If you unironically think the ancient Greeks and Italians were

>>136812048

can confirm

nothern italians are 100% white

south italians meh...many of them are polluted by north african and middle eastern genes

well 2bh even modern italy has more contributions to the world than most of the nordic countries combined

the reinessance was only 300 years ago, you gonna tell me Michelangelo wasn't a white man?

italy is in the top 4 even in the modern era, and before that was undisputed top civilization of human history

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>>136812549
pic related btw

scandinavians and slavs are inferior

>>136812048
Celts.

They were all Celts.

Celtic countries are the only places where anybody bothers to read the Epics just because it ties into celtic mythology very closely (and old azarbaijani)

>>136812191
This x100.

>>136812549
The Reinessance greats were all from Northern Italy which was inhabited by Germanics and Gauls who were given full Roman citizenship

>>136812630
All that proved was Italy was overshined by Germany, France and England.

>>136812191
Italy is much the same genetically as it has been since pre Rome. Sicilicy is largely a mix of Punic and Greek genetics from the first major settlers. Eastern Italy has more Greek genetics from early settlers. The north part of Italy is more light these days because of a horse of Celtic and Germanic migrations when the Roman Empire fell. The lombards occupied the north for ages and they were Germanic.

If you actually cared to read Roman material from the Republican era you will find writings about the first encounters the Romans had with the teutones and cimbrians. They found their larger statures, light hair and grey eyes frightening. They literally were not used to seeing people like this because Italians had dark complexions and were smaller than northern Europeans. A lot of their pagan Gods had blonde hair, but during early of imperial Rome blonde hair became associated with prostitution because of all the Garlic, Celtic and Germanic qt's imported as sex slaves. In later imperial Rome it became fashionable to have blonde hair and a lot of nobility were wearing blonde wigs.

Here's a question for the stormfags, if every advanced ancient civilization was Nordic than why was the actual Nordic and Germanic parts of the world so backwards and barbaric?

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>>136813570
does this man look northern italian to you?

that data only shows from 1400-1950. before that literally every european achievement came from italy

the reality is that even if what you were saying is true and italians arent white, italy has more achievements than all of the "whitest countries" in every era including modern

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>>136813570
not one nord

>>136814169
This is true. Most of Europe didn't become relevant at all until 400 years ago. The previous several thousand years were spent chimping out in the forests having sex with their siblings while every other Caucasoid between Italy and Afghanistan was drinking wine with their dinners.

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>>136812630
You have to look at per capital. Scandinavian counties have always had small populations. And the difference in population size was even larger before the world wars.

Also the only relevant achievements are scientific achievements.

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>>136813570
again not one nord

>>136814327
*per capita

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>>136812048
Y-You're right! we truly was kangz! feels good menn :DD

Anon, there is no phenotypical difference between northern Italians and French or Swiss people. They can pass as white because they are.

>>136814348
Nordics aren't genetically predisposed to excel in the arts or sciences. They enjoy the pleasures of cuckoldry and trangenderism

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>>136814348
You don't seem to understand that you have to look at per capita achievements.

>Scandinavian counties have always had small populations. And the difference in population size was even larger before the world wars.
Not that many Scandis died in the world wars.

>>136814327
wrong

switzerland has a smaller population than sweden and more contributions than all of scandinavia combined

netherlands has only 17 mil and triple the achievments of all of scandianvia combined

the fact is nordic countries have very few achievments both in the modern era and in the pre history era

>>136814550
Simply not true. I have shown evidence that it's not true and yet you don't show any evidence. >>136814327
>>136814528

>>136812630
>>136814630
my evidence is right here

the fact is that history doesnt work in per capitas. you either built shit or you didnt

for this excercise we can use per capitas if you want, but even in that respect nordic countries are completely inferior

the reality is nords and slavs were living out of wood shacks and stealing grain only five hundred years ago while the celtic and meditaranean people built europe and built the world

>>136814239
>>136814348

They all display the typical "italian" face that you can also see nowadays in most part of italy.

They aren't from german descent, but neither are southern italians polluted with north african and turkish dna.

Most likely, the italian population developed of its own in the territory from etruscans and latin populations in ancient age, and then has been enriched with foreign genes both from north eurpe and south mediterranean area such as north africa and middle east.

Etruscan-like italians are definetly white, anyway.

Julius Caesar had brown eyes. Explain.

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>>136814550
BTW if you look more closely you will see that Sweden had a lot of achievements in science during 1800-1950 but few in art, music and literature (which is all very subjective). According to this author that's most likely a brit.

The only thing that matters is science and Sweden specifically has had a lot of scientific achievements and it's Swedes that did those not jews btw.

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>>136814807
forgot pic

>>136814819

They also display one of the ghighest IQ, longest life-span, and great achievements in both arts and science.

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>>136812048
>If you unironically think the ancient Greeks and Italians were the same race as the Shitskins that inhabit the land today
Genes (pic rel.) > Your opinion

Ironically modern Greeks are "more white" than the Mycenaean Greeks. I suppose that the cause of this is Hellenization of Paeonian and IllyroThracian population and remnants of Scythian slave imports and other Iranic population.

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>>136814903
No IQ is very similar between different countries. Although it was changed a bit as the population demo changes and with the educational system.

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>>136814819
yeah theres definitely been a blur on whats considered Mediterranean, the shit skins like pic related definitely arent med

but meds as a people exist and they have been one of the most influential groups in european history

>>136812048
Ancients loved to idealize themselves as gods. For example, the obsession of the French aristocracy with whiteness. The Greek aristocracy (which modeled classical civilization) was probably Central European.

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>>136814867
so this is what nordic superiority looks like

>>136814867
>>136814869
You didn't answer my post. You should only look at the scientific achievements and if you do that you will see that Scandis have preformed very well especially considering the much smaller population size.

>>136815062
Greeks have a much lower IQ however. Probably because of rape from Turks etc.

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>>136815294
>Scandis have preformed very well
>one single dot in all of human history

lol what about all of these dots? how can little nordic boys compete

>>136815146

Agree.

