JUST a friendly reminder

>>128036496
suck my dick

I can code. It's overrated.

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Hello world!

>>128036496
Any free online courses that aren't code academy?

I can kind of code, but not as good as the spergs in my class. I don't think I'm fit for this kind of work.

Just to check your ego OP coding is for people who can't do math. We're your bosses.

>>128037180
Youre higherd!
WAIT.. are you female, trans, or an oppressed minority?

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>>128036496
>That picture
>Women "coding"

>>128036496

I hate imbeciles who call themselves comp scientists for knowing basic HTML and CSS

>>128036496

I would really like to start coding/learning to code. When I was younger I was fantastic with computers, now, 15 years later - I don't even own one. I am looking for a new career, and think I could pick up on coding/web developing/etc quickly. What would be a good starting point? And should I look into getting a laptop, or a PC to learn to code on?

>>128036496
Comp Science master, and I agree.

If you have a high IQ, go for a programming career, and you will be rewarded economically and intellectually. Everyday will be fun, challenging and will evolve you further.

>>128036496
Why would I bother learning to code when I don't enjoy it and it's irrelevant to my job?

>>128041244
You cant become an architect this way, but there is a demand for front end developers out there.
Learn tools like:
> HTML
> Javascript
> Browsers
> HTTP protocol (and TCP/UDP, IP)

Learn to do some basic algorithms, sign up for google code jam

Programming can be lucrative but it is also quite often soul draining. Most programmers aren't working on exciting world changing projects, they're working on a large corporation or government agency making mundane things like employee directories or CRUD apps. Even the stars of software like Google and Microsoft have lots of mundane boring programming jobs. Not everyone gets to work on self driving cars or rocket guidance systems.

>>128041927


u fokin wot m8?

front end is in ?

>mfw


Isn't it easiest part ? Than say going into kernel programming ?

>>128038743
Microsoft has lots of them but obviously are only related to their stack of technology.

>>128036496
Don't make he replace you with another Pajeet like the other guy you fucking code monkey.

I make Beer for a living
Fuck all of you nerds

>>128036496

>Be Coder
>Starve to death because you can't cook or harvest food
>Get killed by animals because you don't know how to hunt or you're just a bitch who's afraid to hurt animals
>Die from a disease because you don't know how to make medicine
>Get killed and raped by other tribals as you don't know how to fight against humans with weapons

Wow this Coding thing is sure as fuck useful for me huh

>>128042222
Yes master quad, front end is the burger flippers of software but there are tons more jobs for the front end than for kernel programming. Obviously the latter pays better but is also much more difficult to achieve.

>>128036496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruf_phAz1hQ

>>128036496
Shoo shoo Code monkey learn some social skills while you're at it too I've never seen a bigger group of autists than in coding class

>>128036496
I make several grand on the side coding for pajeets and chincs who can't do their CS homework assignments.

I'm literally a hillbilly with a 5th grade education. Being a white male definitely has its advantages.

>>128042222
>checked
also
>muh kernels
how is that even useful

>>128042222
What do you mean by saying front end is in?

Front end development - that is making pages using HTML, Javascript and CSS is a major industry with high demand.

And true, front end developers do not often solve sophisticated problems.
And true, kernel programming, backend programming, engine programming, etc. require a lot more knowledge about algorithms, architecture and such.

But programming is such a vast discipline that can fork into hundreds of different tools and problems to solve, so when you want to become a programmer, there are so many versions of "programmer", you have to choose between.

Start out by dwelving into front end development. From there, you might get the feel, if you at some point in time want to advance in any direction.

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>>128042780
> tfw i started loving coding in C since it's my frist language

>tfw my mom forced me to try COBOL and i learned a bit of it, piss easy

> tfw im a noob 3 months in and shitposting on assembler


> learn that front end pays off

>tfw

> moving to freecodecamp now

>>128042687
Do you hunt or harvest food? If you do that's retarded since we've industrialized the whole process over 50 years ago

>>128043018
thanks for fucking over everyone else just for short term monetary gain, cleetus

>>128036496
oversaturated, unemployable STEMlords will be the next liberal arts baristas.

>>128043100
>Start out by dwelving into front end development
Yes start out in the shittiest, most fucking retarded place possible so you can completely disregard good, sound, and safe practices enforced by a compiler. I bet you're one of those faggots that tells people to learn HTML as a first "language".

>>128042222
>>128042780
>>128043123
For instance, I made this 2,5 years ago:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/4chan-greek-surveillance/bgcjhhldnpllbmhdaijongcbedocnnmj?hl=en

This is pure "front end development", because it's purely Javascript. However, it was fun to learn how to scrape 4chan pages and build a search engine on top of that.

So though just using Javascript and HTML, the problem was fun and developing.

why should I learn to code when we already have all you looser beta coder nerds

My trade skillz don't become instantly irrelevant when the power goes out

>>128042687
>be coder
>spend spare time when compiling is occurring to study other things like bushcraft, etc
damn it's like you can do more than one thing in life, crazy

>>128043570
I would say that programming is doing the essence of developing your brain, if you have the potential for it.

>>128036496
Being able to code is nice.

>>128039934
The computers do the math. We write the algorithms

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For one, programming is an incredibly degrading job that offers 0 job security and is the vocation most plagued by ageism by a far margin. You are not respected at any normal company. Every day, some Alpha who probably does nothing at his job except get his secretary to suck his dick in his corner office cucks you into doing random bitch work, and then yells at you when it's not done by the deadline despite it being impossible to complete the work requested. Not only that, the code rarely works, your co-workers are Indians brought in by Tata Consultancy who will replace you for half the salary and you have to train them to get your $500 severance, and the work never, ever ends. You pollute your body with the caffeinenated jew, deprive it of sleep, and let it rot while you sit the majority of the day, neglecting any healthy exercise, social interaction or life game goal attainment.

