Freedom

why though. what are you going to do with an AR? shoot up a school? hunting and target shooting is better done with a bolt-gun. no one needs an AR.

>>129633581
Shoot up my own house, when/if it's ever filled with burglars

>>129633960
wouldnt a carbine be better for use in the house?

>>129634216
ar-15 is a carbine

>>129634851
well the ar15 is the civilian name of the M16 and the M4 carbine, that is basically the carbine version of the M16. since you said "AR15 rifle" in the OP i assumed you ment the full sized rifle and not the carbine

>>129635563
also that a full sized rifle in the pic

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>>129633030
>quality AR15 rifle for 450 US dollar
>quality
>$450

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>>129633030
also
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
why cant i have guns?

Please no bully BKA

>>129635563
Shorter barrels are taxed heavily and have extra checks thanks to the manlet run atf who also thinks airsoft can be turned into fully automatic rifles. Also anyone who falls into the "bolt guns & hunting only" thing should be lined up and shot as traitors. Despite not having a chance vs modern military the threat of armed citizens is still there.

>>129633581
>need
judging by the swarms of leftists that destroy their own cities in the past several months, i think i do need one to defend my family and property

>>129633581
to kill tyrants you fucking illiterate

>>129636061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-J2pYLCvI

>>129633581
Why not target and hunt with an AR? They're cool.

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Quality for 450? Lets see some brand names...

Sweet. I throw one under my truck seat with a few mags. Leave another leaning up on my back door to shoot at the coyotes. And another behind my front porch couch for the solicitors. God bless the USA. Everyone else can get fucked.

>>129633030
What's up with all this?

I figured on about $1k for a halfway decent AR and then the expected 1000 rounds for it. I was thinking maybe getting one chambered for 22 as a first one.

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>>129633960
>>129636208
>>129636240
>>129636290
>falling for bait

>>129636630

.22? are you in california?

>>129636830
No, it's just that most of the time if you can shoot .22 at somebody they're going to run away and you can fit a lot of it into a small space.

I already have other things. I'm just getting to thinking .22 might be the way to go as my first AR.

>>129636240
yeah, cletus and billy bob are really going to accomplish a whole lot vs our nigger and spic army in blackhawks and abrams.

>>129636290
cant shoot quarter moa with an AR. semi autos are play things for manchildren and murderers.

the m&p shield had a rebate for a pretty cheap total

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>>129636630
You can get a bcg and seperate mags to change over a 556/223 into .22 for abiut 90$...while being able to switch back to 556/223 after you finish your cheap plinking.

>>129637135
SHALL

NOT

BE

INFRINGED

>>129637135

you speak like a foreigner who knows next to nothing about this country except what entertainment media presents. it's not even triggering it's just really odd.

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>>129636263
>no carry

>>129633030
Too bad most of them are not offering anything I have an interest in.

Maybe a proper WW1 era M1911, or a pre Bangor-Punta Model 29 Smith..

Or hell, a triple-lock reproduction. THAT would be neat. Also, "Colt " (or whatever the fuck they are this week) bringing back the Woodsman, Huntsman and Match Target..

>>129633581

Go fuck a cactus, shitlord.

>>129637408

if you could simply carry all this incessant immigrant violence would seriously change.

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>>129637408
Feels good

>>129637801

is that sig a 320?

>>129637117
if you want a .22 get a 10/22 or something. .22 ars are basically just a regular semi-auto stuffed in an ar shaped container. it's like buying a mustang that's actually a ford fusion with a mustang bodykit.

>>129637366
What the hell is the point of those commie mags. I cant think of any reasonable scenario to have one (besides living in commie states).

>>129638375
Standard capacity magazines are heavy fully loaded as you can see its a little light gun and maybe that was his goal? Also its a 20 roundse not 10

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>>129638038
Yes

>>129637408

At least always take a fixed blade with you

>>129638345
What caliber is better do you think?

I'm not much a marksman so I want to be able to fire off more than get a big heavy thing right where it counts.

>>129638375
Please see>>129638866

Its my bedside/car "pistol". I have plenty of 30 and a couple 40 round mags that I can use, but for a light weight, tight quarter config I keep it ready with a 20.

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>>129639045
I like the color, but prefer the ds/sa

>>129639217
ummm 5.56/.233 is fine. No reason to get a .22

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>>129639530
I switched back to black to get the gen2 takedown switch with the 2016 grips.

>>129639862
*.223

>>129639530

I like your Afternoon Snack II

Ban assault threads.

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>>129633581
fpbp

>>129639205
just googled it
nach §42a Waffengesetz ist es Verboten hieb und Stichwaffen zu tragen

>>129640954
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/waffg_2002/__42a.html
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/waffg_2002/anlage_1.html

>>129636108
i think a lot of the military guys would end up siding with the citizens in that situation desu.

>>129639217
if you want an ar there's no reason not to get it in .223/5.56. the main advantage of .22 is that it's cheap and not as loud.

>>129640954
>>129641014

Feststehende Messer mit einer Klingenlänge von bis zu 12 cm gelten nicht als Hieb- oder Stichwaffe sondern als Werkzeug.
Das sind so ziemlich die meisten regulären Fahrtenmesser. Wenn du weiß was du machst ist das wesentlich besser als nur die Fäuste.

