Homosexuality: Choice or Not?

>>129303145
Who fucking cares, fag

>>129303313
I probably should have prefaced that I am not a fag.

>>129303405
You made this thread, you're definitely a fag.

>>129303313

fpbp

>>129303145
Some people are born gay, but it's very rare. Maybe 1 out of 10,000. Even then, it's still a choice. Might not be happy being straight, but whatever, still a choice.

The rest of the fags are just being edgy or have been influenced into being gay.

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>>129303145
I may be gay but you are a faggot, OP. You could have at least gone into some depth about your opinions and at least looked up some links for news and scientific sources to back up your claim but no, you couldn't be bothered to post more than a few sentences of limpid bait. I hope you are buggered with a red hot poker.

I'm a rwds supporting gay without a lisp or any sense of flamboyance but people seem to pick up on my penchant for dicks by the tone of my voice or something. My voice isn't very deep.

Being gay is cool, and people want to be cool. So it's a choice.

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far right faggot here

in honesty, im not sure if its a choice or not. my case was kind of odd in that i used to be the typical straight guy, until the other sexuality was there and right in front of my face. then either subconsciously or not, my brain was like "ey fug thats neat"

>>129303405
Op is always a fag.

Also whenever you begin a discussion with "I'm not x, but y," then y invariably proves your status as x.

>>129303145
>homosexuals all seem to have a similar lisp, hand motions and ways of behaving, and views on politics and life in general.
>is being gay a choice
>is there proof

Right now, the same people that ruin a Nobel Prize winner's career for speaking frankly about race are the ones funding studies about gays. Anything that doesn't support (((their))) views about homosexuals doesn't get funded, which means we are still in the infancy of our understanding. There isn't *proof* of almost anything concerning the anomaly of homosexuality, but from all my research and reading between the lines, this is what I've come up with:
>around 1% of the population is born gay.
>the other 2% of self-described gays are the result of environmental factors, such as sexual abuse at an early age
>the ones who have convinced themselves they are gay to bury the pain of sexual abuse seem to emulate the "gay culture", ie lisp, gestures, and ideology, at much higher rates

This is why they are trying to normalize pedophilia now. They want more "oppressed" people to "join the resistance", and fucking little kids, especially boys, makes plenty of new faggots that become pawns of the marxists.

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>>129304099
>>129304242
>>129305121
>far right
>faggots
Haha nah go back to your orgies and mixed drinks

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>>129305450
or try and have intellegent discourse without people like you falling to the lowest part of the puramid :^)

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Queers must be executed, faggots lovers back to plebbit

>>129305450
Mixed drinks are disgusting. I like wine, whiskey and rum.

>>129303145

I think it's a choice of how to respond to trauma.

You get molested, then you choose whether or not you blame God or try to deal with it. If you blame God you become a faggot. Otherwise it's just some shit you have to deal with.

>nearly every faggot was molested, but not every victim of molestation is a faggot.

>>129303145
It's scientifically proven to be genetic

>>129306488
What about gays who were not molested?

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>>129303942

OUT WITH YE DEMONS, YOU HATH RETURN TO THE LORD AND ABANDON YOUR SINFUL WAYS, BEGONE FAGGOTS

>>129306488
>>129306571
see
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>>129306779
>Implying he had a source for that bullshit

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>>129306552
>Scientifically proven

>>129306898
I don't have a source, it's a hypothesis. Until funding can be provided for more diverse approaches to the subject, it will remain a hypothesis. But, that hypothesis explains many things, such as why some people who weren't molested ended up gay.

>>129306552
[Citation needed]

>>129307292
>until funding can be provided for Christian-based discrimination with no root in science.

You just wait right here, sugarplum.

We won't have actual good data comparing gay married couples and straight ones until 2040.

You just WANT being gay to be a choice so badly because it confirms other elements of your worldview, despite no non-religious evidence of it.

>>129307587
Nice projections faggot. I specifically said ~1% of the population appears to be born that way, but even knowing that, you can't just ignore the huge correlation between little boys who happened to get molested that end up becoming faggots. That is the research that needs to be done, and it won't as long as the PC police are funding research.

>>129303145
Sexuality is complicated. Boiling it down to a simple matter of choice is fucking retarded and demonstrably incorrect.

>>129307896
Yeah and you have no fucking source for that.

>>129307935
To add to that, not all gay people are as you described, not even most of them. There are plenty of conservative gays out there.

>>129308036
Do you know any male homosexuals?

>>129306571

In the Bible it says people become gay because they understand that God exists, but don't see fit to acknowledge him as God.

To me it's like God allowing them to do unnatural acts because they have done The Most unnatural thing: recognize the existence of God and dismiss it as an irrelevant fact.

>>129308291
Yup

Doesn't mean anecdotal evidence matters.

>>129308441
>bible
>evidence

>>129303145
>>>/lgbt/

>>129308819
>Doesn't mean anecdotal evidence matters.
How's this for anecdotal?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-homosexuality-revisited/

And yes, anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything, but using it properly can help refine a hypothesis so you can efficiently research a subject. And from the very small body of data that exists, it's reasonable to assume that 2 out of 3 homosexual men you know were molested as children. Me saying that as an anon on a korean clover harvesting site isn't going to convince you, but you taking initiative and asking them for yourself will go a long way.

