Hey Americans, we will never pay 2% Fuck You

>>128864828
http://www.focus.de/regional/videos/tragischer-vorfall-in-duisburg-mit-steinen-und-aesten-kinder-quaelen-katze-zu-tode_id_7222068.html


FAHNDUNG : wir suchen die kanackenkinder die für den Tod der Katze verantwortlich sind , hohe Belohnung ; Hinweise auf /pol ab 00°° MEZ ( + ePost Adresse !! )

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>>128864828
Enjoy your turks and rapefugees then.

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>>128864828
cool, but NATO is worthless without us

you can keep your 2%, enjoy getting destroyed in a world war for a third time

>>128864828
That's alright, when we have to come back for round 3 in 15 years or so we'll finish the fucking job.

>>128864828
And we will never put our military forces at disposal for your "European army".

Guess you have to pay now :)

No your new strategy seems to make everyone else do your bidding, including getting armies o smaller EU countries under a national german command.
Fucking krauts, your reunification was a mistake.

>>128865086
>>128865137
you still gonna stay in the NATO, so why should we pay more?

Then why would NATO help you?

>>128864828
Okay so then no more NATO.

Pretty simple really.

But like, maybe you should have thought of that before you actually agreed to it, instead of backing out like cheap cunts. Just a thought.

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>>128865005
they can pay 2%
you can't
you have niggers
you're in a worse position than them
nato won't act on rapefugees and turks anyway
turks are nato

>>128864828

kek

Sounds good. They are all yours, Vlad.

>>128865234
Because you're the one who will need blue helmets on your streets when the muslims start the civil war.

>>128865283
agreed to what exactly?

>>128864828
Have fun being both a Russian puppet and an Islamic Caliphate

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>Y...yeah f...fuck off USA i'm a strong and independent country

>>128865377
>he says, while there are literal race riots in his country

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Germony is the biggest cancer on the planet on par with Islam

>>128865377
Blue helmets are not NATO friendo

>>128865466
Germany*

>>128864828
that's ok, as the new leader of the free world you'll be pumping 30% of your GDP toward domestic social programs and another 30% to poor 3rd world countries.

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>>128864828
Then at least buy lots of lube for when the roaches or Rooskies invade, cos you're on your on your own now, Hans.

>>128865306
This

>>128865086
>>128865377
Sure, give us oil and gas mining rights in the areas you "liberated" and we'll be sure to send some of the resulting money your way.

Oh you don't want to? Well, your profit, your invest.

>>128864828
>Hey Americans, we will never pay 2%
Why won't we? Id rather give money to NATO then the """""""""refugees"""""""""".

And on the occasion of reinvesting in the military we should really get our own nuclear weapons program. It seems like a good idea and is perfectly in line with relying less on the US.

>>128864828
That's right. You won't even pay for your own defense. You'll start WW3 trying to conscript a bunch of periphery Euros to fight for you, since your country is a bunch of cowards looking for mud dick.

>>128864828
Well fuck you too. You can pay me in whyte wimminz then. I heard they are easy to catch over there.

>>128865917
Why pay for a service that US provides for free?
Doesn't make sense to me

Fuck NATO

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>>128865763
Don't forgot about our very own Michael Fallon

>>128864828
hey germany,
we will never take your quota
fuck you

>>128866030
This.

Americans are so cucked that they gladly spend their tax moneys for our defense. This is not going to change as long as they want to play world police.

>>128864828
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/26/trumps-article-5-omission-was-an-attack-against-all-of-nato/

hey america we will not help you when you screech articel 5. chances are very high you loose one or two CBG´s in a few days.

Oh and dont even think using EUCOM after centcom is down you get BTFO in a instant.

Its your problem not ours.

>>128865763
Is UK paying the 2 % tribute?

>>128866251
Don't encourage him Finnlander

>>128866113
>>128866326
>Britain = 2.21%
Hans BTFO

>>128864828
Suck my dick o wait I have something better suck Russia's dick

>>128866030
The whole point is that they are thinking twice about that.

Now you have to worry about how to defend yourself and provide enough gibs for your New Germans at the same time.

Better wagecuck even harder to pay those taxes Hans

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>>128865786
because it frees up US forces that in return produce more refugees finance terrorist and fuck us over even harder.

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>>128864828
PAY! I need you to be strong!

>>128864828
what incredibly cheap bastards.

>>128866395
And that's going to grow by 0.5% every year

>>128866395

>Tommy: "Hans is tot"
>hans: " Tommy is tot"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4580754/Female-nursery-worker-stabbed-three-women-London.html

so how are the 2.2 protecting you and will you regulate the internet more now?

