Refute atheism without resorting to fedora memes, I dare you

>>135658314
No.

>refute a metaphysical concept without resorting to pointing out the innate personality flaws in the cult-like followers of said concept

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>>135658314
Yeah we are all bunch of monkeys

>>135658314

You have made a simple observation: The non-existence of god, into a way of life.

Explain how this isn't simply a new Religion under the guise of not having one.

>>135658579
Apes actually.

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>>135658314

>>135658683
Just primates actually

>>135658621
>well you see it is actually a lack of belief. as an enlightened atheist, i dont BELIEVE in ANYTHING, I KNOW EVERYTHING!
atheism is what happens when you give young males brain damage and remove the context from their lives through mass media.

>>135658621
Where's the priests or doctrine?

>>135658314

>Everything that happened, happened because of no reason. The whole universe came out of nowhere and basically, 'life finds a way' an sheit. We wuz fishes an sheit cuz.

Yeah, don't see why people need to refute it. You people refuted it yourselves. Ironically enough, atheifags constantly bitch about religious people believing in 'magic' whereas in truth, they themselves believe in 'magic', 'chance', etc. the most.

How about you stop bitching about something you don't believe in the first place? Every time an atheifag talks about religion, its actually a subconscious cry for help cause their life doesn't make any sense to them.

Trying to explain what gods are to a materialist is like trying to explain algebra to a 7 year old. It's
theoretically possible, but I'm sure as hell not gonna try to phonepost it.

>>135658314
Because nobody can explain why the Big Bang happened. Also even without all the matter in the universe there is still a 3D environment that exists, and this environment had to be created by something. There is irrefutable proof that "something" created the 3D space which matter exists, but I can't tell you what that creator is.

>>135658314
I always love how ass burned Christians get at the thought of WHITE atheists but never question the 100 million nonwhite spics and niggers who go to church

>>135658314
You cant naturally create the universe or explain consciousness

>>135658621
And how exactly has it been made into a way of life?

>>135658880
>>135658621
>>135658470
>>135658579
Holy shit these are some bad arguments. No wonder why Christianity is dying in the intelligent west.

>>135658579
Classic Ken Ham level of intelligence

Ask God whether he exists. Pretty simple actually.

>>135658314
Humans are capable of overcoming the morality they and other advanced animals evolved with. Therefore, humans need some motivation to stay moral. If that motivation is just something vague like happiness in 10 years or a good society for your children, you're going to abandon it for instant gratification. Religion solves this problem. There might be other solutions, but atheism offers none. Atheism simply removes old systems and replaces them with nothing, i.e., it's a destructive force, not a constructive.

>>135658314
The law of conservation of mass states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. If you universe magically just popped into existance out of nowhere, it would defy the laws of physics as we know it. So either it's actually possible to create matter, and it happened some how, or some higher being or some event that we can not observe or understand was responsible. And if you ask me, conservation of mass seems like a pretty solid law.

>>135659397
>The law of conservation of mass
There's no such law. You're thinking of the conservation of energy, but that'd be a moot point, since the sum energy across everything might very well be zero.

>>135659059
Christian autism is one of the strangest things you'll see on 4chan. Any image of a righteous solemn DEUS VULT crusader in Templar armor is instantly broken when you take two seconds to argue with the Christians on this board. I don't see it anywhere else. It's like they adopt Christianity just because they think it's a counterculture to the degeneracy of the world

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>>135658314
mecca 9/11 is a documented paranormal event.

>>135658314
Refuting not believing in something?
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
People do not try to refute that people are atheists, so that's a stupid thing to demand a refutation of.

>>135658314

>atheism
Invented by Jews

>>135659530
Well, im certainly not a physicist, but I still feel as though saying the universe just sort of existed at some point with no explanation as to how it got there is a stupid idea.

>>135658579
Maybe niggers, I am proud Neanderthal

even Einstein believed in God.

Atheists are just scientologists that haven't heard about xenu yet, You are a cultist I have a personal relationship with God outside of any denomination.

>>135658314
Can i save this picture, sir?

>>135658930
>White
Most of atheists are jews.

>>135659059
>In the intelligent west
Do you actually think believing in nothing increases your IQ?

>>135658875
Your priests are Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson and your doctrine is "science"

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>>135658314
Use science to explain this one please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_2quVSXs0

>>135658314
Nobody cares but we all think you should kill yourself for being a fucking fedora faggot anyway.

>>135658314
No need, atheism is self refuting

>>135658314
Of course you can't refute the non-existence of a believe in something. However not believing in god(s) doesn't mean that you can't believe in stupid bullshit that is even crazier than [insert theistic religion of your choice].

>>135659728
The only thing we need for a university to exist is physical laws. Most of the energy of a vacuum is created by pairs of particles popping into existence and disappearing as right away as they collide. There can be an asymmetry in these pairs, in which case the particles might stay in existence. This is, for instance, expected to happen between two metal plates attracting each other when they're put extremely close to each other. The asymmetry comes up, since there's room for only certain types of pairs to form. We can assume that big bang might be some such asymmetry, but on a gargantuan scale. In that case the universe would have been empty to begin with, and the energy would be zero now as it was then.

>>135659632
All I usually see here is faggots like you claiming their intellectual superiority, but there's no actual debate going on.

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>>135658314
>Refute Christianity without Christcuck memes

It would either have to involve philosophical debate or a debate about evolutionism-creation
Mah dood.

>>135659961
>Your priests are Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson and your doctrine is "science"
Please let me know how you came to that answer.

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>>135659961
>Most of atheists are jews.

Wrong

But most Christians ARE shitskins, fact.

>>135660347
There's no debate because you people never wanted debate, atheism is the largest threat to your failing religion, not the Muslims or the shitskins who practice it.

You can't conclusively refute atheism itself any more than you can conclusively prove any given belief system, but you can definitely refute a lot of the edgy nihilistic worldviews of "nu-athiests"

>>135659632
>It's like they adopt Christianity just because they think it's a counterculture to the degeneracy of the world
That's fine. The culture needs to be countered. I'd advise ethnic pagan religion for that purpose, but that's as good a reason as any. The objective man is kept alive only by the protection of the practical man.

>>135658683
ape not kill ape

Atheism is the true holy faith. Your persistent belief in God disappoints him, for he is nature beyond nature, and more honored by reason than blindness. He is an opener of eyes and a power overwhelming. Whenever you think of fighting in God's defense as valuable, you are blaspheming against omnipotence, for God has no need of you.
Refute THAT.

>>135658314
Fundamentally, Atheism is the belief that the entirety of existence can be explained through physical science. The claim then becomes that something is only "real" if it can be proven through the scientific method. A thought is only a thought because we can see the neurons firing in a certain pattern, etcetera. Atheists then extrapolate the claim that since they cannot prove a metaphysical force, none exists.