>>129308819
The word of God is the foundation of western civilization.

If you reject it you are just as bad as any Muslim, faggot, liberal, or cuck.

>>129309214
No it is not. You just want to inflate molestation stats so people cannot say being gay is inborn and therefore discrimination on that basis ought to be restricted.

>>129309214
>it's reasonable to assume that 2 out of 3 homosexual men you know were molested as children.
No it isn't retard. You are pulling that stat from out of your ass.

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>>129309274
>No it is not
>>129309300
>No it isn't retard

Nice argument

>>129303145
Congratulations you just realized groups have cultural traits

>>129309453
You didn't make an argument, you made a blanket statement with no evidence to support it.

Someone post that video of Sam Hyde talking about gays in front of a room full of angry libshits. I can't remember for the life of me what it was called or what it was but it completely changed my perspective. It's all good and well when he's being edgy and funny but then you go to research it all and he's actually right...

tl;dr being gay is a perversion and often stems from childhood sexual trauma/being molested

>>129309758
I claimed the correlation between homosexuals and molestation victims cannot be ignored. I may be slightly off on my 1% claim, but even if I'm way off, it doesn't change the extreme correlation that hasn't been sufficiently explained.

Not a choice. Lifelong celibacy is a choice I made in response to homosexuality, but the fact that men activate my sexual instincts has been with me forever. Wasnt molested, so not sure why.

>>129309910
That gays often fall prey to molestation. Why is that so hard to understand?

Im Gay and your a retard

Delete this thread

>>129310057
That would imply the molesters seek out already gay kids, but in reality the molester's actions seem to be mostly motivated by convenience and proximity.

It's their choice to indulge their unnatural and sick perversions. They need to push their sickness down and stay in the closet or face death.

>>129310287
Nope they seek out gay kids because they are already weaker, more vulnerable, and likely to be more isolated.

With increasing visibility of minor LGBT kids I think molestation rates should drop, at least in the White community. Keep in mind a lot of this happens in minority communities where the gay kids fear telling anyone anyways so it keeps happening.

>>129310287
Im gay and i was molested as a child. Imo being gay has alot to do with being sexually active at an early age.

>>129310541
>my personal story has a wider meaning

no it does not.

>>129309986
There's no need to be celibate mate. Go out and have as much penis as your heart desires.

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I would say the smallest percent are actually "born with it" as the rest either come for psychological fuck-ups in life and also just pure perversion.

No matter how they come to be a faggot, they are still faggots and we should be against them

>>129310573
shut up faggot, the same thing happened to me.

I think of homosexuality as more of a practice than a choice

>>129310402
>Nope they seek out gay kids because they are already weaker, more vulnerable, and likely to be more isolated.
How can you arrive at this conclusion? What data is there to support this? How can you think the molesters are seeking out such a small percentage of the population, basically a needle in the haystack, when in reality it's usually very close friends/family where the molestation occurs.

>>129303145
It just so happens that many gay people ade personality-defficient. Trends and mannerisms spread like wildfire among gay people. Everyone copies everyone copies everyone.

>>129310573
What im saying is that a lot of gay poeple became sexually active at a young age for one reason or another.

No need to get sassy.

>>129310936
I was sexually active at a young age too, but it was with girls of a similar age. "Gay" children are almost always sexually active with someone a decade or more their senior.

>>129310895
That's just my guess but I am not claiming something as outrageous as that 2/3 of gay kids were molested.

>>129310936
You are saying that without evidence and implying that it causes their sexuality.

>>129311022
Never said that lol fucking retard

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>>129311022
>I am not claiming something as outrageous as that 2/3 of gay kids were molested.
>outrageous
pic related

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>>129311324
It's kind of hard to cherry pick when there's so little research that's been done. I'm an atheist, and really have no dog in this fight besides the truth, and I all I want is more research into this reasonable hypothesis.

>>129303145
My belief is that being homosexual in some circumstances is a choice and others it is not.

Childhood molestation and emotional trauma has been linked to homosexuality in later years, being sexually molested is not a choice.

Many people get "gay thoughts/moments" at least once in their life choosing to act on it makes them dive deeper into perversions slowly turning themselves gay.

Studies have shown pornography makes people more comfortable with homosexuality.

Regular porn > Hardcore porn > Fetish porn > Tranny porn > gay porn. It's my personal opinion that porn fetishes if feed enough can lead to total homosexuality and other perversions.

>>129311022
It is called complex ptsd and what most people call faggots are disassociated persons. Not always gay, sometimes the abuse is heterosexual, or neglect/violence/illness/losing a parent etc. They are doomed to reenact their trauma until they have worked through it. Is that clear enough?

You can usually tell at what age they were abused, because it arrests development.

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>>129311518
>You can usually tell at what age they were abused, because it arrests development.
Now that would be a study I'd like to read. I wonder if Jordan Peterson would be interested in doing that in one of his clinics.