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tribute, yeah thats the idea!

here is one of the totally un pc games we had as children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qE1arvo3U

What do I care? Hopefully we pull out of NATO and leave you all to rot. Europe is lost, a hell hole taken over by the Mohammeds. It would be awesome if Poland, Romania, and Hungary managed to save themselves. They seem to be the only ones with balls between their legs.

>>128864828
but you have to hans

>>128866653
Trump OWNS NATO, we'll be fine! Meanwhile buy more lube for your women, make sure it is goat flavour to please Achmed.

>>128866653
Were going to start deporting on Friday hahahaha

>>128865260
why would Germany be scared?

Funny that this post affirms Germany's bitch status to the world. Way to go, Germany!

>>128864828
>Germany is the new Greece

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>>128866368
Well he is right though, thats the whole argument for not paying. If the threat of the Usa leaving Nato was emminet, everybody would pay up.

>>128866887
Trump owns nothing ahahah,
Anything he dose is smacked won by his own people and by allies.


ahahah that delusion.

america is on its own get rekt loosers.

>>128867184
Invade Germoney pls

>>128864828
Enjoy the invasion and rape then, cheap ass faggots.

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>>128864828
well Fuck you Too@!! And Fuck your multicultural diversity!!!!!

>>128865424
kek

>>128867389
What for?

>>128866887

UK doesn't have anything to worry about. Even if our Gov doesn't want to get directly involved, individual Americans would volunteer to assist just like we did back in the day.

Germany on the other hand can rot in the shit filled gutter it's made for themselves.

>>128867184
Thats what they hope will happen.

>Muh scared euros
>So weak
>They will fold in
I cant stop laughing.

America needs NATO, NATO dose not need America.
Thats the most funny part.

>>128867494
Thanks, son, Dad loves you!

>>128867556
Germany should just get nukes

>>128867394
What country is going to invade Germany though?

I mean, they're in the EU, which is a way better defense treaty than NATO (you don't have to send your children to die for the US in retarded wars for example), and their military is actually pretty good these days.

Germany doesn't have any enemies. Except for the last eight years when Obama's guys continually fucked with them. Which is why I find it so weird that Trump is such a dick to Germany. Germany got shafted by Obama, and Trump is now mad at Germany for Obama's belligerence.

The Ukrainian Civil War? US democracy training by Hillary Clinton. Syrian war? Guess!

The only shitstorm that isn't Obama's fault is the fall of Ghadaffi, but that was the French Jew President's thing.

The hateboner you faggots have for Germany, I will never understand.

And let's just be clear. The 2% thing is something the Americans want the rest of NATO to pay so that we can all die to protect the Baltic states. Who the US insisted joined.

First you had them join and now you want us to pay for it. Why do you think that the Germans are resistant to the idea?

>>128864828
PAY DENBTS

>>128866418
the usa will never allow white nations to defend themselves

>>128867556
Nobody is going to invade Germany in Europe, nobody could invade from anywhere else in the world because Germany just in the middle of Europe. I don't understand why Americans think that Germany needs big military at all.

truth is we would do it for free. but you really should pony up. and stop being a dead beat.

>>128865786
>we should really get our own nuclear weapons program
Long overdue. The representation at the UN security council reflects the geopolitics of the 1950s (not that I have a good opinion of the UN in teh first place).
We should also invest our budget surplus to a good part into our military and border defense and cut down foreign aid. Germany has to harden up and get rid of the feely sentimentality towards all kind of faggots who do nothing but dwell in their own feces in their shitty countries.

>>128864828
I hope Russia annexes you and we can start a NEw hegemony

>>128864828

boy it sure is sad all these terrorists blow up in europe!

how unfortunate noone will stop them till they pay their debts!

>>128867987
>if we show the slightest amount of spine, we'll turn into nazis!
They would never do that.

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>>128867556
i wish infact how about you guys over the pond go back to fucking around in world affairs like you used to. And we go back to being an isolationist country like we were supposed to be. That's why so many fucking people came over here in the first place is to get away from this Bs so yea fuck world policing i wanted to live in peace away from the bs, not have our country directly involved.

>>128868093
They're urging the rest of the EU for an EU army. Wonder why.

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>>128864828
Have fun you Nigger.

>>128867556
>America needs NATO, NATO dose not need America.

OK we'll pull out and stop funding you faggots

>>128868287
why not?

>>128868157
SAD, https://archive.is/JsPnv , germany getting nukes would be a really good solutions, but GERMAN people dont support this. GERMANS DONT SUPPORT THIS https://archive.is/JsPnv

>>128868151
>Country of 140 million annexing a country of 80 million that is five times as rich
Uhm, sweetie, not gonna happen

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>>128864828
Just a reminder, if NATO was to dissolve tomorrow, the EU remains undefended and unarmed

Two options:
>1) Russia annexes Eastern Europe and establishes countless monopolies in the Western Europe
>2) Option #1 doesn't happen and the EU joins SCO instead (for minor concessions like Ukraine), receiving the economic benefits of China and BRICS preferentially trading with them before the US

Obviously 2) is going to happen as the EU would instantly join it, but even if that wasn't to happen, 1) still expands Russia to Soviet levels. Suddenly the US can no longer play world police because the Soviet Union is back, minus communism, plus China, EU and India on its side.

