1 MILLION PEOPLE DEAD IN AUSCHWITZ

1 BILLION PEOPLE DEAD IN AUSCHWITZ

>>131651246

If the germans were so evil and focused on efficiency, so much so that they used jew fat to make soaps, jew skin to make lampshades, jew hair to make threads, and so on, how come they didn't just make some McJew to nourish their soldiers, instead of letting all that meat go to waste?

>>131652560
1. Human soaps weren't manufactured on a massive scale, but locally in one camp, for a test.
2. There were no human lampshades, no threads, etc.

>>131651246
>1000 bodies a day
How would they even get that many Jews to kill? You're telling me that Auschwitz alone held at least 1000 prisoners on any given day, which were then processed, gassed with Zyklon B, then incinerated and replaced with new prisoners?

>>131651246
What happened to the other 5 millions?

OY VEY
Triple the international aid to Israel! We have to prevent this from happening again!

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>>131653364
That's how big it was. It was crowded, and the people were small. Also 850 thousand of the 1.1 million died right after showing up.

>>131652856

Actually there were no soaps but this doesn't answer my question

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(((6 millions)))

>>131652856
How the hell do you even make soap out of human bodies???

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>>131653852
>>131653774
A soap is (was) basically fat.

>>131653756
Why are you showing me Birkenau while talking about Auschwitz?

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>>131654326
Oh my god

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>muh 6 Gorillion
Sage goes in all fields

>>131653852
out of human fat probably

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Oy vey!

>>131654948
everything is in the screenshot bby, stop posting past questions when you already have an answer!
also wtf auschwitz wasn't a death camp for 1800 days. more like around 1000.

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>>131655197
hehe, here is the debunk

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>>131655248
KYS nigger

>>131651246
>only with German engineering

>>131654515
Oh I see. Forgive me for making errors like that. I'm not very familiar with Holocaust arguments. I'd never head the phrase "Auschwitz-Birkenau" before.

>>131655248
Okay, let's say it was 1000 days. thats almost half of 1800. So 54 tonnes of coal/day.
Still a fuckton.

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holocoaster real

>>131655662
not all jews were killed in auschwitz
not all corpses were cremated

>>131655662
Read. The fucking. Screenshot.

>the amount of coal needed for Auschwitz to burn over a million of people - 33,000 tons. That's pretty much nothing - just in the beehive ovens in the Pittsburgh area in the United States, from 1870 to 1905, they produced 18 MILLION tons of coal. We can safely assume that the total coal production of Germany was several million tons a year too, then. With this data, 33,000 tons is not even a few percent of the total amount of coal. All of the fuel came from the surrounding mines, and that wasn't any difficult at all - Auschwitz was placed in Silesia. There were also open-air fire pits where Jews were burned.

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>>131655857
>not all jews were killed in auschwitz
How does that change anything?
>not all corpses were cremated
Yeah because leaving the entire body takes less space than the ash (which both were never found by the way)

>>131655958
Everything is in the screenshot. Again.
Stop with your bullshit images. They don't work now.

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>>131656097
>>131656251
And you read mine, which uses actual math and not just shit found on jew sites

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>>131656120

>>131653756
So anyway, how could such a thing even be possible? They transported and managed more than 1 million people over the course of 5 years? They did that while simultaneously transporting 5 million other people to other concentration camps? How hard would the railroads have to be working for that?

>>131656337
>my math is better than yours because it's mine
>also i'm 12 years old and what are faccs

>>131656120
>How does that change anything?
the supposed 6 million figure is throughout germany, not just auschwitz

>>131653852
Have you ever watched Fight Club?

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>>131651246
>3 crematoriums
>50 ovens
Kek

>>131656821
There were approximately 52 ovens fully working in general. What's your problem?

>>131656540
Not because it's mine, but because it's from non-biased sites.
Of course, if you go on begoodgoy.com/6gorrillion.com it'll be biased.
Also, why are you using blm flag? :(

>>131648740

>>131656540
>responding to a gypsy troll who's spamming long debunked claims
ishyddt. below are some links to help you read through deniers blatant lies and stupidity.

http://imgur.com/kYpT54p
http://imgur.com/yGEJKEJ
http://imgur.com/jSj3fsf
http://imgur.com/kwncgfG
http://imgur.com/d09KvVO
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http://imgur.com/1ofE7ar

https://siraaronrichards.imgur.com/

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fuck off kike parading as a nigger

>>131657264
>Gadsden flag spreading bluepills
Reminder that the JIDF uses exceptionally meme flags and ancap / lolbertarian flags

>>131653963

There's no evidence for the soaps, it's been shown to be a hoax

still not answering the question

>>131656992
>if you go on a holocaust denier site, it'll be biased

>>131657700
first, what question
and second, how has it been disproven

>>131657356
>>131657426
arguments hurt much?

>>131651246
The numbers are greatly exaggerated and the truth is most of them would have lived had the Allies not cut off the supply lines to the labor camps.

>>131652560
you get Kuru if you eat humans bro

>>131651872
1 TRILLION PEOPLE DEAD IN AUSCHWITZ

>>131658187
there would be no need for jews to die if nazis didnt put them in the camps in the first place?

>>131658040
But it's not from a holocaust denier website?

>>131658370
They bought the ticket and took the ride.

The US did the exact same thing to the japs.

>>131658673
>They bought the ticket
You mean figuratively?

>>131658607
Read the screenshot you fucking gypsy.
It took from 30 to 60 minutes to burn a body. It takes 1,5-2h now because there's also a coffin inside and everything is perfectly done. Back then they just didn't care, they threw the bodies, sealed it, and burned it. Also 2-4 people fit in one muzzle.

>>131658187
Except 900 thousand Jews died the day they arrived at Auschwitz.

>>131653364
The non-fit prisoners (women, children, elderly) going to Auschwitz would not stay in the camp very long: on arrival, they were usually sent straight to the gas chambers. Same for fit men if there were no vacancies.

Zyklon B (a fumigant) was used for gassing. Being a fumigant often used in tight spaces, it had the excellent property of killing relatively quickly while not leaving much dangerous residue.

They had specially adapted agricultural carcass incineration ovens (as opposed to modern cremation ovens). The type of ovens meant to quickly dispose of diseased cows, pigs, et cetera during plagues.

>>131658040

There is no evidence for the soaps you fuckwad, you can't just say they made soaps and provide 0 evidence for it. There is more evidence for hairs than for soaps. And answer the question you fuckface

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>>131658931
Then why can't we find the ashes or the mass graves?
Also how the fuck do 4 people fit in this?

>>131659101
So how were they transporting that many people? They moved at least 5 million people from the ghettos into the concentration camps in Poland over the course of 5 years? That would be like moving double the population of Chicago to Springfield.

The damage control ITT is interesting. Hello JIDF.

>>131659771
JIDF using meme flags to hide the kikery

>>131659340
On the second question: you may not believe it, but the Allies at the time didn't like the Jews either, so at that time what had happened to the Jews was just a footnote.

>>131659682
>So how were they transporting that many people?
A lot of them were transported in railway cars. Not passenger trains, but typically cattle cars or empty cargo cars. Especially until 1943-1944, the areas where the main railway transports ran were out of reach of Allied bombers. Occasionally, they also used river barges, which is where my grandfather worked (though that was a different type of prisoner - mostly political prisoners and prisoners of war).

>>131659995
Well, duh. Nobody fucking likes the kikes.

>>131659995
Well yeah but how heavy was the burden on their railways?

>>131651246
> They killed gorillions of Germunz in 1939 and Hitler WUZ FURZED TO start Ww2
> No jew ever died in Nazi Germany, in fact after they were done there were 2mil jews more in Europe
Something doesn't add up.

>>131651246
upper image in OP shows reprisal site of "Babij Yar" not Auschwitz. Also in that image there's just clothing from hostages to be executed as retribution for communist partisans setting Kiev city centre on fire, killing 3,000 innocent Ukrainian citizens.

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>>131656097
>Read. The fucking. Screenshot.


>screenshot
you are an idiot
these figures have been reported, analysed, or confirmed NOWHERE else, but your pea size brain.

where is any calculation of the energy, machinery, and manpower that it would take to produce and transport this "coal" to Auschwitz, where are the photos of all this production happening, in the MIDDLE OF A TWO FRONT WAR.
don't bother to answer, it was rhetorical, and anyway I am not wasting any more time in such a stupid discussion.
adios, shlomlo

>>131656394
>How hard would the railroads have to be working for that?

Not much at all. One train wagon was enough to fit 100 Jews. So transporting one million requires only 10k train wagons. One train with 10 wagons that needs a day to do a roundabout trip would require three years.

Transportation was absolutely not the chokepoint.

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>>131659168
Everything is in the screenshot. I will not reply anymore if it's in the screenshot.

>>131659130
What question?

>>131659340
I'm not gonna answer all of them because I'm too lazy, but regarding all the "luxuries" in Auschwitz like swimming pools etc. - these were for guards and privileged prisoners. Period.

>>131659405
the fake photos were made by deniers. false flag!

also you can't detect any differences on a photo of such low quality, from 70 years ago

>>131659771
PIC RELATED

>>131660131
What is so difficult with this matter? Deportations always happened and it has never been as much of a problem as you want it to be. Now you aren't arguing this because of "lack" of evidence, but because of personal views.

>>131660630
No one ever denied it wasn't from Babi Yar. Read the two last lines and HMU if you find anything about Auschwitz, and not just Holocaust overall.

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>>131651246
why'd you remove the date? probably because we had this same bullshit JUST THE OTHER DAY YOU FUCKING NIGGER

>>131660910

>spend 5 replies dodging the question

saged, i'm out show your flag so others can laugh

It doesn't really matter how many died there. Whatever the number, it was 15.2 million less than optimal.

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>>131660989
The pic was posted here yesterday.

>>131660829
This anon did the math, apparently.

>>131660811
LMAO, even your beloved Irving calculated you needed 30 kg of coal to burn a body. Faggot!

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>>131659168
>Then why can't we find the ashes

Ashes were being used as fertilizer, the rest was dumped in the Wisła river.
Not much remains after burning, about 3kg per adult body.

>Also how the fuck do 4 people fit in this?

You know they were starving right?