>>129303145

I just ask gay people I meet because I'm not a retard.

Most say this "I didnt really pay attention until puberty and then I noticed I was attracted to men" and a lot of them try to be straight first. Had one say he was so ashamed of being gay he tried having sex with girls just to try and be straight. He said he saw her titties bouncing around and didnt know what to do with them and wasnt excited by them so he closed his eyes and pretended she was a guy.

Another guy I asked said he always knew but tried it with girls anyway just to be normal and thought he might be able to do it and repress his homosexual desires but then the girl had her period on him and he was so disgusted by it he just accepted his homosexuality.

Now I dont know about you guys but I dont repress any urges like that. You'd have to be born with them. I dont believe in any religion but yet I'm not attracted to guys at all. So how is the devil tempting them but not me? Fucking retards.

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>>129303145
Homosexuality is either the result of mental illness (thus not a choice) or because of certain social influences such as some loser not getting enough attention or feeling wanted, a desire to be more unique/special and other bullshit like that (thus is a choice).

>>129311730
Wow amazing theory. Have you considered becoming a scientist?

>>129303145
Faggotry is either a mentall illness or a genetic flaw.It needs to be kept in the closet or removed completly from society.
When we let the faggots out what did we get?!Fagg parades and the absolute cancer that is lgbtq,we have 8 year old kids going trans and fagg.This shit needs to get gassed asap.

>>129311730
Wow amazing theory. Have you considered becoming a cunt?

>>129310622
I'd rather have a single mate I can love my whole life from which a family emerges. Blowing guys is thrilling but its not the same by a longshot.

>>129312307

How do you deal with cut dick tho? Blowing cutfags kind of sucks, they're desensitized and take forever to cum

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>>129311504
>Many people get "gay thoughts/moments" at least once in their life

Considering how much faggotry is thrown in everyone's face in today's media, no matter how straight a guy is, it's literally impossible to not have a "gay thought" at some point. Turn on the TV flipping through channels and see outrageous homo nonsense, see the cover of some faggot magazine during checkout at a store, seeing news coverage about LGBT nonsense... can't avoid it.

Of course, there's obviously a huge variance pertaining to how gay a thought may or may not be. Visualizing in your mind the actual act of butt sex is different than some random thought about faggot shit because it's thrown in your face constantly so...

The actual act of faggot sex is horrendously vile and I wish that amongst white people, homosexuality would be looked upon as such a monumentally radical degree of abomination, it would be extraordinarily rare. The more faggots among other races though, the better.

It's a choice to act upon it or not. You can have the desire to suck a cock 24/7, but you don't have to do it.

>>129312446
Lel @ filename

>>129303145
Homosexuality is a sign of mental retardation. Faggots like OP arent humans

>>129312307
Don't do it man. It's not fair to your prospective partner or you.

>>129312526
>You can have the desire to suck a cock 24/7

Speaking from experience?

>>129312647
very well said

What's the deal with bisexuals?

>>129312752

There is literally nothing wrong with appreciating and admiring beautiful uncut dick and wanting to get intimate with it 24/7.

>>129312846
They like cock and pussy. It's not that complicated.

>>129312752
Not really, I am just giving an example. If I wished to suck a cock I wouldn't do it though, because shame is eternal.

I do mire guys who are well-built, strong and who have worked on their bodies, though, but I don't see how that is gay. I just respect them/want to be like them.

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>>129311807

That other anon is correct. You should stop being grotesque faggots and refrain from posting further stupendously idiotic comments, you magnificent dullards.

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>>129312851
Having anything on your mind 24/7 is obsession.

>>129313023

Your vagina has no power here, little snowflake.

>>129303145
It's called the 'faggot taint'

That's how in the old days the saber-toothed cats used to sense the weakest prey. It's a well known fact in scientific circles

>>129312976
Good... but don't ever let that miring turn into anything more faggoty... and if it does, kys asap.

>>129303145
Being effeminite is not being gay but because people assume that effeminite guys are gay they end upfitting the stereotype.
These are the gays you see.
There are lots of gays who are not like that at all (me and my partner aren't but we are bi so might not count). For us, being in a gay relationshipis a choice because women do our heads in for anything other than sex.

>>129304099
This.

>>129313198
>the 'faggot taint'
commonly known as glitter

>>129313163
Go turn on some German Shiza porn while crying in the corner of your room and gtfo you marvelously enormous faggot.

>>129303145

>>129307935 has a good point - sexuality is much more complicated than most people think or admit.

Being attracted to people of the same sex and not being attracted to people of the opposite sex are not the same thing.

>>129309986
Why do you describe the choice you've made as "lifelong celibacy" when your next post indicates that's neither what you want nor what you've done?

I forgot how utterly shite early American hours /pol/ is... Jesus Christ it's embarrassing. There are feminine gay men and masculine gay men, that simple. Now get the fuck out with you're shit thread underage little fag. Sage

>>129313163
You have an impressive level of mental deficiencies!