So when you see an amerifat claiming that you owe him anything for his shitty alliance, tell him to go fuck himself because we have options, options that are able to bring the US down once and for all. This is why their politicians want NATO and will never disband it - they know this as well. NATO is no charity designed to help Europeans, it is designed to repress us from allying with Russia and establishing the Eurasian Union

>>128865400
The explicitly non binding agreement to want to eventually increase military spending to 2% of GDP some undetermined time in the future, so as to assuage Ukraine's fears.

That thing.Do you actually think that the US media tells the US public the whole truth? He just doesn't know these things.

>>128865763
Germany wouldn't actually need NATO. The EU, without Britain would be more than capable of stomping any Russian invasion into the dirt.

Germany calling on France, Spain, Italy and Holland would have a more competent high end force than the Russians. The Russians would have more stuff in reserve, but they don't have the numbers to overwhelm.

And I guess Poland is retooling to the 21st century too, but they're not quite ready yet, but if we add in Poland then Russia's advantage in cheap old obsolete shit diminishes rapidly.

Germany doesn't need NATO, because the EU is actually a defense pact as well as an economic pact. Germany has fixed a lot of the problems in its army since 2007.

You on the other hand, have the third or so most powerful navy in Europe. After the French and Russians. YOU need NATO. You couldn't fend off a French invasion if you wanted to.

>>128868451
Why would you even want to be in the SCO though, Russia and China are fucking shit

Not even saying this to suck American dick but looking at the situation objectively even with all the Jewing and faggotry America is still a better country to be allied with than Russia and China both of which are cancerous polluted corrupt shitholes which need to be irradiated yesterday

You will pay with either 2% of your GDP or 100% of your lives.

Why do yuros cry about Trump pulling out of the non-binding Paris deal but refuse to contribute anywhere near their promised amount to NATO?

>>128868451
EU isn't unarmed. Don't forget France is a nuclear power and Germany alone could afford to maintain bigger army than the developing country of Russians if it came to that.

>>128868287
you dont fund us faggot and yes pull out get the fuck out take EUCOM with you take you logistic bases and airfields and get fuck out. you have 3 days, should we send you a eviction note?

you are not sending one dollar to Bundeswehr retard. We have our domestic production outclassing anything you ever fielded.

now, there is the door and dont get hit when you leave.

>Europeans generally don't give a fuck about Russians anymore
>Russians generally don't give a fuck about Europeans anymore
wow scary

in the meantime Turkey is ramping up for Qatar. How about you Americans kick them out first?

>>128868672
>Why would you even want to be in the SCO though
It's an anti-American alliance with the end goal of taking the only ally of the US that keeps the US alive - Europe. If the US drops us due to their own selfish interest and their desire to dissolve us because we've become too powerful, why would we EVER decline such an offer?

>>128868575
>Germany has fixed a lot of the problems in its army since 2007
It's still pretty bad

>>128868886
Well through nato you tend to participate in wars you wouldnt usually have a stake in.

>>128868451
and thats why you are retards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union

and we have the our own EU wide defense agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy


now fuck off tyrone, you gota go back.

>>128868885
people forget about the massive industrial power europe has. It would not take long at all to switch over to military production

>>128868451

>Just a reminder, if NATO was to dissolve tomorrow, the EU remains undefended and unarmed

are you sniffing glue m8

The EU countries alone have several times more man power and military budgets that Russia.


If we actually cared enough, we'd be a USA tier spender on mil. tech.

>>128868973
This, Turkey's leader is threatening Europe with bioweapons and terrorists and Trump doesen't say a word about them. He really loves Middle Eastern people.

>>128869019
>Europe keeps US alive
Kek is this the bedtime story they tell you yuropoors so you don't kill yourselves out of irrelevance

>>128865160
>Macron says otherwise

Your Germanys bitch now

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>>128864828
Pay the 2% on YOUR OWN FUCKING MILITARY you worthless cunts. It's not like we're demanding money from you. We're kindly asking you to not be deadweights in the alliance. Holy shit. Estonia can do it. Why won't you?

>>128865377
Lmao what the fuck is this even

America is BY FAR closer to a civil war than any other country in the West. Blacks against whites or lefties against reactionaries

>>128868575

>This much delusion.
kek!!

>>128869226
If we're so irrelevant why'd you even start NATO? OH yeah, that's right, to keep your war industries running.

