Is it right to bring a baby into this terrible world?

>>131681315
Go back to >>>/r9k/, faggot

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>>131681315
I'm just gonna speak on behalf of god and assume whatever primordial force is out there probably wants you to pass on that code bucko
I mean what other "missions" in life do you have?

>>131681315
Your father is dead, bucko

If you continue going down that road you'll end up jumping off a bridge

>>131681602
but /r9k/ is full of roasties and normies!!!

>>131681315
If you are already of the persuation that it is not right to bring a baby into this world, you shouldn't - because you're one of the stupified herd and there are enough of you.

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>>131681315
If you don't want life to continue, then why don't you start with ending your own, and leave the rest of us to living?

>>131681315
>Is it right to bring a baby into this terrible world?
if you want him/her to be exposed to the most degenerate society on earth yet, then yes.
and you can't save them from the indoctrination they need to go through, so don't even think to meme about it.

>>131681315
Why the fuck not? If you raise your children right they can make positive change for your people. This pessimistic attitude is why the muslims will win.

Jordan Peterson is at it again with his really transparent Tradcon antics? WOW WHAT A SURPRISE. Why did you even make this thread? To read all the dank LE SORT xD memes?

>>131681901
Isn't homeschooling allowed in Austria?
There are ways to shield your children from degeneracy.
Not reproducing is accepting the loss in the battle against the eternal Jew.

>>131681918

>haha having one sutistic kid outside our means is going to save the Western Civilization

The Muslims will win because you're not killing them, not because of "pessimistic attitudes" . Peterson is playing musical chairs on a sinking ship.

>>131681648
>I mean what other "missions" in life do you have?

None. So?

>>131682529
I'd think that way too if I had to raise my kids in an old commieblock. Hard to not be pessimistic if that's their future.

>>131682085
>Isn't homeschooling allowed in Austria?
would be new to me desu, if it's possible it might be a very strict thing.

>There are ways to shield your children from degeneracy.
of course, especially the first 6-8 years i would also argue it's possible, but the older your kid gets, the harder it will be for you to shield them, especially during puberty. your kid will be exposed to the degeneracy, just like we are exposed to all the shit that is going down now. whether your kid can handle it gracefully or not doesn't just depend on how you educated it, but on its temperament, some personality traits, friends and more things that are often out of your control.
all parents have their limits.

>>131683389
so fucking kill yourself you listless little faggot. or are you too scared?

>>131683479
>would be new to me desu
As far as I know, only Germany doesn't allow homeschooling in the EU.

>>131683545
Why would I kill myself? I enjoy living.

itt: shills against western civilizaiton

>>131683741
Hedonism is an ugly thing. if you don't continue your forefather's legacy, you are not needed.

>>131683845
According to your worldview. Thankfully I don't give a fuck about your opinion. Now go play with your wife's kids before the police come and take your computer away, Sebastian.

>>131683845
Needed for what, exactly?

>>131683945
Think about it logically and you arrive at the same answer.
You should read more Philosophers.

>>131681901
Best post.

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>>131684045
>makes arguments based 100% on feelz
>tells others to think about things logically

>>131683741
t. 12 year old

you'll stop enjoying life when mommy and daddy are gone.

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The SJW far left is picking up on just how much of a threat Jordan Peterson really is. The man is uniting the lost flock of millenial men, urging them to sort their lives out and improve on themselves before they go out and fix the world. The SJW menace to western civilization knows what is just beyond the horizon, their ultimate undoing is being baked in to society right now and Peterson is the chef, the Shepard collecting the lost flock of disillusioned young men and guiding them toward western civilization's salvation. This thread and any you see popping up on the internet, especially founded on such weak criticism is only the beginning. The far left is afraid and does not know how to deal with this man.

>>131684026
Our species, our race.
A European who doesn't reproduce is as bad as a Jew or an Arab who pumps out children in our lands.
The "white genocide" is only possible because our youth has been brainwashed into believing that children are unnecessary.
>>131684201
How do you plan to continue our species if you don't have children?
You are just wasting ressources another could use to feed his children.
Nothing is more important than assuring our continued existence. Your enjoyment of life (your "feelz") come second of that

>>131681315
>tfw you want to be a father and have a faithful wife but know you'd be a shitty dad and could never find a good wife

I don't want to ruin the kid, plus the degeneracy. We'll see in ten years

>>131681315
If you don't, everything our ancestors did and everything we have done will be for nothing.

>>131681315
He's right, if you don't have a child you're a gigantic failure as a man.

>>131683389

Then kill yourself, it's no difference to you

Ricardo Lopez said it best
9:30
https://youtu.be/KgXo_7BGukc?t=9m31s

>>131684351
They are already gone but nice try.

