These things should be illegal

By this same logic should we have a prescription to drink coffee? or alcohol?

>needing a nanny government to tell you what you can and can't do

>>133733417
No they are allowed because of tradition.

>>133733439
>Not wanting to make society better
Faggot

As long as raping foreigners is legal I'm fine with it.

>>133733476
But it's been my tradition to vape a little bowl of reefer every day since I was 14, that means I'm good right?

>>133733303
>stop liking what I don't like
None of these things harm you directly if you just abstain from them.

>>133733303
>Smoking Cannabis or using any other drugs without prescription purposes
Does it include coffee and alcohol?
>Prostitution
why?
>Gambling
yes
>Abortion besides saving the life of the mother and for deformed children
It should also include rape cases and such.
>Homosexuality, Sodomy and other sexual deviance such as sexual subgroups like BDSM or furries
yes
>Dressing immodestly outside of the home
yes
>Pretending to be another gender
yes
>Adultery
yes
>No fault divorce
yes
>Pornography
no

>>133733303
>Let's expand the powers of the government.

How about stop worrying about making things illegal because you don't agree with them. What we need is less government, you fucking idiot.

>>133733609
No, that means your parents were failures and you belong in a prison cell.

>>133733476
>>Not wanting to make society better
Society will be better if the people are good. Shitty people like poles can't further society, with or without legislature.

>>133733758
>What we need is less government
There is not enough government, look at the west, it is full of gays and things like that because government stopped policing it.

>>133733869
You make good people with a strong state to enforce moral laws.

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>>133733303
Nope.

Hey guys, remember when /pol/ (and /new/) was libertarian. Good times.

Please dont come to the uk you backwards piece of shit.

>>133734406
I have been to the UK and it made me feel sick. Such a disgusting country with no belief in morals.

>>133733919
Liberals only behave in the way that they do because the government protects them. If businesses and other private entities were allowed to turn away services, things would be different. Less government = more freedom.

>>133733303
Stupid. Forbidding all this stuff just make it attractive to youth and also some of these good buisness for criminals. Just look up Al Capone and prohibition.

>>133734406
But OP is just fixing culture by making everyone not do the things they don't like doing.

>>133733303
Are you retarded, it doesn't matter if these things are illegal, they will still happen.

>>133734469
Your companies were the ones who pushed for gay marriage legalisation. Fact of the matter is that companies have been thoroughly infiltrated by leftists.

>>133734470
The problem with Al Capone was that the US government requires too much evidence for stuff. If they could have just walked in and shot him it would have been fine.

>>133734581
The point is not to completely wipe it out, that is not how reality works, the point is to show it is wrong and unacceptable, thus making it harder to be accepted in wider society. You will always have a small amount of degenerates in a society, but you need to make sure they do not influence the mainstream using state authority.

>>133733303
Making shit threads should be illegal.
Sage.

>>133734645
I bet you are a homosexual.

>>133733303
>Not enjoying BDSM
I don't understand. Why would you make a retarded thread if you weren't a masochist?

>>133734608
Well, if we're going in that direction, we have to be fully authoritarian. How's that working out in other countries?

>>133734842
Works out better than the West.

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>>133733303
>infringing on someone's rights because you find his behavior "degenerate"
Lol

>>133735001
>He thinks gays should have rights

>>133733439
You may not but lots of people do or they'll fuck up the whole society.

People should be free until they prove their irredeemable degeneracy.

>>133733303
Yes, although abortion would be encouraged/mandatory in the case of children with disabilities.

An aim of mine would be to wipe out all genetic diseases.

>>133734876
I'll bet you anything that those countries in some way rely on Western resources to operate at anything resembling a civilized level.

Government's only purpose is to protect the sovereignty of its citizens and maintain a standing military to defend its borders.

Anything beyond that is limiting the freedom of its citizens to innovate on behalf of humanity.

>>133735179
>overnment's only purpose is to protect the sovereignty of its citizens and maintain a standing military to defend its borders.
Lol no, take your liberalism back to red.dit where it belongs.

>>133733919
>There is not enough government, look at the west, it is full of gays and things like that because government stopped policing it.

Actually, society was policing it just fine. It wasn't until the government claimed a monopoly on discrimination that it became a problem.

>>133735237
You realise that it was illegal to be gay in the west until recently right? You take away punishment and before you kn ow it the country is ran by gays. Liberalism is like a cancer you have to keep your foot on the neck.

>>133735072
Every human should have rights,
>inb4 gays aren't human
Don't care for meme replies

>>133735001
"someone's rights".

That means complete shit. Rights is just a social construct, its a concept written by feeble humans and it can be rewritten/changed at any point in time.

Point is there is a need of strong rules in order to keep society stable and healthy.

>>133735352
>Every human should have rights
No, only good people should have rights. Bad people should be punished.

>>133735170
There's an argument to be made that what is and isn't a "disability" may become a slippery slope, especially with genetic testing.

>>133733919
Good people literally don't need legislature for the pettiest shit like cannabis and 'modest dressing'. Only poles do. Actually, being a filthy pole should be the only thing that should be illegal.

>>133735421
Defined by you, of course.
Tyrant.

>>133733303
Sounds a lot like Sharia law to me.

>>133735463
Your country is being overrun by Turks, Vienna is full of gays and trannies, your people are going extinct. So where are the good people of Austria? Nowhere, because good people are created and molded, they do not magically fall from the sky and in Austria there is no force to do that.

Right on.

Then how do you propose that we walk back 60 years of liberal policy?

>>133735151
All we need is to abolish social welfare services and the rule forcing hospitals to treat people who can't pay. Basically any measure that spreads costs beyond the individual needs to be abolished.

Once that's done, you can legalize everything and let the underclass live as degenerately as they want without it effecting society. Let them shoot up cheap legal heroin until they die and that's the end of it. Degeneracy is a self-correcting problem if the social safety net isn't there to save them from themselves.

>>133735493
Sometimes tyranny is needed to restore sanity. This is one of those eras.

>>133735689
You have to be ruthless and have no respect for the constitutional arrangements, just roll it back, amass power in the hands of the leadership and wage war on liberal institutions while strengthening the conservative institutions. Don't play by their rules, make new rules, change laws, rig the system whatever it takes to hold onto power so you can change society.

>>133735421
I'll bet you didn't have a father. Always looking for a strong daddy figure to give you the punishment you crave.

