Life in Britian

labour will win

>>128128715
>cyber security
Theoretical or can you actually find and use exploits?

>>128129914
I can find and plug never really bothered to learn to exploit them

>>128128715
This should probably be posted on /g/.

To be honest it's hard to get decent jobs here without experience even if you have a degree.
We do though have job roles that are advertised to people distinctly coming out of university hence would be more suited to you.
Another option is to do volunteer/apprenticeship work as to get some cheap experience to allow you to move on.

As for opinions on Americans, don't take credit for anything you didn't actually make/do or act overly pretentious or giddy and you'll be fine.

I like that you're libertarian, we need more people who will counter the authoritarian mentality that pretty much every major party has here...

>>128129496
It's still unlikely, the conservatives are still ahead just not as ahead as before.
As a libertarian you should be hoping both lose.

>>128130067
/g/ has been slowing down and figured i get a quicker and more straight forward answer here.

its the same over here in terms of job opportunities without experience or knowing someone.

where would you recommend looking for a place? I was looking at Essex.

Is there any form of Libertarian party in the UK?

You wouldn't get a job in the UK Government sector as you're a yank. You'll probably need to get DV clearance and they only give that to British nationals.

t. Has DV clearance.

>>128128715
Could you please fuck off back to >>>/r9k/ ? Sage.

>>128130031
Pick a company, find their exploits, tell them and offer your services. If they knock you back, record their recognition of your service and use it as a reference of sorts.

>>128131080
I'm more British than you Ahmed

>>128130652
Fair enough, I've noticed that as well.

I don't have much of a rundown of where the best jobs are in this country but our network infrastructure tends to focus more southern so I wouldn't recommenced anything north of Birmingham(Not that you'd want to be anywhere near Birmingham anyway.)
I live in Bedfordshire and I know Milton Keynes is a bit of a hotspot for general computing jobs.

Either way though you'd be better off with Essex yeah, especially considering how Cisco is not far from parliament.

>>128128715
work for gchq

There's less importance placed on internships (in most fields) in the UK than in America (although they obviously help) so you shouldn't let your lack of work experience necessarily worry you. You'll be best served applying to the graduate programs most companies run although I expect you'll need to check if they accept applications from outside of the UK first. And I'd get on it quick because the intakes for most of these jobs start in September and run on a yearly cycle.

>>128131801
thank you for the information!! I was actually looking at Bedfordshire as a possible place to move to but it just didnt seem like as good of a fit as Essex would be.

i hope /g/ gets an uptick from all this fcc and net neutrality shit over here.

>>128132100
I've already applied for my visa and been looking around for places that'll hire me. pleasantly surprised by hearing there isnt much value or importance placed on internships and what not over there it's hard to even get internships over here at least where i live

If you want a guaranteed job then London is the place to be

I wouldn't recommend it though, the place is a shithole, as others have said, look for junior and graduate roles. A full on grad scheme might not be a bad shout either.

How easy even is it for Yanks to move here

>>128132717

Don't get me wrong, they are valued and the are a benefit (if you have them) but there's a recognition that most people won't have any or that most people spent their student years working in a pub at the weekends or whatever. Outside of finance, there typically isn't the same MUST HAVE INTERNSHIPS obsession here that you see in the US; firms take graduates on in the understanding that the grad position is probably their first real work experience.

>>128132519
Glad to help.
You're right, Bedfordshire is a bit naff when it comes to IT jobs other than one cisco hub.
Though Milton Keynes as mentioned is in Buckinghamshire, just so you know.

Indeed, It's been a while since I've seen anything enterprise/server related.
You might be in for a bit of a shock broadband wise by the way as we don't have anything like google fibre, the best broadband you can get publicly is 300mbps down, 20mbps up with virgin media only...

>>128132879
easy if done by marriage to a UK citizen. hard if I actually want to work for it.

>>128133789
To add to that, in most places the best you can get is BT/Sky/Plusnet at like 70down 10up

>>128133789
I'm not sure I could live without 1gb up and down.

Do you think immigration from the us to the uk should be made simpler?

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>>128128715
Northumberland and Cumbria are absolute beautiful. Besides from the band of Labour constituencies in central Newcastle, the area is over 90% white for 200 miles in every direction & is classic English countryside with villages inbetween. Mostly cheap stone properties.

Not much has changed has changed there since the last mines closed at the end of the 19th century. It has quite high unemployment which is something you may want to look at though.

>>128135343
that looks lovely!!
do you know if its mostly old white folks or more of the younger generation cause if its the old folks I could open a cozy IT shop and repair their computers.

>>128135243
More computer savy people like you here will help bring change though which would be great.