It's like a postal worker, but coupled with feelings of loneliness, helplessness and total hopelessness. Programmers are too depressed to go postal, a sad state of affairs. After dentists, programmers have the highest rates of mental disorders, especially depression and suicide.

It gets worse. Women, when they hear you are a programmer, instantly reject you. It is far better to tell a woman you are on welfare than to out yourself as a computer programmer. It's highly embarrassing for a woman to associate with a programmer, as everyone knows they are the grown up version of the hopeless virgin in high school. One who never really grew up and became normal and fit into society, but rather found an environment where he could escape the reality of his situation and be invisible, able to hide the toxic shame and utter humiliation that is the programmer.

Programming's father, Alan Turing, 404'd himself with cyanide because he was a programmer. Programmers, why haven't you taken the cyanide pill and quit jewgramming and turned to a respectable and productive profession?

>>128043486
It depends.
Front End development gives a good introduction to
- imperative all-around language like Javascript to fire off simple programmes and get a hang of a major tool.
- declarative programming languages like HTML and CSS, where you learn to use a more specific language for a specific "declarative" task.

And when I say, that it depends, it depends on the skillset, IQ and will of the person to learn programming.

>>128036496
anyone who writes an article about computer programming while using the term "coding" has no idea what they're talking about.

>>128044068
was wondering when this pasta would appear

>>128041244
For web programming it doesn't really matter. Mac are a little bit nicer to work with since they have a better terminal

>>128036496
Im a senior CS major at a forbs top 25 CS list and i can barely code with a 3.5. Be mad.

>>128044068
Turing offed himself because he enjoyed licking men's buttholes.

>>128044273
HTML and CSS are markup, not a language

>>128044725
> HTML (HyperText Markup Language)
> Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) is a style sheet language

Just from the first two hits on google.

>>128036496

coding is for curry niggers

>>128043100
>Front end development
>on /pol/ always learning new shit everyday

>>128044725
*not a programming language

>>128036496
>Coding
>Women

Pick one.

>>128044055
>actually believes this
Hahaha no wonder why you will always be a loser

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>>128036496
>If you can't code, you are subhuman

>ITT
>People think "coding" makes money
Yeah sure there Jew, basic call center troubleshooting does not equate to Software Development.
0.01 cents has been deposited into your Shekel account.

>mfw working in SD for 10+ years and never once seen a female Engineer

>>128044881
I meant to say it's not a programming language

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>>128044407
The KANG is always watching

>>128045001
Are you projecting?

>>128045058
Yeah, I found out.. And I also googled a little. And you are right.

I wonder if you can say, that a guy is "programming", when he is editing HTML..? If not, then what is he doing?

>>128045275
He's manually editing HTML instead of programmatically editing HTML

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I know C++, Java, C#, Lisp, Python and x86 assembly. I think I'm fine.

>>128038743
For Java and Python, codingbat can get you the basics. Just read over documentation, and you'll have to google how to do some things.

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I post this as a programmer. I love programming but yeah, you do get cucked.

>>128043568
Any suggestions on where to start learning something like that? Scraping pages and converting into searchable database has been something I've wanted to do with a few different sites now but have no idea where to start

>>128041244
>What would be a good starting point?
As much as I feel like a /g/ traitor, I would suggest learning Java as a first language with the assistance of the Eclipse IDE. It's probably the most beginner friendly and most forgiving programing environment ever created. It even gives you suggestions what you're doing wrong while you're typing along the the option to let the IDE fix your error for you.

>>128045566
To me, your programming skills are not proportional to the amount of programming languages, you know.
It's your ability to analyze problems and their domain, and represent them in an abstract form, where you have option to suggest different solutions by using varying ideas/paradigms - and you are able to map these solutions down to a programming language that supports your paradigm of choice.

>>128036496
>being a code monkey
>not being in the far superior and growing field of cyber security

pradeeps btfo

>>128046072
I disagree.

Start with Visual Studio and C#.

Visual Studio >>> Eclipse
C# >>> Java

Only, you have to suck Microsoft's dick. But all competent developers do.

>>128036496
>Computer programming jobs may be declining, but coding is becoming the most in-demand skill across industries.
What the fuck is the difference?

>>128045844
Scrapping is a skill that immoral people use a lot. How about you collect your own data instead of stealing from another site. If they want to share their data that'll make an API

>>128044725
I sometimes get grief for mainly programming in PHP and JS because "If you don't compile it it's not a proper programming language". But you do get some special kinda autistics saying they can program in HTML ..... >:C

>>128046325
mobile apps aren't computers

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This comic is great.

Also note that one of the Gurus of programming - Jon Skeet - took his stackoverflow avatar from this comic.

Jon Skeet is known as the Chuck Norris of programming. If you have some programming in you, you will kek at these:
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9134/jon-skeet-facts

>>128036496
George Soros can't code. Is he a subhuman?
>inb4 Jew

>>128046275
But Java is portable

But let's not let this turn into a /g/ thread

>>128046275
Jetbrains makes the best IDEs out there.

>thousands of years of humankind not coding
>the year of our lord 2017
>if you can't code you're a subhuman

Stay satirey /pol/

>>128038743
Khan Academy, or your local library.

>>128045844
See
>>128043568
I can give you the source code, if you want.

>>128045844
I just realised that you referred my post initially. Kek.