The human mind can start finding non-human things sexually attractive over time as a part of fetishization. I'd say some gays probably start that way and just reinforce their gayness and some are learned from various factors.

>>129313330
Mah nigga. Spot on

>>129313519
see
>>129313163

>>129313662
see
>>129313758

There are a lot of variables which lead to homosexually. It's mostly to do with upbringing. Many single mothers or those with fathers who work away from home a lot have gay children. This is why so many gay people happened post WWII.

t. Faggot

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>>129313601
>he answers with an unrelated shit remark and proclaim superiorityq
or were you just being gay by choice tu prove your subtle point

>>129313880
So it only makes the kids gay if the parent is single before the pregnancy or the dad works away from home before then as well? Good to know!

>>129313699
What in then flying fuck are you about you dumb fuck? Occam's razor. Stop making shit up just because you can't grasp something. Fucking thick amerilards are the worst
See..
>>129313330

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I was always bi. I'm doubling down on feminization. Going to try dating boys more seriously.
My mind ebs and flows constantly. Masculine and feminine forces vie for power within and without. This season we indulge the other side.

>>129314067
I know where you live?

>>129313758
>>129313838

Lurk much, MUCH more before you ever post again newfag.

>>129314144

Fuck off, fatty.

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>>129305638
>forgetting the top of the pyramid

>>129313892
Fuck off chink

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>>129303145
These people are just trying to emulate a stereotype to fit in with the LGBT-LSD

>>129314144
is someone not banning underages around here
please go make people cringe elsewhere

>>129314190
Considering how incredibly gay you are and are in cuckland Germany, please at least go anally rape as many of those muslim immigrant men as humanly possible.

>>129303313
謝謝你 台玩 #1

>>129308441
God favors men. Women are the downfall of humanity. Women and the snake. Eve, original sin. 52 slimes.

>>129314411

Rape is illegal, you degenerate cunt.

You make me sick.

>>129314295
Sounds like you're in syrup withdrawal, leaf. Go get your tree mining gear and mine some syrup from the nearest maple so you can calm down before posting any more hugely stupid comments.

>>129314543

Hey you <3

>>129314601
Fuck off thin nazi

>>129303145
I think it's a choice. Your first sexual experience is imprinting on your sexuality. That's why child molestation is such a bad thing and creates total fags. I have no such experience, I was never even molested. I have tried both things, a simulated vagina and prostate orgasm from toys, and I find both work to achieve the orgasm. The simulated vagina is different from wagging the willy in the standard way, it is much more intense especially if you are not masturbating every day or doing gay shit. So it is with the anal prostate orgasm. Anal is tougher though, you have to spend a good amount of time practicing because you won't be able to do it without practice. I started with the finger and worked my way up from there and now I can fist myself. Note, do not do this. There is a permanent effect on your anus. No beginner can fist his ass if he has big hands, it just would never happen in one night. But now, you give me one night, and I'll give you a fist in the anus. My conclusion is that such a thing is of course permanent damage. With anal, you have to shoot water up your ass to clean it out else you get shit everywhere. It is really disgusting, requires a lot of practice too. If you want an intense orgasm and can go both ways, there is really no reason to mess around with your ass. Another thing, you know when you cum to something real bad and immediately feel regret? Imagine that but you got a ton of cleanup to do immediately after cumming. It's just plain bad. Maybe get a trashy woman to rim you because that would feel good but that's it. If you really need anal stimulation do what 1guy1jar guy does, which is doing it occasionally and not letting the wife and kids know about it, but otherwise being straight. But once you have sex with a man, that is the point of no return. That experience is imprinted, and you will never be straight. I think the only logical answer is the be straight, for evolutionary reasons. The sex is much better that way.

>>129314628

lmao

>>129314544
Use your degenerate faggotry for something actually worthwhile/commendable and get to raping some Muslim men immediately instead of whining about shit being illegal.

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>>129314589
>you can calm down before posting any more hugely stupid comments.
i thought the flag of fags had rainbow lines this need to be fixed

>>129303405
You refusing to acknowledge you are a fag is the reason you need LGBTQRSTUVWXYZTUMBLRSEXUAL.

>>129314663
Find a stickfag bf yet?

>>129314544
It may be illegal, however, you raping Muslim men would be an extremely admirable action. Do your part anon. If you're going to be a faggot, at least use it for some sort of good.

I'd also recommend that you dip your penis in pigs blood before you commence with the rape. Just make sure those Muslims you rape know that it is in fact pigs blood dripping from your cock.

>>129303145
It's subconscious conditioning, I am heterosexual but I could induce homosexuality in myself if I wanted to. Obviously the layman is moved about by the elements like a leaf in the wind and can only dream of such self-mastery. That would beg the question if for them anything is truly a 'choice', since they can nary explain their wants and needs.

Certainly there is genetic predisposition for it though, and 'acting gay' is simply vile.

>>129315095
>but I could induce homosexuality in myself if I wanted to.
by finally coming out of the closet, faggot?

