MGTOW THREAD

Fuck off.

Just part of the war against family values.

MGTOW as a movement, is radical and it attempts to grow itself by encouraging hatred and absolute distrust of all women.

If you want to personally be MGTOW because you believe it's right for you then sure go ahead. You're probably able to acknowledge that you have your own issues then, it's not just society's and women's fault. It's hard to make things work in the current circumstances, and it is risky and not everyone will be willing to go along with it. It takes certain skills to make it work out and the motivation has to be there.

>>136170483
>MGTOW as a movement, is radical and it attempts to grow itself by encouraging hatred and absolute distrust of all wome

> because that is totally not completely well adjusted to empirical reality and the actualy esisting factual world
> cucking is better, yall
> MGTOWs are totally in the wrong, they just bitter
> Y'all go out and marrry
> *rubbing hands*

t. shlomo cuckistani

>>136170483
>it attempts to grow itself by encouraging hatred and absolute distrust of all women.

Can't blame them

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>>136170483
>it's not just society's and women's fault
> totally not.
> women have nothing to do with that
> it's all men's fault
> MGTOWs are just bitter for no reason and absolutely not justified or anything
> go out and marry some female
> *rubbs hands jewishly*

>>136172815
>>136173420
Look you faggots, that's what I'm talking about. I was NOT putting all the blame on men, but you have to pretend I'm a kike that wants men to be exploited. You guys are autistic about this. I said that many MGTOWs can't accept ANY of the blame and you are perfect examples of this.

I watched a few MGTOW videos and frankly things become a lot clearer when you see those guys talk kek. I mean, they look ordinary. A lot of them older guys. They have jobs. Some wealthy. They could get married if they wanted. Many already have. But they have issues and it's so funny to watch. They seem so obvious to it. They're plenty red pilled (and that's important), that's not the problem. But only a very fucked up or stupid woman would put up with them in the long term with all of their emotional issues and the way they relate to women. It's really something you have to see, you can't really figure it out just reading their post. They make themselves sound reasonable then (but they cannot actually be reasoned with).

>>136175045
Women are soulless monsters who love to abuse and hurt men.

Society encourages them with that, MGTOW is a way to fight this peacefully. Roasties should be glad that MGTOWs don´t roam the streets armed for a gynocide after all the harm which women have done to innocent males.

Since kindergarden they try to castrate us and destroy, devalue and dehumanize us for our gender.

They put us on drugs which destroy us For (((ADHD))), "Autism" or other stuff if we don´t behave like little girls.

They fuck us over in every way possible while mocking and ridiculing us.

Women are soulless Monsters, this is what the last decades have shown, and i think MGTOW is a very soft approach of dealing with those creatures.

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>>136175045

well if thats your opinion : have fun and troll on. that easy cop-out for ure head there
> ( "they totally are just having issues. totally it's their fault, nothing to see here, actually they have zero reasons, they hare just hypochindring there. false rape accusation avalanches dont exist, marriage is fair and totally not total slavery against men, the whole system values men and men have totaly so many rights and are absolutely treated with all reaspect and as humans in court, by the state, by women, by the system in general )
doesnt really match with the real world , like : AT ALL - but hey, sure, if it makes u feel better and be able to cope better with reality ( by basically going full stockholm style (, then well, so be it. have fun and dont complain, when reality kicks u in the nuts sooner or later. enjoy as long as u can.
stockholming IS a viable option ( untill it's not ).

cheers

>>136175631
>They put us on drugs which destroy us For (((ADHD))), "Autism" or other stuff if we don´t behave like little girls.

unless you are born to jew parents or your parents work for them

that is where Chad comes from

double standards of society AND UNDER THE FUCKING LAW

>>136175631
Women are soulless monsters who love to abuse and hurt men.

>has never been with a woman

>>136175631
Holy shit dude. This is next level.
Alright whatever. When it's absurd like that I can get on board with it.
GAS THE ROASTIES
MGTOW UPRISING NOW
THE FIRE RISES

>>136175631
>i think MGTOW is a very soft approach of dealing with those creatures.


this. I am for FULL SHARIA against women.

women MUST not have rights.
Women rights MUST not be accepted.
women MUST not be served, respected, helped, etc .
they need to be treated as the underevolved, parasitice, soulles lesser-creatures that they are.
they deserve to be slaves at max, IF they behave well.

and yes, i absolutely mean that.

a girl hurt my feelings but worse than that, she bruised my ego

>>136175956

jumping into a volcano kills you

> has never jumped into a volcano

HMMM, really makes u think ( not YOU ofc, because obviously ure a naturally born imbecil )

>>136175956
>>136175995
Yes i mean look at all those women standing up against the discrimination, dehumanization and hate against men which is now deeply rooted in our society.

They for sure are great people for enjoying it silently and siding with the feminists.

I won´t be with a women who refuses to treat me as equal. I`m tired of being discriminated.

And all their lies about "oppression" which never happened, you don´t have to be a genius to see how low on empathy and moral they are.

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>>136175045
Fuck off back to plebbit with your kekistani flag newfag

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>>136169250
MGTOW worships this cunt, but hates every other woman. That's all you need to know.

delicate sensibilities
such sensitive souls
no roastie shall ever (again) trample my pure pure heart

>>136169250
It's just a reaction to the thing that women with their feminism and egalitarianism degenerated to subhumans and marriage became a jail for men.

a bunch of ugly virgins that can't get laid, so they pretend they don't actually want women to somehow feel better. they don't even know what having a woman feels like.

>>136175777
>actually they have zero reasons
No, I don't think that. Women and society have a lot of the blame. But MGTOWs choose to generalize all women, which is wrong. The problem *cannot* be all women, it can only be you.
The thing is that the relations between men and women just keep getting worse. There are less and less men and women who are even able to have healthy relationships. There's a lot of sex alright, but less long-term, functional relationships.
If you want to get married and have a family, it's getting more and more likely that you won't find anyone with whom it might work out. That's the rational alternative to MGTOW to me: be *extremely* careful in your mate choices, be a great man yourself, and you've got to be fully willing to accept the possibility that you won't find a good woman. Because there aren't enough. Far from enough. Deciding in advance that you won't find one and closing yourself off to the idea isn't rational though.

>>136169250
not being a vagina slave nor spawining any more kids in this world is a OK in my view

>>136176769
>MGTOW worships this cunt

what ?
ok u feminsit subhuman, try larp somewhere else ... u subhuman excrement

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>>136175950

and this is why MGTOW should be encouraged to become lawyers, police officers, FBI/CIA and Financial intelligence/ IRS/ Treasury/ Security Exchange Commission employees

not to mention those roles are better off for unmarried men, the stress and time away from home kills relationships. MGTOW would also make good professors/ academics/ journalists so they can preach the redpill to future generations.

be wary of sock puppet characterizations of MGTOW (inb4 the superhero propaganda picture), MGTOW scares the shit out of both the jews, women and the PUA faggots who want to be friends with betas so they make themselves appear more egalitarian and can leech off the "betas" female friends

However, if we DO want to have a good literary caricature of MGTOW, then I think Obi Wan Kenobi would be a good example

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>>136169250
die you feminist with a dick

>>136177006

> inbe4 u in jail cuz false rape charge, because some cunt didnt get from u what she wanted or had a bad day.

i lol at u, u faggit

>>136169250

MGTOW is the amgsty, neckbeard, incel virgin version of what Christians have know for almost two thousand years now as Paul's "Even as I myself" call.

MGTOW is useless and only contributes to the idea that a life of rightful christian celibacy and self protection is something only a faggoty angsty neckbeard who hates women can be involved in.

>>136170483
Hating all women is dumb.
Distrusting all women is not, no one is worthy of trust until they've earned it.

get over it faggots

>>136177353
>claiming a (((christian))) moral high ground to shame and slander MGTOW

dont even start

MGTOW is for fuckin losers and that's the bottom line.

>>136177099
>and this is why MGTOW should be encouraged to become lawyers, police officers, FBI/CIA and Financial intelligence/ IRS/ Treasury/ Security Exchange Commission employees

this.

remove female rights
completely destroy women
make them slaves
it's the only sure state for society and children.

since women unfortunately are that extremely hard underevolved, that they have ZERO sense for jsutice, but completely and exusively exist of egofascistm, parasitism annd hate.

its WOMEN that are the biggest danger to society, to children, to the elderly and ofc also men. basically for everybody.
theyy would sell their gradnparents and kill their kids if they get any profit / advantages from that.

they are lazy parasitic scum and neet to be contained.

>>136169250
It's my only option unless I am to date ugly fat chicks.

>>136177216
why the two hanged ones got shuffled?

>>136177487

>For I would that every man were even as I myself, but each man hath his proper gift of God; one after this manner and another after that.

If you need anything more to justify a life of Christian Celibacy, then you're an angry neckbeard faggot who doesn't have to worry about being in a relationship anyway.