Of course you can see people display shitskin features like your pic related in Italy, but almost only in the south and you can tell from miles that they have been polluted with arabic dna centuries ago.

However, real italian features actually exist, and you can tell they are white, even though they aren't 1,90m blonde with blue eyes like many people identifies "whiteness" with.

Green eyes are pretty common in Italy too, especially in the center and northern Italy.

>>136814867
Greece is the most influential civ. that ever existed. Why is not in that graph.

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>>136815169
>Ancients loved to idealize themselves as gods.
True

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>ITT nordicucks argue that they're better than everybody else

Celts and Meds created this world while nords lived in fucking mudhuts like niggers.
>B-BUT MUH BLONDE HAIR
nobody gives a shit about feminine hair, a lassie will always prefer a guy with darker hair over a nordcuck unless she's asian.

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>>136815421
even in the roman days there was clear physical differences between the romans and the germanics

the romans were short where as the germanic were considered giants

mona lisa is a good example of what a true med looks like

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>>136815087
>bosnia and albania are muslim countries
>lowest iq in europe
>mfw

>>136815420
You have to lie in order to make your point. Look at. >>136814867 1800-1950

And consider the population size.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden

Now compare that to say Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany

or Britain...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom

Britain had 27,368,800 in 1851 and Sweden had 3,482,500 in 1850. Still no hate. Brits and Scandis share a lot of heritage and Brits have done well for themselves as has Scandis.

Why are you so butthurt? Show flag btw.

>>136815482
fuck nord cucks and fuck slavs

>>136815482
Well the hair thing is not true. What is true that women have an in group bias and most women have darker hair. Still if that makes you feel better paki. A lot of Brits have blond hair btw.

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>>136815689
consider the population size of switzerland

they have only 9 million people and more dots than all of Scandinavia combined

face it nord cuck even when taking into consideration per capita you still got nothing

>>136812048

Now we convert the entire multiverse into the current form, just to piss you off

>>136815717
Show flag. I bet your that Turk.

>>136815087

Italian IQ is avereged down by southern genetic pollution.

If you take northern and center italy, the IQ is around 100

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>>136812048
>reddit spacing

>>136815821
I guess they had access to a better network, i.e. the German universities and some of them were probably Ash Jews. Einstein etc. ... Sweden has almost no Jew scientists - it's all Swedes.

Finns are smart but they had no "academic network" and were mostly farmers (also true for many Swedes and Norwegians for a long time) and so they have very few historical achievements until fairly recently.

>>136815819
Clear things up I'm scottish not british, the english fucks can go die for all I care.

And yes the hair thing is true, literally no white woman in the west wants blonde hair on a guy unless he's a model, brown/black hair will triumph 9/10 with white women, sorry to disappoint you :^)

>>136815169
"Central European"? What does that even mean? They were Scythians or Celts? There was no time before us that Europe wasn't composed of niggers. We literally were the first, so there's no realistic way in which Greek social structure would be dominated by a foreign element. There was nothing racial in Greek aristocracy. There was barely even a concept of dynasty. Anyone who knows half a thing about ancient Greek society will tell you that.

What can be said to be true is that the Proto-Greek speakers were an Indo-European stock, while the pre-Greek population of Greece, which made up (and still does) the majority of genetic ancestry of the peninsula, weren't. So, it's fair to assume that the Middle Eastern aspect of Greek genetics is pre-Greek in origin.

However, the Proto-Greeks speakers weren't Greeks, and there's nothing special about them as a population group compared to any late PIE group. If anything, it's the pre-Greeks that were the Greeks before Greekness was born. But really, it was the mix of the two that gave birth to the Greek nation.

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>>136815914
theres different iq data that shows italians having the highest iq in europe

infact most of the data that shows scandinavia with higher iq is obscure

pic related is first result on google

>>136815914
Yes if it's just Nord Italians it would probably be a couple of points higher.

>>136816061
Yeah not true.

>>136816117
Southern Italians are kebab. Extinguish them.

>tfw your ancestors never accomplished anything worthwhile in the entirety of human history so you need to steal other peoples' accomplishment in order to feel better about yourself
this is the struggle both niggers and nordcucks face every day

>>136816117
>>136816162
Italy as a whole is largely what is was two millenia ago. Invaders left next to nothing. Invaders rarely replace native populations.

>>136816154
Come here to scotland then dick and tell me that again

>>136816206
>Nords
>Australian/British criminal

>>136816206
yet these worthless white niggers live in a much safer, richer and cleaner countries than you medniggers will ever be

nords and slavs are heavily mixed with asians so they lack creativity

thats why they have the least scientific and artistic contributions out of every sect of the white race

celts and meds rule nord and slavs go to the chambers

>>136816248
Lol. What are you talking about? It's true that women have in group bias and most women have brown hair.

>>136816206
Well that's objectify not true if you actually care about facts.

>>136814867
>>136814528
>>136814327
...

>>136816113
Yes and in the other data it was much lower. Probably somewhere in the middle.

All the data shows that there's virtually no difference between Western Europeans and most Slavs also have a similar IQ.

I want all you nordicucks to take a look at scottish inventors and celebrities, remember that scotland is a country where the majority of its population has fair hair. You will notice that barely anybody on those lists has blonde hair, SAD!

>>136816359
>Fingolia
>Trying to shit talk to anyone

Come on now.

>>136816443
This is all BS. I have shown proof and you show no proof and you hide behind that flag.

Show flag or are you that Turk poster and want to d & c?

>>136812048
this
we was literally kings and ancient romans

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>>136816443
>nords and slavs are heavily mixed with asians so they lack creativity
medcucks btfo

>>136812048
Dunno man, look at the Med, consider there's always been trade there and that one of the historical figures creditied with the foundation of Rome was Aenas, a Trojan/Turk.

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>>136816518
yeah you sure showed me

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https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html

Sage Divide and conquer threads

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>>136816496
you said something?

>>136816605
That's fulled by money alone. It's not natural.