>>129636328
The only two that come to mind are PSA or AR Stoner. They're not bad, but they're nothing special either.

>>129637135
idk how anybody can say this with a straight face after vietnam, iraq, and afghanistan

>>129641233
>being on /pol/
>knowing how to handle a knife

>>129636061
You can buy carbine versions of the ar-15*

the size difference is pretty smol compared to American houses

>>129641233
well i know where the pointy end goes

>>129641374
seriously, the US military will fuck shit up in open warfare, but they have proven to be god awful at police actions which is what taking guns would end up being for them.

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>>129633030
>>129633581
>>129634216

Home Defense against criminals

5.56mm ammunition has a hard time breaking through multiple walls and its twice as effective at stopping someone (than standard handgun ammunition)

Also with 30 rounds you dont have to worry about running out. You dont have to use all 30, but more or less it means it will always work when you pull the trigger.

It only fires 1 bullet at a time in case you were wondering. Only military versions shoot like a machinegun (and we dont have those).

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>>129641610
>>129641616

We need them to defend against the upcoming EU Army in case they decide to invade the mainland.

>>129641616
>tfw house made of stone
>tfw don't give a fuck about the bullet killing 10 children next door that maek u cri errytime

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>>129636328
picked up a PSA a few weekends ago (cash to a private seller, gave a fake name)

Nothing wrong with it whatsoever

>>129636328
Brand names just get you a roll mark and slightly better internals. And even then your gun is only as good as who's shooting it.

>>129637135
>>129641374
>>129641610

Nobody is fighting Open Warfare on US soil. There's way too much real estate (we're the size of china) and the crumbling infrastructure wont allow anything heavier than MRAPs to move around.

And the air force will be completely compromised and cut off from their fuel supplies. So Drones wont be a thing. Maybe an occasional B-52 bombing run.

>>129641756
kek

>>129641917
Looks gud man

>>129636290
Too small of a caliber to take anything down with one shot. Plus the round tumbles on entry and it fucked the meat up.

>>129636328
Ruger. Smith and Wesson. Clearly you're not going to get the best of the best for sub $500 but there have been endless deals on M&P Sports and Ruger AR 556s in the last few months for $400-500, and those are both quality enough for an entry level gun.

>>129642000
nice digits

i really have trouble believing that the pilots of those b-52s would actually obey the order to bomb american citizens on US soil.

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>>129642117
Its good for varmint shooting - Coyotes and Foxes, and pic related.

Also this assertion is untrue because I know a guy who can take down Deer with a .22LR. He uses a chiseled hollowpoint and conducts a lungshot, the deer runs about 100 yd and falls over.

Using a Vmax .223 should do the same damage and probably produce an exit wound and impale both lungs.

> hunting with an AR
Depends on where you live but in Illinois for example you cant really hunt anything with it legally because calibers are restricted for hunting. Pretty much comes down to either .22LR, or .44MAG, or Shotguns.

>>129642472
That's the thing. They wouldn't. They'd fly them to a base that 100% defected and then WE would have a couple new bombers.

whats the best shotgun for house protection for the buck? im poor

>>129633581
Go put a plastic bag over your head faggot.

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>>129633030
silly anons, we all know what the true superior weapon in terms of bang to buck

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>>129642472

If Anyone is left who would fire on civilians, they would strap them in and send them off.

Somebody would be stupid enough to keep doing it, or think they'd get away with saying they slept in the barracks the whole time.

The high rate of desertion in the military during a civil war (about 80-90%) means we'd only have a standing army of about 200,000 soldiers willing to shoot and bomb grandma

"because it aint my grandma"

> and knowing they will suffer the inevitable fate of being burned alive, or dragged to death down a gravel road, for their crimes

>>129642137
/this

Go Ruger or S&W for best bang for buck>>129642472

>>129642613
that sitiation would be straight chaos

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>>129642507
saying something intelligent on /pol/ rofl

Nice! I was going to spend my extra cash on hookers but this seems like a better deal.

>>129641504
>>129641571

Weiß ich ja nicht wie ihr so seid. Ich kann mit allerlei Schuss und Blankwaffen gut umgehen. Ist auch nicht schwer wenn man keine Vollidiot ist.

>>129642660
First gun I bought was a small 20ga cheap thing. Easy to swing around in a tight space, good for poorfag, and you're not going to have a good time with #00 if it hits you.

Maybe it's not the best gun for home defense. I'm embarrassed if anybody sees it. But on the other hand it's cheap and it works.

>>129633581
Its time for you to read the federalist papers pertaining to the Second.

>>129642924
Well I mean we're not talking about just another Tuesday.

>>129642924
also called FUBAR
or SNAFU
and yeah war is like that

>>129642972
actually ive heard 20gauge is getting better and because of the handling and lower recoil - its real good for home defense

>>129633030
where did you read this?

>>129641917
Which school will you be shooting up?

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>>129633030

Wish I would have waited and built an AR, I fell for the panic buy meme and bought a colt 6920 for $800 a year or two ago, at least I have the pony stamp I guess

>>129642972

You dont want to use buckshot for home defense. At least not #00

Get either #1 Buck or #4 buck - the pellets are all either .22 caliber or .25 caliber in size so they leave reasonable holes...