Lemme find the source code. It has actually never been released

>>128046566
Mobile app run on computers

>>128046088
All these languages cover different domains, fuccboi.

Java for web development and fast prototyping. C# for Unity gamedev. C++ for serious application development if performance is the top priority. Lisp just for fun. Python as a scripting language to batch process files. x86 assembly for low level development and reverse engineering.

>>128046275
Retard. Visual Studio is bloat, even next to fucking eclipse. And despite being more bloated it offers less features. To get C# editing in MSVS that is on the level of eclipse you need a pay to use plugin like resharper. Eclipse does all that shit for free, out of the box and also much faster. Not to mention that eclipse is open source and runs on literally everything. The only real argument for visual studio is it's C++ debugging capabilities, but we're talking about managed code here. Eclipse is a questionable piece of software, but Visual Studio is fucking Satan.

>>128036496

I can use R ...

>>128042575
*shakes your hand*
I make rustic furniture.
Essentialskillbros unite!

>>128046790
Overpriced meme software. Eclipse is less comfy and powerful, but at least it doesn't require a fucking software subscription. Also CLion a shit. Fuck CMake with a rake.

>>128046712
Java applets are going to be the next big thing. Watch out JavaScript. Lol jk

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>>128036496

>>128046712
>implying /g/ likes java
It's the only thing they hate more than C++ or JavaScript. Lisp, Haskell and C are the real deal.

>>128047304
You clearly have never used bluefish.

The only thing I hate about programming as a job is the constant nagging desire to whore myself out for shekels.

All the good money is in businesses I just can't morally support - gambling, predatory loans, advertising, banking, scraping and so on. And if it's a normal company, it's based in Israel or Saudi Arabia or something.

And the fucky thing is, I bet many bright kids don't have such boundaries. They'll end up doing vaguely evil shit just because they're paid well and they love the challenge.

>>128046325
They'll be less coding jobs except high demand for those who have higher levels of understanding / expertise.

>>128047304
I make a lot of money as a software developer so I can buy the best IDE. I spend a lot of time developing so it's worth the license fee. Also I am supporting a useful company

>>128047304
stupid niggers not on that vim shit

>>128042222
Good front end is hard and highly sought after. The only reason it appears "easier" than kernel programming is due to its prevalence.

A good developer is a good developer. A bad kernel programmer would likely be a bad front end programmer.

>>128047116
> Java for web development and fast prototyping C# for Unity gamedev..
I CBA to argue on this level.

> Retard. Visual Studio is bloat,
I CBA to argue on this level. You win.

You want to appear as smart, so please go ahead. I hope you convinced yourself.

Programming is patriarchal nerd shit, coding is the future for all womynkind

>>128045615
wtf is the meaning of that image

yes a good chunk of programmers are just monkeys doing slave labor. yes programming is gaining popularity

doesnt mean programming is useless. it is very much a required skill in today modern tech world.

>>128047116
You are likely very inexperienced.

>>128036496
It used to be that you couldn't use a computer to do anything unless you could program it. Now, I can't see that the average person would benefit in the slightest from knowing how to "code" as it's called these days.

>>128047671
I know Vim. It's pretty great. My current workflow is Eclipse with a Vim plugin for development and a simple terminal with Vim for fucking around.

>>128047659
>buying software you could get for free
>buying software you could write yourself

>Also I am supporting a useful company
Good goy.

>>128047743
>You want to appear as smart, so please go ahead. I hope you convinced yourself.
I'm just giving you my opinion, fuckface.

>>128047510
Yeah, I feel ya.
Selling software products to the big pharma companies. I have become a marketing guy making sure that kids eat their god damn ritalin from the specific supplier (my customer). It's disgusting.

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None of you know any actual Computer Science.

Write a Regular Expression to detect a palindrome. I'll be waiting.

We are all using a website programmed in JavaScript, but some of us are pretending that programming is useless.

>>128048197
> I'm just giving you my opinion, fuckface.
> Java for web development and fast prototyping. C# for Unity gamedev.
I guess some people just want to give simplistic, wrong an stupid "opinions" and stick to them. But hey, not all people are capable of a dialogue with intentions to learn.

>>128048294
Wouldn't you need to storage to solve that problem?

>>128038743
Freecodecamp is very solid

>>128036496
If you see someone writing code on a macbook then they're probably just larping with http://hackertyper.com/ open.

>>128048137
I'm still in college, but I have close to 6 years of Java and C++ experience by now. I'm also working at an eclipse plugin at my part time job.

>>128048294
The language of all palindromes over the alphabet Sigma is not within the domain of regular languages, therefore writing a regular expression that matches it.

>>128048765
What's wrong with Java for web development and prototyping, asshole? Refute my positions or stop calling names.

>>128036496
What language is most in demand?
On a scale of computer illiterate grandma to Terry Davis, how good do you need to be at it?

>>128048294

This was a question on one of my most recent exams actually.

Sigma = {0,1}

S => 0S0 | 1S1 | 1 | 0

although it's a CFG, not a RegEx

>>128048974
>therefore writing a regular expression that matches it.
*therefore writing a regular expression that matches it is not possible

>>128049019
It's a trick question, because the language is not regular.

>>128048294
> "^a[ ]palindrome$"

You got more?

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>>128049174
>he thinks regex and regular expressions are the same thing

>>128049168

I know, you could do it with PDAs though

>>128048974
What's your IQ?

>>128047425
lmao

>>128047425
that part gets hot

>>128036496
>sitting behind a desk all day typing into a computer

Is there anything more beta numale?

>>128049290
A PDA is more powerful than a regular automaton. The point is that it's not regular.