>>131684384
>Our species, our race
Don't care

>A European who doesn't reproduce is as bad as a Jew or an Arab who pumps out children in our lands
According to you, the nature doesn't give a fuck (and neither do I)

>How do you plan to continue our species if you don't have children?
There are over 7 billion human beings on this rock and hundreds of thousands of people are born every fucking day. I think humans can survive without me yanking another soul from the void and dooming it to die

>You are just wasting ressources another could use to feed his children
Argument based on feels and shaming, not buying it. Maybe that parent should work harder and/or smarter so they wouldn't have to cry about my resources

>Nothing is more important than assuring our continued existence
I've already addressed this but that "nothing is more important" shit is based on nothing more than your own worldview which you've formed on sites like this. I get it, you felt useless in your life so you went looking for a purpose and now you larp as a traditional man from the 30's Nazi Germany to feel useful - but don't push that shit to others like you are a fucking Jehova's witness

>Your enjoyment of life (your "feelz") come second of that
Again, according to you

>>131685206
>There are over 7 billion human beings
>he believes we are all the same species
Lol, noice.
Keep justifying your miserable existence. It's your choice to exclude yourself from the gene pool. Good riddance.

>>131685206
>They are already gone but nice try.
no reason to lie on the internet your parents pay for, retard.

>>131684530
Spoiler alert: even if I pump out 10 kids, everything they and I ever did will be for nothing in the end. First this planet will die, then the universe. There's no "end" to this game apart from death. But yeah, nice emotional shaming, Mohammad

>>131684561
This post inspired me to donate sperm. I will thus satisfy lonely autists on a Chadian snake charming forum AND fulfill my "life's purpose". Thanks, buddy!

>>131685432
>Keep justifying your miserable existence
You realize that you are doing the same, right?

>It's your choice to exclude yourself from the gene pool
I haven't claimed otherwise, quite the contrary actually

>Good riddance
Cheers, mate! Enjoy seeing your kids get raped by Muslims while I ride my genetic lineage into the sunset by sitting on a beach somewhere with a drink in my hand and some ethnic whore on my lap

>>131681315
>Is it right to bring a baby into this terrible world
What world are you taking it from?

>>131685728
I moved out on my own when I was 18 and I'm 26 now. My dad died during that period and I haven't had any kind of contact with my mom for over 10 years so in my eyes she's already dead - and might be for real, I have no way of knowing

I pay for my internet with my own money, thank you very much

>>131685869
Non-existence.

>>131681315
the world has never been as wealthy and well of as it is today you fucking nihilistic cunt

>>131683479
temperament and cognitive traits are somewhat heritable, you shouldn't worry too much, especially if both parents share the same views

also you can't "shield" them. the only way out is through

being exposed to degeneracy can act as a vaccine.

>>131681315
It was terrible before, and still is. Your ancestors were braver.

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>>131685206
>>Our species, our race
>Don't care
Of course you don't, you're Finnish, what have you got to be proud of when your biggest contribution to the world is femboys?

>>131686590
No. They were just more stupid.

>>131686915
>anime pic
>is going to condemn his children to a life in a country where Muslims are a majority
>talking shit about others

Wew

How Is Babby Formed?

>>131684384
>Nothing is more important than assuring our continued existence. Your enjoyment of life (your "feelz") come second of that
This is making me question why must the world even exist in first place. I hope that when I die I at least get to keep my soul around to watch this shit go down in flames so I don't feel like my existance only amounted to building a future I won't ever even get to see.

>>131681315

Yes it is.

Anyone who tells you, especially if you are white, to not reproduce is perpetuating white genocide.

Rabbi Shekelworthshlom is probably paying him.

>>131687477
OK, correction then: if temperament truly is heritable, they were both.

>>131687992
>white genocide
Even if this happens, why do you care about it so much? How does it affect your life? It doesn't.

>>131687666
You should know, Satan. You should know

>>131688411
Do you only care about things that affect your own life? Genuinely curious.

>>131688857
>Do you only care about things that affect your own life?
Pretty much, yeah. The rest of the stuff is either meaningless of funny to me.

>>131689440
So, what if it affects your sisters life? Or your fathers life? What if they die because some turban-headed haji kills them while they shop in the mall?

Is that relevant enough to your well being, or are you an ironic autist larping as a human being?

>>131688411
Hmm, I wonder who could be behind this post? Just fyi you're going to lose friend. I know you can feel it. I know you're scared.

>>131686140
wow, your parents were worthless losers just like you are. maybe you not breeding is a good thing after all.

>>131681315
beta cuck white men:
>my first world life is so hard and grills don't like boipussy. to exist is to suffer. i would never put a child through my coddled, sheltered life
alpha brown men:
>kek, these beta cuck white men don't even lift or fuck their women, guess it's time to BLACK them all

So are the mods asleep or what?

>>131681315
smells like a >>>/bant/ to me

>>131689440
Kill yourself Niklas

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>>131681315

Gee, things sure are tough. Better give up on life and all future generations of my family.

Imagine if your fucking ancestors gave up because they couldn't get a fire started in their cave, or during the dark ages said "hmm sure is alot of heresy going on.. guess god doesn't want us to have kids".

Come on man.