>>131660910
You're right it wasn't an argument nor was it intended to be taken as one. It was an observation. But your butthurt over being called a shill speaks volumes.
How about this for a quasi-argument. Explain the census problem. And you have to know what that is, claiming you don't means you can't explain it.

>>131661493
Stop. It's all in the screenshots. Literally.

>2 stacks of 2 people arranged horizontally alongside the trolley

>>131661428

>>131651246
>2017
>Still believing in fairytales

>>131661495
Well, that's rather an argument against you. 1933 census - Jewish population in Europe was 9.5 million. 1950 - it dropped to 3.5 million.
It adds up. There were 3.3 million Jews in Poland. After the war there was just 100 thousand of them. Where have they disappeared? Into air?

>>131652856
>2. There were no human lampshades, no threads, etc.
Family memebers of me (ss) had a lampshades made of humanskin. I don't know if the skin came from jews or pow but these things existed

>>131660131
The Germans had it planned out.

There existed a network of so-called transit camps, where prisoners of all kinds would be gathered and pre-sorted. Then different, long cargo trains would set out with thousands of prisoners headed for either work camps or destruction camps.

>>131651246
Why are we talking about this now? Why is this important?

>>131661924
Lol eat shit fucking kike.

>>131651246

I've been to Auschwitz and I can assure you there were't 50 ovens - where does that number even come from!?

>>131658294
...Hillary has the onset of the terminal stage of Kuru

>>131651246
> /leftypol/ or Cia cucks are flooding /pol again with Kike Propaganda and disinformation.

The HOLOHOAX WAS A BIG FUCKING LIE ALRIGHT YOU FILTHY HOOKED NOSED SATANIC RATS.
No Kikes died in the Gas Chambers, you Holohoax has been proven to be fake countless and countless times again and again.
You are seeing that Whites are waking up from this White Guilt and they are learning that Hitler and NatSoc were the only thing that did something to stop you filthy kahzarian mongrels and your evil N.W.O

>>131654948
The main error in that calculation is for average weight and hence time. Emaciated bodies are much easier to burn.

The result is funny however. So he arrives at 108 tonnes of coal per day, and that's supposed to prove what?... That's less two coal wagons, one wagon is enough for about 70 tonnes. That's NOTHING.

Some people's brain appear to short-circuit when they try to imagine the numbers involved in industry.

>>131662635
put your tinfoil hat back on, we're goin on a ride
no crime has ever been better documented than holocaust. but this is not the topic now. the topic now is auschwitz. debunk auschwitz. first read the screenshot, though.

seriously, 85 replies and no one can debunk it?

>>131651246
>if we apply these made up and untrue parameters that have no basis in physical reality to some milkmaid formula spicked with functions that have no basis in physical reality and are just Holocaust truther myths, our calculation (((coincidentally))) arrives at our desired result.

>>131662401
They were not in service/built simultanously. They also broke sometimes down and required repair.

>>131658310
1 GORILLION PEOPLE DEAD IN AUSCHWITZ

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>>131660910
show your flag frenchy

>>131660910
> muh holocaust know no location
The reprisal of Babij Yar has a forgoing story to it.
As I hinted already, soviet partisans laid waste to Kiev in September 1941 when 6th Army captured the city. 3,000 civilians died, 50,000 w/o shelter. The entire city centre burnt to the ground and with it the rear echelon HQ of 6th Army.
Since this was the first major terrorist act ever to be witnessed in WW II, AOK 6 ordered a swift and stern reprisal. The common ratio of retaliation in form of executions of captured partisans and/or hostages was 10:1.
After ordering SD Sonderkdo. 4a Einsatzgruppen to conduct such reprisal, Ukranian auxhilary-militia was commandeered to gather hostages in said ratio.
The completion order of the reprisal reports about 33,000 executed hostages "most of them Jews".
Who do you think settled "settled old business" from 1922-1941 with this cruel act?
Do you remember a term called "Holodomor"?
Ukranians had quite an axe to grind with Soviet colaborators, ethnic Russians and Jews.
The reprisal of Babij Yar cannot be meshed in with the fucking "muh Holocaust" narrative.
Not a single action in the merciless partisan war behind the front can be mixed in with that narrative.
If you take these things out of the equation and look at them as wartime actions -- as they should be -- not that much is left that would support the Holocaust narrative.

>>131662763
it would be retarded to attempt the burning of that volume of remains in crematoria
they would necessarily need to be burned in pits

>>131656386
(((fresh estimate)))

>>131663019
This.

>>131651246
When are going to talking about the current massacres instead of beating a dead horse?

Oh right! Because you're a nigger. You still live in the past.

>>131653623
>Triple
Oy Vey you anti-semite! It needs to be double triple quadruple quintuple sextupled!

>>131660829
We're talking about 5 million at least, though, not 1 million. So that would be 50,000 train wagons, so five trains each transporting 1000 people from the ghettos to the concentration camps each day for three years. The reason that I'm asking is because I'm having trouble picturing what that would look like. 5 million people would be equivalent to twice the population of Chicago. Were the ghettos ghost towns by the end of it? And do you happen to have a map of WW2 German railways so that I can visualize it better?

>>131660910
I'm not arguing at all, actually. Questions without contentions of fact aren't arguments.

I hate Hitler. I cannot fathom how anyone could defend this deranged lunatic. He and his brownshirts savagely burnt my grandparents publishing firm to the ground, with the employees still inside!
My poor grandparents, Avi and Sara Sphinktorlikur were shipped to the camp Eichenwald to be gassed. They did nothing wrong, they were devoted to thier work, a small childrens modelling magazine, very popular with other jews in Berlin in 1930's. They went to the synagogue every saturday, and always gave money to jewish charities.
Only my poor aunt, Jizzabel Shikulgraaber survived, she hid in belgium, almost made it to the end of the war. One fateful day however poor little Jizzabel was playing in fields of wheat, when she saw the panzers coming. they were retreating from allied forces, though she did not know this. She hid in an outhouse near the road, and thus her fate was sealed. For as the tanks and trucks passed, many soldiers would stop to take a dump, and little Jizzabel was buried alive in nazi turds.

I never learned the fate of my poor Bubbe and Avi, but stories that surfaced of Camp Eichenwald were horrifying. It was equipped with some kind of mechanical octopuss rape machine nazis used on jews prior to gassing.

FUCKEN NAZIS

>>131651246
WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT IT WAS 6MILLION

>>131661873
What's the source on that? Oh, and also, this: >>131539392
And this:
http://archive.is/aBJg8

>>131662003
Why were there work camps, anyway? Why not just have all of them be death camps? If they were killing 1000 people per day in Auschwitz alone then it doesn't seem like labor was an issue.

>>131662763
>better documented
every document refers to evacuation. I bet you disavow pizzagate so there is one problem.

Two, you have not addressed any of the physics of gassing.

Three, cite war reports that show smoke from cremation coming from any of the sites

Four, gas chamberdoor.jpg

Five, coffins burn faster than bodies

Six, where is the holocoaster?

Seven, why did the germans spend fuel they could have used to win the Battle of the Bulge on shipping jews across the country.

K, kike. We believe you.

>>131663019
point what is wrong, then we can talk

>>131663194
yeah, the one on this pic surely depicts a prime example of a soviet uniform

>>131663262
there were also tons of people burned in open-air fire pits

>>131663587
international red cross has never inspected auschwitz or any other camp during the war

>>131663768
the jewish yearbook if i recall correctly

>>131664001
oh, and let us all consider for a moment how ridiculous of an idea it is that if 6 million jews were killed and no one considered the implications in an almanac published 4 years later.

>>131664128
Or the fact that Jews call themselves "God's Chosen"

>>131664064
zyklon b doesn't activate below 20deg C. Your chimney was built after the war.

>there were also tons of people burned in open-air fire pits

YET NO ALLIED PHOTOS!?!?!?!?!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>international red cross has never inspected auschwitz or any other camp during the war

>https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007463

now fucking KYS nigger

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>>131656627
Ancient peoples found that their clothes got cleaner when they washed them at a certain point in the river. Do you know why?

Because human sacrifices were once made on the hills above this river. Bodies burned, water seeped through the wood and ashes to create lye, the crucial ingredient. Once it mixed with the melted fat of the bodies, a thick white soapy discharge crept into the river.

The first soap was made from the ashes of heroes, like the first monkey shot into space.

Without pain, without sacrifice we would have nothing. Can I see your hand please?

>>131664064
>jewish yearbook
C'mon man, really?
DROPPED

>>131664297
don't feed this kike excuses. stick to pertinent facts. zhe can't win.

>>131661873
In this post (>>131656386) you cite a statement on wikipedia claiming that the World Almanac was significantly wrong because it was an "old estimate". Why would the census be so much better?

>>131651246
>1 MILLION
>NOT 6
DELETE THIS

>>131651246
I see two problems with some of your numbers.
You cannot just create a pile of people and say it will burn in the same time 1 individual will burn. If you want to add more people and have them burn in the same time, you need to add more ovens.

Someone who dies of thirst has like 95% of the water of someone at full hydration. If we call 2h as the burn time for an average person, to get that down to 25 minutes we need to bring down their mass to about 1/4. Meaning you would need to bring them to about 40lbs.

Sure, maybe people starved for years would burn in half the time, but 25 minutes does not pass the sniff test.

http://archive.is/aBJg8
http://archive.is/aBJg8
http://archive.is/aBJg8

>>131663697
One million dead is nothing compared to the horrors of Camp Eichenwald.

you should do some real research anon.

Camp eichenwald was a top secret experimental Nazi death camp, built underground. It continued operating even after the end of the war! Some beleive it may have operated until 1968. Some jews believe it may even be still operating today!!!!

Camp eichenwald is where the nazi medical experiments were conducted, changing boys into girls, hormone injections, sterilizations, killing fetuses, not too mention the octupuss rape machines.

Fucken nazis.
They are just sick.

>>131651246
QED faggot. Walk the fuck away.