>>136177006
That kind of shaming doesn't work all that well on men. Especially not on men here. It doesn't work *at all*. It mostly has the opposite effect.
It's true that a lot of men just drop out of the dating game. They see women have all the power there and that competition is too intense, they become demoralized and they drop out. They play vidyas and watch porn. They might not call themselves MGTOW but the effect is the same. Marriage/birth rate down. Have to make up for it with immigration.
You'd think that an hypersexualized society (where people judge men based on how much sex they're having) would encourage men to seek partners, but we've reached a point were it's really encouraged the "alphas take all" dynamic and more and more low-tier men stop caring.

MGTOW doesn't sound like a plan to me but those guys have some points.

People like >>136177536 are just pumping out the same retarded shit that got us into this mess.

>>136177636

it also goes after their mobster thug sugar daddies and organized criminal human traffickers/ money launderers in the (((entertainment industry)))

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>>136169250

In all honesty OP, i encourage most white men to marry a strong right winged woman to raise white children but I myself see women as a liability currently. Most women marry men for their money, I have no trust in the female unit since the education system is brain washing them. We fucked up in the 60s by letting women into the economy and giving our rights up to minorities. Sorry /pol/ but not sorry.

>>136177760

im an atheist christcuck , and most MGTOW probably are as well

>>136177040
it's called a generalization because generally speaking it's generally true.

50% of marriages end in divorce, and women initiate nearly all divorces. Modern marriage is a game of Russian Roulette with three of the chambers loaded. With so much at stake, you'd have to be a fool to play such a dangerous game with such stacked odds.

>>136177792
Pretty much this.
Saying "LOL, LOSERS" on 4chan pretty much does nothing.
Plus, most of the guys here don't actually give two fucks.

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again
the ONLY option - wheter u yet understand why or not - is :

thX FULL SHARIA against women / make women slaves / property of men.

women MUST not have rights.
Women rights MUST not be accepted.
women MUST not be served, respected, helped, etc .
Women need to be treated as the underevolved, parasitic, mentally retarded, soulles lesser-creatures that they are.
Women deserve to be slaves at max, IF they behave well.

and yes, i absolutely mean that.
Eveerything else is TOXIC for society and with that for the future of children, ALL children....

>>136177659
becuase its a shitty bad edit for nigger faggots.

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>>136170483
>Just part of the war against family values.
I won't argue that MGTOW's growth reflects the campaign to destroy the nuclear family. But the difference is that MGTOW is a symptom of dysfunction and not the cause. The dead-set tradcons reminds me of folks who still, somehow, have faith in our mainstream political parties. Because they cannot imagine an alternative like voting third party, or voting for some anti-establishment, they'll consciously vote for the exact opposite of what they want.

Pic related, I would love to have that. Most women probably do too if they could think in terms of action and consequence. But until society values family and matriarchs, and women are competing to be the best matriarch of the biggest family, this shit is a fucking fantasy. Your wife will be unhappy, is financially incentivized to leave, and you kids will be sick. I grew up in a broken home, I know what that shit is like for little kids. We need changes to divorce law, family court, alimony, repeal affirmative action to push women into careers they can't handle, and sexual norms need to be reestablished. Chads can wet their dick into complacency, but they are parallel culture to feminism, not counter-culture.

I don't shame the beta uprising because they're pulling financial assistance from a parasitic system. Feminism now has a growing failed endgame of spinsterhood and cat adoption. This is the only route I see right now to anything changing for the better.

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I'll do the honors.

>>136177866
Honestly I'm kind of MGTOW too. But it's because of my own issues. I have problems. I might have wanted to have a family but I can't see it working out. I've had a girlfriend that I loved for a few years and that's enough for me. It was really great, but also taxing (for me), and I was difficult to deal with for her. We made each others happy though and she was my best friend. I know some women are great and that it could work out because I have her as an example. I can't hate all women because of that. I really hope everyone gets to have this at least once in their lives. And make it work out, and make babies, and prepare them to DEUS VULT.

>>136178334
i don´t hate women i just think they are mean.

I guess you are overreacting.

I just don´t like it that they abused me all the time, and also nobody cares about me getting raped because i´m a guy.
I don´t really want to hurt them, they are beautiful and lovable. I just hate how they treat me and am very afraid of them, and since weakness makes their vaginas dry there is little opportunity to carry on after surviiving my abusive relationship, because they will be repulsed about how vulnerable and hurt i am .
Maybe you should work some things in your past out, you really sound like a muslim.

Women are probably not the devil itself, but yes they mistreat men very badly in our society.

It won´t help you to become as evil as them. You are probably only goign to create more victims who will become predators themselves.

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>>136178641

and there it is, the shills realized they could no longer defend shit like pic related with a straight face as real so they had to resort to cartoons

SAD

also, might I sad (((the Rebel))) is controlled opposition

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>>136178777
He's here lads

>>136169305
FPBP

This is basically what MGTOW means,fuck off women

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>>136178888
>Quads

I-I surrender! Please take my wife's pussy!

Oh wait I don't have a wife because I'm pretty much MGTOW too, though I do keep an eye out for a NAWALT

>>136169250
It's just not what supposed to happen after traditional structure collapse. It will not change shit. Do you remember Elliot Rogers? He did the right thing. Every frustrated male needs to become one. Do you know why? Monogamy was important rule since ancient times for a reason, by laws of nature and biology man supposed to go after life and females of more successful man if there is no women left for him. But instead of reminding society about importance of monogamy hard way they just fucking surrender. This is just sad right now, but perhaps as situation worsens, many more will achieve understanding.

>>136178641

u really just dont get it, do u ?
ure either a woman or have otherwise a brain like a child or a retard. u just dont get it. AT ALL.
MGTOW dont WANT the parasitegender around them ( except maybe for pump and dump ). they keyword is WANT. Does ure walnut brain get that ?

But anyway u HAVE a role in that geme : since u are that beta pussy worshipper, u are typically entertains and provides for the parasi -- erm female 95% of the time.
the other 5% of the time chads and MGTOWs pump and dump ure beloved female parasite in the meantime.

well, who am i talking to ... an idiot on whom my words will prolly be lost anyway ....

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>>136179120
I just love seeing how hard that meme triggers MGTOW. lel, never fails

>>136179215
>muh we must have 10 white children to save our race #stopwhitegenocide

Seriously that is a pathetic way to get sex,just pay for it

>>136179065

((traditional structure))) is not what we think it is

traditional structure is undemocratic, polygamous tribalism with no currency

AKA, Organized crime, they are not effected by a collapse (probably improve from a collapse) unless you have rouge SpecOps/ Intel people from the former government stealing equipment/ facilites and hunting them down because who else is going to stop them

Any guy thats put his all into a marriage and his kids. And have his wife turn around and fuck him. Taking him for all his shit and the next 18years child support. I wouldnt blame that guy for going MGTOW and trying to warn other young men of the dangers. Todays society is a train wreck with high level of divorces,vain whores etc. MGTOW needs to redpill us with hard facts like prenups not working,suicide rates 4 men etc. And also cut down any men that sleep with married women, and do us all a favor.

>>136179215
>und

aha. really ?

what 'triggers' me is that level of retardednes, of pure 100% imbecil phenotype that u display there,
that is what triggers my brain.
i know i should learn, that i cannot change retards to the better by trying to educate them. NOONE can cure idiocy.

but hey, again, my words .. lost on you anyway.

couldnt care less about ure retard memes btw. but hey : try harder, faggit.

oh hey and :
thanks for feeding the roasties for us and keeping them arm for us, 'bro'.
u're the shit, man ! so good u are! wew, lad !. total respect for u, 'bro'. just keep on doing what ure doing, u do everythhing right, 'bro' :)

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>>136178888

>>136179680
Can you just...... type out "you", all the way? All three letters buddy. It takes such a little effort to be taken that much more seriously. I'm thinking you are 18 tops

>>136177216
>jew
>turn into a table lamp

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>>136169250
Listen to these two videos. MGTOW summarized perfectly, especially the first one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI2Yt2lbMaA&t=604s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9zEI6Sbrw&t=326s

>>136169250
just dont marry bitches

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>>136178888
>Checked
I am forced to consider theory now.

i know op is trolling, but why do you people even post here, has nothing to do with politics, more like >>>/r9k/

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>>136169250
Beta cucks scared of competing in the hierarchy.

Absolute degeneracy, in its truest sense. It neither cultivates healthy relationships between the genders or leads to procreation. Ultimately, it's contributing to the downfall of the West.

Get off your fat angry asses, learn a skill, get a job, get in shape, and hop to it you betas.

No one likes a low-value male with soft, feminine hands.

>>136178334
You sound overweight.

The other day we had a mgtow thread. The difference being that we had only a couple of anti mgtow posts and the rest seemed more genuine. No white sharia shit or b urself breh. Why does /pol/ react differently from time to time. Is it just Americans?