But they leave SO MANY more of those holes that its alot better than the larger stuff. And they're less likely to go through more than one wall in the home.

>>129642660
Mossberg 500. Pump action action shotgun that costs 300-400 dollars if you don't mind it being used.

>>129643116
is 20g any good for hunting? i was planning on getting a 12g, not sure what kind. i should have mention i could use something that can take down a deer but my main concern is stopping any cock sucker that fucks with my family

>>129643027
not saying you shouldnt be allowed to own one, but anyone with a semiauto rifle/shotgun or a handgun belongs on a watchlist.

>>129635827
Better than no AR

>>129643350
this is what i was thinking, wanted some input on it to decide

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>>129643260

Ysee Obama was the best gun salesman since samuel colt.

But think of it like this... folks with money or initiative got armed up first. Now poorfags are going to arm up because everything is getting cheaper.

Its just phase 2 thats all. Keep your funz and keep stocking ammo.

EU ARMY is on the horizon and they'll be worse than the UN.


>>129643350
Yknow actually im quite interested in one of these Pistol Caliber carbines... AR-15 but in a pistol caliber.

I wish that 7.62 Tokarev model was more accessible because that shit is flat shooting, cheap, and effective

> with 35 or 60 round magazines too.

>>129643348
I agree. But I live in a stone house and it's not going through walls

But if you you look at the ballistic jelly, it's going to fuck up anybody who wants to get shot. And as a cheap pump-action beginner, anybody who doesn't go on the run before I get the last round off is much more dangerous than I ever thought would break in to my house.

I still don't thin it was a bad decision.

>>129633030
Fuck off, not political. We literally have a whole board for this

>>>/k/
Also AK > AR :^)

>>129643352
Stick with a 12 gauge. More versatile, more common, more choices.

>>129643352
its great, just make sure you can safely fire slugs through it

>>129643404
I disagree, and legal precedent means they could expand it to cover other stuff anyway, whether its in the nature of protecting the public good or not. Sorry thats just the way it is.

:shall not be infringed:
was worded that way for a reason, if you infringe gun ownership, by legal standpoint you can keep infringing it.

>>129643350
I got mine at Big Five for that, new.

>>129642850

Been an AK fag since a teenager but wound up with an M&P 15 in a trade recently. It feels so light and handy l that I'm keeping it.

>>129643404
So literally everyone then? That would include the vast majority of gun users

>>129643404

And you belong in Europe

>>129643350
You can score new 590 tactical for $300ish if you catch a good sale. 590A1s for probably 350-400 on good sales. If you're paying $300-400 for a used 500 you're overpaying. You can get brand new ones for the low end of that or cheaper if you find the right sale and have somewhere to do FFL transfers for a reasonable price.
I do agree that a 500 or 590 is a good choice though. If you need cheaper Mavericks can be had for low $200s.

Anyone know a good affordable bolt .300Winmag

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>>129643697
"I have got to get me one of these"

> 7.62 tokarev upper

>>129644224
https://www.gunbuyer.com/mossberg-590-tactical-pump-action-shotgun-12ga-3-chamber-18-5-barrel-7-1-50778.html
18.5 inch, 6+1 590 Tactical for $299 + whatever you have to pay for the ffl transfer.

>>129633030
wtf do you need a machinegun for? join the marines if you want to shoot long guns, faggot.

>>129644336
remington 700 or 770
they run about $450 last I checked

> to avoid the remshit slamfire routine, dont chamber a round until you're ready to use it

>>129634216
lol Ackmed trying to learn about guns

>>129633030
>: IMG_0677.jpg

Is that particular AR for sale @ 450 US dollar
because I totes would purchase one that looked like that.

>>129635827
It's FN, it's quality.

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>>129644336
>wants an affordable boltgun
>to shoot 300 winmag

>>129644609
>machinegun
fun I guess

But if you ask me if I want 5 rounds in my child shotgun or 30 in an AR taped with another 30 on the other side and then a few hundred more on my chest to double as a bullet-proof vest? Yeah, I'll take the AR.

>>129644809
thats because he'll pay an arm and a leg for the ammo

seriously that shit is like $1.50 per shot

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>Want a bushmaster xm15
>Go to gun store online
>Literally the only guns available are glocks and bolt action rifles

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>>129644609
can't tell if bait or dumbass Californian.

>>129633030
Anyone else /noguns/ here?

>>129644882
cheaping out on the rifle so you can buy a few dozen more rounds makes sense in what dimension? just shoot .308 if youre a poor fag.

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>>129643404
no

>>129644817
they should round up all of you LARPers and your guns and airdrop you from a c130 into afghanistan.

>>129633030
For $450 bucks, you are buying a piece of shit AR anon...

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>>129644487
Because then id have these as my sidearm... uses the same ammunition...

> 14 inches of meat penetration

>>129644724
An FN would never sell so low. An AR with a specialty hand guard and compensator probably wouldn't either.

Still, this is what independence day sales are for. Grab one and play legos with it Anon.

>>129645111
I don't think DARPA would be happy about that.

>>129645014
give me one good reason why you need an ar15?
what can you possibly do with that rifle that you can't do with a model 70 in .308?