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Homosexuality is a Choice

>Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is No Genetic
http://www.hollanddavis.com/?p=3647

>Just Over 2% Tell CDC They Are Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/15/gay-lesbian-bisexual-cdc-survey/12671717/

>New Twin Study: People Not Born Gay
http://americanvision.org/8136/new-twin-study-people-not-born-gay/

>No One is Born Gay
http://www.nooneisborngay.com/

>Proof You Can't be 'Born Gay'
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/why-you-cant-be-born-gay/

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>>129303145
Hello,

I am going to answer this question as truthfully as i can.

It depends on your definition of "Choice."

Some people do choose to be homosexuals, mostly woman. The men, however, quite often has a psychological block that prevents us from bonding with woman.

For different people it's different reasons, but essentially think of it as a strong admiration for the realness of a man and the inability to accept the "fakeness" and bullshit of a woman.

This bond is so strong that the concept of woman disgusts us in the same way that the concept of having interracial sex disgust many of you here. And as many of you here, you may find out that not all black people are as bad as the worst of black people and some are better than degenerate white people.

The choice comes into to play: "Do we change our mind completely?" or "Do we continue to live what we now know to be a untruth". In this case, "changing our mind" implies being able to work yourself up to find a girl attractive in the same way that a male can work himself up to find murder attractive.

That would mean that the rate of homosexuality strongly coincides with the rate of murder (any of you can check this) and it really does seem so.

You find out that if this is true, there are more homosexual black men in certain populations than homosexual white men. And, in a culture were some men return to prison so that they can get the best fucking in their lives 24/7 and whatever happens in prison, stays in prison....i think you can see where i am going with this.

The mental affect of changing your world view from gay to straight coincides with the likelihood that you would commit murder. Its why there are a large amount of bisexual and homosexual serial killers.

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I think the Greeks were right about homosexuality in that if you are having sex for pleasure and not procreation, then you are a womanly faggot if you want to take it in the ass or your vagina. However if you want to fuck both vaginas and beta gay bois as the penetrator then you are the dominant not faggot simply fulfilling the pleasure desire.

If you receive at any point you are a gay, beta, feminine faggot, even your girl pegging you with a strap on. If you penetrate you are the straight domineer.

In summary, traps are not gay.

>>129308441
For me, and I posted a long post about my theory here, it is more scientific so take the religion out of it. Catholic church, they could be illegitimate for all you know. Could be Satan worshipers for all you know. All that shit was going on 2000 years ago so who knows. Back on point because I am trying to make an objective point here, it involves psychology and the imprinting sexual experience, which can explain various fetishes, even the most repulsive and autistic vore ones, and I think it can explain sexuality itself. Sure, for me it started out as a new way of achieving master orgasms, but I was young and dumb then and my pron addiction started at a very young age. This whole life experience has not been thought out, it just happened. It is completely pathetic and I don't think I will ever be able to be honest with a woman. I will probably die with no children. I will try to make use of my shitty life by learning new things.

>>129315312
Homoromantic bisexual here desu~ I like guys and I would date and sex them but I'd also fuck a girl if given chance. Just not interested in female bullshit

>>129303145

Everything about naked men other than myself repulses me, so I'm guessing homosexuals don't share this repulsion, whether it's learned or genetic, who knows. It seems genetic to me because learned behaviors can be broken fairly easily, so if this was the case there should be a lot more straight to gay conversions whereas I would say a lot of gay men were never straight to begin with from birth.

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>>129315389

Kill yourself faggot weeaboo weirdo

>>129315000

I don't know what this means and I will not respond to it.

>>129315430
>he thinks being so desesperate to lose its virginity hed even suck a cock means being bi

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>>129315514
>Modern """""""""greeks""""""""

Too bad the ottomans destroyed your ethnicity and culture, you muhammad rape baby.

>>129303145
In my own experience, porn has made me a bit bi. But I blame this on porn degenerating me.

But this is a pure sex thing, men do not make my dick twitch and they don't attract me to pursue them. I do think men can be "brothers" though if you know what I mean. Nothing homo in that.

Fully gay men? Is it natural? Maybe they got confused by their sexual urges from porn or abuse and had no success with women (don't forget a lot of gay men have even been married and had kids, so they were able to get it up for women) and decided to commit to being fully gay. If this is the case they are kind of deluding themselves. However, I don't say all gays are like this, I have no idea how many are.

In general, being gay or straight is not a choice. Same with supporting a sports team or player. You just DO. Something aligns with your personal values and there is no choice in the matter.

As to gay man's mannerisms, I have no idea why they do this. It's probably like accents, you hang around a group of people enough and you adopt their behaviors.

>>129315593
Eh? No way senpai I like guy on an emotional and physical level but I only like girls physically

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>>129315643

Kill yourself gross fat weeaboo manchild faggot

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>>129303145
It's not a choice, you're not born with it.
It is a mental disorder brought on by the environment. Won't deny though, some people "choose" to be gay the same way delusional tumblrites pick and choose their mental disorders.
All in all whether you're pretenind or actually fucked in the head; you're fucked in the head either way.

>>129314651
So are you gay or not?

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>>129315763
Don't forget to eat your ((Greek)) Gyro courtesy of your Ottoman overlords who still laugh at you to this day.