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>>136180533
>Absolute degeneracy, in its truest sense. It neither cultivates healthy relationships between the genders or leads to procreation. Ultimately, it's contributing to the downfall of the West.

are u speaking about women, there, right ? because u percectly describe them there ... hmmm....

>>136180727
i am not, but thanks for caring so much. Now hurry up and serve your cunt. i want her in positive mood and well fed, when i pump her her. Du u understand me, fem-slave ?

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>>136169250
Absolutely gay & pathetic for people who are too retarded & dumb to get a prenup, and too ugly & gay to reproduce.

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>>136173420
Jesus Kike that's pathetic.


Never go full MGTWO pheonix

For every man that reproduced historically, at least 2 women has reproduced. Going back further throughout history, it has been much worse. 8,000 years ago, 17 women reproduced for every 1 man.

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

The Y chromosome is "degenerate", which is to say that it has rapidly shrunk in humans, shedding the vast majority of its chromosomes to leave only a small number behind. This means that human males have undergone radical genetic changes throughout the evolution of our species.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1692900/

Despite gains in women's freedoms, financial success, self-determination, independence, and control over their own lives, women are more miserable now than they've ever been since we started recording their subjective well-being. Women are, by and large, quite miserable by historical standards. This is not just a factor of social problems across all of society(which have lowered happiness across all groups), but also in relation to men, who have experienced much lower effects.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

Women who are conservative are significantly happier than women who are liberal. Liberal women are more often in egalitarian relationships, and more likely to focus on their careers. Conservative women tend to focus on family, raising children, and tend to be more likely to take on a relatively submissive role in the family.

http://nypost.com/2013/12/27/conservative-women-hold-secret-to-happiness/

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>>136177216
Top kek

>>136182222
As far as I'm aware, no one seems to want to make the connection between these data points. The degeneracy of the Y chromosome is directly linked to the degree to which female reproductive success outclasses male reproductive success. This is not a new concept, and has been going on for millions of years. The addition of new chromosomes and variations is a slow process, occurring due to random chance. Most variations are detrimental, and disappear as quickly as they appeared. However, rapidly changing circumstances can cause a sudden narrowing of genetic variation in a species. This most often comes from cataclysmic changes or ecological disasters, but can also happen due to conflict with another species, or exposure to a disease or famine. The Y chromosome is subjected to both long term selective pressure(causing degeneracy), and short term changes due to catastrophy.

Everything about the sexual histories of men and women paints a picture wherein men were under extreme selective pressure throughout recent history. The VAST majority of men were unfit for reproduction, and were removed from the gene pool. The Y chromosome rapidly degenerated because of this intense selective pressure, resulting in the small and highly focused Y chromosome of today.

Moreso than any event in our biological history, the advances in technology, social progress, and larger governments and institutions have resulted in extreme environmental shifts, to which our base instincts are incredibly poorly suited. Even now, rising mental illness and depression are merely symptoms of a species thrust into a situation it had not evolved for.

If you dont know very well modern women, if you are not married, or have been with several girlfriends, you cant understand MGTOW

>>136169250
It's a Jew larp to turn white males into faggots.

>>136182222
>>136182365
And this comes to the crux of our issue. Even in the last few hundred years, men have remained under extreme selective pressure. The genes unfit for a modern society have been rapidly removed, and the fluctuations have focused men towards the needs of the present. Men are not perfectly adapted. None of us are. But the intense selective pressures mean that the Y chromosome is subject to more rapid changes and adaptations.

Meanwhile, the X chromosome changes much more slowly, as a woman is always useful for her reproductive capabilities without actually needing to produce anything of value, or even be adapted to her current situation.

Everything in our society shows this. Give women equality and freedom, and they become miserable. Offer them independence, and they become lonely. Give them a career, and they become despondent. They seek fleeting pleasures to give their life meaning.

Women evolve significantly slower than men. In time, we'll all adapt to the present, but for right now the data shows that women are unfit for the progress that they have achieved. In truth, the reason we had such incredible scientific advancement in the last thousand years has been because of the repression of sexuality, both male AND female. Female sexuality is focused on acquiring the strongest male, even if it destroys group cohesion. This hyperfocus on the top ultimately leads to women drifting alone,(despite being surrounded by suitable males) acting contrary to their own interests, and failing to self-actualize in any meaningful sense.

Our society will fail because of its attempts to force equality if it doesn't exist. If the feminists wished to achieve true equality, women would have to be held to the same standards as men. Even still, the evolutionary lagging make this a near impossibility.

>>136182177
>get a prenup

> because courts totally care about prenups .. AT ALL.

yeah right, shill. try harder or inform yourself, if u are really that misinformed or naive.

>>136182177
Most prenups are immediately thrown out the window in court. Enjoy getting f*cked over in 10 or 15 years time due to thinking your ass was safe on a prenup

>>136182222
>The Y chromosome is "degenerate", which is to say that it has rapidly shrunk in humans, shedding the vast majority of its chromosomes to leave only a small number behind. This means that human males have undergone radical genetic changes throughout the evolution of our species.

u are very very misinformed ( or a shill )

the Y chomosome is a FURTHER evolvec chromosome.
it has genes that women dont even have !

the sice of chromosomes absolutely does NOT matter at all.
u know why ?
because 98% of all chromosomal matter is INACTIVE RESIDUE !
in fact, the genome of a humand and a banana match 98% (!!)

>>136182467
>or have been with several girlfriends, you cant understand MGTOW

THIS.

here some infos about me for instance, which those pluepilled pussybeggars think am a fat basementsweller who cant get laid :

all except ONE women i've fucked, where IN RELATIONSHIPS !
it deemed to me PERFECT; because that way, i never had to care about them, but only had the best of them, only the juicy times, just teh sax and some happy very emotional and phantastically indense - usually several months - with them. Always very intense and secret intense fuck-relationships.
just as i wanted it.
BUT : it has also shown me, how much a woman's 'loyality' against those, she parasites from 95% of the time is worth.
right now it just disgusts me.
i had NOTHING against that, IF it all was open and honest.

and the other thing ofc that enrages me far far more, ist the absolutely dscusting and sickening double standart, against the law, in society in general, and the most sickening puke-charry on top of that all, is, that it's precisely women themselves, that just lie lie lie lie lie the FUCK outta everything and about everything.

those lies is what i absolutely despise at the very most of it all.
i would have no problem with all of it, if it was honest, open and thus fair. AND same laws for everybody.

>>136177636
Almost sure you are larping as a paid shill for hulu's break out hit show The Hand Maidens Tale.

lets have it clear, only the men that have not been with several women, despise MGTOW, the beta virgins that still have hope in modern women, cant understand MGTOW because the lack of real life experiences with modern women.

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>>136182222
>>136182365
>>136182512
Very nice but how do we fix it? Realistically.

>>136184400
and prostitutes or esscorts dont count¡

>>136184054

whatever u fucking want to believe, faggit. seriously.
some ppl just want to be warnet or be helped. they rather swallow the whole bowl of pluepills, just to not have their sheeple mind disturbed.

for fucks sake, wake up sheeple, for real goddammed, canut u fucking see the world around u ?!

>>136184570

aaaaaaaagain :
the ONLY option - wheter u yet understand why or not - is :

thX FULL SHARIA against women / make women slaves / property of men.

women MUST not have rights.
Women rights MUST not be accepted.
women MUST not be served, respected, helped, etc .
Women need to be treated as the underevolved, parasitic, mentally retarded, soulles lesser-creatures that they are.
Women deserve to be slaves at max, IF they behave well.

and yes, i absolutely mean that.
Eveerything else is TOXIC for society and with that for the future of children, ALL children....

Because underevolved creatures like women MUST NOT have ANY control over society. AT ALL.

>>136185097
>Eveerything else is TOXIC for society and with that for the future of children, ALL children....

yes, anons says, you have to help to perpetuate the white race, MGTOW its a jew conspiraci, etc. But the most injured of all are the children, modern women screw children very hard, specially mentally, but sometimes they beat them very hard physically, the children of modern women are the most damaged of all.

if western men pushing very hard during a short period of time lets says one year, feminist will fall¡ and then all men could come back to bare women with traditional mind. MGTOW could be a solution in short term

but whatever. the amout of men, that prefere to live in their house of cards of female lies, collapes further down day, by day, by day ..

the rejection of 'embowered women' ( = parsites, the hardes liars of them all ) progresses in front of everyones eyes.

feminism dies. female rights get rejected. the biggest lie of them all, the myth and idiology of the 'intelligent responsible creature called "woman"' no longer can be held up, the enlightenment of men progresses with exponential speed ...

it would be intelligent, to actively take matters into our hands and solve the female question proactively, instead of standing by and letting them destroy everything even harder... Simply because an intelligent, truethfull, proactive, constructive approach produces a way better outcome then just letting the chaos progress even further ...