>>128868885
>>128869036
>>128869123
Again, you're forgetting something very important - China is in the alliance as well and have a defense pact between themselves. If a war ever erupted, China *will* be dragged be it directly or indirectly.

India quite soon as well. There are rumors that Turkey is about to drop NATO in favor of SCO as well. It's not as simple as you think it is because we're surrounded by potential enemies. It's better to just join them.

>>128869086
EU in its state now out matches Russia and america.

In fact we have to much troops. with a united military we could cut half of the military while simultaneously tripple the effectiveness.

Russia has a active miltary of 450k, why the fuck do we have to overpay guys that sit in barracks and do nothing?

give that money to police, schools, Universitys.

A united EU is force to be recon with.

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>>128864981
Germany has full blown cuck syndrome. You Sweden, France and Britain will be part of the middle east soon. But don't ask us to save your asses. Pay your fair share and stop acting like jews.

>>128869352
China is a US problem, they are not a enemy of the EU or EU nations. fuck they didnt even once do anything aggressive against us.

So tell me again tyrone, why should be china a enemy of the EU?

>>128868886
useless german cuckboys dont pay shit. Big daddy America has to pay for your protection. fucking cuck faggots

>>128864828
Good. Hey disband your army too.

>>128868973
>0 American replies
I guess this doesn't fit the glorify trump narrative huh? But Germany is the bad guy? lmao hypocrites

>>128869395
>be annexed by US
>scared of Russian invasion

I always thought Germans are smart

>>128869541
>So tell me again tyrone, why should be china a enemy of the EU?
Because they're in a military alliance with Russia, the enemy of the EU, you fucking retard

It's not an "EU vs Russia" scenario, it's EU vs all of SCO + Turkey

>>128869559
Your the one getting cucked protecting others FOR FREE

>>128869472
The UK pays the correct amount you fucking nigger, try using your brain.

>>128869306
Should've let you all be swallowed by Russian commies, that's our only fuckup in this entire shitshow

>>128869559
What protection and against who idiot?

All you do is use Europe as a future battlefield to save your own asses.

This will end now. No Thaad no future battlefield, US Citys will burnd US citizens will die in the future on US soil. Not EU citizens.

You are a safety hazard to have around.

>>128868451
you forgot the middle east like israel and the saudis

saudis are already making their move since they bought trump, and he basically gave syria to putin

if nato falls, which trump is hellbent on achieving, shit will hit the fan so hard, its hard to imagine a non nuclear scenario playing out

>>128869086
Yes and Europe or EU will still have 3x the population of Russia even after UK has left. I wouldn't expect an invasion from Russia anytime soon.
Better industry, better infrastructure, better purchasing power and more work force. Europe has enough of everything to defend itself from Russia even if America left today.

Immigration is the only foreign threat to Europe and NATO's wars have only made it worse.

>>128869807
Germany you've been a safety hazard for Europe the last 100 years you fucking faggot

>>128869822
>if nato falls, which trump is hellbent on achieving, shit will hit the fan so hard, its hard to imagine a non nuclear scenario playing out
True

It's so sad that humanity is so fucking immature and acts like absolute niggers when such weapons exist. Maybe we deserve extinction.

>>128869306
Without the us you would suck russian dick on a daily basis fuck off

>>128869641
you get that one wrong.

>>128869685
Russia is no enemy of the EU and to be precise even now Germany and Russia enjoy best relations.

With america gone from Europe Russia has no reason to do anything against Europe as Europe has no incentive or reason to do anything against Russia.

The problem is america not Russia or China.

>>128869617
I don't give a shit if Germany doesn't pay their share. Rest assured, America isn't paying for everyone else anymore and that only leads to a weaker NATO. I am in favor of this actually.

Also, why don't you deal with Turkey, Colgate? You're waaay closer to them than I am.

>>128865496
Germoney

>>128869938
Calling out the juden makes the juden angry. keep that always in mind.

>>128870102
Grüsse

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>>128864828
You've got nothing work saving so it works

>>128864828
SAGE Stupid, fake, gay, etc.

this has to be bait. go kill yourself op and everyone whos pro-nato/UN

>>128870193
GSG-9 are on their way right now to your door for that anti semitic post, remember to accept more refugees faggot

Can we just fucking disband NATO already? The only countries I care about protecting are Five Eyes. Canada, UK, New Zealand and Australia. All the other useless countries can burn.

>>128865306
>you have niggers
where? Melilla?

Also, I would say that africans overall are better than rapefugees.