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>>129315430
>>129315593

ive seen alot of faggy kids that turned out faggy

>>129315895
No. I am out and about a lot and have contact with a lot of people, have a job and all. I am not attracted to men. I definitely lean towards women but I think a relationship at my age is a fucking waste of time so I don't bother. Also, I am fucked because a relationship where you cannot be honest will fail, and how could I be honest with anyone? No hookup for me, there is no evolutionary benefit to being a sex god now days with birth control and condoms, it's just a fucking waste of time. I am beta too, not too bad, but no Chad who can't control sexual desires.

>>129315957
>A pic of 2 trannies crying
You got some issues anon?

>>129315514
Oh and trannies are gross, I think I stand with reasonable people in saying I would rather fuck a trap then a trannie who is just a faggot who underwent self mutilating surgery and drug usage.

>>129306552
shit man, I didn't even know science could prove anything! here I thought it could only disprove stuff
go fuck yourself

>>129316171
What sort of job hires schizophrenics?

>>129303145

As a straight man, I've always found this choice question bizarre. The idea of having sex with a man is utterly repulsive to me and the notion that gay men have "chosen" their proclivities from a starting position comparable to mine (in terms of innate preferences) is preposterous. So they must have a strong predisposition for it - not at all surprising, considering roughly half of the human population (women) is wired to be attracted to men and wires get crossed in biology all the time. In order to hypothesize that people choose to be gay, your own sexuality would have to be someone diffuse in order to even entertain the notion that someone chooses their sexual preference (let alone find it convincing). Therefore, I can't help but conclude that people advancing this idea about gays choosing their sexuality must themselves be bisexuals or repressed homosexuals who pretend to be straight and assume everybody else also chooses their sexuality in a similar fashion.

>>129316357
Boys are hot desu

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>>129316197
Nah. I appreciate your comment and i understand what you mean. Separate to that i thought the other comment was funny. But i fucked and combined the two.

>>129316423
>Reminded of the are you fucking sorry greentext

>>129316299
Make a new theory and everyone calls you insane. Except in the modern era, people call you schizophrenic because it sounds more sophisticated. Truth is I have been drinking tonight. Sad huh? People call me autistic, okay I've been to a therapist and I don't have autism, not on the spectrum, and that's verified. Guy said I was a bright lad. No I don't have that mental disorder. The mental disorder I am most likely to have is bipolar disorder. Runs in the family.

>>129303145
The choice argument is retarded. You can't make a choice to like anything. You either do or you don't

>>129316663
Fuck off hetfag you don't know SHIT about sexuality

>>129316299
Oh but to address your question, the job is to bag groceries, collect carts, collect trash in and put it in the dumpster, sometimes I got to bale cardboard, make a cardboard bale and move it with the pallet lift, then I close the store with the floor manager which is when I clean the check stands and put any go backs (when you fucking retard civilians decide that you don't want to buy something that you took out of it's proper place) back to it's designated area. Guy thinks I am normal because I am, just a lil eccentric.

>>129316663
The third party observation of the first party making a decision is the definition of "choice."

>>129316570
Your brain has a lisp.

>open thread
>It's not stefan
dropped

>>129316904
Can you please clarify what you mean by that? Lisp is something to do with accent right?

>>129316958
You seem slow son.

>>129317031
And what leads you to believe that Mr. Quick?

>>129317098
The way you type it feels like your thoughts are not fluid.

>>129317183
And how duth thhat thound lithpy how can thumones brain have a lithp. You mutht be thum thort of retard

>>129317183
Hmm, yes, it is said that people with a lower IQ are more prone to schizophrenia. Can you determine my IQ without a 10 separate brain function test (number resemblance forward and backwards, spacial reasoning, etc)? Are you a verified psychiatrist? Or do you got a case of the ol dunning kruger?

>>129317268
stat his bwain is s-s-skipping beats

>>129317378
schizoaffective then

>>129317391
>Bwain
Go back to special ed

>>129317420
You know what, I bet you spend a lot of time self diagnosing mental illnesses based on psychology today articles. Then, you also diagnose other people. Take it easy my man.

>>129317494
>being diagnosed on reddit is litteraly making him shake
i think psychoanon is on to something

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Both.
Homosexuality occurs in nature, in animals.
There are animals that do engage in homosexual behaviors, but the problem is that we don't exactly know the reasons behind them displaying those actions.

The same can be said for humans, humans can naturally be born like or made that way from (usually) traumatic situations, but there are definitely those who decide to do it as well, simply because they want to be accepted.

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>>129317730
i dont think its fair calling niggers animals like that

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>>129317914

>>129317914
?

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>>129303145
Homosexuality is mostly caused by being molested as a kid. Because they are in a vast minority (1 to 2% of the general population), they pick up characteristics of the gay community which allows them to identify each other.

Closetted guys avoid outward displays of such behaviour, but are aware of these displays in others so that can still get laid on the quiet.

Their political views tend to be more left-wing / liberal as the left-wing / liberals have traditionally been accepting of LBGT+ freedom and lifestyle, far more than the right-wing / conservative factions.