>>136816443
Nords aren't mixed with asians...that's a meme-tier kike myth. Sad if you actually believe that

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It's true that they are niggers though, don't really know why they're so obsessed with us though. Guess it's like all other subhumans.

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>>136816605
reality

>>136816479
Well show us then and answer this

>>136815087
>>136814867
>>136814528
>>136814327

Instead of shitposting.

>blonde
It's called blond for men btw. Sad that you don't know your own language.

You seem very insecure.

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>>136812048
>WE WUZ GREEKS N SHIT
HAHAHA

>>136816359
Then you should be proud of your current standing instead of trying to change history
Otherwise you are on the same level as yakub and medievalpoc

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>>136816673
>accomplishments in 1400-1950
get with the times gramps, we are not living in the 15th century anymore

>>136816206
Give him 10 minutes and he'll post the periodic table to prove you wrong

>>136816359
Your countries' state is just a result of being irrelevant

Who would want to conquer Finland, for example? What would that achieve? A seaway to polar bears? Reindeer cooking recipes? Enlightenment through contact with the wise culture of European eskimos?

>>136816713
He's just defending against your slander, it was the Australian Celtnigger that claimed your history.

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>>136816649
wrong

interpret this data however you want, but please make sure you take note of the significant genetic differences of nords and slavs compared with other halo groups

there is definitely something in the blood that makes nords and slavs inferior

>>136816619
Again you have to lie in order to win the argument. Sad!

>>136814867
>>136814528
>>136814327

>>136816673
At this point your just a troll. You don't even attempt to answer the post Mikko made.

"There is a noticeable genetic difference between theNorthern ItaliansandSouthern Italians, with the former being close to theFrenchpopulation, while the latter overlap with bothBalkanand othersouthern Europeanpopulations.[2][6][7][8]Yet, the genetic distance between Northern and Southern Italians, although pretty large from a single European 'nationality' point of view, is only roughly equal to the one between Northern Germans and Southern Germans.The genetic gap between Northern and Southern Italians is filled by an intermediate Central Italian cluster, creating a continuous cline of variation down the peninsula (with Sardinians as outliers) that mirrors geography.[10]

Molecular anthropology found no evidence of significant Northern geneflow into the Italian peninsula over the last 1500 years. On the other hand, the bulk of Italian ethnogenesis occurred prior to Germanic or non European invasions. Geneticists agree that no migrations other than the Greek and Balkan settlement in Southern Italy and Sicily had any substantial biological impact on Italians"

>>136816713
i am not trying to do that and i don't agree with the OP. i believe that ancient Greeks had dark features, just like they have now. i just disagree with these idiots that still live in the past and compare their countries from those periods to ours from the same period, because that's all they have.

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>>136816803
You don't know what you're talking about. You're insecure and so you make silly statements that isn't backed by evidence.

>antipodian angloshit's opinion on anything short of venomous animals

>>>/out/

>>136816713
It aussie OP that did that. Just a shitpost.

>>136816803
Show flag turk.

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>>136816701
Scottish celebrities I can name off the top of my head:
>Sean Connery; brown hair and brown eyes
>Gerard Butler; brown hair and blue eyes
>Ewan McGregor: brown hair and blue eyes
those are the top celebs in scotland, no blondies there mate.

as for inventors go, pic related.
>inb4 aging brown hair counts as fair
gasping at straws eh?

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>>136816805
how is it lieing

the reality is that single little dot is all of Scandinavian scientific achievment through out history

even southern slavs have more achievments, thats insulting

even when you take the it on a per capita basis, its still embarassing

nordics are a joke of a race

>>136816747
>Who would want to conquer Finland, for example?
we don't have any natural resources in finland (other than trees) and our soil is so shit that even nowdays it's hard to grow anything, which is partly the reason for our irrelevance in the past.
but what has that do with anything i said? our quality of life is so good, that we can just sit back and relax, while the rest of the world burns

>>136816701
Perhaps you should go back to sucking off Odin's semen like the good little snownigger that you are, trying to claim med inventions is just fucking sad.

>>136817090
Majority of Nords have brown hair

>>136817155
and forgot to add that nobody wants to conquer finland. russia is the only minor threat

>>136816113

Yes, I saw that data too.

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>>136812048
This kills the nordniggers who think they are white but in reality they are mudslim rapebabies

>ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals?utm_source=newsfromscience&utm_medium=facebook-text&utm_campaign=thegreeks-14489

How the varg fags from the north caliphate can ever recover?

>>136817155
It would shatter his muh greek master race worldview

>>136816250
>>136816154
>>136816117
>>136816059
>>136815854
>>136815819
Jesus, Sven stfu the only thing your shitty country ever accomplished was being flagship of the European multi-culti movement. Your "scientists" are all niggers and your (((((white genes))))) have never contributed shit to shit even now as 1/4 of your women will get raped.

>yesterday thread about IQ
>today this
>same posts, same people, same arguments and links

Not this time /pol/. Not this time.

>>136817035
>show flag

ok btw im not even med, my dad was born in germany and mum was born in england

im just a race realists and nordics are the losers of history and their dna is inferior to the celtic master race

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>>136817264
You're stuck in the Matrix.

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>>136815294
>a literally shitskin rape products calling someone else non white

really makes me think

>>136817202
>citation required
I don't believe that for a second

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>>136817090
not true eropoens

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>>136817090
What's your point? Some actors have brown hair?

>>136817171
Lol when there's no arguments.

>>136817128
Yeah still dishonest. Not going to repeat myself.

See

>>136814867
>>136814528
>>136814327
>>136816059


>>136817254
Yeah not true and not an argument. This nu/pol/ shit needs to end.

>>136817348
Got triggered and now your posting something irrelevant to the discussion. Yes it's true that Achmed rapes a lot. They are subhumans and Britain, France, Germany, Netherlands etc. have the same problem.