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>>129645173

>tfw those were too unreliable for the Katyn massacre and Sovietcucks had to use German pistols

>>129645347
negros travel in packs my man

>>129645250
I can't wait for the 10,000% bullet tax. each round will cost $7500 It's in congress now.

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>>129633581
you kike.

>>129645458

> poorly maintained

>>129645347
Home defense when you don't want excessive over penetration through walls.

>>129645622

>falling for the easiest /k/ b8

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>>129645347
>need

>>129633581
>t. Antifa fag too poor to afford a gun so rely on throwing their STD ridden piss on people

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>>129645140
AR market is super great right now 450 will never be top of the line but it will be functional and great. The only other major upgrades are trigger and glass and an average AR user can go toe to toe with someone who has a 2 grand one.

>>129645594
You didn't already stock up on ammo?

I don't know whom you're taxing.

>>129645495
yeah, so? I could take out a pack of niggers with a model 70 before any of them even knew what was happening, and I could probably do it from 500 yds. you can't do that in .223

>>129645654

Meh, I prefer the Makarov if it has to be a Commie pistol.

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>>129645594
Oh yeah, that'll totally pass.

>>129645726
that's what frangible rounds are for, genius. they come in hunting round calibers.

>>129645759

Is there any reason to take this clunky thing over an UMP? Besides looking fancy?

>>129637136
Yeah PSA had 9mm and .40sw shields for like $220 after rebate. I gots a .45 comin for $250+shipping and FFL transfer

>>129645779
The best part is that the parts market is the best it's ever been. There are so many options to build an incredible quality AR15 that fits your needs. When the assault weapons ban expires in 2004, there were only a few options for after market parts. 16 years of constant combat and development has created literally thousands of high quality parts from reputable manufacturers.

>>129645914
the idea is to have a rifle and pistol that shoot the same ammunition - and have that ammunition rather effective and flat shooting for the rifle

Because now you dont have to carry two different kinds of ammo, just one. You only have to buy one kind of ammo (maybe some .223 for the standard upper you'd have laying around).

>>129646046
>2 armed men break into home
>grab the bolt action .308
>shoot first one
>completely fucking deaf
>try to work the bolt to load next round
>get stabbed to death

>>129646223

start lifting

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>>129646065
ehhhhhh, kind of a personal preference thing. Glock mags vs HK mags, crazy as recoil system vs german engineering.

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>>129645759
Is that a shit ton of photo shop or a doll?

>>129645784
Let's see what happens when you go to the range and they ask for the tax stamp and serial # of your rounds. all that ammo you bought is useless. and if you get caught with untaxed ammo, it's 15 years mandatory minimum in a fed pen.

>>129645759
>>129646065

Very Little Recoil
And No Muzzle Rise

(hey german dude, keep an eye out for the EU Army shit, any time someone talks about that it needs to be slapped the fuck down - thats like commie SS in the works)

>>129646065
H&K doesn't like selling to the U.S. civ market.

>>129646223
cool

>>129646371

got guns, can make other ppl do my lifting.

>>129646298

Ah, I didnt read that post of yours. Makes sense of course.
I didnt even know that 7,62 tokarev uppers were out there.

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>>129646446
>serial #
>for bullets

Aight, we're officially in troll territory.

>>129646327
that's a horrible argument, anon. you wear earpro all the time? you better think that one through.

>>129634216
I prefer my 12 gage with my own rounds I made for indoor use. I also have my .45. All of my rifles, and carbines are for fun.
>>129633581
>Why?
Because we are allowed to have them. Who says the only reason we need to have firearms is for hunting, and targets. You do realize at the rate the left is degrading society, that we may need them to keep our Safe Space.

>>129641990
No, cheap means you get a basic bitch Barrel and BCG nothing else on an AR needs to be Gucci

>>129646636
Yet here you are arguing about some hypothetical situation where every bullet is taxed 10,000% and where your bolt .308 is a better home defense choice than an AR15.

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>>129646636
>he doesn't have a can

>>129646532

>huehue just because I got guns I will never have to pull a hit comrade behind cover I am so smart

start lifting

>>129646518

I heard that, its not better over here either.
I just hope they will come up with a semi auto variant of the HK433.
This will be the new standard for assault rifles.

>>129646461

>implying we have any power here
>implying the EU listens to us

Europe must burn before we can rebuild, I cant wait for it to happen

>>129646420

Yeah Glock mags would make me buy it as well.
I am not a fan of semi auto MPs or MPs in General though. Except the MP7 for the sake of its caliber.

>>129646624
I don't think so, anon. that legislation is coming, sure as shit, believe it. you can have your guns, as per 2nd, but there's nothing in there about bullets, or, taxing them.

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Why spend so much on an AR-15 when a Mossberg Blaze is reliable, accurate and only $169.99? Pic related.

Confirming that a quality AR can be had for $450. Can upgrade any part in the future if you want, don't be stupid. Same dudes complain about DDR3-1333 vs DDR3-1600. Treat it right, know how to use it. Don't be a loser.

>>129643404
Because that solves what? If 70% of the US is on a watchlist, that watchlist isn't very useful anymore is it?

