Single line formation

>>128453542
Walks together and gets blown up by a single grenade.

we use group formations in afghanistan and iraq dumbass. they are crossing water in the picture and need to be single file.

>>128453790
Not if one of them jumps on the grenade with his helmet dummy. Do you actually know any military tactics?

Mines.

If you walk where someone else has walked you aren't going to step on one.

>>128454388
Not if they miss the mine by inches.

>>128454388

yeah but then the front guy gets blown up. only do single file if you have a minesweeper at the front.

>>128454018
>>128454539
are you retarded

>>128454018
lol wut

>>128454828
Are you? I see you are from Finland a Slavic nation years behind American technology so I'll give you a pass this time.

>>128453542
Is this bait?
It smells like bait.
>single mortar/landmine can take out a group.
>bullets will find their target, regardless if they're fired in a group or spread out over 100 feet
>when returning fire, different angles of attack are actually a bonus.
>line of sight from different perspectives is a bonus

>>128455058
both of you are right. his tech sucks and youre retarded.

sage

>>128455215
Have you ever played the telephone game? Messages relayed between people are always told differently. If you try to communicate downs line your squad is going to hear a different message. You see football teams meet in a huddle right? So they all hear the plan of attack.

>>128455058
>everyone killed by airstrike
>everyone killed by one mortar shot
>everyone killed by a spray of automatic fire
>everyone killed by one shell
>everyone killed by one mine
>everyone in a group making it an easy target

>>128455528
god you really are a retarded super nigger arent you?

>>128455708
Not if your group is a bunch of pussies and can't lay down superior fire pinning down the enemy so he's not even allowed to fire.

>>128455528

Nigger please. Do you see defenses huddle most of the time? No they don't because they have to react when the offense goes no huddle . Defenses have their formation and listen to the mike linebacker for instructions. Same with the military the group listens to the squad leader for orders.

>>128455926
I didn't realize this was a bait thread

>>128455939
thats probably one of the best comparisons ive ever seen

>>128453542
> lets walk in an area that may have landmines as spread out as possible to find out

I was in the Marines. We just teleport behind you.

>>128455939
That's your problem you are thinking defense instead of offense. You are probably thinking of the old way of mass troops charges like the Russian did in ww1 and 2. When you have superior fire power you lay down fire power so thick no enemy would ever dare return fire

>>128455058

You give burgers a bad rep retard

>>128453542
Because wars aren't fought on big giant flat fields, OP. Stop being such a faggot.

>>128453542
>guy that has never been in the military asks why we walk in columns.

If you have ever moved through a forest or sand storm you would know why we walk in columns or staggered columns.

As someone else pointed out mines/EID's are also a problem.

>>128454018
nigga real life aint Captain america

>>128453542
you use a single line and follow each others footsteps if their are IEDs or mines around

don't be stupid

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>>128453542
>marching in file is most efficient for traveling
>NEET critiques military formation used since forever
>>128453790
look who's in front. das rite.

>>128460116
rare

>>128460215
>Used forever
That's why I'm saying it's 2017 and we need to switch up military tactics. Group formation is the way of the future and it's time we catch up.

>>128460637
>group of soldiers marching in file
>not a group formation
what clusterfuck formation would you prefer? this formation can go into a wedge pretty quick

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>>128453542
They are using the one means of dry passage between those two rice paddies. Probably not in enemy or contested territory and have a long march ahead of them making the risk of marching with soaked feet more significant than the lowered response capability of the unit.

In any case, it this crossing represents exposure to fire due to the lack of cover and speed is also key.

You are a fucking moron if you think they would just operate in black and white maneuvers like you describe. In combat you would probably freeze from terror based on your pathetic conception of warfare. You are trained a variety of tactics as a grunt and an officer should be trained in deploying them appropriately for any situation. If you can't even consider this you should stay in the basement if SHTF

>>128454018
Mang, the blast will still rip pieces of the helmet through you. No way it will contain the blast lmao

>>128453542
Because you don't know shit

Sincerely,

The SOF community

>>>>>k

>>128460637

you never have served in any army if you write such nonsense.

>>128461432
Although if you actually post this garbage on /k/ you'll be laughed at.

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>>128461439
/thread

>>128460637
>Group formations
You mean like the ones we learn in basic? Or how about the ones in the Ranger handbook?

We have group formations and we use them when they are tactically needed. The column just so happens to be the most common and useful.

Advantages of a column:
Easy to follow
Hard to tell numbers by tracks
Easy to stagger and open fire lanes

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>>128460637
I hate to admit it, but OP is right. Single line formation is complete shit and group formation should be used at all times.

