The EU should be destroyed

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>>137061682
We're doing our part

>>137061682
>the south is shit because of the EU
Lol, grow up.

>>137061682
also the EU army will be used against european dissidents and not "invaders".

>>137062084
>the south is shit because of the EU
give back the currency to Italy,Spain,Greece, why not my german friend?

>>137061682
I love it how you never see Americans whine about how the US should be destroyed because it is endangering the few 90% white states with the hordes of shitskins in all the others, but you see them spam anti-EU threads with specifically that justification on a daily basis

It seems to me that you don't actually care about the individual nations of Europe or anything about what you wrote at all, you're just anxious that there's another state as big as you and are trying to shill separatism inside it

>>137062456
also, refugees and spread of liberal agenda

Your end game is US of E and you're going to hate every minute of it. Look at how fucked the US is even with our entire history being together and imagine that with a bunch of historically separate countries with different ethnicities becoming a federalized union of states.

>>137062889
>"Look at how fucked the US is"
>posted by an american with zero intentions of migrating anywhere else

Here in the UK the ‘European way’ never really caught on, apart from in poncy areas of London and that place sucks now. Euro countries in particular are basically chained to the EU ship at this point

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>>137062084
>that flag
"When the last tree has been chopped down, the last blade of grass trampled upon, the last loli raped, the last Swedecuck slapped into prostrate submission, only then will the Germans realise you cannot eat shitskins - unless your name is Hillary"

>>137062841
>
It seems to me that you don't actually care about the individual nations of Europe
You shithead that all we care about. kys and your flag

>>137063346
*gets completely annexed for the nth time because his country is absolutely irrelevant on its own*

Yeah, fuck unions

>>137063454
>gets replaced by shitskins because retarded old female in charge

>>137061682
I agree. EU was the worst thing ever to happen to this continent.
i will be content moving to Serbia or Hungary when shit hits the fan, because, if anything, I can count on our tribal nature to kick in. We may hate each other, but we hate them even moreso

>>137063538
>there's one bad sofa in the house therefor tear down the entire house and stop living in houses

Leaders change. If you cared for Europe you wouldn't want to dismantle something that unites us, just correct the way in which it does so

>>137063641
dude, there is no house, sofas were shat on by niggers and beds were used to rape swedish girls, guy who lived in the house went into cuck shed and guys from the neighbourhood lock their doors and barricade their windows because you want to give them even more love and tolerance and european way
EU unites faggots, you want united europe? get rid of atheism, obtain Caesar for us, get Pope to stand by him and you will have it

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>>137063641
>just correct the way
It isn't rocket science - end free movement and do not allow any non-Europeans in. Make islam as unwelcome as possible to prevent it gaining a foothold. And, most importantly, stop being Satanic pedophiles.

The EU was a mistake, not the idea, but the institutional structuring. Burn down th parliament, kill all MEPs, and noose all the commisioner. Then kill Pillar 1 and 3, and get an Army. The EU should have been a military, never economical and for sure never ever ever a social community.

>>137061682
It should be reformed, not destroyed.

>>137061682

>uk
>winners

Only the crooked business and bureaucrat class are doing well out of it. They sold everyone else out to feather their own nests, with cheap labour and cushy salaries.

>>137063617
>I agree. EU was the worst thing ever to happen to this continent.
Oh, so having a third of it annexed by the Ottomans and then Russia was better?

>>137063834
>>137063876
I'm exactly for both of those which is why I've kept my faith in this union - I'm sure that sooner or later a capable leader will arise who will turn it into what it needs to be, especially now more than ever because of how racist the population is becoming due to those refugees. But until that happens and as long as there's no constitution that dictates the extermination of Europeans, our best bet is to wait and not sperg out like niggers

>>137063937
this guy knows what's up

>>137063937
You are a beggar nation - former Warsaw pact filth grovelling for scraps falling from the tables of your Elitist masters. No wonder you want it to continue, gypsy filth.

>>137063937
Pay back gibs

>>137063641

It isnt just the leader, its as rotten as it can get.

Agricultural Policy is literally killing people.
Immigration policy is killing people.
Poverty is killing people

Dont get me wrong, i fucking hate people,

but i'll be fucked if you think we'll go along quietly to the alter of uniformity

>>137061682
If we're the winners I feel sorry for the losers.

>>137061682
How was the south directly messed up due to being in the EU?

Could the south get their money back while still staying in the EU?

Could the south (southern nations) leave the EU but still keep many or any of the major benefits/deals of being in it?

If the EU screwed over the south (tangibly), could the south leave, and the EU one sidedly help them back equaling the ways in which they screwed them over?

>>137061682
There you go, another example of a failing socialists syste. Just wait until Germany and France run out of money, then everything will go to shit and I will become a warlord because no one in Germany has a gun.

>>137064144
>as long as there's no constitution that dictates the extermination of Europeans
Isn't Kalergi one of the architects of this 21-century Babel? There have been enough EU documents posted here about replacement populations that it's comon knowledge. I don't want any EU reform, I want it to be destroyed.

>>137064144
You have clearly no fucking Idea how the EU works. Muah leader, please, just take a rope and end it. And muah constitution hahahahahahahahahahahaha show flag amurica

>>137064377
oh my, the next Gengis Kahn is a libertarian

>>137064152
And you are broke with no capital. With no more say in the matter.

>>137064235
We pay by keeping muslims out of europe.

>>137064400
>You have clearly no fucking Idea how the EU works.
desu famalam no one have a fuckin clue
we have european comission, european parliament, european tribunal, european shit council, and those guys are all just closed circlee of self adoration who will legislate anything if they get bribes
snails are fish now because french wanted that, and carrot is a fruit because spanish jams
madness

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>>137064507
We gave more than you, gyppo, about 12-16% totalof the EU pot, so no wonder you East Euro beggars are freaking out we're leaving.