>>131689440
Interesting. Would you say that you're an hedonist, nihilist, or just blackpilled?

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>>131690352
Never give up REEEEEE-

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>>131689743
I don't have a father or a sister.

>>131690274
>he disagrees with me and doesn't adhere to my will
>the only solution is to goad him to take his own life

Hmm.

>>131690371
Me on the right.

>>131690352
They also had kids just because sex feels good so...

>>131681315
Anon, what is a philosophy that you life your life according to?

>>131681315

Jordan Peterson is a man who bases his entire world view on his own flawed mental experiments. He basically picks a point, takes a step then keeps going without ever checking if the steps he's taking have alternate routes. Then, when he eventually arrives at a conclusion, he decides it was the only possible answer, despite the fact that was all based on his own assumptions that led him there.

In short, he's often wrong, and even when he's right his reasoning as to why is wrong.

>>131690960
If nothing in life matters, why are you worried about bringing a baby into "this terrible world"?

>>131681315
Hardly anyone knew or cared who this Peterson guy was until he appeared on Rogan's podcast with his smug discourse. Half of the things he says are pulled out of his ass and /pol/ holds everything he says as hjoly and wish they could suck his white cock.

>>131691070
I don't have one.

>>131691386
>>131682529
>>131691663
These. I recognize his value to young men today but he's often very, very wrong.

>>131691447
Because it would hurt me. If nothing matters, I might as well make my short existence as pleasurable as possible.

>inb4 just overdose on heroin then

>>131688411

Time too eat Babby's soul.

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>>131694073

>I don't have a philosophy

This is worrysome.

Try reading a book on stoicism at least

>>131694073
>Don't have a philosophy

Ok, what's your reason for keeping on living then?

>>131694754
I've read a few books about it. I also read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.

>>131695696
Do I have to have a reason?

>>131696334
I think you do. Or at least you should strive for something. How did you reach your conclusion that life has no meaning? Did you change your mind from something else?

>>131681315
People had kids when the plague was decimating populations and the mongols were rampaging through Europe. What about the current state of things in a first world country is so bad that you shouldn't procreate?

>>131694073
If you were sure that having children would bring you joy (or at least some kind of egotistical satisfaction), would you have them?

>>131694073
How does meaningless feel mate? To rephrase, how do those last moments before you manage to fall asleep at night feel?

>>131681315
Youre retarded. It is a privilege to have a nice loving family. The only reason you shouldnt bring a child into this world is if you cant raise him/her well

>not adopting a kid who looks like you
>becoming a slave to a woman who will resent you
>MUH GENES

if you both have the same color eyes and are the same race you are passing on your genes.

ADOPT

>>131681315
You know you're an idiot when you support abortion and think making a baby is wrong.

>>131681315
Jordan is right and OP is a cumguzzler

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>>131697350
>Being so afraid of women you cuck yourself

>>131697728
>bringing another soul into this fucked up world instead of saving one

>>131681315
The answer is: who gives a shit, I'll use my children as a tool to keep my genes and ideals alive.

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>>131681315
Kys cianigger

>>131696704
I just stripped everything down to pieces, put away all my beliefs and feelings and looked at this from a distance. I saw that we are just animals, playing animal games for animal prizes. I saw all the suffering in the world. I saw what the future holds, both for this planet and the entire universe. I saw that there are over 7 billion people on this planet, this planet is part of the Solar System, the Solar System is part of a galaxy called the Milky Way, there are at least 100 billion planets in the Milky Way and there are at least 100-200 billion galaxies, many of them bigger than ours. I saw the cyclical nature of civilizations. I saw how deeply embedded jewery and degeneracy are in the fabric of our societies. I saw great many things more.

Oh wait, I'll change my answer now: my life's philosophy is absurdism. There. Now I have a valid reason to live. And sure, I strive towards having fun and laughing at things.

>>131697044
I know they would bring me joy. But they would also make me terribly unhappy and the mere tragedy of existence would make them unhappy, too. Cons outweigh the pros heavily in this case.

>>131697054
I don't have any problems falling asleep. I just feel very calm. I lift weights and work so I'm usually exhausted, though.

>>131681736
dump petersonposter

>>131696869
>What about the current state of things in a first world country is so bad that you shouldn't procreate?

You are on /pol/ and you ask that in all seriousness?

>>131697703
Your children will guzzle spic cum in your lifetime so I don't know who comes ahead?

>>131697446
I didn't say I support abortion.

>>131697876
tell me about the things you saw, anon. I'm very curious as to your philosophy.

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>>131697815
>Parents give up
>Worth saving
Quality control anon. You also clearly have not read the stats on adoption, or you have shit genes that you don't think you can do better than parents who abandon their children.

You're one of those libcucks who let a pitbull mutt tear their childrens' throats out instead of buying a purebred.

>>131681315

He's a shill. I honestly dont know how people are still surprised by these things.

>>131681315
the worlds always been terrible, are you denying someone life because you don't like living? seems pretty selfish to me.