This falls victim to one of the most classic logical fallacies and flaws of scientific inquiry: extrapolation. Anytime your model uses a small sample to define a pattern and then applies the patterns to a large or infinite sample, you're no longer doing science.

By definition, we cannot define or prove a metaphysical concept. At best we can operate on the fringes of science to feebly chart universal truths. But certainly, and without fail, these universal truths exist. The fundamental mistake of atheism is separating the physical from the metaphysical. Animals do not make this mistake. The yin and yang must operate together, and believing yourself better or smarter than the metaphysics of life is foolish.

Lets look at the most classic example you find with atheists: having children. Like ants carrying leaves in a single file or birds flying in a V, strange forces swirl within our psyche driving us to procreate. Can you explain the emotions with hormones? Yes. Can you understand the evolutionary impetus of said hormonal response? Probably. But can you ignore the metaphysical urge to see your progeny succeed and your family grow, without sacrificing a life well lived? You cannot.

Life is a lot of grey areas. Many things are neither good nor bad. But as you reach both ends of the spectrum, you encounter true evil, and you find true goodness. You can ruin your life or live it well, and religion is the collective metaphysic guiding human beings through the space in between.

>>135660686
There's no debate, because nobody tries to address the actual arguments, like the one I made earlier. It's far easier to just say your group is right and the other group is wrong.

>>135659059
prove its a bad argument you dumb faggot.

>>135658948
Proofs?

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>>135658314
"God does not exist" is just as provable of a statement as "God exists"

Done.

>>135660770
*Wanks*
Refute THIS, Christcucks!
*Has a euphoric cummy when nobody does it*
Ahhhhh... I am enlightened by my own inteligence...

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Bill Nye fans should get a kick out of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRhgdVrj6kY

There's a big semantic difference between agnostic atheism (I don't know if any gods exist, but I don't believe in any in particular) and gnostic atheism (I know for a fact that no gods exist)

>>135659372
Underrated best post in the thread. This is my current struggle. I'm an atheist but I know that religion is necessary for the masses. Do I put on the mask and lie to everyone so that I can encourage society to be good? Or do I continue to do what I think is right and let things degrade?

>>135661170
Its less religion and more a moral code.

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Heres another Great Bill Nye Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sV_W5nFmjA

>>135661275
If there was no religion I'd be dissecting humans trying to figure out how to start them again.

>>135658314
Most athiests from experience are a bunch of islamic apologists .

Which of these describes your belief about truth?
1. Absolute truth exists
2. Absolute truth does not exist
3. Who can know if absolute truth exists?
4. IDGAF if absolute truth exists?

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>>135658314
Not believing does not automatically make you better or smarter than anyone else. You are still a sad pile of genetic mishaps masturbating in a corner.

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>>135658314
Recovering fedoralord here.
Agnosticism is the only true intellectual position. The existence or non existence of God is ultimately unknowable and anyone who claims any differently is either a liar, an ignoramus or insane. Prove me wrong

>>135658314
Ok
Its autism
There, no fedora needed

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>>135659977
but really though someone tell me where this camera crew is.

>>135661349
Then you are a sick individual. The lack of a religion isnt thr problem, its you.

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>>135658314
this that you anon?

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>>135661649
We are not talking about me mate.

Tell me where this camera crew has gone.
>>135659977

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>>135658314
Don't believe in a god?
Good for you pal,I hope you let us have our beliefs just like you have yours
Good day

>>135658757
hominidae = apes

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>>135661649
Also I have never hurt anyone because Jesus The Lord has saved me.

>>135658314
There are no good reasons to believe God first exist. Until you can refute all arguments for the existence of a God, and provide a positive argument that he doesn't exist, the absolute best you can logically hope for is agnosticism.

>>135661560
Not an argument, why are christcucks so butthurt?

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>>135658314
>hey boy, I heard you were talking shit about atheism!

>>135659977
shitty acting but it gave me an /x/ boner nonetheless

>>135658924
like everything needs a why

>>135658948
You cant supernaturally create one either

>>135661782
>that pic
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence retard, this isn't an argument. By your logic we should let crazy people believe they're Napoleon instead of locking them up, they just have their own beliefs too, they're no different than us xDDD epic

Atheists claim intelligence as their domain, not realising that the intellectual response is to actually accept that there is a probability of the existence of a higher power. We just don't have the tools, thinking and understanding of scope to ever comprehend what that could be.

>>135659632
You can't prove that goes exists, but you also can't prove god doesn't exist. Arguing about it is literally pointless, theists have faith in a god, athiests have faith in no god. What you should be arguing is "Are the values taught by Jesus good and worth following or immoral and not worth following?"

That might be a bit difficult to most atheists that can't stomach to read a book that they claim to hate so much.

>>135662331

Saying that, the irony of the religion of atheism is one of this life's little pleasures. They even have their own holy text.

>>135662296
>getting worked up over a meme.jpg
I am Napoleon btw

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Believing in God is a primal instinct humans have. Those who aren't smart enough to see past it will go to great lengths trying to make sense of it through religiosity, i don't blame them

>>135662331
>realising that the intellectual response is to actually accept that there is a probability of the existence of a higher power.
There could be, but theres no proof nor can you prove the metaphysical, so why bother believing in thought exercises?

>>135662762
>just memeing guys xDDD
Lol

>>135662343
I'm an atheist.
I've read the bible countless times.
I simply have no need to adhere to the morality written in it because I am capable of creating my own morality. I inherently know it's wrong to kill or harm other people, because I have empathy. I know it's wrong to steal because I do not want to be stolen from myself. I know I should turn the other cheek in many situations because many people are not in control of their own thoughts and actions and act out of impulse and they can't but help do what they do. I don't need Jesus or Buddha or Odin to tell me that, my own brain tells me that.

>>135662925
Pay depths Muslim moor

>>135658314
Unfalsifiable claim just like theism. You can't objectively state "God exists" nor can you objectively state "God does not exist" because we do not have the scientific tools to measure the existence of God. The only logical answer is agnosticism.

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>>135658314
>pro tip

Exactly

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>>135658924
>Because nobody can explain why the Big Bang happened.
>>135658579
>Yeah we are all bunch of monkeys

Evolution and Cosmic Inflation have nothing to do with non-belief in made-up gods.


>Trying to explain what gods are to a materialist is like trying to explain algebra to a 7 year old.
You've got it backwards. Religion is for people with the minds of children. Listening to them explain their gods is exactly like listening to a child explain differential equations.

>>135663058

Why does that make you an atheist? All you are describing is the lack of an organised religion, not the absence of a higher power.

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>>135658314
>>>/b/

>>135661782
An Ancient jewish book that is easily disproven. Science stating you are a hybrid between your grandparents bone structure that is easily tested and proven.