>>128049307
My mom had a test done when I was little. It's around 120 something, with 140 in one area, I believe. But I wouldn't know. Didn't look at the results first hand.

>>128049642
Not too different from browsing 4chin all day long, is it, leaf?

>>128045566
What the fuck are you even supposed to use assembly for? It's a dead language for compilers.

Hello and welcome to I can hire 10 shitskins that code better and faster than you for half of what you make. Your sperg powers are no match.

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>>128049005

>>128036496
>code
I fucking hate this more than apps

>>128048974
Java is slower because it needs a VM to run. Java's lambda syntax is ugly and most people never use them. Javascript is the language you will be using in the browser so using JavaScript on the backend will allow you to write isomorphic code. I.e. You can use reactjs on the front end and also on the backend. If a users browser doesn't support push state then the rendering can fallback to the server, and you don't need to write the rendering code twice.

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>>128049714
You could also just look at this pic - and learn something just now about yourself.

>>128044068
Interesting, I dare you say I might have considered doing a think

>>128049266
No, he literally found the word using a regular expression.

Silicon valley is pushing this meme to devalue the cost of labor.

If the meme succeeds and every child learns the skill in elementary middle school programmers will be as underpaid and replaceable as fast food workers.

>>128036496
I can tell you what skills will be important in the future and it certainly won't be coding. Buy some land, becone self sufficient, it could save your life.

>>128049714
all zee smart germans died in the warm you are the leftover cowards

Ya know who else is going to be able to do coding?...robots.

Buh Bye.

>>128049716
virus are programmed in assembly

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>>128049716
section .text
global _runnin
_runnin:
mov ecx, 1

tha_game_plan:
push ecx

xor dx, dx
mov ax, cx
mov bx, 15
div bx
cmp dx, 0
jz kfc_fried_chicken

xor dx, dx
mov ax, cx
mov bx, 3
div bx
cmp dx, 0
jz mcdonalds_fried_chicken

xor dx, dx
mov ax, cx
mov bx, 5
div bx
cmp dx, 0
jz popeyes_chicken

mov eax, ecx
call matematics_n_sheet
jmp bangin

kfc_fried_chicken:
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov ecx, fizzbuzz
mov edx, 11
int 0x80
jmp bangin

mcdonalds_fried_chicken:
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov ecx, fizz
mov edx, 6
int 0x80
jmp bangin

>>128046072
>java

Save the trouble and learn Python instead.

>>128049836
We make 2x more than other nations programmers. Feels good. Also we have trump to stop the excess supply from lowering our wages too much

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>>128049716
popeyes_chicken:
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov ecx, buzz
mov edx, 6
int 0x80
jmp bangin

bangin:
pop ecx
cmp ecx, 100
jz white_cracka_cops
inc ecx
jmp tha_game_plan

white_cracka_cops:
mov eax, 1
mov ebx, 0
int 0x80

matematics_n_sheet:
push esi
mov esi, 0

pythagorean_remainder_sheet:
mov edx, 0
mov ebx, 10
div ebx
add edx, 48
push edx
inc esi
cmp eax, 0
je benjamin_stack_frontage
jmp pythagorean_remainder_sheet

benjamin_stack_frontage:
cmp esi, 0
je whack
dec esi
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov edx, 1
mov ecx, esp
int 0x80
add esp, 4
jmp benjamin_stack_frontage

whack:
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov ecx, nl
mov edx, 1
int 0x80
pop esi
ret

section .data
fizz dw „Fizz", 0Ah, 0Dh
buzz dw „Buzz", 0Ah, 0Dh
fizzbuzz dw „Fizz Buzz", 0Ah, 0Dh
nl dw 0Ah, 0Dh
section .bss

>>128038743
Started on there a few days ago. What's wrong with it? Am I wasting my time?

>>128049836
lol, good luck with the program they "code"

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>>128036496
how do i into coding

>>128050241
What about the German Jews that fled Germany and created the nuke before the "smarter" Germans?

>>128050552
yes, go read a book and practise

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>>128049174

>>128049716
>What the fuck are you even supposed to use assembly for? It's a dead language

this utter ignorance

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>>128049019
>>128048974
>>128048294
>>128049174
White bois have a whack ass grip on tha Theory of Kangputation. These white ass crackas be tryin to do their perljizzle and pythonnnn whack ass graming to try to implement yo straight up question.

What dese whack ass crackas fail to undastand and why des white crackas ain't no grammers is that accordin to da theory of computing a regular xpression gotta be writable as what dose white geeks call a finite state atomic machine shit.

The thang is dat atomic machine shit is FINITE as in not universal or foreva. You kangt have inifinite stacks up in that bitch. So fo a lil palindome like "wewuzuwew" u make da machine like

aight -> w -> e -> w -> u -> z -> u -> w -> e -> w -> BANGING

than u gotz to add

aight -> w -> e -> w -> u -> z -> u -> w -> e -> (entire alphabet witout dat w) -> SHEEET

If yo build dis finite atom and boot up dis bitch and plug in "wewuzuwew" you get "BANGING" and yo ass just KNOW yo got a palindome

But if you get SHEEET, you played yoself boi

Noaw we got probs if we try to build dis bitch for ALL palindomes, and dem muthafuckas be INFINITE.

Ain't possible homeboi cuz dat shit is FINIT.

So yo white ass crackas, pay mo attention in yo Theory of Kangputation and stay da fuck outta tha KANG profession.

>>128050720
What projects are you currently working on? Just curious.

>>128050109
THIS

For Facebook and Microsoft to meme this tells so much.