>>131664322
yeah, it doesn't. and what?
also, from your very OWN link:
>Succumbing to pressure following the deportation of Danish Jews to Theresienstadt, the Germans permitted representatives from the Danish Red Cross and the International Red Cross to visit in June 1944. It was all an elaborate hoax. The Germans intensified deportations from the ghetto shortly before the visit, and the ghetto itself was "beautified." Gardens were planted, houses painted, and barracks renovated. The Nazis staged social and cultural events for the visiting dignitaries. Once the visit was over, the Germans resumed deportations from Theresienstadt, which did not end until October 1944.
LMAO

>>131664376
and who else do you want to make a census for jews other than jews themselves faggot? brits make censuses for brits, americans for americans, germans for germans.

>>131664427
and old estimate based around pre-war data

>>131664506
here
>>131658931

>>131664698
gish gallop
also
>studied Computer Science & Anthropolgy
pffthahaha

>>131664737
>changing boys into girls, hormone injections, sterilizations, killing fetuses
So, basically the things pushed by the Frankfort School cultural marxism critical theory shit, subjugating our culture through degeneracy and eugenics, is really just revenge? Huh.

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>>131663688
go back to tumblr leaf

>>131665093
>>Succumbing to pressure following the deportation of Danish Jews to Theresienstadt, the Germans permitted representatives from the Danish Red Cross and the International Red Cross to visit in June 1944. It was all an elaborate hoax. The Germans intensified deportations from the ghetto shortly before the visit, and the ghetto itself was "beautified." Gardens were planted, houses painted, and barracks renovated. The Nazis staged social and cultural events for the visiting dignitaries. Once the visit was over, the Germans resumed deportations from Theresienstadt, which did not end until October 1944.
this sounds like an am nam shamlam movie twist

>>131664496
its ten million if you know about camp eichewald
possibly higher.

The Nazis were extremely subversive.
They had infiltrated Israel prior to WW1 and were involved in all manner of degeneracies, including even pedo stuff. they openly promoted this stuff jews poisoning thier minds. Also nazis would work themselves into positions of authority, like judges, cops, professors and promote degeneracy designed to destroy jewish religious life.
Not too mention how nazis were deeply involved in banking, and even got other nations to attack Israel.

FUCKEN nazis had it coming y'all.

>>131665093
>brits make censuses for brits, americans for americans, germans for germans
Brits: Country
Americans: Country
Germans: Country
Jews: Not a Country

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>>131656120

>>131665093
>>Succumbing to pressure following the deportation of Danish Jews to Theresienstadt, the Germans permitted representatives from the Danish Red Cross and the International Red Cross to visit in June 1944. It was all an elaborate hoax. The Germans intensified deportations from the ghetto shortly before the visit, and the ghetto itself was "beautified." Gardens were planted, houses painted, and barracks renovated. The Nazis staged social and cultural events for the visiting dignitaries. Once the visit was over, the Germans resumed deportations from Theresienstadt, which did not end until October 1944.

yea obviously a source from the holocaust museum will support your narrative chief. You just gonna ignore your oversight?

>and who else do you want to make a census for jews other than jews themselves faggot? brits make censuses for brits, americans for americans, germans for germans.

nothing would go over your head, you would catch it.

>and old estimate based around pre-war data

>pre war estimate after 30% of population dies

>with these numbers, more jews born during war than died by 60000000 fold.

K.

>studied Computer Science & Anthropolgy

not everyone likes flipping burgers with your liberal arts degree nigger kike. you mad black lives don't matter cause theyre subhuman?

Aushwitz? You mean the Polish death camp in Oswiecim?

>>131665093
>gish gallop
>also
>>studied Computer Science & Anthropolgy
>pffthahaha
I'm going to assume, like my first comment, that this was an observation rather than an argument, because as an argument it's pretty shitty.
Read the article. No, seriously. Read it. Then fuck off with your bullshit.

As a side not, never in my life (until recently) did I think I would be a holocaust denier. But once I was shown all this shit here, I can't not give credence to the likelihood that it was indeed a bunch of bullshit. I will always keep an open mind, and my open mind has steered me in this direction.

>>131665414
brits: a nation
jews: also a nation

????????

>>131666079
>yea obviously a source from the holocaust museum will support your narrative chief
you posted the link yourself you massive faggot

>not everyone likes flipping burgers with your liberal arts degree nigger kike
Don't get me wrong dude - but he hardly seems like a professional.

>>131666096
Yeah, well, since you (plural) can't disprove any of the points that were made in the screenshot, and you post unrelated, general articles instead, then what image does this make of you?

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>>131665093
it worse then that

go to a modern crematorium
it takes 3 to 4 hours to burn a normal body

WITH A GAS FIRED, COMPUTER CONTROLLED, INSULATED, MODERN CREMA OVEN

but nazis could do 2 bodies in 25 minutes

man they had some very advanced technology in 1940's ...... like a fucken time machine

technology that defies the laws of thermodynamics!

but oh vey, the nazis were bad so white people should just all commit cultural and genetic suicide
a suicide orchestrated primarily by jews, who occupy positions in our judiciary, government, academia and media at ridiculous levels in proportion to thier % of our population and actively push degeneracy of every imaginable nature

>>131666096
You literally got convinced by 4chan memes
You're a stupid son of a bitch, you know that ?
Flat earthers are waiting for you with open arms

>>131666689
>it takes 3 to 4 hours to burn a normal body
haha, if you include heating it up and cooling it down, maybe. it takes from 1,5 to 2h

>but nazis could do 2 bodies in 25 minutes
haven't said that
they could do 2-4 bodies in 50 minutes though :3

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>>131664322
> Grandfather was a German Soldier
> Grandfather drove officials to the concentration camps
> Grandfather saw the mass open air pits
> Checkmate

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show us your geographic location

My grandfather was an officer in the Army during WW2, I have all his journals he kept while over there. There is zero mention of the holocaust anywhere in there. Just a bunch of people, including Germans, starving to death, or diseased.

>>131666743
The information existed long before 4 chan.
You think I found this place. Maybe this place found me.

The whole debate is academic anyway. Whether holocaust did or did not occur, how many died is immaterial.

None of it excuses jewish promotion of cultural and genetic suicide in white nations, which under any legal system on the planet is illegal (its called genocide).
Moreover, as far as I am concerned, its is morally acceptable for those who are facing a genocide to atttack thier murderers by any means availible, the right of self defence.

So go fuck yourself jew.

Whether the holohoax is real or not, you apperently didnt learn from it. The backlash will come, its happened hundreds of other times.

When you bite the hand that feeds you, you invariably learn about the boot that can stomp you!

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>>131667313
>my grandfather
>accurate source and evidence

>>131666638
>brits: a nation
>jews: also a nation
What's not to understand? Jews aren't a fucking country, they're a culture/race that mostly inhabits other countries. Countries do censuses, for their Country, because that is their domain. Jews didn't have a domain then. And even now, Israel has no business doing a census in other countries.

>Yeah, well, since you (plural) can't disprove any of the points that were made in the screenshot, and you post unrelated, general articles instead, then what image does this make of you?
It makes me someone who doesn't dedicate my life to shilling for a dying hoax. I'll go through your shill shit when I have time. Right now I'm just replying with what I currently know.

>>131666743
Yea, insulting me isn't going to change my mind faggot, nor will it keep me from responding to this shit. It also shows your true colors, so keep going with your ad hominem bullshit.

>>131667666
>A census is the procedure of systematically acquiring and recording information about the members of a given population.
Are Jews a population? Yes.

>>131667814
I think you have to be human to be counted by the census

>>131667313
My grandfather was a whole WW2 and he saw like 10 holocausts.

>141 posts
>still no one posted a reasonable counter argument
lmao, and this is /pol/? this is the center of holocaust denying?

>>131667493
Not a jew
Also, stop writing like you are the hero of a film noir, you're just a schizo idiot who lost all sense of purpose and ended up joining an ideology of societal dregs, nothing romantic about that
At least you concede your arguments fade out in the face of evidence and convienently move the goalposts to complain about the instrumentalization of the holocaust in today's political scene which is valide point, until you proceed to shoot yourself in the foot by equating nepotism and cultural hijacking with genocide. Complaining about something only to blow it out of proportion without offering a concrete, practical solution to the problem only makes you a bitch, and those don't get any respect, ever, from anyone

>>131667814
>Are Jews a population? Yes.
So are niggers, but you don't see a nigger almanac counting how many niggers there are in every country, you see countries counting how many niggers there are in their own respective countries.
But really my beef with your argument is that it was done by the very people who claim the holocaust existed, therefore isn't really all that credible to prove it.

>>131668374
>So are niggers, but you don't see a nigger almanac counting how many niggers there are in every country
Because for niggers to organize a census of their own, they would have to organize something. Niggers and organization lmfao

>>131652856

How about shrunken heads that were testified at Nuremberg?

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wait you guys actually believe the holocaust didn't happen?

I thought you were all just memeing, I played along

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>>131667522
Both of my grandfathers landed on beaches of Normandy (JUNO).
Both fought all the way into Germany.
Both saw POW camps, and Prisons (concentration camps), neither saw a "death camp" or any evidence to suggest that such an "extermination facility" existed.
Is this anectdotal? Yes.
Both questioned the veracity of jewish claims until the day they died.

Moreover, Churchill, Patton, Eisenhower, and Montogomery all wrote and published thier memoirs and journals from the war years. All four would surely have been privy to knowledge of any such operation.
Not one single mention, not one.
Really, the death camps are real, but Churchill didnt know about them. Eisenhower wasn't aware of them either.

Funny how no one knew a thing about them until late 50's early sixties.

that seems kinda odd. You'd think if such camps were being discovered these men would have been quick to tell the whole world about it.

>>131667666
I'm not insulting you to make an argument as you seem to imply, I'm just insulting you as a public service on this forum to underline who pathetic it is an adult, supposedly grown man basically dumbs himself down on purpose without a shred of critical thought
Great life choices buddy, dying alone is the next and only step

>>131668507
>Because for niggers to organize a census of their own, they would have to organize something. Niggers and organization lmfao
>Checks flag
Yes, lmfao indeed.
You and your friend the french roastie talk a good game, I'll give you that. But you're not convincing anyone here.

>>131651246
>ppl
kill yourself nigger

>>131668897
there were no deathcamps in germany

>>131663104
666 GORILLION PEOPLE DEAD IN AUSCHWITZ

>>131668952
the flag is just for teh lulz moron

>>131668908
You're not underlining a damn thing other than your inability to contribute anything of value other than well worded social shaming, the weapon of choice for bitter women.