>>128870111
>Tries to be the worlds leader
>can't take out one inconvienent country JUST because Trump is trying to stick it up Erdogan's ass

lmao

>>128869395
You guys honestly think the EU military could beat the American Military? You do realize that it's not just about size and riches. Experience, vehicles, weapons, etc. are also extremely important and we out class you in almost everything on that. Not to mention you have the logistical problem of being a coalition of nations

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>>128865763
>Polish defense minister
He a good goy

Also no gay porn on other tabs meme because i'm a lazy fuck.

>>128870387
cool i make them Coffey.

>>128868093
>nobody could invade from anywhere else in the world because Germany just in the middle of Europe
what the hell are tou talking there, Ivan? Germany always had to have a big military force BECAUSE we're in the middle of Europe and had to fight on several fronts.

>>128868451
Just today the EU released a strategy paper for a EU defense budget. Things are coming along much quicker than people would have admitted before the Brexit vote.

https://euobserver.com/foreign/138141
>The EU budget should be used for military research and the bloc could become a defence alliance akin to Nato, the European Commission is poised to say.

>>128870694
yes without a problem as you forgot on how to fight a conventional war at all. you are all coin nothing more thats your pentagon on the army.

No experience means shit in conventional war with high tech army ´s, you wont live long enauth to make us eof it in lower echelons.

You to young to know but in cold war time you life expectancy was something around 15 seconds as Infanterie solider upon enemy contact.

Yes I am utmost convinced that we kick you shit in.

>>128870519
>Also, I would say that africans overall are better than rapefugees.
have fun getting AIDS and cancer from Somalia, cuck

>>128868451
Typical European. This attitude is why were erasing you from existence.

>>128866418
Oh God. You think that they imported the shitskins because they wanted to give them gibs.

That's hilarious. No, they imported them after the Turks started to get uppity. So now they have two populations that hate each other and are only good for minimum wage slaveshit labour.

In Germany, Arbeit truly macht you frei from Assad. :^)

>>128867987
That's 15 years or so into the future. You already have all the tech in cheap off the shelf components thanks to the ESA. You just have to up their budgets a bit and you have ICBMs. The only reason you don't have MIRVs ready to go is that you don't need them yet.

>>128868254
Do you want an honest somewhat in depth answer to that question?

The tl;dr is "because it's in the economical interest of the entire EU to do so".

Let's break it down a bit shall we?
Most of the EU is already in NATO, so there's no rush in getting this shit done. Furthermore, there are serious hurdles to this shit ever getting done, and let me show you two of them first:

> The US will fuck the EU if it can
We saw this relentlessly under Obama's administration. Ukraine. Arab Spring. Syria. Iran.Libya. You had ZOG fingers everywhere. It's kind of amazing how bad it was.

I hope that under Trump, the US will do less of the whole schtick where they undermine the EU for shits and giggles.

If the EU did unify its militaries under a singular chain of command, then they would become a superpower overnight. Not one that could invade other places outside the middle east, but the USN would actually have to ask them politely to cross into the Mediterranean for example. Forcing the matter would be too expensive.

Then there's all the issues of who gets to boss people around. In NATO this is very simple. There is the US, who call all the shots, and the helots, who do as they're told. This is why France kinda don't like being in NATO btw.

Anyway, such a new setup would need some way of controlling it.

>>128871104
Easy there cuck fuck your warrior genes died out at ww2 your peoples defense force is a joke you just should have been absorbed by another super power and never allowed to think for your selves again at least the japs have some sack

>>128864828
>Germany's Army is useless and underfunded
>Nato not funded
>OP completely Okay with it.

You are such a fucking idiot.

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>>128871552
>This attitude is why were erasing you from existence
The only ones who you're erasing from existence is yourselves, fellow deluded american

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I'm tired of involving ourselves with Europe.
In all honesty, why not just create a new security pact but only involve those who genuinely pay %2+

So, that'd be
>Greece
>Britain
>Estonia
>Poland

And, if you want to secure the pacific then Japan + South Korea would be included.

>>128871253
I'm not talking about somalians, I'm talking about subsaharian africans. Like Nigeria, Ghana, and so on.

Also why I would get aids from somalians? Are you implying that I would have sex with one of them? Are you nuts?

>>128868789

>Why do leftist cucks bawl their eyes out when a conservative politician does something right wing, but not when he does something left wing?

Answered your own question there mate. Also, they aren't doing it to influence YOU. They're doing it to influence US.

>>128869024
Yeah, but compared to 2008? It's pretty good compared to 2008.

>>128869268
They can, but they have no reason to. The US are the ones that invited Latvia into NATO, without first sorting out the whole "don't let ethnic Russian citizens vote" thing.

It's also not part of the deal. It's not part of being in NATO. It's not something you have to do at all. It's just something that American commenters like to pretend that we're supposed to do, but the truth of it all is that we don't.

Also, 2% of Estonias GDP gives NATO a tank and three hand grenades. 1% of Germany's GDP gives you brigades' worth of army.

