Is the Alt Right a stepping stone toward natsoc?

i wish it was, but realistically, no.

>>131403193
Probably not but I can dream

>>131403193
The national socialistic idea has been discredited long time ago. Even at its hight in 1933 it faced severe resentments.
So, if the Alt-right is close to the NatSoc movement, it will not do the same things the Nazis did.
It will be different.
To even think that there are complete analogies when arguing history is ridiculous

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Wait? No 4th Reich in North America?

I guess I have to put down NatSoc and be more realistic and go with being Libertarian

>>131403193
The alt-right is natsoc without the JQ. and it works as a stepping stone.

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I would 4th Reich America. This country has gone to shit.

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>>131403193
No it's a watered down version of nationalism for the sake of (((inclusiveness)))
Absolutely disgusting

>>131404480
Which alt-right? Because the larger "alt-lite" as it's called here in America is super free market and pro-degeneracy and pro-racemixing. It's pretty stupid desu, bunch of normie republicans running around with Pepe signs acting like they're radicals when their beliefs are as mainstream conservative as it gets.

It is and if not, that kid you sperged out to might be more willing to do what's necessary

>>131403633
German education

>>131405880
The Alt-Right isn't civic nationalist.

>>131405880
>all those mongrels

No, lack of a strong identity and a sense of disorder in your country does. Young people are turning to more authoritarian regimes because our system lacks paternalism to inspire loyalty and faith in the processes of the state. The extremes promise things that modern day people are lacking, and government continues to fail as the center crumbles away. Alt-right and other groups are the result of each side of the spectrum splintering, and chances are you will see increased Balkanization of ideologies and stances as this problem gets worse.

We're not organized enough to create a genuine national socialist system, saying you're national socialist isn't enough, if you're truely dedicated to the idea you need to take over a small town and privatize the land, make enough money to develop the infrastructure and education, healthcare, law enforcement and other nessesary systems. The problem in doing so is trying to avoid media attention and infiltration from hostile forces.

The "Alt Right" is buffoonery intended to delegitimize right-wing views.

>>131403193
No.
NatSoc is a social culture, rather than a coherent political ideology on its own.
AltRight is formed of many subcultures.
NatSoc is a subculture which is AltRight.

I'm older than 90% of you. I've seen it all before. I'm happy that you are interested in these things. I'm also drunk and have aspergers.

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>>131403193
No.
The "Alt-Right" aren't Socialist.

>>131405972
I think they're regular citizens and Republicans who dislike the radical left and use the same memes as us to mockingly combat their idiotic ideas and behaviour.

>>131403193
Nice of you to slip in that literal Satanic symbolism on us, on the far left of this image, kike.

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>>131407140
Nice meme

>>131408754
Redefinition of phrases is the exact same sort of thing the SJWs do. Why should Hitler's redefinition of the word Socialist be respected while the SJW's redefinition of the word racist be disregarded?

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>>131408754
>The NATIONAL SOCIALIST party.
>Levy quotas on corporations and otherwise tightly control them.
>Heavily tax corporations and fine them exorbant amounts of money (up to millions of marks) for small errors.
>Completely prevent the formation of small scale businesses.

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>responding to shills

>>131403193
Nazis are part of Alt-right and many even autists like Richard Spencer still admire Nazism. this meme that alt-right is just moderates is pure shilling.

>>131403193
You'll never know if you don't stand on your own two feet, first.

>>131409300
He didn't redefine it you moron, Marx just didn't invent it. Saint-Simon defined it in a similar way.

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>>131404359
There are lots of people all over Scandinavia that are getting fed up with the cucky high octane altruist facade of their anti-white governments.
Pretty sure the best place for a full on return of Nat Sac will be Norway, Sweden, & Denmark. Their's a Finnish chapter of Nordfront too, but obviously I think white Finns and Sami people might split off into two countries or it'd just be an apartheid situation.

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>>131409869
He still provides a definition contrary to the actual written definition. What gives his definition legitimacy when compared to the definition given my Marx, for example.

>>131410144
Actual written modern definition on google?
Marx is the one who redefined it and Marxism just became common. all definition are legit in a way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preussentum_und_Sozialismus

>>131410144
>>131409869
Doesn't matter what he defined it as when he still acted mostly according to the common definition.

>>131403193
No it's a stepping stone towards a FBI honeypot.

>>131405880
>Sadik Kahn
>alt-right

>alt-right
>civ-nat

SURE IS GASLIGHT IN HERE FAMALAN

Next you'll say the oathkeepers are alt-right.

>>131410464
No, he mostly acted as he defined it. it was still Fascism. everything was not socially owned, it was just regulated.

>>131403193
Not even close
Alt-right is just usual US GOP policies + anti-Sharia

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>>131410759
The "owners" of the means of production had no real control over it, the state were likely to seize any company that acted out of line, as such they controlled the means of production.
Later through their heavy taxes and their hard fines, those which it is quite clear that they were actively looking for reasons to give, they reaped effectively all the monetary gain that they would normally have from them.
The common definition of a socialist state is one where the state controls the means of production, you can keep up your doublethink all you want but it doesn't change reality.

>>131411338
Like I said, it's regulated. government can arrest you if you commit crime, does that also mean that government owns you? by your logic no government is non-socialist.

common Marxist definition includes being anti-private property and being anti-corporations. I still don't see any contradiction with what he did. if nazi were really that close to modern socialist they wouldn't have put Hjalmar in charge.

>>131411338
State control of the means of production is Stalinism pal

>>131411785
Regulated to the point where the supposed owner has no real control aside from figuring out the best way to fulfill the state imposed quota.
The difference between socialism and your form of "regulation" is more equivalent to saying "we didn't gas the kikes, we used firing squads." or that you were always in prison, it's just that you didn't have to have both your feet and arms shackled beforehand.