We need to make sure Trump and Mattis are working on this 24/7 until it's resolved.

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>>128454018
It's sad how many people fell for this

>>128460637
>t. Logistics Flag Officer

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>>128453542
Usually we used traveling overwatch utilizing echelon right/left teams unless the terrain dictated we use a file. File formation is mostly dictated by terrain as it's much easier to move through swamps/mountains/etc by identifying one good path and taking it instead of having each individual try to blaze their own path and potentially get separated. This is especially true when combining rough terrain and darkness.

Column formation is also commonly used on road marches and line formations are used during police calls/searches.

>>128453542
>sniping a column
>not being BTFO by 12 different guns immediately after

>>128461742
kek

>>128453542
I'm no tactician but I'd guess it's the same reason no one rides inside APCs: explosives.

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>>128461865
See? Look at all the alternatives there are to column formation. It is completely useless and should be phased out immediately.

No promotions should be available for officer using such an obviously ineffective tactic.

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>>128453542

you retard, you literal subhuman

single file allows a formation to fire to all sides, and if there is contact to the front or rear, presents a smaller target

>>128453542
So this is for marching, not patrolling. Typically in an urban setting you will still move in a file, but using proper spacing.

If this were a combat patrol or movement to contact you would see these guys in a wedge.

OP you have never been in the Army or Marines, so please do not judge their tactical decisions.

>>128453542
They try not but sometimes the brush is to dense

>>128461865
See, OP, you faggot. They are just executing a lateral line formation. Not a single file.

Idiot troll faggot

>>128453542
>i know more about military strategy than all the generals
dunning-kruger effect in action

>>128455528
Yeah because trained military personal are going to turn "theres a gook in the bush over there" to "theres a nuke in the swamp ever-clear"

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>>128453542
I like seeing American and Finnish soldiers training together on the Eastern Frontier of Russia in the Summer.

>>128462068
>SGT York
read about him

>>128462199
It also allows you to get an accurate headcount when you're entering/exiting a place you intend to stop. When a patrol base is formed usually you'll collapse into a file formation and an NCO will count you off as you form a perimeter and establish security.

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>>128462671
>Obvious military-industrial complex shill
This is not Dunning-Kruger effect. You just fail to recognize that OP has advanced military doctrine by centuries with his astute observations.

>>128454609
>yeah but then the front guy gets blown up.

Which is why they rotate who is in front. Everybody shares the risk. Also, have you ever noticed how they will walk in the tracks of a vehicle if there is a vehicle in front?

>>128455528
the point of telephone is to change the message into something funny and different, retard.

>>128460637
>It's the current year!

>>128462963
Typically the lead man is not rotated. It will typically be your most experienced E5 out in front.

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>>128462843
>Shilling for column formation
Yes but you've failed to address any of OP's brilliant points. Only rural and suburban retards still favor this antiquated military tactic.

>>128462199
I know right? I would equivilate using single line formation to outdated tactics used in ww1 like mass charging a machine gun. It doesn't work anymore. It's all about superior fire power now and a group of guys together is going to be able to produce the most firepower.

>>128461753

This

>>128453542
DISPERSION.

I can hear the DI's now lol.


And you learn every type of fomation early on in OCS and the silent symbols for each.you faggot. Every one has an advantage and time and place

>>128462963
This isn't true. When I was in, I was the first in through the door for my fire team every time. It was my job, and I got better at it. I'm big and my squad leader didn't like me, so I was point man.

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>>128463391
Absolutely I bet you and I could easily beat all the military fags here in paintball. They are obviously backwards thinkers and only use column formation because that's what they were taught.

>>128454018

Can fonrim, i've dnoie im befomre

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>>128463251
in the german/austiran army its usually the commanding nco who leads the squad and his second in command takes the rear.

There is not really a file formation here, maybe for marching but thats not a combat formation.

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>>128463295
Nah it's pretty good stuff. You can see here a formation collapsing and tightening to begin setting up a temporary patrol base in that grove of trees. Typical spacing should be 3-5m but here it's at about 2m because we bunched up a bit.

>>128455528
I always thought it was called Chinese whisper

>>128463993
Name the last time any paintball team has used line formation. That's right they use group formation.

>>128453542
Mines.

This thread gave me a good chuckle because I just graduated basic a couple weeks ago. Good meme mate

Actual retards in this thread.

google infantry tactics.

>>128453542
im in the army. we usually walk in diamond formation if we are likely to get into contact

>>128464322
I keep seeing people use the mines argument. Do you really think this is still ww2 and men walk around digging out mines with their knifes? Fuck no they don't. The call in the mine clearers. You are thinking of old outdated world war 2 tactics.