To an extent, I don't agree with free movement but I'd be willing to make the process faster and more efficient system if there's a low chance of people abusing it.
In comparison to lets say European nations, I can imagine the abuse caused would be minimal/negligible if such a deal were struck with America.

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>>128135888
Nope, its a mix of both. They certainly aren't cute little retirement villages, they're villages where people actually live and work. Its on the border with Scotland so a lot of opportunities in both countries from there. You could definitely do something with IT in some places.

>>128135888
I go to Cumbria every year and It's mostly 40ish year olds really.

Most housing is rented out of people on holiday and those that are renting are the ones that tend to be old.
Network infrastructure in ridiculously poor in parts there though, that last place I stayed had 2 mega 1.88mbps down, 0.38mbps up, 4G was actually better at 42mbps down, 13.35mbps up...

Fuck off we're full. Plus Only British citizens can work for governmental agencies

>>128136642
i guess it still has that natural beauty. is your countries internet infrastructure that far behind than everyone else?

>>128136681
t-thats my line

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>>128136642
16-40 is the main age group in Cumbria, which is absolutely fine for IT. I'm from Northumberland myself, but I commute to areas in Cumbria regularly and "most" housing ibeing rented out to people on holiday is rubbish.

I can list 10 villages off the top of my bed, and then another 10 cities where you could go just off the top of your head. Ulverston would be no different to Newcastle's city center on a good day.

>>128136805
If we're talking about countryside and villages here, that's 80% of the UK's landmass. You could find that 45 minutes away from London and not even know there was an invasion going on near you (though it'd be more expensive).

The atmosphere in the north counties and the countryside culture is the last remnants of what existed pre-WW2. Probably to do with the mine closures like i said.

>>128136305
you spelt Bamburgh wrong, though it's weird how's it's spoken like BamBRough. Can confirm Northumberland is a nice place, it's a little out of the way though, not many cities close by apart from Edinburgh, Glasgow and Newcastle and they are all a good 1/2 hours away.

>>128137151
Yeah I know. I live in Alnwick which is 10 minute drive away from Bamburgh , not sure what the fuck happened there. In fact I worked in Bamburgh for 2 years.

>>128136805
Ah yeah it's one of the most natural locations in England, happens to have England's largest mountain as well.

Certainly behind yours and Scandinavia, don't know about Europe though.
There are plans to have a large infrastructure upgrade soon, that is if the conservatives get in which they stand a very good chance of doing.

>>128137121
If you say so, you're more local after all, admittedly I've never gone further north than Keswick.

>>128128715
i wanna fap to this to make god really uncomfortable

>>128137151
You're right in saying Northumberland is a bit out of the way, definitely. Cumbria has a lot of other options in that case to my knowledge, because of places like Whitehaven.

The outskirts of Newcastle are nice. Villages like Lemington, Throckley, Newcastle, Walker, etc, but you'll always be a 40 minute drive away from Little Mecca in that case.

>>128137562
Well, I've only left the North twice in my life, so perhaps its me who has nothing to compare it to.

I don't think IT would be a problem in Cumbria though. As I said, places like Whitehaven are filled with younger people. Northumberland would probably be worse for that, atleast I'd say so.

>>128137605
>Newcastle
my bad
Newburn* INSIDE the city of Newcastle.

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>>128131513
doubt it. your quick response to anger at his comment shows your not white.

>>128137882
your late response shows how lazy you are Ahmed

>>128137714
To be fair I've never visited Whitehaven so I'm not one to talk either.

>>128137965
i just got in this friend thread Pablo, we dont need fruit pickers, we got enough of our own illegals doing those jobs.

>>128137965
What's your budget? I'm just going to say right now, you could get a 3 bedroom house in the North for the same price you'd get a 1 bedroom flat in the south.

>>128138128
you don't even know what you are saying esse i fuck you up real good

>>128138060
I wouldn't bother, its a shithole and overrides the rest of Cumbria which is beautiful.

But for anything like IT, it's god sent.

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>>128138274
sorry, im tired not been to sleep yet and ive got work in a few hours, not that you'd know what work is eh? keep LARPing as white, but you'll never be white.

>>128138266
anywhere from 1250 to 1500 not sure how much that would get me in the UK Here its a fair bit

>>128128715
Yank. I'm originally a Londoner and have lived in the North of England for 30 years. If you can get a good job, Northern England is a good place... Yorkshire Dales, Northumberland, Cumbria all good. Dont do any West Coast hippy talk and you be fine.

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>>128138498
That's enough to live off a month in the north. It's very cheap here.