>>133733754
>Pornography
>no
understandable.. pornography is main source of income of czech girls

>>133736082
My parents have together since they were 14 and are still together.

>American thinks because his society is broken beyond repair everyone's is.

>>133735352
No. They are human. They're just mentally ill fucked up humans who should not be encouraged. Degeneracy is not a right.

>>133735857
This doesn't make any sense. The whole point of erasing degeneracy is that it harms both the individual&society in the long run. Letting people "die off" in order to erase degeneracy doesn't make any sense.

The point of this is to help people and guide them.

>>133735872
Sounds a bit like what they've done to conservative systems.

>>133733748
>harm you directly
And yet they still do harm us
Jewish libertarianism everyone

>>133736534
>Uses Christian flag but has about two Christian opinions
Hilarious

>>133733303
>>133736613
>Smoking Cannabis or using any other drugs without prescription purposes
Making weed illegal while tabaco is legal is retarded.
>Prostitution
Congratulations, you filled mafia pockets. Whores were here when we were jumping on trees and they will be until the Sun won't burn out. You can either contol them or let someone else do it.
>Gambling
Same thing really. Heavily control this shit.
>Abortion besides saving the life of the mother and for deformed children
Add rape and it's golden.
>Homosexuality, Sodomy and other sexual deviance such as sexual subgroups like BDSM or furries
Again, all that you menage to do is put them into hidding. Next thing you know you elect a closet fag as your president.
>Dressing immodestly outside of the home
Define "modestly"
>Pretending to be another gender
Sounds resonable. But we are talking about actual crossdressing, not doing shit for laughs? Becouse if you try take away Smoleń as ms Pelagia you can suck my dick.
>Adultery
How do you plan to enforce this?
>No fault divorce
Define "fault".
>Pornography
Heavily control sure. But only thing that ban would achive is create a bunch of horny asholes. Just let them fucking jerk off in peace.
>>133736613
Phoneposting. Was aiming for the pirate.

>>133733476
>because of tradition
https://www.norwegianamerican.com/heritage/viking-ship-cannabis-conundrum/
Why do you do deny tradition, white man?

>>133736613
>Cherry-picking
>ad hominem
wew

>>133736779
Pole's tradition is to get drunk at every possible occasion. Being to drunk to care is our pride, our culture and our religion.

>>133736779
Scandinavians will be extinct soon, so this is just another good reason to be against it. Shows how weak it makes you mentally.

>>133736744
>How do you plan to enforce this?
Same way it used to be enforced.

>>133733303
I regularly enjoy all of those minus the fag stuff

>>133736341
Nearly everything you do harms or disadvantages others indirectly in some way.

>>133736218
Spoken like a true humanitarian faggot
>we need to be the voice of the voiceless, I want to help people I've never met! How do we do this? More laws and regulations!
Fucking commies

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>>133733919
>because government stopped policing it
No, it's because society stopped giving a shit, if anything, the government is late to the game. Most enforcement of social values is lateral (from peer groups), not from the top down(the state). Relying on the state to enforce social mores we can't even agree on ourselves is what fucked us.

>>133736886
Sounds like Poland and Dixie share some similar traditions.

>>133736940
>Same way it used to be enforced.
On hearsay? Great, enjoy your balls being cut because your wife decided that she doesn't love you anymore.

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>>133737168
Clearly you have no idea what "humanitarians" push these days if you call me "faggot humanitarian".

Point is, strong morals and rules are needed to ensure a proper, strong society.

>>133737216
No, the state stopped enforcing it then the society became split on it. State enforcement leads to consensus.

>>133733303
Unironically yes

>>133737456
Is this why Poland is now atheist?

>>133737456
Then how did society become split on it?

>>133733303
Legalize everything, let nature remove idiots who od, abort, transgender and fag themselves out of the race.

>>133737595
Because leftist infiltrators in government pushed for legalisation of these things against the will of the people.

>>133737583
Poland is becoming less religious, precisely because of the lack of enforcement of values.

>>133737678
>leftist infiltrators in government
And what is going to stop them from infiltrating your government?
>against the will of the people
No, they infiltrate the people first.

Read this anon's post >>133735857
Trying to "fix" leeches and degenerates will only bring us down.

>>133733303
bretty gud

>>133738137
>And what is going to stop them from infiltrating your government?
Proactive purging of leftists. Something the right never did in the West because it was trying to civilised with uncivilised people. You should have listened to McCarthy.

>>133737678
>Poland is becoming less religious, precisely because of the lack of enforcement of values.
Bitch, back in the day state forced atheism like if it was going out of style. But i know that you are way to young to remember it. Lets talk when your balls drop.

The government.

>>133738235
>Bitch, back in the day state forced atheism like if it was going out of style.
You're a retard. Communists created a catholic backlash because people used the church as a means for hope. Now that secularism rules Poland Catholicism is declining, attendance is down, baptisms are down, membership is down etc. You would know this if you bothered to leave your house. Why is it down? Because secularism allows liberals to undermine the religious values of the nation and spread atheism etc.

>>133733869
Waaaaa! You can't do it because I don't like it. Op is a faggot.

>>133738380
>State enforcement leads to consensus.
Let's haul people to church under threat of repercussion. That will surely lead to spiritual revival!

>>133735406
If I passed a law that said people on welfare and criminals should be gassed, I'm sure society would be better off, but the ends don't justify the means. The advantaged should help the disadvantaged and try to bring them to their level so they can better the society as a whole. You could have been born black, gay whatever, you wouldn't want others to kill you, would you?
>>133736168
>mentally ill
Psychiatrists disagree
>>133735421
Punishing someone for some bad thing they did doesn't take away his rights since he gave them away when he broke the social contract, sorry senpai

>>133738731
No, but you can stamp down on atheism, shut down things critical of the church and stuff like that.

>>133738229
There will be a backlash and then they will infiltrate the people. You would end up with a 1984 totalitarian police state trying to stop them and they would still find a way to infiltrate it. Why are you so insistent on trying to save degenerates and parasites from themselves?

>>133738757
>You could have been born black, gay whatever, you wouldn't want others to kill you, would you?
I couldn't because my parents are not niggers or degenerates.

>>133738855
I want to save society from them because they reach a critical mass and then society is gone.

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ITT: authoritarian faggots who have ZERO fucking clue what freedom, nor independence means.