>>131668897
Fuck you and fuck your grandfathers

>>131669213
hence the lmfao faggot. How about you post with geographic location? You know, for teh lulz...

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>>131668889
well concentration camps were real
it was the second world war ... lots of people were dying

but the question is: Did Nazi German government have SYSTEMIC method of deliberate murder of jews.
No real evidence has ever been provided to prove this claim.

the whole idea that nazis on 4chan should have to prove that it DIDNT occur is ridiculous on its face

as always, it is not incumbent on one who denies a claim to disprove the claim, it is incumbant upon whomever makes a claim to establish the truth of that claim

I continue to wait for BONAFIDE evidence that Nazi German government had a SYSTEMIC method for genociding jews

>>131669184
this

>>131651246
I thought it was 6 gorillan

>>131669741
go back to africa
where you belong

>>131669936
>>131651246

>>131669213
>lulz
>>>/b/

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>>131669936
It happened anon

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>>131669936
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>>131669936
>>131670247
>>131670351

>>131668897
They knew, they literally had pictures >>131653756
Explain that
>>131669347
Your inability to figure out someone's gender by their writing style shows again you should probably do something more suited to your cognitive abilities, like mixing concrete or sucking dicks
It's like life is a race to the bottom with you people, and the winner gets to be an autistic loudmouth who is literally unable to figure out reality and proudly boasting about it
What's up with the women stuff all of a sudden ? You're a divorced loser ? An unmarried childless worthless piece of shit ? Enlighten us

>>131657264
..I....I think this post might have convinced me......

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Are these faggots plan to just keep posting ideas of lost to history burning techniques, explaining colored smoke, 20m pile ashes, ignoring allies showing German civilians south American shrunken heads and sheep skin lamps etc? Why are you shills so fucking retarded? JIDF?

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>>131664369

>>131670247
>>131670351

Died of starvation and typhus. Do you really think Germany in a state of complete ruins had the means to maintain these camps? It's always portrayed as systemic murder through gas chambers and execution, but every single last photograph shows starving people. This happens to prison camps of every losing army in history. It didn't happen.

>>131670554
Why I did mix concrete a few days ago while renovating my front yard, with my wife, after coming home from my highly technical job that pays me a nice 6 figures. I like to do things around the house, like build and fix things. I also do carpentry and electrical work. Never sucked a dick though.
Your eloquent and loquacious insults are impressive, but in the grand scheme of things, pretty worthless. I hope you have other talents.

>>131670189
Witold's report was not known about until 1989, over fifty years after what he was claiming. Long after anyone could establish what he said was true or not.
It was not even published until 2000.
All of his so called witnesses in ZOW were also jews.

There are rules about "evidence" for a reason.

If thats your best "evidence" then this discussion (slide thread) is over.

Witold's report debunked on basis of long after the fact claims made supposedly by a man dead for over 30 years.

Where are the claims made by people who were there and IMMEDIATLY reported what they found. Even within five years!

100 million people died, its not hard to come up with photos of mass graves and burials from WW2. How can anyone know the people pictured are even jews.
And all the mass grave photos prove is a whole lot of killin was going on.

So again, please provide PROOF of your claim.

you'll have to do better then "Witold's Report"

>>131651246
nice try shlomo

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>>131657264
>When a denier this, when a denier that

Accept the 6 gorillion blindly goyim. They weren't just work camps or camps like the japanese ohh no. Also the western camps were concentration camps but the soviet controlled camps were the real death camps!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Florstedt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Otto_Koch#Prosecution_and_death


http://www.ripleys.com/weird-news/shrunken-heads-nazis-nuremberg/

Video of the allies showing germans the fake shit that even the Jewish library says is an "unfortunate rumor" (but fails to mention this shit being spread to increase German guilt)
https://youtu.be/NMLXpNtPsp8

>>131661493

How the fuck were they starving if they were gassed the moment they were brought to the camps like the jews like to say?

Just admit you're lying like a good jew should.

>>131671894
t. blue-collar celibate poorfag
I guess taking fantasy ideas too seriously leads people to create fantasy lives
Believe harder, the incoming 4th reich will surely pull you out of being a societal reject

>>131661493
>You know they were starving right?

Yeah, that's how they died. That and the spread of diseases.

>>131670351
Nice forgeries, lmao.

https://nodisinfo.com/zionists-holocaust-cremation-deaths-ohio-train-wreck-images/

>>131651246
It's funny, I got into an argument with somebody the other day. They said that I was claiming all the Holocaust deaths came from supply lines and all that, even though I wasn't. He asked me to provide an independent source report excavating the sites I claim they died to see if my claim is valid.

I asked him the same about the millions for his assertion, and he just doubled-down on the strawman.

The reality is that the Holocaust is an estimation taken to be absolute truth. If you cannot cite mass graves amounting to thousands scattered across Europe (as the Germans did not destroy all the bodies; even 90% assumes over one million) or any report exhuming the dead to see if they are even Jewish or not, then you have no physical evidence for the claim. If there is no evidence, one cannot take a position either way. You are obligated by your own rational being to refrain from making any statements on a claim that cannot be replicated or shown to exist in the physical world. One does not believe conspiracies of evidence that cannot be located.

>>131662760

>The main error in that calculation is for average weight and hence time. Emaciated bodies are much easier to burn.

You are saying the fat jewish bankers who were gassed instantly after arriving to the camps were emaciated? I'd say they weighted double of a normal human.

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>>131672388
I know a six figure salary is pretty unimaginable in the glorious people's caliphate of France but come on lad.

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>>131672448
>nodisinfo.com

nice source guy

>>131672448
No, that image could be legitimate. It is not the ohio train wreck thing, though. They actually used it from some other source they did not know about.

Even assuming the image is valid, it is a fallacy of composition to look at a single photo and extend this to millions upon millions if no physical evidence exists to support the claim. Catching one fish in the pond does not allow one to state the pond is teeming with fish. Until you provide evidence for the claim, the claim cannot be accepted as it is being presented.

>>131669184
69 quintillion dead

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>>131661493
>People were gassed immediately
>People were gassed several times
>People were gassed in "death trucks"
>People were gassed with zykon and not sarin because they wanted to keep it a secret
>People knew about the gassing enough to tell eachother but they couldn't avoid it
>Germans stacked bodies properly so they could burn and completely incinerate them
>You could tell who was burning by the color of the smoke
>Ash piles 20m high and adjacent towns had to evacuate because of the ash acidity

Blah blah blah blah

>>131672388
You just don't get it, do you? Your shit has no effect here. Everything I said is literally true. I have value in society and a healthy sense of self-worth. I get the impression that you do not.

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>>131659771
Everyone that gives new info is jidf?

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>>131672684
>doesn't look at the obvious railroad worker uniforms
>doesn't look at the obvious forged corpse floating above the ground
>doesn't look at the provided newspaper evidence to back up their claims

Stop being such a lazy mental midget and examine a source's evidence before jumping to conclusions. It's pretty difficult with a goldfish attention span but I know you can power through it, buddy. ;^)

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>>131673082
No I read it, I think its bullshit

How about the rest of the articles on that site though

>>131672693
>It is not the ohio train wreck thing, though. They actually used it from some other source they did not know about.

Source?

>Even assuming the image is valid, it is a fallacy of composition to look at a single photo and extend this to millions upon millions if no physical evidence exists to support the claim.

Yet it still undermines the idea that a claim is one hundred percent concrete.

>Catching one fish in the pond does not allow one to state the pond is teeming with fish.

I'd say in the case of the Holocaust, finding an altered photo is more along the lines of finding a fish in a pond that was claimed to be completely empty.

>>131673299
>No I read it, I think its bullshit
Clearly you didn't because you didn't look at the accompanying images.

>How about the rest of the articles on that site though
How does it in any way relate to your manipulated photo?

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>>131673299
What about the shrunken heads you believe that too? I'm asking because I know for a fact it was used as propaganda. I have seen other "fake" pictures that I haven't really found pushed, I'm assuming from stormfront, however I do remember seeing fake stuff at the Holocaust museum. See my previous links here >>131672131

>>131672448
Where is the original photo then fag

>>131673082
this could easily be as well normal sonderkommando clothes. i'm sorry, but a white shirt, dark pants and a cap isn't an all-time railroad worker exclusive material LMFAO

>>131668052
I know of a Jew who survived six camps because she was Jewish.

>>131673740
Its quite clear that site has a bias anon, and seemingly an Islamic one at that. I don't trust it and neither should you. There is no way that site can be used as a reference for anything, you should know that

>>131672950
Wtf, i hate facts now!

>>131656912
Well, there is no evidence to suggest that mass cremations took place. Also, the capability of ovens from the past does not supersede what we have access to today. It would only follow that we have access to the same machinery the Germans used. Except there is no such cremation oven, industrial or otherwise, capable of meeting the rates that are alleged. Even using the same argument breaking down each unit put into each muffle as being a linear relationship (that is, each body takes 15 minutes to cremate, so the total rate is 60 minutes per four bodies), there are no cremation ovens that are capable of meeting this rate because you cannot cremate a body in that amount of time. The only difference is that each unit is individually (by law) cremated today and may or may not be put in a cardboard casket. The bulk of the cremation is not eaten up by these two cases, it is the initial cremation process. Cremating the bones does not take over 75% of the process, nor does a cardboard/wooden casket take up that amount of time. This is because there is a minimum amount of BTUs required to cremate an average human body. Like I said above, even assuming the linear relationship (i.e. no factors limiting the rates when combining multiple units, like weight, sex, body composition, surface area, efficiency of the oven, etc.), there are, still, no ovens capable of meeting the rates that are alleged.
Thus the statement: there is no evidence to suggest...
This is because the entire claim is a conspiracy that cannot be falsified. "They did 'x' as I describe". Okay, how do you determine truth from non-truth for your assertion? I would assume the first thing would be to cite a report replicating the cremation process to fulfil the rates. To my knowledge, no such report exists providing substantive evidence fulfilling the claims, only appeals to the majority or anecdotes.

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>>131673876
The real question is asked, surprisingly, by this fag here >>131673838 we need to see where the original one is pushed. I however have put forth links with definite use of fake artifacts. Id like people to look at it please even ones shilling for the Holocaust , I just want to know the fucking truth.