>>135660486
You tell me how you don't come to that answer. I've never met a fucking atheist that bad talked science.

>>135660601
Of course you'll get 82%. Jews identify as white people.

>>135663386
Supply and demand. I don't have a demand for a moral compass and have no need for the supply of higher power guidance.

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>>135661930
dunno if you noticed or not but it is not we who are being killed by paranormal happenings and our lives are not falling apart as everyone elses is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2J9Wn6l1kM

>>135662178
Willing to wager on that ?

Check out the Picture.

>>135658314
Easy. If you are an atheist you are just as bad, if not worse, than a theist.

An atheist is SO SURE there's no god. How? How can you be sure? You just know? You believe there isn't one? Sounds a lot like religious people, doesn't it?

The reason why believing in a higher power is more reasonable than atheism is that how did everything get here? What started it all? What reasonable person would believe that the Earth would form to be perfect to sustain life and allow intelligent beings to evolve?

Realistically, agnostics are the most "intellectual" in that they recognize the inherent flaws in having an opinion one way or another that some higher power exists when there's no proof supporting either conclusion. So, atheists are probably the dumbest of the whole group.

>>135660486
See
>>135663734

>>135662343
>Are the values taught by Jesus good and worth following or immoral and not worth following?
How would you make such value judgments without a predefined value system? Atheists tend to be Christians for the most part. They just leave the believing in god out of it. You can't really give a logical reason why we shouldn't execute provably guilty murderers. It comes down to the divinity of man as bible tells it, but somehow most atheists would still be against the capital punishment. Then there are things like the good of an individual and the good of the greater society. Why should anyone strive for the good of the society, instead of their own good? Or the contrary?

I think the values of Christianity are quite good, since western countries have a very strong Christian background and they turned up quite nicely. Better than most others, that's for sure. We could try to somehow predict what kind of future some set of norms and values would bring about, but history has shown that the values of Christianity are already quite functional. It would make sense to further refine them to keep up the evolution, but I think it'd be foolish to ditch them completely.

>>135663058
>I am capable of creating my own morality
No you're not.
>I inherently know it's wrong to kill or harm other people, because I have empathy.
Why should empathy stop you from killing those who are threats to you? You could argue that the Chinese are driving climate change and so they're directly endangering you. Then it would make sense to kill them all. Your current morality would stop you from doing this, but your empathy certainly wouldn't. A woman killing a snake that's threatening her child certainly feels no empathy towards the snake.
>I know it's wrong to steal because I do not want to be stolen from myself.
Why should you stealing from others have an effect of whether or not someone else tries to steal from you? Are you saying other people would have the same kind of morality as you?

>>135658314
Nearly half of all LGBT adults are atheist, compared to 4% of the general population.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/06/13/a-survey-of-lgbt-americans/7

>>135663167
>You can't objectively state "God exists" nor can you objectively state "God does not exist" because we do not have the scientific tools to measure the existence of God.
First, if the theists cannot prove their gods exist, then there is nothing for atheists to disprove.

>The only logical answer is agnosticism.
It is not logical. Believers in the current gods do not believe in the thousands of past gods. None of us believe those were real gods. This suggest that, as time passes, the current gods will join the non-existence of the previous gods

Based on a perfect track record, the strong inductive evidence is that all gods eventually fade into obscurity.

Finally, believers say that when they die, they will be closer to their gods. Atheists agree. When we die, we become non-existent - just like their gods.

>>135660720
It's not fine. Christianity is not just a religion that is to be followed because of it's use. That's a modernist argument that is too often used by right-wing atheists. Christianity is the one true faith and the absolute truth and anyone who says anything else can fuck off

>>135658314
Your pretendimg you understand reality - same as the christcucks

>>135658314
It's ugly.

>>135664056
>Are you saying other people would have the same kind of morality as you?
Good grief, you're fucking anonymous. I'm glad I can be here to tell you that morality is a consensus innovation that inherently functions accordingly regardless of base paradigms.

>>135664285
The Dead Sea shuts up any Atheist, Due to the Fact any visitor to the Dead sea can very easily tell it is not natural at all... you can even go and visit the ruined metropolises.

>>135664285
>It is not logical. Believers in the current gods do not believe in the thousands of past gods. None of us believe those were real gods. This suggest that, as time passes, the current gods will join the non-existence of the previous gods
But the existence of belief in some higher power is perpetual, just because the name or the book changes, people continue to believe in a higher power.
>Based on a perfect track record, the strong inductive evidence is that all gods eventually fade into obscurity.
Yes, and another takes its place.
>Finally, believers say that when they die, they will be closer to their gods. Atheists agree. When we die, we become non-existent - just like their gods.
Edgy response, tip that fedora

>>135661275
Imagine actually believing this

>>135664480
Yes, we call our shared morality Christianity.

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>>135664508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXaRqRsLFgI

>>135664204
I am an atheist. I acknowledge there's evidence for the Big Bang while there is none for God.

>>135661012
Good job missing the cryptotheism entirely. You totally proved how superior your intelligence was.

>>135664568
Morality is independent from religion

>>135662331
>Atheists claim intelligence as their domain,
Intelligence has nothing to do with atheism, however, people of diminished intellectual capacity generally tend to be believers.

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>>135664706
Your hero disagrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7ukpCyYG0

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>>135663734
>An Ancient jewish book that is easily disproven.
Give me the thesis that "disproves" the gospel,I'll wait

>Science stating you are a hybrid between your grandparents bone structure that is easily tested and proven.
And? Does this disprove my faith?
Science can't even fully explore the oceans depths nor fully understand how consciousness works but think they can disprove god
Topkek

>>135663965
An atheist is a person who doesn't believe in God because no proof has been presented for his existence, which is a perfectly rational belief. Being an atheist doesn't mean you're sure there's no god, agnostic atheism is a thing.
Also:
>What reasonable person would believe that the Earth would form to be perfect to sustain life and allow intelligent beings to evolve?
Lol, it's just random chance idiot, the universe is infinite of course there's gonna be at least one place in the universe with those conditions

>>135664706
Ok, how did the big bang happen?

>>135664736
and yet religion gives shape and nuance to morality, while also being based on it

>>135664681
>argument from ignorance

You mean like faith in god?

>>135664845
I've linked plenty in the thread for them to ignore it does not an arguement make.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_rod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjg7LsSZ1tI

>>135664508
What sort of braindead argument is that?

>I don't understand it
>ergo nobody can
>ergo god

???

>>135664919
So you admit atheism is a religion?

>>135664845
>it's just random chance idiot
If we're talking about proof, what are the odds that earth was formed the way it was, one in a billion? Much more?
Takes a special kind of stupid to completely disclose the possibility of that being something other than chance.