>>136184570
I'm not smart enough to propose a solution. I'm just posting this writeup I did around in hopes of either being proven wrong or others expanding on it and thinking or solutions.

Truth is my only goal.

>>136176769
>MGTOW worships this cunt, but hates every other woman. That's all you need to know
Nope. Was on MGTOW HQ this afternoon and most thought she got away pretty lightly, but were worried about the 1st amendment impact.

MGTOW are real people who look at the whole picture, not single issue misogynists.

In fact it is mostly about risk management for men, nothing more.

>>136169250
MGTOW is removing yourself from the sexual market and thereby the gene pool because you cant hack reality.

Reality sucks, sure, but its what we have to deal with.

MGTOW is giving up.

>>136186998
> MGTOW is giving up.
> hillary will win the election

I think women will eventually want a relationship, since men are the gatekeepers of relationships we have a lot to put on the bargaining table.

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Why do those losers in MGTOW channels never show their faces? They all talk that alpha bullshit but too scared to show how they look.

>>136186998
>ting this writeup I did around in hopes of either being proven wrong or others expandin

western men already lose the numbers wars, chinese, muslim and indian people exceed western men in numbers, dont get confused, its about quality no quantity

>>136186998
>ting this writeup I did around in hopes of either being proven wrong or others expandin

western men already lose the numbers wars, chinese, muslim and indian people exceed western men in numbers, dont get confused, its about quality not quantity

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>sage

If you're 100% European descent aka white and you hate filthy niggers, dirty spics, ugly kikes, arabs, furfags, gayfags, commiefags and all other scum on the earth (including weeaboo degeneracy!) as much as we do, you should join the Moon Central Discord Server. Introduce yourself in #introductions to get unkiked!

https://discordapp.com/ - invite/ - q9YcCDP (Remove the - )

1, 2, 3, 4 We declare a race war!
Join us and hang a nigger today!

Sieg Heil & 14/88 everyone!

MGTOW, its the only way to survive, why japanese men undestand, this very well and western men dont?

>>136173420
Women are products of their environment. So yes it is men's fault they've gotten like this. If men had been stronger and not given them rights we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today. Then again then only reason they got rights was because all the real men died in WW1 and only the cucks survived and viewed women as equal. Fuck off you stupid beta

>>136176769
Stop shooping the eyebrows more and more it´s fucking with my head

>>136188407
Is this b8?

if you are not capable to say no to women, you are fucked, arabs will fuck you, chinese will cut your fucking balls

>>136169250
> be me.
> work hard through school and early career to build a good life for yourself.
> through all that time, never meet a woman who can meet even your most basic standards (virgin, not morbidly obese, not a blatant psychopath, not saddled with crippling debt)
> 2 years out of college, everyone you know is married except for you.
> 10 years out of college, everyone you know is divorced except for you. In some cases with your closer friends, you've had a front row seat to the wealth and soul rending divorce court meat grinder while being spared yourself.
> Look around and think, no, I'm good, thanks.
> Decide to take the life you have built and enjoy it on your own terms. Be a MGTOW before you ever even heard of the term.

Tell me, /pol/, what's so unreasonable about that?

>>136187845
>but too scared to show how they loo

why should anyone expose himself to any of you leftwing feminazi psychopaths ?

maybe, jsut maybe, that has to do with all you leftwing feminazi psychopaths ...

could be prure coincidence also ofc ... totally probable ...
joking aside : ure complete and utter lack of selfawasrenests outs u as a female (scum) or a male feminist. ure underevolved monkey brain exposes you.

Jesus was a spiritual alpha, he was an enlightened MGTOW, Tesla was a MGTOW, etc. All great men understand MGTOW very well.

>>136189026
>All great men understand MGTOW very well

in short : all intelligent men

>>136169250
MGTOW is made up of men that are 5s and think they deserve a 7/8 and end up resenting women for this, instead of just dating other 5s

>>136188760
>Tell me, /pol/, what's so unreasonable about that?

Nothing. Wish I was you. Instead, I am one of your friends (divorced, fucked and alienated from my child)

modern women will screw western men in long term, its irreversible. Kept your balls be a man and say no to modern women

>>136189130

Intelligent people can go their own way and still get laid

>>136188760
nothing wrong with divorce, the romantic stage of a relationship only last 3 years at best

the alternative is to be forever alone

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>>136188882
Because until we don't see a normal looking non-autistic mgtow, it's easy to assume that "movement" is full of bitter angry permavirgins larpers who want ever man to be as miserable as they are.

>>136189306
MGTOW get laid, they just dont get compromised, or get married

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>>136189214
Rating men is gay.

You are gay.

>>136189326
I have heard many divorced men say they felt far more alone during their marriage than they did before or after it.

>>136189326
so broke and alone, vs not broke but still alone, hmmmm

>>136189501
Go watch Divorce Corp.

better join MGTOW before get screw, or you cant get screw first and later will want to be MGTOW , you will only prolong your personal hell

>>136189501
Of course you aren't going to see a normal looking non-autistic mgtow. They've got better things to do with their time than larp around in front of a camera holding a MGTOW sign like the idiot in that picture.

You probably pass by dozens of normal looking non-autistic mgtows every day without even knowing.

>>136189689
>I have heard many divorced men say they felt far more alone during their marriage than they did before or after it.
Divorced and alienated dad here. Can confirm.

sort yourself, learn how to say no to women, put them in their place, your life will improve, you will begin to be a real man

>>136190082
>You probably pass by dozens of normal looking non-autistic mgtows every day without even knowing.


At the very least men are much more weary of who they get involved with now. Unless its those men who bang a ton of chicks and get half their wages garnished because they still are mentally in high school and not too smart to begin with.

>>136190082
>in front of a camera holding a MGTOW sign like the idiot in that picture.
Which is why most MGTOW communities exclude or at least contain the incel and black pill Elliott Rodger wannabes.

if western men dont embrace MGTOW knowledge they will vanish, modern women will fuck their brains out, like rotten from the inside, you have been notice.

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>>136169250
Becoming MGTOW is the highest point of awareness a normalfag can achieve these days. For non-normalfags there is also wizardry and monasteries, of course.

MGTOW is excellent because it's effectively removing loser beta males from the gene pool so that only alphas are breeding. So MGTOW on beta males, mankind is better without you.

>>136192022
>
thats good, but then the betas can concentrate to intelectual achievements to improve mankind in other ways, their life will be not in vain

Mgtow in practice not in name.

no jew made me feel the way Ido.

I've had female friends and girlfriends commit themselves to driving me up a fucking wall, only to play victim when I show the slightest displeasure at my treatment.

It's like being a man today mean being a punching bag thats rewarded in subpar sex.

you can't shame someonee whos gone through what I have into accepting an unfair arrangement.

the fact is the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Noone wants to wait in line to be taken advantage of

>>136192022
>removing loser beta males from the gene pool so that only alphas are breeding

Which is all very well, but since society is built upon those alienated males you'd better figure out how to make fire from the same basic ingredients as Homo Erectus did, because when the betas go, so does modern society.

Mgtow in practice not in name.

no jew made me feel the way I do.

I've had female friends and girlfriends commit themselves to driving me up a fucking wall, only to play victim when I show the slightest displeasure at my treatment.

It's like being a man today means being a punching bag thats rewarded in subpar sex.
Even your money and time is obligated to be surrendered to the woman, or they treaten to go find another guys soul to drain.

you can't shame/insult someone whos gone through what I have into accepting an unfair arrangement.

the fact is the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Noone wants to wait in line to be taken advantage of.

as for the white race who gives a shit, let the muslims burn it to the round, at least their women are loyal.

if you are a beta MGTOW you automatically become richer, you can get prostitutes and sex anyway, and also you could have intelectual pleasure thats better than sex.

>>136192372
Beta males/females can never be fully removed from a society, but you need to find the right ratio or you end up like today's society where life has become easy enough for too many beta males/females to survive and pollute civilization.

>>136192372
they keep saying the 80% o men are beta losers, forgetting ewe make up the majority of the military and hard labor force and the fact that women dont really pay taxes

most recreation today is in the pursuit of sex, if you're gonna treat men like crap why should they participate in a system that only serves to deprive of them of freedom and self respect.

lets compare a beta mangina vs a beta MGTOW, definitely a beta MGTOW will fuck the beta mangina, being a MGTOW rise you in the manhood scale, you will become closer to an alpha.

>>136193033
>most recreation today is in the pursuit of sex
Pretty much the entirety of human existance has been predicated upon 1. Survival followed by 2. Sex

Everything else is an also ran.

So if you exclude 80% of men from being able to get reasonable access to sex, the same level of access their grandfathers took for granted, then are you surprised if they become unmotivated?

There is all this bitching about "Muh White Genes", but the reality is that no matter how long my genetic heritage is carried forwards, I will experience nothing beyond the end of my own existence, so talk of what happens afterwards is largely irrelevant.