>>129646875
the can is the first thing to go, no more $200 tax, it's going to be $150k.

>>129635631
no its not. in america 16" barrel is the shortest you can legally have it in all 50 states without a special process of paperwork and fees. anything less than 16" is considered NFA and requires a trust, chief of police sign off, or some other exemption and $200 in taxes and can not be transferred to someone else unless they have completed the same process. and there are a handful of states (like california) that ban them completely and allow no NFA items

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>>129646922
they're fun, interesting from an engineering perspective, but unless you can get a full auto/sbr'd one they aren't the most useful of guns.

>>129635827
>not building your own AR15 for less than $500
Are you even trying?

>>129646546

thats the thing I wish they were more available, its kinda a specialty thing right now

If it had a little more firepower (and I think the "hot" rounds do) it would be perfectly viable as a full on combat/defense round. About as strong as a .30 carbine would do it.

It falls short of that, kinda like a weak .357, but its got the velocity and penetration.

Fact is unlike other PCCs you can probably crank up to 200 meters out of it. Not with the pistol obviously (sight radius is too small) but with a carbine...

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>>129636061
you have these all around you

>>129646972

>Spending 169.99$ when you could get a single shot diy peashooter for around 3$

pleb

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>>129646223

>>129646802
we fought ww1 with bolt action rifles, genius. what do you want, a fucking ray gun too?

>>129633030
Need a source on this please.

>>129646327
> not smashing the 2nd dude's face in with the butt, then working the bolt and shooting him too

its almost like you've never fought the redcoats

> hmm makes me wonder if they have bayonets for bolt actions

>>129647246
Why would you shoot peas when you could shoot molotovs?

Germ, don't be a swede-level cucks.

>>129647295
What kind of fucking retard are you?

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>>129646964
>he doesn't know access to ammo is covered by the second.

>>129647246
I'm surprised germcucks are even allowed to speak about weapons.

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>>129633581

First post bait post

>>129646223
>jeans
Anon you can get quality surplus pants for cheap

>>129647139

>Posting the only one of them I would buy and desperately want to own but its VERBOTEN over here because its foldable

reeee

>>129647215

What you could do is going with an M1 Carbine and an AMT Automag III as sidearm. That would be a damn spicy combo

>>129647268

>no green trump hat in background.

I mean, I guess I'd still operate with you if you have a decent first aid kit.

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>>129646425
>>129645759

its a shit ton of makeup is what it is

>>129647354
I suggest you read it, moron. they can tax rounds at whatever rate they want, and it follows the letter and spirit of 2nd amend.

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>>129646922
>assault rifle
Also,
>mp7

>>129647295
>Cavemen went to war with fucking sticks, genius. What do you want, a fucking sword too?
There are better options than bolt action for any non-long range scenario where you are shooting people. There is no argument to be made where a bolt gun is a better option than a semi auto for a home defense scenario. Will it work to shoot someone? Yeah, but its not ideal for that scenario. Its not hard to understand.

>>129647444

Suburban Warfare. Gotta be rocking banana republics and RayBans.

>>129647337

>not understanding my german """humour"""

>>129647390

>le Europeans cant own guns maymay

meh

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Any burgers with fully autos? Im still trying to figure out the law on it and i know it varies some state to state, can we not buy weapons designed or built after 1986? I heard you can nig rig alot of peices illegally buts its just not the same or worth the trouble

>>129646972
Dat bait!!!

>>129647139
Now see you go and post an awesome unicorn gun and we cant get it. Because its a unicorn.

> .40 would be so sweeet in that... 22 round mags or 50 drums... hard not to get diamonds over this

>>129647623
I'm not impressed by your humor so far.

>>129647477
Spoopy

>>129647577

>HK433
>not an assault rifle

ok

Also the MP7 makes sense because of its useful caliber as an PDW. Pistol caliber PDWs are kind of outdated for any serious scenarios.

>>129646972
The problem is .22LR doesnt cycle well and weapons like this are unreliable.

My dad had a 10/22 and it would jam after about every 15 rounds. Including with a 25 rounder.

>>129647682

That is the point of it

>>129647353
I'm the kind that's going to use my franchise to take firearms from LARPers like you. If you want to shoot guns, go down and speak to your local Marine recruiter, he'll give you more work than you can handle.

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>>129647641
No, here in PA I can own one but I don't care enough to buy a 30 year old AR for 25k just to Have a fun switch. I also don't want to register anything with the ATF

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>>129647562
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It's OK anon, a lot of people don't know anything about American gun laws. Here have a K31 while you read up on them.

>>129647804

My 10/22 50th anniversary runs hundreds of rounds without any hiccups.
Needs good ammo though, preferably CCI

>>129647641

Unless you have 20k to spend, don't waste your time.

But...look up the fostech echo trigger. It's 500 bucks but can put out great rate of fire with practice.

It's also godly for double taps.

>>129646875
>tfw Calicuck
Feels fucking bad

>>129647586
you don't need a fucking machinegun in your house, moron. a model 70 is more than enough and will kill anything walking the earth.

we haven't had a mass shooting event since we banned guns following the tragedy at port Arthur, why doesn't America, supposedly a first-world country follow suit?

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what ted said.

see pic.