>>131698410
Not sure about that one, anon. If every child you don't have is denying life, that goes down the slippery slope real quick.

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>>131681315
>Is it right to bring a baby into this terrible world?
The world is not terrible. And every generation goes through it's issues. We need our hard times to get things back on course.

The world being terrible is a Christcuck mindset.

>>131681315
He hasn't taken the Schopenhauer pill yet. He will get there.

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>>131684368
he taught me so much i never understood

i am obsessed with dominance hierarchies and how to climb them

>>131697876
Fair enough mate. Sounds more like nihilism than absurdism to me, but whatever rocks your boat.
My advice would be to try to not lie to yourself. There's an inherent existential suffering to nihilism, and the more you deny it the more it will hit you eventually. Have a sober conversation with your conscience, see what it has to tell you about your current situation.
No bashing intended. I was exactly like you, until the weed, the alcohol, the tobacco and the friends ran out.

>>131681988
The faggot levels on the post are over 9000

>>131697876
Well, these hypothetical children have a decent chance to resemble you.
They might be able to make their short existences as pleasurable as possible.
They might even derive some kind of pleasure from witnessing the world's absurdity, and strive towards having fun and laughing at things.

>>131698232
For example, one of the arguments for having kids is that "it leaves a legacy and if you don't have kids, nobody will remember you". Then I thought about the parents of my grandparents and wow, I didn't even know their names. It's as if they never existed. Then I thought about my favorite filmmakers and artists who have been dead for years, maybe decades - I still remember their works but I don't know anything about their offspring nor do I care.

>>131698410
I'm not denying anyone anything because a child can't ask to be born - a living person has to make a SELFISH decision to have a baby.

>>131699119
Absurdism:

>In absurdist philosophy, the Absurd arises out of the fundamental disharmony between the individual's search for meaning and the meaninglessness of the universe. As beings looking for meaning in a meaningless world, humans have three ways of resolving the dilemma

>Acceptance of the Absurd: a solution in which one accepts the Absurd and continues to live in spite of it. Camus endorsed this solution, believing that by accepting the Absurd, one can achieve the greatest extent of their freedom, and that by recognizing no religious or other moral constraints and by revolting against the Absurd while simultaneously accepting it as unstoppable, one could possibly be content from the personal meaning constructed in the process

Don't know, maybe you are right.

>My advice would be to try to not lie to yourself. There's an inherent existential suffering to nihilism, and the more you deny it the more it will hit you eventually
Advice taken but that suffering, depression and the whole burden I can carry myself. But if I bring another soul to the world, I need to carry that burden as well. I'd rather be depressed because I didn't get to be a father than to be depressed because my kid got raped.

>>131699603
They also have a decent chance of becoming permanently unemployed because of automation, of becoming cock carousel-riding whores, of becoming trannies, of becoming left-wing leaning parasites and so on. They also have a decent chance of inheriting my weirdness which in these modern times would make their life even more of a hell than it made mine back in my formative years.

>>131699142
Not an argument

>>131699730
Do you think that a filmmaker's parents would think of that filmmaker as their legacy?

>>131697876
My wife and I completely agree with this anon. Decided not to have children years ago. Pretty sweet life full of joy and happiness. Procreating is not the only way to fulfillment.

>>131697876
Nihilistic rubbish

hes only talking to white people, we should make abortion illegal for whites only, planed parenthood for non-whites only, that will help with the whites becoming a minority

>>131700412
Maybe. But they are dead so they don't think anything.

>>131700815
>Procreating is not the only way to fulfillment
It is for people with no talents

>>131701526
Not an argument

>>131700013
does the universe really selects against weirdness, I wonder

if we always listened to our intellect, we'd never do anything
>We fly in airplanes every month, machines of abject terror. But through courageous examples we are able to see through our fears, and go ahead anyway, not because we want to throw our lives from the sky, but because we understand our fears are illusions, and that to not fly is to take on the greater risk of living a life unlived .

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>>131681315
I love Jordan Peterson, he has really made me take a look at myself. I'm not really sure what I'm seeing when I look at myself but it's something to do

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>>131691663
He has some good points, I dont see why the hate towards him. Is there something you forgot to do, anon?

>>131702024
What timeframe do you think is a good timeframe to see the world through?

>>131681315
yes. if you sire a lot of conservative sons they can become soldiers for the inevitable race war.

>>131681315
The world of the past was far more terrible than today's world. Epidemics alone used to kill a significant percentage of the population. Many chillruns didn't make it past early childhood. Many of today's treatable illnesses that strike people in their 30s or 40s would mean possibly decades of suffering. Etc.

>>131702661
I don't understand the question

>>131702723
You are Serbian

>>131702734
That's exactly why tragedies hit harder nowadays - because they are so rare. Imagine a world few decades from now when aging has been reversed and everyone stays young and healthy until the day they die - which might take centuries. Suddenly dying becomes extremely rare. But some people will still lose their kids and other loved ones to accidents etc. Now compare that to the times past when tragedies and death were behind every corner and you had to pump out 12 kids in the hopes that 2 or 3 of them survive to adulthood.