>>131674477
>When the photographs were first distributed by the Polish resistance, they were cropped to focus on the figures, with the black frames in the two fire-pit images removed. Photography historian Janina Struk writes that Teresa Łasocka-Estreicher ("Tell" in the note from the camp) asked Polish photographer Stanisław Mucha (pl) to make prints, and it is assumed that it was Mucha who decided to crop them

>>131674477
>>131674782

>Some of the cropped images were published in 1945, attributed to the Sonderkommando member David Szmulewski, in a report on Auschwitz-Birkenau by Jan Sehn, a Polish judge.[25] One was exhibited at Auschwitz in 1947, and others were published in 1958 in Warsaw in a book by Stanisław Wrzos-Glinka, Tadeusz Mazur and Jerzy Tomaszewski, 1939–1945: Cierpienie i walka narodu polskiego (published in English as 1939–1945: We Have Not Forgotten). Some of the figures had been retouched to make them clearer

there you go

>>131674165
That also assumes that, say, if you put one unit into one oven, it will take 1 hour. Then, it the claim is that putting another will take the same one hour, or even less. This completely disregards the efficiency of the unit; it is implying that it can provide infinite thermal energy across any surface area. There are no studies into the cremation rates utilized by the ovens (in order to substantiate the claim) beyond anecdotes, unfortunately.
There was also a large portion of the cremation process that occurred in the form of an open flame in the outdoors. Again, these claims are not falsifiable. You cannot prove them wrong, despite there not being any report following up with the claim to replicate the process and substantiate the conclusion that is reached. Nor is there any such report documenting the mass graves littered across Eastern Europe. One would think the abundance of evidence would be so simple to prove. Assuming 90% of the bodies disappeared into the aether and we are to assume their fate without substantive physical evidence backing up the claim, that leaves 1.1 million bodies. Let's say a mass grave will have ten thousand corpses in each area. That means there should be 110 mass graves filled with thousands of bodies. Of course, not all were killed like this. Instead, we can tally up the individual cases (perhaps a few dozen, then a few hundred) to see if the death toll is reached. It would not be statistically honest to look at a few graves of a few thousand and extend this to millions upon millions. If so, cite a report exhuming the graves.

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>>131673838
>Where is the original photo then fag

Pic related.

>this could easily be as well normal sonderkommando clothes. i'm sorry, but a white shirt, dark pants and a cap isn't an all-time railroad worker exclusive material LMFAO

And just as likely it can be normal railroad worker clothes. Sonderkommandos were prisoners and last time I checked, the latest fashion trend among them were striped pajamas, retard.

>>131673876
Every single website out there is biased in one way or another when dealing with the Holocaust. What you should be doing is looking at their evidence and coming to a conclusion yourself.

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>>131672131
>is sent to the gas chamber
>is not shot died when she comes out

>>131668897
My Grandfather was a German infantry soldier. He was apart of the motor brigade. He drove people to the concentration camps. He saw firsthand the massive unmarked graves filled to the brims with Jews that had been shot dead in droves. The death camps were real, only thing is the camps he was at he never saw crematoriums in them, only mass graves of the Jews.

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>>131675007
>Sonderkommandos were prisoners and last time I checked, the latest fashion trend among them were striped pajamas, retard.

wrong

>>131675007
Again, you are asking the wrong question. An image of prisoners burning a few hundred/even thousand bodies is not indicative of anything but that: a few prisoners burning a few thousand bodies. It is not an in-depth analysis of the claims followed by a rigorous proof locating the whereabouts of the deceased, to exhume and identify them.
>>131675256
It would be a genetic fallacy to determine legitimacy based on the 'man' over the 'matter'. A broken clock is right twice a day. And there are biased claims. When you google 'oven', this comes up: https://www.google.ca/search?q=oven+definitio&oq=oven+definitio&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1909j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=oven+definition.
Helmets were also used by the Nazis.
The Holocaust has been politicized and laws have been written on its behalf because victimization is politically advantageous.

>>131674165
I'm sorry, but it has been stated clearly. It takes around from an hour and a half to two hours on average to burn a body today. That's because we handle them very delicately and carefully, we have them stored in the coffins and we burn everything absolutely to the ashes, smoothly. We do that to keep it aesthetically pleasing. However Sonderkommandos didn't do all of that. They threw the bodies on the trolleys and slided them in, while the muffle was red from the heat from previous cremations. It was a continuous process, and there were multiple bodies in the muffle. It took around an hour to burn one body (as you can see, not much different from today's standards), but because there were up to 4 bodies in the muffle, we can say they could burn up to 4 bodies in roughly an hour.
And the numbers add up.
And the evidence that the cremations took place is staggering - first census, then witnesses and post-war documentation. Eisenhower himself predicted that there would be people denying the crime happened, so he took thousands of journalists himself to Auschwitz (or some other camp) and take as much documentation as needed. It was real.

>>131675007
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-auschwitz-burning-open-air.html

>>131675431
Why allow any communication if the purpose is to conceal the conspiracy of execution? Why allow any luxuries to the subhuman, at all? Seems rather odd, why would you allow open dialogue to those who keep your secrets?

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>>131674865
Aha thank you. I do suggest you look into what I posted here >>131672131
though. Video proof of them showing the fake heads and lampshades to German citizens.

>>131675600
Communications would have been monitored, they were still prisoners, just more privileged ones

>The following note was found buried in the Auschwitz crematoria and was written by Zalman Gradowski, a member of the Sonderkommando who was killed in the 7 October 1944 revolt:
"Dear finder of these notes, I have one request of you, which is, in fact, the practical objective for my writing ... that my days of Hell, that my hopeless tomorrow will find a purpose in the future. I am transmitting only a part of what happened in the Birkenau-Auschwitz Hell. You will realize what reality looked like ... From all this you will have a picture of how our people perished."

>>131675600
Because as a Sonderkommando member, you were supposed to be dead after a month anyway. They had to encourage the prisoners to get the job. I mean, if they disagreed, they would get shot. But with no advantages of being a Sonderkommando member, and since prisoners were supposed to die some time anyway, no one would want to work in a place like that. Hope that makes sense.

>>131651246
so?

>>131675506
>I'm sorry, but it has been stated clearly. It takes around from an hour and a half to two hours on average to burn a body today. That's because we handle them very delicately and carefully, we have them stored in the coffins and we burn everything absolutely to the ashes, smoothly.
This is not a claim that is substantiated. Again, the bulk of the cremation is not "10 minutes for all the flesh and other components, 1 hour 20 minutes for bones and a casket, if used". In fact, animal cremations take longer to complete.
>http://www.cremationresource.org/pets/how-is-pet-cremation-done.html
"Pets can be cremated either in usual crematories or the ones that are specifically dedicated for pet cremations. During the process, a pet’s body is placed in a cremation unit and subjected to high temperatures up to 1400-1800 degrees Fahrenheit.

Thus, the intense heat and vaporization reduce the organic matter to dust and dried bones. Next, the surgical, pins, rods, tags, broken pieces of collars, and other metal objects are removed from the dust with the help of a magnet or manual inspection."

"The time for cremation depends on the type of pet you have. For instance, cremation of smaller animals such as birds, mice, rabbits, hamsters, does not take long.

On the other hand, larger animals like horse, large breeds of dogs, etc. are cremated in hours. On an average, though, cremation of a pet may take 45 minutes to two hours for more."
Vaporization is not a "gentile and delicate" process. How hot were the cremation ovens you cite?
>However Sonderkommandos didn't do all of that.
I never said they did. In fact, I used your own linear rate point, assuming no difference between one unit and multiple.

I don't think that the holocaust didn't' happen, I just think that the jews inflate the numbers.

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>>131675506
According to Van Roden's book American Atrocities in Germany, out of 139 cases of treatment of alleged German “war criminals” that were investigated by the commission (who were put on trial by the American Military Tribunal in Dachau after World War II), 137 were tortured by having their testicles crushed. Other methods used by the American interrogators included brutal beatings, placing a hood over the prisoner and punching them in the face with brass knuckles, breaking jaws, knocking out teeth, starvation rations, and solitary confinement. The prisoners were then presented with prepared statements to sign, "confessing" to various crimes.

>Ignores an obviously pushed agenda that is illegal to talk about in many countries and has its own word to protect it from criticism and continues to go on with crematory practices and coffins

>Don't you know it's already been proven that hitler had the best scientists! His ovens were the best in the world you fucking anti Semite!

>>131676198
>I just think that the jews inflate the numbers

by 6,000,000

>>131676030
>In fact, animal cremations take longer to complete.
Who cares?
>The factors that affect cremation time are the size of the body (weight), the percentage of body fat to lean tissue or muscle, the type of container or casket, the performance standards of the cremation equipment, and whether it is the first cremation of the day, the second, the third and so on. Some operators believe that the medical history of the deceased and type of treatment can also affect the time it takes to cremate. As a result, actual cremation times vary from 60 minutes (if you are slim) to more than 5 hours (if you are very obese). In the cremation profession, it is widely stated that it takes about 2 hours to cremate an average body

>>131675506
>It took around an hour to burn one body (as you can see, not much different from today's standards), but because there were up to 4 bodies in the muffle, we can say they could burn up to 4 bodies in roughly an hour.
Four bodies per hour is 15 minutes per body.
This is not substantiated by any evidence. Please cite me anything that replicates this result. This assumes the information I outline in my other post: >>131674937

>first census, then witnesses and post-war documentation. Eisenhower himself predicted that there would be people denying the crime happened, so he took thousands of journalists himself to Auschwitz (or some other camp) and take as much documentation as needed. It was real.
A census does not replicate the cremation rates to see if it is feasible or not. It just records the masses. If people are not recorded, it does not logically follow that they were cremated specifically in the ovens that exist today.
The witnesses are the anecdotes I am claiming are not to be accepted as objective truth. Replicate their assertions. Does such a report exist? On what basis do they determine truth from non-truth? What is the reasoning they used, beyond anecdotal claims?
Eisenhower took images of cremation ovens being used? Can you source me the images that substantiate the heat of the ovens and the rate? I didn't know he utilized thermal imaging photography, or conducted an analysis. Just posting sad images is depressing, but not logical. You cannot extrapolate from images that there were millions cremated in 'x' fashion. There are albino Indians, basically. You cannot extend that to the entire issue.