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EU was the jewish trick to tie all european nations under the IMF control. Pretty much every country ont he EU has just been following their laws and giving control to them.

EU is a central bank controlled region. Every EU leader who gives them more control is the enemy.

>>137064507
There is one dude and his possie who keep a handfull out, your government who distributes the gibs to their fellow socialists and jews doesn't do much for that, nor the country. I rather have you noose the traitors when not even bread crumps will find the way top down

>>137064661
>East Euro freaking out

We dont care what you do, we're not your daddy. You already got blacked so its a little late to pay billions to leave.

>>137064144
The leader is a figurehead you numpty, they have exactly zero power.

They are paid to convince you that what the large companies are doing is neccessary.

Economy, Economy, Economy.

To bad the banking system is usury and always ends badly, but hey, we get to hear the same message in a different voice in 5 year. You have faith it will be different.
You're the definition of Insanity.

Who decided to build the channel tunnel? That motorway down east germany?

The same people that decide everything, the top CEO's of the top 100 companies.

Siemens, Bayer, Vodafone.

THESE are you dear leaders names.

You unsavable retard.

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>>137064822
You and your (((banker))) masters will get their Bludgeld, we CAN afford it. FFS man - it's like throwing a handful of small change to a pack of piss-stained gypsy winos to get them out of your presence.

>>137064377
>With no more say in the matter.
We run a surplus, we are not running out we are getting richer each day.

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>>137064760
yes, they get tossed into a cosy muddy camp after a nice rain, then get their skulls beaten when they decide they want something but cant have.

Truly Dinko is the only one keeping us safe.

>>137064822
A few dozen billion is nothing compared to the damage theEU does, but dont worry, in 20 years you'll know exactly what we are talking about

>>137065041
Sure thing Pako.

>>137065071

Youre going to have to bailus all out eventually, Zero sum.

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I've been thinking, pol
If Italy, Spain, Britain, Portugal, France, Slovenia, Croatia, Romania, Greece, Macedonia, Hungary, and Ireland formed as one county, and formed a huge fuck off army, would you support it?

I'm talking something patriotic here, unlike the EU. You know, something with decent traditional gender roles too. Germany and Scandinavian countries can fuck off with their feminism and nu male shit. Anglos, French, Meds, and Hungarians only. Include Cyprus too.

It's the best the European man can do to outpower China, India, Lefty EU, la raza Americana burgers, and the Russians.

>>137065180
Not really, we have barely any refugees left. They either died or got deported.

>>137065297
Your talking about a continental wide uprising there, really.

Its pretty much a foregone conclusion if someone with charisma can spearhead it.

>rolling for hitler2.0

>>137064657
>EU Com
The commissioners are irrelevant, the over 9K working groups count, and yes, they are filled to the brink with the same blue and green haired dykes as the last 30 years
>EU P
Has no power, except for slowing down rational policies and speeding up more gibs for Niggers. Fuck Lisabon, because now the Council can't just ignore those red and green haired dykes
>Tribunal
Deals 87% of the time with blue green and red haired dykes who feel like they are not valued enough, as fictional rape cases
>The Council of the EU
Mirror of the National Administration, have been not that bad because mostly working in the National interests, lately be flooded with above species because stupid voters vote for fictional gibs
>The EU Council
The same traitor who sit in the governements, dictated by Merkel.

Just one solution. Find your local MEP and punch him in the face till xhe dies

>>137062794
>give back
They can do that themselves, nobody forces us to have €, are you retarded?

>>137065297
Nope. Too much power would be centralised. One day it would function as your happy-clappy anime-tier army, but a single night of executions would turn it into a tool for evil. Didn't WW1 & WW2 teach you that treaties have NEVER prevented war, they've always dragged civlised nations down to the level of the swinefarmer mudfuck scum they were supposed to be allied with?

>>137065402
Yea, this is the problem, you dont even realise how the EU maintains control, its a psyop developed from the USSR.

You will realise someday, and by then, your country will be gone, changed from what it was to a province with zero say, zero culture, zero roots.

How you think this will end well is mystifying

>>137065297
I just want the IMF to fuck off, they are the ones imposing retarded shit, making us dig deeper into misery. IMF is pretty much the hand of the Jew at this point.

>>137065617
Then push for a reform, not destruction.

Obviously you dont know what being in the balkans is like if you think our culture is at stake.

>>137065659
>implying usury banking isn't the root cause

>>137065602
>2
It can be like the US, bu 2wice a powerful

>>137065787
Please explain, because pretty much that's what the IMF stands for.

>>137061682
the EU is determined to unify the continent into a super state. they dont care who dies or gets raped to make it happen

all you can do is repeatedly point out how much of a joke it is that they cant manage 1% gdp growth more often than not in a single quarter individually and it would be no different unified except they would have no say in what happens individually. the EU council will rule it and nobody inside the EU will be able to defend themselves against its tyranny

>>137061682
turkTurd, we are not after subhuman opinion, NEVER!

>>137065297
>forming a country with UK
>or France
No thanks, I don't like niggers.

>>137065770
Reformation isnt possible, why do you think the EU left after that "great deal" the UK struck before brexit.

Your a clown so welcome to the circus, here's your bread.