>>129647856

Is that an Aimpoint PRO? Tell me about it, I am thinking about buying one but cant decide if I should invest double the money into a micro

>>129647856
Not even True Germans understand the power of the pretzelreich.

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>>129647126

Suppressors literally do nothing wrong. Gunfire sound is reduced to about 130 or 140db in most cases

thats pretty fucking loud, it just has less chance of damaging the shooter's hearing.

the only reason they put them on the NFA is so they could apply additional charges to mafia members who used silenced weapons to conduct hits... trying to put those guys behind bars any way possible.

> when you shoot it indoors its louder, so when they would kill someone it wouldnt mess with their hearing

>>129648106
HEARING PROTECTION ACT

>>129636328
Buy an Anderson lower receiver and build one yourself - you'll learn something and it'll be cheap

>>129647786
Mp7 would be great if your cuck company HK gave a single shit about civilian gun ownership

>>129647562
>implying that retarded shit would make it past Gorsuch

>>129647938
I hope you're not as dumb as you sound, and, have ownership of a firearm. where does it say they can't tax rounds?

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>>129647970
Thanks friend, i got to fire an mp7 at a firing range and liked it alot, felt it would be kinda lame as a semi auto tho same for most sub machine guns

>>129648295
Are you afraid?

>>129648254

I know, would buy one. Unfortunately they dont.

Only can buy HK416/17 semis and G36 semis atm

>>129647336

Every military bolt-action rifle has a bayonet, anon. They were standard issue with the rifle.

>>129647445
Meh both of these weapons would probably top 1-1.5 Grand each

In the united states weapons are supposed to be cheaper. These TT-33s are like $300 maximum, and that AR conversion im not sure about but it cant be too expensive (maybe 1.5K all said and done).

Also it uses PPSH magazines so thats 35 rounds, or the drums, or a really long 60 rounder mag.

I wish they had larger mags for TT-33 but honestly a pistol is a last resort so a few 8 rounders for it ought to do fine.

> New York Reload also... have 2 pistols, in case one jams, or you dont have time to reload.

>>129648299
Mp5*

>>129648064
It's heavy compared to a t-2 but is still a nice optic that has a great battery life (3yrs on 7 but for bright sunlight you gotta turn it up) . I haven't had any problems with it and for about 300$s cheaper it's hard to beat. Better to have a solid but not as modern optic and 1k ammo to shoot then no ammo but a Gucci optic

>>129648106
I have no problem letting you own a can, AFTER all firearm ownership is outlawed. You can use it as a paperweight.

>>129648298
If Saturday night special laws were BTFOd for being unconstitutional then making Ammo prohibitively expensive will too.

>>129648411
Yes, and they're grossly overpriced and fucked up anyway. HK won't even release a non fucked g36, ump, mp5, or anything else aside from the mr556 and mr762 which are priced so high it's a huge joke

>>129648414

Now see here thats why you want an M1 Garand.
> semi automatic
> 30-06
> p-tiiing after 8 rounds, but then they get knifed with the bayonet

>>129647938
>k31
>scope
huh?

Noob question but why would an AR be preferably over say something like an SKS? Isnt the SKS cheaper price?

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>>129648031
Yea you just have mass stabbings and arson. Thank god they weren't shot to death

>>129648295
>implying gorusch isn't a democrat plant

>>129633581
>no one needs an AR.
>No one needs a second car either.
>Decide what I need
>Liberals

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>>129647609
As long as you look cool rescuing those Japanese love pillows

>>129648569
I suggest you do some more research. There's nothing that prohibits the ATF from taxing every round fired at whatever rate they see fit, in fact, the legislation already exists and is ready to be presented.

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>>129648559

Now why would you do a thing like that?

Then the only people who will have guns are the Criminals... (because shady cops will sell them guns on the black market)

And the ones who dont will just use Knives...
And let me tell you honey... Knives have been killing people since the days of Jesus.

Why over there in Britain there were some guys who just carved up some people out on the street with nothing more than knives.

And some crazy dude over in Japan killed like 30 people with a knife in one single apartment complex.

>>129648052

>NEVER AGAIN mthrfkers!
>using the jew meme against them

That's savage. Too bad he cucked. He could have opened the eyes of so many more people

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I want make buy one plox be sendings

>>129648451

wew I can get M1s for 600€ here.

Looking for an Automag for ages though

>>129648550

True. The only thing that really gets on my nerves is that the tightening knob is on the wrong side and maybe gets uncomfy, pressing against your chest.

>>129648597

I dont know why these retards do that, they can make hundreds of millions on the US market olone with that.

>>129648668
Easy to shoot, super modular, easy to mount optics. Takes 30rd mags. Super reliable, not wooden. The list is endless

>>129647133
The barrel in OP's pic is definitely longer than 16". That's a rifle not carbine.

>>129633030
How much for an M4?

>>129648909
I'm a cop, and I don't like the idea of a bunch of toothless hillbillies running around with machineguns. If you want a gun, become a cop or join the Marines, like I did.

>>129648975
> The only thing that really gets on my nerves is that the tightening knob is on the wrong sid

Lol it annoys me so much. I'm considering just getting a lighter mount for it anyway after my novekse build is finished.