>>128038743
>>128050552
I want to know, why I shouldn't use codeacademy ? Is there a legitimate reason or is it just a preference ?

>>128049716
Reverse engineering other applications of course. Also there are things in x86 assembly that would take several lines in C. Compiler intrinsics are ugly as shit, so I just write that shit directly. I also like being as close to the hardware as I can. Just for fun.

>>128049886
>Java is slower because it needs a VM to run.
Retard detected. If Java had manual memory management it could keep up with C++. Do you even know what a just in time compiler actually does? Do you realize that a VM isn't just an interpreter?

>Javascript is the language you will be using in the browser so using JavaScript on the backend will allow you to write isomorphic code.
Oh god. Please fuck off to your local starbucks, you webdev scum. Java Script is a language designed and 10 days and the only reason it's everywhere is because even a literal retard could use it, which is why the field is now flooded with SJWs and beta numales. It's the worst thing to ever happen to programming. I bet you also think Atom is good software. Not to mention, js is as good as dead once web assembly becomes the new standard. Can't wait for all these hacks to lose their jobs.

>>128050059
That's not a regular expression. Regex is a superset of regular expressions and not even properly defined.

>>128050015
You brought up IQ, I didn't. I never said "look how smart I am". All I ever did was stating my opinions. Stop projecting.

>>128050367
Python sucks. It's a nice scripting language, but it's dogshit for actual software. Syntax is nasty too.

>>128051157
Learning how to write real software is still hard. All those poos and women are just capable of writing Java, js and python. Real developers will never be replaced by these mac job workers.

>>128051157
We do have a shortage of computer programmers and I'd rather teach Americans how to code than import others and ignore our own citizens

>>128050910

Daily reminder Ada Lovelace was black.

White women BTFO

>>128050910
lmao pls create a language using nigga speech

>>128050979
That's private

>>128045275
A bad(?) analogy would be:

Someone moving their furniture around inside their house is not a home builder / architect / construction worker. They're a home designer.

Just like someone making a web page is not a programmer. They're just moving pre-built pieces around inside the walls created by the programmers.

>getting a job in unemploying people
No thanks

>>128051392
i agree. what language apart from C, PHP and assembly do you recomend the aspirant to real programmer?

>>128036496
Dude...you can't even change a flat tire...cook a meal with store bought ingredients...
What do you do if the power is out for an extended period of time, and your elevator to your apt won't work...
Ya gonna call 911 to get it fixed?

>>128045615

>t. Nick Land

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i used to think i was cool for learning coding

then i realized its for faggot freaks mark zuckerburgs of the world

keep ur coding to urself

>coding
As a CS guy, this word triggers me to no end.

I think it's only because the only people who use it are SJWs and people who want "diversity" in tech.

>>128051718
That's true if they are using Wordpress or something like that, but if someone programs a website then they programmed it. JavaScript is a programming language.

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I can code, I'm currently stacking bags in a warehouse.

I got laid off my last developer job after making a key piece of server software about 300x faster because my position had been "eliminated" by my pathetic coworkers who weaved a fog of bullshit every week to feed upper management so that they could keep their jobs.

I'm actually kind of enjoying manual labour though, at least I get free exercise

>>128052010
Dude, I sincerely hope you are joking, when you show interest in his "advise" and "opinions". Everything he says is basically wrong.

I got my Comp Science master 5 years ago, please trust me for your own sake.

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fuck school bitchnigger

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>>128049716
>written in 95% x86 asm

>>128052480
I've been laid off before. I got a huge severance, then got the first job I applied for and made 40k more.

>>128052480
> oh i believe Bergen-Belsen also offers free excercise. They also have 6 million openings this season

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>>128044068

>>128052285
Zuckerberg stole the source code after being hired to design a website

>>128052568
He said something about web assembly and I hadn't heard of it before. He was wrong about what it was, but I still learned something from him

>>128052568
wtf, you cant go wrong with knowing C and assembly, its basically the building blocks of software.
The programmers who know how the machine works exactly at low level will always program better and can pick up any language.
Thats why it took you a 5 year degree to have any idea, while there are 17 yo kids hacking into banks and corps.

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>>128052623
KEK it's "nigga" what are you a fucking downie or something?

>>128051718
>>128052470
I'm too tired to join this, but in your example, you become a "designer", when you reorganize.

You could say that programming is both reorganizing (and reusing existing functionality) and creating new one. So I guess we are both designers and programmers

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>mechanical engineer
>chink on mongolian weaving forums telling me im dumdum if i cant code in chingchong
:(

>>128036496
>Coding
>Most important

And this is why there are numales around

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>>128052285
>don't educate yourself and develop things your peers will use
>sit back and let us run things, goyim

>>128038743
There is a bunch of them on coursera
This one's pretty good and it started just recently
https://www.coursera.org/learn/interactive-python-1#syllabus

>>128052793

I got a nice severance as well, the problem is that I live in a rural and suburban retard area where these kind of jobs are extremely rare.

I'd have to move within reasonable commute distance of a shithole like Toronto where all the developer jobs are and I think I'd rather go freelance or entreprenurial

>>128053017
I had my expectations too high for you, anon.

Going to college soon. Which is better? cnc machining or coding? which is harder?

Accounting student here. Is it a good idea to major in accounting or should I transition to computer science?

>>128053498
nice rebute, fag

i doubt you can program for shit anyway

>>128053126
A distinction can be made between an architect and a programmer. An architect can build an entire system and a programmer might only be able to add to a system that's already been designed.

>>128044527
wow sweet credentials, 21 year old college student. I look up to and strive to achieve your status in life.

