Dilemma

>>133090999
We need to let Muslims in, and get rid of violent killing machines.

>>133090999
>>133091111
check'd

>>133090999
>1 post by this ID
Sage

>>133090999
THAT is some stonecold liberal logic right there, explains why your party is in the shitter

>>133090999
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.
Fucking OP is top fag.

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Guns are a constitutionally protected right. Muslims are not.

Islam is a dangerous, regressive ideology. They become dangerous as a whole once there's too many of them.

>>133090999
Ones in the Constitution. One isn't. Idiot.

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>>133091321
>>133091327
Irrelevant. This is the only argument.>>133091289
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.
Fucking OP is top fag.

>>133090999
Legal gun owners statistically commit less crimes than the average citizen and make up about 30% of the population.

Meanwhile 1% of the population makes up 50% of all acts of mass violence.

Really makes you think.

ban these slide threads, get in here!
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>>133091321
1st amendment protects Muslims
2nd amendment protects Guns
???????

>>133091450
Everyone knew the Russia thing was bullshit the moment it was suggested. What's the point?

>>133090999
Guns don't cause a disproportionate amount of violence compared to other fatal weapons like knives

muslims however do cause disproportionate terrorism

Checkmate trannies.

Ban the muzzies keep the guns. Such an easy option. How is this even bait lol?

>>133090999
Ban all gun ownership.

>Cognitive Dissonance

Because I'm a brainwashed libtard

>>133090999
>cognitive dissonance

A religious ideology vs A tool used to kill
Not equivalent

>>133090999

No tard it happened the other way around.
FIRST democrats wanted to ban guns because of a few tards with guns.
THEN muslims with guns and cars and knives and bombs and incompatible beliefs need to be banned

>>133090999
>>133091111
>they've learn how to manipulate digits

>>133091460
That's why THIS>>133091289
Is the only arguement.
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

>>133091528
m8 i took a shot. the digits were luck.

>>133091424
That's comedy gold a Canadian thinks a US Consititional right is irrelevant.

Your entire country is irrelevant.

>>133091460
The state can't sponsor (or, by some definitions, prosecute) a religion BUT that only applies when they are in the country. If the constitution applies the way leftists think it does we would have to invade every country on earth because of constitutional infractions.

>>133090999
What a waste of trips

>>133091533
but what if that religious is completely against what the constitution is about

>>133091524
>islam is not a tool used to kill
ISIS seems to base their whole thing on it faggot.

>>133091597
>The state can't sponsor (or, by some definitions, prosecute) a religion
Yes just like how you can only own a gun if you are in a militia, under some definitions

>>133091584
Constitutions are the only reason the Muslims got into our countries in the first place.
Any other point can be argued other than THIS>>133091289
"During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot."
>>133091289
This is the only argument that cannot be debunked.

>>133090999
guns are already here by the HUNDREDS of millions.

criminals will ALWAYS have access to guns from south america and the black market if they are banned for non criminal americans.

muslims are from countries OUTSIDE the united states.

there are no rights in the united states for non citizens.

banning something that isn't here to begin with (3 million) is not the same as banning something the permeates (300 million) the entire society.

>>133091651
Irrelevant, it's a fucking loophole.
THIS is the only argument>>133091289
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

I pick some of a and some of b, anyone preaching non-secular Islam is kicked out and crazy people aren't allowed to own guns. Also, keep the really cool stuff at a gun club.

>>133090999
Muslims are not a means to the end that is my own self-defense. They are partially-sentient, acting beings, not objects.

>>133091460
1st amendment:
hereby we proclaim that borders and nations are invalid and everyone should be let in the country regardless of how unfit for life in civilization he is

oh wait, it doesnt say that

>>133091460

>1st amendment protects Muslims

who are already citizens of the country

>>133091665
It was a fairly recent ruling thay determined that prosecution was the same as sponsorship is all I meant.

Also, grammatically, the definition you are talking about is impossible.

Of course, had to be americans to seriously discuss this trivial useless topic.

>>133090999
Ban all muslims so they can't shoot up schools.

>>133091651
Why are they coming to a country antithetical to their beliefs? This very reasoning exactly echoes that Muslims are incompatible with Western civilization. They must go back.

>>133091911
Irrelevant, This is only argument.
>>133091777
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

>>133091778
Fuck off. The "crazy stuff" is almost NEVER used in murders. Rifles, of all kinds not just "assault", are the source of less than 200 gun deaths a year, which are mostly suicide.

>>133091901
Nao

>>133090999
We want legal both, but we need right to shoot anyone who pulls out muslim in a public. You can have muslims as long as you will keep them in safe and protect children from playing with them and you will take full responsibility if your muslim fires by accident.