Not really a big deal since the first poster is a fucking pole, and most likely a steinbergowitz, but to all you Americans who think big daddy government should be telling people how to live their lives are NOTHING LESS than a fucking traitor who deserves a traitors death.

>>133738865
Your existence is a dice roll, that doesn't make sense

>>133738799
Yeah, that won't lead to backlash. Ans sure, let's let church be even more complicent and removed from the faithful that it already is. That sure won't be a suicide. It's not like commies were pushing their shit at gunpoint for over 40 years and that didn't do dick!

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>>133738865
>my parents are not niggers or degenerates
So how did they end up with you?

>>133738997
>and most likely a steinbergowitz
Your libertarianism is a Jewish invention though. You worship a Jewish ideology when you scream for freedoms.

>>133739025
No it isn't, that is not how biology works. You could have only come from your parents. Your consciousness could only ever have been from your parents, making many things set in stone. Your liberal ideas make o sense once you apply reality to it.

>>133739159
I'm neither so that makes no sense.

>>133739038
It won't lead to a backlash because the church is right, unlike the communists.

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>>133739199
>church is right
Don't you have muslim feet to kiss?
And don't give a me this shit how he's not "real church". As a catholic you need to listen to a pope or you are a filthy heretic and deserve a pyre.

>>133738757
>The advantaged should help the disadvantaged

I agree. Criminals and people on welfare generally arent the "disadvantaged" though. They are thugs leeching off people's good will. And for that they should be slaughtered.

>but the ends don't justify the means.

Why not?

>You could have been born black, gay whatever, you wouldn't want others to kill you, would you?

Blacks belong in africa, where they are free to live like any other human. Whites belong in Europe. Being a homosexual in itself isint a problem - acting and encouraging people to act on your impulses is.

Besides, latest leftist pseudoscience confirms that "sexuality is fluid", meaning you can be straight at one point in your life and gay in another and it depends on the enviroment. It basically confirms what we've been saying for a very long time, that homosexuality is itself not natural, but degenerate lifestyle/upbringing leads to it. Only that leftists began to see sodomy as normal and they are too fucked in the head to realize what they have discovered.

>>133739383
You don't understand how the church works, precisely because you are a product of secular cancer. Pope does not have absolute authority, only when he speaks ex-cathedra, which he has not done once while he is Pope. So he can be safely ignored.

>>133739411
>latest leftist pseudoscience confirms that "sexuality is fluid
>pseudoscience
>confirms
Do you even understand words you use or you just like to sling shit around?

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>>133733303
>when the subhuman delusions are well cemented in your mind

>>133739502
So if he does annuance that you should offer your wife (why am i kidding your balls didn't even drop yet) to abdul you will happily comply?

>>133739670
No because that is not possible, it would automatically make him not the Pope because it would be an act of heresy against church teachings. You should have listened in Sunday School.

>>133739578
Well, it's a well working business. Lots of good government employees would lose their jobs if the war was handled differently. We don't want it, don't we?

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>>133739199
>Your libertarianism is a Jewish invention though. You worship a Jewish ideology when you scream for freedoms.

There is a world of difference between a libertarian and a Constitutionalist. I do NOT believe my rights stem from a government, I believe my rights were given to me by God, thus eliminating government altogether.

Like I said you are nothing more than an authoritarian euro kike. You have no clue what my country is based and founded on, and it is not some kike ideals you fucking moron.

People like you make me hate hitler for the faggot that he was, for if hitler wasn't such a faggot and horrible military leader, I wouldn't have to be arsed by you government grabbing kikes.

>>133735151
>People should be free until
>until

You don't belong in this country.

>>133739767
Leviticus 19:33 bitch. Let them in and threat them well! And remember Mit brennender Sorge! Who exalts his race is an enemy of God!

>>133739797
>if the war was handled differently
So you're implying that the entire budget is just spent on an illusion?

Kinda like the 'real communism has never been tried' argument?

Thought you prohibitionist cucks were better at mental gymnastics

>>133739555
It's true though. All the gender ideology they are feeding us stems from it.

It's pseudoscience because they arrive at diabolical/retarded conclusions because of heavy bias. But it confirms the thesis that homosexuality(which is a bullshit term in itself..) in itself is not really natural and degenerate upbringing/lifestyle can lead to it.

Heterosexuality is the default human state.

>>133739886
But the US constitution is exactly a Jewish invention, it is a product of the enlightenment which was a Jewish intellectual movement across Europe. Constitutionalism is Jewish because it is a way for them to protect themselves behind rules, such as your first amendment giving the right to freedom of religion.

>>133740099
And you are also confirmed as not understanding how to read the Bible. Very sad, your parents did a very poor job raising you.

>>133740138
If it's shit science it can't prove shit. You can't take any conclusion from it aside that it was poorly handled.

>>133740115
That was irony, paco.

>>133740148
>right to freedom of religion
Like poles had back in a day? Yeah, that was horrible. Being kingdom without pyres is a stain on our reputation that we never shall wash away. We should hang our heads in shame and let in those pure-spirited muslims in. I'm sure they will convert! Pope just needs to suck their toes hard enough.

>>133740267
Reads more like sarcasm than irony

>>133739159
>>133739502
>pope does not have absolute authority
Right, He does not have the ear of the people. It's not like people listen to him. The Dalai llama dosen't influence Buddhist decision making either...

>>133740502
Shit i meant sarcasm. People confuse them so often i tend to get confused as well.

>>133735352
Correct

>>133740439
>Like poles had back in a day? Yeah, that was horrible.
It was, you of course remember that is why Poland ended up with so many Jews. if we had no freedom of religion there would have been no Jews.

>I'm sure they will convert!
Catholic church kicked the Muslims out of places like Spain so you make no sense.

>>133740601
Nobody listens to him, the local bishops hold more authority.

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>>133740267
>children of LGBT parents are more likely to be LGBT themselves
>this confirms that heterosexuality is socially constructed and that the patriarchy needs to be smashed for ultimate sociological liberation

It's shit science because the conclusions are retarded because of the massive leftist brainwashing. The tests themselves just confirm that degenerate lifestyle/upbringing leads kids into degeneracy.

It's kind of how leftists pushed "They are born gay!" at first in order to begin the subversion of society, and now that thats done they arrived at the phase at "nobody is born heterosexual!" in order to furthen their jewish goals.

>>133733476
>We should ban things, that'll stop people from doing them

>>133740751
>an-cap
Opinion discarded.