>>131410020
The nine points they use as their main goal are so vague full of bullshit that they can be interpreted however they want.
Only those gullible/desperate would join them

For example, they want the northern nations to be joined into a single nation mostly cut off from the rest of the world, and want a more democratic system.
But what if the majority of the populace doesn't want their nation to be cut off from the rest of the world?
They want a lot of free speech, but also laws against things that are "acts of public hostility".
But where does the line go between criticism and being an enemy to the public?


If these fucktards come into power it will only swap out one shitty system with another one.
At least things are improving without having to give in to that crap.

there's no charismatic leader to unite behind

>>131412359
Give an example of so called owners having no real control. National Socialism was a form of Fascism and therefore corporatism.

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>>131413826
I figured that the whole takeover of companies which didn't follow the wishes of the state were evidence enough, but i seem to have found some other golden socialist nuggets.

>In other cases, where the Nazi administration wanted additional industrial capacity, they would first nationalize and then establish a new state-owned-and-operated company. In 1937 Hermann Göring targeted companies producing iron ore, “taking control of all privately owned steelworks and setting up a new company

>On July 15, 1933 a law was enacted that imposed compulsory membership in cartels, while by 1934 the Third Reich had mandated a reorganization of all companies and trade associations and placed them “under the control of the state

>>131415525
There was both nationalization and privatization of certain companions. it all fits in Hitler's definition and in definition of corporatism, they didn't have the same policies all the time thought. take over of companies at certain times is not the definition of socialism.

>>131415525
if a company was negative for the country it was destroyed as it should be. it is not socialism if most private companys are still allowed. get your anecdotal evidence out of /pol/

>>131415525
btw, thanks for posting that picture and letting us know that your a fat neckbeard faggot.

>>131417056
Except those companies weren't specifically a negative, were they?
They just weren't positive enough, I guess they just wanted their wishful quotas to be met.
>>131416427
"It technically wasn't socialism."
"Sure they controlled the means of production, it's just that they didn't technically own them."

Did you know that according to statistics 87% of all jews have serious mental illness related symptoms?

>>131417458
They controlled means of productions the same way American government does for owning NASA.
now you are resorting to putting words in my mouth.

>>131417991
>everything was not socially owned, it was just regulated.
I guess you "technically" did not say those exact phrases.

Tightly controlling various industries and clearly taking down those which would in any way deviate from the states ideal vision is effectively the same thing as normal Socialism.

>>131419043
We have a genius among us, watch out everyone
Who would have thought that a nation preparing and going for a world-war would take control of vital industries like steel
Mind = blown
Dumbass

>>131403193
It absolutely is
>>131409812
The best, fashiest reply

>>131419880
u are the only nigger here

>>131419880
The act of taking control of the steel industry is just a notable splash in the sea.
Did you suddenly forget about the "by 1934 the Third Reich had mandated a reorganization of all companies and trade associations and placed them “under the control of the state.”" part?
I guess that one is too inconvenient for you.

>>131419043
I said those things, I didn't say the other too.
No, it not the same thing as socialism. you are also over-exaggerating, they didn't take down those which would deviate from the ideals in any way, they didn't take them down at all just preventing them from doing certain things, it's not like if you made one mistake government was going to take your whole company away, owners still own companies and get profit from them. again your definition makes America socialist. most regimes do what they did during a war. you are desperate.

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>>131406386
Yes it is

>>131413272
This! The so called leaders are pretty weak. There is no cult of personality to rally to, just a bunch of infighting factions led by bickering women. I wish it weren't so

>>131420301
In your quest for quote-mining and defending some abstract incoherent agenda you conveniently skipped the next paragraph where they give explicit examples of privatizations the Nazis put in place
Crying out "commies !!11!1" everytime there is state intervention like a 200kg american is sublte nor smart, it just makes you sound obtuse and uninformed on basic political knowledge

>>131420351
>it's not like if you made one mistake government was going to take your whole company away,
>" In other cases, National Socialist officials were levying harsh fines of millions of marks for a “single bookkeeping error.”"

And hardly, if it was the same then the recent coal thing with that dying fellow would have been quite different.
>Those industries that somehow remained in private hands often received favoritism, subsidies and various state assistance. Nonetheless, Hitler was “an enemy of free market economics”
I would certainly argue that if the United States was socialist if something like Wallmart or potentially Amazon also was run in a similar fashion to NASA and SpaceX were given fines on the semi regular.
You'd also have to fix proper healthcare and social security networks first though, even the nazis had those, how can the US be so far behind on it?

>>131420498
>reddit
>alt-right

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>>131403193
when did Sargon paint his hair blond?

>>131420962
>Vereinigte Oberschlesische Hüttenwerke AG, a company controlling all of the metal production in the Upper Silesian coal and steel industry.
I guess that one didn't last since they later took the steel industry.
>Giving control of banks to the Jews.
Kek.
>Between the fiscal years 1934/35 and 1937/38, privatization represented 1.4 percent of the German government's revenues.
I wager they simply couldn't be bothered at that point.

>>131404359
>Wait? No 4th Reich in North America?
>I guess I have to put down NatSoc and be more realistic and go with being Libertarian
No shit, US. Just let the federation dissolve and finally have your confederacy. Hopefully this will keep you from jewing with the rest of the world.

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>>131403193

The Alt-Right is against Jews and Gays, and is even against Trump now. Also, I dare you to find me a fat Alt-Righter, because I've never seen one in my life.
t.AltRighter before it was popular

>>131421863
>" In other cases, National Socialist officials were levying harsh fines of millions of marks for a “single bookkeeping error.”"

This is an opinion of some guy. not an actual proof and a policy.

Yeah, Hitler was not for free market, what a surprise.

>US would only be socialist if companies of my choice are run by government
ok

>>131405972
>conservative
Try again, burger. The last conservatives you retards had were fucking democrats.