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>>136817429
Here

>>136817155
It has to do with using the state of your countries as a source of pride
We may be troubled and volatile, but our state is a result of proactivity. So, when you say that our history is "all we have", I ask you to name what's more important for a nation to have. We stand out. We have a rich history, a unique culture and shit-ton of personality. What do you have? A high number of iPhones per capita?

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>>136817474

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notice how all the high school shooters have nordic and slav dna

even the fucking gooks have semi-slavic looking phenotypes

nords and slavs are literally snow niggers, i hate them

>>136816638
enjoy your chart, nerd

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>>136817480
Yeah not true and not an argument. This yiddish D&C shit needs to ends.
See? Two can play at that autistic game

>>136817695
we need to isolate that dna and find a way to send every one who carries those inferior genes to gas chambers

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>>136817480
>Got triggered and now your posting something irrelevant to the discussion

You are the one who is salty here ahmed.Like it or not science says ancient Greeks and modern day Greeks are the same.And you are too buttblasted too admit that because you are a literally muslim rape sperm

>Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v548/n7666/full/nature23310.html

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>>136817773
Agreed

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>>136817582
>notice how all the high school shooters have nordic and slav dna
>most have brown hair
lol

>>136817631
Lol not an argument. Funny how Mikko and I was the only one that posted real evidence and it's meet with edgy memes.

>>136817582
You're most likely a kike or a troll.

>>136817730
Again no evidence. Why don't you answer my posts btw? Just kike d& c.

>>136817699
>>136817699
>>136817699
Nordic hate thread get in here

>>136817812
I never said that. You're just sperging out and posting edgy memes.

God, I hate nordcucks.

>>136816359
>safe

be finnish:
>get caught in a snowstorm
die
>get mauled by yeti
die
>ice breaks under your feet
die
eat delicious rotten reindeer pizza with mammi
die
>get less than 10 m to fellow finngolian
die of reverse solitude

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>>136817934
>implying you can have a serious discussion on /pol/

wew

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>>136817837
no im proud celto settler and a race realist

i dream of a world where nordic and slavic snow niggers are not allowed to exist

i dream of a world where r1a, l1 and n3 dna is ground up and turned into dust

i dream of a world where western european men understand that breeding with snow niggers women is as bad as breeding with african women

this cant go on any longer, the nordic and slavic race must be ground up into dust and tore from the history books (even though they are barely mentioned)

>>136818148
I could before /nu/pol/ like you and the abo came.

>>136818128
You forgot:
>have to take vitamin pills just to live

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>>136817518
>what do we have have?
okay here's list of some of these things:
>one of the best educations system in world
>rich country that helps those in need, NEETbux is higher than the avg salary in Greece (yet our unemployment rates are nowhere near as yours)
>among the safest countries in the world, can literally go anywhere at night without any fears
>technologically the most advanced country in the world, which in the modern world is very important
>generally very happy people and finns are very nationalistic
>quality of life is so good, that people rarely see the need to move to different country (which can't be said of some med countries)

those were the some things from top of my head, here's some #1's >>136816638

it's true that our history isn't as great as your (not even close), but having great history won't make your life any better

>its another nordicist thread using nordicists images, sources and paintings as proof

This is like the barbarian version of we wuz kangz

>>136818326
Just because you live on a pile of oil, your populations are tiny.

Scandinavia isn't even a top economy or world player, you need not worry about anything because we'll protect you in a war.

>>136818399
>Just because you live on a pile of oil, your populations are tiny.
we don't have any oil, nor other natural resources. Norway in other hand..

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>>136817837
What post faggot? The one where your piece of shit immigrand country hasn't contributed shit to shit?

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>>136812048
>the only current meds that can pass as white now are northern Italians.
>>136812191
>nothern italians are 100% white

sorry they're out too. they're no whiter than moortuguese. less white even.

>>136818399
>you need not worry about anything because we'll protect you in a war.
and because finland has active conscription, we have nearly 1 million military trained men alone. we don't need your help

>>136812048
>iplying an Austrialian knows something of history other the Emu war.
Kys OP

>>136814129

Climate was too cold. You can be smart as hell, but it won't help crops through an early winter. That's why every time they had enough warm years to have multiple sons survive, they invaded the south looking for better farmland.

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>>136818326
>good living conditions
>happiness
Here's a happy little suicide chart
>suicides

>>136818743
yet our people are also very happy. those people that kill themselves are mostly permavirgin weebs in their early 30s, or just junkies that have too many debts to pay. in the end, what does it matter, if 100-500 worthless people off themselves?

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>>136818538
>kosovar
>Georgia tied in with Turks and Azeris
>Azeris
Nice retarded chart

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My ancestors are smiling down upon me newfag, can you say the same?

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>>136812048
I look pretty white to me desu

>>136819073
yes.

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>>136815482
>his country got taken over by a Nord and the Royal family is still his genetic line 1,000 years later

>>136818999
Yet you seem to be breeding degeneracy faster than any med state

>>136819259
Nord? No.
They were Germanic you idiot.
The Royal family has Celtic dominated genes.

Where the fuck did the Doric men come from again? I get the impression they just carved themselves out of the mountains

>>136819268
what kind of degeneracy?
i'm pretty sure Spain is far ahead of us, they're known for their leftist ideologues which automatically breeds degeneracy.

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gedmatch is fun

>euroniggers all arguing amongst themselves trying to prove who is most superior based on inventions and discoveries of Jewish and near eastern peoples
lmao you're all inferior and would be nothing without the Jews. let's just end it at that.

>>136814528
(((Germany)))

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>>136812191
that's simply not true

I'm a northern Italian and if you really think northern italians are not jews you're autistic.

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>>136819579
>N.Italian is shitskin just to spite the serbian
typical croat

>>136816113
That data is outdated and made by online users
Its false

>>136819579
This shit based on what? give the souce

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>>136819461
>What kind of degeneracy
Im not talking politics, worst fingolian poster by far.
>Suicides
>Faggotism and Sodomy
>Immigrants
Here's a faggot chart with Cyprus being the least faggot friendly EU nation

>>136819687
t. sicilian immigrant with 4% african dna with brown hair and black eyes

>>136819072
>Georgia tied in with Turks and Azeris
why is it surprising to you that countries right next to each other full of people that all look the same are genetically close?