>>133740601
Well, vicar of Christ and the most important man in catholicism can be ignored if he says something you don't like. After all god only wants shit you want too.

>posting on 4chan
>not going on the internet within designated government hours
>not having a telescreen installed on your wall

>>133733303
there is a reason u dont have a government position

>>133735406
Government is a social construct, you dumb faggot. It's no wonder you enlightened Europeans are always teetering on the brink of 1984 with bootlickers like yourself voting. Neck yourself.

>>133735421
This is how you think if you're country was a commie shithole before and now it's a corrupt third world 'democracy' with no proper constitutional principles

>>133733303
Correct
Anyone who actually disagrees with this is an ancap who secretly approves of all these.

>I don't want any of these since they harm society but I'm not gonna stop you since that would be mean.

>>133740812
You just prove me right with your retardation, if the church held more power in society people like you could not repeat such stupid opinions because you would either be educated in the matter or forced to hold your tongue.

>>133740908
t. country which run by Jeiwsh corporations which just buy influence with politicians

>>133740674
Ah ok. That must be why the chinese government exiled the Dali lama and appointed their own because he dosent have any sway.

>>133741001
Dalai Llama is not the Pope.

>>133740674
>It was, you of course remember that is why Poland ended up with so many Jews. if we had no freedom of religion there would have been no Jews.
Like in germany? Or france? What the fuck are you even talking about. Christians fucking couldn't get enough of jews. They were the only ones who were allowed to make buissnes decisions.

>>133740809
>pole refuses to acknowlege that people do illegal shit

>>133741067
>>pole refuses to acknowlege that people do illegal shit
Why even ban murder if people do it lmao

>>133741067
>Like in germany? Or france?
They let them in you retard because of muh rights of man, they were refugees fleeing the persecution of the Russians.

>>133741026
So only pope has no influence then?

>>133741181
This Pope holds little influence over Poles.

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>>133740148
you're a waste of time and an ignorant kike.

>>133740995
>if the church held more power in society people like you could not repeat such stupid opinions because you would either be educated in the matter or forced to hold your tongue
Well, if you love theocracy so much why won't you go to the middle east? You would fit right in. They also like a little bit of sodomy when no one watches.

>>133741026
Well he doesn't seem to be that big of a faggot.

>>133741212
If you are catholic the pope is your god mouthpiece. If he sucks muslim toes so should you.

>>133741212
But only when he is not the POLISH POPE WHO SMASHED COMMUNSIM WITH HIS BARE HANDS?

>>133741304
>Well, if you love theocracy so much why won't you go to the middle east?
Middle East is Muslim not Catholic.

>>133741377
Another retard who does not understand the church. Fuck off.

>>133741391
That is why I said THIS Pope.

>>133741398
Why is it? Didn't Deus Vulted it to be catholic? God cannot be denied!

>>13374147
>Why is it?
Why is it Muslim?

>>133741466
>anon has the power to decide which pope should be listened to
Are you... are you God? May Your Holliness forgive me, i had sinned by not listening to You!

>>133741568
Pope only has to be listened to when he speaks ex-cathedra. You should have gone to Sunday school uneducated retard.

>>133741466
Another pol that makes up his own church rules. Not muh real pope! Pope commands catholics. No exceptions. Your still a christ cuck even if you don't identify with the appointed god head.

>>133733303
And you should kill yourself for being a useless moral busybody. I wish only a painful death for retards like you. Seriously. I hope you get gut shot and die in a ditch.

>>133741768
see
>>133741652

You should have gone to Sunday School, you obviously know nothing about the church or how it is run. So why do you insist on speaking about it? It only makes you look stupid.

>>133740890
>Government is a social construct

Yes, true, but it's a social construct that is beneficial to humanity. It also draws heavily from human biology&nature and how hierarchies work in general. The concept of "rights" is also beneficial to society and has existed since the dawn of civilization. The dogmatic belief that the current model of "human rights" is the only thing that works and changing it at all will result in 1984 is just dogmatic, religious fundamentalist tier retarded.

>>133741778
So you agree with everything there should be encouraged then.

If your not anti-murder your pro murder
if your not anti- homosexuality or divorce your pro divorce and homosexuality

>>133741652
He is still the bishop of Rome. Cardinals from all of christendom had chosen him to lead the church. But you, and fucking pole on an anonymus nicaraguan greenwood sculpturing forum know better than both him and people who elected him? Shit, that takes some balls.

>>133733919
Wait... are you actually ISIS

>>133742028
No, me who actually knows the rules of the church and what the actual authority of the Pope is because I am actually educated on the matter, unlike you.

>>133742117
So you are a bigger authority on the church than the pope himself?

>>133739199
I don't think you get what I'm saying. You having white parents and living in Poland is just randomness you could have been born to brown parents, black parents, whatever.
>>133739411
Poverty is one of the major factors of criminality and of being on welfare, so yes they are disadvantaged. I guess you could argue for "the ends justifying the means" part but in my opinion, immoral acts are never justified.
>blacks belong in africa
>whites belong in europe
Each race has evolved traits which help them to survive easier on each continent, is that what you're saying with "belong"? Then I agree. Homosexuality isn't considered a mental illness by the medical community and even if I don't like faggots, I have to accept they are a part of society and move on

>>133733303
Add
sex outside of a marriage between one man and woman
all divorce
tobacco and alcohol consumption
Having kids without a certain income

>>133742203
Well the Pope would actually agree with me if you asked him on what his authority is.

>>133742209
>You having white parents and living in Poland is just randomness you could have been born to brown parents, black parents, whatever.
No I couldn't, I could only have come from my parents, my genetics, my consciousness would not exist otherwise.

>>133742282
>alcohol consumption
Just wait for his wrath.

>>133742331
>my genetics, my consciousness would not exist otherwise
Are you saying that your soul couldn't be put into any diferent body? You are stomping on a thin ice, church-boy.

>>133742471
That is not how souls work.

>>133736218
Letting degenerates "die off" without a social safety net would absolutely solve the problem. Heroin addicts are a perfect example. Take away methadone clinics, take away free housing, clean needle programs, etc. A child seeing the consequences first hand when the addicts are dropping like a plague around them will internalize it far into adulthood, refrain from the degeneracy and teach their children to do the same. Stupid ass life CHOICES have consequences and taking personal responsibility off their shoulders and treating idiots like victims only shows the average person they can get away with stupid decisions as well because someone will always be there to clean up their mess.