>>128052010
Forget PHP. It's dead and buried. If you are serious about vidja or operating system development there is no way around C++ I'm afraid. Knowing C++ and Java will probably cover most real life use cases, but you should try to branch out into other paradigms. Take a look at functional programing with things like Lisp. It will give you a completely different perspective and change the way you will think about programing forever, even though it's impractical. My general advice is to learn established shit like C, C++, Java and C#. There are not going anywhere any time soon. Try to avoid FOTM memes like Rust, Go and Swift. Also avoid JS like the plague.

Most importantly, don't listen to this webdev shill >>128052568 The entire web stack is awful and thanks to web assembly a lot of shit is going to change. Modern HTML is awful and js is a complete joke. Frontend webdev is for replaceable poojeets and SJWs. Degrees are worthless for asserting skill. They are only the piece of paper that you need to get the HR kikes to even take you seriously.

>>128053017
Don't listen to him. He is a webdev. They are literally subhuman. I don't think he could even write a HTML parser without some sort of regex engine or pattern matcher.

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>>128053324
you havnt developed anything people use and any random pajeet can make whatever you want for 2$ an hour

its not meaningful

>>128053469
I bought a house out of the city that I visit on weekends and I have a small apartment in the city. Once I have my house paid off I'm thinking about going freelance.

>>128053623
Have no idea about your situation or what you are aiming for in life, but my brother is chief in some kind of accounting warehouse, and he has for the last years spend a lot of time learning to program for the simple reason that it provides him with powerful tools in his job.

I mean, programming - in essence - just means instructing the computer to do whatever you want it to do. And having an instrument that can perform those 10^9 calculations per second, show it on your screen and communicate it to the rest of the world, you have a lot of potential just hone at your own computer. But you are limited to your ability to give the correct instructions - that is, your programming abilities.

>>128047281

How lucrative is this? I was thinking about setting up shop and selling chotchkies at the farmers market for sidebux.

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>>128049005

>>128036496
I rather have a man's job and not be a virgin

>>128036929

This tbqh.

>>128036496
pls no, seriously
we already have enough coding monkeys
if you can't describe short string optimization or check if a CNF formula is satisfiable you have no place in that line of work

>>128049005
Don't ever listen to >>128054871. The TIOBE index is just a meme. Note that it's percentage, not actual volume. This is not a zero sum game.

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>>128036496

>Jobs for programming are declining
>Here's why it's important that you know how to code

>>128055275

That should be fairly obvious to anyone with a brain, it's a rough guide you autist

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>>128036496
Jobs won't exist soon.

>>128022215
>>128022215
>>128022215

>>128036496
Yeah, and don't forget graphic design so you can make banners and bejeweled rip-offs for living.

>>128048894
As I sit here writing Swift on my Mac

>>128055642
>That should be fairly obvious to anyone with a brain
We're talking about /pol/ here.

>>128036496
Try to code your food or water. I'll wait.

>>128053618
Coding you can learn without some shit school and you can get licensed just by taking tests. There are plenty of free online courses, guides, tutorials, blogs, forums, etc resources for you to use.

Make sure to take notes, seriously. You're going to want a reference for key words, formatting help, and a debug checklist.

I'm neurotypical so I can't code.

What do?

>>128036496
I wrote my first program in 1997-1998 in turbo Pascal, it was a deltree *.* masquerading as an antivirus.
>t. master socratic troll

>>128055944
Install gentoo. Or just watch some TempleOS videos. Autism is contagious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyvwpRNWWfA

Things normies should learn:

- VBA scripting for office / Excel
- some automation scripting like AHK
- python for advanced scripting

Learning to program is nothing for the masses.

>>128055873
>try to carpent/draw/solder/metalwork/... your food or water, I'll wait
what a retarded argument is that?

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>>128055944
GET OFF MY BOARD NORMIE

>>128036496

Can you code with a bullet in your skull though, you stupid maple nigger?

>>128051339
Its about 1 inch deep in the mile-thick layer that is useful programming. The examples are also goofy abstract garbage. Contrary to popular belief, moving "foo" and "bar" around is not a good way to simulate maintaining a payroll application backend.

>>128038743
http://www.cplusplus.com
GET WORKING. NOW.

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>>128051392
>js is as good as dead once web assembly becomes the new standard

>>128056820
I know, what an idiot. Java applets are going to be the thing that replaces JavaScript in the web

cd..
cd .
cd.
ls
cd..

>>128056877
//2017
//still using comments

which first language would u recommend and why?

>>128057312
/**
* @noob
*
*/

>>128053469
Same but with 3D/VFX.
Had I known that entire industry was so Liberal that being Center looks like Stalin, I never would've aimed for it.
The upside is they all want to make Vidya or movies (not houses, cars, etc).

Toronto sucks, nothing but Browns and it's only getting darker.
Ironically immigrants are right wing, the freaks and weirdos are all downtown (old Toronto). It still weirds me out.

>>128057342
Basic, C++, Java/script, PHP, Python, and/or maybe Swift if you are a gay.

>>128049836
>I can hire 10 shitskins
>that code better
>and faster
you get your pick of two.

>>128057547
if you need to use comments you literally have ADHD

>>128057342
C++

>>128056820
It's true. The only reason js spread like wildfire is because the web did and you couldn't write web front-ends without js. The current draft of webasm doesn't support manipulating the DOM directly, or calling vulkan, but this is inevitable. Once that happens actual developers who loathe js and everything associated with it, will start developing frontends that runs a million times faster than js meme code. Once that happens, fronted babies will be out of a job or forced to learn a real programing language.