>>133090999

the difference is a gun doesnt choose to kill people like a muslim does

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>>133090999
Get rid of Niggers to get rid of gun violence.

Irrelevant, this is the only argument>>133091777
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

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>>133090999
[x] Option 3: Discard liberalism-egalitarianism, restore monoethnic tribal society, suppress and remove all minorities, free gun ownership for your people!

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>>133090999
>>133091111

The only argument>>133091777
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

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>>133090999
DELETE THIS!!!!!!

During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

Banning muslims is to stop multiculturalism you retarded faggot

I am a citizen of the USA, where I live. This is the only argument.
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

>>133090999
Its not a hard choice or a sign of cognitive dissonance because banning all muslins is simply not the same as banning a gun. Although its funny if you are a libshit and you actually that.

Banning all muslims can also be argued in other ways, you are simply strawmanning it for trolling purposes. How about i dont want a fucking Mosque instead of a church in my town? Hows that for a reason? Or i dont want rapegangs roaming around public schools? Get fucked and sage. in all fields

>>133091777
When Canada stole my triples.

>>133091988
Gun murders are rare here, it's mostly stabbings, stranglings and bludgeoning.

Regardless, it's to prevent you even thinking about carrying your own personal automatic weapon you bought walking down the streets. After a gun licence, gun club membership and maybe some army stuff, after all that you can get pretty much anything here.

See how this works? If I had mental health problems or had flunked through the army or whatever I wouldn't own guns.

>>133091960
>firearms course

Yeah.... no

I was a multiple gun owner before ever taking a course.

You don't need to take any kind of firearms course for rifles and shotguns.

Only when you want a concealed carry permit (and some states don't even require a course for this) might you need a short formal class.

But yes, "kill all infidels" isn't really the kind of religion I want to be around.

>>133090999
'gun ownership' can't shoot, it's an abstract concept

>>133092330
I am an American my dude. It's burger time. Now my opinion matters because USA is where I live.
This is the only argument.
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

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>>133090999
Here's the thing. We don't need Muslims. What do they actually contribute? How does importing more benefit us?

Meanwhile the gun problem is more of a genie is out of the bottle type thing. They exist, they're not going away. Just like anything else, if you make them illegal, criminals will still get them. And then you have a population where all the law abiding citizens are unarmed and the criminals have guns.

This is reductio ad absurdum. Muslims aren't guns, they're too totally different things. It's funny though because the way you set up this question you implying Muslims are just tools for killing people.

>>133090999
Sorry, we need guns to protect ourselves from the muslims

>>133092233
> How about i don't want a fucking Mosque instead of a church in my town?

Who cares what some rural uneducated Trump voter wants?

Are you ok with banning mosques? Then you are being unconstitutional. The right to gather in a religious place is in the constitution.

So the constitution does not matter? Then be consistent and say goodbye to your dated militia clause. You can not cherry pick from the constitution to suit your wants. Or if you do, at least admit that you have inconsistent beliefs.

>>133092340
My pappy taught me how to use, assemble and clean muh gun. This counts as a firearms course. I live in America, and I am a USA citizen. It is burger time... my dudes. This is the only argument.
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

Why do guys keep saying "firearms course"?

This is a meme.

Pretty much no state requires anything other than showing your drivers licnese to walk out of the gun shop with a rifle, shotgun, and handgun (after the 2 week waiting period for the handgun only).

States only require a course when you want to conceal carry your handgun. And some states have even dropped this requirement.

Firearms course isn't required.

>>133092341
Read "gun owners"

>>133092513
Reddit spacing, go faggot. I am a USA guy. USA USA USA. This is the only argument.
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.
Burger... Time.

>>133092330
"the government has the right to tell me if I think the right things enough to own a weapon"

Jesus fucking christ. There is zero correlation between murders and gun ownership. Places with constitutional carry, the unlicensed carrying of a firearm in public concealed, the longest amount of time have some of the lowest murder rates in our country. Plus we have more niggers.

>>133092538
See
>>133092525
Burger Time. This is the only argument.
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

>>133092586
I've been criticized for my spacing as well.

What's wrong with inserting a space to clean things up?

Is it any worse than you pasting the same "burger time" idiocy? More than once even.

>>133092513
>Who cares what some rural uneducated Trump voter wants?
you'd best start caring, loser party

>>133092677
Burger time in USA my dudes. The only argument is:
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.
I am not a Canadian. USA USA USA. Burger time!

>>133092633
Where does it state in the Quran that all non-Muslims should be killed?