Do I want to give the future up to niggers and mudslimes? not particularly, since they are just degenerates anyway, but the reality is that it won't make any difference to me because I will be dead, even if my genetic line isn't.

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I can't believe you guys fall for this

>>136193789
idk, i think men gathered together to brew meads and beers to get away from the sheer mundane aspects of sex and survival.

we came up with secret societies and fraternal brotherhoods.

I dont really care about my genetic line. And I see no reason to bring a person into this world when I was an accident myself and my aunt can't stop having kids from different fathers.

If I actually mattered to people besides my parents maybe, but my dad has a second son more handsome and taller thsn me, and my mom has another daughter who will be smarter and taller.

my only redeeming quality is a useless knowledge base of occult literature, and i cant do real magic so whatever.

people like me would have died in a ditch for some liege lord years ago, buried in an unmarked mass grave or committed to the deep.

life sucks enough without kidding myself that some woman will make it better.

>>136185097
>>136184876
Aaaand he said if folk. Sheeple we got sheeple, mark it down on your paid Hulu shill bingo cards! It's right next to the woman are a different species free space.

>>136194627
fall for what.

the marriage meme?


Were in the Kali Yuga

the world is ran by lies and demons.

embrace MGTOW knowledge, you will become more wise. The fact that you dont born alpha, does not exclude from knowledge of women and real manhood.

>>136177040
>The problem *cannot* be all women, it can only be you.

or it could be both have problems yet it is the ones with the legal powers that's refusing to correct their problems and change their behaviors, dont fucking try to shift all the blame on men, doing it covertly is still doing it.

both MGTOW men and women have problems. but who really has the legal stick here? who really owns when it comes to divorce court? who is the recipient of all the benefits? when the cards are THIS stacked, women don't have to change their behaviors. so do you not see how incredibly stupid and retarded it is for you to keep pointing fingers at men when deep down you know damn right women have problems too yet men are expected to change and you don't fucking hold women accountable.

fuck off.

I guess for now I could be considered MGTOW, I don't pursue women, and turn them down when they make advances regularly, I simply am focused on making money and fitness, I have a six pack and weigh 180lbs. I am young but in the future i will have many will settle down with a suggestive women and have many white children

>1 post by this ID
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>>136198036
>who really owns when it comes to divorce court
- Divorce has become a coin toss
- The vast majority of divorces are initiated by women (70%++)
- Women have to be literal drug addicts not to get sole custody if they want it
- Although it is meant to be a 50/50 split, the reality is that she dumps her debt and often has no income, so it is more likely that she will get assets and future income far in excess of this.

What's to stop her divorcing your sorry ass? Pretty much nothing. Certainly her friends will encourage her to do it for the drama if nothing else.

Marriage - Once is stupid, more than once is idiotic.

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>>136169250
So is it ok to be with someone as long as you don't get married to them?

Because the court system in western countries is retarded and getting married might as well be a death sentence if you're not a woman.

Is there any way to have a significant other without having any legal obligations to them whatsoever?

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simply getting laid or having romantic feeling are on my priority. Women are for making babies, this is their greatest value. Having the greatest number of well raised white children is.
This is want I want, not getting my dick wet, or love

>>136198857
Don't some states register you as married even if you're not simply because you've lived with a woman for over 7 years? It's what happened to my bro in Commifornia. He's now considered as married even though he never got married, but he was in a LTR with a woman whom he lived with for over 7 years.

>>136198857
No, because just living together with someone for an extended amount of time qualifies you and your partner to be considered married.

>>136194947
if you're a normal human being who's not disfigured, mentally handicapped, or fucked in the head. you are going to be good at something and there is a way for you to use it to your advantage. but the tragedy is that either you know it but dont know how to apply it, or dont know it at all. but at least you're the former, which means it's gonna be about luck if you find a way to make a living off of what you're good at.

but honestly, look up how people became successful. sometimes it's just about luck, but we cant just straight up say that so we see that those successful people also share the hardworking trait so we kid ourselves that hardwork = success.

no, it's just luck. some people worked their whole life only to have nothing in return and got nowhere.

everyday of you not being dead in a ditch or buried in an unmarked mass grave is a chance to reroll the dice. you cant play the game if you're dead.

>>136198778
>what's to stop her,
Having 10 white babies to support and no job
being financially dependent upon you
Being ripped alpha who exudes martial prowess
She is fears if she leaves you she will not be able to find anyone else better or at all

>>136199377
maintain frame.
eventually being with a woman will soften you. that's why it's always their dream to change a man, to fix you, but in reality, they are creating a version of you that they will not be attracted to because you let them walk all over you.

>>136198857
>So is it ok to be with someone as long as you don't get married to them?

Not even this in some "common law" jurisdictions (some US states and places like Australia, but not the UK funnily enough), in these jurisdictions even living with someone for a relatively short period of time (as little as 6 months in Australia) could allow the cunt to claim rights as a "common law wife", in essence take you to the cleaners for cash and prizes.

So tread carefully and if in a common law state, think about moving just over the border where it doesn't apply if possible.

>>136199206
>>136199162
>>136199516

Literally dystopia tier bullshit.
Thanks for helping me out anons.

>>136199608
Oh actually I don't live in a common law state thank fuck. (I live in NY)

So basically I'm home free when it comes to that bullshit?

>>136199377
>Having 10 white babies to support and no job
- That would be your problem, not hers, since you'd be paying for it regardless.

>being financially dependent upon you
- See above

>Being ripped alpha who exudes martial prowess
- Excellent. That will work well when she dumps your ass for Chad as she can use the "I was afraid" excuse to evict you from your own home

>She is fears if she leaves you she will not be able to find anyone else better or at all
- You've clearly never met a real woman, they are both deceivers and excellent vine swingers. Why do you think they hide their phones? Nope, she will already have your replacement in the bag before you even get a whiff of a clue that she is dumping you.

Ask me how I know...

>>136199954
now be sure to wrap your tool and be careful so you dont get baby trapped for child support, that shit is also vicious. those are the two biggest bullets you must dodge.

>>136199608
>Literally dystopia tier bullshit.

Nope.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edra-j-pollin/when-does-cohabitation-be_b_1184994.html

>>136199207
If success in a game is mostly governed by luck, then its just gambling.

marriage and relationships themselves are a gamble on top of another gamble

so at what point is my hardwork worth the efffort? If it's not worth it and has no reward..why work hard?

"work ethic"?

I may as well play the lottery.

with lottery money luck in relationships stops being a factor , and my money take its place.

also if money (which is inherently worthless) is the indicator if success , then whats my reason for playing the rigged game...

I feel our logic is sound, women have nothing to offer but more rigged gambling, so I avoid them.

I dont think that makes me a cuck or a beta for seeing the reality of a situation.

I can even my odds easily by overpowering and raping women and impregnating them.

I don't because I have values, people with values are like ned stark.

they'll just lose

>>136169250
kys, white people need to be reproducing, not choosing to die virgins.

>>136200077
>how I know.
how I know?
Life is a gamble, do what you can to increase you odds and roll the dice, if not just kill youself

>>136200140
>and be careful so you dont get baby trapped for child support

Don't forget to either personally dump your used condoms or fill them with hot pepper sauce to prevent sperm jacking.

>>136200466
>huffington post

Can you not please

>>136200848
>Can you not please
Use the gender enemy's words? Why not...it is the cunt you are living with that will try to extort money from you in this situation.

Whose words would you like me to use?

>>136198857
>So is it ok to be with someone as long as you don't get married to them?

sure if they don't pressure you towards commitment, which they will.

also they can still accuse you of anything falsely and have you sent to jail, which happend to me.

people will make the argument that its mens fault for not leading women away from degeneracy, but youre delusional.

women will pretend to be whatever they have to be to exploit your resources

>>136184570
Let it burn.

>>136200589
>white people need to be reproducing, not choosing to die virgins

says who, and to whos benefit?

>>136201179
Says me,
They future of my family will benefit
as will the world and entire universe by having more white people to explore it and fill it with their wonderous white imaginations and culture

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>>136201680
>The future of my family will benefit
...but you'll be dead, as will I, so why should either of us give a flying fuck?

>>136201680
>Says me,

right.

i don't give a shit about what you want especially when it's at my expense.

>>136200547
use them, dont commit, dont trust them, but use them.

especially later on in life when they had their "epiphany" and they want to walk back into your life again. use them. then conveniently discard them because they wasted their youth instead of invested in you.

mother nature is cruel to her daughters. people dont want to face this reality. so we try to block it out and be politically correct about it.

when it's your turn, as a man to get the upper hand, you will know how it feels.

just remember

maintain frame

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>>136169250
> 1 post by OP
> this fucking thread again

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>>136169250
I love how people divide into two camps over this.

You're either a blue pilled cuck trying to maintain your illusion or stuck in the red pill rage. There's no happy ending for the blue pilled cucks.