>>128869300
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>>128869641
You realize that the US have been shitting on the EU for 8 years under Obama, right?
To not see the US as a future enemy is about as naïve as invading Moscow in November in swimming trunks.

>>128870102
But Russia would get soundly defeated if they tried to attack the EU. The polandball is retarded and does not reflect military realities.

Anyway, I need to continue my fuckhuge effortpost. But I do ask our Ameribros to remember that you're ZOG. Zionist Occupied Government. Given that you're taken over by the Jews, why should we trust you?

>>128871829
at least form a proper sentence, what is it with this reddit tier rambling coming from burger flags making americans look retarded

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>>128865453
Our country is pretty big krautfag. There are going to be problems from time to time.

>>128872471
>They can, but they have no reason to. >The US are the ones that invited Latvia into NATO, without first sorting out the whole "don't let ethnic Russian citizens vote" thing.

>It's also not part of the deal. >It's not part of being in NATO.> It's not something you have to do at all.> It's just something that American commenters like to pretend that we're supposed to do, but the truth of it all is that we don't.

>Also, 2% of Estonias GDP gives NATO a tank and three hand grenades. >1% of Germany's GDP gives you brigades' worth of army.

ahahahahahahaha

>>128864828
Yuros are so fucking gay and the germans are the absolute faggiest of the bunch. I hope your mother gets raped by a pack of pozzed niggers.

>>128872098
This.
Our military is our greatest export. Don't pay for it, don't get protection. Run this like it's the mafia.

>>128872585
and yet this small continent outnumbers out produces and out guns the US in whole.

>>128872471
>Giving a cogent argument to a literal RETARD.
>Not wasting my time.

>>128864828
пpивeт

>>128867494
>just like we did back in the day.

and what a wonderful decision that was

>>128872840
What? You cannot honestly believe that,

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>>128872471
https://archive.is/8lSiF

What were the mayor issues in 2008?

>>128864828
This.
We're not going to pay a dime either.

>>128872585
by the way your 14 million Texans are shit compared to our 86 million Germans.

kek lots of hot air

>>128872001
Tell yourself whatever makes you feel better about it. In 50 years your language wont even be spoken.

>>128873081
you nation wont exist in 10 years, caliexit, texit, succession of southern staates. you got by far more to worry about then Europe. once again in this tiresome times Europe stands rock fast while you wobel like a sharting fat burger in walmarkt waiting for the next discount.

>>128868041
I agree but regardless of the rest of her political career Merkel killed all hope I had in Germany with the migrants.

Unless she goes full 14/88 we need to realize Germany as we know it is gone in 30 years

>>128871757
Aaanyway, so what are the main fucking good things about such a force?

> It gives Germany a way to give gibs and jobs to people in retarded EU countries without having to go through said retarded country's government.

Let's pretend that Greece had a retarded government. I know it sounds unrealistic but let's just pretend. Greece is fucked long term because they need more money into their country, but the EU can only help them VIA their shit-tier government.

But now, the EU can raise EU military forces in Greece. Perhaps a massive coast guard. Perhaps they want to increase the EU Navy so that they can force Turkey to let Greece develop its massive oil fields. They can now do that. And the Greek government cannot just take the money and spend them on hookers and olive oil.

It also gives the EU a more nimble military infrastructure. If the Russians are getting cheeki in their breekis, the EU can deploy forces immediately to reinforce the local countries. This gives a greater sense of security.

Thirdly, it means that the EU could start to standardize on ONE tank, ONE rifle, ONE fighter jet, ONE howitzer platform, etc. etc. This would take a long time, but it would make a lot of military materiel cheaper, meaning that you get more for your euro.

This would take a long time to implement though, but the long term benefits are pretty fucking good too.

There are in other words loads of benefits to having an EU military force. Especially today where you need a lot of money to get a good army, you can't have a lot of small armies that don't do much at all and get something good for your funds. That's kinda the problem with muh Estonian army that has 2.2% of the GDP. It gets you literally 2 light infantry brigades. That would get rolled up by Russian counterparts in any real war. It's just not nearly as efficient as having an EUwehr.

Of course the real problem with this is that the EU would suddenly be standing on its own as a separate power block to the US

>>128868117
France keeps on offering you guys half their nukes every 10 years or so

>>128864828
I don't mind paying, but in case of an attack you best believe aint noone going to help us

>>128868451
SCO has to deal with Indian and Pakistan
That is like a thousandfold worse version of the Greek-Turk relationship.

Its not the worst option, but it doesn't seem stable

>>128873060
Our Texans are only half as autistic as Germans, and twice as bloodthirsty.