>>131676355
>according to someone... who said something
fag

>>131676493
>Four bodies per hour is 15 minutes per body.
Yeah. Theoretically. But since 4 bodies were being burned simultaneously, it's 60 minutes per one body.

>>131675791
Why allow any of them privilege? They are the ones who hold power. They can either choose to obey the role bequeathed to them, or die, as you claim. So why allow any luxuries at all?
>>131675965
Yes, so why do they require some privilege to coax them into their duties? If there is the threat of imminent demise, why is this the route chosen?
>>131676468
>Who cares?
We are discussing cremations. I will extend your non-argument to your own assertions. "So what if Eisenhower took images of cremation ovens. That doesn't mean anything because images of cremation ovens are irrelevant to cremation oven discussion".

>>131676198
This is kinda where I am. Although the more I think about it the more I realize that inflating the numbers to the point it seems that they are kinda makes it a non-event in the grand scheme of things. Many many terrible things have happened since then that are worse than what it appears happened there. Where are the museums, monuments, books, organizations, etc. dedicated to those events? Without those figures, it's just another war horror story among hundreds.

>>131676672
>Yeah. Theoretically. But since 4 bodies were being burned simultaneously, it's 60 minutes per one body.
No, it isn't. If you put four units into one oven and the rate is 40 minutes, then your own assertion makes it clear that you believe it is linear (i.e. 10 minutes per unit). So putting x units will always be 10 minutes per unit. Basically, four is not equivalent to one. The rate is "amount of bodies cremated per hour". So "4/60" is equal to "1/15", not "1/60".

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>>131675431
Aren't those people workers captured in Poland before being sent to the camps?

>https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-auschwitz-burning-open-air.html

>blogpost
Well my source is no better so what should I have expected. :^)
Your source also does not touch on the photo anomaly in pic related. It even blatantly just says "Yup, this here is real" by citing as Version D of the original.
Now, let's also assume that these are indeed workers burning corpses in a cremation pit. What if it is to avoid the spread of tuberculosis which many of the prisoners died of? Who is to say that they were corpses the result of a gassing?

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>>131676914
Second part reply to
>>131675506

>>131677032
The Soviets claimed it was four million total, not four million Jews. Auschwitz only killed Jews of ~1 million. The question is that the revised figure is accepted, yet the political motivation behind amending the figure up to four million total deaths, with no evidence, is dismissed because it may also extend to the current figure.

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>>131676672
>Beep boop boop beep I am a robot that doesn't have my own thought processes

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/01-25-46.asp

>>131651246
1 million dead you say? Oy vey why would they want to kill 10 million innocent merchants, what did those 10 billion innocent women and children do to deserve this and who is going to pay reparations for these 40 trillion dead babies?

>>131676672
>But since 4 bodies were being burned simultaneously, it's 60 minutes per one body
It's not time that's the problem here, it's energy. It requires a certain amount of energy to burn a body. That energy is expressed as hours in an oven in your statement. Therefore you must treat it as such, as the anon is doing. Putting 4 bodies in an oven would require more energy (time in said oven) to cremate them than 1 would.

Let me amend this statement again.
"Assuming 90% of the bodies disappeared into the aether and we are to assume their fate without substantive physical evidence backing up the claim, that leaves 1.1 million bodies. Let's say a mass grave will have one thousand corpses in each area. That means there should be 1100 mass graves filled with one thousand bodies. Of course, not all were killed like this. Instead, we can tally up the individual cases (perhaps a few dozen, then a few hundred) to see if the death toll is reached. It would not be statistically honest to look at a few graves of a few thousand and extend this to millions upon millions. If so, cite a report exhuming the graves."
I'd be content with half the graves, or around 500, found, fluctuating from a few thousand or so.

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>>131676736
>If there is the threat of imminent demise, why is this the route chosen?
If you had two options: death, or nice meals, fresh and good clothing plus some freedom and THEN death, what would you choose?

>We are discussing cremations.
Yeah. I said "who cares" because we were talking about human cremations, and you jumped out with animal stuff no one cares about.

>No, it isn't. If you put four units into one oven and the rate is 40 minutes, then your own assertion makes it clear that you believe it is linear (i.e. 10 minutes per unit).
What the fuck are you on about. They didn't burn one after another, but all at once. lel

>>131676914
There have been so many photoshops and forgeries done by deniers that there is no point in discussing it. The original one (picrel) seems to have no such anomaly.

>>131677032
People believed Earth was flat at first. Now it's round. WTF? IS THERE SOME CONSPIRACY?

>>131677483
Just put more fuel accordingly.

>>131677660
The case of remains are explained in the screenshot.

>>131669936
Man, just stay one week in Germany and you will see that krauts are (1) VERY efficient about something they put their mind into (2) extremely xenophobic and assholes to anyone that is not german/conformist/conventional (aka spässig).

I think it is highly probable they commited the Holocaust and the numbers could be even higher, it wouldn't surprise me. The average german is a psycopath ruthless maniac, a wolf in sheep clothes. Never stay alone in a remote place with a german, he will take advantage of you, because they have some Dr. Faust complex: publicly vey noble, secretly wants to rape you and torture you very cruelly, will do so when no one is looking. You see their true nature whenever you need them, they will have orgasms in reciting why you can't do such and such because it is against some nonsense norm. Germans deserve whatever happens to them.

>>131677739
>Just put more fuel accordingly.
But it's not that simple. You'd have to increase the temperature to a point that no fuel they had at their disposal could reach, nor could the ovens withstand. Energy. Not time. If it were as simple as adding more fuel then they could have burned 4 bodies every 5 minutes by just adding more fuel.

>>131654326
Burger education.

>>131677739
>If you had two options: death, or nice meals, fresh and good clothing plus some freedom and THEN death, what would you choose?
No, that isn't my statement. I am asking why those who have power do not simply force the conquered into submission. Do it or die, no meals or anything.
I don't think the victims of war are in any position to set conditions for their agreement.
>Yeah. I said "who cares" because we were talking about human cremations, and you jumped out with animal stuff no one cares about.
Who is "no one"? The point seems to be going over your head. I am asking you for evidence of the heat and rate beyond anecdotes. As in, some replicated case fulfilling the conclusion. Even pet cremations are completed to "vaporize" the corpse.
http://www.acremation.com/how-hot-is-a-cremation-oven
"According to the National Funeral Directors Association which is the largest industry association (founded in 1882), “The optimum temperature range is 1400 degrees to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit for the cremation chamber.”"
The statement is true. The remains aren't taken on a joy ride unless you can cite anything showing that the process is "done gently and delicately".
>What the fuck are you on about. They didn't burn one after another, but all at once. lel
That statement discusses how your own claim is about making linear assumptions. I will use your own words: >>131675506
"It took around an hour to burn one body (as you can see, not much different from today's standards), but because there were up to 4 bodies in the muffle, we can say they could burn up to 4 bodies in roughly an hour."
Four divided by sixty is one over fifteen.
>The case of remains are explained in the screenshot.
It does not logically follow to operate on one image and extend it to an entire premise. Like I said, "You cannot extrapolate from images that there were millions cremated in 'x' fashion. There are albino Indians, basically. You cannot extend that to the entire issue."

>>131678247
>You'd have to increase the temperature to a point that no fuel they had at their disposal could reach
Why? The bodies were burning simultaneously, and there was quite a lot of space in the muffles. You just had to lay the stuff around.

>>131651246
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>>131678756
Putting things on top of one another and assuming the rate will be linear does not factor into account the surface area available for the energy to be transferred. BTU is dependent on joules. Energy is not infinite and ovens cannot supply a linear amount, equally, for millions of iterations.

>>131678756
Because there isn't enough room for the fuel required to output that much energy in that short of a timeframe.

>>131679177
This is a better way of putting it.

and what they did with the bones? they burn at 1500 C. whereas temperature in crematorium is 870–980 °C

>>131678588
>why those who have power do not simply force the conquered into submission. Do it or die, no meals or anything.
Because then people would just choose death instead of killing their relatives and people of their own nation. It would take more time to get the necessary workers, and more time = less efficiency = germans can't let something like that happen

You are also comparing animal cremations to human cremations. Let that sink in. I posted what a professional specialized in human cremations said.

>Four divided by sixty is one over fifteen.
Okay, I have to lay it out like to an idiot.
You have 4 cookies. Each single one of them has to be baked for an hour to be ready. You put 4 of them in an oven. When will they be ready?
A: In an hour.
B: In 4 hours.
lmao

Okay, so seems like I have to quote the screenshot then.
>where are the remains
>Most of it - in air. What was left of those poor people - mixed with earth long time ago to turn into humus.

>>131679177
It doesn't take much energy to burn an additional body placed on a body. The difference in length between cremation times of 2 people and 4 in a muffle would be marginal - 5-10 minutes this way or another.

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>>131655334

>Katyn wasn't pinned on the Germans at Nuremberg

>>131679785
It wasn't. As he said it: Russians wanted to frame them, didn't work out - sad. Many such cases!

>>131679663
>Okay, I have to lay it out like to an idiot.
>You have 4 cookies. Each single one of them has to be baked for an hour to be ready. You put 4 of them in an oven. When will they be ready?
>A: In an hour.
>B: In 4 hours.
>lmao
Horrible analogy. Replace cookie with turkey and you'll see our problem with your math.

>>131679663
>Because then people would just choose death instead of killing their relatives and people of their own nation.
Wait, the people kill their own relatives? The people would choose death... over killing their relatives? Source please.
>It would take more time to get the necessary workers, and more time = less efficiency = germans can't let something like that happen
It is work or die. Like I said, I don't think the victims of war are in any position to set conditions for their agreement.
>You are also comparing animal cremations to human cremations. Let that sink in. I posted what a professional specialized in human cremations said.
I have already made the point that body composition affects the rate. In fact, if you read the source, you would find the following: "The time for cremation depends on the type of pet you have. For instance, cremation of smaller animals such as birds, mice, rabbits, hamsters, does not take long.