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>>129648909
>>129648559

You know the nifty thing they discovered is casualty rates from weapons usually follow a fixed proportion.

With Guns you normally get 30% dead out of the total who are attacked.

But with Knives and Swords you get 50% fatalities.

Knives and Swords are alot deadlier than firearms trust me. When you get up close and personal you can really mess someone up, a neck slash is very hard to treat.

And if common people have guns, when some thug tries to rape you or rob you - you pull out the gun and shoot them. Crime prevented.

> and if people can do this, it makes crime alot riskier... they'll think twice before considering it

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>>129635827

S&W M&P sport 2 was 400 dollars a few weeks ago on slickguns

Accurate, well built, reliable.

It's basic but it's an AR from a reputable company.

>>129633030
who cares, when rguns has bulgy folder unissued demilled parts kits with matching bayonet/scabbard, intact barrel, saw cut factory receiver, and all numbers matching, I will actually be excited

>>129643404
It is people like you that make us buy more of them Obama Jr. It is like the Dems w:-) anting to ban people based on the secret, and arbitrary No Fly List.
We ownin massive amounts of firearms is why the left, and other oppressors can only go so far. It is not the idea of the people using them, it is that we could, and that scares the globalist elitists in DC.

>>129649142
Fuck off captian fudd

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

I'll pass on fighting ZOG wars and enforcing Jew laws. Keep on cucking for the Jews tho

>>129649187

Well fugg I guess have to go for the micro then.
You can be sure these swede cucks put it on the wrong side on purpose to not sell you a too good of an product for that price

>>129648894
I don't think you understand, or fail to care, that making defending yourself, and training to do so(i.e. Ammunition sales or gun sales), prohibitively expensive, violates the 2A directly, and in original concept. Also I believe scotus has already set precedence that Ammo=arms just as much as guns themselves. It doesn't matter what the ATF does. It'll never happen.

>>129648668
sks is a superior weapon to an ar, in every way. you can shoot 1000 rounds without cleaning it, and it will fire every time. ars are for LARPers.

>>129649142
We cant always wait for you or trust you, LA riots were brutal friend

>>129649142
You're not a cop.

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>>129649142

Sorry you feel that way bud, but your job and the power you wield comes at a price. It is a position of humility. Its a dangerous job, it is civil service.

> you serve us

If you're upset that its dangerous, you may need to get another job in a safer line of work. Maybe as a security guard at a mall.

Im serious, if you cant stand the heat its time to get out of the kitchen.

And as a cop I think you would understand the meaning of this phraise:

"when the police are only minutes away... and seconds count..."

Citizens need more protection than just the consequences that the law (may or may not) be able to impose on someone for their wrongs. They need the ability to defend themselves too. Putting someone in jail for killing you doesn't do any good if you're dead.

>>129649365
Neither is a bad choice, ones just cheaper but heavier with less battery life. If you got the money I'd go T-2. I'm waiting on a primary arms ACSS 1x right now to test out. I really wish aimpoint would try out the ACSS concept

>>129633030
So how long till ban states get BTFO 5-4 in USSC? I don't see how the various state level AWBs could pass constitutional muster, especially after Heller.

>>129649496

You can literally shoot thousand rounds with an AR without cleaning it though.
Maybe you just have to spit on the bolt through the port after 500 rounds but thats it

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>>129649660
> he went T-2

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>>129633030

i want but can never have :(

>>129649142
>Bunch of toothless hillbillies
>$25,000 full auto Machine guns
Pick one.

>>129648862
Garand Thumb best boy!

Also like moonbase alpha

>>129649142
fuck off you zog footsoldier

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>>129649660

Yeah my AR is already heavy enough desu, got a pretty fat 11,5" barrel, quadrails and a fat compensator - pic related

>>129649467
>scotus has already set precedence that Ammo=arms
you're pulling shit out of your ass. post the case.

>>129649142
Abuse your power and see what happens faggot. You wear a distinct blue uniform not camouflage. Go door to door and try to take people's guns. You'll get the bullets first

>>129650111
Prove you're a cop faggot. I'm not the one bullshitting everybody in the thread.

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>>129649882

I don't know if you've ever been to knob creek friend but it's almost all hillbillies with far more expensive machineguns.

Though it'd be much more cheaper and effective to just make a auto sear for a standard ar

>>129650144
>>129649947

>falling for /k/ bait

why ?

>>129649762
>You can literally shoot thousand rounds with an AR without cleaning it though.
wong. that type rifle needs to be clean as a whistle otherwise, it. will. not. fire. not even the most hardcore ar enthusiast will deny this.

>>129650310

Stop trolling you nigger

>>129650111
Also here is your case.
D.C. V Heller
http://www.islandlawblog.com/washington-d-c-ammunition-ban-violates-second-amendment/

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>>129650305

Or get one of those binary triggers (Franklin, Fostech).

Two shots at a time but if you've got an itchy trigger finger, its pretty much full auto. And FAR more controllable.

>>129649364
>captian fudd
Top kek, it wasnt until I joined law enforcement that I learned that a lot of officers are fudd tier.

>>129650539

looks like thats not going anywhere

ammo components however... but thats not going to cover produced ammunition

>>129642000
The buff would be the first thing we ground. It's full fuel load is about 140,000 lbs of jp8. The only reason we still fly it is because it's the only plane that can legally cary nuclear cruise missiles.