>>137065948
>the EU council will rule
Burger education
>>>/out/
There is a rally to prepare

>>137065602
>>137065898
What is it with you and "power" and wanting to ahead with Russia, China, etc?
Anyway. let me elaborate - consider the history of Italy, in a nutshell. We see a what is now a nation, but in the past was, at differing times: an Empire - a monarchy - a collection of city states - and now a modern nation.
Italy can show us a lot, as the Roman Empire (analogous here to the EU) collapsed due to gimmegrunts wanting gibs! The more they were given, the more gimmegrunts came, to claim THEIR free gibs! They gave them land, citizenship, but they were doomed. Had they put up a strong initial resistance, it wouldn't have happened, but Rome was doomed to fall.

>>137066075
>Reformation isnt possible
People who say something can't be done are the dumbest of all. I marked your ID so I won't have to read your stupidity any more.

>>137065909
The banking system is just a self perpetuating cycle, you can collapse this bank, that institution.

Usury was punishable by death and exile for thousands of years.

Now we just don't tolerate them, we "need" them.

Users get butcherhooks in the town square, otherwise this shit will continue again and again until we actually DO get eradicated.

Violence solves nothing but it can kickstart change.

>>137066214
You are dumb. For reformation to work you must first get rid of all Marxist and Maoists hiding in the DGs and committees since 30 years

>>137065504
so if they are all irrelevant or useless, why do we pay them?

>>137066214
If you read the Lisbon treaty you'd have a leg to stand on Fyodor.

>>137066426
Good question. Because our lazy governments and legislators thought they would save resources and give up responsibilities when giving power to a slow monolithic gang of blue red and green haired dykes.

>>137066191
Ego

Italian ethnicity no longer exists, and neither does British.

We're all mixed now anyway, and there is no chance silly little englands and italy can survive on their own now.

Would you prefer to rid the nations of Sub Saharan and Muslims, or what? That's a goal in common.

>>137066359
I agree, usury is pretty much fucking with the whole world. It should be abolished. But my point is IMF is like the defense of that bank controls other countrie's bank model, so then usury becomes more powerful. Since it's one country sinking another one into debt and taking everything from said country.

>>137066426
So idiots think they have a choice

>>137061682
The UN should be destroyed first.

The EU can be changed.

If Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary, Greece, Republic of czechoslovakia and Poland band together to reject the EU immigration policies it can be changed.

The UN cannot, the UN is the most communist organization operating in Europe at this time.

>>137066567
>>137066594
then it would be actually be better to stop funding this garbage, and go back to how it was in the past, but because germany, france and their friends benefit from this crap, we cannot?
also:
>EU council
>council of EU
why the fuck we need both? seriously, why?

>>137066796
>Republic of czechoslovakia
it would be very hard to make them band together with us because they do not exist for a few quite some time

>>137066591
If a countries nations dont sign shit laws and agreements, the IMF cant do shit except screw with our economy, so pull a hitler, a second, non usury economy with no rate of exchange with the previous currencies.

Bankers with stacks of pretty paper become destitute, working age men must then become productive again, women then rely on men once more.

Hitler did almost everything right.

>>137064349
>How was the south directly messed up due to being in the EU?
Inflation, brain drain, EU regulations killing the local industry (have gibs but only buy german stuff)
>Could the south get their money back while still staying in the EU?
>Could the south (southern nations) leave the EU but still keep many or any of the major benefits/deals of being in it?
>If the EU screwed over the south (tangibly), could the south leave, and the EU one sidedly help them back equaling the ways in which they screwed them over?
No, look at Greece. (((They))) ruined the country forever after their referendum

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>>137066570
FAGGOT TALK, NIGGER. ISLAM HAS TO BE ERADICATED

>>137066829
there wasnt enough jobs for the nephews AND neices

Farmers here think its great because they get gibs. Too bad they dont realise the EU gets alot more than that for just letting the goy live.

>>137066829
>Councils
The latter should define the Agenda and keep out of legislation, what they don't do since Merkel. The first was meant as the main legislator (like a senate), formulating and voting legislation proposed by the Commission, what is effectively not done any more, because the fucking parliament blocks everything they are able to block to get some diversity shit in, what takes the average legislation around 2.5 years from formulation too voting.
>Stop funding it
Absolutely. New governements who still have power over international agreements should simply quite. No referendum, not asking parliaments, just say FUCK THE EU, go ask the Niggers for funding

>>137067096
here, Farmers represent classic Polish thinking
>take what you can, give nothing back
while they insult "european values" with impunity
>we lived through soviet union, we shall live through european
my uncle, semi small cow farmer, about 50 cows who sometimes make too much milk and he got to destroy it because EU said to not sell too much

>>137067096
>FArmers
>Get gibs
Wattenfall and BSA are the one who receive most Farmer gibs, local farmer just profites from the protectionist policy against Africa, for which no one needs an EU

>>137067282
except if we quit or act too defiant, germany will use their bullshit to force their economy on us, while MSM will make us literally nazis

>>137066949
how would brain drain be prevented either way (not letting citizens leave the country?)(or investing more in the country?)

If they all use the same currency euro, how did inflation effect them? They had less euros to begin with, and then Europe printed more, devaluing the little euros they had? And then also they had to borrow, and typical central bank shenanigans?

>>137067896
You can go east. Germany is powerless the moment you throw out their banks and tax the shit out of their products. The Germs don't produce anything that cannot be bought from the competition. Let them overproduce like the cucks they are, let them drown in their MAde in Germanistan shit. The only thing that makes it rational to do business with Germ companies is the EU and the gibs from our countries pumped into their companies which allows them to be cheaper.

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>>137061682
>OK!!!! Let's get the circumstances in a little perspective.

What a shitty point of view desu.
Europa is the shaper of this modern world. It doesn't work as well as it should because of ((external)) impositions.