On the other hand, larger animals like horse, large breeds of dogs, etc. are cremated in hours. On an average, though, cremation of a pet may take 45 minutes to two hours for more."
Cremating a dog is still a cremation. I am not stating humans are equivalent to dogs, so we should expect the same rates. I am concerned with the temperature and using one rate as a baseline to critique your alleged rates. If an average dog cremation takes longer than what you claim, then you are going to need to replicate your results as there is some discrepancy involved (i.e. a dog's cremation will not outlast the efficiency of the Germans). It is a baseline, not an equivalence.
>Okay, I have to lay it out like to an idiot.
In rational debate, emotions come secondary. They do not demonstrate integrity.
"You have 4 cookies. Each single one of them has to be baked for an hour to be ready. You put 4 of them in an oven. When will they be ready?
A: In an hour.
B: In 4 hours."
You said that four bodies can be cremated in one hour, so the rate put forth by...

>>131679663
Ok. Go fill your gas oven full of turkeys, and set the temp up and tell me how that works out and how you'll magically cook a shitload of turkeys super fast in this oven by just adding more fuel that was in limited supply because of war.

>>131679663
>arguing by analogy
Just fuck my shit up, lad.
First principles or nothing.

>>131679663
>>131680147
Better yet, replace oven with EZ Bake oven (something designed to bake one cookie).

>>131651246
>"The Holocaust happened!"
>"So let's lock up anyone who denies or questions it!"

>>131651246
They did not have 5 crematoria working all the time. 4 and 5 was constructed towards the end on the war when the typhus set in hard.
That means they had half the number of ovens, since the first crematoria was extremely small in the first Auschwitz camp.
And when you account that the ovens do not have enough space for 2 people, only one, that means that the efficiency in your screenshot is 400% of the actually possible numbers.
And if they didn't completely burn the corpses, you would find bone fragments. But you don't. At least not enough for 1,1 million people.

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>>131679663
Have you ever made cookies anon?
If i put too many cookies in the oven NOTHING gets cooked right because the energy can not transfer correctly as the oven is stuffed with cookies. Hence why i only put one or two trays max of cookies into the oven even though it can fit 10. This is called "batch cooking".

>>131679663
your own post here: >>131675506
"It took around an hour to burn one body (as you can see, not much different from today's standards), but because there were up to 4 bodies in the muffle, we can say they could burn up to 4 bodies in roughly an hour."
It is fifteen minutes. Four divided by sixty is one per fifteen minutes, using the assumption of linear rates (i.e. no surface area or energy transfer). Please find me the quotation where I claim four units being cooked takes four hours if the batch is finished in one hour. This is a strawman that you have no evidence for.
>It doesn't take much energy to burn an additional body placed on a body. The difference in length between cremation times of 2 people and 4 in a muffle would be marginal - 5-10 minutes this way or another.
Source is required. Surface area is a factor involved in chemical reactions: it is not negligible. Basically, on what basis do you determine the 5-10 minute mark? Seems like you are just making it up on the fly. Even you admit that it has an effect. How much are you asserting and source your evidence.

>>131651246
Who cares

>>131680147
More fuel = more energy. It's basically like preparing a turkey over a fire, then. But you have 4 fires instead, for the 4 turkeys.

>>131680245
>Wait, the people kill their own relatives?
Maybe not necessarily relatives, but it was often that Jews killed other Jews.

>I don't think the victims of war are in any position to set conditions for their agreement.
Well, but Germans thought of this the other way. End of story.

As to the differences in cremation time - they were mixing the bodies - fat and skinny. They didn't put 4 fatsos inside and they didn't put 4 skeletons in either.

>>131680365
All in the screenshot. Read something more than the first two sentences.

>>131680549
I imagine it to be like this - it takes some time to heat the body up to a good temperature, and then the other body gets burned by the temperature transitioned through the first body. Something like that. Sorry, but I'm no expert over this matter, I have to say.

>>131654706
What fat? They were all skin and bones.

>>131681452
>More fuel = more energy. It's basically like preparing a turkey over a fire, then. But you have 4 fires instead, for the 4 turkeys.
So you're admitting that it would require 4 ovens for the 4 bodies originally mentioned then? Meaning we're now at 1 body per hour per oven?

>>131681793
Nope. It would require 4 ovens if each had a maximum capacity of 30 kg of coal. But just one with 120 kg of coal, layed around proportionally.

>>131681452
>Maybe not necessarily relatives, but it was often that Jews killed other Jews.
How so? Source.
>Well, but Germans thought of this the other way. End of story.
Well, it doesn't follow. Using your own ruthless German killers argument, this is not aligned with that narrative.
>As to the differences in cremation time - they were mixing the bodies - fat and skinny. They didn't put 4 fatsos inside and they didn't put 4 skeletons in either.
Source? You must have a database of most of the cremations done in order to make a statistically significant statement like that.
>I imagine it to be like this - it takes some time to heat the body up to a good temperature, and then the other body gets burned by the temperature transitioned through the first body. Something like that. Sorry, but I'm no expert over this matter, I have to say.
The unit that is being cremated does not double as a heat source capable of putting out the joules necessary. Otherwise, I can just cook one meal once and use the heat of the meal to cook the other meals. I implore you: attempt this and examine the phenomenon known as thermal conductivity. Heat loss occurs in these cases. What do you mean something like that, where are your sources? How can you make a statement like "The difference in length between cremation times of 2 people and 4 in a muffle would be marginal - 5-10 minutes this way or another." with no source. Then, when I ask you your source, you say that you aren't an expert? You just defeated your own argument if you can't cite it. The best you've done is extend Eisenhower's images to some part of a mysterious whole not substantiated beyond anecdotes.

>>131651246
The official plaque says 4 million though, right?
Or did they edit that?

Honestly who cares if the Nazis literally did kill 60 gorillion jews, can't go back in time can we

>>131682222
>How so? Source.
Sonderkommandos were built from prisoners. Prisoners were overwhelmingly Jewish.
Prisoners killed prisoners ~ Jews killed Jews

>Using your own ruthless German killers argument
You're questioning facts now though. It's the same as asking "why do objects with mass attract each other and not the other way". They did so because it was easier. No one would want to work as a Sonderkommando.

>Source?
I've got testimonies of Sonderkommando members that survived the camps. You can't get any more than that.

>Otherwise, I can just cook one meal once and use the heat of the meal to cook the other meals.
If there is a constant energy source powering the whole thing, then I believe it is possible.
Sources regarding the cremation process can be nothing more but testimonies. Many of the testimonies, from different camps, confirm each other. I said I'm not an expert regarding the situation where you want me to do a scientific analysis of this whole thing.

>>131651246
>2 stacks of 2 people arranged horizontally alongside the valley

gonna need sources on that.
you keep reffering to that screenshot but problem is that screensho tis mostly bullshit

>>131683334
>The procedure was to put the first body with the feet towards the muffle, back down and face up. Then a second body was placed on top, again face up, but head towards the muffle... We had to work fast, for the bodies put in first soon started to burn, and their arms and legs rose up. If we were slow, it was difficult to charge the second part of bodies...
By Henryk Tauber, a former Sonderkommando member (Robert Jan van Pelt, The Van Pelt Report - “IV Attestations, 1945-46”).

>>131683092
>Sonderkommandos were built from prisoners. Prisoners were overwhelmingly Jewish. Prisoners killed prisoners ~ Jews killed Jews
This isn't a source. You state that they killed themselves. Source for your claims. You just repeated the statement with no evidence. Has to be some statistically significant source for you to make such a claim.
>You're questioning facts now though. It's the same as asking "why do objects with mass attract each other and not the other way". They did so because it was easier. No one would want to work as a Sonderkommando.
The other way is still true. One object with mass attracts the other, and the force is proportional to the masses and the inverse square of the distances. That's why gravity works: both masses are included. This is not an accurate example. It is actually not easier to pamper the POWs with meals or whatever. It is easier to claim "do this or die". A surrendering army cannot lay out conditions. The victors can just kill them.
>I've got testimonies of Sonderkommando members that survived the camps. You can't get any more than that.
How can anecdotes become a statistically significant claim? Is there some official book they all recorded their observations in? How can all of them be in constant contact if you, earlier, claim that the Sonderkommando are routinely killed? That means the anecdotes are not "passed down", unless you can source it.
>If there is a constant energy source powering the whole thing, then I believe it is possible.
Okay, source your claims. You think it is true, source it. That means heat loss is non-existent or negligible. Heat it up once, then keep it going off of that unit.
Your belief is not corroborated by the loose observations/anecdotes. Source some evidence, like a scientific study, affirming your claims. You are making this up as you go. Just "two fat bodies and two skinny ones". How do you determine that it was NOT four skinny people? How are there fat people at a...

>>131653963
>soap
>fat
>from starving prisoners worked to death
really denies my holocaust

>>131683092
>>131683910
concentration camp? Surely, there must have been a statistically insignificant amount of them, given the very images you use as objective proof show, more often than not, large crowds of malnourished people. How can you determine that it was not disproportionately 'skinny' people?
>Many of the testimonies, from different camps, confirm each other
Source the report they compiled and their methodology used to confirm the hypothesis. This is a ludicrous statement because there are no scientific recordings or inquiries into the matter, yet you assume their observations are recorded in such a manner so as to necessitate such "valid confirmations". How can they determine the heat of the cremation oven? How can they see one unit operating at 'x' Kelvin, then extrapolate from another iteration the same conclusion without factoring in the energy? How can they record this? Again, it's an unfalsifiable claim.
>I said I'm not an expert regarding the situation where you want me to do a scientific analysis of this whole thing.
Then why are you defending a point when you admit you have no expertise/citations?

>>131651246
>malnourished sonderkommando moving 30-120kg of coal and 1-2 bodies every 50 minutes
>4 bodies burn as quickly and efficiently as 1
>removing contaminated bodies from an unventilated gas chamber without any protective gear
>clearly unbiased Polish soldier is the only person to ever escape
Nice

>>131684268
1-4 bodies*

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>>131651246
Of course the holocaust was exaggerated and didn't actually happen on this scale. You're on /pol/. We all know this already.

Also have a pic of the auschwitz soccer team!

>>131682774
They edited it down to "about one and a half million."

but OOPS Rudolf Hoss "confessed" to three million at Nuremberg. Shoulda eased off the torture, guys!