>>136816972
>swedes aren't mongols even though they have about half as much far-east influence as turks, but greeks are turks even though they have close to zero far-east influence

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>>136819823
>Suicides
already talked about this
>Faggotism and Sodomy
why do you think finland is full of fags? i've only known one gay in my life and people are generally very disgusted about gays, but it's mostly behind their back kind of thing
>Immigrants
see the pic related.

>>136820089
most greeks look exactly like your average turk

>>136818538
I've seen a bunch of these charts that are all different. Not sure which to believe at this point. Anyone know of a definitive source or is it all biased?

>>136820155
>croatia
Bosnian Croats are now immigrants?
wew

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>>136820089
>Georgians look the same as Turks
Kys you excuse for a human

>>136820224
yes, that map includes immigrants from every country, EU included

>>136820313
>cherry picking
literally not an argument

>>136820175
why don't they cluster together on an autosomal dna chart then?

>>136820313
nice cherry picking.

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>>136820352
this map is better imo

>>136820448
that works for me too. it proves Irish anon's point wrong

>>136820415
>why don't they cluster together on an autosomal dna chart then?
No clue
But from personal experience, your average greek looks like a turk
Nothing against greeks, they just look very similar

>>136820155
Meh your nordicuck brothers aren't on the right track, and the failed specification of the fact that I don't mind the UK immigrant as much as Swedes should mind the Syrian

>>136817264

It's getting tiresome at this point, sage all slide divide and conquer threads.

>>136820313

why did you upload a group of Turks to prove your point?

>>136820625
i thought we were talking about finland only. yes scandis have been going to the wrong direction for some time now, but it seems that at least Norway has done something right (their Minister of Migration and Integration is based as fuck) and Sweden has ween waking up slowly

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>>136820404
>>136820415
>>136820751
A national sports team is cherrypicking, Oy Vey

>>136812048
this is a shitskin

australia is a shitskin country full of sneaky asiatics like slavs

>>136820908
haplotrash you irish subhuman

>>136820908
Literally shows that scandis and ex yugoslavs are proto europeans
and that southern italians and greeks share the same haplogroup with turks

>>136821048
you are slavic subhumans
mongrels and scum

>>136821048
turks are mongrels mixed with Greeks

you slavic subhuman with inferiority complex

>>136812048
>DNA tests don't exist

>>136812048
There are white Greeks, but they are minority. I wish white Greeks considered shitskins as children of traitors and purged them.

>>136821048
Wasn't addressing South italians and Greeks?

>>136821178
Greeks are white

this is the albanian in kosovo
sneaky subhuman with inferiority complex

>>136821214
sorry wrong lad
I guess you might be right, they look unique

>>136821313
slavs are subhumans

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>>136821242
I am white Serb with dark blonde hair and blue eyes, but my father is a shitskin while my uncle is white. Funny thing, they are brothers.

>>136821346
nice
at least we're not manlets

>>136821363
albanians are subhumans

>>136821364
croats are ugly
height does not matter if you are ugly

>>136820537
Have you ever beeen in Greece? Greeks look FAR from Turks.

>>136821363
thats normal here
my brother has brown hair and eyes meanwhile i am a ginger

>>136821455
gingers are subhumans

>>136821427
>croats are ugly
t. butthurt shitskin
>>136821442
like i said it was from personal experience, i visited corfu

>>136821497
fuck you faggot

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>>136821178
white greeks are descendants of slavs from the byzantine era, while med greeks are more similar to the ancient greeks who were actually slightly darker.

>>136821534
you are angry because its true
dinarics are ugly subhumans
they have similarities to armenoids and amerindians

slavs are subhumans

>>136821560
fuck croatia

Why are so many Indians into scamming over the phone?

>>136821580
why are you so butthurt
nobody cares what you think

>>136821565
they arent you asian shitskin

>>136821614
then why do you reply to me all the time you stupid slavic subhuman

slavs are ugly subhumans
it makes you angry because its true

>>136821595
fuck you too ahmed
>>136821618
kys

>>136821618
the genetic evidence disagrees with you.

>>136821661
and greeks are attractive?

>>136821427
My family is Orthodox Christian.
>>136821580
>Slavs are subhuman
Should I purge Slavs or re-educate them with force?

>>136821664
slavs are subhumans

>>136821672
no it doesnt
you shitskin

>>136821698
more than croats

>>136821703
albanians are subhumans

>>136821727
what is that based on?
your personal opinion?
>>136821706
so are you

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>>136821534
>I visited Corfu
Ew no, I lives there for 2 years, there are no Greeks there, only albanians that have greek first names i.e. Vasili Mehmeti, Christos Motsis, Alexandros Hatzi etc..

>>136821760
yes
i have seen many croats and other yugoslavshits
you are ugly slavic subhumans

>>136821765
Corfu is a Greek island populated by Greeks you irish subhuman

>>136821797
Is there a way to fix Yugoshits?

>>136812048
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
http://observer.com/2017/08/dna-testing-solves-mystery-ancient-greeks-origins/

>>136821852
yes

>>136821797
so its not an argument
i've visited greece and honestly you guys are ugly as hell
not gonna lie

>>136821819
Again, I lived there φίλε, it's a 50% island, the Greeks and Italians are white while the albos are brown

>>136821911
Greeks are Mediterraneans

you have an inferiority complex and are jealous of Greeks

yugoslavs are ugly slavic subhumans

>>136821917
it is 100% Greek island

>>136821872
Re-education like in Nork?

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>>136821534
You visited Corfu and you came into the conclusion that Greeks look like Turks? Lmao.

You are delusional. Just because you found some shitskins with Greek citizenship doesnt mean that Greeks look like the Turks.


Literally kys.

Im 100% pure Greek. Find me a turk shitskin with that skin colour.