>austerity and unemployement at "revolution" level

Spain isn't a fucking failed state, we have pretty good living standards, best healthcare and education system, best counter-terrorism system, amazing HDI, RTD and the GDP pretty much like Italy. We are not crambling. We are not loosers but winners in the shadows.

Reminder we passed a period where we fought for inner ideologies in the country (communist left vs fascist conservative right who won and let the country poorly developing these years, but no country can say it discussed what ideology to apply by plain fighting between brothers. Socialism in Spain is the result, and to me is the pretty best system to have)

Also we just overcame the housing bubble crisis, which countries like Canada are now entering in. Shut ur mouth please. U're an ignorant fuck.

>>137068159
0/10 bait
gtfo

>>137068140
>You can go east
no, we cannot
east can come to us, and wants to do that, but Russia is eternal threat to butthurt belt countries, and would gladly annihilate us and take our clay, despite what they say
>>137068159
I know nothing about you except you do not have corridas anymore, tomatina still happens and weed is legal
integrated/10

>>137065258
Bailouts are already in it. Also the Troika restructuring programs are working. From Portugal to Greece there is a stable economic growth.
With Brexit we have the chance to real reform...those fuckers were blocking everything.

>>137068159
>20% unemployment rate
>not a failed state

>>137068215

Not bait, this retard OP american for sure really touched my balls. Only with putting facts from my country are enough to realise there is no misery, and that every european former country is aware of its situation to recover what we are already recovering.

>>137061806
You are just some degenerates in a caliphate getting played by their politicians like the rest of us.
You changed nothing at all.

>>137061682
Dissolve the EU and the EU will get divided and glassed, that is a fact many people don't understand.
If at all it has to be reset, but not destroyed.
We need a fiscal union in which profiting countries like Germany have to give back to weaker countries which can't devaluate their currency.
United States of Europe the Starship Troopers way.

>>137068357
not necessarily that far east. The Visegrad could be stronger than Germany. Allied with the coast serbs, Gypsies and Bulgarians you could build a block that out votes the Germs and Frogs, push for the Serbian integration and the Austrians won't think twice who to back. Eastern Europe has the potential power to fuck the Germs big time, if you wouldn't argue over minor bullshit.
>>137068365
>Troika
>Working
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>137068369

http://fundforpeace.org/fsi/indicators/

>>137066949
Could these nations have made similar mutually beneficial deals without being hardcore 'in the/as the EU'?

What are the main aspects of the EU? The currency the euro?

Is it possible the complainers about the EU are just a minority of losers (that are found in every nation and state)?

Why can the 'united states of europe' not work as fluidly as the united states of america (what percentage would you say is language difference, I cant imagine that being near the largest source of discontent)?

There are richer and poorer states in America, rural and city, winners and losers.

>>137061682
I agree, but that does not lie on the "have and have-nots"

It lies on the fact that it forces dependance and culturally enriches your country with babarians and kills individual thought while taking the audacity to shit on fascists.

>>137068685
your private debts are still astronomic, the state debts are still astronomic, the unemployment is still on a level close to the 1930's, only cosmetically reduced by programs, and national debt financed slave work. The only one who profits is Germanistan

>>137066918
>so pull a hitler
I'ts the only solution I see, xcept it has to be done globaly, if a lone country in the EU pulls a hitler, it will get BTFO'd by (((them))) just to make an example, if all the countries pull a hitler together, then that's another story

Man I wish people realisd our economic model is not flawed, but pretty much set to drain us of all power, and transffer such power to (((those guys)))

Fuck (((the banks)))

>>137068727
>Dissolve the EU and the EU will get divided and glassed,

by who?

>>137068792
your country is actually an european hellhole man, at least be honest with yourself.

>>137069075
by mysterious force that germans rely on to destroy europe after EU is no more/NATO is no more/diversity is gone/tolerance is gone
I think scarecrow is the word here

>>137069306
spain looks nice

>>137068792
>ffp
>to be taken serious
come on buddy go back to facebook and like OSF posts about poor Nigglets

>>137069075
By anybody interested in profiting from a weakened and divided Eurozone whether socially, economically or geostrategically.
Russia, turkey, China, even the US.
If the EU can't act as a bloc they are destined to fail. Why do you think BRICS is established, why do you think TTIP was in the making?
You don't stand any chance as a small country anymore.
Trump sanctioning Russia trying to sell american minerals to Europe instead is nothing but TTIP the bully way, retard could have it much easier.

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>>137066570
I get you, bro.I want the EU to be united under a strong leader so he could expel all of the shitskins out of Europe, I want the focus to be on the well being of native Europeans, I want to see EU as a scientific, economic and military superpower.

>>137061682
>The Losers (and they are BIG Losers) come from Spain, Portugal, Greece etc

They would be even bigger losers if Germany and the UK did not prop them up. They run corrupt countries, they don't collect taxes, they don't pay back their loans and they are lazy.

While Northern Europe work hard, pay their taxes and run a smooth operation. The "losers" are much better off due to the EU.

>" where austerity and high unemployment has risen to almost "revolution" level."

Because they vote in shit politicians and don't think. Their politicians borrow and waste money, and they need austerity and to pay back what they borrow.

Just because being a EU member makes it easier to borrow money does not mean that they are not supposed to pay back or that they are not supposed to be responsible with the money.

>Every day the Haves wander about spending their money whilst the Have-nots just stand and watch

Just don't waste money on nonsense and don't borrow more than you can easily pay back. (and if you borrow money then don't waste it on nonsense like Spain, Italy, Greece++)

> particularly if they don't have one of the not particularly well paid jobs such as waiters, cleaners etc.