>>131407138
>I'm older than 90% of you.
This reminded me of the story about 128 year old Adolf. I would imagine that he shitposts on /pol/ every so often.

>>131403193
I was always natsoc by heart. Called myself a communist most of my life so I wouldn't break mothers heart. But wasn't really all that political until I started paying taxes.

>>131422591
>US would be effectively socialist if companies that mattered were run by the government
Who's putting words in someone elses mouth again?
Besides you know damn well that all companies, even the smaller ones were being supervised and that the owners would likely be sent to work camps if they were caught really out of line.>>131420962

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>>131403193
inb4 OP is just working on a story for CNN
>pic related. write about this instead.

>>131422591
Oh, also
>Opinion of some guy
I guess academic papers and quotes from businessmen who actually operated during those times are just opinions.

>>131423039
So you choose companies that matter, that's completely different of course.

Supervision and regulation of companies alone falls under Hitler's definition, while it doesn't' for Marxist definition.

>>131410144

>But the google definition!!!111!1!!!

https://www.google.com/#q=definition+of+gender

Jewgle and all other dictionaries are already being (((revised)))

>>131423846
Here we go again with the whole
>Strict regulation isn't technically ownership
Thing again.
You're starting to sound and awful lot like a broken record, so I guess I can get away with repeating myself as well.
>Tightly controlling various industries and clearly taking down those which would in any way deviate from the states ideal vision is effectively the same thing as normal Socialism.

>>131423574
There is no academic papers, just what some random guy said.

>>131424134
Yeah, it isn't, without technically in there.

>>131424162
Oh, it appears that you're correct, I'll retract that then.
You're still assuming however, that the opinion of a business owner is somehow invalid.
>>131424594
>Sure his reign was pretty much the same as one would expect a socialist reign to be, however since he didn't directly own the businesses it wasn't REAL socialism.
Just like it wouldn't be communism if the state merely dictated to company owners that every one was work for free and receive an equal amount of food from the farmers no matter what.
As long as they don't directly own them, it is literally fine.

>>131425159
Again, trying to put in my mouth complete bullshit I would never say and doesn't come close to what I said.

What would Marxist define socialism as wasn't Third Reich, ask any Marxist or socialist, ask anyone at that time.
I never said that it wasn't "real" socialism, I'm saying that it is not Marxists socialism and made it clear that Marx redefined the term.

>Just like it wouldn't be communism if the state merely dictated to company owners that every one was work for free and receive an equal amount of food from the farmers no matter what.
That's just not possible. it isn't anything, because it can't work. people want to own companies because it gives them profit.

>>131425996
Oh we'll just put them in "voluntary work camps" if they don't want to run their businesses!
After all, "totally not actual marxist communism" has never been tried!

You know what my father always says?!
If it smells like Marxist Socialism, looks like Marxist Socialism and produces effectively the same result as Marxist Socialism, then it's probably Marxist Socialism!

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Fuck drumpf and fuck white people

>>131426584
That's not communism, Marxists never produced or implemented that, nobody will be able to implement that and nobody will want to implement it.

Too bad none of that is true for National Socialism. to you probably Roman Empire looks like Marxism socialism and medieval states look like Marxism socialism, because they don't worship big black cock of freedom.

>>131427001
Marxists never proposed*

>>131427001
>If they don't do as we want them they go to the Gulags.
Have I made it clearer?
My "totally not communism" is gonna be so good I totally didn't base it on Marxist principles and as such it is okay.
Did the Roman Empire send people off to work camps because they went out of line?
That sure does sound awesome! My totes not communism is gonna be Muh Holy Russian Empire! We be gonna be Emperors and shit! Except we actually don't have classes and as such I can only call myself Emperor in private which is a shame, at least the people in work camps can feel truly good about not living in communism!

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>>131420498
thats pretty good.

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>>131403193
Alt right is a meme cooked up by leftists to try to create a spooky boogey man ideology to scare people to support them. They called everyone neo-nazis, white supremacists, kkk memebers, and wore those terms out so now they have a fresh one. It's just a slur applied to the new counter culture right wing figures emerging as a method to keep in power. Milo, Lauren Southern, Gavin, Sargon, the IMAJUN MUH SHOWK guy. The media reports them all as this (even though we know they're just libertarians, conservatives, centrist, what ever). When the media doesn't report them as it they try to stick the label anyway they can "Infowars is a controversial show with a large alt-right following...Breitbart the ultra conservative news outlet that is a haven for alt right supporters... Trump's latest action is cheered by alt right..." Spencer is a white nationalist who is just rolling in the controversy of this alt-right meme to gain support for his cause.

>>131410577
It's not about the people in the picture you fucking retard. It's an example of what your future looks like if you accept people of all backgrounds as long as they support the (((Western))) values.

>>131428072
Yeah, every government sends you to a prison if you fall out of line, it's just that the line is different for different governments.

Show me Marx's writing about working camps.

>>131430038
>Based on
Oh gosh this Roman Empire sure sounds wonderful! I'm sure they also prevented those with less than .2 million marks from creating a business and levied quotas on their industries as well as taxing the preexisting ones for almost half what they make! They sure sound like a shining example!
That thing sounds perfect for my totally not communism since it makes it really easy to monitor which industries exist! after all they can't ever have 1/5 of a million if they don't earn any money!

>>131422172
Every western country took control of steel production at some point during the war dipshit
They gave strict limitations on foreign finance and you can bet your ass the jews weren't part of the executive anymore in the banking industry
Got any more straws to grasp at ?

>>131403193
Of course not, retard.

National Socialism is incompatible with Free Market Capitalism. America is a capitalist ecosystem. Only college students and idiots want socialism of any kind.

>>131403633
1933 was the beginning, not the height, 1938 was more like their height of power and there was basically zero resistance to the Germans from then on till the end of the war.