>>128868973
Honestly if not for the Bosphorous we could probably kick out Turkey. Its valuable for its location first and people second

>>128872708
I have no idea why you posted this. But you know it's true, right? That's the scary thing. There is this retarded meme that Estonia is a great NATO member because they pay 2.2%. Yeah, but they open up a completely indefensible front we'd now have to hold and they don't raise nearly enough troops for NATO for it to be worth it. The whole Baltic retardation was just that: Retardation. It's bad for the rest of NATO. So why even let them in if it makes the military situation worse?

>>128872815
Yeah, we know it's your greatest export. You sell military equipment for billions of dollars after all. Which you wouldn't do if NATO wasn't a thing. People would've bought less American stuff and more European stuff.

Try to see longer than your own nose here.
Also, the only countries that pay a lot into their militaries are the ones that reckon there might be a war. Allying yourself with those only seems counterproductive.

>>128872882
>>>/b/

>>128872977
The leadership sucked balls. The soldiers weren't bad, but everyone above the rank of lt. were unable to lead a virgin to a whorehouse.

Then there's the political coinage being minted on fucking with the army, and the cultural effects of looking at the army like a force for evil. But those are fading fast on their own.

As some examples of older German problems, I bring you the German QRF.
http://www.dw.com/en/germany-takes-over-quick-reaction-force-in-afghanistan/a-3451110

The German colonel denied the Norwegian QRF forces their request to assist US forces that had come under insurgency fire. Because they hadn't gone through the proper channels. The Norwegian QRF told the German colonel to fuck off, and went in anyway, and saved the day. Yay!

That is the kind of attitude that cripples militaries. There were a LOT of angry words exchanged behind closed doors, and a Norwegian became the acting Colonel instead.

Then there's the German Political Class and their quest to throw out the current rifle with a new one.

>>128864828
>Hey Americans, we will never pay 2%

Then we don't need to give you a free ride any more. I don't care about Europe. Europeans are enemies of the white race and worse than niggers. Burgers should stop larping about EU whites because you are race traitor Islamophiles and the sooner you collapse in niggerdom the better.

>>128874325
Not an argument, Achmed!

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>>128873426
>EU can raise EU military forces in Greece

Νο need for this.Already is happening.

Greece has the largest and biggest army in the EU right now

>>128873308
fucking kek, the usa has been a nation longer than germany and you just got bitch slapped by brexit. calm the fuck down ahmed

>cant pay for defense
>can pay for ahmed and his jihad brothers

>>128865234
>you still gonna stay in the NATO, so why should we pay more?

Reduced US investment means you'll have to work out defending NATO borders against non-linear war yourselves. You don't even know what that means or involves.

>>128864828

>Hey Americans, we will never pay 2%

next day truck attack

>s-sorry master i will pay

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>>128872840
Youre being sarcastic right?

>>128868789
Because they hate NATO and see it as pointless, which it is. There is no threat to Europe it hasn't chosen to import.

>>128864828

Flint, Michigan didn't pay their bills either, and look how that worked out for them.

>>128867184
>why would Germany be scared?

Your comedic timing is perfect, Ivan.

>>128866251
>they gladly spend their tax moneys for our defense

Bro I'm not sure you have your head around our new zeitgeist...

>>128864828
Then you will pay 100% at the hands of your future mudslime overlords.

>>128872558
>at least form a proper sentence
Take your own advice blocnigger.

>>128870110
Keep telling yourself that.

>>128873541
Yeah, but they are frog nukes.
Seriously: National sovereigity is not going to go away. The matters of life and death, piece and war are the absolute essence of national sovereignity. And that's why "nuke sharing" won't ever happen. Either you sell them, together with a red button or you keep control over them.
I want German nukes for Germanic people.

>>128866251
>Americans are so cucked that they gladly spend their tax moneys for our defense.
Looks like things are changing. Have fun watching your standard of living drop while you have to shell out your own money for your own guns and bombs.

>>128865005
Why do you store picture of trained orangutan in a suit on your computer? Are you some kind of sick maniac?

>>128871104
Oh yes because germany has so much more experience fighting conventional warfare. Even if we magically forgot how to fight conventional warfare in any way, we would still have more experience than you. Experience means everything in term of leadership. Plus we have more arms and vehicles with greater manufacturing power. You're navy and airforce dont even come remotely close. If given enough time to build up an EU armt then it would be a close battle but as it currently stands, you guys wont last.

>>128864828
Fend for yourselves then, we seriously don't give a fuck.

>>128874325
Appreciate the effortposts anon, gives me something to read at work.

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>>128864828
That is fine. I am in favor of an American Isolationism, not just militarily, but economically, and technologically. We don't need the rest of the world, the feeling is mutual, and we will all be better off for it.

The US will keep taking people who are sick of the old world, like it used to be, and the old world can keep rotting.