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>>131681315
I thought this was an excellent segment, familam. To disagree with Peterson on this point is a pleb-tier meme as he describes.

What's your point?

>>131703378
>Anonymous (ID: sgltXnaR) 06/28/17(Wed)18:52:09 No.1317

>Elven race from LOTOR becomes reality.

Life is even more precious, then? I don't understand this thread.

>>131699730
To make the art, people have to exist *to begin with.* Same argument applies to abortion. How many great artists have died in vitro?

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https://youtu.be/81zQr-zr98k
nah, I'm an asshole, but not a big enough one to sentence someone to a life of, at best, slavery, and at worst, tortuous health and poverty

>>131703378
So for example, in a large enough time frame, everything is meaningless, right? Do you see your own suffering and happiness as meaningless?

>>131703991
How many great artists have you flushed down the toilet?

>>131704057
Yes. It doesn't FEEL like it but it is.

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>>131681315
>shill detected

>>131704812
Do you see your life as suffering punctuated by happiness, or happiness punctuated by suffering, or 50/50?

>Finland
>kill self

>>131704762
Not the same thing. You're a human after conception. No 'being' exists as a hypothetical, whereas abortion kills a being in existence.

>>131705061
Suffering punctuated by happiness.

>>131705167
I'm not your stereotypical Finn. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I don't like ice hockey and I don't have suicidal thoughts.

>inb4 "NOT BREEDING IS SUICIDE"

>>131684368

wtf I love Christianity and family values now

>>131704017
why would I take advice from some fucking cringe nihilist freshman in college? Fuck that.

>>131705438
So your life is mostly suffering and your suffering is meaningless, even to you, and if you were to lessen your suffering, it would still be meaningless, why keep on going on with the suffering?

>>131698110
>You are on /pol/ and you ask that in all seriousness?
Yeah, I'm in an air conditioned house with a steady supply of food and clean water, along with defensive measures, in a society without rampaging warlords, a murderous pox, and an insanely high standard of living with a degree of comfort unimaginable to anybody in previous generations. I have a roomba for fucks sake. What about this existence is so much worse than the hardships your ancestors endured to produce you? I bet you don't provide anything other than some smug remark because you're unable to prove that living now is worse than 1000 years ago when people made as many kids as possible.

All you fags having kids into this broken society we live in are perpetuating sin. We need to break it down THEN fucking have as many kids as you can handle.

>>131705543
what's that fallacy where you ignore the message because of the medium?

oh yeah, it's called stop being such a giant nigger

>>131705765
>Update
the whole 'meaninglessness' meme is self-refuting. Why write it, if the writing's expression itself contains no meaning? It shows a humbug.

>>131705948
What do you mean?

>>131705941
>Fallacy

It's a fallacy not to want to listen to some fucking young meme-nihilist because the source is shit? That's a proper reaction to edgy faggots, actually.

>Wahhh life is pointless, KYS, TLDR

How is it possible this faggot dragged out this sentence into a million 'biases' and 'theories'. Hilarious.

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>>131681315
>eradicating humans

muh dick

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>>131681315
>being so far removed from the possibility of attracting a female and having children that you convince yourself it's a moral decision you've made

Stop being a little bitch and go have some kiddos.

>>131705279
As I said, I'm not for or against abortion.

>>131705765
>why keep on going on with the suffering?
Because suicide isn't easy. And the fear death exists at innate, psychological and philosophical levels. Surely we won't suffer anymore, but the thought of entering that state is difficult to comprehend on an emotional level for many people.

>>131706266
Not an argument

>>131706282
I'm not a nigger, sorry

>>131706051
I mean to say that at the heart of what you're saying is the nihilistic impulse which means to prove everything meaningless..but that's not possible, given it uses the very tools (i.e. language/words, and assumes them as valid, to prove their own invalidity. It's an inherent contradiction. Nihilism fails.

>>131694073
>Nothing in life matters
>It would hurt me

If it hurts you it would be because you would have to take responsibility for the kid, hence you trying to avoid it.

You DO NOT believe that nothing matters you WANT TO belive it that way and having a kid would change your lifestyle and force you to behave as a fucking adult instead of the manchild you already are.

Sort yourself the fuck out.

>>131706531
Also: there's always a risk of fucking up the suicide and ending up disabled in some way.

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>>131681315
"Think of the hubris it must take to... yank a soul out of non-existence into this... meat. To force a life into this... thresher...

>>131706266
This, so hard. The Fox and the Grapes.

>>131681315
>Taking one mans opinion as and end all be all
Is this faggot serious?

>>131706685
Pretty reductive.