>>131430853
>I lost the argument so let me start it over again but this time I'm making the same argument smug sarcastic way

kys moronic faggot. not it doesn't sound wonderful, but it's not communism you utter retard.
bye faggot, I'm not wasting any more of my time on this.

>>131404480
Alt-right has the JQ, but not everyone in it is NatSoc. A good portion of the alt-right hates everything leftist, and that includes economics.

>>131431569
>Privatization represented 1.4 percent of the German government's revenues.

>Even at such a small portion they presumably still had strict quotas and control over the various industries that were still privatized.

>>131431890
>It works exactly like communism has worked during various implementations yet it's still not actually communism because of this small reason that doesn't actually change anything in any meaningful way.
>My point.
>Your head.
I wasn't planning on wasting more time on your shenanigans either, it's been 3 hours for fucks sake.

>>131432183
Yeah, good job not addressing my main points, nuance seems to be something you also learned from your dumbass father
Good point highlighting you needed a minimal capital to create a PRIVATE business in nazi germany, everybody knows the USSR had a thriving private sector
Maybe at some point you should look back and realize your father is a stupide uneducated piece of shit and you took a lot after him, since you cannot comprehend how it is possible that massively opposite political system are still at odds with each other despite sharing MINOR similarities in their economic policies
Or just kill yourself, you're a lost case at this point
Georgian anon, you're a cool dude by the way

>>131403193
Honestly, I don't care about zionism or gay rights or whatever /pol/ thinks is degenerate as long as the demographics remain European. Once the demographics are gone, you lose your country. Use Japan as a guide. It's time for the West to learn from the East.

I have enough connections that I won't be lynched for being gay on the day of rope ;)

>>131411832
Not like Marx literally wrote "seize the means of production" in his manifesto or anything

>>131432825
Jesus fucking christ you sound genuinely angry about my shitposting.
>My other points
You mean the joke I made about Jews being involved in banking?
Or the point about iron production which later became irrelevant?

>>131417563
Probably not, only 119% of people know that

>>131433071
Point me to the part where he wrote that it is the state that needs to seize them
The earlier marxist proponents were massively anti-state

>>131432825
Oh also I guess it's worth pointing out that the war hadn't even started yet when they seized the iron production.

>>
We don't have a problem with jews we have a problem with zionists and the rich capitalists.

>>131410548
Richard Spencer hates the FBI

>>131431840

1920 was the beggining. Hitler was just elected Chancellor in 1933. I'd argue either 1937 was the peak with the publishing of the nuremberg laws. Or summer 1941 after the fall of france, Britain almost completely defeated, and before america and russia entered the war. They were truly at their peak.

>>131433611
>he wrote that it is the state that needs to seize them
Semantics.
To take away the means of production without answering to any higher judiciary system, they have to be in charge. which is why they revolt first, they destroy the previous administration and stablish a new one. You may not call it "the state" but in practice that's exactly what it is, the most powerful organisation within the boundaries

>>131433782
>we have a problem with zionists
what problem?

>and the rich capitalists.
what problem?

>>131422525
Enoch is pree fat.

>>131433648
Use your brain you fucking mongoloid, why do you think they took control of it in 1937... how the hell are you supposed to go to war if you don't build tanks and guns on a national scale
Again, you are overlooking the fact that every single country in the west did this as well, before or during the war. It wasn't just Germany or the USSR, so look it up and shut your dumb mouth

>>131408754
>nash equilibrium applied to politics
Hitler was truly a man ahead of his time

>>131403633
>has been discredited
appeal to authority fallacy you cuck. How and by whom?

>>131434816
Not semantics, he explicitly stated it was the workers who were to organize and take control, never did he claim the state or an administration had to do anything with it
They were supposed to create local communes and councils, who took charge of local matters. I don't see how you can amalgamate this with a state, which is something that's supposed to be national and more or less centralized

>>131403193
It will inevitably be a stepping stone b/c automation. Once trucking and retail go away and 3d printing guts the trades, then the white lower middle class will have no other option but to rally around natsoc.

>>131435086
Gosh, language anon.
>Private companies still only accounted for less than 2 percent even with the 40% tax on corps.
>They were still tightly controlled.

>This entire argument has continued this long because of a technicality.

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WHO ELSE /BASED JEW/ HERE

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>>131403193
The right is a failure that's eating itself alive.

The alt lite is bunch of scam artists cashing in on a trend.
The right in power are Republicans that do hold some conservative values but will never change the big-government ways and ideals.
The alt right is too offensive and gets shunned by every single prominent political group.
EVERY right-wing group gets overrun by low-IQ Christians that just want to force Christian nonsense into everything regardless of how it hurts the politics of a group. The more Christian these groups get, the more subhuman morons they attract.
A new age of faux-conservatives has come with trump. These deplorable love "triggering snowflakes" and "political correctness" but don't say anything offensive or they'll shut you down, kick you out and call you gerbils.
Neo-nazis are morons that don't care about politics. They won't shut up about Jews, they won't further a serious political party, they just want to be part of a group.

What the fuck is left? Seriously?

>>131436007
Why are you focusing on this one point like an autistic retard, it also disproves your whole point
You do realize that the private sector is virtually non-existent in a communist system, so again, tell me how similar the nazi economy is with the USSR
You may see the light at some point, who knows

>>131436614
You should mention an over-emphasis on economy despite poor knowledge of it, and shunning education, arts and science because apparently they're corrupted and infected by liberals
You end up with a bunch of clueless materialistic underachievers who fill their shitty lives with memes
Worthless

>>131403193
The Alt-Right is rebranded NatSoc with better optics. People need to stop criticising it all the time.

>>131436990
>They technically didn't own it.
There's that point again, it just keeps coming up again and again.