Actually, the Quran states:

> "It is permissible to fight against oppression and persecution. This does not apply only to Islam and Muslims, because everyone has the right to worship God. God says, “To those against whom war is made, permission is given [to fight] because they are wronged and verily God is Most Powerful for their aid. [They are] those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right [for no cause] except that they say, ‘Our Lord is God.’ If God did not check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of God is commemorated in abundant measure” 22:39 – 40

Now compare the above reasoning with gun owners stating that they need a gun to protect themselves in case they are oppressed / in threat of violence?

Not so different, at all.

>>133090999
While we are at it ban all knifes because some are used to kill people ...
You are a donkey, sir.

>>133090999
Yeah, except we benefit from civilian gun ownership. It allows us the natural right to protect ourselves and keeps tyranny at bay.

We don't benefit at all from Islam. The two are not similar and your mind is very childish if you think so.

>>133092834
>you will kill the unbelievers wherever you find them
Ring any bells?

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>>133092906
That's like saying: Ban Muslims because someone choked on a Berlin kebab once.

Do you think Adam Lanza could have cleared out that school with a kitchen knife?

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>>133090999
FUCKING SLIDE THREADS. FOCUS ON THE SETH RICH LEAKS YOU IDIOTS. SHILLS ARE STORMING US RIGHT NOW.

>>133090999
Guns have a useful purpose, muslimes don't.

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>>133092834
>Taqiyya, the post.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous - the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) - and oppression are not used instead of fitna. Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. A strict translation is 'sedition,' meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah). This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. [Editor's note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that 'fighting' is sanctioned even if the fitna 'ceases'. This is about religious order, not real persecution.]

>>133092428
>Here's the thing. We don't need Muslims. What do they actually contribute? How does importing more benefit us?
BUT HOW WILL WE SURVIVE WITHOUT ALL THOSE THIRD WORLD DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS?

Islam started science, I'll have you know. Mathematics and the scientific method came from Muslims! Obviously the accomplishments of centuries ago translate into the demography of modern-day Islamic society lel

Oy

>>133092834
>>133093116
I am and American, it is burger time. USA USA USA.>>133093116
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.

>>133090999
Importing hordes of people who don't mesh into our society isn't constitutionally protected. Gun ownership is. Nigger.

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>>133090999
>Ban all Muslims, because a few of them are terrorists.
>Ban gun ownership, because of a few of them shoot up schools.

False equivalency. Guns provide a means to protect oneself. They have utility, and that utility far outweighs the risks of allowing them. On the contrary, having more Muslims does not benefit my country in any way. They are an unnecessary risk.

>>133093032
The actual verse is:

"And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.".

As such it does not apply to Christians and Jews, but to pagans: polytheists.

And the next verse (the sura has 9 verses):

"If any one of those who join gods with God ask an asylum of thee, grant him an asylum, that he may hear the Word of God, and then let him reach his place of safety".

You also take it out of the context: It was written during a tribal war.

Vey

>>133093039
>ban guns because because murder happens
>ban knifes because murders happen
>ban hammers because murders happen
>ban any kind of blade or tool because murders happen
>ban food because people choke on it
>ban water because people drown in it
>ban penises because rapes happen
Let's ban all the things because if you want one thing banned you need to also ban other things because reasons

>>133093222
During the firearms course they don't hand out a book that says all non-firearm owners should be shot.
It is burger time. I hate maple syrup.

>>133090999
Guns shoot up schools on their own, really activates my almonds.

Question needs to be ban all muslims because a "few" of them are terrorists and ban all humans because a few of them turn to mass murder.

Islam is an ideology. Gun ownership is a constitutional right in the USA. They aren't even remotely similar.

>>133090999
you cant ban guns in the US given how large and multicultural it is. If I lived in the US I can tell you I would want to own a weapon to defend myself.
Remove all the non-europeans and I am sure most Americans would not have the same need for gun ownership (except for hunting and collecting).

also one could argue that guns are a part of American burger culture while Muslims are not. Same with Alcohol in Denmark. People die more of it than any other drug and we will never ban it because its so ingrained and part of our history and culture that Danes would really not be Danes without it.

>>133093039
It's actually more like "ban muslims because they're a hostile, rapidly expanding demographic that is resistant to integration and hold extremely authoritarian religiontard values. Also many more are/sympathize with terrorists than any other ideological group."

>>133093243
>muh context
Don't give a shit. Vast numbers of muslims wherever they're present in their little enclaves believe in violent retaliation to fucking Muhammad cartoons

>>133093394
Eihoofd! Freedom of religion is a constitutional right too.

>>133090999
>Explain your cognitive dissonance
>Not realizing those are two very distinct and different threat levels
"A few" being the 40% that push for Sharia Law, that means Billions want you dead simply for being a faggot, OP. Would you really be okay with knowing that HALF of the people that got off the plane want you dead? I'm being serious.