>>135664895
Its advantageous toborganized society not to cheat or steal or kill. Theres nothing necessary about religion.

>>135665087
You can't make the material used to destroy the cities.

>>135665101
No, I just enjoy poking holes in poorly thought out webcomics.

You tell me how to make Orbitally rearranged monoatomic sulfur thats 99.9% pure and I will give you a laboratory.

>>135659728
Well, im certainly not a theologian, but I feel as though saying God just sort of existed as some point with no explanation as to how He got there is a stupid idea.

>>135665214
It'd also advantageous for you to be studying and working right now. Why are you not doing it? What makes you think you would adhere to your morality if you can't adhere to a strict work ethic?

>>135665247
Let me refer you to
>>135665087

>>135665360
>poking holes
really? when are you going to start?

>>135662139
Jojo Part 9 is looking amazing.

Shit freaks me out when i think of what happens after i die

>>135665214
religion is necessary because it institutionalises morality and also develops culture, not to mention the benefit christianity has given to the world

>>135661170
You can just read the Bible for the moral teachings. You can go to church and meet Christians, nobody will mind if you are an atheist.

>>135665459
You can't see yourself dumbfuck.

>>135665715
see
>>135665715
see

>>135658880
>bastardize an argument
>see, I win :^)

nice try ahmed

>>135665360
This ain't a webcomic stupid.

>/pol/ thinks that replying "Deus Vult" in threads between sessions of watching drawn Japanese child porn makes them a Christian

Yes lads, clearly god's chosen. Feel sad for how many of you play up really.

Not even aliens with technology thats 10 billion years in advancement could make the material that rained down on those cities we have plenty of samples of it.

>>135665387
This isnt an argument.
>>135665635
Culture and laws shape society, which are based on shared interests and morality. Religion came about as an aspect of metaphysical philosophy such as what happens when we die or to explain phenomena such as volcanic eruptions, not as a need to keep society intact.

>>135658314
What is there to refute? Absolutely nothing. You have no beliefs.

>>135658621
How does taking religion out of your decision making is considered a way of life
>>135658765
>i dont BELIEVE in ANYTHING
Anything =/= God
>I KNOW EVERYTHING
This would apply more to someone who believes that his God created everything than to someone who doesn't know how everything started (what caused bigbang etc.)

>>135666055
>This isnt an argument.
It quite literally is and you spectacularly failed to address it.

Why am I even bothering to try to talk to you brainlets?

>>135666265
Youre talking nonsense. I cant respond to it.

>>135661525
Everyone knows this is is a tactic of the lying ass Sye Ten Bruggencate and how it will go in a script made by him and his fellow creationists.

>>135665378
>at some point
Philosophy's God never existed "at some point". He is separate from time and space, an outsider who creates and influences a system he created. It's like looking for Shakespeare in Hamlet. You won't see Shakespeare in Act 3. Hamlet had to be written by someone, and the one who wrote it exists completely outside of the system, though we so see the mark of its creator left in the play itself. The same is true for the world.

>>135659059
I'm having 6 white babies and I will teach them philosophy instead of illogical religions.

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>>135663965
>An atheist is SO SURE there's no god. How? How can you be sure?
Do you worship Ra? Zeus? Jupiter? Uhuru Mazda? You consider them to be real gods like yours? Why not?

>The reason why believing in a higher power is more reasonable than atheism is that how did everything get here?
This is the "gods of the gaps" arguments. Whatever science can't explain must be the work of ghosts, demons, fairies, deities and other supernatural beings.

>the Earth would form to be perfect to sustain life and allow intelligent beings to evolve?
The earth is not "perfect" to sustain life. 90% of all life that has ever live on Earth was eaten alive by some other creature. We can only survive on a tiny sliver of the crust and without science and technology, we are limited to just a few thousand feet of altitude/depth. Even with technology, there is no other place we can survive for thousands of light years away.

We're locked in a space prison.

>Realistically, agnostics are the most "intellectual"
It is ironically appropriate you put that in quotes to indicate sarcasm.

Go back to /b/ fag

And also mods get this one

>>135658470
>every atheist believes the same thing to the exact same level of commitment

>>135665183
There's an INFINITE number of stars in the universe and you're still impressed that over a 13 billion year period one of them managed to form just right in order to develop intelligent life. If you can't understand how stupid that sounds then I don't know what to say to you. The current odds for us being the only technologically advanced species in the Milky Way (not even the universe) are 1 in 60 billion btw.

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Here is some Proof of a God.

>>135666055
Are you willingly ignoring the tremendous influence christianity had on society or are you just downplaying it?

>>135665183
Do you know how many planets there are in the universe? FAR more than a billion. Just in the observable universe there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets. So yes, I'll put my odds on the 1/1,000,000,000 chance.

>>135658579
We share common ancestors. You'd know that if you're weren't indoctrinated into your fairy tale and learned basic science.

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>>135666641
how come the constellations never change?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRSp-4caKE

>>135664508
>The Dead Sea shuts up any Atheist,
It makes no difference whether gibberish is written on gold plates or paper napkins.

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Also, fuck populists like Nye, Dawkins and DeGrasse Tyson, who wrap up agnostic atheism and science into a book-selling, lecture-giving monstrosity that doesn't even seek to convince people on "the other side".

It's the scientific method, it doesn't need TED talks or TV shows wanking off about the universe or gender or whatever. They're shysters, they really are.

>>135666407
Someone made Shakespeare. His parents. Does God have someone who made him? Or was he just always there outside of "time and space"? He seems like a copy of Romeo and Juliet floating around nothingness.

>>135666655
What did the common ancestor look like? Can you give me a mock-up?

>>135666784
>"A Place is written on paper and thats all it is"

Wow you science freaks sure are dumb.

You're right, there is no sky daddy. No shit, sherlock.

But the bible is by far humanity's best and most thorough answer to the question "how should we conduct ourselves in the world?" And since christianity has served as the philosophical foundation for every western culture in existence, you fedorafags should think long and fucking hard before trying to dismantle it everywhere it exists.

>>135661011
>"God does not exist" is just as provable of a statement as "God exists"


>"God is a Polar Bear on Pluto" is just as provable of a statement as "God isn't a polar bear on Pluto"

>>135665387
>What makes you think you would adhere to your morality if you can't adhere to a strict work ethic?
Two problems with this claim.
The first is that you assume he doesn't have a strict work ethic; perhaps he just got done with a major project or is enjoying a late lunch break. If simply posting online is a sign of poor work ethic, then everyone here, including you and I, apparently have that.
Secondly, you assume people naturally adhere to their morality constantly, 24/7. This is false, of course. Humans cannot be expected to attain such levels of morality all the time; even in the time of Christianity, there were still murderers and some amount of debauchery. What you propose can only be accomplished by those with such strong will and drive they could only be called ubermensch.