Waiters and cleaners earn enough money to live comfortably. And if they were not members of the EU they would not be comfortable and might not have the jobs they have.

>These peoples only hope of economic recovery is the really painful return to their own currency and economic plan for growth.

That is just going to be a disaster. Countries that are outside international trade agreements like the EU are doing badly. Anyone in the EU or the single market will primarily use each-other as trading partners FIRST before choosing anyone else. Anyone outside of the EU would have to devolve back into being some sort of chinese-style sweatshop economy with much cheaper products to be able to compete with EU members and trade with the EU.

>>137069607
>Buy my overproduction
go fuck a goat Muhamed

>>137069413
Saudi Arabia looks nice too
sand, water, sun
just like work near cement mixer, what's not to love?

>>137069317
Seriously seeing you polish leeches mouthbreathe about your lost polish folklore and not willing to stand to the papers you signed yourself is disgusting.
Without your hated Europe you degenerate drunkies would still be Namibia-tier and we both know.
You have one if not the largest deficit in the EU, you delusional losers.

>>137069658
fuck europe

>>137069666
you are a stupid norwegian subhuman

you think you know other countries better than locals

>>137062794
They could easily keep their own currency if they wanted. Pay back your debts and stop borrowing more than you can easily pay. Of course there is going to be austerity if you borrow so much money. Are you dumb?

>>137069778
now they cant

do not talk about eu
if your shithole is not even part of it
fuck off subhuman

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>>137069740
fuck off hans, you are the reason EU failed and now we are left with a question: mercykill it and never mention it again or let it rot and risk another european war

>>137067996
>how would brain drain be prevented either way (not letting citizens leave the country?)(or investing more in the country?)
The braindrain could've been prevented if EU didn't destroy our industry and there were no free circulation of people.
>If they all use the same currency euro, how did inflation effect them? They had less euros to begin with, and then Europe printed more, devaluing the little euros they had? And then also they had to borrow, and typical central bank shenanigans?
Rounding up prices because of the new currency, the possibility of selling products at a higher price in other richer countries (free circulation of goods), etc. A cup of coffe in 2001 cost 100 pesetas (0.60€). The same cup of coffee in 2002 cost 1€ (166 pesetas).

>>137069690
You don't listen.
If Germany is export heavy with a weak Euro, Greece can export vegetables to us and not even try to compete.
They should be compensated in a fiscal union for not being able to introduce the Drachme while germany profits bigtime from not having to cope with a strong D-Mark, though.

>>137062794
>Give back
Your currency where so shitty you happily switched to the Euro since it meant your shitty governments could keep borrowing money without actually bothering to pay back because lol next El Presidente will have to do it instead what's responsibilities I'm set now when I've my pension? :^)

>>137069760
>you are a stupid norwegian subhuman
>(((reddit spacing)))
>you think you know other countries better than locals

Everything I said is true.

>>137069859

Yes they can. Many EU countries keep their own currency. Like Sweden for example.

>>137068816
>Could these nations have made similar mutually beneficial deals without being hardcore 'in the/as the EU'?
- Probably not. It would not be practical, as every country has to do bilateral agreements with every other country. So every country would have 27 agreements...that would mean 28x27= 756 bilateral contracts which all would be different from each other. Much better to sit down together and agree on rules mutually.
>What are the main aspects of the EU? The currency the euro?
Main reason still is peace keeping. There has not been a war between EU countries since WW2. Real wars are not fun. Second reason is economic growth. If you have a look at Ireland and UK in the 70s for example, they have been really weak economically speaking. They thrived quickly. Poland, and the Baltics also grew very fast and steady...almost all countries grew very quickly withing the EU. The economic crises was felt hard all over the world, but do npt forget it started in the US...
>Is it possible the complainers about the EU are just a minority of losers (that are found in every nation and state)?
Yes. Some people can only live if they believe their misery is the fault of some dark, evil power and not their own.
>Why can the 'united states of europe' not work as fluidly as the united states of america (what percentage would you say is language difference, I cant imagine that being near the largest source of discontent)?
- There are several reasons. I like the diversity, different cultures and languages. They are the true treasure of Europe. Language barrier is there, but every language is learnable...it is just some extra work.
>There are richer and poorer states in America, rural and city, winners and losers.
- Compare Mississippi to New York...if Mississippi could manipulate the Dollar exchange rate, they would devalue it. It would help them. Same for Greece and Portugal....

>>137069989
sweden is a shitskin country
do not write like that to him you subhuman

>>137069891
You are leeches, simple as that.
The EU was great as long as it was wiping your third-world ass.
Poles should unironically be among the most silent when it comes to Europe.
Again your country would be Somalia without the EU, you have a disgustingly short long-term memory.

>>137061682
Southern Europe was always a poor 2nd world shithole.

The fact Spaniards dare to compare themselves to Germans says a lot.
It's like Mexicans complaining Mexico didn't instantly become as rich as USA after joining NAFTA.

Be a little more grateful, Amigo.

>>137070014
its not you subhuman

now they cant change
although old generation is dying off
you subhuman

>>137070083
southern europe was always better you jealous shitskin

>>137069666
jesus christ are you a moron. Who enabled those countries to take loans? GERMAN banks. Who fucked the industries of south Europe? GERMAN Banks.
>Waiters and cleaners
>comfy life
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>Please don't leave the Euro or German Banks crash
>Buy my Overproduction
The crash is immanent

>>137068140
usa, germany, france and eu in general, china will cause overproduction crisis anyway.

They will fight with each other sooner or later

>>137069891
>fuck off hans, you are the reason EU failed


...by working hard and efficiently.

Yeah, how dare they?