>>136202286
>use them, dont commit, dont trust them, but use them.

that a womans strategy.

she can use whoever she wants and get a pussy pass.

she can even destroy my house and it'll be my fault.

>mother nature is cruel to her daughters.

women hate women, who knew

>maintain frame

that's what I'm doing. except my frame is made of stone not wood.

I choose not to let a woman in my zone and last time I checked that's what women want from men theyre not attracted too.

im not going out of my way to give a woman the validation of deciding she can take her bitterness out on me.

my life is hard enough, its not their right to be able to exploit me however they want

>>136202613
I like how they call mgtows cucks, when the primary definition of a cuck requires a wife...which mgtows aren't supporting.

>>136202209
>>136202220
...It does not matter that you "not care"
It only matter that "I" care
My desires guide my actions, your lack there of has no impact upon me or my actions
> I care because I have a collectivist way of thought in which, I am but a part of my family, I am a cell, part of a greater organism, I must preform my function
Eventually I will be replaced, but the organism I am a part of will live on,

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YES, YES! Good goyim, go your own way! White women are degenerate, you don't need to reproduce with them!

>>136202613
>You're either a blue pilled cuck trying to maintain your illusion or stuck in the red pill rage. There's no happy ending for the blue pilled cucks.

I'm not raging about the red pill, since that is like raging against gravity, but I'm fucked if some tradcuck moron is going to come along with his "man up" line of shaming bullshit and not get knocked on his fat, stupid arse.

Our forefathers did not create these great (albeit dysfunctional) societies that we live in by throwing each other under the fucking bus.

Wifing up whores is never going to solve the problem, since that plays solely to their agenda, not an agenda which fixes the problem of the dysfunctional societies that we inhabit.

>>136202913
So why should "I" care about what "you" want

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>MGTOW
>Means that you can't make more white children
>What the Jew wants
You guys are really fucking stupid

>>136202913
>Eventually I will be replaced, but the organism I am a part of will live on,

Well done. You've just failed basic biology.

>>136175631
You might get some hate in this thread, but honestly.. There's a lot that stand behind you brother..

>>136203551
>Implying I want to produce more low-test, feminist, liberal cunts when I am inevitably divorced and have access to my kids taken away.
With the state of white women at the moment I'd much rather reproduce with Asians, so that's what I'm gonna do.

>>136203380
you shouldn't, unless you want to have an arranged marriage between our families someday to strengthen each other's economic hold upon the village

>>136169250
It's cowardice, plain and simple. Yes, there are bunch of fucked up women out there, and there are a bunch of the ways the system is fucked and women can fuck you over; however, that simply should make you raise the bar, not crawl into a shell and hide. It's the same thing as dropping out of school because bullies are mean.

>>136170483
>encouraging hatred and absolute distrust of all women
no one has to encourage anyone for that

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>>136203753
There is no hope with you, you failed Hitler
Even a fucking furry will do better than you

>>136203567
> I am a cell,....
you just failed at reading the complete post

>>136203890
>It's the same thing as dropping out of school because bullies are mean.
How is it the same as that? If school is society in your metaphor, nobody is dropping out.
If anything, it's just ignoring the bullies until they sort themselves out.

>>136203753
>I'd much rather reproduce with Asians
Been there, done that + teenage Anglo/Chinese daughter to show for it.

It sounds good and they are genuinely different, but only in aspects and by degrees. They are still female and behave like cunts, they just don't fuck around as the icing on the cake.

They would rather scream at you at 3:00 AM when you have to get up for work at 6:00 AM about how they are unhappy that Wing Yip has a mansion (detached house in Chinkland) and a BMW, blah, blah, blah.

They look and act cute, but they are fucking mercenary cunts with the heart and soul of a Jew.

I want to fuck asian girls

>>136204022
>Even a fucking furry will do better than you
I have a way happier life than most guys who mess around with modern white women, though. There's always that to consider.

>>136169250

it's for losers that can't get chicks, or are sociopaths

>>136204127
>How is it the same as that? If school is society in your metaphor, nobody is dropping out.
Avoiding around half of the population while ensuring that your genetic line dies with you is exactly dropping out. Sure, you get more time to paint 40k models and argue on pol, but in the end there's no real value in that.

>>136204373
>it's for losers
only vaginal jews or numale cucks are using the word "loser"

>>136204238
>Been there, done that
Me too. I have been living with a Chinese for 5 years now. I know a lot of them can be pretty materialistic. But their family values and loyalty are like nothing we experience in the west. Overall I have found Asians in general embrace their femininity, rather than trying to compete with males in every aspect of life, then getting butthurt and blaming sexism when they fail.

Nobody is claiming they are perfect. They are still human and, like the rest of us, come with their downfalls. But I rate them much higher than white women on average.

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>>136203886
>you shouldn't, unless you want to have an arranged marriage between our families someday to strengthen each other's economic hold upon the village
Which is fine if you live in some shit lined village in India or Pakistan, but if you live in the West it's idiotic to think like that.

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>>136178888

>>136169250
MGTOW is basically a mirror image of a feminist. It's comedy gold.

>>136204459
>Avoiding around half of the population
Do you think MGTOW means don't talk to women at all?
To me it just means don't engage in long-term relationships/marriage with western women. You can still talk to them; you don't have to run out of the room if one enters... Jesus.

>>136204861
Except that our claims are real.

>>136169250
mgtow is fucking retarded and I wouldn't be surprised if (((they))) were behind it. It offers literally nothing of value.

>>136204980
Sure they are.

>>136188578
This post is underrated.

>>136204883
Excuse me for not being painfully clear:
>avoids anything beyond the most superficial of interactions with a little over half of humanity

That better? It's a fear based decision no matter how it's sliced, and a convenient excuse for those who are afraid of rejection. Speaking of, I'm pretty sure that MGTOW mainly is little more than a support group for people who are terrified of even the possibility of rejection.

>>136205365
>>avoids anything beyond the most superficial of interactions with a little over half of humanity
So what you're telling me is, anything short of a long-term relationship/marriage is only a superficial interaction?

>>136175777
>women always marry up
No shit, men have always made sure their women were looked after in return for a stable family environment, women would obviously want the men who could take care of them the best.
Likewise men have always married down because if the woman were not more dependent on them than the other way around they would have no need for that particular man when another could fill the role properly.

If your woman is marrying down you're definitely getting cucked, there's no question about it.

As all civilisations eventually over exploit the generosity of men propping up those civilisations, there's eventually a limit to the shit sandwich any person is willing to eat while trying to pretend it tastes great.

Assertive behavior recognises one only has control over one's actions in protecting one's boundaries. Attempting to control women when they have gone to far is outlawed in the West. It follows that in respecting our own feelings, we can only redirect the power of our attention (the potential narcissistic supply women crave) onto things that give us as men self respect.

Being treated like shit both by women collectively and through the violence of the state by proxy of the executive leaves only one action if all one's other choices are outlawed: walking away.

This is basic, assertive behaviour 101.

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>>136182873
>>136182687
Then just don't get married, problem solved.

Make white children you ugly fatties.

>>136204861
>MGTOW is basically a mirror image of a feminist. It's comedy gold.

It may seem that way, but it only seems that way. The reality is that feminists have taken a society that basically worked (albeit with some unfairness to women back pre-1960's) and forced changes which improved their personal position, but in the process have destroyed marriage, one of the pillars of a stable society.

Much of the dysfunction that you see today is because of changes that feminism forced upon society and to which the males who ruled us all at that time reluctantly agreed.

MGTOW appears to be a mirror image because our basic premise is, why don't we go back to what worked (i.e. reverse all of the feminist bullshit that broke marriage and with it society)

That's my 5 cents worth anyway.

>>136206448
>but in the process have destroyed marriage, one of the pillars of a stable society.
Marriage is getting flushed down the toilet for a variety of reasons. One of them is the downfall of religion, which is good.

>>136205014
>mgtow is fucking retarded and I wouldn't be surprised if (((they))) were behind it.
Yes, of course. Must be the (((Juice)))

>It offers literally nothing of value.
It is a strike, a marriage strike if you like and many men participate who have never even heard the term MGTOW.

The thing of value that it offers is that if it works (as most, but not all strikes do), then it will give people like us a future where now we have none.

I think that has value. YMMV.

>>136204238
Unless there's a green card involved. Then she'll stick with you and be all lovey dovey, overlooking your flaws and putting up with your neckbeard antics for 3-5 years. Then 2 things can happen: She'll either put up with your shit for another 5 years and apply for citizenship or report you for abuse. Either way, once her legal status is preserved, she'll divorce you and bring ol' Wing Yip stateside along with the two kids she has with him but never told you about. Sometimes, this is when they meet their new mixed brother/sister for the first time.