>>133735872
Because what could go wrong...

>>133742331
>Well the Pope would actually agree with me if you asked him on what his authority is.
He would also laid you down exacly why you should lick muslim feet in terms you couldn't disprove on theological grounds. He's a pope you faggot. You shill for autority then declare that autority bad when it doesn't to exacly what you want. You shill for church but then shit pm it when it doesn't follow your will. You don't want strong goverment, you want to BE strong goverment.

>>133733303
Maybe prostitution and abortion because those are just disgusting, but other than that not really. Just be moral yourself and do your best to teach your kids to do the same. Let others make their mistakes and let them learn from their mistakes. Most people come to realize that the consequences of their degenerate behavior far outweigh its benefits.

>>133742714
No, you just do not understand how the church works because you are an atheist faggot who skipped Sunday School.

>>133742715
>abortion because those are just disgusting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYWZlGsnIDM
Congrats! Now you will care for it for next 20-30 years.

>>133742331
I think you're arguing semantics here, I'm not saying you could have been born from different parents and be the exact same person you are today, I'm saying statistically speaking the chance of someone being born in a poor household are much higher than someone being born in a middle class or rich household, therefore you should empathize with him and understand how lucky you got

>>133742791
So going to sunday school as a kid put you higher than a pope? By that logic i'm more educated on the subject than you are, choir boy.

>>133742555
No then you get a underclass forming like in Mexico and then communist propaganda will sink though real easy to these people and then they rise up and gut you. Then more idiots scream we need less moral restrictions.

Freedom implys your average persons can use it for the betterment of society and their community. (They can't)

>>133743062
No, going to Sunday school meant I learned actual facts about how the church is run. It makes me a better authority on it than you because you know nothing at all besides memes.

>>133743023
But that is purely a hypothetical and has absolutely nothing to do with reality. It is only useful as a thought experiment, it is not useful when talking about real people.

>>133742555
Yes i agree with you. However there are genuinely disadvantaged people who have done nothing wrong and are not degenerates and they need to be protected&helped. Heroin addicts need not to be helped. The downtrodden need to be smited down.

>>133742209
I would say that genetics plays a role in criminality. Whites dont commit crime nearly as much as blacks even when they are impoverished.

>Each race has evolved traits which help them to survive easier on each continent

It's not just that. Each nation and people deserve to live in their own land&run their society the way they like it. That's really the core concept of nationalism.

Regarding homosexuality, it used to be classified as a mental ilness, and it was declasiffied as one, but mostly due to political pressure by leftists. No science actually changed. Leftists just attacked until they got what they wanted. "Mental ilness" in itself is quite a subjective term and there isin't really a good definition of a mental ilness. Mental ilness or not, homosexuality is wrong because it harms the individual and society at large. It should not be accepted.

>>133733303
While it would be good for people to not use these things, a fascist government is not the answer.

>>133743114
And church is run by someone who is not you. This is how authority works faggot. That strong goverment you want so much? Yeah. If it declares you are an undesirable becouse you aren't let's say an ortodox but a papist then you just can't take your toys out of the sandbox. I don't know if your daddy gave you too little or too much attention but you aren't nor you ever will be some kind of supreme ruller of the universe. So you must just get used to people not wanting same shit you do.

>>133743447
This is a thread of what should be, not what is or will be. You seem to not understand that.

>>133743516
And you should be god then? Fuck i wold like to be god too. But pretty sure that /tg/ is that way.
>>>/tg/

>>133743628
Are you being intentionally stupid?

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>>133743071
Explain how an "underclass" forms when the degenerates are dying like clockwork? Focusing specifically on drug addicts or whatever it is people already have little/no sympathy for them as can be deduced by the constant drop in funding for things like rehabs and needle programs. Most of these are based solely on charity and they have to fight tooth and nail for every dollar they get. Let them die. It's not inhumane in any way. Stupid choices again have stupid consequences and freedoms implies that I, or anyone else, needs to be forced to shoulder the burden of idiots who willingly destroy their own lives. I've had just as much temptation to do stupid degenerate shit but I used my fucking brain and didn't ask anyone else to pull me out of a hole I dug myself into in the first place. It should be the same for every other citizen. The human condition without the extra burden of other idiots is difficult and challenging enough. You fuck yourself up? Fix it yourself. Really simple.

>>133743663
Are you? Your medicine to all worlds bills seems to be giving ultimate power to an already corrupt institution that you don't even agree with. That's beyond stupid.

>>133742933
I would much rather care for my deformed child for 20-30 years in search of help for its condition than to surrender as a father and murder it.

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>>133733303
Get on my level

>>133733476
Cannabis being smoked is a tradition that dates back at least thousands of years if not as far back as alcohol, the human body has evolved to recieve cannabis. Cant get more traditional than that dummy :)

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>>133733303
yes 100% thank you pole-bro.

>>133744027
>help for its condition
She was born practicly without brain. She has less cognitive abilities than a fly and she never will develop them. She is somewhere in early teens already. She can just twitch and shit herself. If she was able to understant pain she would be in agony you can hardly even imagine. Would you want to spend decades living like that? Is this a fate you would wish even upon worst of your enemies?

>>133744087
His parents didn't smoke weed but they did smoke tabaco and drank booze. That is generaly what most people see as "traditional".

Feel free to try all that in Poland, I'm sure you'll be saintly supermen and god will rain diamonds down on you in like 5 years tops

>>133743739
>Explain how an "underclass" forms when the degenerates are dying like clockwork?
Drugs don't kill you that fast, explain why millions of Brazilians or Africans still manage to survive in slums and breed. Your idea would work if taking a shot insta kills you.

Your a Jew if you don't what wants best for your community or your neighbor you can join the Jewish Ancaps and average American in not caring for a moral society. Enjoy your kowloon cities

>>133744710
>explain why millions of Brazilians or Africans still manage to survive in slums and breed
"Humanitarian" aid? Without it africans would by now eat themselves.

>>133744348
I don't mean to come across as rude and I respect your opinion, but she was most certainly born with a brain. If she wasn't, she wouldn't even be alive. The issues can be fixed with surgeries, nootropics, cognitive training, and neuroplasticity enhancement. Yes it's a little bit of money, but if that was my child it would be well worth it.

>>133733303
Add race-mixing and jews and you're good

>>133744881
Not all of them, only a handful of this humanitarian aid actually reaches them and even it's only in the camps, most Africans and Haitians for that matter can survive on mud pies and rats.