>>137070238
germans dont work hard
neither do dutch

they just profit from high population densitysince germanics were breeding like rats

>>137070142
There won't be a crash.
The ECB will buy every toxic remnant from the EU debt crisis of 2011 and solve the problem by inflation.
Hey and Britain will hopefully not be part of this anymore, saves us a lot of money.

>>137069922
would work if you wouldn't subsidize you fucking chemical and car and agricultural and green technological and service and.... industries with cheap labour from debt financed work program where the company jew pays effectively 3€/h for qualified work. Please Hans, I hope you get raped so hard by your imported get labour more cheap experiment. You deserve to be killed as a Nation. Bring back the German Länder, burn down the Reepublic

>>137070295
>profit from high population density

lol what????

Explain yourself, Achmed.

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>>137070080
WE are leeches? you destroyed all industry competitive with german across europe, you paid your agents to push pro german law, you caused World War not once, but TWICE, and now you irreversibly change european demographic into middle east, and on top of that, you still have not paid WW2 reparations
get largest wooden stick there is available around you, and showe it so far up your ass that it reaches brain, maybe it will help you think more clearly, albeit there is little chance for that, because all germans are autists
>have nice, constructive thread about EU
>germany comes and ruin it
always the same

>>137061682
I want EU to be back into 2000-2005 state, when it was basicly upgraded EWG.

The current socialistic, beurocratic monster imposing brussel ideas on everyone has to go.

But this would need hard action, bullet to merkel, shultz head at start.

>>137070356
Dude you are Austria, you are a nothing.
But as I said we agree:
If the profiteers from the Eurozone don't find a way to give back the EU will be destroyed, this won't go on for years.
Btw. that's one of the reasons austerity is a joke when demanded by Germany.

>>137070389
more people
more taxes for big projects
lower transportation cost to other places

you are also evil and are not interested in peaceful eu

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>>137070476
not gonna work because germany still part of it
how long will it take for world to realise that germany is root of all european problems?

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Along with the UN and the crusaders of Human Rights,

>>137065504
Oh comon my MEP is JKM aka that fucking oddbal telling EU has to die.

I`m affraid of punching him, he would punch back.

The EU is Germany finally conquering Europe after learning that Jewy bank schemes work better than blitzkrieg.

>>137070142
germans and rest are increasing speed of overproduction as they get debts, import niggers and try to make free trade deals, that is why companies INVEST in hope to get profit from niggers (afro-europeans or arabo-europeans LOL) and unstable regions lol (that lose stability after coups and wars)

germany is the biggest producer in europe and business in other countries (4x bigger than german) adopted same suicidal strategy.

so overproduction crisis is imminent

>>137070596
germans are subhumans

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>>137070520
>Dude you are Austria, you are a nothing.
germans at their finest
are you aware that most known german was in fact Austrian?
failure of a nation, for fucks sake, how can european land give birth to such retards? is your soil radioactive? maybe cursed? that would also explain why your women are so fugly

>>137070609
immigrants in europe contribute 22 billion each year

>>137070550
Yes they are, and this time they are tottaly mad.

But hey a nation that got fooled into beliving they are blond hair master race by.. short, black haired austrian copral.

Germans are just stupid.

>>137070520
Ostereich > Germanistan

Better germans than you will ever be.

>>137067298
same here, planting 50 apple trees in one day left me with a stack of paperwork that took 2 weeks to finish.

I could have built a shed in that time.

its way out of control, i couldnt even let my cattle in the shed last winter because "The shed isnt big enough"

Its been big enough the last 30 years but not anymore apparently

>>137070520
>Give Back
one solution: Make it irrational to have children, reverse the human import, make labour in germany as expansive as possible. Problem solved, the EU can survive and be useful. Keep on undercutting costs by artificially keeping labour cheap by endebting future generation, it will be war at some time. Not sur if after or before disintegration

>>137070725
irish are useless subhumans

>>137070765
its not
you are just a retard who thinks he knows something about eu
you subhuman

>>137070402
Do you have the slightest idea about how much money was poured into your country by the EU in the last decade alone??
We agree on most other aspects, german arrogance and milking of the Eurozone is a bitch, but don't tell me Poland would have been better of without the EU.
If you asked pretty much any pole before getting paranoid because of muh muslims in 2015/16 they would have all told you how great the EU is.

>>137070765
>calls out kraut's reddit spacing
>also uses reddit spacing
What did he mean by this?

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>>137070725
apparently cattle have more rights than you or something
this madness have to cease, people got enough, joke's over, time to pack up and go home, EU failed to deliver the supreme European Superpower as it was shown in advertisements

>>137069698
spain has awesome architecture, people, food and culture, climate what about it is hell hole?

>>137070886
>spain has awesome architecture, people, food and culture, climate what about it is hell hole?
20% unemployment rate and massive debt,apparently it is a socialist and separatist hellhole

>>137070688
they contribute even more to growth to GDP

that is why i tell

comanies import "slaves" to sell them goods
government makes spendings to house "slaves"
banks import slaves to use them as a pledge to have good rate of debt/youth&middle
moyenne bourgeoisie imports "slaves" because they need to get rent from their real estate that was aimed on babyboomers and doesnt have demand in other conditions lol
...

this is same as debt, it only delays crisis of overproduction.

same goes with free trade deals. they are even more dangerous. one more coup and world war wil lbe started.

>>137068994
Sure what can one man do? ;)

Start with your family, then friends, then neighbours, systematically find support and create local networks, when the whistle goes, whitey will be organised

>>137070766
I'm afraid it isn't that easy.
But seeing all those piles of debt worldwide there will probably a reset at some point, whether by debt cut or ww3.
What people don't get is this:
Those boomers who are a burden to our pension system some day will also leave the job market one day and die one day.
In a few years you will not have enough workforce over here, every structural reform is too late to solve demographics at this point.