This doesn't mean there aren't right-wing conservative faggots, because their are. They tend to come from wealthy backgrounds though and are much fewer and far between.

>>129303145
You'll also notice that lisp and bodytype in extremely religious people
The ones that have to wrap themselves in another lifestyle 24/7 to fight off their natural urges

Kinda noble I guess

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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is No Genetic
http://www.hollanddavis.com/?p=3647

Just Over 2% Tell CDC They Are Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/15/gay-lesbian-bisexual-cdc-survey/12671717/

New Twin Study: People Not Born Gay
http://americanvision.org/8136/new-twin-study-people-not-born-gay/

No One is Born Gay
http://www.nooneisborngay.com/

Proof You Can't be 'Born Gay'
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/why-you-cant-be-born-gay/

Summary of Scientific Findings on Homosexuality
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/summary.htm

>>129303145
Before I hit puberty, i jerked off to gay porn because I kinda liked it. Then I realised I didn't want to be gay and started looking at POV straight porn with creampies n shit. After a few months I never wanted to look at dudes fucking again.

>>129303145
not a choice but it's a fetish. if you let a fetish rule your life you deserve to be culled

>>129324667
>>129324667
This means I was born gay but turned myself. Also, gay porn was 100% not what I first started watching. It was sex games that hooked me at the age of 10/11.

>>129303145
Being atracted to men is not a choice.

Sleep with men is a fucking choice.

Control yourself you degenerated faggot and find a woman.

>>129322486
It looks like epigenetics are a major cause.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-genetic-homosexuality-nature-nurture-20151007-story.html

>>129303145
Of course it's a choice. Not like they're born with a magnet in their dick that inexplicably pulls their dick into another dudes ass which happens to also have a magnet

>>129303145
It's a learned behavior.

>>129303145
not a choice, but letting it define your personality is

>>129303145

everything is a choice

>>129303405
if your not a fag, why are you studying faggots and making threads on a japanese politics board about it? i'm sure your blushing and feeling very uncomfortably aroused when you fantasize about getting buttfucked by that guy you like. kys

>>129316256
i've been browsing the internet for a long time and still you americans keep amazing me with the depths of your stupidity.

>>129303145
How can anyone "choose" to get an erection when they see someone?

>>129327022
Watch this:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e8_1497046916
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>>129327809
What the fuck did i just watch?

It's 100% a choice.

Unless you manage to rape yourself somehow, or get raped, anyone you sleep with is your choice.

Who you are attracted to is not your choice, but actions define who you are, not thoughts or feelings.

People that say they are bisexual are the worst, if they like both sexes, why don't they just be normal and go after the one that succeeds in producing offspring and furthers the human race?

The animal/nature argument is dumb, animals in nature rape, yet the vast majority of people do not rape. We aren't animals, stop acting like them.

>>129327809
what the fuck

>>129327809
Well that was unsettling.

>>129303145
To be intellectually honest, it's both a biological phenomenon and an acquired fetish with some degree of choice. The degree to which a faggot more of either, depends on the faggot in question.

There's nothing necessarily unnatural about it, though, as similar behavior is very common in bonobos, a close evolutionary relative of humans. (Though NOT chimpanzees, another close evolutionary relative with drastically more brutal male dominance behaviors.):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_izpq0Ar-Y

Is it gay to sexual torture gay person (with consent)?

>>129316357
That may be true to a degree, but gay people do choose to be gay technically. I mean is being gay defined by the attraction or the act? I'd argue you can be attracted to men or boys but still not be 'gay' if you never act on the attraction.
As a straight man have you ever seen a boy and thought he's cute? Statistically I'd say it's more probable that everyone at some point in their life has been attracted to the same sex, even when they don't know it (traps). But is looking at a trap you don't know is a trap and being attracted gay? I'd say it's the gay sec acts themselves that make someone gay, not the thoughts.

>>129331020
Yeah it is

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>>129331069
To be honest, relationships and sex with both men and women (from a man's perspective) are equally gay.
With women, it's all about feely bullshit which is gay and with men, it's gay for physical reasons.
Traps are the only way to have non-gay intercourse and relationships because a) they look like women so being attracted to them is totally straight and b) mentally they are male so they don't care about all that emotional, feely shit.
Loving traps is what real men do, everyone else is a faggot.

>>129331393
You can datIng lesbianS tho.

>>129331069
>That may be true to a degree, but straight people do choose to be straight technically. I mean is being straight defined by the attraction or the act? I'd argue you can be attracted to women or girls but still not be 'straight' if you never act on the attraction.
>As a gay man have you ever seen a girl and thought she's cute? Statistically I'd say it's more probable that everyone at some point in their life has been attracted to the opposite sex, even when they don't know it (cuntboys). But is looking at a cuntboy you don't know is a cuntboy and being attracted straight? I'd say it's the straight sec acts themselves that make someone straight, not the thoughts.