>Muh school shootings
How often do those happen in comparison to terrorist attacks? Are you paying attention to only US terror attacks or global terror attacks? Because I can say with confidence, hundreds are killed on average every week via terrorism while it will take several months before dozens are killed from a lone gunman, which is usually dead within the day.

OP, the left needs to fix its shit. It's time you stopped making fun of the right and checked yourselves or you won't have a party to vote for by next election.

>>133090999
Ban all Muslims, no brainer.muslims aren't people

So, children - what have we learned today?
That analogies are stupid!

>>133093420
I dont know your laws but if that is true then ive just lost the last bit of respect ive held for burgers.
>Freedom of Religion
what does that even mean? You can believe and practice any belief without needing approval?

>>133090999

Well you already want to ban gun ownership so by that logic you should want to band Muslims too.

>>133093420
For citizens. You can still deny entry based on faith.

That still doesn't change the fact that Islam and gun ownership aren't comparable.

>>133093444
I am actually of the position that we should not ban gun ownership, nor freedom of religion. I do think gun ownership is stupid, unnecessary to own a semi-automatic, but I am consistent.

In the US, more than 10,000 Americans will likely be killed in gun murders this year. Another 20,000 will likely be lost to gun suicide. The total number of gun deaths and violent injuries will be close to 100,000.

America's gun problem is far larger than mass shootings...

Sure, you can find other reasons to ban Muslims. But to use the trope that: some Skittles in the bowl will be dangerous, applies to gun owners too.

>>133093420
>Eihoofd! Freedom of religion is a constitutional right too.
Problem is that Islam is wholly antithetical to that right. Vast numbers of them seek to impose their fairytail onto legislation, and when the demographics of a country is replaced by them, your constitution won't mean fuck all when the majority wants a theocracy. That document isn't infallible, least of all to them.

>>133093729
Because criminals own commit crimes with legal guns?

>>133093591
It means one can't be prosecuted for practicing a state acknowledged religion. Hence why cults aren't allowed

>>133093724
> You can still deny entry based on faith.
Except you can't.

> the fact that Islam and gun ownership aren't comparable
I am not talking about Islam or gun ownership being comparable. I'm talking about the reasoning behind banning both.

Democrats whine that we should ban gun ownership, because a few bad apples.

Republicans whine that we should ban Muslims, because a few bad apples.

Either ban both, or ban none. Cherry pick one and forever battle with inconsistent thoughts.

>>133093729
You forgot to mention that the vast majority of violent crime is done by hands of a very small minority of violent criminals (aka niggers), and largely has nothing to do with law abiding gun owners. Banning guns would not remove guns from the hands of criminals; Canada is proof of this, as 1/4 of our murders are still carried out with illegal guns. This ratio is only slightly smaller than America's.

tl;dr banning guns by and large gives criminals a monopoly on deadly force, and punishes law abiding citizens unjustly.

>>133093942
So you are saying there are 0 bad apples among gun owners?

>>133093908
They aren't comparable thus the argument doesn't hold up. They aren't analogies for one another

>>133091321
>What is freedom of religion

>>133093890
>one can't be prosecuted for practicing a state acknowledged religion.
ahh so it is not completely retarded. The state can then simply just declare Islam a death cult and then ban the "religion".

>>133094045
Those bad apples are by definition not law abiding gun owners.

>>133094081
The reasoning behind banning either is not similar?

>>133093908
No, it's because the Koran preaches that all non-believers should be wiped out, killed or reduced to a managed population that can be forced into Dhimmitud.
The manual that comes with your gun does not tell you to force all non-gunowners to become gun owners under threats of death and/or extreme and unfair taxation.
You're legitimately retarded. How does it feel to be arguing for the side of pure evil?

>>133090999
muslims aren't written into the us constitution and are only a recent thing in the US

>>133094123
Like those ISIS terrorists who kill care workers are not Allah fearing Muslims?

>>133093908
Guns are a right, citizenship/living in the country is a privalage, one is a right and a garunteed, one is not .....simple really.

>>133094199
But gun bearing militias are a thing of the distant past.

Muslims kill people.

Guns have literally never killed anyone.

>>133090999
>Bring back the polygamy rule pertaining to immigration
>Bring back literacy tests to vote
These two things will bring down our crime rates more than any of you know.

>>133090999
>ban something that's been a right of freedom for hundreds of years for our citizens
>stop immigrants with a dangerous faith from coming into our country

HMMM.

>>133094211
You're not very good at logic anon.

>>133090999
Ban all muslims, because islam is an objectively shit religion and i want less shitskins in the west, and this is one of the viable ways to do this.

Gun ownership freely available, because i like guns and the white man has freedoms (but shitskins dont).