This happened to a coworker of mine. Met the wife once at the company Christmas party. Real slutty and was always grinding her ass or tits into me all night. Very sordid story of how it went down: She let him get away with so many things and even encouraged him into S&M and having a threeway with another woman. He was bragging about being a sexual god for months... until he found out she secretly filmed everything and accused him of abuse and sex slavery. Fucked him over pretty bad but his lawyer somehow plea-bargained for an at-fault divorce very generous alimony and child support to get all charges dropped.

Hilariously, his ex-wife and new (original) hubby treat her mix-breed son as the favored child since he collects monthly child support checks from him. Her original chink kids are some of the most smartest, well-behaved and hard-working students I've seen but are largely ignored. They actually get along better with him and the daughter actually calls him daddy, but I think in the end, they're playing him like their mom did, probably for tuition.

>>136204602
You decide this at your last anarchist "mean girls" meeting? Do you fags have a rule for not dating one another's ex-boyfriends too?

>>136207000
In _theory_ if every single dude went mgtow it might result in the marriage courts being fixed (they are fucked up I won't deny that). But in reality I don't think you'll ever get enough people to make it happen. Also I don't know about the UK but at least in Cuckstralia you're seen as married just by cohabiting with someone for an extended period of time when it comes to the diving of assets. Sorry but I'm not going to live alone for the rest of my life I'd rather shoot myself.

>>136204861
Uh no, we don't demand anything legally or culturally from women , we just avoid relationships with them in general out of self preservation .

feminists do everything in their power to make their stupid ideology my concern.

frankly mgtow is a reaction to feminism.

>>136205365
>Speaking of, I'm pretty sure that MGTOW mainly is little more than a support group for people who are terrified of even the possibility of rejection.

Nope. Most of them are decent blokes like me who've been through the marriage / divorce grinder and not enjoyed the experience.

I think that is a reasonable perspective.

As for fear of rejection, that's just more feminazi projection. I don't enjoy it sure, but most women nowadays aren't even worth the approach, never mind the fear of rejection.

>>136204022
>There is no hope with you, you failed Hitler

Hitler failed us, which is why we have no hope.

>Even a fucking furry will do better than you

Thanks for confirming that degeneracy and sexual perversion is prefferred than a guy who works hard and would just like to not be alone and exploited for all the effort.

>>136205812
this.

>>136169250
It's good most women are shallow as hell today and they're not worth wasting my time on, when they share nothing in common with me and bore me to death.

>>136176769
She's a fucking cunt, and a callous human being.

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The demands of women and of a society designed purely to cater to women, is not my concern.

We have been clearly told that for 50 years. Why pretend otherwise? It would be like placing one's hand in the mouth of a tiger while pretending the tiger by its nature does not eat people.

All our institutions have been captured by the Left, which means the laws written for Western countries are captured by the feminist perogative.

To fall for the trap of LTR with women is to expose oneself to the legal reappropriation of ones efforts via the monopoly of violence of the state.

This leaves no room for any form of male response under outlawed, traditional notions of gender relations. There is only one destination for our exit: the small part of our contribution in abandoning the system as the tipping point on top of all other current mechanisms (global warming, economic pressure, impossible living conditions) to induce that collapse.

>>136207531
>we just avoid relationships with them in general out of self preservation .
I'm not sure that straight women like boys with pussies. After all, traps are totally gay.

>>136207332
>I don't know about the UK but at least in Cuckstralia you're seen as married just by cohabiting

Nope. That bullshit doesn't happen here. Yet...

http://www.familylives.org.uk/advice/your-family/relationship-advice/common-law-marriage/

>>136208365
Lucky you, when it does what will you do? Are you going to dedicate your life to being unhappy just to stick it to women?

>>136207332
>if every single dude went mgtow it might result in the marriage courts being fixed
>But in reality I don't think you'll ever get enough people to make it happen.

Its only requires a much smaller number to abandon the system because we might be the tipping point on top of all other current pressures that threaten modern civlisation.

>>136203886
> but in the end there's no real value in that.

and theres no value in pursuing relationsips


>It's cowardice, plain and simple.?

accessing risks v.s rewards is cowardly...right

>>136203890
you're just projecting.

If it's not in ones interest to associate with bullies, why would they

you're literally arguing we should just keep trying to befriend our bullies rather than avoid them and their bullshit.

MGTOW is great. Its brought me to the only thing I've ever really wanted in life, peace of mind.

>>136208551
Ok, go ahead and try and do that. I'll be trying to get a tradwife to have kids with instead.

>>136169250
A bunch of ruined men who are lost due to social chaos.

If you identify as MGTOW there is a 90% chance that women never even noticed you anyways.
Like telling your parents you refuse to eat your vegetables, yet there were never any on your plate to begin with.

>>136208357
Clearly they do considering how mmuch they line up to support lgbt and all that sexually perverse horseshit.

>I'm not sure that straight women like boys with pussies.

I don't care what women like or wan't.

that's what mgtow means.

Women offer nothing, so why should I care what they think of me when my goal is to avoid relationships with them in general.

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>>136207827
>Hitler failed us, which is why we have no hope.
Surely, "Hitler did nothing wrong"?

>>136208691
>If you identify as MGTOW there is a 90% chance that women never even noticed you anyways.


cool so whats the issue, why are you shiling us towards persuing people who aren't interested in us anyway?

Are you saying I should pursuit women just so they can remind me that I really shouldnt be?

>>136208833
Hitler did the best he could, either way he lost.

He commited suicide or escaped to argentina, either way he didn't get married until the very end.

>>136208801
>Clearly they do considering how mmuch they line up to support lgbt and all that sexually perverse horseshit.
Who gives a shit? Some people are gay.

>Women offer nothing, so why should I care what they think of me when my goal is to avoid relationships with them in general.
O RLY?

Dude, you need to get laid.

>>136208635
>I'll be trying to get a tradwife to have kids with instead.

Who will on a dime flip directions and divorce rape you on a whim and a social-media post, for the attention.

Female entitlement enables woman to declare she's one moment a feminist, then a tradcon, then a feminist in one breath.

Women only need from men what they can get, and once obtained, you as a man are a husk and problem that can be neatly eliminated through the modern legal system.

Never fool yourself otherwise.

>>136209225
>Who will on a dime flip directions and divorce rape you on a whim
There is a chance of this statistically, but you guys act like it's a guarantee, it's not. Even the most hideous of unfiltered numbers is only about 50%. Which is high but still gives a 1 in 2 chance of things working out. I'd rather take those odds than live a meaningless boring life where suicide would be preferable.

>>136209430
>Even the most hideous of unfiltered numbers is only about 50%. Which is high but still gives a 1 in 2 chance of things working out.
That number is skewed by repeat marriages and people with no education. If you're a college graduate, the rate drops quite a bit.

>>136208513
>Lucky you, when it does what will you do?
I've lived with women for nearly 30-years. The last 5-years living without one has been fucking bliss.

I would sooner cut my dick off than share four walls and a roof with a cunt once more. Your mileage may vary.

>>136209430
So a bad scenario is getting divorced, while a good scenario is staying together and having to deal with an annoying, aging, nagging woman for the rest of your life. Hmm.

>>136175045
This.

>>136209157

>Dude, you need to get laid.

So women offer pussy, which benefits me very little.and not worth the risks and bullshit.

>Who gives a shit? Some people are gay.

some people are rapists, cannibals, pedophiles, thieves, and liars. So what.

>>136209653
Yeah like I said in the post that number is the worst possible number mgtow can really come up with. I didn't bother arguing about it because for one it doesn't really affect my point and two they'd latch on to it and argue about it.
Obviously the number most relevant to you taking into account your class/race/location/taste in women could be significantly lower.

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>>136177866
I know these feels.

>tfw you just want to marry a qt 3.14 Aryan woman to live a life full of love bearing many White children who will grow up to surround you and your wife with love 'till your dying years, but women have been corrupted and lied to by Feminism spawned from Jews spreading the idea that careers and being a slut is somehow liberating, and marriage is too much of a risk because adultery is not illegal, by the time women reach 18 they are already used up sluts, and courts remain in the favor of women.

I want nothing more than a wife a children, but the risk is just becoming to apparent to me. I also don't want to bring White children into a world where they will be a minority. I feel like we need to secure the future for White children before actually having any.

>>136208635
>I'll be trying to get a tradwife to have kids with instead.

Enjoy your future divorce and parental alienation.

I know I didn't.

>>136209895
Risk I'll take because the alternative is purposelessness and the death of us all.

>>136209430
> ignoring the power of statistics to believe any personal attempt at making his marriage "work" will even make a difference
> ignoring his marriage is essentially determined by a coin toss (50/50)

Hmmm. 50% chance of 20 years of slavery paying for children through child support even though there are no laws preventing the exwife to spend that money on herself, while you as a man work yourself to death alone without the children you prevented from seeing. That is like walking death for a man.

Get back to me when you realise thats probably more torture than staying single and economically free.