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>>135666655

>>135658621
>You have made a simple observation: The non-existence of god, into a way of life.
But we haven't. Atheism doesn't presuppose anything except no belief in god. You can be an atheist and a solipsist. An atheist and a Nietzschen. An atheist and a Marxist. An atheist and a race realist. The same can't be said for someone that identifies with a particular religion.

>>135658314
Nothing can't make something out of more nothing.

Apathism. nuff said

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>>135666901
Have you ever actually looked for any evidence of God or only listened to what Satanists have to say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtrqTFpj5WY

https://youtu.be/dsbj7EN1Uzs

>>135659372
Prove evolution

>You can't

>>135666398
"Everyone knows," is an absolute statement. I'll put you down as knowing there is absolute truth.

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cause even they believe in him.....

>>135666846
Shakespeare needs a creator because he has a beginning and end. God does not require a creator because He is infinite, existing outside the confines of time and space.

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>>135659961
>Your priests are Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson and your doctrine is "science"

All of my what. I can't even begin to ask questions on how you came to that conclusion... Are you like retarded or something?

>>135666847
Are you suggesting that you're only willing to believe something if you have visual evidence? Because I assure you, it's much more difficult for you to maintain that view consistently as a religious person.

Very simple. Just as a book requiers a writer and a code requiers a coder. Dna requiers a desinger. You don't find a book buired in the ground then assume that it is the result of the random interaction between paper and ink. So why would you say that about our dna which is much more complex than a book.

>>135666884
>But the bible is by far humanity's best and most thorough answer to the question "how should we conduct ourselves in the world?" And since christianity has served as the philosophical foundation for every western culture in existence, you fedorafags should think long and fucking hard before trying to dismantle it everywhere it exists.

Why does it seem like you've never read any of the arguments against these positions?

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so its kinda wierd that Atheists are even a thing...

Even Richard Dawkins relented after being picked to pieces by a superior intellect.

>>135666588
Western philosophy was around far longer than christianity. Why not argue for greco roman paganism?

>>135667031
Physicists don't mean nothing in the literal everyday sense. So your argument is just a tiresome strawman.

>>135667273
No, I just want to know what the common ancestor looked like. Don't dodge the question.

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>>135658880
>Everything that happened, happened because of no reason
Why should every thing that happens have grater meaning than "some field got distorted" or any reason at all?
>>135658924
Well the "you don't know what caused big bang or what happened before" is actually pretty similar to the "what was before god" question. And if your answer would be "Well there was nothing before god as god was always there" Then why can't atheists argue that the universe was always there?

>>135667392
What do they mean then?

>>135667324
Western philosophy preceded christianity indeed but christianity had a far more profound influence on our cultures and history than Plato or Diogenes ever did

atheists seem to think that having deities is always same thing as "hurrr i believe in tooth fairy look how retard i am xDDD"

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>>135667528
people that get paid money to not complete experiments and cry to their military industrial complex friends when someone makes a car that runs on water.

>>135658314

1. God isnt falsifiable with science
2. Atheists are a cult like christian religion without christianity
3. Atheists are cuck fag autistic numales
4. How can you be moral without religion?

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>>135666926
>then everyone here, including you and I, apparently have that.
Absolutely correct.
>Secondly, you assume people naturally adhere to their morality constantly, 24/7.
Where did I make such claims?
>What you propose can only be accomplished by those with such strong will and drive they could only be called ubermensch.
Indeed. Christianity does not solve everything. We could certainly strive towards Nietzsche's Übermensch, but Christianity has brought us this war. I'm not claiming religion makes us all moral, since it doesn't. I'm claiming that it does do a better job than just some self-imposed and self-regulated morality.

I've explained my stance here: >>135659372 and here: >>135664056

None of the wise atheists really refuted any of my points, so I'm going to sleep now.

>>135658314
>believing you know the truth when it would be impossible to know
The very definition of a lack of wisdom and intelligence.

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>>135658314
lurk /sci/ newfag, they regularly post the mathematical proof of a higher power there just for dumbfucks like you

>>135667324
Why? Because he happens to be alive in an age where Christianity is the most popular and socially acceptable religion in his environment. People tend to go with the most socially acceptable option.
Plus his family members are probably Christians, it would have been part of his developmental experience.

>>135660686
It's not though since atheism is decreasing

Atheis is destroying western countries they amde studies about how there are not anymore people who can have babies infertility and feminization affected all people and dont say is not Allah orders that u disobeyed that bring u to this

>>135666767
1. The constellations do change, it just takes some good equipment to measure it. 2, I have no idea what that video was trying to say, but it looked like some pretty shitty creationist propaganda. 3. I fucking hate Bill Nye, and global warming agenda, but the obvious message of that statement was that we shouldn't destroy the Earth with pollution (not that these people are worried about the Earth, they are worried about a clean place to live, the Earth has dealt with far worse than some plastic).
And nice Libertarian flag, you retarded faggot.

>>135658314
It is obviously retarded to discard religion just because one is unable to prove it.
If you are a logical person (like almost all Atheist claim to be) then you have to realize that there is just as much proof that god exists as that god does not exist, in both cases it is zero proof.

The statement "god does not exist" is categorically unsupported by logic and science in general(Atheists who bring up science are fucking retarded), while the statement "I believe in the existence of a god" can be factually correct.


>>135664706
The big bang is the strongest argument theists could ever have.

>>135667278
what a fucking retarded analogy

>>135667586
Except all of our modern philosophy is from the greeks and romans. Christians even used these philosophies to argue the case for god. Our concepts of mathematics also come from those people. The sciences? Greco Roman in origin. Our alphabet? Latin. Our foundations of democracy? Greek.

>>135667689
>Absolutely correct.
No. At least one of us has to have good work ethic.
>Where did I make such claims.
Within the post, you implied it heavily by your willingness to point out a relatively minor fault of an anon. You may not have done it intentionally, but you still did it.
>I've explained my stance here
I'll look at it in time. For now I have projects to work on.

>>135667986
not actually...

>>135658880
If your into Christianity for the community I understand. But, to actually believe in it is another thing. I believe in Deism, That there is some form of a creator. Anyone that has done any amount of thinking about the universe should come to a similar conclusion. Assuming the big bang theory is correct something had to have triggered it that is beyond our rules of physics. But the Christian "god" is not omniscient and clearly doesn't love everyone. That much should be obvious with how many children have died to disease before they have committed a single sin.

>>135667970

>The statement "god does not exist" is categorically unsupported by logic and science in general(Atheists who bring up science are fucking retarded), while the statement "I believe in the existence of a god" can be factually correct.