>>133094150
No.
I don't want to ban Islam because of a few bad apples, I want to ban it because its an ideology directly opposed to western values. Gun violence in the USA is caused by a number of different factors, almost never religion though.

Meanwhile in Europe we have gun control and Muslims and the authorities keep finding caches full of mortars and assault rifles.

>>133094150
no it the reasoning is not.
You want to ban guns because guns are dangerous tools which can be used by unpleasant people to commit acts of violence.

Banning Muslims is about banning a ideology which encourage disgusting and uncivilized behavior.

if one accepted your childish argument then you would need to ban cars as well for instance. It is pure idiocy.

>>133094211
You realize Isis has killed hundreds of thousands for not being the right kind of Muslim, right?

>>133094316
You are exactly parroting Muslims who say that terrorists are not true Muslims.

Bad apple gun owners are not really law abiding gun owners

Bad apple Muslims are not really true Muslims.

Just say to ban none: And arrest / trial them only when they break the law.

Both good Muslims and gun owners can turn evil at any time. You are not inherently and permanently law abiding.

>>133090999
Muslims have a shared ideology, guns are an inmate object. Next.

>>133094497
Gun manuals don't tell you to shoot people that do not own guns.>>133094166

>>133094497
Just wait until the next incident like Omar 'Dump a mag in every fag' Mateen which you'll use to push gun grabbing narratives

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>>133090999
>he thinks we care about the terrorist attacks and not about the cultural and ethnic homogenity of the european nations

>>133094497
Your premise relies on good Muslims existing the first place. Youre ignoring its an ideology

>>133094358
Ok. If you don't use this reasoning (ban Muslims for low percentage of terrorists) then this thread is irrelevant for you.

Go shit up another thread with sound logical reasons to ban Islam. There are probably 10 of those on the front page right now.

It just means that you care for the constitution and human rights only when it suits your bubble, for you, they dont hold universally.

>>133090999
There is no right in the bill that says you have the right to kill non-believers.

>>133094452
33,000 between 2002 and 2015. 1200 outside of Syria.

That's about 1 year of American gun ownership.

>>133094634
>low
There's enough active terrorists among Isis, FSA, boko haram to take over entire nations.

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>>133094497
>You are exactly parroting Muslims who say that terrorists are not true Muslims.
Gun laws or a lack thereof have no effect on violent crime. A violent person will be violent irrespective of the gun laws, and a criminal will get his hands on a gun if he wants one irrespective of the gun laws. The most violent countries in the world have strict gun laws, and some of the safest have lax laws. Islam on the other hand has a one to one correlation to violence. Islam CAUSES people to be violent.

>Bad apple gun owners are not really law abiding gun owners
That's by definition. A person who owns a gun and breaks the law is not a law abiding gun owner. This is very simple logic that even a liberal should be able to understand.

>Bad apple Muslims are not really true Muslims.
The Quaran directly instructs Muslims to kill people and wage war on unbelievers. If anything ISIS are the most "true" Muslims of all. Anyone who claims this is simply ignorant.

>>133094497
the massive difference is that gun owners who commits crimes are not punished for their ownership of a gun but for their criminal behavior.

also logically ISIS fundamentalists are the good Muslims since they try to follow the teachings of the Koran the most literally. The "bad" Muslims are the ones who do not want to stone faggots and kill the infidel.

>>133094720
You do realise that the vast majority of gun deaths are either suicides or gang bangers shooting other gang bangers with shitty hi-points, right?

>>133094615
So you are saying that all Muslims are non-good?

>>133094497
"Good Muslims" are the grass that the snake hides in, only a very great portion of the grass believes the snake is justified in biting you.

The only truly good muslims are people like Raheel Raza, Sheikh M. Tawhidi, and (ex muslim) Ayaan Hirsi Ali who acknowledge and expose the problems within Islam and Islamic communities.

>>133090999
HER DER IM GOING TO PUT 2 UNRELATED THINGS TOGETHER AND HAVE YOU PICK BETWEEN THEM BECAUSE I LOVE MUSLIMS

thats you op thats what you sound like and i hope you get culturally enriched by one of the muslims you seek to protect

>>133094790
Yes

> its a "leftist posts an argument then plainly ignores any defeating responses so he can pretend to be correct" episode.

They keep re-running this one.

>>133090999
So your saying get rid of muslims and blacks?

>>133093729
First, I'm not sure if you even know what a "semi-auto" is or if you should have a strong opinion on it or not. Semi-auto is very standard.

Secondly, you're accounting those murders from liberal cities with already incredibly strict gun laws. You're aware of this, right? Perhaps if people didn't cramp themselves into cities, people wouldn't be so aggressive? Just a thought. You're also going off of a forecast as data? Anon please.
>Counting suicide via gun as gun violence
>Counting "violent injuries" as a gun problem
This is just padding numbers in favor of your narrative now. Your bias is clearly showing here.