Letting drug addicts go free and kill themselves over multiple laws is a good way to fuck your society and destroy any chance the poor had at escaping. You've got two choices, do what we have now which is shit but after two revivals all aid is cut and drugs are still policed or you go the Philippians and allow civilian militias to go and shoot drug dealers and users unless they turn themselves in

>>133744710
I absolutely support what's best for my community. I contribute generously to the charities of my choice every year on top of paying taxes. What I don't support is paying for idiots who CHOOSE to do what they do. I support my community in the most efficient and positive way as possible: by first taking care of my immediate family, then my non-immediate family, then members of my community who possess the same values/morals as myself ie churches/some shelters/kitchens. This funneling of taxpayer dollars up to the federal government needs to stop because they do nothing but waste it by spending half a billion on a program that ultimately only allots 10% or less of that to the people who "need help." If someone gives a shit about their community then go and fix YOUR immediate community first. House a homeless heroin addict yourself. Buy them clothes. Do whatever the fuck you want but of course you wouldn't do that because the most vocal people complaining about the "poor and downtrodden" don't actually put their money where their mouth is. Most of the time they're talking about using someone else's money to help those people and it blows my mind that you or anyone else would feel entitled to what I've earned/built over a lifetime of correct choices/decisions.

In short, go fuck yourself you green-toothed limey.

>>133745384
*multiple years

>>133733303
Yes i agree pol. Good thread.
Not with everything but most things you've mentioned i agree with.

>>133745145
Extreme microcephaly. You know the parts of the brain that make you see, hear and think? Yup, they aren't there. She basicly just has a little bit of the "reptile" brain that let's her breathe (bearly) and twitch. Nothing aside of that. Either her or her sister (yes parents decided that they want another child after doctors told them they have a 1 in 4 shoot at getting another poop goblin) can't even swallow and needs a tube in her stomach to pump food into. And no, you actualy can live while technicaly not having brain. Nickolas Coke was born with full encephaly, nothing but a brain steam. But given that he could kind of breathe from time to time he was put under respirator and lived for 3 years. I'm seriously not hating on retards. I know some and they can be just the most affectionate motherfuckers out there. But this is not life. She is in hell and luckilly can't even realise it.

>>133745459
You care for your community but not your nation. Your nation is your community dumb fuck. If you let a poor family take drugs then that spreads to their kids the town is ruined and slums form up and you now have Mexico.

All illegal drug users should be linned up and shot. Your average person or community cannot handle freedom. over 50% of all American voters voted for Hillery that's proof they're not smart enough. Your society devolves in to Brazil with few good spots and the rest degenerative slum hellholes

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You realize the uptick in degeneracy is almost entirely due to the internet, right?


Try to disagree without sounding like a degenerate. Protip. You cannot.

>>133745809
Dumb theory

Did you know the decrease in horse population is tied to society degenerating. Max horse population was in ww1. After that society began to die

Coincidence I think not

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>>133733303

Found the 14 year old LARPing as a dictator.

>>133745786
You disagree with me in one post then agree with me in another. I hope you're having fun with all that flip-flopping you incredible hypocrite.

>>133733303
>using drugs
this only helps the black market and illegal drug trade, and also reduces the chance of drug addicts recovering to almost zero due to fear of being persecuted
>prostitution
I understand the moral viewpoint on this one but again, legalizing prostitution would be more beneficial to society as it would help to eliminate underground mobs, forced prostitution and human trafficking
>gambling
i agree
>abortion
i disagree but seeing you're polish, i understand
>homosexuality
this one is stupid. you don't get to choose your sexuality. what 2 consenting people do privately has zero effect on society. even with
>dressing immodestly
no idea what the fuck is that supposed to entail. i am not in favor of full nudity being legal but i see absolutely nothing wrong with people being out in swimsuits in the summer.
>pretending to be another gender
treatment should be offered instead.
>adultery
morally wrong but that is up to individual people to decide. no idea why it should be made illegal, it wouldn't help shit anyway
>no fault divorce
why?
>pornography
why?

>>133746223
>I disagree with atleast 50% of everything on that list, or can atleast say it's degenerative and bad for a society on a large scale

But fuck doing anything about it LMAO. This is you

>>133742471
Souls don't exist. Sentience arises with a neural network capable of the principles of cognition.

>>133745809
Uptick as in numbers or knowlege about them? Becouse fags were always something around 1% or so of population. They were just in hidding.
And trannies, furries, coprophiliacs and pedos? You just didn't hear about them if you weren't either into their grup or didn't care enough about researching shit like that. Fucking hippies lived in free love communes with their kids back in the '60 and there were weird cults like that doing even crazier shit basicly from the beggining of time. There were secluded sex cults and private orgies during even most conservative times. 1950 america? XIX century? Pick your poison. Not to mention that the (((elites))) were doing shit that even most modern degenerates would find repulsive just becouse they could and there was no way for plebs like us to know.

>>133746485
I know, burger. But the other pole is catholic. He believes in them.

>>133744484
Even the definition of "traditional" is traditional. It might be because we are a young nation, but, I kid you not, most Americans would consider the right to bear arms as traditional as civil rights, despite time disparities.

>>133745721
I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate your sympathy to these people. At that point I would try giving them some GH. If the issue is that their head and brain aren't growing enough to develop functions such as swallowing, then growth hormones might have a chance in helping them.

>>133746664
Well, that's nothing new. Most people for example define "pink for girls, blue for boys", "little boys wearing trousers" or "diamond ring for engagment" as traditional even if their great grandparents in their age would prabobly be baffled by the idea.

>Do you agree /pol/?

yes.

>>133746294
No I don't

You let the idiots use the drug cause lol poor white people with drug using parents and lower class income can totally use their freedom well to ensure a safe,happy and non degenerate way of life, just like Mexican drug addicts.
And muh taxes, fuck other people only my town is worth caring for, fuck the next town or state.

I say fuck your drugs your getting a shock if you use them and a rope if you sell them. People are to stupid to manage themselves.

How many Germans approve of non white immigration into their country which is killing them. These people are not smart enough to see and they'll keep voting left because that's what the media tells them. They have to be managed, letting them run free will destroy your nation or turn it into Brazil tier

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You can wish certain things were illegal all day. Doesn't matter when the ones running the mainframe desire otherwise.

>>133733303
Is poker gambling?