>>128057089
Keep laughing. By 2025 your skills will be deprecated.

>>128057342
Java or lua. Never learn C++ as your first. It's probably the most complex and tedious language in use.

>>128057342
Java because school use that as a starting language so there are a lot of noob tutorials that you can follow in java. Also java is strongly typed which will help you understand the difference between data types.

>>128036496
Just a reminder:
"Coding" isn't a fucking thing.
If you refer to learning a programming language and using it to compile, test and execute programs as "Coding" or "to code", you are a subhuman and most likely a woman.

>>128050015
Goddamn, you're insufferable, I doubt you have friends.

thanks guys will look into both java and c++

>>128057856
>>128057859

hey friend did you try J++

>>128057795
Auto generated API docs are a nice thing though.

>>128057925
Because

>Hey Anon, what do you do?
"I compile and execute programmable languages" is so much more palatable.

>>128058058
It's a cool concept, but it died long before my time.

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>>128054034
Good goy! That's the spirit.

>>128051514
https://esolangs.org/wiki/Chicken

future functionality to include
>muhdick
>kangz
>gibs
>rayciss
>sheit

as soon as they can handle octal. maybe in a few more years we will find one to expand to hexadecimal

>>128058186
ahh one who remembers

>>128057859
My current skills will be deprecated in about 1 year. Good thing I keep learning new things everyday

>>128058046
>java
Are you literally an indian pajeet?

Do you even know what using java is like?
Here's what java's like:
imagine that you're a scientist creating a new set of species, but you end up creating an abhorrent Frankenstein every single time, and the only way to fix it is to ask other pajeets to fix it for you

>>128058105
Maybe he doesn't have any normal friends

>>128058261
chicken ?
>shicken

as in a shiken sandwich
> which sandwich ?

>>128058324
Why do you cling to js like a beta cuck to his abusive gf then?

>>128058450
At least Java is nice to debug.

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>>128036496
coding is for niggers

it will be useless once ai can translate spoken word into code, 10 years or less

>>128058105
How about not being an autist and just saying "I write code" or "I'm a programmer".

Anyone who says "I code" or "do you code?" is automatically assumed to be of lower intelligence. Get back to your overpriced code boot camp and finish your html coding lessons.

>>128058603
Indian detected

>>128057342
JAVA

>>128058673
A literal sandnigger is calling me pajeet. Cute. How about you stop sending rapists into my native lands?

>>128058633
Yeah because you will no longer have to learn the language in order to speak it, right?

>>128057860
Stanford just switched from java to javascript as the intro language. Moving to more frontend web based languages, which are the future.

Anything other than C# and C++ is for dumb faggots who don't know what they're doing.

>>128036496
>world gets into wars for supplies
>tfw cant make a java code that gives you water and food

>>128058968

>C#

fuck off steve ballmer

>>128058873
I'll stop when you stop using shit languages, pajeet

>>128059127
I'll take "Dead Programming Languages" for $200, Alex.

>>128058603
I'm not the one who made JavaScript the programming language of the browser. With ES6 JavaScript is becoming a much nicer language, but if web asm is going to take over then I'll focus on that.

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>>128057795
>going through legacy code
>it has no comments

>>128058967
With web assembly EVERYTHING BECOMES A FRONTEND LANGUAGE, YOU FUCKING CURRYNIGGER.

>>128059277
Does ES6 support actual integers? Or multi-treading?

>>128058968
>C#
topkek

>>128049716
>Dead language for compilers.
Holy fuck, that is ignorant.
That's just fundamentally wrong.

>>128058968
I agree, but that doesn't stop my company from paying me $150k/year to diddle with VBA Excel macros. Trick is to stay out of the engineering departments and hang out on the business side.

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>>128059397
yes but with machine assembler, everything returns to its source

>>128059127
>>128059249
>>128059488
I'll be honest bros. I fucking love visual studio. C# is fast and easier to learn than C++. If you really want SPEED you can always go up to C++.

>>128036929
This. It's more micromanaging other people than writing code anyway.

>>128036496
after a year of being unemployed, I finally have a job interview next week for a gameplay programmer (C++) position at a small but profitable game studio. I passed the phone screen and now they're flying me out and paying for my air fare, hotel, and rental car. I'm a self-taught programmer who didn't finish college but has about a decade more practical experience than your average CS grad—this is the break I badly need.

wish me luck guys :)

>>128059796
>C# is fast and easier to learn than C++
Only if you're a brainlet.

>>128059397
literally who

>>128059871
Shut the fuck up, hans. You don't know shit. You fucking germans are an embarrassment.

>>128059860

Well you'll work for less and less likely to turnover so you got that going for you I guess. Good luck.

>>128059796

Maybe I'll check it out

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>>128058633
>>128058909
*smacks lips*
we needz more of dem RAD programz
FL Studio sequencer export to webassembly when?
Mask on, fuckin mask off XD

>>128059871
What about Go!?

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>>128059796
>literally hurting yourself and wasting time with C#
If you're so eager to be NSA/Gates/Globalists butt boy, have at it. Fucking idiots.

>>128060028
C# is a shittier version of Java. Either go with Java if you don't want to deal with the horrors of C++ or man up and write C++. There is no need for C#.

>>128060168
FOTM meme. Could take off, but I don't think it ever will. Once C++ adds modules and reflection support there will no longer be any need for a "c but better" language.

>>128036496
>Computer programming jobs declines
>Still most important

Please don't fall for this crap.

>>128060169
I can't believe c# doesn't have wrappers for primitives.

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>>128060169
Pic related. I sure hope you're posting from tor too famalam.