>America's gun problem is far larger than mass shootings
>No citations or examples given

>Only some skittles are dangerous
No, you're missing the point. It's close to HALF of the skittles are poison, anon. HALF. That is a dangerously high ratio. Especially when compared to how many gun owners there are vs how many kill innocent people? About 20% of the US are gun owners. That's circa 64,000,000 people. Even if 10,000 people go nuts and shoot an innocent person that's 63,990,000 people that didn't.
There are 1.6 Muslims in the world. That's a population about twice that of the US that wants to kill you. Consider that.

Your comparison is so off base, I'm sure you're either not thinking this through because your mind is clouded by your hate for guns or you're just not looking at the full picture here...

>>133094868
Yep, It's burger time, my dudes.

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>>133090999
Guns are not sentien and motivated by a barbaric ideology

>>133094790
good and bad is a subjective postmodern way of looking at things.
but if one was to take the position that none western is bad and violence is bad then indeed all Muslims are bad.

or you could follow your heart and simply call the goatfuckers for what they really are; a violent backwards death cult.

>>133094848
So, what if I then state: all gun owners are irresponsible and potentially dangerous and can't handle all that fire power. Nobody really needs a semi-automatic to hunt deer.

It's basically a battle of opinions then. No rational argument provided.

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>>133091460
>>133094105
Islam promotes pedophillia, beastiality, and murder and rape in the name of their false god allah. these things are not protected under the constituion, and are banned.

mohammad was the kind of person who would cut off your head, drain the blood in the sand, and rape your wife in the bloody sand. thats exactly what islam is.

>>133094924
You're a shitposting idiot, but it's kind of endearing

>>133094832
how is the provided reasoning for banning both unrelated?

>>133094868
Pretty much. I've seen a lot of trolling in my day, and I don't think this is it. I think this guy is just an arrogant liberal with a sub-100 IQ.

>>133095002
See.
>>133094584
And all my other posts.
You lost again, jackass.

>>133095024
hee hee hee! I'm having fun.

>>133090999
Would pick both, but niggas should be banned too.

>>133095056
Who works by ignoring any arguments he can't beat and circling around to his beaten arguments from the start in other arguments to make the other person give up.

>>133095002
Gun owner =/= willing follower of a violent religious doctrine directly opposed to and dedicated to the destruction of western civilisation
Your argument is moot

>>133095002
there are 300 million guns in the US.

do you want to put that into perspective of how many people die in the US to how many guns and gun owners there are?

mcdonalds kills more people every year than guns do, wheres your regulation on heart attack causing food you fat dumb fuck

>>133090999
>Not giving everyone a gun and shooting all the Muslims.
It's the only correct answer

>>133095287
>there are 300 million guns in the US.
>do you want to put that into perspective of how many people die in the US to how many guns and gun owners there are?
Also compare that to % of ideologically motivated violence committed by moose limbs, who are (thankfully but only currently) a small minority on our shores.

>>133095018
Hollywood promotes pedophilia, beastiality is legal in more than 10 US states, God told Bush to invade Iraq (And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it.) and finally:

A Republican politician who was defending a new abortion bill claimed rape and incest could all be part of God’s will.

Oklahoma representative George Faught also said “the Lord uses all circumstances” while debating the amendment in the US state’s House of Representatives.

The bill would impose fines of $10,000, rising to $100,000, for any person who performs an abortion solely because of a diagnosis of Down’s syndrome or any other “genetic abnormality”.
“Is rape the will of God?” asked Rep. Cory Williams.

Mr Faught replied: “If you read the Bible, there’s actually a couple circumstances where that happened and the Lord uses all circumstances.

“I mean, you can go down that path, but it’s a reality, unfortunately.”

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>>133095430
>All these strawmen
>All these false equivalencies
>All that mental gymnastics
You certainly aren't convincing anyone reading this thread, I can promise you that

>>133095430
>Hollywood promotes pedophilia
How, when, and where? I know that a lot of pedophilia happens, but I've never seen it promoted.

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>>133095430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8W4B9QK21Y

>>133095170
You gave one argument that I thought was so stupid and besides the point that I didnt care to reply, but sure:

>>133094542
1. Gun owners are not inanimate.

2. The reasoning behind banning both is the exact same reasoning. To say that a gun is different from a Muslim is... well you want a biscuit for your unrelated observation?

>>133095002
You REALLY don't know what "semi-auto" means, do you?

Here's something that is neither semi-auto or full auto. It's called BOLT ACTION. I'm sure you'd think this is how ALL guns should be but imagine this scenario realistically, if you can.