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>>128453542
>gi joe plastic green Bangladeshi helmets
I love those guys. A real motivated bunch of dudes besides having total garbage for equipment.

>Why do modern armies seriously do this outdated tactic in 2017?
Patrols are dynamic brother. You shift speed and formation as the terrain and threat level varies. Do you even serve?

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>>128454018
>>128455058

>>128453542
To avoid loosing more than one soldier in a mine blast.

>>128462837
Gods of War don't count

>>128454018
wut

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>>128464085
>Breaking character
Cool shit, seriously.

>>128464085
Niggas don't know about obliques and reformation etc..

>>128464078
>>128463251
>what is a point man?
>what is concentration?

>>128453542
It depends on the terrain. They just came out of a wooded area where a file was likely the most convenient means of travel whereas now in the open they would transition to a wedge.

>>128453861
yet a million armchair generals are going to talk out
of their asses this is why I love 4chan

>>128463993
Real war is not a 10 minute round at speedball field, paintfag.
You're not in contact all the time.

>>128464085
Why are modern guns painted black and not painted clear? Black guns stick out like a sore thumb against the foiliage. Clear guns would blend in and have a chameleon like affect and become the backdrop of whatever ground the Marine was currently occupying.

>>128453542
>why isn't the military like CoD?
the post

>>128464659
The Australian army generally opts for the rhombus, as it is the superior battle polygon.

>>128464026
Criminally underrated post

>>128463993
they're crossing water fucktard

>>128453542
>>>/k/

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>>128465668
>painted clear

>>128465668
stop posting, you're retarded

>>128465668
>Painted Clear

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>>128465668

From personal experience:

The file formation is the easiest to control and maneuver in restricted terrain. It is easy to communicate via hand signals front to back, and it is thus safer since an element can maintain good noise and light discipline when using signals and other close communication.

A file which is attacked by the flank can have the most amassed direct fire against an ambush. However, it also leaves the element open to sweeping fire from machine guns and leaves multiple personnel susceptible to death from grenades or other mass-casualty weapons. If you maintain proper intervals of distance, this can be mitigated.

In summary: a file formation is easy to control, incredibly hard to fuck up (mammals have done this for millions of years), but generally only suitable for tough terrain, when threat of ambush is low, or when an element needs to move quickly or through a linear danger area (an open area of exposure) such as a road or river crossing.

It's effectiveness is in it's simplicity.

>>128465471
no point man here, maybe for entries into buildings, but for normal infantry operations the ncos are expected to lead. Maybe still comes from the prussian/german influence.

>>128466201
Ok now you are just fucking with me. Name one time mammals have come under enemy fire?

>>128465668
Weapons are typically blued or otherwise coated to protect from rust. Some units will allow their guys to spray paint or add more camo if it's needed.

Other armies allow their soldiers to decorate their weapons with bright multicolored stickers, markers, or hang lucky trinkets from them. Several of the ANA we worked with had hello kitty stickers on the stocks of their AKs.

It's also important to note that being concealed is often not a priority. When engaging in area denial or show of force missions it's expected that you will let your presence be known.

>>128466696
Stop posting, you're retarded.

>>128455926
Who's got that picture of Neil Degrasse with the "we're reaching levels of autism previously thought to be unreachable"

This guy needs that picture

>>128466696
Does Emu War counts as Australians lost it?

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>>128455926
>>128467019

>>128453542
Are you stupid?
that's a marching formation, when the squad gets engaged they move apart

>>128453542
>Why do modern armies seriously do this outdated tactic in 2017
But it works

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>>128466201
>Mammals
I thought you were making some good points, but I guess you're talking about penguins or something.

WTF dude. This is a serious discussion about ridding ourselves of an obviously outdated and ineffective tactic.

>>128467222
Another problem with this formation is that if a skilled sniper gets infront of the formation and shoots through the first guy the bullet will also go through at least minimum the next 5 guys and take them out too. This formation is just outdated and bad tacitcs.

>>128466696
Mammals have migrated in lines for millions of years. Mammal herds have commonly and still commonly fall under ambush from pack hunters by the rear and flank--so yes, for millions of years mammals have, in fact, come under enemy fire (so to speak). Even pack hunters themselves, such as wolves, move in a file formation in a particular order when traveling.

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>>128465561
Paintball is a great proving ground for combat tactics. As OP has suggested, no paintball squad ever forms in line, because it's obviously ineffective.

You just suck at it, which is why you're so triggered.

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