>>131684268
Oh yeah, I almost forgot the other point.

Which do you think is more efficient and will produce faster results: burning 'x' as a chunk all over one flame, or cutting 'x' into smaller sub-units and distributing each piece over its own, respective flame?
Issue involved is surface area and thermal energy transfer taking place in each case (that is, it isn't linear).

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>>131656386
>4.4
>5.3
I thought it was six million goy?

>>131683910
>Source for your claims.
Here are the sources.
1. Friedländer (2009). Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1933-1945, pp. 355-356.
2. Shirer (1990). The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, p. 970.

>A surrendering army cannot lay out conditions
But they didn't demand anything. It was merely an offer from Germans. Without any reward, no one would do the job. You'd be forced to either use Germans for it, or kill the prisoners, because they won't work no matter what you do.

>How can anecdotes become a statistically significant claim?
And what would you want when dealing with such precise topics? Testimonies are one of the most important parts of a trial.

>Is there some official book they all recorded their observations in?
There are different books and different testimonies. Tell me what exactly you want a source on, and I'll do it.

>How can all of them be in constant contact if you, earlier, claim that the Sonderkommando are routinely killed?
As with every war, there are survivors.

>You are making this up as you go
Nope.
>The bodies were sorted

according to their combustibility: for the bodies of the well-nourished were to help burn the emaciated. Under the direction of the Kapos, the bearers began sorting the dead into four stacks. The largest consisted mainly of strong men, the next in size were women, then came children, and lastly a stack of dead Mussulmans, emaciated and nothing but skin and bones. This technique was called ‘express work,’ a designation thought up by the Kommandoführers and originating from experiments carried out in crematorium 5 in the autumn of 1943. The purpose of these experiments was to find a way of saving coke [coal] . . . Thus the bodies of two Mussulmans were cremated together with those of two children or the bodies of two well-nourished men together with that of an emaciated woman, each load consisting of 3, or sometimes, 4 bodies.
Filip Müller, Eyewitness Auschwitz: 3 Yrs in the Gas Chambers (Ivan Dee, 1979), pp. 98, 99.

OY VEY MUH 6 TRILLION

>>131651246
They originaly claimed 4 million.

>>131658294
>>131662583

Only the brain.
Don't eat the brain of any animals to begin with.

>>131651246
Main problem is that the kliing in gas chamber did not start 1940

>>131684268
>strawman and gish gallop

>malnourished sonderkommando moving 30-120kg of coal and 1-2 bodies every 50 minutes
there were many guys there and that's not a lot basically 100 kilos of coal - what's that? also the sonderkommando members weren't malnourished

>4 bodies burn as quickly and efficiently as 1
yes, given there is enough fuel

>removing contaminated bodies from an unventilated gas chamber without any protective gear
>unventilated
this is where you're wrong!

>clearly unbiased Polish soldier is the only person to ever escape
there were many more people escaping auschwitz

>>131684613
>totally not guards

>>131684748
americans inspected neither stutthof nor gross rosen
im too lazy to check others

>>131684941
Current scholars place it around 5.7 million, which is approximately 6 million.

>>131685439
check my reply to the post ending on 032
>>131677739

>>131685673
Yeah, and that's on the screenshot too.

When will you realize it was the starting shot for cultural marxist degeneracy and the jews being the eternal victim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8

>>131651246
1 billion, you antisemite!

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Blue pill or redpill.
The fight spread everywhere.

http://www.funnyjunk.com/channel/kickassfacts-com/Kickass+fact+comp+79/XwNrLKj/70#70

Cremation wasn't the main cause of death or execution method in concentration camps by far. Only a minority of jews died in the ovens. Most were shot or died from starvation and diseases, amongst other maladies.

>>131684966
Page 970 does not discuss how Jews killed themselves. It discusses the cult of personality around Hitler and touches onto the July 20 plot. It is under "THE ALLIED INVASION OF WESTERN EUROPE AND THE ATTEMPT TO KILL HITLER."
Page 355-356 does not touch on that issue, either. In fact, it refutes your claim "There can be no precise overview of the plunder and expropriation of Europe’s Jewish victims. Orchestrated and implemented
throughout the Continent first and foremost by the
Germans, it spread to local officials, police, neighbors, or just
any passerby in Amsterdam or Kovno, in Warsaw or Paris."
It also discusses the periodic "rotation" of the SK. Not by Jews, as that is not a statement that is substantiated.
>It was merely an offer from Germans. Without any reward, no one would do the job
That isn't a voluntary society. It is do or die. Therefore, the cartoonishly evil narrative doesn't hold true to this. It isn't internally consistent.
>And what would you want when dealing with such precise topics? Testimonies are one of the most important parts of a trial.
Substantive reports, statistically significant analyses. Not anecdotes. Some report to substantiate the anecdotes. Are you admitting that is the only amount of evidence you have? Or are you lowering the bar when it is convenient.
>There are different books and different testimonies. Tell me what exactly you want a source on, and I'll do it.
How can they compile their reports to formulate a cohesive conclusion when they could not even record the heat, unless you can source some passage of information after the SK were killed, or how they had thermal imaging technology with them to record objective measurements of the cremations to compare to the rates.
>As with every war, there are survivors.
Except your own source describes the SK as follows: "As for the members of the Sonderkommandos, they were periodically
killed and replaced by a new batch."
They cannot compare and contrast their evidence..

>>131684268
>removing contaminated bodies from an unventilated gas chamber without any protective gear
they did have access to and wear gloves/gas masks.
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/eye-witness-description-of-the-procedure-used-in-the-auschwitz-birkenau-gas-chambers/

>>131684966
...their evidence in these conditions.
>Nope.
This is not a response to the critiques I raised. I will raise them once more: "Okay, source your claims. You think it is true, source it. That means heat loss is non-existent or negligible. Heat it up once, then keep it going off of that unit.
Your belief is not corroborated by the loose observations/anecdotes. Source some evidence, like a scientific study, affirming your claims. You are making this up as you go. Just "two fat bodies and two skinny ones". How do you determine that it was NOT four skinny people? How are there fat people at a concentration camp? Surely, there must have been a statistically insignificant amount of them, given the very images you use as objective proof show, more often than not, large crowds of malnourished people. How can you determine that it was not disproportionately 'skinny' people?

>It doesn't take much energy to burn an additional body placed on a body. The difference in length between cremation times of 2 people and 4 in a muffle would be marginal - 5-10 minutes this way or another.
Source is required. Surface area is a factor involved in chemical reactions: it is not negligible. Basically, on what basis do you determine the 5-10 minute mark? Seems like you are just making it up on the fly. Even you admit that it has an effect. How much are you asserting and source your evidence."

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>>131685761
>too lazy to check others

>BLM flag

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>>131665213
ah yes the true red pill, everyone has fucked up agendas, the ones who dont are always outnumbered but those who do.

>>131684966
"The largest consisted mainly of strong men, the next in size were women, then came children, and lastly a stack of dead Mussulmans, emaciated and nothing but skin and bones. This technique was called ‘express work,’ a designation thought up by the Kommandoführers and originating from experiments carried out in crematorium 5 in the autumn of 1943. The purpose of these experiments was to find a way of saving coke [coal] . . . Thus the bodies of two Mussulmans were cremated together with those of two children or the bodies of two well-nourished men together with that of an emaciated woman, each load consisting of 3, or sometimes, 4 bodies."

This is referred to as "eyeballing it". The statement I made a counter-point to was in regards to skinny and obese, like you said. You said, and I quote from: >>131681452
"they were mixing the bodies - fat and skinny. They didn't put 4 fatsos inside and they didn't put 4 skeletons in either."
Your original statement was concerned with obese and skinny. I responded asking about how there is a statistically relevant proportion of the "obese" when your images show the malnourished masses. I was not discussing by age, or by sex. You are shifting the goalposts, even when you made the original assertion. Nobody contends that they could have been separated by sex. But if the purpose is "saving coke", how can they determine the ratios required to know when to put in a child with a batch of adults in order to save energy and be efficient? How hot was the cremation oven? How did they determine this ratio? You just said they separated them, then they were cremated based on "a few kids, a few well-nourished men". How do they determine that method to be the most efficient? Cite their argument used.

>>131662760
1404m3
Considereing a standard ISO 20 container that makes 42 containers every day in a perfect fit and coal always burns perfect scenario.
Not counting the coal needed for other.
For me that is much especially if I am extremly short on ressources.

>>131686062
"How can they compile their reports to formulate a cohesive conclusion when they could not even record the heat, unless you can source some passage of information after the SK were killed, or how they had thermal imaging technology with them to record objective measurements of the cremations to compare to the rates."
To add to this, it seems as if (and this is further compounded with your anecdotes) that the judgement is literally based on "meh, that looks okay to me", but you are passing it off as something more tried-and-true, more rigorous, when it is literally just guesstimations.

>>131686062
page 355-356
>Apart from the hall for undressing and the gas chamber,
the basements of the crematoria, built on two levels, included
a hall for the handling of the corpses (for the pulling out of
gold teeth, cutting women’s hair, detaching prosthetic limbs,
collecting any valuables) by **Jewish Sonderkommando members**,
after they had dragged the bodies out of the gas chamber. Then
elevators carried the corpses to the ground floor, where several
ovens reduced them to ashes. After the grinding of bones in
special mills, the ashes were used as fertilizer in the nearby
fields, dumped in local forests, or tossed into the river, close by.
**As for the members of the Sonderkommandos, they were periodically killed and replaced by a new batch**.
page 873* (sorry, it wasn't 970)
>Twenty or thirty minutes later when the huge mass of naked flesh had ceased
to writhe, pumps drew out the poisonous air, the large door was opened and the
men of the Sonderkommando took over. These were Jewish male inmates who
were promised their lives and adequate food in return for performing the most
ghastly job of all

People die every day.

>>131685761
You're correct about the escapees, my mistake.

It would have bern closer to 300 kg per load if multiple bodies were burned. Is there a document you can reference listing the number of sonderkommando?

Can you provide some evidence of forced ventilation in any of the "gas chambers"? There certainly isn't any equipment like that on the reconstructed one.

Can you back up your claim about efficiency? Because it defies common sense.