>>136822001
no but we could bomb all their cities

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>>136812191
>nothern italians are 100% white
no we're not

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>>136821970
Tell that to Vasili Mehmeti, Alex Hatzi, Christos Motsis, Iliana Gliaveri and Bilal... just Bilal

>>136821854
>https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
>iran
>from the east
>brown hair, brown eye
>sample size of 30

>>136822139
mixed with too much germ filth

>>136822174
albanians are subhumans

>>136822182
what is wrong with that you shitskin with inferiority complex?

>>136822222
They are, but they populate greece like parasites

>>136822183
that's just a meme, we have nothing in common with fags above the alps

>>136812048

baka

fucking bogans are more challenged than burgers

>>136822278
i was born to remove the parasites

>>136822298
i have hundrets of photos which prove you wrong

>>136822302
australia is full of asian shitskins

>>136822319
Then remove the Shqipshits from Corfu, it's become a shithole resort and one of the shittiest islands in Greece and the Ionian

>>136812048
Sure a dude in literally the other corner of the world can explain us about Roman Empire etnicy cause a re-painted statue and Varg told you. Sure you both, miles and miles away, know more about us than our selves.

It´s not that there are tons and tons of art which didn´t lost it´s color where, ofc, they´re not nordic.
Better believe random citizens from cucked nations who went full WE WUZ so they can be proud of something while they let their nation drown.

>>136822366
phenotype != genotype

>>136822420
why?

>>136822427
phenotype is the only thing that matters to humans who dont browse 4chan

>>136814327
ROMANIA WINS AGAIN

>>136814327
this is copy paste work
you subhuman

>>136822543
Because of Shqipshit alboniggers

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>>136822182
>iranians are shitskins
Iranians are Persians you fucking idiot.Persians were even more technologically advanced than ancient Greeks.

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>>136822543
people who don't go deeper into the matter are subhumans
there's Iranians and north African tribes that can look white, doesn't mean they are really white
Italians are 100% south European

Italians are NOT white.

>>136817480

from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free you disgusting kike parasite. You shills are becoming more and more obvious these days,

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>>136822768
this guy gets it

>>136822609
what are they doing there?

>>136822712
iranians are shitskin mongrels

>>136822714
yes i go to every person and ask for dna samle so i can test if they are really white

>>136822884
>yes i go to every person and ask for dna samle so i can test if they are really white
no need to, if someone is native from Italy you can be very sure he is not genetically white

>>136812048
>true whites
Stop with this fucking bullshit already. You are not an authority on the matter, you don't get to decide who is white and who isn't. Full stop.

>>136822768
nor were the Romans

and thank god for that

>>136812048
stop acting like "ancient" is the same as "ancient"
The greeks from 2000 years ago were ancient, but the greeks from 3300 years ago were also ancient.
But from one of those times we have blonde heroes like Achilles with red-headed children due to the indo-european conquering that was going on back then and from the other we don't have so many since they obviously mixed with the local mediterraneans over the centuries.
Look up indo-european migrations, anglonigger and don't lump thousands of years together like a retard.

>>136818569
(((australian)))

>>136822884
Shitting in the streets and retareded graffiti on historic monuments

STOP TAKING THE BAIT. It's obviously a kike. Don't reply to this post. Report, hide and move on.

>>136812048
Italians are not white, we are above whiteness, we are SUPER WHITE

>>136823276
HWHITE

>>136822991
>You are not an authority on the matter
Are you?
Can you please tell me who in fact IS an authority on this matter?

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>>136823110
>Blonde Achilles with ginger children
Bahahahajhhahhahaha wtf is wrong with you Hanz? Achilles is a Myth, and he supposedly had one son. Too much nigger sperm isn't good for you Hanz, it makes you all deluded and wewuz kangz n shieet

>>136823276
What about southern italy?

>>136823604
They are the niggers of super whites

It's funny that Germany is being raped by sandniggers ,but you all argue about Italians being white...

>>136823579
>myth
Whether he was an actual person or based on an amalgamation of people matters little, Homer sang about shit that went down a couple of centuries ago but which probably happened, as showcased by him mentioning things he could not have known otherwise, like former cultural hubs, fortresses or customs which simply didn't exist during his time.
Plus, we have ample archeological evidence which proves the migration of indo-europeans around that time.
Achilles, as a lord, was most likely of the indo-european ruling class of that time, after the indo-europeans conquered Greece.
For more information, go to wikipedia and look up indo-european migrations, Mycenian Greece and similar topics.
If you dislike that, read a book, nigger. I suggest the Introduction of the Illustrated Odyssey translated from Homer by E.V. Rieu, the introduction is written by Jacquetta Hawkes and gives a very good rundown on ancient (as in, really ancient) history of Greece from over 3000 years ago, supplied with facts, studies, archeological evidence and even nice pictures so uneducated children like you can keep on reading.

t. literal expert on the topic


tldnr: potato nigger btfo

>>136824055
lol

>>136824149
there's no evidence the Indo-European groups that migrated into Anatolia and Greece were particularly fair
the oldest IE culture from the pontic caspian steppe was not particularly fair(darker than moden south Euros as a whole)

the Myceneans recently analyzed were all brown haired and brown eyed, including the woman from the elite burial

>>136822174
>Mehmeti
I assume that if there were Albanians there, they would still be Orthodox ones. There's no history of Albanians and Kerkyra (or Ionian in general) and I especially can't imagine how Muslim Albanians would find themselves in a Greek island they have nothing to do with.

>Hatzi
Not Albanian, or Muslim for that matter. Χατζής and Χατζη- as a prefix exists in all Greek-populated states. It implies a person that has been a monk in Jerusalem for some time. It is Arabic in etymology, but point is that it's been in use across Greece for centuries.

>Motzis, Gliaveri
Just because a name isn't Papa-whatever or Something-opoulos doesn't mean that it's not a Greek surname. There are some weirdass surnames that come from random nicknames. And even if they have some Albanian etymology, it doesn't mean that the people that have them are Albanian. Epirus has had Albanian influence, and people of Greek origin are known to have been partially linguistically Albanized, for example the Souliotes. Kind of the reverse thing from Arvanites.