>>128874508
If it was possible to blitzkreig with Greek punctuality I'd be worried

>>128864828
is NATO just a code for 'white countries' ?

>>128870699
>4chan
>Kissanime
>HotS

Le kekistan amirite? xD

>>128864828
Because you waste all your money on sandniggers?

>>128872471
>But Russia would get soundly defeated if they tried to attack the EU. The polandball is retarded and does not reflect military realities.

Do Yuropoors actually believe this? If they wanted, they could bowl over past Germany in a few weeks without the U.S.

>>128874508
we all know turkey is first

>>128872968
He's a kraut, of course he believes that shit. Fuckers are brainwashed to the max.

>>128875365
True but at the least they can provide the fissile materials, France might not get everything right but they are god tier at nuclear reprocessing.

I just hope you guys stem the tide of Islam in your nations. Nukes and Muslims aren't the most stable mix

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>>128876188
>turkey
>EU

>>128864828
>lmao we're not gonna pay shit to nato ;)))
>buhh buhh why won't usa join our climate change club wtf

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>>128864828

Okay, enjoy getting liberated by Misha and Dima.

you don't have to spend the 2% on american weapons.

turkey for example bought a russian missile system. lel

>>128864828
Look's like its time for more slavic rape babies...

>>128869617
I hope Turkey invades you or better yet just floods you weigh millions more refugees. Just die.

>>128864828
Wait wait wait so you will cuck for the third world but the second you pay homage to the great American race your all of a sudden pissed?


COOOME OOON. REALLY HANS COOOME ON.

>>128876823
everyones figured that out

>>128876213
>France might not get everything right but they are god tier at nuclear reprocessing.
We've more than enough nuclear processing capabilities. In fact we supply the US with special fuel to make tritium to maintain their thermonuclear devices.

My problem isn't so much the technicalities. French engineering is better than its reputation.
I just don't like France all too much. And I certainly wouldn't want to rely on them in existential questions.

>I just hope you guys stem the tide of Islam in your nations.
This is in fact the more existential question long-term.
If (Western-) Europe doesn't recognize soon that it has to protect its ethnic exceptionality then we shouldn't worry about climate change or anything like that.

>>128876439
No thanks, german beer bitter and my mom's sausages more delicious.

>>128864828
Press S to spit on Germany.

>>128864828

Stfu u schnitzelneger

>>128877470
will you be upset if Poland liberates them this time?

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>>128864828
Even Obama wanted us to pay our fair share. We ain't paying USA directly, we can even invest on national production and buy our weaponry

Is to redirect a significant part of defense budget from national govt budget.
My armed forces have still G3s that their grandpas fought the rebels in 60s-70s in Africa What a cancer. Fucking corrupt politicians. It has to be some supranational organization (NATO, EU, IMF, Eurozone, Frankfurt, Merkel and financial minister) to make them work or wake up to the reality. (((freemasons))) taking care of my country again were a mistake.

>>128876823
kill yourself, bastard

>>128873426
>Thirdly, it means that the EU could start to standardize on ONE tank, ONE rifle, ONE fighter jet, ONE howitzer platform, etc. etc. This would take a long time, but it would make a lot of military materiel cheaper, meaning that you get more for your euro.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1osOsfniPg

I don´t want to make our navy the same as the german or british, it wont serve our goals and would be extremelly expensive. I also don´t want tax money to fund another cold war with the USA.

How will a huge coast army in greece help them anyway? It wont solve their productivity problems and once their arent needed and disbanded they go down the shitter again.

>>128877806

Could we just lie and count something unrelated as military budget to inflate?

>>128877746
Why do you need this? Can only of sports interest?

>>128873426

Sorry, meant this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNUFpvW2fv4

>>128869282
A race war would end so fast. Whites still hold a majority of the population. Once the niggers kill their white Allies it will be over within a month. Race war when?

>>128878250
http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2017_03/20170313_170313-pr2017-045.pdf

There are subgoals.

Cut from another part of govt. budget, they didn't take "enough fatties" during and after IMF intervention. Alas in some sectors, it grew - http://www.jn.pt/nacional/interior/fusao-de-freguesias-fez-crescer-despesa-5694809.html

>>128879852

The cut that needs to happen is in saving private business and privatizing the public sector. While we don´t do that spending will outweigh earning and debt will only grow.

>>128871757
They wouldn't become a superpower. Try getting all of the member nations to pay, let's say, 2% of their GDP on military spending. Imagine the revolt if all of those social democracies have to cut back social spending on citizens (except for the muslims.)

Even if EU members are ok with relinquishing economic control to Germany, how many would allow them control of a European military? Would Germany control the France's nukes?

>>128864828
Unified Germany was a mistake.
USA, please come liberate and balkanize us.