Now I don't have the German revenue statistics for just before the second world war at hand (who could have guessed), so I'm going to base it off the average. Now Germany specifically had a far higher tax than average on corporations so I'll just casually add 1 percent, doesn't actually make much difference, just a bit easier.
As it just so happens, corporations provide about 9 percent of the governments revenue, bump it up by one that'd be 10 percent.
That makes privatized corporations just less than 1/5 of the total.
Now you can certainly argue that small businesses provide less revenue as they simply are smaller.
Then you'd remember that all the banks were suddenly privatized and that they disbanded small time businesses.
Sure sounds like a good capitalist system.
But then again I suppose it's Totallynotsocialism just like my totallynotcommunism was totallynotcommunism.

>>131435545
>They were supposed to create local communes and councils, who took charge of local matters. I don't see how you can amalgamate this with a state, which is something that's supposed to be national and more or less centralized

Your issue here is the definition of state, but whatever the highest echelon of the administration of these communes is, I bet they are still supposed to control the means of production right?

>>131439229
There is a huge dichotomy between practice and theory when it comes to marxism, since the texts were pretty abstract and organizational stuff more or less happened on the go
Originally no, the highest echelon wasn't supposed to control the means of the production, the workers were. Then stuff like dictature of the proletariat pops out and things get more complicated. Structure of powers that were supposed to be temporary just get consolidated and things can drift away
That's what happened in the USSR, but things were different in Yougoslavia or Vietnam for example

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>>131435029
"You ask your government to do this or that... and they look over its shoulder... to Wall Street, New York"

>>131429211

Alt-right is white/ethno nationalist not civic nationalist, unscramble your brain man, if you've heard of Erkenbrand it's along those lines

>>131403193
The fact that the first post wasn't just a straight-up "no" tells me that this board has seriously gone to shit.

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/hijacks thread
Is the 'Alt-R' a stepping stone for the 'Patriot' that understands the need for some 'Me' time? The US was great when it was a beacon of the world; but, now it's just Israels bitch.

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>>131440792
>Alt-right is white/ethno nationalist not civic nationalist, unscramble your brain man, if you've heard of Erkenbrand it's along those lines
Translation: OathQueefers are civic nationalists and believe that financing, fighting and dying in wars for Israel is 'Patrotism'; albeit, our 'Greatest Ally' has done fuck all for the US.

>>131441416
Describe the alt-right. I'm curious because people are mixing it up with alt-lite reddit shit a lot in this thread.

>>131442497
>Describe the alt-right. I'm curious because people are mixing it up with alt-lite reddit shit a lot in this thread.
>go to Vox
>read the 16-pillars of the Alt-R
>profit

there is no need to deviate from this structure. there is no need to amend it. it serves its purpose because there is no codification of what constitutes White Nationalism.

>>131441416
This x1000

>>131442731
Yeah that's solid but I actually meant to post in reply to the pirate. There's genuinely a bunch of people in this thread that think alt-right is the alt-lite and I'm just curious of how they came to this conclusion.

>>131437676
> Alt right is rebranded natsoc
Spotted the retarded american

No. Not even close. All it does is go after low-hanging fruit, then retreat with (((civic))) bullshit to appease the left.

If you're going to be right-wing, don't try to get the lefty votes, don't even throw them a bone. You can make right-wing friends if you're so worried about not making friends with a hipster girl.

>>131443413
What the fuck do you think it is?

>>131434395
This. In terms of total land controlled their peak was in 42, but by then it was already too late

>>131441416
This

>>131443502
A joke of a " movement" filled with CIA plants and oppurtunists larping as some huwhite nationalists but all their goal is not wanting negroes in their gay bathhouses and clubs.

>>131403193
The "alt Right" is literally a cringe fest
Anybody who calls themselves alt right your go back to ******

>>131443757
Care to point to what you'd consider legitimate advocates of white nationalism?

>>131442497

I'd just define it as the spectrum between Jared Taylor and Andrew Anglin. WN, mostly traditionalist, mostly counter-semitic

>why don't they just call themselves NatSoc

Because opinion on stuff like economics vary massively, it only really coagulated into a movement because the race question has become such a pressing concern in the West

>>131403193
>Are fat autistic Amerifag neckbeards the future master race?
Yeah, no.

>>131444012
In my eyes even white nationalism is just a retarded idea created by identityless mutts in the USA

>>131444618
Oh so your opinion on the subject is actually worthless because you don't even want what any of these groups/individuals are advocating? Good to know, I'll ignore you now.

>>131444618
Says the mongol rape baby

>>131444483
Neither are mouth breathing drugged up communists

>>131445389
>mongol rape baby
>Implying we werent mongols before that

>>131445133
t. anglo mutt
White identity is a sham, it's an empty buzzword that disappears whenever one actually starts to dig into what it really strives for. Vague, emotional bullshit that would get you laughed out any serious political party

>>131445133
>Implying they are advocating anything
Pls just go ahead and suck dickie boys tits

>>131445636
t. Atilla

>>131445761
What identity do you have?

>>131445761
This
>>131445791
> t. Atilla
>Implying nothing

>>131445898
I'm just busting your balls

>>131445952
>busting your balls
Plebbit tier arguments and discussions desu

>>131445761
Another worthless opinion to add to the trash heap.

>>131445889
Polish catholic. Like my mother and father, their mothers and fathers, and their ancestors before
We have an ancestral set of beliefs, creed and values, land, language and common history with other families sharing our blood and nation
It's not something I obsess over and aim to turn into a political circus. But it's a solide and fertile ground in which one can take roots, and then move into the world

>>131446486
>Polish catholic identity is a sham, it's an empty buzzword that disappears whenever one actually starts to dig into what it really strives for. Vague, emotional bullshit that would get you laughed out any serious political party

>>131403193
Yes, this is still a hive of degeneracy to be certain but it's also an extremely powerful tool and anyone be they sympathetic to National Socialism or not would be a fool to believe otherwise.