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>>131706195
you know what, faggot?

it is fucking shit. Glynos is actually terrible. I haven't watched this in a long time, and I just did. It was terrible. It really doesn't make a good argument, and even if it did, it's under layers of snark. It's the same snark the BBC uses in those awful documentaries

I hate arguing AN or pessimism (it's not nihilism if the value is negative) because it devolves into a circlejerk about "subjective suffering." I think this is irrelevant as the argument should never wander too far from the human perspective, so I don't even bother anymore

I like cocks

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It's not just OK to have children -- it is our DUTY to have children.

>>131706806

t. the guardian reader.

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>>131681315
>tfw you have a nagging belief that the nihilists might be right.
>tfw you also want to keep the white race going.

Feeling torn.

>>131706820
Damn. I've never seen such a reversal on /pol in all my life. Thank you for that.

Yeah--the vid reminded me of a character from Dostoevsky's The Idiot...he basically says similar meme-kike language, and Prince Myshkin responds by saying something like 'nihilists seem to always never be reaching any real point--they're off to the side of it, somehow always.'

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>>131707319
>666 x 666
oh fuck you internet!

>>131706566
Let's say that you are correct: why would I take responsibility for a child? Why not avoid it? Why stop "being a manchild"? Why sort myself out any further? I have a job, I exercise, my blood pressure is prefect, I'm not overweight, my finances are in order, my apartment is clean... Humor me, please.

>>131706705
>even fucking amoebas can procreate
>mama, dada, looki me, me make kiddo! me special!

Jesus.

>>131707319
>tfw you're paying alimony and so can't afford hairplugs you need to escape depression.

>>131706610
>>131706531
Do you think the there's a similar innate, psychological, philosophical need for reproduction in human beings?

>>131705932
Burger gets it.

>>131707627
>Needs to feel special
>Literally a snowflake

>>131707638
Yes.

Thankfully I can cheat that need by using contraceptives.

>>131707786
Did I say that I need to feel special? No, I didn't. Read again.

>>131707781
>t. MGTOW

Fuck that kike shit.

>REEE I guess I'll just give up on life

Hahah. It's beyond lazy. Total despair.

>>131706531
>Not an argument
if you say so, incel

>omg we have it better than all the other generations, kids have it so much easier
Worrying about food and shelter isnt even that big a deal. Worrying about Zog and how even if you try to hide your kids from Zog that they will just take your kids is truly scary.

>>131708114
ZOG is basically the devil and has always been with us. What are you going to do? Kill the devil?

>>131707943
I had a bear dog once. He was completely fearless and I thought it was a good sign. Then I took him hunting with me for the first time. At one point during the hunt he saw a bear and charged at it with no restraint whatsoever. Before I could do anything, the bear used its paw to crush his head against the ground and that was that - killed him instantly.

>>131708002
You forgot "bitter", "virgin" and "faggot". So sloppy.

I'm going to bed now.

>>131707800
Would you kill yourself if there was some way to "cheat" your innate desire to live?

>>131685762
its always the scandies that are the most bitter keyboard warriors. ive never met a more hateful incel than an incel from scandinavia. what about them makes them so angry and beta?

>>131708334
si

>>131708465
cool story bro

>>131706531
>Surely we won't suffer anymore, but the thought of entering that state is difficult to comprehend on an emotional level for many people.
Let's put generalities aside. Why is it difficult for you?

>>131708563
>t. Don Quixote

>>131708465
>You forgot "bitter", "virgin" and "faggot"
damn, don't be so hard on yourself
>I'm going to bed now.
running away from the truth because it hurts? funny, Peterson talks about that

>>131708525
The invasion of their countries by savages, and the fact that they're going against all of their internal instincts in order to allow said invasion.

That's my guess anyway.

>>131708696
>>131706531
That's a great question. I'm curious as well, if you're still here.

>>131708525
The cold makes realists out of people. Can't afford to be delusional.

>>131681315
You're the faggot

>>131681315
Jordan Peterson is a leaf. So therefore fuck him

>>131691386
>>131694073
Are the both of yous jealous shrinks? Do ya'll feel envy.

>>131706552
I feel like you're a little hostile, anon.

>>131708839
Pretty cold in Siberia. Those Slavs are the most 'delusional' superstitious people I've ever met.

>>131709138
I lost something really important to me today, anon.

>>131709003
Jungian psychology is complete nonsense, anon. It's astrology tier.

I have shitty genetics that leave me with chronic physical illness, and a mental wreck. I'm also low IQ, ugly, short, and small dicked. Nobody should have my genetics.

Adoption is my only choice.

>>131681315
Genesis 1:28
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

See how easy it is if you're a christian? Now you don't have to think about all this morose shit. That's why jews want to get rid of christianity. Yes it is moral to bring a child into the world.

>>131681315
it might not be right, but to deny them that opportunity to live through it, to deny them the ability to become the impetus for change, is a far higher crime than the hurt they will experience in this world.

>>131709326
That's terrible, anon. I hope you feel better. Remember that this too shall pass.

>>131681695
Shut up CIA nigger!

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>>131681315

>This world isn't terrible
>humans are not a virus

how is this guy redpilled again?