>>128138626
its about £1100 at $1500

>>128138710
this I forgot to convert

>>128138710
More than enough if you live within your limits. That's enough to rent a decent place.

>>128138828
Depends where you are, 1bed flats where i live go for about £80 a week to rent, then there is gas/electric + water and then Council/poll tax.

He can do it if he saves up first, but remember we are going through a polorising election.

>>128138828
would it be a necessity to own a car or would biking/walking suffice in that area?

>>128139065
I live in Alnwick, and its quite a low value area. £500 pm for a 3 bedroom house ain't bad at all.
>>128139184
Public transport is very efficient, the metro is great too but based off your own needs, where you are & where you need to get to on a daily basis, it might be best to. I couldn't answer without knowing. Biking is always an option no matter the case.

>>128139184
biking/walking is doable. i bike 5 miles to work and 5 miles back, i have a car but do it to save on Diesel ect. takes me about 30 minutes.
alot of women will judge you if you dont drive. so there is that, plus its helpful if you need to do big shopping or transport stuff, but for that there is always the "Man with a Van" option that you can hire out.

>>128139065
Obviously yeah, w/ tax that wouldn't be enough with £1200 but just to give you an idea of the value in this area.

>>128139439
3bed house where i live is about £700pcm. Coupled with no reliable work around here makes the situation dire. its all about the area you live in.

>>128128715
check out GCHQ lad
they offer bursaries, internships etc with training - if you have a degree in cyber security you could easily wing it through the initial stages of acquiring a bursary - if youre determined.

political climate depends where you are but generally people will find you arrogant and patronising, theyll never tell you this though and over all no one has a problem with americans unless theyre in the same camp as idiots that have a problem with any individual based on where they were born as opposed to how they act.

i'd say pursue the security thing either with GCHQ or MI5 (recruitment is surprisingly easy and they offer great opportunities like learning a language, how to fight, behaviour training etc) and move to Dartford - quiet and nice with beautiful surroundings

>>128139537
£1200 is enough in most areas that have work available, and im talking real work not a Mcjob, outside of a Mcjob you'll earn more. i get about £2000 a month and a work in a factory (after income tax, NI, pension and union fee) [Pension/Union Fee is optional]

>>128139439
ive been looking at jobs in middlesbrough and Sheffield as well as sussex and london

>>128139543
>its all about the area you live in.
Honestly, my best advice is to find an area coupled with natural beauty AND practicality. That's not too difficult to do in the north.
>>128139756
Paying 500 pcm added on with tax, food costs and whatever else i have, i couldn't live off £1200.

>>128139771
>london
Don't. just dont.

>>128128715

Go into private pentesting.
Look for paul Mason.

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>>128139771
London is extremely high value. >>128139900 and what this guy says, just don't.

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>>128139876
fucking disheartening seeing my friends live 4 males to a house. because good work has dried up where i live.

>>128139991
not looking to live in london but purely work I'd commute to and from. it sounds like a real shit hole now.

>>128140079
Even then, the commute can be so much hassle. There is plenty of opportunity in the north, and there is more coming aswel if re-industrialization happens

>>128140079
It's hell to get in and out of, if you want to drive you gotta pay the Kike Charge, not worth it.

>>128140040
its awful. i've been through my hard times here but wouldn't leave the north of england ever, i'm doing alright at the minute, but i plan on buying plot development land in Berwick eventually. gotta have a plan that works.

unemployment is high here as i said which is something OP needs to consider. it's a beautiful area to live but still have to plan.

>>128139693
You can't work for GCHQ or MI5 if you're not British, duh

>>128140079
london is a shithole mate. you go to london to see its history and then you fuck off back to places that are nice to live in 2017, and exit the 1800s.

>>128140250
Is the metro any better than driving in and out or are the subways just public shit holes like here in the states

>>128140353
This. At least im fairly certain unless they allow contract work like they do here with NSA

>>128140457
The London internal metro is garbage and if you want to commute from out of London on a train, let's just say i'd personally prefer to jump on the tracks than the train.

>>128139771
Sheffield is comfy (at least the south and west suburbs are).

>>128140457
I hear the London tube is a mess but the metro here isn't so bad.

>>128140588
Isn't Sheffield quite high value as a whole?

>>128140457
More options than trains, We have busses that start at 4AM and do routes around the local towns and cities for workers in the morning where i live.

Then there is the option of bicycles if you manage to get a place reletively close to work.

sorry to keep you guys up so late thank you for answering my questions though it is much appreciated!!

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>>128140660
its 3PM here lad lel

>>128131133
How do you "find exploits" of companies?
Any general ideas (I know it would differ from company to company)?
Just asking for a friend of course.