>>131420498
>the_donald
>alt-right
How new are you?

>>131446486
Btw what other identity are invalid? Black? Native American? Or is it just white identities?

>>131446659
Hello what is 1000 years of history ? :DDD
1/10, reddit-tier
>>131446309
You know I'm right

>>131446659
Nice mental gymnastic tier non arguments Jimbo

>>131447045
How many years does an identity have to be established before it gets considered valid?

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>>131447045
Nah, still very convinced race is real, and that white people are a race.

>>131447168
Please explain what huwhite identity means. Oh wait you cant other then say muh skin colour

>>131436614
fucking LOL. beautiful

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>>131447490
While liberals enjoyed cultural hegemony and became complacent and intellectually lazy, the young transgressives of the alt-right produced an undeniable level of creative energy. The war for the soul of America Pat Buchanan waged in the 1990s has long since been won by the cultural left, and the tyrannical overreach of liberal intellectual conformity undoubtedly helped create the youthful rebellion against it. But this temporary alliance of very different factions — the most stark being between the traditionalist right and the libertinism of chan culture — has produced a schizophrenic incoherence.

The alt-right mourns European culture’s decline but has itself created the most degraded and degenerate forms of culture the West has ever seen in its own fetid forums. It romanticizes the West but hates its Christian “slave morality” and the best of its intellectual traditions. The alt-right uses the now completely bankrupt language of counterculture and transgression when they talk about being “the new punk,” which should serve as a reminder of how empty those ideas have now become.

But how will that framing continue to make sense during the Trump era? When liberals are no longer in power, the philosophical irreconcilability between its paleo-conservatism, which aims for a return to traditional marriage while disapproving of porn and promiscuity, and the amoral libertine Internet culture from which all the real energy has emerged, will soon begin to show.

>>131447441
American whites (and Canadian) are considered a valid ethnic group that are made up of other ethnic groups from Europe. Just like Hungarians are made up of Finns and Slavs. So White identity is American identity.

>>131447040
Of course they're invalid you fucking baboon. You think in Africa people go around thinking "That dude is black, we are like bros". They have super complex tribal and familial allegiances, with their own languages, rituals and religions
You might have a lot homework to do if you think being right-wing = fuck SJWs LOL
>>131447168
It's not just time dipshit. It has to be an organic gathering with a common culture and mutual goals
It needs to be recognized as such by the people who hold it, the people around them holding a different identity and survive the test of time
Being a roman citizen was a valid identity until it collapsed and got wrecked, the same goes with the US
>>131447136
Lengyel and Magyar forever bratanki <3

>>131443792
Six asterisks eh? Only vulgar word i can think of with six characters is nigger.
>YOURGOBACKTONIGGAZ

>>131448078
Sure Africans don't like each other but here in America they all mixed and theres a valid black identity here.

>It's not just time dipshit. It has to be an organic gathering with a common culture and mutual goals
It needs to be recognized as such by the people who hold it, the people around them holding a different identity and survive the test of time

You mean like the white identity here in America?

>>131422525
Enoch's fat as fuck and is a little bitch at non-verbal language

>>131447953
>hungarians are made up of finns and slavs
Your knowledge on hungarians hurts me physically
And then why arent you nationalist for the american ethnicity if such thing even exists

>>131448444
Because the American ethnicity was robbed of by jewish interests to mean anyone (no matter where they come from) that lives on this soil instead of a common ethnic group. You see that happening now in Europe where any new refugee is considered a "German" or "Swede"

>>131447429
You seriously want to base your identity on a biological feature ? That's nigger-tier retarded

>>131448145
Reddit

>>131447441
Having descended from European peoples.
It is held in recognition of the fact that all peoples of Europe are superior to all peoples of anywhere else who coincidentally have a different skin colour making the colour of ones skin a useful identifier in distinguishing oneself from the lesser peoples in an increasingly global society.
It's that simple you utter twit.

National Socialism and soon Communism are dead memes.

>>131448745
How many black polish catholics are there?

>>131448741
I think we misunderstood eachother in the beginning. Since white identity is only for you USA white mutts I can understand that but it shouldnt be pushed for the nations in europe who have their own identities

>>131449148
Frankly I would love a brotherhood of Europeans but I don't want everyone in Europe to mix up to become just like Americans are.
Btw I am not even a true American, I'm a first-gen immigrant from the Balkans but I have to stand up for Americans

>>131448347
America is a degenerate shithole with no culture
Your "identity" is just narcissistic individualism, I compared you to Rome for a reason

>>131449380
It wasn't always like this

>>131448745
>evolution is real
>it applies to animals
>humans were separated for 250,000 years
>somehow evolution just stopped working for 250,000 years in relation to humans
"Lol race is jus skin deep bro"
Get fucking real will you?

>>131449287
>european brotherhood mixed togheter
And that there is the thing that the EU wants. Just an identityless supercontinent. Its only identity will be "muh we wuz romanz" and other Same tier shit. No different languages nor anything Its like globalisms wet dream

>>131449648
> we wuz Same race nao give up your culture in favour of we wuz kangz n sheet

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>>131403193
Yeah

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>>131403193
Why is everything on a spectrum of 'nothing' to 1930s 'german national socialists'? I just don't get it.

>>131449648
Read my post again you goddamn ape
Are you implying your answer is yes ?
Try to run a campaign based on that, see how far you go. "Whites evolved differently from blacks. Vote for me"
You are literally proving my point. There is nothing here, no values, no goals, no vision. Just a moronic focus on a biological feature, complete garbage

>>131448078
Együtt harcol és íssza borát

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>>131415525
lewd

>>131407341

It's teh leet hakurz board, /baph/, from cripplechan. Notice the ironlarp logo too and the TRSODOMITE being portrayed as the good goy alt-lite.

These kinds of spergs are allergic to success and spend more time trying to promote D&Cing in the Right than the fucking SPLC.