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>>137070886
probably economy and staggering ammount of liberals
>>137070869
and do you have any idea how many shekels you got from Marshall plan?
we take what we can, what was not given to us after you destroyed continent, and we do not take your lecturing us for a good coin
soon we will remove german media from Poland, which are 80% of all media here, and you will be butthurt and you will cry fascism
Poland would indeed be way way better without your crappy union, money is not everything

>>137070680
>>137070707
Cry us a river, leeches.

>>137069607
>cant survive as a small country

Alternative?
A vassal state led by a suicidal technocracy.

Go jump Hans, youre the minority now.

>>137070874
Just separating paragraphs. And quotes from replies. Formatting properly is not reddit spacing.

>>137070814
I know about EU

>>137070402
Poland should probably leave the EU. You are a drain on Europe and fills Europe with violent criminals, drunks and degenerates.

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>>137071167
have you redefined already what it means to be german?

>>137071274
there is no reason for ireland to be a country

>>137071336
you dont
you are just a stupid racist subhuman

>>137069666
Trips of Lies confirmed

Manufacturing destroyed in every european country BAR germany, who profits from producing everything

What a coincidence!

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>>137070083
take your shitty union then...

>>137071336
we agree in fact that Poland should probably leave the EU. Drain on Europe is wrong because gibs actually go to german companies here, and violent criminals, drunk and degenerates tend to come from all races, while all good people can be good at home

>>137061682

The EU is currently set up in such a way that it's designed to funnel money into a few countries, Germany and France in particular.
All of the laws and regulations they make and pass are designed to make sure money flows into these few countries. It's why Germanies economy is going great despite Germany not really producing anything. Germany is basically robbing the other 25 or so countries of their wealth.

>>137071433
>>137069666

>>137071092
The problem with the boomers is that the y will expect around 40 years of top notch medical treatment and a monthly check. And I get that you don't like to sacrifice your parents and get enough credit together to honour the generational deal, even if it means importing millions of african tribal warriors and destroying the whole continent. Will it solve the problem that your politicians act rationally by cutting labour costs for companies on the cost of the EU Partners industries, no. Realistically speaken, a solution could also be, get Germany out of the EU, tax the hell out of their products, and the smaller countries and French have the free market Union.

>>137071149
Marshall plan? Do you know that the money we got from them was used to finance their 60s boom because bombed out Europe had to buy 'made in america'?
I understand you not wanting to be lectured by germans, but if we get stuck in the past who is there to criticize anything, where do we start?
I always admired your pole's spirit of justice and freedom, what I witness now is just sad. A country in paranoia and a country willing to give up on their democratic values by having a moment of irrational panic seized by some populist PIS promising stuff which won't ever happen.
The bigger the bang, the bigger the bust.
Your disappointment will be big, same as the brits' and then it gets nasty, be prepared.

>>137071419
>Manufacturing destroyed in every european country BAR germany, who profits from producing everything

Because germans are not lazy like the rest

>>137071917
they are
thats why they imported many workers from southern europe and turkey

leave the thread you stupid subhuman
you dont know much about eu

>>137070765
>the Greek people (for example) did by voting
in irresponsible politicians
>they are lazy shitskinned
>We vote responsible politicians
>we true Nord
Never read such a blue pilled response, thank you Nordboi, you are a shame for Nordbot

>>137071519
Again we agree, germany leaving the EU isn't one of the most silly ideas ever, but there really has to be other solutions.
You make it sound as if destroying the EU and hoping something beautiful will emerge out of the ashes is easier than getting the EU fixed, I don't think so.
There is an overshoot of lazy boomer politicians who believe politics will go on like it did for the last 60 years, it won't be like that anymore, especially with a hyperturbo internet catalyzing things.
Either they will fix it or the EU will see its' night of the long knives anyway.
Why you think that simply destroying the EU with no plan B is wiser or even easier than reformatting it is beyond me.

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>>137071681
>money I got from americans was a curse, but money I give you is a blessing!
Hans, you are inconsistent as fuck, and if you talk about democratic values, you should probably start with enforcing security inside your own country, because there is no month without german fatality made by some "syrian" refugee
>appeal to emotion in middle
how liberal of you
>you will suffer the same fate as brits if you oppose us!
k

>>137071519
i think germans have some deep complexes

they never had a proper empire (apart from short time with bismark) and they always cause crisis

french cucks or austrians will "waste" big money on hedonism, but germans will stop to make children to invest in new production that will never find a customer. they will try to smuggle shit into territory of other big powers and their head will be crushed. they will also cause overpoduction crisis in common market

in the end french cucks will have more healthy children
and germany will be ruined as usual with many other lands and cities

>>137070875
Switch and bait,now with the change in agri policy because of Copenhagen Accord, cattle will soon become worthless (co2 emmission tax), farmers willgo bankrupt,land will be bought by Bayer like NAMA got our houses.

I have been waving the documents in farmers faces, but until Phil Hogan says so, im just a conspiracy theorist (my theories are accurate, and im deemed "negative" by the sheeple, so therefore: do not listen to me)

insanity

>>137072121
>Why you think that simply destroying the EU with no plan B is wiser or even easier than reformatting it is beyond me.
I'm a Spenglerist, this civilization has reached its zenit culturally as economically, just eating itself. But I'm optimistic, as the strong will build the foundation of the next civilization, as it is since the dawn of man.