Kerkyra is not 50% Albanian, get out of here. I have little doubt in fact that there are basically no Albanians there. Albanians are in the mainland, because that's where the jobs they do in Greece are.

>>136824149
>Homer sang
He was an author, not a rhapsode, and he wrote stories, he was not a historian, mr. Expert thats why they're called Epics.
Achilles is a myth, Just like Odysseus.
He was not ginger, gingers would not be able to survive in Greece and Anatolia. Stfu you deluded child

t. actual Greek that read all the books in primary

>>136824309
You mean except the stuff we have in writing which clearly states it, right?

>the oldest IE culture from the pontic caspian steppe was not particularly fair(darker than moden south Euros as a whole)
Irrelevant.

>the Myceneans recently analyzed were all brown haired and brown eyed, including the woman from the elite burial
Because most of them were still mediteranneans the indo-europeans mixed with and one woman proves little, especially since there's no reason why a lord wouldn't fuck some hot bitch just because she's dark-haired.

I get your point, but I don't think your point matters, you desperately want them to be dark-haired, but blondes were never complete absent from Greece, just really, really fucking rare aside from some isolated island populations.
In addition, how do you explain Achilles being referred to as blonde numerous times (and I really mean numerous times and without vague meanings or shit like that) and his son being a red-head (which is where he got the name Phyrros from).
Talk shit if you want to, but there are too many blonde or redheaded people in those old stories to blame it on
>lel misinterpretations
>lel coincidences
>lel just randumb stuff
Especially because shit like the boar tusk helm, the fallen cities and the roadwork described by Homer all show that he was obviously quite accurate about shit that had changed in his times quite a while already. The fact that you say that the haircolour is somehow an exception is pretty dumb, m8.

>>136824448
They were all albanian, orthodox or not, they were shitskin albanian subhumans with Turk last names

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>>136824668
>He was an author, not a rhapsode, and he wrote stories, he was not a historian, mr. Expert thats why they're called Epics.
Except that he was right about what he sang and didn't write stories, he sang them from memory, stop talking shit about things you obviously have no idea about.

>Achilles is a myth, Just like Odysseus.
Refer to what I wrote above, he was most likely based on one or several people, I have no information on Odysseus in that regard but the same probably holds true for him as well, especially since we have linear-b tablets with names from Homers stories mentioned long before Homer sang of them or lived.

>He was not ginger, gingers would not be able to survive in Greece and Anatolia.
Lel, you have no fucking idea. not only is not every ginger a pasty irishman, the sun also doesn't fucking kill them and the ruling class wouldn't be constantly in it anyway.

>t. actual Greek that read all the books in primary
Good for you, but you have shown that you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about several times already.

>mfw Greeks always act like they are knowledgable about these topics and always come up short
>muh deminiggers

L
O
L

>>136824907
you seem upset

>Irrelevant.
relevant, since you seem to link fair features to IE groups

you desperately want them to have been particularly fair, and unless you have some serious counter evidence, they weren't
your """evidence""" is from epics that although seem to have been based on some serious happenings from Greek past, are not meant to be histories and are full of blatantly unrealistic stuff

sure, they'd probably be fairier than Minoans, but hardly anything close to north European fair
your arrogance/smugness is only a sign of your insecurity

>>136814129
This. I do not deny some southern italian admixture but it is rather insignificant. This "italian are not white" shit stems from the fact that many Germans colonized italy. meds are naturally of darker complexion.
Shits me though how its ALWAYS an Ausposter pushing this shit non stop. They have an unjustified hatred of Italians for reasons i dont not care to go into at this time.
I have never and will never consider myself as an anglo (which seems to be strongly associated with being "white" in broad terms) I am however thoroughly European genetically and Australian by nationality. As much as you anglos piss me off i cannot help to realize that we are closer to eachother than we are to other races so when the shit hits the fan its quite obvious who i shall stand with.
Just lose the exceptionalism and constant insecure bitch posting about this crap. Its literally jew tier. Your ancestors have accomplishments mine do also. I have been down this road countless fucking times and im really just over it at this point.

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>>136825159

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer
Long paragraphs or bullshit wont prove your point retard, Homer didnt sing, he was a Poet, yes he knew it all by heart, but he also wrote it faggot. Here's your beloves wikipedia. Oh and all gingers come from Scotland, it's a genetic mutation and they all burn very easily.

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>>136825159
Was this Achilles?

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>>136825771
Or this?

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>>136825805
Kys?

>>136825420
>you seem upset
Kinda having fun tbqh, you obviously read up on some of the stuff but you being wrong doesn't make you not entertaining to talk to, I'm sure I can also learn some stuff from you.

>relevant, since you seem to link fair features to IE groups
I do, you pointing out one case where they were darker doesn't change much though, does it? It's like an sjw going "not every nigger is dumb, look at..."

>your """evidence""" is from epics that although seem to have been based on some serious happenings from Greek past, are not meant to be histories and are full of blatantly unrealistic stuff
The epics and archeological evidence which supports it. And the blatantly unrealistic stuff tends to be sharply cut off from the realistic things, especially the weapons make that clear since the heroes of old in Homer always use copper weapons (which they would have during their time) while others, normal soldiers and so on often use iron weapons even though that's ahistorical.
A ton of the shit Homer mentioned is backed up by archeological evidence by now, we have the fallen fortresses he couldn't have known about, the over 1000 ships with crews and home-havens he sang of (terribly boring to read through), the road-network which obviously didn't exist anymore during his time, shit like the boar-tusk helmet, armour from that time, trinkets and tools that weren't around during his time, etc. etc. You seem to think that just because I mention the epics means that I draw all of my information from there, you also seem to think that every piece of information from there is questionable, both is simply incorrect.
Also, learn how to greentext.

>sure, they'd probably be fairier than Minoans, but hardly anything close to north European fair
Blondes come in different shades, but some lighter and darker blonde characters come up and pale with red-hair is pretty clear I think.