>>133746791
>GH
Too late. It's not that those part of the brain are too small. They just don't really exist. It's a rare genetic thing. And growth hormone would just make their bodies grow making them even harder to take care of.
Some microcephalics can live relatively normal lives, hell one even got phd. But those two are just particularly nasty cases that on a mental level are stuck below even bugs.
Worst is that they actualy have a third kid that they completly ignore and treat like shit. Everyone is just miserable in the situation. A mercifull death and dignified burial would be better than this.

>>133747285
If you play for money/goods? Magic the Gathering can be gambling if you play for cash.

>>133733303
prescription drug deaths is one of the greatest threats

shill on

>>133733485
This

>>133733609
You are grandfathered in. As are all true Americans. Those that came legally and of their own free will, and their descendants. All others have not earned this privilege and need to be terminated.

>>133733303
No
No, that's stupid
No
No, because it does nothing to curtail the practice while causing more deaths and miscarriages
Are you fucking kidding me
No
No
No
No
No

fuck off regressive

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>>133747006
>and muh taxes fuck other people only my town is worth caring for, fuck the next town or state

Explain how this wouldn't work if everyone contributed equally to their own communities? The fact is a lot of people just don't give a fuck to fix their own communities and want to wait for someone else's money to come in and fix it for them. That ideology is just as degenerate as drug addicts. If you're not out there actively volunteering every week, giving a good amount of your money (not $1 or $2 dollars so you can jackoff to feeling morally superior) to the homeless or housing a drug addict you can fuck right off.

You keep bringing up "white people" and Brazil and trying to put words in my mouth but at the end of the day you and I both know you're just a fucking hypocrite. No one has any duty to shoulder the mistakes of someone else and fit the bill to fix their situation that's kind of the point of having freedom in the first place you fucking mong. Sure, go do what you want, you're free to do so but when you do something dumb as fuck that you already know is dumb as fuck I'm just as free to tell you to fuck off and stop trying to reach into my pocket to solve your self-made problems. It's a simple concept.

>>133747403
Im for limits so people dont throw away their life savings, but what people do with their disposable incomes is their business, especially if its just friends playing and not a casino

>>133733303
>Drug use without prescriptions
Prescription drugs are some of the strongest, most addictive, and degenerative out there and doctors prescribe opiates and amphetamines to kids regularly. Also the drug war is non functional and wastes about as much money as a real war but produces net neutral or net negative results.
>Prostitution
No, if adult individuals exchange a good for a service the only mandate a government should have is to enforce whatever contract those two individuals made so that one does not cheat or steal from the other.
>Gambling
Same as above
>Abortion
I'm honestly still figuring this one out, but the answer right now would be yes. On one hand a mother's body is her private property, on the other hand it is in my opinion immoral to kill an individual who is not doing you harm. In cases of severe deformity or life threatening conditions, yes it should be a legal option.
>Government mandated behavior
Indication that the behavioral and moral fabric of your community was shit to begin with if you need the government to curb that kind of behavior.
>Government mandated dress code
Get fucking bent.
>Being a tranny
It's a mental illness, it should be treated as such. There were some drugs developed a while back that curbed the problems and didn't involve physical mutilation.
>Adultery
If a contract of marriage was made up and specifically stipulated that adultery would be a breach of said contract, yes. If not then the government has no right or mandate to take any action.
>Divorce
The only necessary punishment should be that each party gets whatever they actually earned and paid for, this will punish or dissuade most cases of malicious divorce.
>Pornography
Enjoy the increase in rape when mentally ill fetishists can no longer get their fix online and take to the streets.

>>133733303
>Dressing immodestly outside the home
Absolutely Haram

>>133748045
Not only have some of these authoritarian policies failed in my country (war on drugs and abortion restriction are prime examples) and left us with persistent drug fueled black markets, but they are also prone by their very nature to abuse and infiltration. Once you give your government the power to rule you, you are a subject and when the new administration, dictator, or movement achieves power they will simply hijack your authoritarian mechanism for whatever they want, and you're now fucked because you willingly gave them the power to do so.

I'd rather have to deal with these problems laterally at the family, community, and state level than give the government the power to stamp on the throat of people I don't like and just hope that they never decide to also stamp on mine.

My country was the least degenerate when it had the smallest government, and the government actively uses power that retards gave to it to subsidize degenerate behavior that weakens the people and empowers the government.

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>>133745721
That's so sad. If only we could make artificial brain parts and increase the skull size without increasing the brain size. My prayers go out to those 3 kids.

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>>133747935
>Explain how this wouldn't work if everyone contributed equally to their own communities?
Because communities which are already bad will stay bad and actually become worse, or slowly drug addiction would take hold of a society and drag it down.
>The fact is a lot of people just don't give a fuck to fix their own communities and want to wait for someone else's money to come in and fix it for them.
No they do care and they do want their own money to go to it hence why taxes and police forces etc. The argument is how much taxes. They also wouldn't do it willingly if it was optional, they would one let one half of the country die out if it meant keeping an extra thousand dollers.

>You keep bringing up "white people" and Brazil and trying to put words in my mouth but at the end of the day you and I both know you're just a fucking hypocrite. No one has any duty to shoulder the mistakes of someone else and fit the bill to fix their situation that's kind of the point of having freedom in the first place you fucking mong.
i care for my nation if I lived in America i would want tax dollars going to cleaning Detroit up and dumping the niggers elsewhere. Like back in Africa. People cannot manage "freedom" hence why Sweden is fucking cucked because people are stupid. Freedom and ancap would work great if people were smart.
> Sure, go do what you want, you're free to do so but when you do something dumb as fuck that you already know is dumb as fuck I'm just as free to tell you to fuck off and stop trying to reach into my pocket to solve your self-made problems.
Sure just don't complain when your living in a small white reserve being surrounded by Mexican drug addicts or continueing the path of White flight. Pic related how a "free" society would end up like.

Pic related is how your country would end up

>>133733754
No, if abortion is murder then aborting a rape baby is murder you don't get to pick and chose on this

>>133733303
>list of things that should be illegal
Prohibition.

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Why not just follow it to its ultimate logical conclusion, go back to a crib and suck on your mama's tit you baby.

>>133749485
Lets just all be gay and do drugs. Like real men who don't need no morality or laws. Yeah anarchism woo hoo

>>133733812
look here ill kill you for that

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>>133733303
We must not eliminate the weak by ourselves, God created natural selection for this reason and infant mortality is the solution without compromise.