Oh well that's sorted then Klaus. I am glad your giant brain has helped us all.

>>135668056
Direct influence. I'm not saying that western philosophy didn't have an impact but christianity is the intermediary between the philosophy and society.

>>135667228
So, let me get this straight. You have made up this whole other place "outside time and space" for your imaginary friends to live? That's really sweet of you.

>>135668106
it's completely retarded
books and code lines don't replicate themselves just because
you're ignoring key differences making arguments based on intellectual dishonesty

>>135668213
Its entire basis is on platforms thay existed far before it.

>>135668207
nice argument retard.

Name calling is certainly the strongest argument you retards have.

>>135667278
There's plenty of counter arguments, counter arguments that are better, to the argument from design that you've just repeated. If you're really willing to accept a whole metaphysical belief system on a weak analogy like that... I got news for you.

>>135667212
>"Everyone knows," is an absolute statement. I'll put you down as knowing there is absolute truth.
No it is just a metaphor

>>135667259
It's true, no matter how much you try to deny it. You preach about magnificent science is and act like little asshurt faggots whenever someone questions it.

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>>135664514
>But the existence of belief in some higher power is perpetual,
The idea that we feel something larger than ourselves is the source of human altruism. It does not mean the sky daddy built the Crab Nebula.

Imagine cavemen 20,000 years ago. One day Thag is living, the next day he's dead. Their limited understanding was such that the magic or whatever it was that made Thag live was gone. Hucksters and grifters quickly realized they could bottle this misperception up and sell it like snake oil for just a 10% tithe.

Men make morals. Then evil men fabricate gods to enforce their morals. Historically, those evil men exploited the naturally spiritual trait of human consciousness to enslave trusting people.

>just because the name or the book changes,
Very perceptive. Religions are daisy-chains of nonsense, the one thing that changes is their book.

>>135668243
It wouldn't be a place. Not in the sense we have of it, due to existing outside of time. Though, if you're so confident, you should suggest a valid alternative to the creation of the universe by an outside influence.

>>135668352

>retard
>Name calling is certainly the strongest argument you retards have.

I was being sincere though. How rude.

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https://youtu.be/j56UkYdqDvM

>>135667938
The flag is unimportant just like yours.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/30/nasa-new-zodiac-sign-ophiuchus-astrology-space

If the "Obvious" Message was to stop pollution how about stopping all the toxic material being pumped into our atmosphere it Acid rain used to be science fiction mate.

Plants need carbon to survive, Take your eugenics agenda else where.

>>135667278
Completely idiotic.
DNA was created by a natural process.

Your analogy goes something like this:
Someone finds a geode in the sand and assumes that was created by humans because it looks "unnatural".

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>>135666901
That is actually a proveable/unproveable statement because we can send a probe to look for a polar bear on Pluto.

The existance/non-existance of "God/gods" is not because we can't devise an experiment to prove such a thing.

I'm really not sure what point you were even trying to make.

>>135667687
>How can you be moral without religion?
That is the one single most retarded argument there has ever been.
If all religions are fake (except yours, naturally), where did their morals come from? That's right, some one came up with them and forced it down everyone's throat.
What if every individual came up with their own notions of ethics that would meet and be discussed in the collective arena of morality, without the upper intervention of a clique guiding morals meet their own intentions?
All there is to lose is false idols and mental slavery.

Don't be afraid of what you know is the truth, dear Aussiefag.

>>135668666
Checked. Don't give them traffic.

>https://youtu be/j56UkYdqDvM
https://hooktube.com/j56UkYdqDvM
>https://theguardian com/science/2016/sep/30/nasa-new-zodiac-sign-ophiuchus-astrology-space
https://archive.is/LY1LU

>>135667528
It's not something that can be explained in 5 minutes. And I have no interest in typing out several paragraphs just for you to straw man it. But I will suggest that you watch a lecture by Lawrence Krause called 'a universe from nothing'. The man is insufferable politically, but that's a good lecture and explains the distinction.

>>135666655
Wonder why missing link hasn't been found.

>>135668433
>projecting this hard
Science is all about questioning. Religion is the antithesis of that.
>listen and believe

>>135668635
>I was being sincere though.
Then I have to say that I am sorry.
I apologize for my rudeness.

>>135668753
Science is what you think it is today.

>>135658765
This guy is right.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/611992/Scientists-experiment-magnets-immigrants-God-magnetic-waves

Atheism is a result of brain damage.

>>135668753
Catholcism is the whole point in reading the bible to to expand our awareness the bible itself forces us to take up the scientific method you are aware for about one thousand years the greatest scientists where religious because non religious people where put to death.

Now I see why they where put to death with all this fedora tipping.

The shit you guys worship Proves God to be infact very Real.

>>135658314
declining birth rates among atheists

>>135658314
M) where did the universe come from?
A) nothing
M) ... nigga really?

>>135664839
god doesn't exist anon there is alot of evidence in religious books (not just the bibler) that god is actually ancient people being visited by aliens since they had no idea about how anything in the world worked the decided these aliens must be gods. For example tribes in africa have worshiped planes as they think they are gods as they have no fucking idea what a plane is

>>135668977
Even though catholics are wicked demon worshippers that worship literally Lucifer the point I am making are there are indeed Christian Scientists.

Just saying they don't exist doesn't make your statement fact and I thought you guys where data driven........


If Einstein believed in God what makes you better than that thieving hebrew ?

>>135664771
Why would you even make that snide comment if you believe intelligence has nothing to do with atheism?

>>135668630
God can be replaced in your argument by any mythical creature or by any god from any religion and it would still be logically consistent.

Either way, you're not doing anything productive. You're not establishing the existence of God or increasing collective human knowledge. You're just moving the goal posts with words to such a ridiculous extent that it removes your god from any possible inquiry. You're just making shit up.

99.9997% of humans believe in some form of higher power.

The onus is not on us to prove anything.

:^)

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>ITT : Atheists thinking they are better than Einstein.

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Gods are useless.

>>135668844
Isn't*

>>135658880
>How about you stop bitching about something you don't believe in the first place? Every time an atheifag talks about religion, its actually a subconscious cry for help cause their life doesn't make any sense to them.
BTFO'd atheists

>>135669253
A lot of those are Muslims. Prove them wrong then.

>>135669110
>its was the aliens
Stop watching the history channel anon

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>*goes on a quest to become a God since they are so useless*

>>135667809
>Atheis is destroying western countries
Atheism is the only thing that can save the West from the Kremlin and Islam.

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>>135669309
>>135669392

>>135669434
Yeah by letting in more peaceful refugees.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-to-atheists-we-need-your-help-2013-12?IR=T

And Atheists wonder why we are trying to murder this guy.