>your arrogance/smugness is only a sign of your insecurity
Learn 2 handle the banter, m80

>>136825551
>Homer didnt sing
>http://www.ancientgreece.com/s/People/Homer/
> He was the son of Epikaste and Telemachus. Born around 8th - 9th century B.C. he was said to be a court singer and a story teller.
You're literally retarded m8, why do you think his
>VERSES
were structured the way they were with the metre they had?

> Oh and all gingers come from Scotland, it's a genetic mutation and they all burn very easily.
HAHAHAHA

>>136825771
>>136825805
>>136825837
>post mixed niggers to refute that blondes were around
>acts like Homer didn't sing
>clearly hasn't looked at Homers works in the original
Luh mayo
tee bee aj

>>136825915
You should not be on 4chan

>>136816638

Lol literally what did that prove, you blond haired faggot? That your women are sluts? already knew that. Or is it that you faggots drink more milk and cuck to femenism and cultural marxism easily (Weak minded and low T)? Again, already knew that, faggot.

I can't imagine the mental gymnastics that one must do to be proud of being a Finn, a worthless fucking country that's entire history has been enslavement honestly thinks he's better than fucking ITALY because he drinks more milk, honestly fucking madness.

>>136825915
>I do, you pointing out one case where they were darker doesn't change much though, does it? It's like an sjw going "not every nigger is dumb, look at..."
the difference is that I mentioned to you the earliest IE culture known, which means that IE are not necessarily linked to depigmentation, pretty simple logic, unless you think they magically developed lighter traits once they left the steppe to the south by virtue of speaking proto-IE
moreover, the Anatolian and Greek branches are some of the oldest ones, ergo the associated groups might have come straight into the Balkans and Anatolia from the Yamnaya steppe without mixing with any fairier peoples up north

the fact that archeological evidence is in line with some of the things told by Homer is also irrelevant, since being familiar with the general setting of the Aegean civilization and the territory is vastly different from knowing personally about the looks of people who lived likely many centuries before you and that you heard of only by oral transmission, which is very susceptible to manipulation

your """evidence""" is rather scarce by any standard

AYO HOLD UP
*Builds a mud hut*
SO YOU BE SAYING
*Worships Thor*
THAT WE
*Raids the Anglo Saxons*
WUZ SOME KINNA
*Sails in a longboat*
ROMANS AND SHEEEEEEIT?

3 of the best roman emperors were hispanics.
Marcus Aurelio had a hispaniard grandfather.


Non of the 5 great emperors were blond

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>>136826144
>Verses
It's an Epic Poem, poems have verses, there is no mention of him singing, Rhapsodes sang, Homer was not a Rhapsode he was a Poet, Poet=/=song. Homer was a Poet, poem=/=song, poems have verses, Homer was a Poet.
As for his background check, nobody asked for that bit good job on googling, now send me some pics of non pasty gingers

Lusiadas = best epic

>>136826242
Painfully true.
Finland cant compete with a single city state much less the entire peninsula

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Nords are blon-

>>136826185
>26 posts
you shouldn't get so triggered, lil negro

>>136826457
>the earliest IE culture known,
That only matters if you show me that they were exactly the ones who moved to Greece during that time.
Which is bullshit of course since the indo-europeans who moved to greece weren't the oldest ones we knew

>the Anatolian and Greek branches are some of the oldest ones, [...] might have come straight into the Balkans and Anatolia from the Yamnaya steppe without mixing with any fairier peoples up north
Funky shit, but the indo-europeans who went into greece didn't come from anatolia but from the north of Greece and invaded from there, so no.

>the fact that archeological evidence is in line with some of the things told by Homer is also irrelevant, since being familiar with the general setting of the Aegean civilization and the territory
Ah, that's what you didn't get.
Okay, I'll explain it again:
It's relevant because he obviously WASN'T familiar with the mycenian culture before him, maps weren't really a thing and he couldn't have known about many of the things you described.
You realize that the shit Homer sang about didn't happen yesterday when he was around, right?

>which is very susceptible to manipulation
Great point, proves nothing though.
All you say here is "it's possible that it wasn't so" and yeah I admit that, sure it could have been different, but you've failed to give a reason why you're right yet and have only given reasons why I COULD be wrong. Not saying that those don't have value, but you can always make them, so if you only make them and if the experts and my own research agrees with me you'll have a hard time convincing anybody but the irish greek guy with the soon to be 30 posts.

>your """evidence""" is rather scarce by any standard
You just dismiss it too easily based on what you want to believe.
If it makes you feel better, I'm not saying ancient Greeks were nordic or any shit like that, don't worry.

>>136827185
>Bernadottes
>Nords

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>>136827194
Lol I win, back to school Hanz

>>136827185
Learn your own history. Your royal family is not Swedish, but French.

>>136827280
>Finns
>Not Chinese

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>>136826547
Ah, you're just being an autist about it.
So you'll tell me that the lyrics, accompanied by a Lyra (you know that funky, fiddely music thingy), in a melody and with set cadences were "spoken" then?

As for the pic, I even picked an actual ginger and not just a normal person with red hair
>inb4 there are no normal people with red hair
nigger, get out of ireland some time

>>136827300
It's all kinds of european my mountain friend

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>>136827295
>win

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Nords are blon--

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>Nords are blon_

>>136812630
>>136814327

So we all agree Britain is the master race, yes?

>>136827433
Homer didn't play lyra, or right lyrics. If you want to argue bullshit, prove it. He wrote stories based on events that happened hundreds of years before he was born, his anachronism was literature and it was ficticious, there were actual historians for history, homer was not one of them. Now please a citation that cleary states he sang like a rhapsode and that his poems were historical and that Achilles was not a myth. That ginger looks burned to the stake, look at the skin around her eyebrows, pasty asf

>>136827661
This thread isn't about nords man, jesus

>>136827828
Newfag

>>136827562
That guy is blonde, but dark blonde