Marxism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ghx3d1GiAc0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fkcy7256tBM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fG6TcYfpQOg

The Frankfurt School of Social Research and the Pathologization of Gentile Group Allegiances
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap5.pdf

Frankfurt School - Satanic Judaism in Action
http://www.henrymakow.com/frankfurt-school-satanic-judaism-in-action.html

Freud, the Frankfurt School and the Kabbalah
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/blog/holiness-sin-freud-frankfurt-school-and-kabbalah

The History of Political Correctness
https://youtube.com/watch?v=acjIw7cVc2k

How a Handfull of Marxist Jews Turned Western and U.S. Culture Upside Down
http://davidduke.com/how-a-handfull-of-marxist-jews-turned-western-and-us-culture-upside-down/

The Jewish Frankfurt School and the End of Western Civilization
http://www.dailystormer.com/the-jewish-frankfurt-school-and-the-end-of-western-civilization/

The New Dark Age: The Frankfurt School and "Political Correctness"
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html

Who Stole Our Culture?
http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41737/
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>>137332897

Sounds like a personal problem. Why didn't you leave and get a better job?
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>>137332763
>e d u c a t i o n
Never worked before. How would it now? How would education stop some charismatic leader to arise and convince some grup of people that under his wing they can be more prosperous? In global communism we are talking about a power vacum of unprecedented magnitude. Warlords WILL arise. How do you stop them?
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>>137332936
>there's both a class and race war
Are nazbols even serious?
>>
Where is the new thread?
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>>137333054
Even if I spent the several days it would take to explain all of these. You will have moved on or died at Berkely or something
Pick one thing and run with it, spamming links is a shitty tactic.
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>>137333108
Already did t b h, got less work hours but pay i
s bad and my girlfriend has to work now
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>>137333193
R A C I A L

C L A S S

W A R
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>>137332936
Marx is 19th century
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This is now a Commie Hate Thread. Sage. Kys faggots.
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>>137333181
using guns and ammo?
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>>137333522
you sock
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>>137332960
Neoliberalism doesn't exist, and even if it did I don't see how the coutries that applied to things such as free market capitalism in the 2000s are in the same situation as the Balcans and eastern europe is today.
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>>137333440
Woah, keep talking nazbol
>>137333522
Oh shit time to look for a different ideology to larp to
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>>137333367

That's not a better job. If you want lower hours then you have to find a higher paying position somewhere else.
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>>137333599
>how the coutries that applied to things such as free market capitalism in the 2000s are in the same situation as the Balcans and eastern europe is today.
that's because you described the same thing twice
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>>137333197

>>137333709
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>>137333781
They didn't plunge into economic and social distress because of capitalism. Hell, Iugoslavia plunged into a 20 year civil war after Tito died.
Poland is still lagging behind after that, and Capitalism is the only thing raising the economy in Vietnam after the disastrous communist regime.
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>>137332936
What is that? Trotskyism?
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