Case and point: this thread

>>131450626

It's the exact same basis as any ethnic identity

>>131451691
Is it ? What's the ethnicity then ?

>>131451812

Ethnic identity is based on a biological feature the same as race, this whole thread you've been strawmanning WN as some sort of Pan-Europeanism, white identity and WN isn't about creating some shared nation and identity for all white people, it's about defending white interests and taking taking on a racial identity along with an ethnic, religious, regional etc. one. I don't want all the European ethnicities to mix, I want them all to be protected

>>131450626
>a biological feature
>singular
I was gonna give you a big info dump on racial studies, but then I realized that for someone to continue to believe that "le race is le social le construct, it's only le skin deep" in this day and age, you'd have to actively be ignoring all the easily accessible statistics and studies that objectively proves the significance of race beyond skin colour. Let me know how that arab/african integration works out for you. Actually, you wont need to let me know, I'll be seeing reports of spiking rape and violent crime statistics in France on the news.

>>131452559
The point that was made is that 'white' was used as a baseless concept by people of various european origins who do not share anything with their forefather's cultures and found refuge in something superficial like biological features to create a political ideology
You talk about white interest as if it was something obvious, but most european nations, while not outright hostile, are still very much at odds with each other. It's a naive idea that doesn't work in the real world
I very much agree that every European nation and ethnicity deserves protecting, but somehow white nationalism doesn't seem to really put focus on this

>>131447924
good post, anon

>>131403193
No. I love animu to much.

>>131453402
>You talk about white interest as if it was something obvious, but most european nations, while not outright hostile, are still very much at odds with each other.
That's ethnicity at work, then you have race. We are more at odds with other races than we are with each-other naturally. This is absolutely undeniable.

>>131452924
Go dump your 4chan-science memes on reddit for all I care, you're still a retard if you think you can create a political ideology based on race, plain and simple
Unless you find an actual retort to the objections I raised concerning how vacuous and vague your ideas are, you can go choke on a dick, might be more productive for you

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>>131403633
>Even at its hight in 1933 it faced severe resentments.
>German re-education

>>131436304


kek love your feet based Jew.

>>131454033
I guess I'd be pretty pissed as well if some foreigners came into my country to wreck shit up, place their politicians in my government for their economic benefit and then invade my land a few years later for some stupid reason
Humans aren't necessarily at odds with each other for no goddamn reason you know. You are hated world-wide because you are a nation-wrecker worse than jews and women combined

>>131453402

Race isn't baseless or superficial, it's a biological reality and no more useless than species as a concept. To the rest of your post, white interests should be obvious to you, the same way human interests would exist if there was something threatening all of humanity, European and European-descended nations are almost all undergoing massive displacement from non-white populations, better to unite as a race to work together to combat at for the good of our ethnic group, ourselves and our descendants

> white nationalism doesn't seem to really put focus on this

I disagree, it's the defining feature. You'd be right if we were talking about the WN of a few decades ago. Have a read through the "bowling alone" study, I'm of the belief that the most important factor in creating a stable, happy, low-crime society is racial homogeneity

>>131454311
It's not based on race exclusively. It's a racialist form of fascism. Fascism is the foundation of national socialism. The main thing that sets us apart from fascists is that we stress is that race ISN'T completely irrelevant, we don't fucking bury our heads in the sand when the subject of genetics and race comes up like you do, you fucking coward. We will seriously consider the concept where most dropped the idea because it became controversial. Your assertion that NS cares about race and nothing else is just a shitty fucking strawman.

>>131455431
You are absolutely spot-on on your last point Racial homogeneity does create more organic and happy societies. I have lived in a few of those, and while they're really pleasant and relaxing, they can also be pretty ruthless for more individualistic people
Race isn't baseless, but it's irrelevant as far as politics go, that's the point I'm trying to drive through. I can assure you the millionaires in your country won't give a rat's ass about what happens in some Montana village where immigrants increase criminality. Same in Britain or France
Economic and social standing are much more relevant metrics that people identify with in western societies now. It's been that way for decades, and blasting on and on about race won't change any of this
You are dodging the question regarding white interests. I stated that european nations had conflicting interests at times, do you think a few thousands migrants are going to unite people all of a sudden ? While it certainly is causing societal problems, you're putting it on par with a full-blown national war.. it only really affects proles who see more competition in their jobs and cannot afford to move to a safer place

>>131403193
Today's nazis are either autistic larping faggots or subhuman angry larping apes

>>131403193
Nazism is a defeated idea, it's never coming back.

>>131456887
>You are absolutely spot-on on your last point Racial homogeneity does create more organic and happy societies.
>Race isn't baseless, but it's irrelevant as far as politics go
How can you be this fucking retarded? You just admitted that it creates happier, more cohesive societies but then you go and say it's fucking irrelevant seconds later? Can't you see how fucking stupid you sound?

>>131457226

>defeated idea

It's been around for less than 80 years and shook the world when it was implemented for even a decade.

Christianity took off 300 years after his death like a wildfire and Jesus didn't even make any big splashes in his life time.

Ideas don't die, anon.

>>131456633
NS cared about german identity, and put forward, albeit in a slightly quaint way, german literature, folk culture, art, history and traditions. You think they were protecting the white race ? They were protecting their ethnic interests first and foremost, and gladly bombed britain and massacred polish people to achieve their goals
You are suddenly mixing NS with white nationalism, which are completely different things

>>131456887

>It's irrelevant as far as politics go

It certainly isn't, have you been paying attention to politics for the last few years? The left explicitly panders to non-white groups and CivNat parties and far right groups have been growing massively. The political lines are becoming less ideological and instead are being drawn on ethnic lines.

>>131406913
That's conservatism not the alt right

>>131457481
>NS cared about german identity, and put forward, albeit in a slightly quaint way, german literature, folk culture, art, history and traditions. You think they were protecting the white race ?