>>128140739
thought it was like 2 am or some shit

>>128140650
One of the best places I've lived for buses is on the outskirts of west Newcastle. One bus comes every 10 minutes from 5am to 11pm and takes around 30 minutes to get to the city center.

>>128139991
>my area is now less than 90% white

fuck

>>128140783
feel sorry for you mate, the only constitutency besides central newcastle that is below 90% white is around 50 miles away lel.

>>128140638
Varies, but not really, certainly not compared to anywhere in the south - you can rent a 3-bed house in an OK area for £5-600amonth, more in a really posh area.

>>128130031
Start your own cyber security firm and become a contractor. Good fucking money, easy to do.

>>128140875
Really? That's the same I pay up here in Alnwick for a 3 bedroom house. That's not bad at all.

how's Sussex if anyone knows

Moral of the story in this thread it seems is White Rose > Red Rose and fuck london.

>>128128715

Usually you can't work for government if you don't have nationality. And if you have one but are a foreigner they probably still won't give you job especially in cyber security issues.

>>128141114
Firest result on rightmove has a 1bedroom flat for £575 pcm. That doesn't sound good. Will give it a look over.

>>128141231
thats like a studio apartment right. that doesn't sound too bad desu

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>>128141170
Bring back the Kingdom of Northumberia.

>>128141399
Northumbria*

>>128141393
Keep in mind that UK flats are like half the size of US flats for the same number of bedrooms, same with houses

>>128141393
Looks like a cuckshack to be honest but yeah, does seem to be the area its in which is a place called Selsey which looks very high value anyway. There are different some low-to-medium areas in and around Sussex.

>>128141393
The studio apartments here are hellholes. Most of them are Houses that have been converted into single room bedsits.

An actual apartment here will set u back about £800 a month where i live (talking about separate rooms).
If you move there are independant landlords that you can try, in my experience the younger landlords are the better ones to deal with.
They usually just want som1 to live in their place and get money from it without hassle, in return you live somewhere without hassle.

If you're actually good just move to a cheap Eastern European country and submit vulns on a bug bounty like HackerOne

A thing that you can also look into is becoming friends with som1 in england when you spend time living and working here and after a while maybe broach the subject of a flatshare, saves SO MUCH

>>128128715
>im looking to move there permanently
why the fuck would you want to?

>>128141598
If an actual apartment is what I'm thinking of, there are some very cheap ones going on Scotswood in Newcastle which is a 5 minute walk from the city center. A lot less than £800 a month.

>>128141834
i dont know, the weather alone is enough to put any1 off.

>>128141874
Scotswood road*

>>128141834
cause its the country hipsters Seattle.
my ancestral clay too

>>128141834
I think the english countryside has a certain appeal to it. Especially the villages, woodlands, farmland walks, etc

Its in a fucking state though. Any other reason than sight seeing I can't think of a reason either

>>128128715

Fuck off we are full.

>>128128715

I'm in a similar position, I'm a 24 year old neet with a mechanical engineering degree had a job lined up with the army doing officer training but was unable to complete it due to injury (cartilage breaking off under the cap is a bitch)

Can't give much proper advice since I'm essentially trying to get a relevant job too but from what I've seen the best bet is to try for graduate schemes, provided you can pass the assessment centers they'd probably take you if you have right to work. It's just that since you'd have next to no real world experience it might be hard to pass the technical interviews, or at least I expect it to be.

>>128135089
What kind of visa did you apply for? It's hard to come here without having a job first. I'm currently in the UK on my husbands Tier-2 work visa. He got the job (shortage list occupation and he has worked in his industry for a long time) and they had to sponsor him. Might be hard without any work experience as it is a pretty expensive process.

They first have to apply for a Certificate of Sponsorship (not sure how much this costs), visa cost is currently at £587, and NHS surcharge of £200 for every year that the visa is valid.

There are also minimum salary requirements and minimum level of savings (you have to have this amount prior to 90 days before you apply)

It also really isn't too easy if you marry a UK citizen. Have lots of friends here who are married to British citizens.... the spousal visa requirements are extremely detailed and they can take a while to process. One of my friends has an English husband and they had been living back in the US (she had previously lived in the UK for about 15 years and had ILR) when he got a job back over here. During the time they were in the US her ILR got cancelled (guess it's not so indefinite!). He had to come back to start work but she had to start the visa process... she was pregnant at the time and it took a couple of months. Baby ended up being born in the US while she was waiting. They'd been married for more than 10 years at that point!

It's a hard process but we do really like it here.

>>128128715
Gchq. They are hiring

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>>128129496
Kek. Bait worked.
R8 my m3m3, goyz.
It's a bit rushed, but fuck it.