>>128060377
>C# is a shittier version of Java.

hans, are you retarded? You clearly know nothing about the languages.

Too many subhumans and sjws joining the field.

>>128060377
We'll once c is improved then it should take back more market share. Do you think they'll remove the ability to put threads to sleep and move to a purely event driven model like JavaScript someday?

it guy with 20+years of expertise here.

python is my weapon of choice, doing it since 2002. I used, c, java (yuck), perl, php, and pascal + basic back in the 90s

python 3.6 is great

>>128060380
>decline
>not being exported to india to retard code monkeys

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>>128060624
Keep sucking globalist MicroDick if that's what makes you happy. I'll keep warning others about you globalist cretins.

When mods, and the userbase can no longer recognize shill via divide-and-conquer it's time to find more sources of intellect, people...

>>128045601
I've been using Codingbat recently and its excellent. I'd reccomend to anyone looking to refresh and practice basic Java/python skills

>>128060624
I've been writing Java since 2011 and I got into C# in 2014 and 2015, before realizing how shit it is.

>>128060767
>Do you think they'll remove the ability to put threads to sleep and move to a purely event driven model like JavaScript someday?
Are you fucking insane?

>>128038743
Gentoo

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I know GML.

>>128060998
So you're just nostalgic about your first shitty language. hans pls.

>>128046072
>Eclipse
Why do you do this to beginners, Germany?

>>128058968
C

>>128061488
C is a fedora language

>>128061389
It's pretty beginner friendly, because it tells you what you did wrong in real time and is even able to automatically fix things for you.

>>128061296
I hate Java. The JVM is nice, but the actual language is a pile of shit. Unfortunately there is no adequate replacement for it. There is no other language which provides such high levels of productivity at near C++ performance. If it had manual memory management and zero overhead native calls it would be god tier.

>>128061389
fuck eclipse, and java in general.

>>128060998
Give me an example of using sleep that couldn't be more efficiently handled by an event listener. As you may know, sleep blocks the thread

>>128036496

>be a MAN who builds very expensive things that make drugs for all you faggots to ingest.

>only computer time is 4chan, porn, booking expensive trips.

Coding is for limp wristed faggots who have no practical skill in life. Go back to watching your wife's boyfriends fuck her while you program Reddit or Tumblr or some shit.

>>128061868
hans stop. Java is trash and not good for any large applications. It's good for shitting out a little number cruncher.

>>128036496
10 PRINT "REEEEEEEEEEEE"
20 GOTO 10
RUN
REE EEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEE EEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEE
REEE EEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEE EEEE
REE EEEEEEEEE
REE EEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEE EEE
RE EEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEE EEEEE
.............................

>>128036730
FPBP

>>128061963
You could just write an even listener / dispatcher in C. What does sleep() have to do with any of this?

>>128062116
The literal opposite is true. Also I have to mention that I'm a C++ fag and that I think manage languages like Java and C# are for poojeets.

>>128036496
what are coders?
i know scriptkiddies and programmers

>>128062151
basic bitches didnt see it coming

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>>128041548
Ah ha ha hahahahahahhah, no.

The job is cool sometimes, but can suck pretty hard and I had the luck of working on some high profile projects. I can't even imagine what must feel like to work on some soul crushing "customize this CRM" project.

>>128061868
>There is no other language which provides such high levels of productivity at near C++ performance.
What is C#

>If it had manual memory management and zero overhead native calls it would be god tier.
C. Also maybe Rust, but I haven't tried it enough to call it yet.

>>128061902
>fuck java
Yea, fuck having any job prospects

>>128036496
I can code and I didn't even attend college for it. You can literally learn all about coding by youtubing some lectures, read some books (kind of outdated, but you get the basics), or simply participate in coding communities.

Why do people make such a big deal out of coding? Everyone can do it, its just boring as fuck and stressful to do.

>>128062615
>Yea, fuck having any job prospects
implying the whole world only uses java

try again, cowboy

>>128041548
/nod
highschool dropout software architect few 100k ;)

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Grasshoppers code
Masters manage

Why do I need to know how to code? If everyone knows I can just give my local Starbucks masters degree holder 5 dollars to code whatever I want

>>128062565
He said if you have a high IQ. Still might be exciting for low IQ people to work on a CMS

>>128062747
TRIGGERED

>>128050015
>That pic

But my scepticism is what pushes me to keep learning in an eternal paranoid pursuit of safety

>>128062894
Why do I make more money than my PM?

>>128036496

>Be coding. Power cuts off. Electrician hired to solve problem.

>Be coding. AC cuts off and my fat lard ass along with my pc are overheating. HVAC technician hired to solve problem.

>Be coding. Gotta shit. Shitter's broke. Plumber hired to solve problem.

>Be coding pc melts cuz apparently i cant have Java and Reddit open at the same time. Hardware guy comes in and solve the problem.

>Be coding. Car cant support my 2 ton figure. Mechanic solves the problem.

JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER!, all coders are fat fucking worthless sacks of arrogant narcissistic shit who don't know and cant comprehend any basic life skills other than slashes and dots.

>>128041548
I make more than you and I'm a cheff at Wendy's

>>128062813
Remember, we're talking about people trying to get into the industry, not people who are already there looking to move to something better. Most entry-level stuff is either in Java or some bullshit web language like Angular, you're not gonna get very far on just C or whatever is the flavor language of the month on /g/ these dayas

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>>128063145
>he doesnt know basic electricity
>He doesnt know HVAC
>He cant into pipes
>He cant into hardware
>Falling for the wheeled jew

cuck