Here, from the horses mouth, in your mother-tongue; https://youtu.be/iEeSPc5oTcM
and from Hitler himself, paying respect to all Europeans; https://youtu.be/rqu3bndYiYg

>>131453402
This is actually why white nationalism has never been taken seriously in America. Whiteness is too ridiculous a concept where it now means light skinned caucasoids. America was based on a largely Anglo Saxon Protestant demographic with the American ethnicity defined as such. However now anyone could be an American which renders the term as meaningless.

>>131403193
lol alt-right isn't even real

>>131403193
Alt-right is a term coined by the left liberals. It is made to address any one with right views but aren't necessarily republican, even though republicans are considered right.

This then gives an umbrella term to call the republican supporters things like radical and degenerate. The public normies will have a downward look at the right and the right will think it is protesters and the vocal so they remain silent due to chilling effects of being labled by the MSM.

>>131403633
wow your best and brightest have really been holocausted

>>131457248
I meant ethnic homogeneity. Try living as a Korean in Japan, see how far your race will take you
Had you bothered to read the rest of my post, you would have stumbled upon this bit

"Economic and social standing are much more relevant metrics that people identify with in western societies now. It's been that way for decades, and blasting on and on about race won't change any of this"

Which also holds some truth even in ethnically homogenous countries. You are mixing race and ethnicity, get a fucking grip, they're obviously vastly different you cretin

>>131458233
No, it's not. Richard Spencer literally branded his own movement as alt-right in 2010, before anyone started throwing that term around a lot. You'd know that if you were here before the election.

>>131458458
The election is what brought me here. So I will give you that. However the MSM sure ran with the term to try and divide any one who would be vocal about their ideas, but oppose the left.

>>131457791
And you think it's a good sign ? Being drawn back to racial (not even ethnic) lines is more the sign of a regression than a triumphant political movement. It's short-sighted and improductive, nothing concrete will come out of it, and I'll give you a hint, it's not because of the jews
>>131457881
No sympathy for traitors, Degrelle is an intelligent and cultured man but he still deserves to be shot
Paying lip service to a continent you waged war on, killing its people, destroying its monuments and taking its resources doesn't sound honourable or even logical. You should note again that he explicitly refers to ethnic nations, and puts emphasis on CULTURE
Something you haven't even fucking mentioned ONCE in all of your posts

>>131458436
I did read that part but I completely discarded it as bullshit because I've seen mountains of statistical evidence to prove you wrong. Blacks still under-perform in academia compared to any other race and they are particularly predisposed to committing violent crime. Doesn't matter where they are in the world, they generally behave/perform the same wherever they go, their sociology-economic upbringing barely makes any difference. Same applies to any race, they will act out their genetic instincts and ability wherever they are in the world.

Also it's cute how you have to pick two nations within the same race that specifically have a negative perception of each other due to history. It doesn't matter how much they hate each other, genetically, behaviorally and culturally they have far more in common with each other than they do with any European,

>>131459351
>socio-economic
Fix'd

>>131459164

Of course it's a regression, but it's an inevitable and necessary one. It's either conflict or oblivion, Western civilisation is an expression of Western people, humans aren't clay you can mould to however you like

>>131459351
If you genuinely think 4chan infographics are a reliable source of information to have a sound and rational opinion on politics you're a lost cause and I honestly, sincerely pity you
I live in a fairly big town, I hang out in academic circles, there are plenty of arabs and blacks who are smart and educated around me. Outliers exist, they are also part of the graphs you take so seriously, but I'm guessing you identify too much with the bell curve to actually pay attention to them
If you are going to fustigate other races for their uncivilized behaviour, then you will also have to call out the overwhelming mass of whites with niggerish behaviour. Or do you excuse bad behaviour only if the person also happens to be white, in which case you have zero consistency

>>131460487
Some aren't, some are
Right now, it seems your best universities are filled with indians and asians, they seem to have learned western civilization pretty well

>>131436614
>the fag

Is that milo?

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>>131460920
>If you genuinely think 4chan infographics are a reliable source of information
No, I don't.
>Outliers exist, they are also part of the graphs you take so seriously
I'm well aware
>If you are going to fustigate other races for their uncivilized behaviour, then you will also have to call out the overwhelming mass of whites with niggerish behaviour.
I do.

It's pretty funny how fucking salty you are though dude, you're talking to a fascist who seems to be saying the same things as I am but you've dumped a mountain of salt into your posts directed at me because pic related was your grandfather, wasn't he?

>>131461590

Asians can be successful in Western countries because they're intelligent, they aren't Western though, replace the white populations of Europe, America and the Antipodes with Asians and the end result isn't Western people or Western civilisation, it's Asian people and Asian civilisation. They don't come here because we share a common spirit, they come because we've got wealth and institutions they can exploit for their own self-interest. When the new world was colonised what was left behind? European civilisation, the soil didn't transform them into spiritual Aborigines or Native Americans.

>>131462721
You do ? What are you going to do about them then ?
LARP all you want, you're still a 5'8 american mutt behind your nazi flag
>>131462742
Same as with the poster above, I was getting at the fact that you overlook how you have an overly idealized image of the white race, when a lot of them (the poster above for example) are just clueless morons that are as badly uneducated and clueless as the minorities you lash out at

>>131403193
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>>131420498
somebody worked entirely too hard on this.

>>131464507

Where have I argued that I want rid of other races from Western nations because they're "badly educated and clueless"? I don't idolise the white race, I've laid out why I'm a WN already

>>131465570
Where have I argued that you want to get rid of them as well ? I wrote "lash out", pay attention dammit

>>131466005

Doesn't really change my point, if I was black and my nation was being flooded with Chinese immigrants I'd have the same feeling. I'm a race realist but that isn't why I'm a white nationalist.