>>131681315

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q3oyfkKiPU

>>131709227
Assuming you were responding to me, Siberia has a fertility rate that is well below replacement, so underneath the superstition they must know something.

In fact, any country in the world that has at least moderately bright people has a declining fertility rate.

Low fertility rates and high intelligence correlate directly.

>>131710337
A modicum of intelligence means nothing. Intelligence meme is 'how reasonable' one is; i.e. how likely you are to cow to jewish propaganda on (((Global Warming))) (((BLACKED.com))) (((Cuckoldry is good goy!))) (((Suicide))) etc. etc. Reason means nothing, or least it falls back on it, eventually.

>>131707277
my position is the same; suffering matters, outweighs pleasure by a large factor, and can be avoided. I just chose a bad interpreter in Glynos. This is one time I believe anecdotal evidence outweighs stats. He is right about the large-scale misrepresentation of QOL amongst self-reporters. I don't think those being asked are willingly deceptive, rather it is a defense mechanism i.e. work is never "okay," just not as bad as it could be, but worse than blowjobs

>>131711225
I won't disagree that life is suffering. But it hurts good and makes it worthwhile in comparison to the alternative: mud.

>>131711445
nah, I'd take mud over ALS, or having to shit, or wanting to fuck, or remembering that time I missed all those signals, or slipped discs and melanoma, or....

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>>131681315
Stop shilling your youtube channel here.

>>131711663
So you'd rather *be the shit* over the momentary discomfort of taking one? Talk about over-dramatic.

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>>131681893
i concur with johnny reb

The left is genuinely disturbed by Jordan Peterson. The fucker has honest to God brought a few SJW's out of their devilish programming, which is near unto impossible. Now the whole father complex thing around him is a bit odd, but still he is a competent literary critic, a brilliant psychologist, and a very astute cultural commentator.

Yes children should be born even in our evil era. In spite of the sufferings, the purpose of life is not about being really happy all the time. Through suffering we can attain joy.

>>131711965
>momentary
Antifrustrationism is more or less the point I'm trying to make. Mud and shit or whatever cute word you want to use lacks the ability to have preference. It is pointless, and as I stated earlier, we have now drifted from the realm of animalia and that is, when arguing against suffering, a shitty and useless place to be

>>131712237
Liberals can't stand it when conservatives are waaaay more learned than they are. That's usually their chief point of pride.

Sidenote: Women like to be dominated. Be confident, funny, and then fuck them.

>>131712288
>useless

what does that even mean? You could be a use to many people, and can apply yourself to whatever meaningful existence your circs will allow. How can this be denied?

>>131711007
wtf i love africans now

>>131712839
It's like you have niggers tattooed on your brain. You're obsessed.

>>131712668
not a personal thing, there is no me in this, I am very useful (unless you count the carbon I use and expel into the atmosphere being a first-worlder, and the slave labor it took make this keyboard and my... everything)

this is about beings with central nervous systems. Spend time in a rehab or hospice, and you figure out right quick that suffering has value. Better yet, develop a chronic ailment. It really isn't worth a dialysis unit full of suffering to justify my brand new Kia

I'm only here because of my programming. I only fuck because my program forces me too. Doesn't mean it's ethical, it's a drive. As an animal that exists below reason but above the food-chain, I can evaluate my choices and know that they aren't defied by reason; they fly in the face of it

>>131713284
*to, not too
*defined, not defied

>>131713284
Then your presence here is absurd, and your words redundant. Which makes me think you don't even believe what you say ...

>>131681315
I get the impression this guy lies a lot, or at least over exaggerates to fit his narrative.
His overly rabid fan base is proof enough for me; if they were to follow his advice, it's indubitable they will become extremely embittered towards the world - proof of the pudding.
Many of his followers seem to believe that by simply "cleaning their room", a woman will magically appear before them and give them a chance to procreate. Of course, this is an over simplification on how courting works in the modern real world. A lot of it boils down to attitude: where spending too much time on the internet and listening to people like Peterson is bound to harbor feelings of resentment and discontent. These feelings of resentment towards the world will, without a doubt, generalise towards the self in time (if it hasn't already.)

>>131713482
what the hell does that even mean? Of course I believe it, but if I didn't, it still stands. Without bags of wind to go back and forth on the matter, life will continue unabated. Most of that life will be filled with desire and pain punctuated by the occasional moment of respite

what is any of that worth?

>>131685206
I like you, you would be an excellent partner. I'm not even trolling.

>>131713778
Hahah, this is the exact opposite of the case. Peterson advocates for a rejection of the resentful nihilsim you speak on.

Daily reminder that the world isn't actually overpopulated.
Its underpopulated.. Underpopulated with good people and seriously overpopulated with horrible, low quality people
Please, if you think you can raise a living, breathing work of human art then please, please have a child!

>>131713778
>unironically uses the word "indubitable"

You and fagboy kill each other

>>131713866
You're actually asking me to justify your existence? Isn't that your job?