>You're hunting and very hungry
>You creep up to spot a deer
>You take a shot and miss
>You fumble with the bolt and release the casing inside
>You take your eyes off the target for one second to load another round in
>The deer is already gone

With a semi-auto it would have been more like this.
>You creep up and spot a deer
>You aim and fire
>You miss but that's okay because you still have anywhere between 4 and 9 more rounds in your clip/magazine (depending on what sort of rifle you have)
>You take another shot and nail the deer as it's running away
>Nice shot

Now try to imagine that difference in a life or death self defense situation?
With a bolt action rifle, you would have one shot (if you're respond immediately and have good aim) to stop a single attacker. If you're being attacked by a group, you'd be completely and totally fucked.

With a semi-auto, you would have several rounds at the ready. Not enough to kill an army but a group of attackers, if your aim is decent.

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>>133094248
How long ago is this "Past" you refer to?

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>>133090999
Guns has no free will and therefore are no threat by themselves. Better proposition. Ban all terrorists and bad people starting from most evil: Muslims and """liberals""".

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>>133095594
>gets told about 20 different ways using clear and precise logic why he's wrong
>ignores posts and repeats himself again

>>133093148
Erroneous, Muslims used ancient greek texts to recreate sciences.
Doctors and natural philosophers were greeks, and then Romans, before becoming either the christian elite or the muslim elite in the Middle ages. (We disregard Eastern Asia here because they have their own particular history until two centuries ago)

>>133095430
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>>133095594
This isnt about gun owners, you said ban guns. Try not to confuse your premises.

As for gun owners they dont have a shared content-full ideology. So even if that had been your argument it doesnt work either.

>>133094497
>And arrest / trial them only when they break the law.
Any Muslim taking oath in court or oath of enlistment in non Caliphate country automatically breaks law (lying under oath) by definition.

>>133095666
I try not to pass judgement on people, especially if they seem like they want a good discussion and to learn, but he doesn't seem like he wants either. I'm fairly certain he's retarded or just here to spread his gospel like those EVIL Christians that he hates so much. You know, the ones that frown at him sometimes but don't actually threaten to behead him.

>>133095861
Yeah, ban those evil Christians, because... Jim Jones.

>>133090999
Hmmm

>>133094105
Islam is a system of governance.

>>133090999
>[ ] Ban all Muslims, because most of them are terrorists and the ones that aren't support, encourage or turn a blind eye to such behavior. An extremely small minority weakly speak out against it.
I pick this one.

>>133094105
Religion is not an excuse for a crime. All real Muslim are automatically criminals in non Caliphate country. Not a real Muslims following false Islam are obviously follow no religion and are not protected by freedom of religion :^)

>>133096254
1 in 4 british muslims publically support the hebdo murders and believe in shariah law.

I dont even publically admit i think we should deport muslims. Really makes me think about that peaceful majority...

>>133090999
>Muslims
>few are terrorists
>gun control
>stopping people from using guns

You're arguing from an inherently flawed foundation, so fuck off.

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>>133095907
>Jim Jones

>>133093039

More people die of stabbings than gun shots

>>133096419
2 in 3 wouldn't report a terrorist plot to the police.
Some 60% believe violent retaliation is a valid response to insulting Islam.
More than half believe teh gheys should be criminalized.

When they say "peaceful" they mean "not actively killing people".

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>>133095430
>beastiality is legal in more than 10 US states,
these are recent additions, at the start of this country these things, including rape and incest were banned.

>Hollywood promotes pedophilia
yes, whats your point? hollywood is ran by jews, and gay mafia. half the shit in hollywood forces you to do gayshit in order to be famous, and not only that most of hollywood are pedophiles.

>Mr Faught replied: “If you read the Bible, there’s actually a couple circumstances where that happened and the Lord uses all circumstances.

well, nope, it actually isn't. rapists are always killed in violent ways in the bible for their crime, mr faught has probably never read a bible in his entire life.

there's what people say about the bible, and then there's actually what the bible says.

> God told Bush to invade Iraq
you know, at this point I wouldn't really doubt this
Sadam actually had WOMD regardless whether you believe it or not, he had access to 2 large Russian bombers and made some 50 trips with them in order to remove all weapons from his land.

>A Republican politician who was defending a new abortion bill claimed rape and incest could all be part of God’s will.
it still doesn't disregard the fact the bible dictates those who commit rape and incest are stoned, and die horrible deaths due to their crimes, also incest babies usually come out retarded.