>>136177866
Also clearly you guys don't really care about other races except whites, so why should nonwhites keep pursuing women if they're just as bullshit if not worse.

>>136209764
You are falsely representing what the actual outcome of divorce would be:

Hmmm. 50% chance of 20 years of slavery paying for children through child support even though there are no laws preventing the exwife to spend that money on herself, while you as a man work yourself to death alone without the children you prevented from seeing. That is like walking death for a man.

Get back to me when you realise thats probably more torture than staying single and economically free.

>>136210056
>Get back to me when you realise thats probably more torture than staying single and economically free.
Ok what am I going to do in this state? Do hookers and snort blow? Sorry but nothing else holds any long term interest for me.

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>>136209764
It's funny because its true...sigh*

>>136210022
>death of us all.
How many billion people are on planet earth again??? Not likely

>>136209872
I found the stats. 78% of women with a bachelors degree are likely to stay married for 20 years the first time around.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/want-to-stay-married-get-a-degree-2014-09-29

>>136210287
I don't care about the other 6.7 billion.

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>>136208691
Nope. Most of the guys in my MGTOW group have been put through the marriage and divorce grinder and spat out.

They deliberately exclude / evict Incels (Elliot Rodger types).

>>136177924
>atheist
lol Holy shit, this (((movement))) all makes sense now. you betas neckbeards can stay cucked while Christians get the good girls.

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>>136209225
To sum up the thought that comes to your "wife" every time your face hoves into view...

"What have you done for me lately"

Because that is all she gives a flying fuck about.

>>136177099
>MGTOW should be encouraged to become lawyers, police officers, FBI/CIA and Financial intelligence/ IRS/ Treasury/ Security Exchange Commission employees
Unless being one of those is your goal then you should not do it. My life mission is not to become a fucking cop or a lawyer so i personally will not do it however someone else's might be and i am fine with that.
>not to mention those roles are better off for unmarried men, the stress and time away from home kills relationships
Why would we want more stress and time away? i personally don't.
> MGTOW would also make good professors/ academics/ journalists so they can preach the redpill to future generations.
Let's create material now that the future generations will be able to enjoy such as books, music, comedy videos etc.

If we leave shit behind the future generations will be able to have our knowledge and our works long after we are all dead.

>>136211192
>>136211192

im not an athiest, Im just a realist about relationships

>>136210022
>the alternative is purposelessness and the death of us all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_qvy82U4RE

>>136211709
Luckily for you, I am an atheist and I laugh at MGTOWs.

>>136211782
Are you attempting to influence me using pop culture right now.

>>136173420

Yes goyim, you have no need to procreate. Go your own way.

*counts sheckles*

>>136211900

But rick and morty isn't widely known, it's a smart cartoon for smart ppl and only a few loyal fans know about it.

The app they made was just for fun, right guise?

>>136211821
cool.

what does that have to do with me

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>>136210494
>likely to stay married for 20 years the first time around
>20 years the first time around
>first time around
>first time

So you get into your 40's when you have finally got all your shit together and then she hits the eject button for cash and prizes?

Sorry dude. Still not eating your shit sandwich.

>>136211957
>implying jews can survive without white people markets to parasite off of, and minorities to exploit

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>>136212059
You fucking reek of reddit
FOR FUCKS SAKE NEWFAGS LURK FIRST BEFORE POSTING

>>136211900
>Are you attempting to influence me using pop culture right now.

I thought that it was worth a shot...

>>136202286
>Implying MGTOW can get laid

>>136212307
>So you get into your 40's when you have finally got all your shit together and then she hits the eject button for cash and prizes?
I wonder why women don't seem to like you. I think it's the tinfoil hat on your head.

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>>136169250
ITT: ugly fat guys with zero social skills

>>136169250

It's another anti-white philosophy pushed by jews to stop whites from having white children.

It's stupid, but it definitely works on some people.

Yeah, having a family is hard. Yeah you have to give up some freedoms. Yeah woman can be insufferable and infuriating. You know what, every single one of your direct male ancestors did it, it wasn't easy for them either. If they hadnt you wouldnt exist. The best thing a white man can do forn the future is have white children. You think Muslims or Africans are falling for this mgtow shit?

We're in an arms race gentlemen. Toughen up.

>>136212762
Get good or die tryin', my dudes.

>>136211957
>Yes goyim, you have no need to procreate. Go your own way.

I've never understood this meme about "MGTOW is a Jewish conspiracy" bullshit. Is it meant to be a joke, because if it is I don't get it.

3rd wave Feminism and beyond is very strongly influenced by Jewish women and it certainly has brought modern Western society to it's knees, but I have always believed they did it for their own purposes, not to destroy society, although they have.

Quite how part of the opposition to it, started off by quite a number of different sources, but none of them obviously Jewish can somehow be a Jewish conspiracy I have no idea.

Maybe not everything is about the (((Juice)))?

>>136169250
It's the job of the 99% of men who aren't Chad's to happily marry and spend a lifetime providing for the blown out post-wall roasties once Chad has no more use for them.
Even if you got mgtow, simply by paying your taxes you'll provide for them.
Women, the only sex to take out of the system more than they put in.

>>136169250
(((MGTOW)))

>>136212736
>I wonder why women don't seem to like you.

Women like me fine. I was married long enough and had women both before and afterwards.

The thing is that I don't like threesomes and I'm not too keen on getting into bed with a woman if she has the state in bed with her already.

This is why I do short-term dating followed by "It's not you, it's me" when she starts getting cunty.

Cohabitation and marriage are bait-and-switch, nothing more.

>>136213257
>It's the job of the 99% of men who aren't Chad's to happily marry and spend a lifetime providing for the blown out post-wall roasties once Chad has no more use for them.
You know that you can get a pre-wall girl, right?

Women can smell your downer attitude from a mile away, man.

>>136213077
>Yeah, having a family is hard. Yeah you have to give up some freedoms
The difference vs then vs now is that responsibility and power went along so while you did give up some freedoms you had actual power over your wife and family and you could control what they did without them calling 911 or 999 (for my UK fags outthere) and throwing you in the paddy wagon for abuse.
>. Yeah woman can be insufferable and infuriating.
In the past you could at least have at least slapped them now you cannot even argue with them without your amazon fire calling the cops on you.
>You know what, every single one of your direct male ancestors did it
No i doubt it as some just fucked and got out quick or went from woman to woman (not monogamy ass shit).
>he best thing a white man can do forn the future is have white children. You think Muslims or Africans are falling for this mgtow shit?
Muslims and Africans do not have to deal with the same bullshit we have in the west with feminism revoking male authority over women.

If you beat your wife in Africa you will not go to prison in all places compared to the west.
>We're in an arms race gentlemen. Toughen up.
Man up won't work marriage is still a shit deal.

>>136213526
>The thing is that I don't like threesomes and I'm not too keen on getting into bed with a woman if she has the state in bed with her already.
Some divorce settlements are unfair, but some are not. You benefit from the protections of the government, too.

>>136213704
So tell me, what "protections" do I have as a married man that I don't have as a single man?

Because I can't honestly think of a fucking thing.

>>136213549
Them smelling the downer attitude would be a good thing though. MGTOW don't want women, its not like incels. Most/many MGTOW are divorced or been in horrid relationships. Virgins are the thirsty bitter ones, youve got to have been with a woman to truly hate them

>>136212576

It easier to trigger /pol/ than it is to breathe

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excuse me, what is difference between
>MGTOW
>bachelor
>virgin
cause everybody that talks around the matter put all those 3 into the same bag

>>136213178

You never understood the joke of it being a Jewish conspiracy yet you understand the joke that is MGTOW?

>>136213897
>MGTOW don't want women, its not like incels.
Keep telling yourself that.

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>>136203753
>still blaming women for how pathetic you are
You know that women are subservient to men, right? They become feminists and fat sjws cuz cucks like you let them.

>>136214209

True MGTOW would never touch a woman, because the fear of commitment that comes with it is scarier to them than death.

>>136214300

Feminists are missing something in their lives. It's usually a father, or a father that touched them in the wrong way (or not at all).

>>136213634

No one ever said it would easy. No one ever said it would be fair.

Your ancestors didn't have it easy like you think. Yeah, they didn't have divorce laws. They didn't fucking have antibiotics or painkillers either.

The alternative is the end of the white race. This silly bullshit just makes things worse.

To that point, MGTOW are also usually missing something, like a stable family and a mother that isn't a whore.

>>136177006
>people on 4chan are losers
More on this story as it develops.

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>>136214306
that doesn't even make sense, it is
>not true scotsman:MGTOW edition
anyway, posting woman hate from my /r9k/ folder

>>136214424

MGTOW are worse than feminists. At least feminists try to make men their bitch. MGTOW drop out completely, like a losing team. Speaking of team, the only thing they all have in common is their fear of women and marriage laws.