>>129332512
Exactly

If one is born a faggot, then they are, from an evolutionary standpoint, defective. It is a teleological fallacy to assume evolution will necessarily be beneficial, as that defeats the purpose of the "random mutations" point.
However, when one is incapable, by definition of homosexuality, to produce offspring with the opposite sex (as there is no urge to do so), then one will never pass down their genetic lineage. However, that assumes that there is just "one" gay gene, which is not the case (there is no one "race gene", yet race exists). It can be claimed that there is a proportion of the population that might as well be born without the desire to create children with the opposite sex (or, a faggot). That is IF such evidence exists.
The other explanation is that through the acceptance and indoctrination of LGBT and the shift of the Overton window, many youth are subject to psychological abuse and are pushed to habits they never break. (i.e. faggotry). Therefore, they absolve themselves of any agency and claim that they were "born" with no urge to procreate with the opposite sex. This is, from an evolutionary standpoint, a great delusion and borderline psychotic. It is as if I willingly renounce females, then claim I was born to never have those urges. I am mentally ill and fooling myself if I make such claims.
So it is either a biological dead end/useless to the advancement of our bloodline, or psychotic faggots.

>>129303145
It's a medical condition. You can correlate it into chemical development of the womb. Note that most homosexual men have older brothers, this is because the female body during the first few weeks of pregnancy views a male fetus as a foreign object and the immune system attacks it. This results in feminization of the fetus. With more pregnancies the female immune system becomes better at attacking the male fetus. This is why homosexuals have lower testosterone than straight men.

This is of course on average, some women are just lucky and their immune system clues in to the most effective method early.

>>129326506
Kek

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>>129331069
Fucking lol. I've got some bad news for you friendo.

>>129335085
>Note that most homosexual men have older brothers

I'm the oldest brother so why am I gay? How do you explain lesbians?

>>129337634
All men are bi. Some men are so bi that they are gay. All lesbians are heterosexuals in denial. Lesbianism does not exist biologically, mut male bisexualism does. Its common sense really

>>129337984
wat

>>129337984
All women are bi too, to some extent. You're just making shit up.

>>129337634
>>129338280

All sexuality resides within a spectrum between the extreme polarities of feminine and masculine sexuality. Feminine sexuality is attracted to everything that can conquer it (relative masculinity): Masculine sexuality is attracted to everything it thinks it can dominate (relative dominance), even if its other man. For male polarity it's irrelevant what specifically is the object of their sexual domination, as long as they get to dominate it. Female sexuality wants to be dominated exactly by masculine energy, regardless of whether that energy resides in a biological man or a woman.

>>129338678
Also, since feminine sexuality functions in a way that makes it feel most attracted towards opposite (masculine) polarity of equal intensity instead of specific gender, extremely feminine women are rarely lesbians, because extremely masculine women are rarity and only extremely masculine men exist within their preferred area of intensity in the opposite end of the sexual spectrum. But the less feminine women you find, the more likely those women are lesbians, because there are many mildly masculine women and mildly masculine women will feel inherent attraction towards mildly feminine women.

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>>129309882
Here you go, anon.
https://youtu.be/Tt19Vp9uBiQ

>>129338678
>>129339644
proofs?

>>129303145
homosexuality can be something youre inclined towards but for me its a fetish

>>129305450
>>129305450
>>129305837
i want /r/thedonald to leave

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>>129341450

The proof is real fucking life you asshole. Go experience it sometime.

>>129338678
>>129339644

Yes, this is how humanity works.

>>129341915
It really fucking isn't.

>>129303145
"Choice" isn't really important to my way of thinking; that's all part of the "free will" scam, which is part of the "sin" scam.

What matters is that they are sexually reproducing beings. Their sperm does the same thing around eggs as "straight" sperm. One way or another, they're sick and it's all in their heads. NOT to be encouraged. Cull, cull, cull!

>>129341915
That's how humanity goes wrong, how its own instincts misfire. "Masculinity" and " femininity, " what are they? Platonic Forms that exist from age to age? No, they are how a sexually dimorphic species displays fitness. Masculinity is how a healthy male acts, femininity a healthy female. There is no immaterial manlikeness that just any body can step into.

Homosexual attraction is a "false positive" and it does not justify itself. Attraction to members of the same sex gets you a one-way ticket to the eternal winter of genetic death. It is failure. To justify it because attraction is felt is like a fish saying that the real fly is just as nourishing as the fake one with a hook attached. And why not? They're both attractive!

>it's
>a
>trap

>>129308441
>most genes are passed on by siblings and cousins, making the lack of reproduction of the 1-2% exclusive homosexual population irrelevant
>some people have always been wooed romantically and sexually by the same sex and minded their own business about it by keeping it private
>this is somehow "unnatural" because of religious mumbo jumbo spewed by the low IQ part of the population which always requires the most simplified family-centric sociopolitical understanding of spiritual law and justice imaginable to ground and uplift them in their limited and pathetic existence, while actual leaders and the upper class have always had a more nuanced and esoteric understanding of these things and their application in real life
>doesn't matter, internet is egalitarian and the rest of us are supposed to just nod our heads to the chattering ignorant masses who think something is sinful or unnatural because they can't imagine it being relevant or workable in their own life