>Is rape the will of God?” asked Rep. Cory Williams
i'd like to point out the man you're quoting is actually a christian

pretty much >>133095541

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>>133090999

>School shooter gets guns
>But you also get guns

>Mussies get bombs
>But you don't get bombs too, or allowed to infiltrate their homes and arbitrarily genocide their people for the sake of diversity

>>133090999
Tell me more about the benefits of letting more these "things" in. Guns are used to incapacitate threats. Muslims are the threats, a bunch of parasites that would do nothing but drain the shit out of welfare and multiply until they grow large enough to control a country.

>>133096622
Add to that the fact that NO muslim doesnt believe that the quran is exactly word for word as allah originally gave it, no matter how stupid that claim is. Especially as we have found older, different qurans and the fact that there was a huge muslim split directly after mohammeds death concerning which quran was real.

That means that there is no room for interpretation or change, just degrees of adherence. So left long enough all moderate muslims will progress only in one direction, its not the one punishable by death.

>>133090999
It's simple.

Islam is hate speech.

this is actually a great argument for liberal gun grabbers

thanks OP!

im always looking for more argumentive ammunition

>mfw i can shame liberals on facebook

>>133090999

People are much easier to control, find, arrest, keep out.

Also islamic terrorists are evil and deluded by ideology(unlike guns), therefore they can perform bad acts, with or without guns, therefore they are more dangerous than guns. Being more dangerous than guns, they should be banned before we consider banning guns. As all islamic terrorists belong to the religion of islam, we can get a 100% prevention of islamic terror by denying ALL muslims entry(deportations should be considered as well), which is great.

In USA you already have something like 400 000 000 firearms, making them illegal now will be counterproductive because criminals and those contemplating mass-shootings are unlikely to consider the legality of their actions.

> TL;dr

> Op is a faggot who didn't think this through, but came up with a clever msm-esque got ya question. You democrat IQ is showing, tuck it in.

>>133097171
They'll just respond with a host of poorly researched "majority of muslims are good" posts and then circle jerk over false right wing terror statistics with white nationalists like omar mateen.

They wont listen to your arguments, will like their friends' posts and call it a win. Only use of facebook is to gently make them angry and start going on about trans people and anti-white crap. Then you win over observers.

>>133090999
Letting in Muslims doesn't have an upside but guns do (self defence). Also Muslim terror has the possibility of increasing further and simply removing guns will lead to more knife crime.

>>133090999
Bam Muslims but not because they're terrorists, ban them because Islam is incompatible with white society

>>133096688
> rapists are always killed in violent ways in the bible for their crime

Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.

And I will gather all against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished;

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>>133090999
>>133091111
Stop trying

>>133090999
The second option is unconstitutional. The first option is not.

>>133090999
Guns for everyone because we are free citizens in our country, no muslims because they should stay in their country.

>>133098206
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.

No person can be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person's race, sex, nationality, place of birth or place of residence.

>>133098630
People who are not citizens of the United States do not enjoy the rights granted by its constitution.

Additionally, the president is given the power to prohibit all immigrants, or any class of immigrants, from entering the country for any reason and until such time as he deems necessary.

>>133090999

Muslims are not tools.

>>133098939
>any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

>>133098958
Sure they are, they are the tools of European enslavement. Once you have a rambunctious bickering mesh of ethnicities in one space they are fairly easy to control with militarized police.

>>133098939
Also, Trump's Muslim ban has been found unconstitutional by many different lawyers.

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>>133090999
>ban all muslims, because there is no amendment that says you can / must have muslims
>don't ban guns, because you have an amendment that guarantees your right to bear arms

no dilemma there

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>>133099066
Muslims who are not citizens and who are living in the Middle-East are not within the jurisdiction of the United States.

>>133099153
Unfortunately for them, the Supreme Court disagrees.

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>>133092330

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>>133099684
>>133090999

>>133097938
>being this shallow

>Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.

this was done against the Medians who praticed Ba'al worship. part of Ba'al worship was pederasty, meaning all the boys were abused, and sacrifice of young virgin girls, those who weren't sacrifice were usually given to whoredom.

also

25 “But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. 26 But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. 27 When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her.

wow, look at that, a law stating a man who is raping a woman just be put to death. also every single time a story is told of someone raping a virgin, the rapist dies. there is no marriage, only death despite the law.

>then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor
you know the Jews had laws concerning the treatment of slaves their laws dictate they must be treated like hired workers

9 “You shall not oppress a [a]stranger, since you yourselves know the [b]feelings of a [c]stranger, for you also were [d]strangers in the land of Egypt.
53 Like a man hired year by year he shall be with him; he shall not rule over him with severity in your sight.

>And I will gather all against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished;


ok, you must be an idiot, this is a prophecy concerning how Jerusalem (gods city) will be taken, and how its women will be raped due to the evil the city itself practices.

>>133099215
Not in germanistan Hans