At least that's how it works, it's the "ethical progress" that has eliminated the way nature tries to get rid of defective genes and the dysgenic mutations that these racial mixing fanatics try to make us believe as the next evolutionary stage..

>>133748989
>people cannot manage freedom
speak for yourself faggot you're clearly an apologist fucktard

>>133733303
>Abortion besides saving the life of the mother and for deformed children
Does being black or Hispanic count as a deformity?

Obama made me into quite a libertarian. Now that I've seen how organized and deeply entrenched the left is I've become a authoritarian.

>>133733303
Free men and patriots don't need any of those laws to behave rationally and decently

>>133733303
Bait threads should be illegal, but here we are.

>>133747129
Scarcity makes the beauty of it, and you sir come here to spread your pathological demons on others in order to obtain a possible amenity.

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>>133733485
found the jew

>>133733303
I don't agree. People who cannot figure it out by themselves should starve.

>>133750588
Yes people cannot. Show me where white people in the modern day are managing their freedom well. Every white place on earth is being flooded with non whites and plagued by drug abuse. There is none

If murder on a large scale is bad then it must be attempted to be eradicated even at the potential cost of freedom due to police being able to arrest you if your a suspect.
If mass drug abuse or prostitution/Abortion is bad especially en masse then efforts must be mad to stop it otherwise, since simply letting people do them does not stop them and it actually increases the rate of them.

Where's all the drugs in the Philippians gone?

>>133751427
Say goodbye to 99% white people then since we're collectively committing immigration suicide

>>133733303
>islam

>>133749690
Who said I'm going to do that, tho I will smoke drink and gamble. Let people ruin their lives. we're all adults. If we're not, after a few generations only the adults will be left.
>>133750264
Exactly, I say we have free heroin tents and street sweepers on call.
>>133750944
Bingo, this is baby talk, don't forget to baby proof you outlets and sand down any corners on sharp tables.

>>133751627
Don't you think that not rewarding the people who do this by taking care of them will drastically reduce the amount of them?

>>133749075
>if
too bad for you it isn't murder

>>133733303
Mmm, everything but the last one buddy. More leniency with abortion too. No third trimester but everything else is fine.

>>133733303
Why do you feel like you need to force others to live a certain way? Why do YOU need to step on other people's rights? Why can't YOU just live your life like that and let others live how they want, you authoritarian fuck.

>he thinks he can control the life millions of people
LOL you faggots never learn

>>133733303
Obesity

>>133733303
Buddy that aint gonna happen. People want their freedom, they allways do. They are willing to give up their freedom only for security. And if you create a society with no threats, like you probably desire, they will desire their freedom.

>>133733303
As much as I think that the abolition of these things is useful to avoid moral and societal decay, outlawing them might not be the best thing to do, in my opinion.

>inb4 reddit spacing, cunt, I'll type like this if I want

People, generally, will try to get things using money, and if the things they are after are difficult to acquire, then the price of those goods will be high, which will result in organized distribution and production of said good. Making cannabis illegal means the price to get it goes up, and the people who manufacture it in foreign areas, areas your state doesn't control which are most likely lawless shitholes, will make a sizeable profit considering the imagined cost of the good. Making cannabis legal, however regulated/treated like an illness, in the same way alcohol is, will result in organized crime around said good to go down.

Look at the prohibition era of the U.S.

When alcohol was made illegal, organized crime around the good began to spring up. People who wish to buy goods will buy them regardless of what the state says, albeit at a higher cost to them because of how risky it seems it is to manufacture the product.

Ideally, you would make these objects like cannabis, prostitution, gambling incredibly expensive within the industry, much like how taxing cigarettes in new york city works. Making production and solicitation of these goods illegal means that you can't tell the people who produce it what regulations to follow, and you cannot tax it. Taxing it can lead to revenue which can be used to advertise the ill effects of these goods, much like how in some countries pictures of gore caused by smoking has lead to a decrease in the buying of cigarettes. If you make it illegal, you cannot dictate to the manufacturer to put these images on the carton of cigarettes.

Most other things, imo, can be dealt with by teaching philosophy in high school, in conjunction with critical thinking. 1/?

>>133760324
This will form the foundation of thought, but generally people will still do things like having abortions, considering that while a person might know something is wrong, they will still do it because they feel they must.

In terms of abortion, ideally the solution for this is to make having a child not a serious burden on the mother of the child. Forming common houses which are partially funded by the state, or moreso organized partly by the state, so that single mothers/ young couples can continue life and see having children is a positive on life.

Note: It should not be the case that the state REWARDS people for having children, it should simply be that the state HELPS people when they have children. Otherwise people will have children simply for profit, and will live off of the state.

No fault divorce should be done away with. No point for it.

Adultery can be punished via marriage, when no fault divorce is rolled back.

Homosexuality and Transgenderism can be treated as a choice for these people, and substantiated by evidence. I do not have a reasonably well thought out way of dealing with the two which is practically feasible. If you ignore feasibility, then I could say "Well, make it so they all get shot". Well done you, you've just garnered distrust from your people, not to mention it won't stop people from becoming homosexual, they will simply hide in the closet. Not only is shooting people difficult when operated by such a lumbering monkey as the state, but identifying who is and isn't gay is a whole other challenge. Ideally, dealing with both issues at the root cause is the most likely to succeed, with the abuse of children/ broken household issue. Making it so that children have a stable mother and father for the duration of their childhood is ideally the best way to reduce the number of people who choose to be homosexual/transgender. It also helps that arguing for stable households/reduction of child abuse is hard to argue against. 2/2

>>133753113
look up S.L.E.D. you blithering faggot.

>>133733303
100% agree

>>133755820
>Slavery for 400$, Alex.

>>133733303
t. muslim

>>133733303
Pretty much. There's a few things wouldn't mind adjusted. But if this was the law of the land, and the with of the majority. I'd comply and not even speak out any single issue.
(one example, I can think of a few more acceptable reasons for abortion, and also I wouldn't bother with some of the degenerate stuff, as long as people kept it soddn PRIVATE)
But that said, I sure as taxes wouldn't white knight for any of that.

>>133733476
you do realize that Americans traditionally grew hemp and used it for a variety of things. They also enjoyed getting stoned recreationally as well.

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I'm against inducing people's liberties. Even if i don't agree, i'll accept that it's their freedom of right to live their lives to the fullest, as long as they follow the law.