>>137072181
??
I didn't say the Marshall plan was a curse.
It was actually pretty clever with both sides profiting.
I didn't say it was wrong to give Poland money, where did I say that?
I said it's wrong that you guys were leeching for years and now get paranoid and give up everything you fought for at the first signs of trouble, I expected more from you guys.
It is downright ironic to see Poles who live here and work here be the most afraid of refugees while they were handed everything on a silver platter back then when they immigrated and their families still happily accept Hartz4.

>>137068365
>With Brexit we have the chance to real reform...those fuckers were blocking everything.
Britain was blocking reforms to make EU a fedral union and abolish nation states. They were the voice for those who dont want to be controlled by juncker and co. Now that EU will try to push thru ever closer union reforms it will be just digging its own grave. Good riddance (((EU)))

>>137072121
Something beautiful will emerge if what we create isnt drained away.

If free movement is ended and gimmigrants buried we can put the young back cleaning toilets (or starve them) so they'll learn to appreciate hard work, have pride in it, and not let bankers steal their lives.

>>137068727
Yeh and to get the money they have to submit to numerous demands from autistic Germans (ie. taking the millions of refugees Germany brought in, undertaking austerity, lowering wages, basically get treated like Greece) or the Germans simply won't pay.

>>137069075
Germany.

>>137072529
>wann kommt die flut?
I know Egon Spengler, but that's about it, any good link?
Why do people always assume things just break off with a big bang..
See capitalism as this:
This is the growth phase, the curve will flatten once enough growth is established, growth stocks become dividend stocks, shareholder value is generated by earnings and not by growth.
You can see that with america turning into a service society in comparison to growth heavy india e.g.
It will be the same with capitalism in general so to speak. IF we manage to not have a big feeding frenzy at the end in which one big wal-mart buys everything and is monopolist by then.

I hate many aspects of capitalism but thinking it will collapse that easily? I know capitalism all to well to be that naive.
Last 4 years I spend studying currencies, markets, technical analysis, fundamental analysis, macro- and microeconomics.
I did crazy stuff on the stock market, but I also learned to acknowledge the incredibly strong forces of capitalism both in building and destroying value.

>>137072201
>they never had a proper empire
Yes, they thrive to reach that final Faustian stage, not realising they had it during the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation.

Germany needs to accept, that their strength never was unity, but diversity and competition among Germans

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>>137071681
>>137072582
Unironic good posts Hans, seems like the butthurt belt is real after all.

>>137073219
Not Egon, kek, I'm talking about Oswald
You are right, it isn't a bang like from 100 to 0 in a second, their are certain stages after the highest point of a civilization. And no, it isn't about capitalism which will always exist, probably dependable on the current socio cultural environment, if we take the most basic definition of capitalism, like humans trading certain resources they deem valuable and exchange among each other to satisfy their individual needs.
>at the end in which one big wal-mart buys everything and is monopolist by then
But that's always what happens, it is human nature. Build as much security for your tribe so you and your tribe can be as free as possible
>Your studies
will be useful, and keep on using the skills to build resources for you and your tribe.

>>137074056
>https://www.youtube.com/user/EmpiricalMethod/videos
regarding oswald Spengler, it is of course better to read the books, and be warned, the vidoes are heavy propaganda, don't take his interpretation at face value

>>137073219
capitalism will not collapse, but great depression will happen

it will only ruin part of "old capitals" like Spengler said

for example baron Fritz invest all his money into factory that uses polish amd romanian workers to produce shit

this shit is used to make roads in poland, roada are financed by EU

everything collapses, factory closes, and Liquidation value =0

baron von Fritz loses capital, his german workers and polish and romanians slaves get REKT

because he should not haveincested in factory that produce shit and abuses polish market LOL, the only problem is that capital accumulation in europe was not done by germans

>>137073364
yes, they need to accept it, but Anglo-saxons always wanted germans to make harm on the continent.

the most fun thing is that only very small part of goods that are produced by germans have value for civilization, rest things are just cars, different shit and similar consumer products. their infrastructure is overpriced.

idk people in europe will do when current young generation (big part is redpilled) will finish first cycle of capital accumulation. it will happen in nearest 5 years.
many people already have 3-4 flats\houses and no debts and they will start to eat each other (and weaker) to get real value. because all shit shit around is just "ash" and not a gold.

>>137071466
German Lild gets gits
Portugese Biedronka (geronimo something company) gets gibs

They take over polish and other easter eu markets

HURR DURR WE GAVE YOU GIBS

Gibs are esentialy ussed to inject german capital into eastern markets, or create companies that last 2 years (min period to not reufund gibs) and destroy other small companies by unfair competition.

Then just big corps roll in with next wave of gibs and take over.

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>>137072582
your doublethink skills are amazing, not only you say that Poland is leech despite all those EU funds are merely because we opened our markets to your overpriced crap, but you actually have audacity to compare cheap, hard working, maybe sometimes drunk Poles with refugees from subsaharan africa who came here to rape and not work

>>137074268
>played by the anglo
yes, a hundred times this. They are such naive people, always assuming the best, becoming butt hurt once they got the bait and start freaking out taking the whole continent with them while the anglo jews laugh their asses off. Still the Germans have produced cultural value for the western civilization that is non comparable to the anglos or frogs, let alone the south after 300 A.D.
>Red pilled young generation
>Real value
I hope so much and every day it seems a bit more true. The blue pilled revisionists and conservatives will take to long to see the signs at the horizon and keep praising Mephisto till the end.

>>137075045
>sometimes drunk
Let's be honest.

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>>137061806

Polands doing their part!

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>>137072582

I think your just salty because slavic bulls can't satisfy your womens desires