>>135669500
That's what your faggot Pope wants to do, nice try though, christcuck

>>135668753
>“autistic screeching”
Atheism =/= science.
Atheism means someone thinks science has 100% concluded with everything, and "we" know everything. Referring to science (appeal to authority) is also used to imply that the atheist (or autist) has 3000 years of science in his head and fully capable to applying it on the first run on everything. A bit overconfident.
In fact there is more we don't know that we do know, hence the need for religion. But a good one that results in freedom, peace and prosperity: Christianity.

>>135669253
99% of americans think mutilating a dick makes the person immune to stds
People are mostly retarded m80

>>135669645
he'll only be mine when I possess his skull.

>>13566919
So you admit there must be a creator then? You still haven't given an alternative.

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>>135669721
notice how he deletes the post he has an agenda.

>>135668429
You mean hyperbole. A metaphor would involve comparison.

>>135669717
It's not just the Pope it's the whole point of your religion, to help whoever is in need and that's why shit like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Aid
exist and help Africa reach China tier population.
>inb4 that's a lie christianity is le badass and redpilled (turns the other cheek)

>>135668717
>Don't give them traffic.
Give the traffic to an archiving server in Israel instead? That must be very convenient for Israel, not to mention the treasure trove of detailed information about every /pol/ user who archives or reads the archive.

If God isn't real them how come OP is such a fucking faggot?
Checkmate dickhead, enjoy your AIDs.
Oh and what's that Jesus, you are also going to give OP cancer in his balls, and make him a spastic in a traffic accident?
Fuck yeah. I love it when bad shit happens to heathens.

>>135669356
No. They aren't wrong. They're ill-informed. You can know how to drive a car but that doesn't make you an auto mechanic.

>>135669693
>le smug superior face
Passing freshman philosophy didn't make you any smarter than some rice farming chink... just more smug.

>>135669253
That doesn't make the case for your particular god or religion good. Since there's a 1000 other gods in there.

And people have made religion untenable, more or less. The simple fact that religious people have to constantly move the goal posts as science advances demonstrates this. There's almost a linear relationship between scientific advancement and the abandonment of certain religious doctrine in response to it.

>>135658765
>I know EVERYTHING
Said no atheist or scientist ever
>I know EVERYTHING
Implies every single religion, because the root cause of everything is god

>claims to be Christian
>is a racist/"race realist" in a continent Jesus had no clue existed

>>135658314
Why should I when that's all that's needed? Watch this:
*tips fedora*
BTFO much?
Mad brah?

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>>135669967
Turning the other cheek was because the left hand was your arse wiping hand if you hit someone with the left hand his boys would murderlize the shit out of you and your tribe with their swords.

>>135669308
Einstein didn't believe in a literal god.
You should have said Newton, dumb dumb.

>>135668888
EXTREMELY underrated

>>135670025
religion is a foundation. Our teachings haven't changed in thousands of years.

If anybody is moving the goal posts, it's faggot liberal science bitches.

>>135660720
LARP

>>135670165
The God of Spinoza a fluid force that is and pervaudes the universe.

Einstein most certainly believed in God, his most famous quotes are in regards to God.

The Fact Quantum Entanglement exists and the Observer principal and is provable means by which my own thoughts can manifest a New God.

>>135669978
If you can't even recognize domain extensions you aren't old enough to have your opinion considered, sorry.

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>>135669676
>Atheism means someone thinks science has 100% concluded with everything, and "we" know everything.
Atheism is non-belief in made-up gods.

Our brains have evolved in way that strongly promotes the ability to reason, however we can "suspend disbelief" to engage in brief flights of fantasy. We needed our imaginations to be able to hypothize and plan ahead. We needed to be able to speculate on the movements of herds, etc. Irrational thinking has some utility for very short periods and our brains are well suited for it. However, we are not meant to suspend our disbelief for long periods of time. Living in delusions and daydreams would have been the fastest path to paleolithic death.

The irrational beliefs of theists, for extended periods are having a profound and deleterious effect on their brain's chemistry. Holding mutually exclusive concepts without question or scrutiny creates a harmful cognitive dissonance. The long term strain of this deliberate dissonance damages their ability to think rationally.

It even causes insane beliebers to spout patently ridiculous nonsense like, "The universe was created by a magic sky daddy" and "Atheism is a religion", etc. Atheism is only the non-belief in made-up gods. Any other definition is falsified and a clear symptom of this lack of rationality.

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Oh lookey here, a thread filled with Atheists fedorafags who don't even know the slightest bit of biblical literature or actual philosophy, likely getting all their "facts" from Reddit "sources", and yet somehow have the audacity to shit on Christianity all whilst Muhammad Ali fuck them in the ass. How hilarious.

>>135670127
I don't remember Jesus ever saying it was the right thing to do to open your doors to billions of 3rd worlders to act a slave caste for corporations and undercut wage

>>135670277
So you believe in the bible literally?
You believe that the world is less than 10,000 years old?

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>>135669392

>>135669978
>Give the traffic to an archiving server in Israel instead?
The server is not in Israel...

>That must be very convenient for Israel, not to mention the treasure trove of detailed information about every /pol/ user who archives or reads the archive.
I don't think you know how internet surveillance works...

>>135670020
>you're smug
and you're fucking delusional.
Is this an argument ?
I recognize the utilitarian side of the whole religion thing when discussing society, and surely it has its merits
But we ain't discussing that here. So at what point do you draw the line m80 ? Was noah real ? Was garden of eden real ? Was the 6 days creation real ? How much christian are you exactly ?

>>135670507
You obviously don't understand what foundation means...

>>135670439
Just to add to your point.

Deuteronomy 27:19 ESV / 1,303 helpful votes
“‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
>"cursed be anyone that says the immigrant has more rights because of how much this book says to care for immigrants"

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>>135670519
How do you know my Secret Weapon ?

>>135658314
>refute a null claim
shiggy diggy doo

I don't know if a higher power exists. Looking at the universe and events that happen around me I think it's defiantly possible. I'm pretty sure it's probably not anything like the Christian god if there is one, but I like Christianity and most of it's values so If some sort of holy war were to happen I know what side to pick. There are some stories in the bible that I have questions about even after studying it in a historical context, but as a whole I've found the bible to be a good read. Plus, people who aren't as smart need something to latch onto to give their life meaning. Atheists are just stupid people who chose to latch onto nihilism rather than religion, and they annoy the living piss out of everyone with it, far worse that any christian. A christian saying "god is with me" or "I hope god guides you through your life" is sort of nice, atheists interrupting prayers and interjecting "GOD DON'T REEL WUT R U STOOPID" is far more grating.

Most of people are hopelessly dumb. It's reality. No scientific progress can fix it. The dominant part of science and technology is simply incomprehensible for the majority.