>>129650310

AK operators union used and abused some daniel defense AR for 5000 rounds before it started having issues.

Which isn't to say you shouldn't clean your AR, what type of person doesn't maintain their weapon?

It'll still shoot if you don't clean it though.

>>129650310
Wanna know how I know you don't have any guns much less have had actual POST mandated firearms training?

>>129650539
you have failed, anon. exactly where does it say in the ruling that ammo can't be taxed?

>>129650672
It locked in that Ammo is protected. Same as guns. Any argument against that is ignorance unless we're talking about Ammo that's destructive/explosives.

>>129646730

I have a 10 gauge. Keep in mind you're going to have to repair the house after you're done defending freedom.

That's why I sleep with a .45 with a folding stock and laser sight and some earplugs. One warning shot and any would-be burglars will be deaf.

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>>129650687

Veterans would know this (lemme see, there's about 12 Million of those, combined with defecting soldiers, and they'd chimp out immediately)...

High chance that will happen actually. They'll know about alot of military assets and tactics that common resistance people wouldn't, and they'd likely be hitting that shit while everyone else was still trying to figure out what was going on and whether the media was lying.

> pic is just something random from my 4chan folder

>>129647336
Buy a cheap mosin. Comes with a huge bayonet

>>129650811
Jesus fuck we've been over this. Taxing something till it's prohibitively expensive for every American to have a right to it is the same as banning it. This has already been tried with Saturday night special laws that were viewed as unconstitutional. This case views ammunition in kind as arms as protected by the constitution. And you're still a no cop being faggot.

>>129650840

>not having a 4 gauge
>not having active hearing protection
>firing warning shots every
>deafening the intruders with your warning shots so they can sue you

4/10 bait

>>129650701
look, anon, I've owned my share of rifles, including sks. if you don't oil an ar just right, it will malfunction. I have a 54 sks that has at least 20k rounds through it and I stopped cleaning it years ago. I can bring that gun to the range and would bet my right hand that it would cycle.

>>129633581
>why though. what are you going to do with an AR? shoot up a school?
No. Shoot your gun-grabbing ass. You take their guns, you take their bullets too.
>After they've been fired from their ARs

>>129650701

and anyways most people cant carry more than about 350-500 rounds of ammo at a time anyway (its kinda bulky if its all loaded up and ready to go)

if you gotta fight full on battle then you're probably gonna have to retreat by the time the gun needs cleaned anyway - and it could be cleaned in less than a minute if you only wanted to half ass it.

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>>129650701
>>129650701

>>129650811

Trump would just sign an EO cancelling the tax on it. You forget who is in the white house, we dont have chimpnigger running the show anymore.

In fact im surprised he hasnt overturned the Russia AK/Saiga sanctions yet. But it is a spicy issue to touch at the moment.

>>129651208

Stop buying/building nigger rigged ARs anon

>>129651030
very simple. post proof.

>>129636240
You just watch Julius Caesar in NYC, you fucking libtard?

>>129651402
This

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>>129650840

Daaamn son.

Did you know you can do the same damage with a 3.5 inch 12 gauge?

Still its impressive having a literal 20mm shoulder breaker (measure it, I believe 10ga comes out to like 19.6mm)

>>129650310
Noguns talking out of his ass on the internet detected

lemme give you a brotip so you can act more like an adult and not a teenaged autist: don't talk about things you don't understand. Don't try to explain things to people when you have no experience with them or any knowledge beyond fudd-tier memes. Don't answer questions you don't have the answer to. You are not "the gun guy", you are just the creeper wannabe gun guy.

Read more, type less. Listen more, talk less. Kid.

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AR for sub $500 is pretty good. I paid $525 for a Diamondback DB-15 (pic related) at a gun show. It has not misfired or jammed once after cycling over 1200 rounds through it over three sessions. It even shoots that cheapo steel case without any problems. Hell, I got a $20 red dot on amazon and I fucking LOVE it. This is a good time for gun buyers. If only ammo prices would go back down.

Just make sure you get an AR that can shoot both .223 and 5.56 NATO.

>>129651030
Post proof. Not your internet-lawyer beliefs. CA currently has an ammo tax and BG check for ammo purchases, and DC v Heller hasn't stopped that

>>129633581

Maintain possession of AR and other weapons as a deterrant to tyranny. Any oppressive movement won't explore that avenue, instead they will do indirect things like take over the banks and media. There will be no Holodomor from people coming to our village and seizing our harvests, metaphorically speaking.

>>129651450
I've posted more proof than you have of being a cop

>>129651867
You have posted none

>>129651676
>Just make sure you get an AR that can shoot both .223 and 5.56 NATO.

whut

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>>129633581
>>129637135
>>129643404

>>129651819

>implying California is still part of the US

oh you

>>129651676
That picture looks /comfy/

>>129651958
Is that hard for you to understand?

>>129651819
Cali will have its day in court. We're talking about federal firearms regulations.

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>>129651867
I'm on duty right now at the Alameda county courthouse. here you go, faggot.

>>129650039

I like it krautbro, cool that Merkel hasn't taken it from you (yet).