>>131713778

I think there is not as much a resentment to postmodern culture as there is a revulsion towards it. There is no bitterness there, but there is definite anger and jadedness. I never get the sense that Jordan Peterson lies, in fact I get the opposite vibe from him, that he might be a bit too blunt, the kind of fucker that is curt in their honesty. I think you sound like someone that either has not watched his videos, or is already dug into an ideological position that you will never come out of. In that case it is impossible to talk to you.

>>131690352
The human race should be purged.

>>131714173
no, I'm asking you to justify inflicting damage. Your existence hurts people, it hurts animals. All this in the pursuit of what?

>>131681315
Yes you pussy bitchboy
>he fell for the Jewish "world is too terrible to bring a world into" meme

>>131714225
Good post.

>>131681315
Are you serious????

>>131714348
>Literally states the meme Peterson BTFOs in the OP

I don't know what your purpose is, anon. I'm no God.

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>>131714400
I forgot my face when OP is a coward who wants immigrants to come live here rather than native born white children

>>131681315
Boohoo, the world is not nice. You have two choices, bitch:
>Make the world better, by raising better children than you were.
>Kys for being a defeatist, nihilist nigger.
Pick one

>>131714622
I'm not asking you to give me purpose. I'm asking you to justify your existence

>>131681901
>make an effort
>give up
Yeah, which one would the ((())) want us to do?

>>131714793
You're in no position to adjudicate.

>>131681315
>le I'll just term everything I don't like postmodernism man

>>131714813
lol, this. It's so simple. I don't think it's entirely accurate (so many goy marxists, for instance), but it's a good shorthand clue-in to the actual nature of things.

>>131681893
>what if a pixie came through your window and told you that you could turn into a donut but your mother would suffer from sever nightmares also you get a dog named steve?

thats exactly as sensible as this question.

which religion/worldview states that when you die you repeat your life verbatim?

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>>131715000
>le strawman leaf

>>131714957
you cannot even vaguely tell me why you are here, what you're here for? I'm in the same position everyone else here is in, and I can ask whatever I'd like. If you don't want to answer, then don't. However, I don't think you are able to

>>131715000
>Le

back to plebbit.

>>131715196
Yes you're right and so is Peterson. Post-modernism is a complete set of ideological beliefs with a clear political and social agenda. Thanks prof Peterson for showing me the light

>>131715213
Well yeah, because first off it's a stupid question. How can I know what the meaning of my life will be, when it's not even over or appreciated yet, at distance, by whatever audience you fancy? Are you implying people can't change for the better or worse? What kind of blank nonsense are you speaking?

>>131681901
>and you can't save them from the indoctrination they need to go through, so don't even think to meme about it.
Homeschooling is legal in USA even in cuckifornia.

>>131700013
riding a cock carousel is probably very pleasurable though. if you are all about enjoying yourself and not much else why do you care so much about "degeneracy"? isnt this degeneracy just pleasure seeking?

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>>131681315
I watched the whole version and got an impression that he's selling us that holocoast shit wrapped in good psychology and interpretations of the bible (both of which are what kikes are good at. don't get me wrong, I like both him and kikes)

>>131715526
none of the above, man

I am asking point blank: is the reward of putting others through what any reasonable, fuck, any crazy person would consider a negative state equal to or greater than any positive state you may reap from the action?

is your favorite flavor of bubblegum worth a cancer ward?

>>131681315
>>131681648
I would pay money to listen in on a psychological consultation between Peterson and Terry

>>131716155
Well you do inflate the negative side of the ledger, don't you? Cancer do so often happen at the end of what many people consider a long and satisfying life. Who are you to tell someone satisfied in this simple manner, that actually they aren't satisfied, because it all must end?

I too am against animal cruelty, but the animals--assuming they're well treated in whatever pasture they happen to live within--have no presentiment of their fate and then go and die dumb to it, like many of us if we're lucky.

I don't mean to say what you're asking here isn't profound or whatever--it certainly is, as Hamlet and so forth will attest. I, however, am not as covered by the pall of suicide ideation not to know it's warm outside today, and the women are lovely.

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>>131716825
the numbers are right where I found them. To assume the mismatch in pain v. pleasure skews for pleasure is to deny the experience of most things that have ever been and will be

on my best day, I know that whatever positive utility I think I may be, it will never be worth the pain, or even just the boredom stitched into life. All I can do is reduce my own suffering to the best of my ability, and creating a new vessel only for he or she to do the same is a waste

even if the universe can't distinguish between the two states, I can, I am afforded that choice

>>131691663
>Hardly anyone knew or cared who this Peterson guy was until he appeared on Rogan's podcast
He was put on Rogan's podcast because everyone was talking about him, not vice versa.

>>131716105
It's next level chess. Look at all the books he recommends. All redpilled on the JQ. Dostoevsky, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and so on.

>>131717755
Well that's free-will for you. But it doesn't constrain me in mine.