Just because someone hits the screen of a gayphone doesn't mean he is any cleverer as a cave man playing with stones.

There is absolutely no hope to get the majority more or less educated. And popular science renders a huge disservice -- it doesn't clarify anything, but only confuses. I can confirm this as a scientist myself. Science is simply unreachable for 99.9999999% of people. It's for elites.

So the majority will fill the gaps in their poor caveman minds with gods, astrology, aliens, virgin birth and other bullshit.

Christfags btw can't even fathom that their beliefs, although sound so exaltedly, are essentially not different to beliefs in trolls, goblins and Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And as a scientist, I can tell, that nothing can help the situation. It's simply the human nature. Laziness and stupidity.

>>135670622
>I'm too autistic to understand a parable

You can like the book green eggs and ham without actually eating green eggs and ham. Hope that's closer to your level of understanding lol

>>135670439

Except the part where God told Moses to allow refugees cities of their own, like how he himself had been a refugee.

Jesus would have helped every single migrant.

>>135670439
b-b-b-but Jesus once said "the" in the Bible, and that means that we an assume he meant "the white race is evil and must be raped by filth from the 3rd world with IQs too low to operate cash registers!" It's in the BIBLE!

>>135670898
Exodus 12:49
There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

>>135670343
You're free to believe in whatever god you want, but there's no scientific evidence for any of them. There are only philosophical arguments based deductive and inductive reasoning.

And Einstein did not believe in a literal God. In the quotes you're referring to he's using God as a metaphor for the universe.

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>>135671023
Im talking to you are you hallucinating ?

I just find it ironic that the community that throws "redpill" around the most can be so bluepilled when it comes to religion

>>135670401
>Our brains have evolved in way that strongly promotes the ability to reason
Something which is truly astonishing since atheists exist.
You have no logical proof that religion is false and you still claim to be on the side of reason.

>The irrational beliefs of theists
How about the irrational beliefs of atheists?
What proof do you have that Christianity (or any other religion) is wrong?

>The universe was created by a magic sky daddy
You literally can not disprove that, still you claim otherwise aside all reason. You are a true fanatic.

>>135670858
So nothing is real then ?
You're basically a deist
what makes you christian if everything is a parable : your ethics and morals ain't that different from mine really

>>135669500
>Yeah by letting in more peaceful refugees.
Do you know how scientists control mosquito populations? Not by killing them but by introducing more of them with slight modifications.

Russia has a large Muslim population that is quite moderate by Middle East standards and it's because they gave up their extremists ways for a better economical situation.

Most poor refugees assimilate to America and become more like us and less like the shithole they came from.

>>135671023
I literally posted a cosmic bolt killing everyone that destroyed the Temple of Nimrod and still you need more proof?

>>135671017

"Amongst you". Exactly. Jesus would have fed everyone.

>>135670844
>BY THE WAY I'M ALSO VEGAN. AND I VAPE. DID I TELL YOU MY DOG IS A RESCUE? WEED SHOULD BE LEGAL BECAUSE IT'S JUST A PLANT.

t. atheist

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>>135670898
Migrants aren't refugees

>>135658314

>everything
>out of nothing

refuted.

>>135671148
I don't think you understand what scientific evidence means.

>>135670401
You are taking the Bible literally??
Then cherry picking concrete statements to prove they contradict science? The point of religion is not to force people to believe that Moses opened up the Red Sea, but teach people that "desiring other people's property is a sin". Aggressive atheists pick on unimportant things to prove a point.
Consider this:
Christianity: -> prosperity, justice, free society
Atheism: -> degeneracy, communism, loss of freedom, slow death of the society.
Can you chose now?

I know this is not directly related to atheism\theism but i want to share my recent contemplations.

There are two kinds of people, mainly intellectual and mainly intuitive.

The two go together. Both are lame without the other. Intellectualism, discrimination is a very good tool, especially for communication\language, however, if you exalt it over intuition and have none of your own then you are merely parroting other peoples thoughts and bring nothing new to the table, also your mind will be very closed.

Where does intellect come from? It comes from the intuitive, like a wholistic perspective on the world. Intuition is an understanding without discrimination, it is like your scrap yard and intellect is your project you want to build from said scrap yard. Or a gun and bullet.

Intuition is very important and intellect is very limited, like words\labels.

How can you gain intuition for intellectual betterment and a better worldly and philosophical understanding? Simply relax your mind, drop all labels, for a moment forget all your "knowledge" that you have gathered and just observe your senses without putting any ideas on what sensations they produce. Just observe.

'When a child sees a bird for the first time, they see a bird. When they are told that it is a bird, they never see a bird again'

It takes just as much faith to say there is no god as there is to claim that he exists.

>>135671251

They aren't, do you think Jesus would have cared?

>>135670898
intentionally importing economic migrants and giving them free permanent housing and monthly allowance is much different from feeding a stranger and making sure he has a place to rest until he needs to move on

The universe exists. Of everything we know so far no signs point towards something being able to be created from nothing. Whatever caused the universe to exist and have its laws (physics) would by definition be God

>>135670401
Non-belief is a belief. Either way you don't believe in God just by saying it and there will be atheists in heaven if their actions are right.

SCIENCE IS A METHOD TO DISCOVER TECH FOR MAKE PROFIT. IT DOES NOT DIRECTLY ADVISE ON SPIRITUAL MATTERS, IT WASNT MEANT TO!

>>135661011
>this

>>135670416
>who don't even know the slightest bit of biblical literature or actual philosophy,
So far it's just been the Christians who failed to know anything about their beliefs.

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>>135671145
They beat you to it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEVqa8-5xA

>>135671187
Yeah except the people he didn't.

>>135671285
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3231117/At-62-people-dead-crane-collapses-Grand-Mosque-Mecca.html

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>>135670416
Oh, don't mind me. Just posting some images. Continue on with your fedora circlejerk.

>>135658742
Euphoric AF, senpai

>>135671348
The case for no god is definetely stronger than the case for a god. I'd say it's 60% for God and 80% for no God.

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>>135671086
They're christcuck republicans, what do you expect? (Not that dems are any better. Communism kills. Capitalism is the truth.)

Who the fuck cares. Worship your non-God if you like too.

>>135662282
>You cant supernaturally create one either
According to what?
Do you have any clue how the supernatural works?

>>135669253
that higher power is more often these days "science", "AI", or "aliens" or some form or the other along contemporary lines.
its literally the same thinking along the lines of "people need heroes"

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>>135671622
Actually....sorry you got lied to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbRXrb6iFo0

>>135671366
I think he'd be able to see through cynical immigration policies designed to use people from poor countries as slave labour to undercut the wages of the natives and the dangers of taking the best and brightest from less well off countries thus dooming those not as fortunate as to be able to migrate to a doomed state